Child-Marriage and Pedophilia in Muslim Societies: Will It Come To an End
In my previous article, I have mentioned that aged and wealthy Arabs from the Gulf countries come to India, mainly to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, to prey on teenage girls, by paying fat cash as dowry to their parents. They generally enter into temporary marriage contracts (Mutah) and return home after a brief stay. In January, 2007, a 60 year old Arab married 3 girls, Afreen, Farheena and Sultana, at a single sitting (within ten minutes), in Hyderabad.
In another incident in May 2004, an old man called Muhammad Zafer Yaqub Hassan al-Jorani came from Sharjah to Hyderabad to undergo a cataract operation. On May 7, he married Haseena Begum, a 19 year old girl and after two days he divorced her. On May 24, he married another 16 year old girl Ruksana Begum. Haseena, ignoring even threat to her life, went to a local police station to narrate her story and within an hour police arrested Jorani. Police also arrested someone called Shamsuddin who was alleged to have played the role of a mediator and received a cash of Rs 40,000 from Jorani and handed over the money to the parents of Haseena as mehr. It is to be mentioned here that Jorani, at his Sharjah residence, had two wives and 11 children.
While commenting on these affairs, a reader wrote, “In child marriage of the other type, where young girl marries an old man, is prevalent in Muslim society in India. I am an ex-Muslim from India and such facts I have seen in my own eyes. I tried to alert police but was threatened by police themselves with dire consequences, even death, and so I kept quiet.
In various cities, where there are Muslim ghettos, this happens regularly. Muslims condemn prostitution but allow legal prostitution through temporary marriage or Mutah. Young girls of16-18-year-old are married to aged Arabs, for a stipulated period, simply for money. Mullahs make the old Arab and young girls sign nikahnama and talaknama at the same time.
Parents get money and send their daughter as a prostitute to the Arab to be raped. The Arab then divorces her after a stipulated time that may vary from a few hours to a few days. Things move fast because the next victim is waiting in the queue. Generally, beautiful girls are entered in the waiting list and many of them have to entertain their (temporary) rapist husbands every year. The month of Ramadan is busiest period of this business when many Indian girls are sent to Dubai and from Dubai to elsewhere, to be sexually assaulted by the Arabs, after Ramadan fasting.
Generally, the girls earns anywhere from Rs 15,000 to Rs 500,000, depending on the skill of the negotiator (middleman) and also on the beauty of the girl. If she happens to be a virgin, she earns a lot more, as Arabs are ready to spend fabulous money for a first time sex.
Now-a-days, there are plastic surgeons, I know, are earning lot from the pimps by turning the girls virgin again by attaching a layer of fresh skin to their private parts and thus making an artificial hymen. This happens repeatedly for many girls till she gets tired or fails to find a new (temporary) husband.
Local police, political leaders and NGOs get their share too and keep silence. I can even spell names of some people, who are involved in the racket. But my life is already under threat due to disclosing the truth about Islam. I also don’t want annoy the local police because they may just shoot me in a false encounter and get paid by the racket leaders. Such an incident happened earlier. This is, indeed, another horrible face of Islam.”
Another reader commented, “Dear old Muslims in the Middle East who are planning to marry a girl as young as 6 yrs old to be your bride, kindly let me have the honour to ask you a very simple question. Try imagining that the young 6-year-old bride whom you’re going to marry soon, is your daughter or granddaughter or great granddaughter or great-great granddaughter and that you are going to penetrate her very small vagina with your big xxxxx. Do you feel it nauseating or disgusting at the very thought of it? I believe that for those old Muslims who have some human conscience or fear of God will be kind enough to let all these young girls go.”
Another reader commented “I believe that for those old Muslims who have some human conscience or fear of God will be kind enough to let all these young girls go. As for those old Muslims who still can’t let all these young girls go because of their super strong sexual needs, may I suggest a much better option for you which could help satisfy all your sexual needs or cravings and that is, to go and buy a sex doll from any sex shop and sell all these erotic products. Don’t you think that your Allah will be pleased with my kind suggestion here which is better than destroying all those young innocent girls’ life? Thank you in advance for heeding my advice to give all these young innocent muslimahs a chance to live life to the fullest.”
