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M.F. Rahman vs. Ali Sina 

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2005/03/09

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Dear Mr. Rahman,

You ask: "which was the deciding factor for me to realize Islam is false after reading the Quran?". 

I can’t put my finger on one specific verse as the deciding factor. I was already familiar with most of the Quran reading bits and pieces of it here and there. But when I sat down to actually study this book – and I studied it in Arabic using a couple of English translations to make sure I don't miss anything – it became increasingly evident that the book does not contain any divine wisdom, that it is filled with violence, that it incites hate, and is patently stupid. You read one verse that does not sound right but you want to go on and try to overlook this particular verse searching for the pearls; but instead of pearls you find more dung. After you finish this book you wonder, what the heck it is talking about? Where are the spiritual teachings? Why you are not uplifted and enlightened?

Despite that experience, I did not decide to become an apostate overnight. At that time there were no sites like faithfreedom.org so I could further my studies, I relied entirely on my own resources and went through a period of very hard time of soul searching. I wrote about this difficult experience here. Finally an apostate friend handed me Ali Dashti's "23 Years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Muhammad" :and that book gave me the confirmation that I needed.  

You ask about my religion and deity. I already explained this to your friend Mr. Zakaria. I am a secular humanist and do not believe in any religion or deity. Albeit, I am not an atheist in the strict sense of this word! I believe in the Principle underlying the creation. This is not a being or an entity. It is more like Einstein and Spinoza's God. However, I have no desire to impose my way of thinking on others. I respect people who have a religion and a god to whom they pray and on whom they rely. That is why you never see me criticizing other religions even though I do not believe in them. People have to find their own way and no one said my way is better. Some say religion is but a crutch. My response to them is: If so, who the hell are you to want to take that crutch away from those who need it? 

The reason I oppose Islam is because it is a doctrine of hate and destruction. I do not fight Islam because it is a religion but because it is a political movement much like Nazism and fascism. It only masquerades itself as a religion to advance its political goals. You and I perfectly know that the ultimate goal of Islam is to overthrow the democracies and dominate the world. This is very political and hence the world must fight it politically. We must fight the political Islam; but since the political Islam is Islam, we must fight Islam.  

You try to blame the “pre Islam” practices for the wrongs of Islam. I agree that there is a difference between the pre Islam and post Islam, but I prefer the pre Islam. In pre Islam Arabs were tolerant. Religious animosity was inexistent. Jews, Christians, Sabeans, Zoroastrians, and at least 360 different pagan religions lived side by side. The followers of these religions worked with each other, intermarried and religious wars was unknown to the Arabs. Arabs had tribal quarrels like everywhere else but nothing like when they converted to Islam. With Muhammad the genocide of the Jews and Christians began and the city of Yathrib (Medina) that had been basically founded by the Jews who had lived there for 2000 years, and eventually the whole Arabia was ethnically cleanses by Muhammad and his thugs.  

Arab Women prior to Islam had far more rights. This is true in all Islamic countries. See this article for detail.  

Islam also legitimized the violation of human rights and took away personal freedoms.  

So, pre Islam was much better than after Islam. We can’t keep our head in the sand for ever. We have to acknowledge the source of the problem. The source of the problem is Islam, not Muslims.  

You say: To condemn anyone for his pre-reformation behaviour is perverse.”  Obviously you are not familiar with my writings. I am saying Muhammad was at first almost Christlike. At first he spoke of patience and tolerance. All that changed when he came to power. We don’t know much about Muhammad's  pre “revelation” life. But we know he was completely transformed after he went to Medina and became powerful. Before he was not that bad, but then he became a real monster. Muhammad exemplified the adage "power corrupts"

Muhammad and Allah are one and the same thing, my dear Mr, Rahman. Allah is the figment of Muhammad’s mind. Even if there is a God, he is not Allah and he had nothing to do with Muhammad. Allah is Muhammad’s alter ego. It is like you creating another fictitious Internet id that would come to your help anytime you need him, who would confirm whatever you say and occasionally rebuke you gently and lovingly so you can fool others making them believe you and your fake id are two different persons. Ask Mr. Zakaria, he invented an Internet id who came to our forum and said that Mr. Zakaria is the greatest  philosopher of our time. Now, who but himself would give such a approving mark of him? Now imagine he had convinced us into believing this fake id of him is the greatest authority on Earth. Wouldn't some of us have fallen for the trick. Muhammad used the same trick. His Allah was his own fake id. It was his own alter ego. This is an old trick used by all cult leaders. .  

