Can Christians View Muhammad As A Prophet?

Ali Sina

Ali Sina is the author of Understanding Muhammad and Muslims.

91 Responses

  1. Ron says:

    Dear A.H.
    Amen to that comment.

    We should all pray for our Church leaders that they would remain steadfast in their faith and grow in Spiritual truth of Christ and we should pray for wisdom and discernment for us too so that we may be able to discern well and make the right choices.

    May the peace of Christ be with you and all of us

  2. A.H. says:

    “Of course we know that these precursors to formal acceptance of gay marriage and abortion by RCC may not happen but that only time will tell”

    The Community Jesus founded as per Matt 16 never changed its teachings up to this very day, Jesus promised that the gates of Hades will not prevail.

  3. Ron says:

    Generally the Popes before Pope Francis were vehemently against abortion and gay marriage. Now here comes has Pope Francis and he has made sound bytes that are not explicitly against abortion or against gay marriage. These could be precursors to formal acceptance
    After some time were he to accept gay marriage or not condemn abortion then what would you infer from the following choices?
    1) That Scriptures/God’s word is not consistent?
    2) The Scriptures were interpreted wrongly before (earlier Popes were wrong) and are now interpreted correctly (Present Pope is correct). (the churches (i.e. Popes -earlier or present) can err even in matter of morals and faith)
    3) God’s word and Scriptures do not change or evolve and that abortion is wrong, as well as gay marriage is wrong. (it is the humans (Pope’s who are changing their interpretation are humans and can make mistakes).

    Of course we know that these precursors to formal acceptance of gay marriage and abortion by RCC may not happen but that only time will tell.

    Pray and think and ask Jesus to show you the way, the truth and life and He will show you.

    May the peace of Christ be with you all.

  4. A.H. says:

    “If you find that the Church’s doctrine, teachings and practice are against the Scriptures then either try to reform it through discussion at the elder-level and up or shun away from it or leave it altogether and ask God for directions on your next steps”

    You cannot say that, you should say “If you find that the Church’s doctrine, teachings and practice are against YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION OF the Scriptures”

    But that is Protestantism at its best , that`s why 500 years after Luther there are thousands of denominations and the number of new denominations still grows.

    Jesus prayed at the end of his life for unity.

    The doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not found in Scripture itself. That`s why you need an universal Church that preaches the Gospel unanimously, without reform, throughout the ages or else you end up in Ecclesial Consumerism of Protestantism.

    http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/07/ecclesial-consumerism/

  5. In this article Ali has not touched on ‘miracles’.There is one sure way to determine whether a prophet truly a spokesman for God or a charlatan trying to deceive the masses; can he produce clear-cut miracles? Great religions recognise the validity of miracles as a means of confirming a message from God. Even Bertrand Russell conceded that miracles authenticate a truth claim. In the Bible we have prophets (Moses, Elijah) who were challenged but who then performed miracles to establish their credentials. Jesus said “If I do not do miracles of my Father, do not believe me”(John 10:37). Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish council that condemned Jesus to death, came to Jesus at night and said “Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing, if God were not with him” (John 3:2).

    These things never happened to Mohammad. In the Koran when the unbelievers challenged Mohammad to perform miracles, he refused.

  6. Ron says:

    In short follow Jesus (not any human or church) and accept Him as your personal saviour and believe that He died for your sins and rose again and have sincere repentance for your sins(we are all sinners except Christ).
    When you have Christ in you, then you will feel compassion for the poor, orphans, widows, destitute, homeless, sick and hungry etc.

    Also go to your Church for regular worship, keep the commandments and ask Lord Jesus to show you the way. If you find that the Church;s doctrine, teachings and practice are against the Scriptures then either try to reform it through discussion at the elder-level and up or shun away from it or leave it altogether and ask God for directions on your next steps. Please keep that Church and its leaders in prayers.

  7. Ron says:

    If the Pope or any Pastor says that gay marriage is OK, then will you accept it?

    If they say abortion is OK, then will you accept it?

    If the Church Leader (Pope, Priest or Pastor) says that Bible and the Koran point to the same God then will you accept it?

    If they say worshipping idols is OK as long as they are of Jesus, Mary, Joseph and of the canonized Saints then will you accept it?

    If the Pope, Pastor or even common man are Holy Spirit inspired and have taken a Holy Spirit inspired decision then you will not err whether it is on matter of faith or politics.

    If the teaching of any church leader (RCC, Protestant, Orthodox, Pentecostal or any denomination etc.) contradict the Scriptures than understand that you have two options either the Church leader is erring or the Scriptures are erring. It is better to believe that the church leader can err but God ‘s word does not change as Scriptures don’t err.

    Having a belief system that a Church leader cannot err (whether in matter of faith or politics) and is infallible has resulted in cults, teachings of purgatory, indulgences, idolatry, gay priests and pastors, paganism, acceptances of gay marriages, cover up of pedophilia and other sins of the flesh.

    You can have salvation without believing /going to a church (RCC, Protestant, Pentecostal, Orthodox etc.) and but by repenting for your sins and accepting Jesus as your Saviour and by believing that Jesus died for your sins and rose again.
    But you cannot have salvation with going regularly to a church (RCC, Protestant, Pentecostal, Orthodox or any denomination etc.) and not repenting for your sins and not accepting Jesus as your Saviour and not believing that Jesus died for your sins and rose again.

    SO THE CENTRAL AND MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA FOR SALVATION IS SINCERE REPENTANCE OF YOUR SINS AND ACCEPTING JESUS AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOUR AND BELEIVING THAT JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS AND ROSE AGAIN.

    A person can be saved even on the top of the Himalayas when he/she has not stepped foot in any church but by having heard about Jesus or encountered Him in a dream and accepting Jesus as his/her personal Saviour and having sincere repentance in heart and believing that Jesus died for your sins.

    The Church is a group of people (organized or not) and is needed for fellowship and spiritual growth and guidance but we have to exercise caution and understand that leaders of the Church (Pope, Pastor or Priest) whether single or in a group can make mistakes in their interpretation of the Scriptures.

    Ask Jesus for the Spirit for discernment and the Holy Spirit will give it you. You don’t have to leave any Church (RCC, Protestant, Pentecostal, Orthodox or any denomination etc.) but read the Gospel and the Bible and before reading the Scriptures pray for Holy Spirit to give you discernment in the mighty name of Jesus. You will find the answers yourself.

  8. Why a Church
    “But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.” (Matthew 2:6)
    “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations.” (Matthew 24:14)
    It took quite a journey, both literally and metaphorically, for Christianity to get from Bethlehem, a tiny village in a remote corner of the Roman Empire, to Rome itself, and from there to the far ends of the earth. It’s a fair question to ask, How did this happen? How did a religious movement that began in a relatively nondescript location and what would seem to have been the most inauspicious circumstances become a global Church?

    The Church is “religious” not just “spiritual.” It makes moral demands. Church has an administrative structure that: (A) doesn’t allow people to do or believe whatever they want; (B) keeps it from becoming an elite “mystery cult”; and (C) depends upon the teaching authority of the successors of the apostles, the bishops, and deacons which (D) keeps the Church from becoming merely a “regional” or “national” church.
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  9. A.H. says:

    “Please note that when people chosen by God can err than people (e.g. Pope or other Christian Pastors or theologians) selected/elected by humans can definitely err.
    So all churches whether RCC or Protestant or Orthodox etc have all erred and many continue to err. There is nothing like a perfect church and so no perfect church ever exists or existed.”

    The Catholic position is that the Church can err in Her politics but cannot err in Her teaching concerning faith and morals.

    The Church leaders i.e. the apostles and their successors ( not everyone) have the promise of the Spirit as per John 16:13

    “But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come”

    This is basis of the infallibility of the leaders of the Church when they speak officially concerning faith and morals.

    In Matt 16, after Peter`s announcement that Jesus is the Son of God, the God-man authorized Peter by giving him the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven and the power to bind and loose.

    Did Luther, your pastors receive this authority to bind or loose or the promise of the Spirit? No, definitely not!

    The situation described in Matt 16 means the establishment of an office that could be transferred to appointed successors by laying on hands. Looking at history this is how Christianity developed, Christians accepted for 1500 years that the Church was guided by Peter and his authorized successors. Until Luther came along in the 16th century with his new teachings, after 500 years, Protestantism has been splintered in thousands of denominations with different if not opposite doctrines.

    In Luke 22:32 Jesus prayed for Peter
    “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.”

    And in John 21
    “Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.”

    In the Catholic Church there is an unbroken line of successors of Peter up to this very day. The authority of the Catholic clergy is linked with the event described in Matt 16.

    “Many of the RCC clergy and the Vatican and even some other Protestant churches did not go and speak against the racists Nazis and the fascist Mussolini whether out of pressure or out of fear or out of tacit support or just ignorance (willful or not)”

    They can err in their politics, see above.

    “Jesus never came to establish a theocracy or church. He wanted people to change their hearts and accept His gift of salvation and do the great commission and follow the great commandments. He wanted to build His Kingdom in the hearts of people.”

    That is your interpretation of Scripture, the Catholic position based on Matt 16 is possible, in fact looking at history, the Community founded by Jesus developed along this line.

    “Follow and accept Jesus and his Gospel and not what any church (organized or not) teaches you. See whether their teachings contradict the Scriptures and shun/ignore them if they do.”

    You cannot say that, it is better to say, the interpretations of Scripture of all Christian denominations differ from each other or even contradict with each other. Whose interpretation must I believe.
    Who is authorized to preach the Word of God.

    Jesus has prayed for unity, but in the world of Christian denominations it is quite a mess.

  10. Ron says:

    Please note that when people chosen by God can err than people (e.g. Pope or other Christian Pastors or theologians) selected/elected by humans can definitely err.
    So all churches whether RCC or Protestant or Orthodox etc have all erred and many continue to err.
    There is nothing like a perfect church and so no perfect church ever exists or existed.

    Jesus was the only perfect and sinless man.

    Many of the RCC clergy and the Vatican and even some other Protestant churches did not go and speak against the racists Nazis and the fascist Mussolini whether out of pressure or out of fear or out of tacit support or just ignorance (wilful or not).

    Jesus never came to establish a theocracy or church. He wanted people to change their hearts and accept His gift of salvation and do the great commission and follow the great commandments. He wanted to build His Kingdom in the hearts of people.

    Follow and accept Jesus and his Gospel and not what any church (organized or not) teaches you. See whether their teachings contradict the Scriptures and shun/ignore them if they do.

    God bless and peace of Christ on all of you.

  11. A.H. says:

    “Hi AH, Thanks for your response…”

    Okay!

    “We don’t follow Luther, or anyone else…it is their teaching that is in accordance with God’s Word that we follow”

    But Luther, Calvin. Zwingli , Ellen G. White, Charles Russell etc. came to different if not opposite conclusions when they read the bible. Whose teaching is in accordance with God`s Word or who should I believe?