In this context, it should be mentioned that, in Islam, there is no place for ethics, morality or conscience. Islamic morality is quite different and stands on two notions – Halal (permitted) and Haram (not permitted). To a sane non-Muslim individual, marrying a 6 or 8-year-old girl by an over 50 man, may appear to be highly immoral, unethical and vulgar. But to a Muslim, such an act is Halal, as Prophet Muhammad had done it. So, application of personal sense morality and ethics does not play any role. Whatever the Prophet did is Halal and every Muslim has the right to emulate the Prophet.
Another reader wrote, “These old wolfs who practice such disgusting acts by following their Prophet are wild animals. They don’t even deserve to live. These innocent young brides should be given some poison by their mothers which they can mix with some food and feed their wonderful husbands on the first night and finish them off. The Human Rights activists can defend them saying these children are minor and they do not know what they are doing. Even few years of jail sentence is much better than living with these animals. If more and more child-brides start rebelling by giving the due punishment to these animals, this cruel practice will vanish.”
Out of court settlement allows Saudi girl 8 to divorce 50 year old husband:
As mentioned in the previous article that a Saudi judge refused to terminate the marital bond between an 8-year-old girl and her 47-year-old husband. The girl’s father, according to the attorney, took US$13,000 from the man and arranged the marriage in order to settle his debts with him, who is also a close friend of his. On the other hand, the girl’s mother expressed her determination to fight the case and continue to seek daughter’s divorce.
An 8 year old Saudi Bride
According to a press report, appeared on April 30, 2009, from Hadeel Al-Shalchi of the Associated Press, the mother of the girl had been succeeded to obtain a divorce for her daughter through out of the court negotiation. “The girl was allowed to divorce the about 50-year-old man, whom she was married to by force, in August last year, and after an out-of-court settlement, a divorce could be obtained in the case”, said her lawyer, Abdulla al-Jeteli.
The reader may recall that a court in the central Oneiza region previously rejected a request by the girl’s mother for a divorce and ruled that the girl would have to wait until she reached puberty to file a petition. It has been mentioned earlier that there are no laws in Saudi Arabia defining the minimum age for marriage for girls. Though, according to the Shariah Law, a woman’s consent is legally required, most of the marriage officials don’t seek it.
One of the child-brides, who took part and married in mass wedding
Recently, due to increased social awakening, there has been a thrust by Saudi human rights groups to define the minimum age of marriage for girls and put an end to the shameful tradition of child marriage. Sohaila Zain al-Abdeen, one of the most renowned human rights activists in Saudi Arabia, was optimistic that the girl’s divorce would be an important precedence and help efforts to get a new law passed enforcing a minimum marriage age of 18 for the girls. “Unfortunately, some fathers trade their daughters. They are weak people who are sometimes in need of money and forget their roles as parents.” she told The Associated Press.
But it was not clear whether the husband got back the money, nearly 50,000 riyals, or about US$13,350, he paid to the father of the girl as dowry, the lawyer said.
This was not the only incident of marrying off an 8-year-old girl to an old man, in the kingdom that attracted public attention. Saudi newspapers have highlighted several cases in which young girls were married off to much older men. In one incident a 15-year-old girl, whose father serving prison terms with a death penalty, married her off to a cellmate.
An 8 yr old Yemeni girl forced to marry a man Nujood Ali, more than 3 times her age. He used to beat and rape the 8-year-old victim. Ultimately, she escaped, and found a human rights lawyer to help her get a divorce. Under Sharia Law, her husband received compensation from the family, and was never prosecuted. (See Videos – http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/forced-child-marriage-in-islam/)
Zahida Minhas, a 16-year old girl who was sold into a forced marriage by her mother. Somehow, she could escape her husband’s house. Now she is 9 months pregnant and living in a safe house. But as her delivery date approaches, she fears that her “husband” will find and kill her.
A 12-year old Muslim girl in Afghanistan fears for her life from the pedophile husband she was forced to marry. Her husband attacked her with a knife and injured her hand. She is seeking a divorce from her cruel and pedophile husband. There is, indeed, no end to these type incidents in the Muslim societies. And, in fact, Saudi Arabia is the main source inspiration for child-marriage and pedophilia in the world community of Muslims.
But it is good sign that Saudi Arabia has come under increasing criticism at home and abroad for permitting child marriages and pedophilia. The United States, a close ally of the conservative Muslim kingdom, has called child marriage a “clear and unacceptable” violation of human rights. But Saudi Arabia’s conservative Muslim clergy is opposing the drive to end child marriages. It has been mentioned earlier that in January, 2009, the kingdom’s most senior cleric said it was permissible for 10-year-old girls to marry and those who believe they are too young are doing injustice to the girl. “After all, Sharia Law has been ordained and hence cannot do injustice to women”, he said.