Instead of threatening me with the punishments that Muhammad’s fake id has in store for me, why don’t you give a single proof that he was actually telling the truth? I am asking you to give me one single proof that Muhammad was indeed a prophet of God and not a liar. There are 1.2 billion Muslims and all I am asking is one single proof that can’t be refuted logically. Are you telling me that you have none? Yes indeed you disappoint me Mr. Rahman. You wrote a book on Islam and now you tell me that you can’t even prove that Muhammad was a prophet? You want me to believe in this man just because he threatened those who do not believe in him with hellfire?  

Why don’t you believe in me? I tell you if you deny my divinity you will be burned in a hell twice as hot as the one Muhammad described. Is that enough? In fact you'll be taken to a place that Muhammad's hell will look like picnic. Is that enough to convince you that I am a messenger of God? 

You have based your faith on a man who has not given you a single proof that he was not lying. All he did is to call those who did not believe in him, deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom” 2:171. When he was pressed for proof he said,

“As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.” 2:6  

In this way he balked and avoided the question altogether. He resorted to ad hominem, he resorted to ad baculum, he resorted to ridicule and scorn but he never answered the question.  

This is pathetic! A billion of you believe in a lie concocted by a psychopath who lived a life filled with crimes, genocide, lust for sex, control and power, and none of you pauses for one minute to wonder if this man was truly a messenger of God why he never gave us any logical proof. What puts this man apart from David Koresh, Jim Jones or Charles Manson who also were charismatic leaders and fooled their followers to commit murder and even suicide to prove their loyalty? Would really the true God send a messenger without any proof?  

Forget about the proof. What about the charges that I have brought against him? Can you disprove any of them? You can’t. No one can. There is a $50,000 dollars reward for anyone who can prove those charges are not true.  If you can’t disprove me, it shows Muhammad was guilty as charged. How can one billion people worship and follow a man who was the embodiment of all the vices?  

Who cares what you believe. What bothers me is that you are promoting your satanic cult and trying to dominate the world. We have to stop you. I don’t give a damn if someone wants to worship snakes, rats, Hobal or Allah. As long as they don't try to take away my freedom and are not trying to dominate the world, people must have the freedom to believe in anything they like. But I can’t close my eyes and do nothing when a bunch of Satan worshippers are spreading their hatred and are bombing and killing innocent people. You are dangerous to the society. You are dangerous to Mankind. You must be unmasked and stopped. You might be misguided but you are now a zombie programmed to kill. There is no rationality in you. I am asking a simple question. Prove that Muhammad was a messenger of God. You can’t. You are willing to talk about anything else but the question that is the core of our discussion. You would rather talk about America, the "Joooos", the crusaders, the Hiroshima, the WWI and WWII but not give one proof that Muhammad was a messenger of God. When it comes to this vital question, all you can do is to resort to threat of hell and tell me if I don’t believe I will have to answer to your bugaboo Allah who is a sadist and will burn people in his cosmic rotisserie for eternity. That is all you have as the "proof". You either call people; deaf, dumb and blind who do not understand, as your prophet did, or you threatened them with punishment for not believing in his lies. If this is not intellectual bankruptcy what is?  

You say: “Know that Muhammad is deemed The Prophet by the Quran”. But isn’t the Quran what this man dictated? What if he was lying? It boils down to this:

 

Muhammad:-
Hey people I am a prophet!

People: - 
Where are your credentials?

Muhammad:
Here is a letter that I have written that says I am a prophet.

People: -  
But this is your own words.

Muhammad: -
No this is what Allah dictated and I wrote it.

People: - 
How can we know you are not lying?

Muhammad: - 
You are deaf, dumb and blind and you’ll burn in hellfire. 2.171. 6.398.2217.97

Stupid people aka Muslims: -  
Whoa! What a convincing argument! We believe.

Muhammad: - 
Now let us go and raid merchant caravans.

Muslims: - 
But isn’t stealing unethical?