    “Have you ever considered the fact that if the RCC had done what the true church was supposed to do there would have NOT been the need for a reformation?
    Ask yourself why would a devoted monk like Luther come against the Vatican in the first place”

    I have no problem with that, my problem is he had no authority to start a new church, nowadays there a thousands of denominations, teaching different, even opposite doctrines. Again who should I believe.

    “And if you want to be dogmatic, no man should have ever been married from that time till now, why select a special group like priests only?”

    As Paul says in 1 Corinthians 7:38
    He who marries “does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better”

    And Jesus in Matt. 19:11–12
    because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.

    “As for traditions, I have no problem if a godly tradition based on the Scriptures is practiced, but this is not what we see most of the time in the RCC…Oral traditions and the Popes teachings are on par with God’s Word.
    “That is what I am against…. from prayers to Mary, dead saints, relic worship, praying in Latin, pagan Christmas/Easter celebrations, Ash/Lent…. and many other teachings/practices not found in Scripture or practiced by the apostles continues to this day.”

    That`s the problem with Fundamentalists , see fail to see that the Catholic faith/practices are not in conflict with Scripture but with the Protestant teachings.

    “So much for the Vicar of Christ!! a title that numerically equates to 666”
    You`re brainwashed by your fundamentalistic co-religionists.

    “For more information please go to : justforcatholics.org”

    Yeah, we are completely off-topic.

  12. stanley says:

    Hi AH, Thanks for your response…We don’t follow Luther, or anyone else…it is their teaching that is in accordance with God’s Word that we follow..Have you ever considered the fact that if the RCC had done what the true church was supposed to do there would have NOT been the need for a reformation?
    Ask yourself why would a devoted monk like Luther come against the Vatican in the first place.

    Yes when Paul saw the persecution of Christians, especially the marries men, it is common sense that if they did not have wives or children then much personal suffering is spared. Can you imagine if the Romans held sword to your throat, threatened to kill your wife and child if you did not renounce Christ, how great a test that was to a married man? He will be compelled to renounce Christ..all because of his family.
    And if you want to be dogmatic, no man should have ever been married from that time till now, why select a special group like priests only?
    As for traditions, I have no problem if a godly tradition based on the Scriptures is practiced, but this is not what we see most of the time in the RCC…Oral traditions and the Popes teachings are on par with God’s Word.
    That is what I am against…. from prayers to Mary, dead saints, relic worship, praying in Latin, pagan Christmas/Easter celebrations, Ash/Lent…. and many other teachings/practices not found in Scripture or practiced by the apostles continues to this day.

    Not too long ago the Pope was in Turkey, kissing the quran… stating that we all worship the same God, now can you see how that has opened the door to this migrant problem, that the EU got deceived into believing this lie- these problems now engulfing Europe and will lead to war..Have you noticed how silent the Vatican is on this issue…but he has no problem condemning Trump saying that he will build a wall to prevent illegals entering the USA.
    So much for the Vicar of Christ!! a title that numerically equates to 666

    For more information please go to : justforcatholics.org

  13. A.H. says:

    “Dear AH- who is John Henry Newman, a biblical figure? again you select someone not from the Word…. “

    Is Martin Luther or John Calvin or Ulrich Zwingli or Ellen G White or Charles Russell a biblical figure?
    Why do you follow them or one of them? They are definitely not from the Word…..

    “a simple question: Did you know that forbidding to marry is a doctrine of demons… Tim 4: 1-4”

    That is your interpretation or the that of your denomination.

    “Why would the RCC teach and practice that,”

    The Church does not teach or practice a doctrine of demons, you are misled

    “even Peter was married?”

    Agreed, but how do you interpret Paul in 1 Corinthians 7,8:

    “Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.”

    As Jesus said. By your traditions you have made the Word of God of no effect..

    On the other hand how do you interpret 2 Thessalonians 2:15 in which Paul says

    “So then, brethren, STAND FIRM and hold to the TRADITIONS which you were taught, whether by word of MOUTH or by letter from us”

    So, there is not only a written tradition but also an oral tradition in the Church (up to this very day) to be held firmely.

  14. Ron says:

    It is important to know that men even those chosen by God have sinned, faltered sometimes or expressed doubt and fear. Saul, David, Moses, Peter, Thomas, Jonah, Aaron, Solomon, Judas etc .
    Of course many of them repented and followed God again.

    Peter did deny Jesus 3 times and Mathew 16: 23 says
    But Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

    No human is infallible. We have to examine everything in the light of the Scriptures with the understanding that Scriptures over-ride doctrines of man or church(which is a organized/unorganized group of men & women). It does not matter whether that church is RCC, Protestant, Orthodox or any kind as they can all err as humans err and are fallible.

  15. stanley says:

    Dear AH- who is John Henry Newman, a biblical figure? again you select someone not from the Word…. a simple question: Did you know that forbidding to marry is a doctrine of demons… Tim 4: 1-4
    Why would the RCC teach and practice that, when even Peter was married?
    As Jesus said..by your traditions you have made the Word of God of no effect..

  16. A.H. says:

    “To AH… Peter was not the rock…the revelation that came from The Father to Peter to answer Jesus ‘question as to who he really was, that was the Rock on which the Church is built…Jesus Christ the chief Cornerstone.
    The keys were not only given to Peter but to all the disciples…..further Peter was never a bishop or pope as the RCC claims….In fact the only commonness between Peter and the RCC was that Peter denied Christ and the RCC has been denying the truths of Scripture for centuries, adding/deleting, and replacing it with traditions born from paganism…equating the teachings of mere men to that of the Word of God.”

    This is the view of Protest-ants, they don`t have authority, just other opinions, resulting in hundreds if not thousands of denominations. But Jesus founded just one Church and as John Henry Newman puts it “To be deep in history, is cease to be Protest-ant”.

    http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/

  17. stanley says:

    To AH… Peter was not the rock…the revelation that came from The Father to Peter to answer Jesus ‘question as to who he really was, that was the Rock on which the Church is built…Jesus Christ the chief Cornerstone.
    The keys were not only given to Peter but to all the disciples…..further Peter was never a bishop or pope as the RCC claims….In fact the only commonness between Peter and the RCC was that Peter denied Christ and the RCC has been denying the truths of Scripture for centuries, adding/deleting, and replacing it with traditions born from paganism…equating the teachings of mere men to that of the Word of God.

  18. stanley says:

    to Mohan, at first glance it would appear that if we got rid of all religion that would be good, but then again by what laws do people live by, and who determines these laws? Fellow Man? if that is so who gives that man the right to govern my life, at least now in spite of all the shortcomings there is a semblance of respect found in most if not all religions, otherwise what is right according to you may not be right with me so how can we ever determine right from wrong without a Higher Order.
    The quest in all of us should be this:”What is truth”, seek it until you find it and when you do, you will have no need of religion because you would found the One that religion teaches you to look for.
    That’s the reason we all need Jesus Christ, not necessarily Christianity but Christ Himself.

  19. Mohan says:

    To me all these religions are useless institutions based on cock and bull stories, they are only useful in dividing and controlling people. This world woul be a better place without them, no doubt in mind about it.

  20. stanley says:

    Hi Ali, who knows what is next in your journey, I’m sure you did not plan to move from Islam to atheism – but it happened, then to believe in Jesus, so be fundamental without being cultic. In this world of everything being so politically correct, even expressing the basic tenets of Christianity will label one a fundamentalist in the eyes of many.

    In his booklet” Common Sense Religion” the writer hypothetically presents all religious leaders and all deities or forms or worship as true, and asks his readers to assume that all are true…then he presents Jesus as just a man without any supernatural power or miracles.
    He then places all these deities/religious leaders on a high shelf and he asks you and I as readers to question each one of them with a simple question:
    What have you done for me that is so great which none of the other gods/religious leaders have not been able to do, that will give me sufficient reason to worship/follow you?

    Well in short… a precursor to this questions was another one: What single characteristic can we as humans accept as being the greatest quality anyone could ever possess, is it power, wealth, wonders, etc.

    Love is agreed as the greatest…. and the greatest display of love is seen in the greatest sacrifice…(Jesus laid down his life for sinners)..remember it is not at this point whether you believe it or not, that is recorded. and so we assume it is true as we assume all the other records in other religions are true as well..

    Well when that test is applied to every religious leader, every god/goddess the writer labels Jesus with displaying the greatest love ever shown by anyone in all recorded history.

    He goes one to say that it does not matter at this stage if Jesus is god or not, because if anyone else who claimed to be the true god was unable to match the feat of Jesus then that god should step down from his throne and surrender to Jesus…..

    Just some food for thought which I think the common sense man cannot ignore…..
    Off course one assumes that love is the greatest characteristic in this hypothesis….

  21. A.H. says:

    “Hi Readers…concerning the Pope and the Catholic Church, please read the book called The Two Babylons…”

    Yeah, the Church is the whore of Babylon and the Pope is the Anti-Christ.

    “it will explain everything concerning the doctrines and practices of this false church”

    Said the fundamentalist, it is a mere assertion, evidence please!

    “This was written in the 1850’s”

    This was the golden era of fundamentalism, bringing into being Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventism and JWism etc., in 1843-1844 William Miller prophesied the end of the world.

    “Mr Sina, We thank God that you have moved from atheism to believe in Jesus…you got a little more road to travel….’

    To become a fundamentalistic cult leader?

  22. Torsten Rehn says:

    Ali Sina is of course right. He can read and anyone who cares to read will find the same things in the Koran, the Sira and the Haddith. Unfortunately he or she will also find the same things in the Bible’s Old Testament. Moses committed genocide and the God of the Old Testament is every bit as blood thirsty as Allah. So how can any sensible person be a christian? The answer lies in how you read, not in what you read. There are thousands of people who read both the Bible and the Koran as modern, democratic, people. You can even find feminist christians and muslims. The Koran and the Bible both clearly state that women are inferior to men, but they read the texts in new ways and I say: good! All religions can change and keep up with the times they exist in. It is of course a lot easier to leave religion altogether, but many do need something to believe in and I see no great harm in that.

  23. stanley says:

    Hi Readers…concerning the Pope and the Catholic Church, please read the book called The Two Babylons…it will explain everything concerning the doctrines and practices of this false church. This was written in the 1850’s.

    Mr Sina, We thank God that you have moved from atheism to believe in Jesus…you got a little more road to travel….We all are waiting for you at the mountain top…keep up the good work. Stan

  24. A.H. says:

    “Although I criticize the Catholic Church vehemently on many fronts, yet I appreciate the good things ……”

    That`s a good Christian stance!

    “These great things cannot be done by ordinary Christian leaders.”