There is another ray of hope, Some in the Saudi government appear to support the movement to set a minimum age for marriage. The kingdom’s new justice minister was quoted in mid-April as saying that the government was carrying out a study on underage marriage that would include regulations.
But there are no statistical data to show how many marriages involving children are performed in Saudi Arabia every year. Activists say the girls are given away in return for hefty marriage dowry or as a result of long-standing custom in which a father promises his infant daughters and sons to cousins out of a belief that marriage will protect them from illicit relationships.
It has been mentioned earlier that there are no laws in Saudi Arabia defining the minimum age for marriage for girls and according to the Saudi clerics, one can enter into a marriage contract even with 1-year-old girl. Though a woman’s consent is legally required, most of the marriage officials, called ma’thoons do not seek it. Only these ma’thoons have the legal authority to preside over marriage contract ceremonies. They seek consent of the groom and the woman’s guardian and if they approve of the marriage, the ma’thoon proceeds to complete the ceremony by signing the marriage papers. But, as stated above, the Saudi government does not keep any statistical record to show how many Saudi children are married off per year, which it can easily do by collecting data from these ma’thoons.
Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Asheikh, the Kingdom's grand mufti Says, “It's an injustice to NOT marry girls aged 10”.
Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Asheikh, the Kingdom’s grand mufti
Says, “It’s an injustice to NOT marry girls aged 10”.
In this context it may be mentioned that the Arabic word “nikah” does not mean what the word marriage stands for. According to Mohammad Asghar, the word “nikah” has been derived from “nokh”, which refers to woman’s vagina and hence the word “nikah” stands for penetration of woman’s vagina (see: The Meaning of Nikah in Islam).
Child marriage that sparked uproar in Saudi Arabia:
According to a news appeared on August 6, 2008, in the Riyadh based dailies Al-Watan and. Al-Harbi, a nikah between an 11-year-old boy Muhammad al-Rashidi and a 10-year-old girl has been declared by Muraiziq al-Rashidi, the groom’s father. But the ceremony has been strongly opposed by the governor of the northern province of Hail, who considered the elementary school student too young to marry. Opposition has also came from some human rights groups.
“We are studying this issue so we can put an end to this phenomenon,” said Zuhair al-Harithi, board member of the Human Rights Commission, a human rights group run by the government. “These marriages violate international agreements the kingdom has signed”, he said. Though the incident created a stir in the kingdom, Sheik Muhammad al-Nujaimi, a strong opponent of child marriage, said, “But the phenomenon is not new.” He and other clerics, activists and writers have requested the government for issuing a new law setting a minimum age for marriage and to resolve differences among religious authorities over the issue. “There are different (religious) opinions regarding such marriages, which is why we need the government to settle the issue through a new legislation,” said al-Nujaimi.
Activists say that incidents of this kind of marriage between a young girl and a young boy are not so high in Saudi Arabia. These are the result of long-standing custom in which a father promises his infant daughters and sons to cousins out of a belief that such a marriage will protect them from illicit relationships. Muraiziq al-Rashidi, the father of the 11-year-old boy’s said he may delay but not cancel his son’s marriage. “God willing, we will hold the wedding next year,” he said. It has been pointed out earlier that, Ahmad Al-Muabi, a marriage official, defended the practice of child marriage by saying that, “A man can enter into a marriage contract even with a one-year-old girl, not to mention nine years, seven years or eight years. This is just a contract indicating consent.”
(http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/23/saudi.arabia.child.marriage/index.html and http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Marriage-between-11-year-old-boy-and-10-year-old-girl-puts-the-spotlight-on-child-marriage-12953.html )
However, In the midst of total darkness, one finds a ray of hope in two incidents, which are discussed below.
An old man marrying a child bride in Saudi Arabia
A 12-year-old Module body
Girl divorces her 80-year-old husband:
On April 23, 2010, The Telegraph, London, reported that, on the previous day a 12-year-old Saudi girl successfully won a divorce from her 80-year-old husband. The incident sparked wide uproar in Saudi Arabia to abolish the shameful tradition of child marriage. Many believe that it could prompt the Saudi Government to enact a new law fixing the minimum age for marriage for girls.