Muhammad: - 
No! Because you became poor after following me and are no more working, Allah has given you the right to lay hand on other people’s property. Also they oppressed you. You can kill them. Oppression is worse than killing 2:217  Now let us attack villages without warning and take the population by surprise while they are heedless and their cattle is being watered at places of water. We will kill their fighting men and take their women and children as captives. Remember that the prettiest of the captives is my share. [
Bukhari 3.46.717 ]

Muslims: -  
But isn’t raping married women sin?

Muhammad: -
No! Incidentally Allah sent me a verse this morning saying it is okay to have sex with your right hand possessions.
4:24 So rape them with clear conscience. But always remember that the prettiest captive belongs to Allah and his messenger.  [Bukhari1.8.367

Also from now on you don’t have to practice coitus interruptus. Go ahead and ejaculate inside your victims "for if any soul is predestined to exist, it will exist".  [Bukhari 3.46.718 5.59.459  Abu Dawood 29.29.32.95 29.29.32.96]

 

One day Muhammad was walking with history's greatest fool, Abu Bakr.  

Muhammad: - 
Hey Abu, you got this little girl Aisha. The angel showed her to me in a wet dream and told me she is mine. And you know? "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."
Bukhari 9.87.140  

Abu Bakr trying to protest sheepishly: -  
But Aisha is only 6 years old. She is just a baby. She is still playing with her dolls. [Bukhari 8, 73,151]

Muhammad: -  
Okay you give her to me in marriage and I will wait until she becomes 9 years old before I go to her and give her the surprise of her life [Bukhari7, 62,90] I will give her a different kind of doll to play with. wink, wink!

The great fool Abu Bakr:-    
But I am your brother. 

Muhammad: - 
"You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.". Bukhari 7.6218

 

One day Muhammad goes to visit one of his wives, Hafsah, the daughter of Omar. He sees Mariyah, Hafsah's Coptic maid and becomes horny. He sends Hafsah out telling her, Omar wants to see you. When she goes out, he calls Mariyah and has sex with her in Hafsah’s bed. Mariyah is soooo hot that for the first time in a many years the aging prophet has a full erection and she becomes pregnant. She is the only woman out of a score of women with whom Muhammad had sex after Khadijah that becomes pregnant. Hafsah finds out that her father had not send for her and comes back to find her illustrious husband, naked, between the legs of her maid. Being a woman, she does what women usually do in similar situations. She screams and starts making a scandal. (Can’t women respect even a prophet?) Taken by surprise, Muhammad tries to calm down his hysteric wife and promises her not to approach Mariyah again while pulling up his pants, and begs her to keep the incident, a secret. Hafsah can’t keep her mouth shut and informs Aisha who gangs up with a group of other co-wives and make the life miserable for the Messenger of Allah. When the Messenger of Allah has enough of this nonsense he  makes his Allah reveal Surah Tahrim in which he "rebukes" Muhammad telling him:   

Q.66: -5.
1. O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
2. Allâh has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths. And Allâh is your Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.) and He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise.
3. And (remember) when the Prophet (SAW) disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. 'Aishah), and Allâh made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: "Who told you this?" He said: "The All-Knower, the All-Aware (Allâh) has told me".
4. If you two (wives of the Prophet SAW, namely 'Aishah and Hafsah turn in repentance to Allâh, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet SAW likes), but if you help one another against him (Muhammad SAW), then verily, Allâh is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers.
5. It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allâh), believers, obedient to Allâh, turning to Allâh in repentance, worshipping Allâh sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allâh's sake), previously married and virgins.“ 
[Tarikh Tabari also see Bukhari3.43.648 ]

Isn’t Allah nice to his prophet? He rebukes him for banning himself to have sex with Mariyah when Allah has made this lawful to him. Then he tells his beloved prophet that he does not have to keep his words just to appease a bunch of women. Go ahead Allâh has already ordained for you the dissolution of your oaths. And as the bounty, now all men are licensed to dissolve their oaths (especially when they become horny) because Allah is the All-Knower, the All-Wise. Allah even tells his beloved prophet to divorce all of his uppity wives if they are not obedient and content with his sexual escapades and marry lots of other women who will be better.. 

Whoa! What a great wisdom.  

In another occasion this very "All-Knower, All-Wise god" of Muhammad rebukes his prophet for telling his foster son to keep his wife when he lusts for her.

33.37  “Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.  

How wise! The noblest institution of child adoption is annulled because Muhammad was horny and wanted to have sex with the wife of his foster son.