    Sure other Christian leaders can do such things but they cannot speak on behalf of the historical Christianity. The Catholic Church comprises all times and all cultures. In the Catholic Church there is only one Pope, he embodies the unity of the Church. In John 17 Jesus prayed that his followers may be one.

    In the Catholic paradigm Jesus founded ONE Church as per Matthew 16:18, where Jesus (the God-man) divinely authorized Peter as leader of His Church. Peter received the keys of the Kingdom, that means that it is an office as mentioned in Isaiah 22:22. This office is directed by an unbroken line of successors of Peter. About the historical development of the first thousand years of the Christianity you can read here:

    http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2013/08/review-of-robert-louis-wilkens-the-first-thousand-years-a-global-history-of-christianity/

  25. It is unfair to criticize the Pope for not identifying the true nature of Islam. All the Western leaders could not identify it; nor Gandhi. Billions of people including Muslims do not know Islam. Generally many hate it simply because of the atrocities of the Jihadists, like ISIS, Boko Haram etc. Pope is a spiritual leader for 1300 million Catholics (in 180 countries). He cannot behave like Muslims and hate other religions. Many Muslims who suffered at the hands of Jihadists watch carefully how the Christian leaders like Pope behave. When Muslims personally came into contact with Christians learn lot of things about love. Ali Sina too learned about the Christian love in Italy. Is it not strange that Iran President Hassan Rouhani requested the Pope and said “ I ask you to pray for me”
    Although I criticize the Catholic Church vehemently on many fronts, yet I appreciate the good things Popes have done in recent times. Pope John Paul II and President Ronald Reagan together played vital role in bringing down the Soviet Union. Both were shot at, miraculously saved. Monuments for both are located in Gdansk, Poland. John Paul II made a trip to Jerusalem and placed the apology letter (to the Jews) in the ‘Wailing Wall’ Now the Israel Govt. recruits Christians to the Military service. Pope John Paul was instrumental in bringing normality between Communist Cuba and the US. Last week Pope Francis and Eastern Christianity Patriarch Kirill embraced each other in Cuba, first time after the great Schism in 1054, remembering Jesus prayer “that they may be one as We are one” (John 17:11) These great things cannot be done by ordinary Christian leaders.

  26. There are a number of imams and other Muslim apologists for Islam, in America, who have made the claim that both the Christians and the Muslims worship the same God. Likewise, there have been quite a number of “Christian” pastors who have made this same claim. Nevertheless, there remains the question it that claim true and valid or is it a false and invalid claim? The reality is that the god of Islam, which is the god of the Muslims, is a single being. In contrast the God of Christianity is much more complex. In that the God Who the Christian worship is the Triune God. Who is one and only God is in composed of, by His Own Nature, the Trinity. The Trinity may be defined as “Within the essence of the one God there are Three distinct Persons. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Otherwise known as the Tri-Personal Nature of God. Matthew 3:13-17. Second Corinthians 13:14. Moreover, in the book entitled MAJOR BIBLE THEMES by Lewis Sperry Chafter in page39 in informs the reader that “Many believe the the doctrine of the Trinity in implicit in the use of the word Elohim ,as a name for God which is in a plural form and seems to refer to the Triune God.” Likewise, in the Christian magazine PERHAPS TODAY, November-December 2013.on page 8 about Genesis 11 it reads “In the beginning God [this is the plural noun Elohim, meaning ‘more than one’] created the heavens and the earth.” Furthermore, to give only a few examples of this Triune God of the Bible is that in Genesis 1:26 it teaches “”God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after our likeness…” The very next verse, 27, is further reads “So God made man in His own image is changes from the plural “Us” and “Our” to the singular “His.” If not at least a hint of the Trinity then there is an agreement error. In addition in the New Testament in Matthew 28:19 Jesus declared “Go ye therefore ,and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father ,and the Son and the Holy Ghost” [K.J.V.] That is in the “name” not “names” Furthermore the interworking of the Trinity together may be seen in that the Father sanctifies, First Thessalonians 5:23. The Son sanctifies Ephesians 5:26. Hebrews 2:11; 9:12,14; 13;12. The Holy Spirit sanctifies, Romans 15:16. Second Thessalonians 2:13. Likewise, this may be further seen in that the Father raised Jesus from the dead, Romans 10:9,10. The Son raised Himself from the dead, John 2:19-21. The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead, Romans 8:11. In conclusion, claim that the Christian and Muslim believe in and worship the same god is totally false. For by the Bible as well as logic and reason the god of Islam is not the God of Christianity. Likewise, the God of the Bible is not the god of the Koran.

  27. Gezza says:

    Victor Zammit’s website is certainly an education. David Thompson, the British-Australian materialisation medium he “guarantees” is genuine, sounds as authentic as a $2 rolex. Seances completely in the dark. The usual old fashioned parlour tricks – lights and trumpets whizzing around in the air, people being touched by unseen materialised entities, “breathy” whooshing sounds as the entities “materialise and dematerialise”, The (claimed) voice of Houdini (a Hungarian American who grew up in New York) speaking with a dreadfully failed attempt at a Southern accent (explained away by Victor in one of the articles as due to Louis Armstrong having to “help him to vocalise” – for heaven’s sake!). Louis Armstrong (an easy voice for a male to mimic with practice and not all that well done). No recordings of female voices on the website at all – why would no females ever turn up? The voice of the child Timmy sounds ridiculously like a male falsetto. Arthur Conan Doyle voice also not quite right (I found a 10 minute video of him on film to compare it with).

    Any “new” spirits who turn up to talk to sitters seem to whisper, supposedly because it’s difficult to manage communicating via ectoplasmic voicebox. The information provided by the new spirits in the mp3 recordings seems really banal.

    A good number of the scientists Zammit cites as having proven some mediums produced genuine unexplained paranormal phenomena, & really were speaking to people on the” other side”, were doing their science 100 to 50 years ago, were spiritualists who already hoped or believed in an afterlife and likely therefore suffered confirmation bias despite their claims to the contrary, and some of the materialisation mediums they decided were genuine actually later confessed to being frauds. They even contradicted each other.

    Victor doesn’t understand the scientific method, though he claims otherwise, his evidence is largely testimonials and hearsay, or compromised by the mediums rules which prevent filming (he makes the silly assertion that infrared cameras and night vision cameras can’t be used because they emit radiation and that prevents or inhibits manifestations. As far as I can make out these devices work passively. They pick up infrared light: not emit it. It’s an entertaining website, and I’m still going through it, but I think I’ll look for more believable evidence of an afterlife elsewhere.

  28. Lizzie says:

    Ali Sina
    Some of the family of Christ have been reborn to warn of the coming Armageddon. It was from one of these that I got the information.
    Mathew 19/17- but if thou will enter life keep the Commandments.

  29. Gezza says:

    Will do madfijian. I don’t subscribe to any of the established Abrahamic religions. Their Holy Books are all a confused mess.

  30. madfijian says:

    Hi Gezza. Check him out. I agree that their are many charlatans out their. However look at Victors work in entirety rather than then in piece mill. I will say this though often times when we have a closed mind anything that looks out of the ordinary appears “dubious”. For instance Lenora Piper was one if not the most researched and documented medium in history. I have read extensively about her and even the greatest skeptics and non believers agree that she was for real after meticulous analysis t0 rule out fraud. I have almost read all independent literature about her and yet to this day mainstream media and even Wikipedia suggests that she was a fraud. This is simply false.You see the powers that be have a great deal to loose if survival of consciousness independent of the so call “churches” is proven. Science as we know it will have to be re written and all the organized religions will fall and thus ends the power of the churches and mosques and what have you over peoples minds. I have been researching the afterlife for over 10 years and believe me i am one of the most skeptical people around. I am quite convinced now that we do have a soul and that their is enough empirical evidence that we survive death. It appears that it has more to do with quantum physics and nothing at all to do with which mass brain washing cult one belongs to.

  31. why? says:

    Ali Sina,

    Whether you ignore without reading or ignore by reading my comments for silly reasons is of no consequence to me. My logical arguments stand on its own strength.

    Fell free to do what you want. I cannot cater to your silly emotional needs to spell your invisible man jeebus’ name correctly.

  32. Gezza says:

    Whoops, @ madfijian I meant to say. Apologies.

  33. Gezza says:

    @Madfifian, you mentioned a book on the subject of NDEs by Victor Zammit, further down. Zammit has a website. It looks interesting. I’m going to check him out, but I note he endorses several dubious paranormal researchers and fake mediums so I’m not sure how much credibility to give him.

  34. Ali Sina says:

    @Why

    You read me. I have no time for silliness. Now when you learn the correct spelling ask someone to let me know cuz your comments are ignored by me completely.

  35. why? says:

    Ali Sina,

    How I pronounce jeebus is of no consequence to you at all. All that matters is if you are able to logically reply to any of my arguments.

    JUST BECAUSE i spell JEEBUS INTENTIONALLY INCORRECTLY, YOU NEED NOT HIDE BEHIND SILLY REASONS NOT TO ENGAGE.

  36. Ali Sina says:

    @Lizzie

    I asked you where did you find out about the four years. You repeated your warning and did not answer my question.

  37. Ali Sina says:

    @Why

    I am sorry but if you want me to read your comments and reply you have to learn to spell the name of Jesus correctly. If you can’t learn this simple word you can’t learn anything and it is a waste of my time to engage with you.

  38. Lizzie says:

    Ali Sina- Listen hard. Some are given to know.
    The clock is ticking. People who fail to put their lives in order by obeying the Laws of God as given to Moses will almost certainly perish.
    As Islam ignores these Laws and in fact directs followers to break them- muslims in particular will pay a heavy price.
    God knows his own. Blasphemers like Why will choke on their words.

  39. why? says:

    CHRISTIANS LIKE ALI SINA HAVE BEEN HARPING ON THIS SECOND COMING OF JEEBUS FOR ALMOST 2 MILLENNIA RIGHT FROM THE TIME WHEN JEEBUS MENTIONED HIS SECOND COMING TO HAPPEN 2000 YEARS AGO BEFORE JEEBUS DISCIPLES DIE.

    STILL THEY BELIEVE IN THIS CRAP AND WILL CONTINUE UNTIL NEXT MILLENNIA AND SO FORTH. NO AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE WILL SUFFICE FOR THE STUPID.

  40. madfijian says:

    Bula (Fijian hello) to Pheonix. Perhaps you have not read all my comments. While i agree with “Sam” and “Why” on most things i have disagreed on the idea that their is no creator. I have asked Sam to look at the evidence more seriously and with an open mind in an earlier post. I have given him book references and other studies that he can look at. While i am unsure how all this works i am fairly confident based on my research that there is something more spiritual going on and yes i have defended this position many times.

    I do however find that even if i wanted to, defending organized religion logically is impossible as it is not logical and as everyone from Richard Dawikins to Sam Harris has shown organized faiths have simply no rational legs to stand on.