The girl was 11 when she was married, against her wishes, to her father’s cousin last year in an arranged marriage in her hometown of Buraidah, near the Saudi capital of Riyadh. The Telegraph reported that her father was paid US $23,350 as dowry by the groom.
The girl, with the help of a lawyer from the state-run Human Rights Commission, has been trying to get out of the marriage and took her case to court in Buraidah. She recently reached an agreement with her family, and the divorce will be settled privately rather than in the courts, The Telegraph reported.
Though it is common in poorer, tribal areas for girls to be married off, or sold at a fabulous bride price, however, it is rare for a child bride to challenge the match in the court. The case has prompted the Human Rights Commission to call for a legal minimum age of 16 for marrying off girls in the kingdom. The commission and the Ministry of Justice will issue new guidelines after hearing from medical experts, child psychologists and scholars of Islamic law.
On the other hand, The case has been hotly debated in Saudi Arabia, with some judges and clerics citing the Prophet Muhammad’s marriage to a 9-year-old as justification for child brides. However, Sheikh Abdullah al-Mane, a senior Saudi cleric, earlier this year slammed the comparison, saying the prophet’s marriage occurred centuries ago and could not be used to justify marriages today.
The best thing for the Arabs would be to abandon child marriage along with the abandonment of the Prophet of Islam, who is the fountainhead of this vulgar legacy. “The main aim is to not allow cases like this to happen again,” said Alanoud al-Hejailan, a lawyer for the commission, to The Telegraph. “There will be some opposition, of course, but we feel that public opinion has changed on this issue. We want to gather all the public support we can for a minimum age for marriage”, said al-Hejailan. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36717454/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/)
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A poster used by the human rights groups in their campaign against child marriage
marriage:
slamic Voice (IV) is a Bangalore based monthly. This year’s (2010 AD) February edition IV carried a startling news that said, “Sheikh Abdullah Al-Mane’, a member of the Board of Senior Ulema and an Advisor to the Royal Court in Saudi Arabia, has said that ‘Holy Prophet’s Marriage with Ayesha (RA) cannot be a precedence’. Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) marriage to Ayesha when she was nine years old cannot be used as justification for child marriage today due to the “different circumstances” of the time, said a news report in the Jeddah based Saudi Gazette.”
“According to Sheikh Al-Mane’, when Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) was contemplating marrying off his daughter he was unable to find anyone better than the Prophet (pbuh). It is impossible to use the marriage of Ayesha, the ‘Mother of Believers’ (May Allah be pleased with her) as a measure for child marriage because of the incompatibility of the conditions and circumstances,” Sheikh Al-Mane’ said”, the news continued.
Today, child marriage is an issue that has come to the fore in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, particularly after the incident in which a 12-year-old girl successfully divorced her 80-year-old husband in Buraidah, as discussed above. “A court in Qassim is scheduled to look into the case on Monday, while the Human
Rights Commission has also set up a Shariah specialist team to investigate and meet with the marriage official who conducted the marriage rites”, report said.
The report also said that, “Sheikh Al-Mane urged scholars and preachers to take responsibility in making parents aware of the social and mental damage caused by the marriage of minors.”
“It is a grave error to burden a child with responsibilities beyond her years,” the Sheikh said. “Marriage should be put off until the wife is of a mentally and physically mature age and can care for both herself and her family,” he added. “We need a law banning and preventing the marriage of under-18s,” said Mufleh Al-Qahtani, Chairman of the National Society for Human Rights, which has taken part in drawing up a law to protect children and is pushing for its legal approval. (http://islamicvoice.com/February2010/)
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Some time ago, a Muslim man told me'you need Islam to illegalize prostitution and homosexuality".
My answer was that most if not all of our States prohib prostitution. But, in Islam prostitution is legal, even with young children, which is a crime in the West.
"zwag el Muttah" is very popular in Islam where a man get in to a "nekah" agreement with an adult woman or with a child's gaurdian to have the female for a specific period from 1 hour to few years. He pays an agreable su of money to consume the agreement. This is just one of many tipes of what they call 'marriages', but they are pure sex contracts.
by, the way the exact translation of "nekan' is the four letter F— word. "el mutah" means pleasure.
As of the homosexual, Mohammad had sex with young boys. The Koran promise the terrorists when they die in action with 72 perpetual virgins and boys and rivers of wine.
