Muhammad Al Assadi vs. Ali Sina
Skies like Smoke: Did Muhammad speak of the Big
|I asked you how Muhammad knew the Heavens and Earth
were smoke like, you insisted I over looked your answer, could you
read your answer and point out how you answered my question? The
question again says: how Muhammad knew that the Heavens were smoke
like, I did not ask your opinion whether if they knew or not is
proof or not on Qur’aan being true, I asked you: how Muhammad knew
that the heavens were smoke like also Earth. I did not say this is
the only thing we have, now if you wish to jump every time we bring
something, you may land wrong one time and break something, you need
to watch out. Again, I ask you: how Muhammad knew that the Heavens
and Earth were smoke like, whether this proves Qur’aan true or not
is not an issue to discuss at this line now, I hope you can see how
those words are spoken with such assured manner, not having ifs or
buts. How Muhammad knew such, and was so sure about. You have no way
of monkying around saying he was not sure, you have no proof, and I
think you need to answer the question, or simply say you cannot, I
will still be waiting to see that, do not come around say you
already did, then I will ask you to do again, and answer again next
O LORD give me strength, again, the question is: how Muhammad knew
that Earth and the Heavens were smoke, before he split them? Too
hard still, I give up? "
Mr. Al Assadi: I already answered this question. I will reword it. Your interpretation of
this verse is wrong. Let me quote all the four verses that talk about his
Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created
the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He
is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
He set on the
(earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and
bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to
give them nourishment in due
proportion, in four Days, in
accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).
Moreover He comprehended in His design the
sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth:
"Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said:
"We do come (together), in willing obedience."
So He completed them as seven firmaments in
two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And
We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with
guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of
Here we see Muhammad saying that the first thing God
did was to create the Earth in two days. Then he set on it the mountains
and plants and animals. All this took another four days. “Then”,
i.e. in the last day, after all the above was already done, he erected the
Is this how the universe is formed? I don’t know
how much real science they teach in the schools in the UAE, but this is not the
way the universe is formed. According to the above verses, the creation of
the world starts with the creation of the Earth. Once the Earth is
completed, is filled with plants and animals, it is only then that Allah
turns to the sky and lifts it up and adorns
it with stars. Any school kid (not being fed with the
Islamic nonsense) will tell you this is crazy.
The universe is estimated to be between 13
to 14 billion years old. The
Earth is only 4.5
billion years old. The first micro organisms appeared 3.5
billion years ago. Although soft bodied creatures have appeared 3 billion
years ago, the oldest animal fossil found is only 600 million years old.
And we are just talking about "multi-celled" organisms such as
sponge-like animals, cnidarians, and worms. The dinosaurs appeared during
the Jurassic period, approximately 200 million
years ago and became extinct over 60 million years ago.
When the universe was in
gaseous form, i.e. 13 billion years ago there was no Earth and there were
no creatures. The story of the evolution/creation given in the Quran is
anachronic and asinine. It has no resemblance to what science says. Every aspect of it is
wrong. The verse 12 continues with this potty description of the creation.
It says that He (Allah) completed them as seven firmaments in
two Days. (Note how often Muhammad forgets that the Quran is supposed to
be dictated by Allah and speaks in third person when he refers to him).
What seven heavens? There are no seven heavens. This
is fairytale. I explained this point here.
Now with the proxy server please read it and also read the article on Shooting
Stars. If you can’t still access them, maybe your friend can send
them to you by email.
Then Muhammad says that Allah adorned the lower
heaven with “lights” (stars).
These are all fairytales. There is nothing scientific
in them. Assuming that the smoke of which Muhammad is talking about is the
same gaseous form of the early universe, how can you explain all these gobbledygook
in the Quran?
All we need to establish that the Quran is not the
word of God is ONE error. God should not make even one error. If there is
one single error in the entire Quran, this is proof that that book is not
from an infallible God. However we find hundreds of errors of all kinds.
You are desperate to find miracles in the Quran and try to reinterpret
things to confirm your belief. and deliberately overlook the humongous
errors in that book.
The image that Muhammad had of the creation of the
universe was the same that the ancient people had. Similar tales are repeated in
the Bible and can also be found in the lore of the Sumerians, Babylonians and
the Canaanites. They thought that the sky is made of seven layers and it
is pitched like a dome. The
( erect, raise, stand, hoist, pitch) in this verse shows that Muhammad thought, the sky
is a dome that is pitched over the Earth. In the verse 13.2
he even mentions that this sky is raised “without any pillars that ye can
These are all scientific fallacies. They are based on
the beliefs of primitive people about the Universe. Now you want to
take the word smoke and say here Muhammad is talking about the original
state of the Universe? This is preposterous.
The Origin of the Smoke
Muhammad is saying that before
this dome of sky was raised, everything above the surface of the earth
was like smoke. This is not scientific. The origin of this fable can be
found in the myths of the Mesopotamians. These stories tell us that after the great god Marduk,
slew the serpent of the seas, he cleaved her body and hoisted the upper half as sky.
He then firmly fixed
the stars, arranging the constellations of the zodiac, and created the moon
- "sets him as a creature of night, to make known the days monthly
without failing". * In this way Marduk brought order to the universe.
Marduk created seven heavens, and stationed each god (planets revolving
around the sun were believed to be gods) to his appropriate sphere. Before
that everything was formless
and in a state of chaos.
The dragoness goddess Tiamat represents the state
of untamed formless universe. She is surrounded by mist and clouds of smoke,
principles of disorder.
how Muhammad uses this same very concept to answer people who ask him
about the moon: "They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say: They
are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, and