    Personally my journey is just starting although i have been researching for over 10 years now who knows where i will end up.

  41. why? says:

    ANOTHER CLEAR EXAMPLE OF JEEBUS BEING A FALSE PROPHET AND A LIAR:

    Matthew 24

    30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory;

    33 so also ye, when ye may see all these, ye know that it is nigh — at the doors.

    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (Matthew 24:34) = FAILED PROPHECY = LIES.

    42 `Watch ye therefore, because ye have not known in what hour your Lord doth come;

    44 because of this also ye, become ye ready, because in what hour ye do not think, the Son of Man doth come.

    50 the lord of that servant will arrive in a day when he doth not expect, and in an hour of which he doth not know,

    Here jeebus claimed about him coming in the same generation as that of the disciples, who will see all these stated before verse 33.

    Second, jeebus is stating this can happen any hour or day. Jeebus is NOT talking about years or millenia after he said this. He said any hour or day it can happen, which shows the urgency to the disciples that they need to be careful.

    THE CONTEXT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT JEEBUS WAS A FAILED AND FALSE PROFITEER. ITS A WONDER THAT EVEN AFTER THIS SUPERSTITIOUS CHRISTIANS LIKE ALI SINA BELIEVE IN THIS NONSENSE.

  42. madfijian says:

    Lizzie all i have to say to you is “really”. How about this. I will give you 5 years from this year. Lets say 2020 or hell take another 2. Lets say 2022. If the world does not end can you at least have the courage to say that maybe you were wrong or are you going to be like the Seventh Day Adventist who despite 2 centuries are still holding onto this wanton desire to end this world when it didn’t at the end of 1842 . What is with some Christians and this fascination with the world ending.Get a life folks.

  43. why? says:

    ALI SINA,

    You are worried about “Armageddon” and other useless teachings so much. Why?

    I wonder how you who asks atheists to think rationally, finds no qualms in the numerous absurd beliefs of jeebus from Jonah living in a beasts stomach or the Jeebus’ belief in exist? ence of Adam, Eve, Abel etc.?

    You an allegedly rational fellow is worried more about superstitious belief about armageddon…..I am really at a loss how stupid you have become…

  44. Ali Sina says:

    @Lizzie

    How did you arrive at these four years till Armageddon? As far as I know no specific time is given, Even the NDErs who were told of the imminent Divine intervention were not told the time. So how did you find it is going to be in four years?

  45. Phoenix says:

    @madjifan
    I can fill 10 pages if you really want a list. Point is at this juncture in the history of men Islam is the new Christianity. It is an offshoot of the same dumb ass belief system with origins that are linked and intertwined. In other words they are the same and the sooner both are removed from this planet the better.//

    I have no reason to believe those OT verses are universal decrees. Jews regard them as restricted to a past specific time. The NT jews certainly did not emulate their prophets. You can’t emulate Jesus and become a terrorist, pedophile, torturer, mass murderer, rapist, looter, etc.
    ===
    agree that the Greeks were bloody and violent and all that you describe. I never said that they were not. I simply suggested that the values that modern Christianity has recently adopted has some of its origins in Ancient Greece. What i meant was things like democracy. With democracy comes equal rights, value for humanity etc. Of course the current Western values is a mixture of a lot of cherry picking from many cultures and one cannot point at just one source. Above all it is basic common sense. If want needs a 3000 year old book to tell him that killing is wrong and stealing is wrong, killing someone for not believing your way is wrong than that person needs help.//

    These are bare assertions. Present day democracy and ancient greek democracy are vastly dissimilar. For one, women, children and slaves were not granted citizenship in Athens and had no right to vote.
    ===
    Finally yes i hate Christianity and as i have just demonstrated with good reason. It is a hypocritical belief system which is based on pure horse manure. But i hate Islam more and have no particular love for any one of the organized religions. They all a disguised ways of mind control and a stumbling block to free thinking and values based on our common needs as humans . They are a disgrace to the very essence of what a loving creator would want from its creation.//

    Ok, but here’s what I don’t get. When Atheists show up, like Sam and basically lambaste theist beliefs in general without pointing to a specific religion, then you do nothing to defend theism or to demonstrate a more rational approach to theism. Instead, you aim your attacks at Christianity, as if Christianity represents all theism.

  46. Lizzie says:

    Gezza,-Armageddon is a prophecy and it is the TRUTH. People have four more years to put their lives in order and after that will come a judgement.
    When Christ comes with his army, satan will be slaughtered along with his devils and those that harbour them(ie a lot of muslims)
    The Clock is ticking right now. Cleanse yourself now with God’s Laws. Remember Islam ignores these and they will ALL pay the price.

  47. why? says:

    Some stupid people are more worried about malapropism rather than violent stupidity, factual errors and absurdity. Madfijian is right. You cannot fix stupid.

  48. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTL0PM9CdNE – the same evil in history is behind both these man made institutions. https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-swenson/satanilevil-god-of-this-world-vs-the-one-true-god-of-all-creation-part-3/656129924465970 this does NOT mean there are not believers in history that have been in both worldviews; it means that the worldviews from their foundation and at the highest levels derive their presence on earth not from the One True God, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, but from satanil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-VrL3ZBb48 in Truth there is no compatibility whatsoever between True Christianity and islam. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=922521544493472&set=pb.100002069048072.-2207520000.1454597300.&type=3&theater (citing Veith is not an endorsement of all things Seventh Day Adventists promote; it is just acknowledging his research into this topic that contains noteworthy information)

  49. Gezza says:

    If I can at least get you to understand that you should’ve said “there” instead of “their”, you’ll have fixed one little bit of stupid.

  50. madfijian says:

    In this world we can fix a lot of things but no one can fix stupid and their are some really stupid people in this world.

  51. Gezza says:

    @Lizzie. I’m curious. From where do you get your “Four more years and then Armageddon. The end of Islam and a time of judgement for all those who offend God.”?

  52. A.H. says:

    Ali,

    “The third time I read it is now after I became a Christian”.

    Is this the way, after reading the bible, that someone becomes a christian?

  53. Lizzie says:

    Anyone with half a brain whether or not they are Christian only have to read about Mohammed’s life,the murders,rapes,pillaging,pedophilia and larceny to understand that this man is no prophet of God and is more a tool of satan. The fruit of a tree reflects its origins.
    Islam is an evil oppressive religion. In all parts of the world it is causing mayhem,gross evil and terrorism.
    The current fashion for Christians leaders to fawn on Muslims is a sign of the end of times. These people are traitors to Christ just as apostates who embrace Islam are.
    Four more years and then Armageddon. The end of Islam and a time of judgement for all those who offend God.

  54. madfijian says:

    Phoenix before i could reply to your post “Why” has answered with 80% of what i would have said. In any case here goes my reply to you. First of all thank “God” you do not think the Bible is the literal words of God. At least we got one thing in common. However what you and i think is irrelevant as most Christians think it is. My problem with Christianity is simple. It claims to be loving and peaceful and all good and it criticizes Islam very quickly. Th fact is most Christians have never really read and understood their holy books. If one does than one with even half a brain will realize that Islam is just like Sams club and Wal Mart. Sams Club being an offshoot of Walmart but with the same founder and owners. Here are some lovely Bible versus from which Islam derives its ideology.

    Exodus 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.”
    Deuteronomy 22:22 “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.”
    Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.”
    Proverbs 6:32 “But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself.” He destroys himself by being put to death as shown above.
    Leviticus 21:9 “And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.” Why should only a daughter of a priest gets burnt to death if she profanes herself? Why can’t this law apply to all daughters?
    Deuteronomy 25:11-12 “If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.”
    Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.” (Revelation 2:22-23)
    12.10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die, because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
    17.2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman who hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God in transgressing His covenant,
    17.3 and hath gone and served other gods and worshiped them, either the sun or moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded,
    17.4 and it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it and inquired diligently, and behold, it be true and the thing certain that such abomination is wrought in Israel,
    17.5 then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman who has committed that wicked thing unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones till they die.
    17.6 At the mouth of two witnesses or three witnesses shall he that is worthy of death be put to death, but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
    Stonning to death punishment for disobidient sons.
    21.21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, so that he die. So shalt thou put evil away from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear.

    Stonning to death punishment for non virgin women.
    22.20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel, (unmarried women)
    22.21 then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die, because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house; so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

    Death punishment for adultery.
    22.22 “If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman and the woman; so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
    Stoning to death punishment for virgin women for adultery.
    22.23 If a damsel who is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her in the city and lie with her,
    22.24 then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones, that they die — the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city, and the man,because he hath humbled his neighbor’s wife; so thou shalt put away evil from a
    Deuteronomy 13:6-9 “If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.”

    If you still do not see my point than i really cant help you.

    Now you say that the concept of Jihad is unique to Islam, Errr wrong again. Again right from the start of Christianity people of others faiths have been forced to convert or die very much like what ISIS is doing now.Here is just a short list of crimes committed by Christians in the name of their faith.

    15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
    1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
    1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31]
    1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
    17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, “cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals… and then dumped him into the river […but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [… and] dragged what was left … to the gallows of Montfaulcon, ‘to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows’.” [SH191]
    17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. “In a single church fifty women were found beheaded,” reported poet Friedrich Schiller, “and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers.” [SH191]
    17th century 30 years’ war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]

    I can fill 10 pages if you really want a list. Point is at this juncture in the history of men Islam is the new Christianity. It is an offshoot of the same dumb ass belief system with origins that are linked and intertwined. In other words they are the same and the sooner both are removed from this planet the better.

    I agree that the Greeks were bloody and violent and all that you describe. I never said that they were not. I simply suggested that the values that modern Christianity has recently adopted has some of its origins in Ancient Greece. What i meant was things like democracy. With democracy comes equal rights, value for humanity etc. Of course the current Western values is a mixture of a lot of cherry picking from many cultures and one cannot point at just one source. Above all it is basic common sense. If want needs a 3000 year old book to tell him that killing is wrong and stealing is wrong, killing someone for not believing your way is wrong than that person needs help.

    Finally yes i hate Christianity and as i have just demonstrated with good reason. It is a hypocritical belief system which is based on pure horse manure. But i hate Islam more and have no particular love for any one of the organized religions. They all a disguised ways of mind control and a stumbling block to free thinking and values based on our common needs as humans . They are a disgrace to the very essence of what a loving creator would want from its creation.

  55. why? says:

    Ali Sina says:
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    Once you read that book you won’t be too bothered by the alleged violence in the Old Testament. They are fairy tales.
    =================================================

    I am NOT sure which part of violence of old testament you consider as fairy tale? Can you clarify Ali Sina?

    Here are list of violent things your jeebus mentioned from old testament, that jeebus himself thinks is NO fairy tale…Please fell free to pick and chose what you want to believe about your fictional jeebus character in your mind.