As I keep saying ISLAM IS CRIMINAL
muhammad the pedophile is the beloved fake prophet and example of every male muslim.
sick………………
To : Dr. Brahm
Thank you Sir for this article
Yes, in Arabic, "Nikah" has a sexual meaning. In slang, it means "to F**", pardon my language. Nikah is a "Fusha"(written arabic) word to mean "Intercourse" or "sexual intercourse" if you prefer.
To: ronyvo
Hello brother. I have a question. You mention in your posting that Muhammad had sex with young boys. I have not seen evidence from Qur'an, Hadith, or Sirat to attest to that. Can you please provide me a reference for you claim. thank you.
Islam is a sick and evil religion.
Even if they pass a law raising the minimum age to 18 for the girls to marry, how are they going to prevent a 80 or 90 year old maniac (who will be marrying for the 100th time) from marrying a 18 year old girl? The only solace the girl could get is, if he dies soon because of his age or illness, she could get her portion of his riches and marry some one else of her choice later. What a way to live! It is too sickening! And we, the people with free thinking can not even imagine this!
Dear Author,
I think the picture of “A mass child marriage ceremony in Gaza, sponsored HAMAS,on July 30, 2009” was a bit misleading, as it appeared on this site before and later taken off, as they are only bride’s companion, can you please clarify?
On the other hand, what is this dowry?, it is child trafficking, they bought these children to be their sex slave, its not even arranged married that you would normally heard, at least arrange married that you heard from other culture is, the girls are old enough to expect what will they get on the first night.
Its not a big thing for a believer. Whatever he does, is inspired by Muhammad. When a 50 year old marries a 10 year old baby, then its OK..according to muslim laws, coz prophet did it. This applies even to Hate, Violence, slaughtering of innocents, deception, lies and subjugation of women. Now, we realise that moderate muslims is only a theoritical tag, not practical in nature, even so the gap between being a moderate muslim and a extremist is narrowing day by day. Hence, stop balming the terrorists, they are innocents. Islam is the devil, its founder is a evil man, his words 'Quran' is a evil book, a manual of hate, and hence those who follow it faithfully are no different.
Dear Dr.RB , the second picture , "A mass child marriage ceremony in Gaza, " , was not a Marriage ceremony . "July 31, 2009" , This picture was posted in FFI (Old forum) and Dr.Sina was outraged like anything. Next day it was proved to be some other event , that also came in FFI.
The first picture "8 year old Saudi bride" has a dot on her forehead. Aren't Hindus mark their forehead with a red dot and not Muslims? Please clarify all these before this site becomes a propaganda machine. This is not Paliwood sir. Truth is the only force that can destroy Islam.
That is not a dot on her forehead. It looks more like a beauty. Not stop posting your garbage.
F/F67 says: The first picture “8 year old Saudi bride” has a dot on her forehead. Aren’t Hindus mark their forehead with a red dot and not Muslims?
Wagamama says: Indian Muslims and Christians ape Hindu-gifted culture in almost everything. They put 'bindi' (mark on forehead with red dot), bangles, garland, mangal sutra (sign of a married woman), saree, (dress worn by Hindu woman) etc. They do not feed themselves with dates (Mo's food), camel's meat, pizza, pasta, and other dishes. Rice, curry, chapati, naan, idli, wada, raita, jamoon, halva and other wonderful spicy dishes are their daily food. These foods were gifted by our ancestors—HINDUS. This is called "aping". They may stop praying but cannot live without spices. The girl shown in the picture could be a Muslim girl from Hyderabad, India. Don't act like an armchair professor.
P.S
In Britain curry has been recognized as the national dish. Tomorrow if you see a white British eating curry, don't shout "Isn't curry eaten by Hindus and not by British, who only eat traditional barbecue and fish and chips?"
Reading this article made me shiver, then feel like vomiting. Only sick minded people can utter such garbage as that Sheikh Abdul Aziz As-Sheikh.
Why did mohammad marry a child like ayesha and made a grand entry in to her at the ripe old age of 9? My login name says it all!
Oh by the way how old was some other lady when she conceived miraculously? 12 years? The virile breath that was exhaled out? So god also likes to fool around a bit with young girls.A pedophilic god indeed.
No Mary was 14.
And Mary asked the angel "how could that be?" , this is important because it shows that god doesn't want blind followers.