There are so many cases that I can bring as evidence that Muhammad made up these verses to satisfy his own selfish needs. If you drop that blinder of gullibility you'll find the entire Quran is nothing but a pretext for Muhammad to dominate the foolhardy.  

You wrote a book on Islam. You are supposedly a scholar of this freak religion. Are you saying that you did not see the elephant in the room?  The first time I read the Quran I realized it is a hoax. Since then I continued my research and have brought a well documented case against Muhammad. How could you not see the obvious? Where is your brain Mr. scholar of Islam? How can you not see that Muhammad made up the whole damn thing for his own benefit? If I tell you I am a prophet of God would you believe me? If the only proof I present is that if you don’t believe me you’ll be burnt in hell would you believe me? If not, why you believe Muhammad? Why you believe a man who was so evil and had no proof of his claim except frightening you with hell?  Isn't this hell foolish? What kind of God would punish people in this sadistic way? Is Allah Satan? Even Satan must have some compassion. Only a deranged psychopath can envision a deity so ruthless as Allah. Why would God be so desperate to be known and worshiped anyway? Isn't this whole concept a lunacy? How can you let yourself be fooled like a child Mr. Scholar? Aren't you embarrassed of your naiveté? Are you consoled by the fact that there are other billion people who are just as fool as you are?  

This is the greatest madness. How can a billion people act like zombies and never question what was the proof of Muhammad? Why no one asks if he was a prophet of God, why he was so evil? How could a prophet of God have sex with a 9 year old child? Aren’t you shocked? Don’t fool yourself with excuses such as "this was the custom of the people in those days". This is not true at all. We don’t have any other anecdote of a 53 year old man marry a 9 year old girl and have sex with her prior to Muhammad. This tradition started with that evil man. David Koresh also slept with teenager daughters of his followers. Is this a custom of today's people? Hell no! The cult leaders set their own rule and they consider themselves above the law.  Furthermore, even if what you say is true, did Muhammad come to follow the bad customs of the people or to guide them to the right path and set new standards? What he did has become the standard and the guideline of a billion brainless zombies. How can you let this happen? How much foolishness is enough Mr. Muslim Intellectual Scholar?  

There is so much evil in Muhammad. All it take is to use a little bit of commonsense to see he was an impostor and not a prophet of God. 

 

You say “The Quran corrects him in several places and admits his faults and forgives him as well.”

How naïf of you Sir! If you claimed to be a prophet and then said something, which you wanted to change, how would you do that? Can't you see this is a childish game that he played to fool his followers? How else he could have everything he desired and break every norm of decency without incurring the wrath of his followers unless he did not make his Allah rebuke him for being too harsh on himself? How foolish of you Sir for falling for the scams of that charlatan.  

One day he found expedient to say Lat, ‘Uzza and Manat "These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries) whose intercession is to be hoped for." to appease the Meccans. Once he realized that he has goofed and with this admission he is undermining his own claim of prophethood, how could he get out of this mess? He makes his Allah to say these were satanic verses and that Satan had placed them in his mouth. So he takes the blame for being fooled by Satan and also makes his Allah forgive him. How can you not see this plot? How can you be so gullible?  

At the end you have the cheek to say: “Even though most of your allegations against him are simply exaggerated untruths, he has been forgiven completely in the promise of the Quran.”  

I don’t know what to say! Have you ever given the thought that it is possible that Muhammad concocted the Quran and this book may not be a book of revelation? How can you be so gullible Mr. Scholar of Islam? So the Quran forgives him? Doesn't this mean that he is forgiving himself? If he was a liar, doesn't this mean that the Quran could also be a lie forged by him? What proof you have that the Quran is from God? Present that proof and let us discuss it. 

 

Then you end your message by saying:  

"How can I help you further?"

Really? ...You?... Help me?  You certainly have a good sense of humor. 

Okay! Let us play your game. Please give me one proof so I know for certainty that Muhammad was not liar. That is all I ask you. 

All I am asking from 1.2 billion people who call themselves Muslims to give me one solid evidence that Muhammad was a prophet of God. Do you people have any proof? Is your faith based on logic or sheer stupidity? Isn't it odd that God gave no proof to back up his favorite prophet and now he must compete with all other charlatans and impostors to establish his claim? Tell me what sets Muhammad apart for other cult leaders who also have no proof to their claim and yet threaten the stupid people that if they do not believe they will go to hell? 

 

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