    1. Slavery

    2. Stoning for adultery (adulterous woman story from gospels)

    3. Stoning children (as god given law) for disobeying parents..

    Matthew 15:3

    For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; [a] and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’

    Jeebus himself admits that God commanded these laws.

    4. All old testament laws which jeebus himself believed in.

    In addition, Jeebus mentions Moses explicitly in many places in gospels and believes literally in many OT stories about Moses, including Moses as Law giver (every violent barbaric law like stoning).

    John 6:32

    Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven.

    John 7:23
    “If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?

    Mark 12:26 `And concerning the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the Book of Moses (at The Bush), how God spake to him, saying, I [am] the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob;

    Luke 20:37Young’s Literal Translation (YLT)

    37 `And that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the Bush, since he doth call the Lord, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob;

    John 3:14

    14 `And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up,

    Matthew 12:40 (NASB95)

    40 for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    Matthew 24:37–38 (NASB95)

    37 “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.

    38 “For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,

    Matthew 23:35 (NASB95)

    35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

    SO LETS RECAPITULATE WHAT FAIRY TALES JEEBUS LITERALLY BELIEVED FROM OLD TESTAMENT

    1. SLAVERY

    2. STONING FOR ADULTERY AND DISOBEYING PARENTS

    3. GOD THROUGH MOSES GAVE BREAD OR MANNA FROM HEAVEN. CIRCUMCISION TOO.

    4. LAWS OF MOSES IN GENERAL IS FROM GOD AT THE BURNING BUSH

    5. ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB ARE REAL PEOPLE JUST LIKE MOSES IS.

    6. MOSES made a serpent in wilderness.

    7. jeebus believed in STORY OF NOAH (Matthew 24:37–38 (NASB95) )

    8. JEEBUS BELIEVED IN STORY OF JONAH AS REAL (Matthew 12:40)

    9. JEEBUS BELIEVED THAT ABEL IS REAL (Matthew 23:35) IMPLIES THAT JEEBUS BELIEVED IN ADAM, EVE (Matthew 19:4–6) AND CAIN AS WELL.

    NOW ALI SINA,

    WILL YOU BE HONEST AND ANSWER ME, HOW YOU SELECT WHICH PART OF OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS ARE FAIRY TALES AND WHICH PART ARE NOT?

    YOU BELIEVE JEEBUS IS REAL CHARACTER WHO COMES AND SAVES PEOPLE THROUGH NDEs.

    SO WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT JEEBUS BELIEVING IN SO MANY FAIRY TALES FROM OLD TESTAMENT, CASE IN POINT ADAM, EVE, ABEL WHO IS EXPLICITLY MENTIONED BY JEEBUS IN GOSPELS (Matthew 23:35)?

    I HOPE I DID NOT OPEN A CAN OF WORMS HERE…

  56. why? says:

    Ali Sina says:
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    If you distill the message of Christ to one word that word is love. If you have love in your heart you have Christ in you. It does not matter whether you call yourself a Christian, an atheist or even a Muslim.

    The third time I read it is now after I became a Christian. This time I can see the superiority of this book to any other book I read so far.
    =================================

    Apparently you do not know how to read/understand then?

    What is so radical about this “love” this jeebus has taught that no other person in history has come up with?

    Every christian will say only jeebus taught “love” your “enemies”….But is this truth?

    What is “love” anyway as per your definition here? “Agape” a Greek word is defined as “fatherly love”, which is the word used by jeebus.

    Any cursory reading of NT will show that jeebus asked to clothe, feed hungry and to be merciful. Is this some great teaching that was NOT available anywhere in the world before jeebus taught it?

    Most eastern religions teach this as preliminary step towards spirituality.

    =======================
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%81na

    Dāna (Sanskrit: दान) means giving, often in the context of donation and charity.

    Ralph T. H. Griffith, for example, translates Book 10, Hymn 117 of the Rig veda as follows:

    The Gods have not ordained hunger to be our death: even to the well-fed man comes death in varied shape,
    The riches of the liberal never waste away, while he who will not give finds none to comfort him,
    The man with food in store who, when the needy comes in miserable case begging for bread to eat,
    Hardens his heart against him, when of old finds not one to comfort him.

    Bounteous is he who gives unto the beggar who comes to him in want of food, and the feeble,
    Success attends him in the shout of battle. He makes a friend of him in future troubles,
    No friend is he who to his friend and comrade who comes imploring food, will offer nothing.

    Let the rich satisfy the poor implorer, and bend his eye upon a longer pathway,
    Riches come now to one, now to another, and like the wheels of cars are ever rolling,
    The foolish man wins food with fruitless labour: that food – I speak the truth – shall be his ruin,
    He feeds no trusty friend, no man to love him. All guilt is he who eats with no partaker.

    Living creatures get influenced through dānam,
    Enemies lose hostility through dānam, (NOTE THIS ABOUT ENEMIES)
    A stranger may become a loved one through dānam,
    Vices are killed by dānam.

    — A Hindu Proverb,

    An assurance unto all creatures with love and affection and abstention from every kind of injury, acts of kindness and favor done to a person in distress, whatever gifts are made without the giver’s ever thinking of them as gifts made by him, constitute, O chief of Bharata’s race, the highest and best of gifts (dāna).

    — The Mahabharata, XIII.59

    Jainism

    Dana is, as with Hindu texts like Mitaksara and Vahni Purana and in Buddhist texts, described as a virtue and duty in Jainism.[51] It is considered an act of compassion, and must be done with no desire for material gain.[52] Four types of Dana are discussed in the texts of Jainism: Ahara-dana (donation of food), Ausadha-dana (donation of medicine), Jnana-dana (donation of knowledge) and Abhaya-dana (giving of protection or freedom from fear, asylum to someone under threat).[
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    Even the barbaric old testament says “love your enemies”, ie. feed them etc.

    Mishlei – Proverbs – Chapter 25

    21 If your enemy is hungry, feed him bread, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink;

    22 for you will be scooping coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you.

    This same verse is quoted by Paul in NT.

    Romans 12:20

    On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”

    =====================================================

    As you can see, taking care of fellow men, whether enemies or friends, is there in most of the religions.

    SO JEEBUS TEACHING “LOVE YOUR ENEMIES”, WHICH jeebus COPIED FROM OLD TESTAMENT, IS NO UNIQUE TEACHING OTHER RELIGIONS DO NOT POSSESS.

    ALI SINA,

    I AM REALLY CURIOUS WHAT YOU FOUND SO SUPERIOR IN THIS NEW TESTAMENT THAT YOU DID NOT FIND ANYWHERE ELSE.

    I KNOW THIS IS NOTHING BUT EVANGELISM AND BLIND BELIEF, JUST AS RON ONCE CLAIMED POSITIVE (PRESCRIPTIVE) GOLDEN RULE IS FOUND ONLY IN CHRSTIANITY AND ONLY TAUGHT BY JEEBUS, UNTIL I PROVED IT TO BE OTHERWISE.

  57. Dennis says:

    Many people have warped ideas about religion and the Almighty, most are limited by their own paradigm; if we seek advice from the wise we may eventually understand. This is a clip that I find quite enlightening and I hope others do too; http://www.aish.com/sp/pg/How-I-Knew-I-Wasnt-a-Loser.html?s=mm

  58. Phoenix says:

    @Madjifan

    First of all lets get one fact straight. Christianity is in no way or form a peaceful religion. Their are over 800 violent versus in the Bible as compared to close to 300 in the Quran. Most if not all the Quranic horrors from the removing of hands and feet to stoning and the subjugation of women is copied from the Bible//

    Personally, I do not believe that any book is the literal word of God but I do object to your claim about the cutting off of theives hands is a biblical derived concept. Neither is Jihad inspired by the Bible. There is no equivallence of Islamic terror anywhere. The core concepts of Jihad such as kill and be killed, reward of sex slaves in heaven for martyrs, establishing a universal religious government, propogating religion via the sword and slavery, humiliating non-believers is unique to Islam.
    ===
    The fact that most modern Christians are peaceful is largely attributed to basic common sense and largely secular/western values which has its origins as far back as ancient Greece.Any one who denies this either has not studied the 2 Bibles,is illiterate or just an ignorant fool//

    Firstly, the “illiterate or just an ignorant fool” categories is a false dichotomy fallacy, especially since you’ve ignored the numerous bloody Greek wars, slavery, proto-racism, human sacrifice and infanticide that were common during that period. Secondly, if secular is defined as Atheism then also false. it did not take these Secularists/Atheists that long to hand over their countries to muslims.
    ===

    Most Christians do not believe in the caricature of a sky man sitting on a throne. And I have no reason to believe Ali Sina is a fundamentalist spreading biblical literalism. Perhaps your hatred of Christianity has clouded your judgment.

  59. Ali Sina says:

    Madfijian,
    If you believe in the survival of the soul, you are on your way to truth. There is no point for me to talk about Jesus because you will come to discover him sooner or later. Just read more the stories of NDE.
    Now in regards to the Bible, don’t get too boggled by it. Ignore it for now. Much of that book is fairy tale anyway. You may be interested to read the book Who Wrote the Bible Richard Friedman. Once you read that book you won’t be too bothered by the alleged violence in the Old Testament. They are fairy tales. They never happened. However, I still find gens of wisdom in the OT. As I often said, it is like a gold mine. In the best gold mines there is more dirt than gold. You will know how to separate god for dirt even when most people don’t.
    And the Gospels are also written by humans. So take that with a grain of salt. If you find something that make no sense, it is likely the misunderstanding of the writer or maybe the reader. But if you are a seeker, you can find absolute beauty in the words of Jesus. A kind of wisdom that it took me decades of search to find and now I see it is there in that very book that I derided as not fit for rational people.
    The first time I read the Bible I was 14. My father had it in his library. At that time, I thought it is a joke. The second time I read it was after I read the Quran and rejected it. This time I found the Bible quite interesting but not something for me. The third time I read it is now after I became a Christian. This time I can see the superiority of this book to any other book I read so far.
    So now I understand what Jesus meant when he said don’t throw pearl in front of the pigs.

  60. Dennis says:

    The final verses of the book of Revelation warn that anything added subsequent to that book is false, Revelation 22:18 that includes the Quran which was written six centuries later.

  61. madfijian says:

    To Sam/Ali and others.

    First of all lets get one fact straight. Christianity is in no way or form a peaceful religion. Their are over 800 violent versus in the Bible as compared to close to 300 in the Quran. Most if not all the Quranic horrors from the removing of hands and feet to stoning and the subjugation of women is copied from the Bible. The fact that most modern Christians are peaceful is largely attributed to basic common sense and largely secular/western values which has its origins as far back as ancient Greece.
    Any one who denies this either has not studied the 2 Bibles,is illiterate or just an ignorant fool.