Plus Mary had a choice, she could just say "No" and it's clear in the bible. Our true God loves us so much that he has given us FREE WILL and he doesn't interfere in our lives unless we ask him to.
conception of Mary was painless and no one penetrated her. God chose a female for him to become a human Male to tell you that men and women are equal in salvation.
The strory of Mary and Isa (islamic jesus) and the strory of conception of Mary in Quran are twisted and wrong.
so before comparing pedophilic Mohamed to Christian's God do your homework
What this author is talking about may be the truth but tell him to look at some parts of India in general and Hinduism in particular. In Rajasthan, there are many incidences of child marriage attended by top officials. Female infantcide is not uncommon in India. Hinduism sanctions child marriages but that has changed with time. I understand that this is a website critical only of Muslims but there needs to some semblance of fairness.
NO there doesn't need to be 'some semblance of fairness' – WHY? We are not hear to talk about Hindu's; we are here to talk about ISLAM. At least with the child marriages in India, both the bride and groom are children, the same age. In Muslim child marriages, the girl is a child and the groom is a grown man; 55 year old man marries an 8 year old, 80 year old man marries a 12 year old. That's bollox. Those girls get raped and beaten, it's disgusting.
Screw 'equal time' to other people or religions with their own set of problems.
@Mr./Ms. dingaling,
Yes. What you're saying is true. It was believed as per Shastras (holy scriptures) that a Hindu girl is given in marriage as a "daan" (a donation) to the bridegroom's family with all the riches that the bride's father could afford. That was why it was called "Kanya Daan". Kanya is a girl who hasn't yet attained puberty. Ancient Hindus believed that when a father performs his daughter's marriage before she attains puberty, 21 generations (10 prior generations, his own generation and 10 future generations) will attain salvation and the souls will reach Swarga loka (Heaven). The boy will also be not much older than her. The girl will be raised in the father-in-law's house under supervision and will get accustomed to their way of doing things (Customs, traditions, practices of daily living etc.). But they will not consummate the marriage for years until both the boy and the girl are physically and mentally ready. Then they will fix an auspicious day for their union, perform a ceremony and allow the young couple to live together thereafter. However, these practices were abolished in the 19th or 20th century and now every Hindu girl will rebel if she will be considered as a "daan"(donation). As per Hindu marriage act, the legal marriageable age for a girl is 18 and for a boy is 21 now. If people do not abide by these rules, they should be reported to the authorities. I think Human Rights activists are vigorously working on female infacticide practices also (which happens mainly in poor and illiterate village population, only because of dowry problems). Though I do not want to discuss about Hindu practices here, I thought of giving my comments, since you brought the subject.
Ayodhyarama, you forgot to mention swayamvar (where a bride chooses a husband on her own), Gandharv vivah (where a man and woman date and marry and then inform their parents). The custom of a girl marrying a boy of similar age did not exist in vedic period. Such a practice came into advent only in the last 1000 yrs or so.
Examples from history: Damayanti garlanded Nala Maharaj through Swayamvar, Dushyant married Shakuntala through Gandharv marriage, Arjun married Draupadi through swayamvar, Krishna kidnapped Rukmini on latter's request as her parents and brother were forcing her to marry someone else. The list is endless. Anyway I was replying to FF67's baseless assumptions and beliefs.
@ Wagamama:
My above post was addressed to dingaling in response to his/her comment regarding the practice of child marriages in India. So I didn't see a need to explain about the different types of marriages in vedic period. I really do not know when that practice started, may be after Islamic Invasion and influence? A priest explained to me during a marriage when he was reciting the sloka "Kanyaam Kanaka Sampannaam……." and what the word Kanya really means. Any way it is not there any more and it is illegal in India. I just want our readers to know. Otherwise, the comments posted by dingaling will add one more negative thing about Hindus and India to the never-ending long list carried by our non-Hindu friends.
Yeah well, he was bringing up the question of 'FAIRNESS' and in all FAIRNESS at least many Hindus are allowed to choose their own spouse. Something not allowed to the muslim 'children'
@ayodhyarama, kanya in sanskrit means woman of marriageable age, maiden etc
@ayodhyarama
What makes you think that I am not Hindu or born Hindu. You seem to have no problem criticizing other religions but become defensive when your own is criticized. Have you heard about the honor killings that are occuring quite frequently in North India in the name of caste. My point is that all religions are complicit in the oppression of women not just Islam. However, I agree that it is institutionalized in Islam just like the untouchability was institutional until a few years back. India and Hinduism have moved on from those practices. So have the Jews and the Christians who religious books are not much different from the Qoran. It is time for the Muslims to realize that times have changed and so should they. Oil will not last forever and once the economic backbone of the religion is broken, then the religion will have to either adapt or perish.
