Islam is not a religion of peace. Dialogue is useless unless the Quran changes.

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  1. Walter Sieruk says:

    The Qu ‘ran cannot be changed and Islam can’t be reformed . It should be noted that Islam can’t be changed from violent and deadly to non –violent and peaceful because the very core essence of Islam is that of violence and killing. As found in the Quran 9:121, 5:33, 9:5, 111, 47:4. The very best that may be realistically hopped for would be a watered-down type of Islam is mild and non-violent.
    This is in contrast to hard core Quran based Islam which is the violent and murderous Islam practice Muslim jihad terror organizations, as ISIS ,Al Qaeda , Hezbollah ,Hamas and so forth .
    To put this in another way, the Bible informs its reader “What is crooked cannot be made straight, and what is lacking cannot be numbered.” Ecclesiastes 1 :15. [N.K.J.N.] Therefore this verse may be understood when applying it to the idea of folly of “reforming Islam” As in, “What is crooked cannot be made straight in. “The violent nature can’t be straighten to be made non-violent” and “what is lacking cannot be numbered” may be understood as “Such a violent and hate-filled religion is lacking in love and compassion and thus can’t be numbered or counted as a truly peaceful religion.”

  2. A.H. says:

    “Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina will certainly deny the truth of our recorded history of past 2000 years.”

    If you mean with `our recorded history`, the history of the West then Santana Dharma did not play a significant role in it and it will probably not play a significant role in the future of the West. Islam tried but failed sofar and will fail in the future because the West is submitted to freedom.

  3. I use the terms Muslim and Islamic interchangeably, even though they are distinct; here, I defer to Olivier Roy’s nomenclature. “Muslim” designates what is based on fact: a Muslim country is a nation in which the majority of the population professes to be adherents to Islam; a Muslim intellectual is an intellectual of Muslim origin and culture. The term Islamic instead refers to the result of an intention; an Islamic state is a nation that establishes its legitimacy on Islam, whereas Islamic intellectuals consciously organize their thoughts within the conceptual structure of Islam. The term Islamist signifies people who actively or passively support Islamic nationalism and a sharia-based society, whether through political or violent means.

    So far as the “no compulsion” on religion, we all know that the Prophet didn’t observe. I ask, what is the problem in changing one’s religion if one is a Muslim, or if a Muslim stops practicing Islam? Does that mean he merits death as the Prophet called for.

    There is also hate speech in the Quran: Indeed the faithless from among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians like myself] and the polytheists will be in the fire of hell to remain in it [forever]. It is they who are the worst of creatures. — Sura 98, 6

  4. Face_The_Truth says:

    Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina will certainly deny the truth of our recorded history of past 2000 years.

    But, “Denial” ain’t just a river in Egypt, as Mark Twain most famously said.

    Islam and Christianism are inherently and essentially the same thing just like a rusted coin that has two vile sides as the following LINKS proves:





  5. Walter Sieruk says:

    In this twenty-first century conflict between the Judeo- Christian West and the Islamic East which also has been termed “The war of Ideas” the West needs ideas for its very foundation and defense that is far superior to something as weak and worthless as just “opinion.”
    What the West needs is wisdom. As the Bible instructs “Wisdom is better than strength.” Ecclesiastes 9:16. [N.K.J.V.] Likewise, this same book of the Bible also teaches in 9:18 “Wisdom is better than weapons of war.” Therefore, wisdom is in strong contrast to opinion. Also greatly opposed to wisdom is folly and deceit. As the Bible in Proverbs 14:8 informs the reader ‘The folly of fools is deceit.” The deception of deceit may be seen, by all those who are willing to see, in the Islamic doctrine of a virgin filled paradise designed specify for the male Muslim jihadist who dies in the jihad for the cause of Islam, in what they so inappropriately call a “martyrdom operation.” Many a times a jihadist/Muslim is so very deluded the he actually put on his video recording that after he dies in the jihad as a “martyr” he will then in paradise have a “wedding with virgins.” This firm but blind unquestioning folly is the result of such a man believing in deception of a false doctrine. With Light of the Wisdom of Jesus a belief in a “wedding with virgins.” is the outcome of a person accepting as the “truth” an invalid and false. For Jesus taught “you are mistaken, not knowing the Scripture nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angles in heaven.” Matthew 22:29,30. A jihadist will after dies and such a murderous way will have a very hard and harsh “reality check” In that “his expectation will perish…” Proverb 11:7. For he will then discover that he was deceived by false doctrine and lie of “a paradise with virgins” and to his shock and horror he will find himself trapped and suffering ,with no hope of escape, in the fires of hell. As the Bible teaches a murder “will not inherit the kingdom of God,” Galatians 5:21. This is sad and tragic but nevertheless it’s the reality of the truth.

  6. Walter Sieruk says:

    Regarding many of those Muslim migrants who have entered European countries and then show only contempt .dishonor and reproach towards the people of those Western nations who were kind yet foolish enough to allow them, those Muslim migrants to enter, invade, their home countries of Europe in the first place. This type of situation is f reflected in the Bible .Which reads “When the wicked comes, contempt comes also; with dishonor comes reproach.” Proverbs 18:3. [N.K.J.V.]
    Furthermore, those jihadist Muslims with their Islamic way of thinking by their well thought Islamic schemes for the action of involvement in their violent and sheath jihad for the advancement of Islam in the many different Western nations. Those sly scheming jihadists are, somewhat, of a reminder of the information reveled in the Bible in Proverbs 15:26. In which the reader is informed that even “The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord…”

  7. Some responses to things that came up in Fr Portella’s interview.

    1. I have never come across Fr Portella’s definition of an Islamist. In my understanding it refers to someone who wishes, at the very least, to see Islam play an important role in society and political arrangements and, at the most, to force Islam on non-Muslims and impose sharia for all. The opposite of an Islamist would be a “quietist” who is content to keep their religion personal. According to my definition, which I think is the conventional one, there are Islamist Muslims and Imams and quietist Muslims and Imams.

    2. Has Pope Francis really brought the gospel of Christ to the Islamic world? If so it hasn’t had much effect. Christians are increasingly persecuted wherever there are Muslims and Christians together, especially in Muslim majority countries. I would say rather that he has helped to bring the hatefulness of Islam to the Christian world by constantly lobbying for mass Muslim immigration to Europe and to the US.

    3. The chances of Muslims, especially without a central authority (as explained in the interview), changing any of their canonical texts are zero so shouldn’t we just drop the idea?

    4. I think the verse “allowing freedom of choice”, 2:256 (“no compulsion in religion”) should not be taken at face value. It sits there all alone in the Koran surrounded by Allah’s promises to fry anyone who makes the wrong choice (are they compulsion or only “encouragement”?) and followed later by Mohammed’s very compulsory approach to the subject.

    The context is supplied in Ibn Ishaq’s biography of Mohammed (part of the Sira, so also canonical):

    Mohammed writes to the Jews of Khaybar calling them to Islam.
    He says:
    ‘God says to you, O scripture folk, and you will find it in your scripture “Muhammad is the apostle of God”…’
    ‘Do you find in what He has sent down to you that you should believe in Muhammed? If you do not find that in your scripture then there is no compulsion on you, “The right path has become plainly distinguished from error” so I call you to God and his prophet’.
    Therefore the famous “no compulsion in religion” statement in Koran 2:256 is only conditional here, and since that condition has not been met (according to Mohammed) compulsion is not proscribed.