    I am sorry Ali Sina you have just fallen out of the frying pen into the hell fire from which a religion like Islam was born. Prove me wrong using the Bible both of it as they are both integral to Christianity. None of this Jesus is love BS as he endorsed all the violence of the old testament and if he is indeed God than he was the same God who inspired Moses to write the old book and all the commandments of stoning and hand cutting would have been his orders.

    Sam i left Islam and usually the first reaction an apostate goes through is they stop believing in the men in the sky.My Journey to find empirical evidence of survival has been extensive and long.

    While dumb Christians like to focus on a few NDS’S where people saw Jesus i have studied in great detail all the evidence of survival from NDE’S, DEATH BED VISIONS, MEDIUM SHIP, APPARITIONS, NDE’S OF BLIND PEOPLE, OF GROUP NDE’S AND, evidence of reincarnation,HAVE ALSO ATTENDED PHYSICAL SEANCES.

    I urge you to find Chris Carters 3 part book on survival of consciousness and read,read through doctor Pimm Van Lommels study on NDE’s. Look at the still unexplained Pam Reynolds case. Their is also a great book by Victor Zammit on the subject. Believe me i have done a lot of research on the subject and experienced so many things that defies logic by miles.

    The conclusion i have reached is that their appears to be an energy source or “God” if you may and it is pure energy of which we are all a part of. Contrary to popular belief it does not seem to be sitting ON HIS THRONE promising hell fire and brimstone to anyone who does not obey his rules. The point is their is something beyond death that much i am sure off. How it fits into the greater scheme of things i am still trying to find out. Although i have a general understanding of it is hard to put into words.

    While i agree with Sam that organized religion is just plain dumb and no one is better than the other i urge you to re look at the evidence of the afterlife because it is not as simple as you may think.

  62. why? says:

    Sam,

    I will ask you to read the following paper, which demolishes all claims made by these christians who claim NDE is evidence of afterlife.

    Occam’s Chainsaw: Neuroscientific Nails in the Coffin of Dualist Notions of the Near-death Experience (NDE)
    Dr. Jason J Braithwaite & Hayley Dewe MSc

    I provided an example of Muslim NDE, where a christian woman saw jeebus and asked her to follow Islam.

    www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=B4tsHQFmR2s

    Jesus told me to convert to Islam (TALK ABOUT CRAZY NDEs)

    Ali Sina quite conveniently rejects this story as influenced by satan.

    Is this how one rationally treats evidences? ALi Sina is asking atheists to rationally consider evidence for NDE. However, ALi Sina will use faith based arguments to reject NDEs that are against his belief. So much for rationality of this guy

    Here is another one, where a Chinese guy experiences another Muslim NDE and becomes muslim. What is Ali Sina’s argument against this?

    www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=O1nke9Tqf54

    Back From Death ~ Story Of a Chinese ‘Millionaire’ Become Muslim (Chinese getting islamic NDEs now thats crazy one)

    Hindus see Hindu NDEs, chrstians/islamists see christian/islamist NDEs based on what they believe sub-consciously.

    CLEARLY A RATIONAL EXPLANATION FOR SUCH PHENOMENON AS NDEs IS THESE ARE HALLUCINATIONS AS SEEN IN SYNCOPE AND RECORDED IN JOURNAL PAPERS.

  63. Phoenix says:

    @Sam

    PS: I’ve recently finished my brief refutation of the 5 most common objections against NDEs on my blog. I suspect your position on the matter to be numbers 3 and 4:

    3. The Ketamine/Medication Theory:
    This theory can be easily refuted in four reasons:
    (i) One cannot build a coherent theory of NDEs on a psychopharmacological basis because not all subjects were under medication, and in any case the effects of different drugs vary endlessly.
    (ii) Another objection strengthened by the fact ketamine is no longer in general medical use, whilst subjects still continue to report NDEs.
    (iii)The type of experiences induced by ketamine are mostly negative. Here’s a list of some effects of ketamine:
    – feeling happy and relaxed
    – feeling detached from your body
    – hallucinations
    – confusion and clumsiness
    – increased heart rate and blood pressure
    – slurred speech and blurred vision
    – anxiety, panic and violence
    – vomitting
    – lowered sensitivity to pain

    *Note that two or perhaps three of the above effects are shared by NDEs. That does not even meet the standard for a preponderance of evidence.

    (iii) Ketamine and most other anesthetic drugs were invented in the 20th century, despite the fact of reports that people were experiencing NDEs since the time of Plato.
    ======================================================
    4. Temporal Lobe Seizure (TLS) Theory:
    Temporal Lobe Seizures are caused by abnormal electrical discharges in the brain, which may cause auditory and visual hallucinations. The Mayo Clinic lists the following symptoms:
    -A sudden sense of unprovoked fear
    -A deja vu experience — a feeling that what’s happening has happened before
    -A sudden or strange odor or taste
    -A rising sensation in the abdomen
    -Loss of awareness of surroundings
    -Staring
    -Lip smacking
    -Repeated swallowing or chewing
    -Unusual finger movements, such as picking motions

    Much like the drug theory, TLS or even electrical stimulation of the temporal lobe does not seem to resemble NDEs, perhaps only 2 or 3 features may seem congruent with NDEs. First, TLS typically involve sensory delusions involving the site or location of objects in the environment, auditory illusions and feelings of remoteness and detachment: not at all what is reported by NDErs. Second, negative feelings usually predominate when seizure activity occurs in the temporal lobe, leading to expressions of fear, sadness and loneliness. Such negative emotions contrast sharply with the overwhelmingly positive feelings of bliss, peace and joy reported by NDErs. Third, the nature and intensity of visual and auditory hallucinations produced by temporal lobe epilepsy – including horrible and threatening presences, contrasting sharply with the majority of accounts by NDErs. Fourth, the random nature of many thoughts and emotions evoked by seizure activity in the temporal lobe including forced thinking and random ideas crowding the mind in an obtrusive and unwelcomed way. Again, NDEs lack such confusion and mental congestion, instead being characterized by clarity and mental lucidity. A final contention is that the temporal lobe could not be responsible for producing the “life review” feature because stimulation of the lobe involves ‘a random single event of no particular significance’: a far cry from the apparently purposive nature of the life review as reported by NDErs.

  64. Phoenix says:

    @Sam

    None of what you wrote goes beyond any conjecture. Asserting ‘delusion’ as a premise has zero evidentiary value. You simply cannot prove that a belief in a single and necessary First Cause is a mental disorder. Your rejection of philosophical evidence is irrational and without proper justification. Your insistence on providing (material) proof for a non-material claim is a logical failure as well.

  65. Ali Sina says:

    @Sam

    Do you think denial of evidence is rational? The evidence of afterlife and the survival of consciousness is beyond denial. You can keep your eyes shut and shout you can’t see the Sun. If you don’t look you never see. That is not because there is no evidence but because you are obstinate. There is nothing we can do to help you. All I can do is to provide the evidence and I have a dozen of them here. There are thousands like these.

    http://alisina.org/?p=3869

    Watch these videos and don’t run to google search to see what other materialists have said so you can rehash that and ignore the evidence. That behavior is fit for Muslims. These videos provide undeniable evidence.

    I did not set up to find God. I did not pray to Jesus, and I did not care to believe. But I had the intellectual integrity to accept the undeniable evidence that was contrary to everything I believed. That is what fanatical materialists lack. They do not want to look into the evidence because they have made their mind that there is nothing to be found and therefor why waste even five minute of their time. This is the acme of ignorance.

  66. Ali Sina says:

    @Gezza,

    Yes indeed it is a mystery. One NDEr asked God what is the meaning of it all. All he got was a big laughter. God told him this is what everyone asks. He did not answer the question, but said, when it is your time and come back Home permanently I will explain everything. Here is that testimony.
    https://youtu.be/AziiHUZY71Y

    As for those who come to this world with some sort of mental disorder or die in infancy, it is my understanding that this is the kind of experience they need. This world is not the end. It is only where we gain the necessary experience.

    One woman said, she did not have a NDE but one day saw her son, whom she had miscarriage some 16 years earlier. He was now a teenager standing behind his dad who was playing piano. The father did not notice him but the mother saw him and recognized him. He smiled and told her mother that his death was pre planned. He never wanted to be born but to only become their son so he could help them from above. Those few months in the wombs was all the experience that he needed.

    I believe those who are born with mental handicap also need that kind of experience. This much is clear that nothing is left to accident or chance. Everything happened for a reason.

    I really encourage everyone to read as many as NDE stories as you can. It is very fogy but gradually things start making some sense.

  67. Sam says:

    All of you who write about God, the afterlife and Satan… are just as delusional as Muslims. I really find it mind boggling that you guys found God and you are so sure of it. Don’t you see from history and present life that there is no proof of your imaginary God? Besides philosophical idea, you have absolutely nothing to offer except dreams. People, be real!

  68. Ron says:

    Hi Gezza,

    If you earnestly and sincerely pray “Jesus if you are real, then reveal yourself to me through dreams and visions and confirm these visions and dreams and I will follow you.and if you do not answer me then I will follow my own way” Please pray for at least one week. Though if you pray with sincerity and search for Christ then he will reach out to you.. It will be much faster than your expectation.

    Enjoy this video of an Iranian Muslim Leader who found Lord Jesus Christ….Dr. Daniel Shayesteh

  69. Gezza says:

    @ Ali. Thanks. I like your thinking on these issues. It doesn’t explain what happens to the consciousness or spiritual development of people who suffer permanent brain damage, or who suffer from conditions like paranoid schizophrenia and kill people. Nor does it answer the question why a creator, if one exists, would actually want to create a universe with conscious beings. Simple boredom? Is it all just a kind of cosmic computer game assigning & reassigning players to different roles as they develop spiritually to pass the time?

    The notion that when we die – if we qualify for entry to heaven – we thereafter spend our time in a paradise enjoying heavenly bliss endlessly praising our creator seems not really worthy of such a creator. If there really is a purpose to our lives on earth and an existence after death I imagine there is some further point to it than a creator’s narcissism. Perhaps those who “qualify” continue to evolve spiritually towards their own eventual divine existence, and the ability to create their own universes, themselves. Who knows? It’s definitely life’s biggest mystery. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. I’ll continue my study of as many NDE’s as possible. They certainly seem worthy of attention.

  70. A.H. says:

    “Can Christians View Muhammad As A Prophet?”

    In John 4:22 Jesus says: salvation is from the Jews.

    Thus, a Christian cannot view a self-invented-prophet as a savior.

    He is an arab!