Ibn Kammuna says: June 9, 2010 at 12:03 am
To: ronyvo Hello brother. I have a question. You mention in your posting that Muhammad had sex with young boys. I have not seen evidence from Qur’an, Hadith, or Sirat to attest to that. Can you please provide me a reference for you claim. thank you.
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Ibn : I looked it up, but then my computer had a glitch & I lost it. If you insist, I guess I COULD do the work YOU should be doing, & look it up again.
I recommend you use Google, & try entries such as "young boys like pearls, forever fresh." There are actually numerous praises in the Quran for sex with boys–& it even goes as far as saying that "women are the mount of devils," & therefore boys are to be preferred. By the way, "forever fresh" also goes for the "72 virgins." Incidentally, they aren't real women, but "made of musk," & no matter how often they're used for sex, remain virgins, "forever fresh." Oh, & men are the sole celebrants in a Muslim "paradise," women get ZERO rewards for having done what was required of them while alive. I say "celebrated" because males are forever ready for intercourse. (For the under 70 IQ'd here, that means they never get soft. I'm not going to go further than that)
Isn't it odd that the men in that place eat & drink endless servings of wine, & have sex all they want, when "Allah" forbids those very behaviors on Earth? Especially the homosexual sex?
With all the disgust the Quran shows toward women, & seeing how Muslim men treat their poor wives, it makes me think they have a collective sexual identity crisis. They must not be sure of their masculinity, & I think they're =afraid= of women. That would be any psychologist's diagnosis for an American man who treated women badly & beat up homosexuals. It's got a term: "Latent Homosexuality."
Why ELSE would Muslim men keep women beaten down & locked away from the good things of life, such as going to school, or even being allowed to show their faces?
For those who haven't the time, I found (again) some of the verses I found for Ibn that prove what a pornographic "god" Allah is. And since these things were given to humanity through Alah's "prophet," then it just follows Mohammed was a partaker of these beliefs.
To wit:
In the Hadiths, Prophet Muhammad…expands the promise of the paradise virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women & young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.
Quote from Hadiths
Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
…Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men & women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."
Despite outwardly condemnation or disapproval, homosexuality was & is widely practiced in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers, Prophet Muhammad promised them pre-pubescent pear-like boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape & murder in this life, the followers of Islam will get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths, who are fresh like pearls.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 52:24…Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.
Koran 56:17…Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
Koran 76:19…And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.
This isn't all that I originally found, but it took me several HOURS to locate as many as I had last time, so I've no doubt that if ANYONE wants to know the truth about Islam, all they need to do is read it. I have a well-translated copy. Where's yours?
My apology–I was confused. The line about women being the mount of devils comes not from the Quran (so far as I know), but from some Muslim poet, who was praising sex with men & boys.
When _I_ make an error, I admit it & apologize!
Just FYI, I linked to your post from my article Why 8 Year Old Girls Can Marry in Saudi Arabia
[...] Child-Marriage and Pedophilia in Muslim Societies: Will It Come To an End [...]
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AL MUSLIM 'NATIONS' NEED TO BE MASS SPRAYED…WITH PIG'S BLOOD SIMPLE SOLUTION TO A NON-PROBLEM…..IN AMERICA MILLIONS OF INOCENT, HARMLESS PETS ARE EUTHANIZED ANNUALLY….THOSE CRETINS ARE INFINITELY MORE DESERVING OF EXTERMINATION…LIKE THE VERMIN THEY ARE.
Pedo-rophet Mahound married little Ayesha, fucked her in the undeveloped cunt, gave birth to a baby girl.
Ten years later, Mahound (pedo be upon him) fucked Ayesha's daughter (halal gives you libido even into old age) which result in more Bin Mohammodos. Mohammodo fucks everyday.
why in this type of article does the emphasis seem to always be on the age of the man? as though its his age of 50 or 80 years thats the problem, or in some way worse than if he was a younger man.
If a sixteen or twenty year old male 'marries' (rapes) a child then its still the heinous crime of paedophilia.
What a litter of ignorant mongrels, trying to justify your own vices accusing others…
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