  71. Ali Sina says:

    @Gezza
    While I don’t have any pretense to understand the nature of reality, my little understanding so far makes me believe that God does not have His hand on everything and this universe is set on autopilot.
    God’s nature is consciousness and consciousness has a substance. This substance is the mother of all things. The material world is created through consciousness. However, consciousness cannot manipulate the matter unless by occupying it. If you compare the material world to the hardware of a computer, and the consciousness to the software, you know that the hardware can only work if there is a piece of software behind it. The software is invisible while it runs everything behind the scene.
    Likewise, the software is powerless without the hardware. If the hardware breaks down the software is not affected but it does not run.
    So, in order for the consciousness to operate in this world, it needs a body. That is why we come to this world. We come here in a body in order to interact with it. As spirit or consciousness you can go through the door but you can’t turn the knob and open the door. So there is a trade off when we come to this world. We lose some of our power and we gain some other sets of powers.
    It seems to me that we are actually fractals of God. While we are completely independent and free we are also part of God. An example I can think of is the cells that make your body. While each cell is independent and an individual entity, it also is part of you. The only difference is that while you will be diminished if a portion of your body is cut off God does not diminish when souls separate from Him. The concept of adding and subtraction applies only to the material world. It has no meaning in the spiritual world. Information cannot be created or lost. It can only be rearranged.
    So if God is of the same substance that we are made of He too needs a body if he wants to interact in the material world, which He does not have.
    God has created this universe but he cannot violate the laws that govern it. This is easy to demonstrate. For example God cannot add 2+2 and get 5 as the result. If He can’t violate the laws of mathematics, he also cannot violate the laws of physics. So he cannot lift a stone or perform magical acts.
    I understand that this is not the conventional thinking. It is my thinking and I may be wrong. However the conventional thinking also leaves a lot of questions unanswered.
    So things that happen in this world are really beyond the control of God. God does not like cruelty, injustice and evil. But He cannot stop them because these things are done by conscious beings and conscious beings are free.
    God wants to stop the evil. The only way to do that is to convince free souls to do it. He wants to hire us to do His work. If you want to work for God, you have to submit your will to Him freely. Ask Him to use you as His instrument to do His work.
    That is how God can intervene in the world — through us and believe it or not even through animals. Animals don’t have prophets but they have consciousness and can do evil or be kind just as us. They are also fractals of God and part of Him. We are all made in the semblance of God, whether human, animals or plants.
    There is one more thing that I learned. Life in this world is not supposed to be easy. The whole point of coming to this world is to face its challenges. It is through facing the challenges that we can grow spiritually. For example, our soul has to acquire forgiveness. You can’t learn forgiveness in heaven because to forgive you have to face cruelty and injustice first. There is no cruelty or injustice in heaven. Our soul has to acquire generosity. You can’t practice generosity in heaven because there is no one in need. You need to acquire patience. You can’t learn that in heaven because in heaven there is no time.
    All the spiritual qualities are acquired in this world. That is the whole point of us coming here. We decided to come here and to face the challenges because we wanted to grow spiritually. So, don’t think as difficulties as curses but rather as opportunities to grow spiritually.

  72. Viral Desai says:

    Dear Ali

    There is no concept of heaven and he’ll. You simply reborn!!! It is based what you want to accomplish and the amount of efforts you have put in!!! It is all system driven. That’s why some people are born with silver spoon and some with no spoon. But for this only the individual is responsible and nobody else. For example if you want to play Grand Same you have to go through lot of training and follow ATP guidelines. The same is applicable in life. Everything is very clear. It is up to us how to achieve the objectives. It’s also possible to travel to different planet but then we should know the path.Universe is massive. We know very little about that.

  73. mubarak ali says:

    please, do,t missguide to people with your little knowledge is dengerous for evere.

  74. Gezza says:

    @ Ali. Thanks for your reply. I was brought up as a Catholic, saw much hypocrisy in it, and became an atheist in my late teens. I got fascinated in my early twenties by the universe reading about Cosmology, Quantum Physics and Evolution. I read the book Life after Life around the same time and became an agnostic. I considered it possible our consciousness survives our physical death, and might be what people have historically and in all cultures seem have a concept of as our essence, our personality, soul or spirit. While we clearly think inside our heads, thoughts and feelings seemed to be sort of states independent of our brain. It also seemed possible there was a creator, but one who doesn’t intervene in universal or earthly affairs.

    I watched the years-long deterioration and eventual death while still quite young of my wife, from a cascade of different medical conditions .I even tried praying in desperation to God or “whoever” or “whatever” for her to be healed, but to no avail. I tried really hard to see if I could feel her presence in the hospital when she passed, and when I came home, but with no result, so I eventually reverted to atheism again, as life seemed to be so pointless and to just suddenly end at physical death. Still, I haven’t been able to stay in the atheist mind frame. There are always three questions bubbling away in my mind – who or what started the universe, why, and why do we have consciousness?

    Anyway, you’ve got me interested in reading the Bible, and in reading people’s Near Death Experiences. I have become more selfish and less likely to help others since the death of my wife. In fact I’ve noticed that in general people where I live seem to care less about each other and their community and their neighbours than they used to. I put it down to how society has generally been develop the cult of the selfie. But it doesn’t feel right, so I’m going to try changing that.

  75. yash7197 says:

    ISLAM CANNOT WITHSTAND TRUTH, ONLY TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE.

  76. Assta B. Gettu says:

    Dear Ali Sina,

    Ignoring the sufferings of millions of Christians, venal politicians and Church leaders “take the side of Islam and Muslims” for obvious reasons: The Saudi petrol money is one of the reasons that blinds
    their eyes to overlook the cries of the poor. Almost all the United States’ colleges and universities receive millions of dollars from the Saudi kingdom, and, perhaps, even some of the Church officials.

    I know Pope, Merkel, and Obama are not stupid to ignore the huge amount of money they receive from the Saudis in order to protect Muslims and to propagate the teachings of the prophet Muhammad as a big favor for the Saudis, but they are totally blind and stupid for having not read the divine words of the Almighty God in the Holy Bible that says:

    “Do not pervert justice or show partiality. Do not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists the words of the innocent” (Deuteronomy 16:19).

    It is shocking to see the Pope of Rome standing together with a Muslim cleric as if the Muslim cleric were a friend to the Christians and a believer in Jesus Christ. The Pope may not know what the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Asheikh, once said on March 15, 2012. This is what he said: “It is ‘necessary to destroy all the churches’ in the region, implying that no other religion besides Islam will be tolerated on the Arabian Peninsula – as there are currently no churches in Saudi Arabia.’”

    In my view, the Pope is more stupid than Merkel and Obama!

    By the way, the White House announces Barak Hussein Obama will be attending the United States Muslim Mosque services next week, and it is expected he will perform wudu – the ritual washing to be performed in preparation for prayer and worship. And I am sure he is going to make the following statements:

    1. Islam is a religion of peace.
    2. America is not at war with Islam.
    3. The Holy Quran says if a Muslim man kills another soul, it is as if he had saline mankind entirely.
    4. The Muslims have contributed to the world the concept of algebra and calligraphy.
    5. Islam is the fastest growing religion: There are about 1.6 billion Muslims.
    6. The American Muslims have been here for almost 300 years.
    7. The American Muslims have made America one of the most powerful nations in the world.
    8. America is no more a Christian nation.
    9. Those who slander the Prophet Muhammad will be persecuted.
    10. We know there are some bigoted and Islamophic Americans, and we can expose them to the public.

    And I am sure he is going to praise the American Muslims lavishly and humiliate the Christians and Christianity.

    Stay tune!

  77. Ali Sina says:

    @Gezza,

    I know what you mean. I was an atheist until just over two years ago. I think I lived a decent life and I don’t believe I was working for Satan. Like you I was offended when Christians said only Christians will go to heaven.
    So I need to explain myself. I don’t believe only Christians will go to heaven or anyone who is not a Christians is automatically working for Satan. Salvation is not in the name. It is in the heart. I believe I was a Christian even when I was a Muslim or an atheist. If you distill the message of Christ to one word that word is love. If you have love in your heart you have Christ in you. It does not matter whether you call yourself a Christian, an atheist or even a Muslim.
    God has at least as much commonsense as you and I. So please give Him some credit. If something sounds contrary to commonsense that thing is not from God. God does not send people to hell because they had the misfortune to be born in an Islamic family and were raised as a Muslim. But if you actually believe in Muhammad and start hating people, killing and raping them your place is hell. You can even call yourself a Christian. If you have hate in your heart Jesus will disown you. Remember Matthew 7:21 where Jesus said, “Not everyone that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven?” He said, “He who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”
    What is the will of our heavenly father? He explained that too in Matthew 25:40, where he said, “Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”
    Christianity is one word: Love! If you love others, serve your fellow being and ease other people’s pain you have Christ in you. He will save you even if you never heard his name. You can even love animals and the effect is the same. Love is love. God is in all being, not just in humans.
    No one will go to heaven without love. That is the meaning of John 14:6 that says “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”
    If you love others, you don’t need to fear for God loves those who love. If you love you belong to Jesus and who knows he may come and bring you to his fold. I had love for people and for animals in my heart, but I was an atheist. Jesus did not disown me because I did not believe in him. He went out of his way, came after me and saved this one lost sheep just as he promised in Luke 15:4.
    Have love in your heart and sooner or later Christ will come after you. When you love you belong to Jesus. He never leaves behind his own fold.

  78. Gezza says:

    Dr Ali Sina that’s a rather odd claim that if you turn away from Christ you work for Satan automatically. I have no love for Islam or Muhammad. But the Old Testament of the Bible paints a pretty awful picture of a vengeful Jewish God, and a rather muddled picture of Jesus alternately promising a rich heaven and threatening eternal punishment in an awful hell as well. It’s not that surprising some people choose to believe neither. I find it hard to believe such people living a good life, treating everyone respectfully, & doing no harm to others are working for Satan. I know several such people.

  79. Ali Sina says:

    “Political leaders always lie and deceive their people, and the same is true with spiritual leaders.”

    That is what was puzzling to me. You can’t say that Pope, Merkel and Obama are stupid. So what makes them to so brazenly take the side of Islam and Muslims and totally ignore the plight of the Christians who are the victims of Islam. Do you know that it is almost impossible for Christians to get refugee status in USA and in most EU countries while Muslims are given preferential treatment in all these countries? Do you know that if you are an apostate asking for refugee status, your claim will be rejected and you could be sent back to your Islamic country to be executed. I don’t know what happened to Imran Firasat or whether he is alive.

    Recently there was an uproar on the Internet because a 17 years old girl in Germany used pepper spray to save herself from a Muslim man who wanted to rape her and the police charged the girl for carrying unauthorized weapon.

    Or remember that in UK hundreds of girls were systematically raped by Muslims while police hid that and covered it up for years.

    Why do you think these things are happening? They defy logic until you realize the entire power structure is controlled by Satan. They don’t even know it but when you turn away from Christ you work for Satan automatically. So almost all the institutions of power, the media, the academia, the governments, the police (particularly the police) the churches, the movie and entertainment industry are all working for Satan.

    The Devil does not have a church, He uses the institutions of power to control the world.

  80. Assta B. Gettu says:

    Say: many Christians by terrorist…

  81. Assta B. Gettu says:

    Dr. Ali Sina,

    You stated: “The Vatican has stopped caring about Christ and the Christians and more concerned to defend Islam.”
    What you are saying is there was a time when the Vatican was the caretaker of Christ and the defender of the Christians. Am I right?

    The Vatican has never cared about Christ and the Christians, and that is why in 1517 Martin Luther attacked the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church about Christ and the Christians. The Catholic Church then believed indulgences could absolve sin instead of believing only Christ can remove sins from the sinners. Hundreds of Christians had been tormented and killed by the Catholic Church, and the term used for the excruciating sufferings of the Christians by the Roman Catholic Church was “inquisition.” Therefore, the Catholic Church has never cared about Christ and the Christians.

    On the other hand, you are right the Catholic Church is more concerned to defend Islam than Christianity.

    On November 30, 2014, Pope Francis stated in public: “It is wrong to equate Islam with violence,” ignoring the sufferings and the beheading of many, many Christians terrorist Muslims. In this case, the Pope deserves to be dubbed anti-Christ and anti-Christians.

    Few weeks ago, Angela Merkel of Germany said: “Islam belongs to Germany,” and in the same way, Pope Francis is saying, “I am the Imam of the Muslims and Islam belongs to Rome.”

    President Obama praises the Muslims and their prophet Muhammad by telling the Americans that Islam is a religion of peace.

    Political leaders always lie and deceive their people, and the same is true with spiritual leaders.

    May God save us from being subjected to their corrupt leaderships!

  82. Ali Sina says:

    @A.H.
    Can you deny that Islam is from Satan? There is no doubt about that, unless one is ignorant of Islam or like this Catholic person is possessed by the spirit of Satan. Apart from his article on Huffington Post I watched a few of his videos. He is on the dark side and there is no question about it.
    Now tell me why the Pope is so eager to pose with Muslim clerics and sponsor so many interfaith events with Muslims. Jesus who befriended the prostitutes, the tax collectors who worked for the enemy and all sorts of sinners, never robbed shoulders with Pharisees let alone with a satanic cult. What do you think Jesus would have done if he met Muhammad? Would he have shaken hand with him and stood in prayer with that mass murderer ambassador of Satan?
    The Church has lost her way big time. It is no longer the body of Christ and frankly, I doubt it has ever been since the last 1700 years. It is an institution of power, money, corruption and deception.
    I distrust all organized forms of religion but particularly the Catholic Church. I think salvation is personal. We must turn to Christ in the solitude of our homes and pray to God alone. I also believe when more souls join in prayer the effect is multiplied. So it is wonderful that Christians congregate and praise the Lord together. But we must always be watchful not to give too much power to any church for it will be used by Satan. Power corrupts. And the Catholic Church has too much power and very little spirituality.

  83. charlie says:

    Everyone needs to listen to Ali Sina he knows what he’s talking about.

  84. A.H. says:

    Ali,

    “A mere guess but an educated one”

    It is still an assertion.

    “The Vatican has stopped caring about Christ an the Christians and is more concerned to defend Islam”.

    Proof please?

    “This interfaith business is a diabolic thing”.

    The Church can fail in Her politics, buth not in Her believe. Time will learn.

    “Evil is not lack of goodness as I had always thought but a real entity and force”.

    That is what the Church teaches as per 1 Pet 5:8-9:
    Brothers: Be sober and watch: because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goeth about seeking whom he may devour. Whom resist ye, strong in faith.

    “He is in control of most governments, most religions and religious organization and especially the Catholic Church”

    Correct, but as I wrote in a previous post, the gates of Hades will not prevail the Church i.e. the Body of Christ.

    “And don’t ever think that just because you believe you are saved”

    The Church teaches that you can never know you`re saved, only God knows, and one will be saved only by His Grace.

  85. Ali Sina says:

    @ Yes A.H., it is a mere assertion. A mere guess but an educated one. The Vatican has stopped caring about Christ an the Christians and is more concerned to defend Islam. This interfaith business is a diabolic thing. When I was an atheist I thought it is all good and dandy. But now that I am saved by the grace of God I know there is a truth and there is a deception. There is a Holy Spirit and there is a demonic spirit. Evil is not lack of goodness as I had always thought but a real entity and force. I did not believe in Satan. That was to me the most ridiculous primitive thought, even more ridiculous than the belief in God and afterlife. But they are all real. Satan is active and is doing his utmost best to seduce people. He is in control of most governments, most religions and religious organization and especially the Catholic Church, The banks, the media, the movie industry, the academia and even you and me. if we don’t stay in God’s way we fall in Satan’s way. There is no neutral ground. And don’t ever think that just because you believe you are saved. You are tempted from the day that you can walk to they day that you die.

  86. A.H. says:

    “An I can also bet that the Vatican is possessed by the spirit of Satan”

    That is a mere assertion!

    After 2000 year the successor of Saint Peter is still in Rome.

    As per Jesus` promise in Mathew 16 the gates of Hades will not prevail.

  87. Walter Sieruk says:

    The Bible gives the information as to how to find out if a man who claim to be a prophet actual prophet from God for the good of humankind or a false prophet sent from Satan for the terrible harm of humankind. For the Bible in Isaiah 8:20 reads “To the law of the testimony : if they speak nor according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” In other words, prophet or teachings and doctrines and teaching that are in contradiction to the God’s Word, the Bible, then that prophet or teacher is a false teacher or false prophet. So the teachings and doctrines of Muhammad and the religion he started is in denial that Jesus is the Son of God. Being the Son of God, Who is God the Father. This denial is in strong contradiction to the Bible. Which teaches that Jesus is the very son of God. As seen in Matthew 3:16,17. 16:15,16. Luke 1:35. John 3:16,17,36. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13. Muhammad’s religion is also in denial that Jesus is God the Son. This denial is a great contradiction to the Bible which clearly teaches the Jesus is ,indeed, God the Son. as revealed in Hebrews 1:6-8. With emphasis on verse 8. Islam is likewise in denial that Jesus is God. This denial of Islam is terrible contrast to the Bible. For the Bible teaches that Jesus is God. As shown in John 1:1-3. Colossians 1:15-17. Romans 9:5. Second Peter 1:1. Titus 2:13. First John 5:20. Moreover, for a person to further see that Jesus is God is for that person to compare the Old Testament withe New Testament. As in comparing Isaiah 45:22,23 with Philippians 2:5-11. Likewise, by comparing Psalm 89:,8,9 with Matthew 8:23-27. will further confirm the Jesus is God. As also be comparing Psalm 62:5-7 with First Corinthians 10:4. will show Jesus to be God. To further as find out the Jesus is God a person only need to compare the New Testament books together to discover that Jesus is God .As in comparing john 5:22 with John 5;22. reveal the Deity of Jesus. The list can go on this this should be enough, will all who are will to see ,that in the light and information of the Bible that if Muhammad may be truthfully referred to a a “prophet” he was ,in the Bible’s light, a false prophet. As in the type that Jesus warned of the coming of, as Jesus taught “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15. [K.J.V.]

  88. Ali Sina says:

    IK, one of the editors of faithfreedom.org invited Dr. Concidine to debate me. He replied “I don’t debate, I dialogue.”

    Dialogue is conversation between two people. Debate is conversation between two people with opposing views. This is enough to see the integrity of this gentleman and his commitment to truth.
    Obviously he prefers to pontificate without being contradicted.

    I can bet this man is a Muslim, playing taqiyah to deceive the gullible. And I can also bet that the Vatican is possessed by the spirit of Satan.

  89. Assta B. Gettu says:

    Dear Dr. Ali Sina,

    I thank you so much for your impressive work that has inspired millions of people to see the deceptions, the cruelties, the greed, the lust, and the false promises of the imposter Muhammad, the prophet of 1.6 billion misguided Muslims.

    For many years now, you have been tirelessly and without fear for your life warning the Muslims to reject the false prophet Muhammad and accept the truth that Muhammad was not a prophet sent by the Almighty God. And I am certain millions of people have heard your bona fide message, repented their sins, and embraced Jesus Christ, the genuine prophet and the true Son of the Living God.

    Those Muslims who have failed to accept the good news you have been telling them for a number of years will be responsible for failing to understand the truth, and they will die in their sins, and you are not responsible for their death in sin as the Holy Scripture says:

    “But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved” (Ezekiel 33:9).

    Thank you Dr. Sina for the great article, and I wish someone from the Vatican Church would nail it to the door of Saint Peter in Rome. However, in this wicked generation, it is hard to find a courageous person, a person who has the spirit of Martin Luther of Germany.

    I am very disturbed to see the picture of the Roman Pope with the picture of a Muslim Cleric, whatever his name is. I don’t think the Pope of Rome represents St. Peter or Christianity. If that is the case, I should not be surprised by that Catholic man, Dr. Craig Considine, who confuses the false prophet Muhammad with the true prophet of God, Jesus Christ.

    The false prophet Muhammad never brought to this world peace and love, but Jesus did:

    “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid” (John 14:27).

    Jesus gave us the twelve apostles to be our guides and our instructors; on the other hand, the false prophet Muhammad gave us the following terrorists to follow and join them:

    1. ISIS
    2. Boko Haram
    3. Al Qaeda
    4. Hezbollah
    5. Hamas
    6. Al-Shabaab
    7. Muslim Brotherhood
    8. Al-Nusra
    9. OLF
    10. Taliban
    11. ALRA
    12. CAIR and many, many other terrorists

    These terrorist Muslims do exactly what Muhammad the prophet did in Medina and in many other places; therefore, the prophet Muhammad never brought us kindness, mercy, and friendship.

    The Byzantine Emperor, Manuel II Palaiologos, had said it all when he stated the following words unequivocally about the prophet Muhammad:

    “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

    Please continue the good work and never stop telling the Muslims the truth about their prophet Muhammad!

  90. Walter Sieruk says:

    Actually the founder of the religion of Islam, Muhammad, may rightfully be seen by Christians as a prophet. Still, the very most important thing for Christians to understand is that even though Muhammad might had have been a prophet he was not a prophet send by God. Instead, Muhammad was deceptive, lying false prophet send by Satan to lead many people astray . For Jesus had predicted and warned about the coming of such men as Muhammad.For Jesus taught “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing , but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15. The Bible further warns that “many false prophets are gone out into the world.” First John 4:1. [K.J.V.] In addition, there is a Christian internet site which replies to the many claims made by the apologists for Islam. It’s answering-islam.org

  91. red rose says:

    Thank you, Ali, for this great post. I wish you would submit this article to the large news sites like Huffington Post, Fox News, or NBC. I think Fox News will definitely post it.

    I ask you, what can an average Christian do to bring light to this? When I speak to my friends, they think I’m lying and racists. Unfortunately, this is the narrative of the media and everyone is falling for it.

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