The Best Deceiver
By Ali Sina
There is a verse in the Quran that says “they
deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best deceiver.” (Q.
Why would an all powerful God want to deceive, is
something that only Muhammad can think of. Certainly, might and deception
are oxymoronic. A God that resorts to deception, can't be almighty. The entire career of Muhammad was filled with
deception, lies, manipulations and tricks. He even licensed his followers
to malign him in order to win the trust of their victims and when they
lower their guards assassinate them.
I am on vacation staying at a friend's home. I
showed him the story of Mr. Idris Tawfiq and how this poor man is
delusional about Islam thinking it is “sweet and gentle”.
Now, one could not have come with a more inappropriate description
than these for Islam. I
asked Mr. Tawfiq to explain which part of Islam is sweet and
gentle. He refused to respond. Like a good Muslim, he has already learned
how to hide his head in the sand and avoid using his brain.
Anyway, I showed my friend the
site of the terrorists who, while gloating over Mr. Tawfiq’s
conversion to Islam expressed their concern about his lack of
understanding of it. He suggested we give them a taste of their own
medicine and play a prank on the
terrorists running that site, posing as fellow terrorists for some
fun. Hey, I am in vacation and a little extra fun is
always welcomed. Furthermore, I thought it is a good opportunity to
try to cast some doubt in the minds of some of these harebrained believers
who think by killing innocent people they will be admitted into paradise
for an eternal orgy. What a disgusting thought! I recall reading about a
killer who used to mug people and kill them to lavish money and
gifts on a stripper whom he had fallen in love with. He destroyed
tens of lives for having sex with a hooker. This is what Muhammad is
offering his brain-dead followers. What a shameful
religion. If you still call yourself a Muslim, aren't you ashamed?
You should be. If you had any dignity and pride you would be. Kill those
who do not believe in me so you can have sex with 72 whores in
paradise? Is there any low, lower than this? And you call that fiend
Anyway, I thought if I can make even one of these
terrorists rethink their faith, I may save tens of lives. They don't
have to leave Islam, only if they decide not to blow up innocent people
and themselves for a bogus promise of sex , it would be a victory for
me. So I joined the heavily controlled discussion board
of these terrorists and posted my message, pretending to be a Muslim.
To pretend to be a Muslim and confound even the best deceiver Allah, all you have to
do is spew hate. The chief
terrorist there took the bait and we started to debate.
I am publishing here the entire
discussion that took place between him and I.
The importance of this discussion is in the fact that you can see
two Muslims talking plain Islamic language.
Here no westerners are present and no one is trying to fool anyone
about Islam meaning peace and other lies that we are all used to hear.
This terrorist and myself, posing as one, agree on the
basic tents of Islam. See how I
define what true Islam means and he does not object. The only thing he
disagrees with me is the fact that I insist we should provide logical
arguments to defend Islam. Actually I am trying to interject some
new ideas to make them think. He detects that and rejects it
vehemently. He is right. Muslims are not required to prove their
religion. They have believed in Islam blindly and they intend to
impose it on others by force. Compare that to the
reaction we get from the apologists of Islam who scream their heads
accusing me of fabricating lies against Islam. I invite you
to read this discussion and see for yourself what goes through the mind of
a REAL Muslim. We are lucky that most Muslims are not the real McCoy.
Let me give you a brief introduction. This
criminal Mujahid, who regards himself as the “Purest Among Muslims,”
(and I agree) sees no need to prove Islam and to ascertain that the seventh
century Arab for whom
he is plotting to kill innocent people was actually a prophet of
God. He rightly says that Muhammad never bothered proving his claim. He simply raided and killed people, and imposed
his religion on them by the sword. Consequently, Muslims should do the same. You
can't get a more truthful definition of Islam than this and at the same
time there is nothing more diabolic than this.
This brain dead murderer does not want to
consider the possibility that Muhammad might have been a liar. Where is
the proof that he was a prophet? There is none. Show me the
proof and I will shut down this site and will give you $50 K. On the
other hand I have given hundreds of irrefutable proofs that he was a con
man and a charlatan.
Please meet your enemy. He is not alone. There
are millions of them. They are consumed with the thought of killing
you. These blood thirsty hounds have no brains and as such have
abdicated their humanity. They are more ferocious than beasts. Since
they are not willing to discuss, there is no hope in saving them. They
must be either locked up for good or killed. Mercy to these beasts
is cruelty to their innocent victims.
Not all Muslims think like Mujahid, but no Muslim can
argue with his Islamic logic. His interpretation of Islam is correct. Mujahid is a true Muslim. His satanic mind is captured by
his diabolic prophet. In
this exchange I used Zafar (victory) as my user name.
By: Javed H on July 19th, 2007
at 10:55 pm
I very much enjoyed this article. I am glad a Catholic priest has
seen the beauty of Islam and has reverted. MashaAllah.
Googleing the name of brother Idris to read more about him, I
found the site of ex-Muslims, faithfreedom.org and read the
invitation that Ali Sina has made of brother Idris to explain why he
has reverted to Islam. I am familiar with this site since a year
ago. I know this site is not worth our attention but many people
read it and if there is no response some youths may think that Islam
is, Astakhfurullah defeated.
Ali Sina’s criticisms of Islam perturb me. He has managed to
mislead many Muslims who at first joined his forum attacking him and
now have taken his side and are attacking Islam. I wish brother
Idris responds to Ali Sina’s charges. These two men have taken
opposite paths. A debate between them would be very interesting.
This will strengthen the faith in our youths. Even those who are not
young can benefit. Because the site is very popular, ignoring him is
not a good strategy. He must be silenced decisively. May Allah
reward your efforts!
مجاهد on August 20th,
at 3:35 am
Efforts of Murtideen don’t need a “Debate” as a response.
They should get what they deserve and what Shariah order us to do
with such people. Beheading them. And Inshallah this Pig of
Faithfreedom will soon meet this definite fate.
مجاهد on August 20th,
at 6:23 pm
Yeah i know about it, may Allah protect Brother Idris Taufiq from
this daemon puppet of crusaders.
Indeed these are the people who bought disgrace by giving Hidayah
and bought Hellfire by taking this worldly life.
Inshallah this Ali Sina, Salman Rushdie, Tasleema Nasreen all of
them there end will be a lesson to the world that what disgrace
happened to such people at the end who leave the path of Hidayah.
They can’t live longer enough away from our sword sooner or
later their heads will be beneath it Inshallah.
By: Zafar on August 24th, 2007
at 1:32 pm
I understand your anger and you have all the rights to be angry with
the murtadeen. Insahallah you can get your hands on them and kill them. However
since they are hiding behind their computers and killing them is not
possible at the moment we have no choice but to silence them in a debate. Ali
Sina is offering money to anyone who can prove him wrong and he is
promising to remove his site. Perhaps
he is bluffing, nonetheless as long as no Muslim scholar accepts his
challenge the general impression is that he is the winner. I
agree that we should do everything to find him and kill him. This
is what the Prophet (saw) said should be done to anyone who leaves the
beautiful and peaceful religion of Islam. However
by avoiding his questions our scholars give the false impression that
Islam has no answers.
Jihad is the duty of every Muslim. However,
Jihad is not limited to fighting the disbelievers and killing them, we
must also destroy their arguments. I
read somewhere the Prophet (saw) said the ink of the scholars is better
than the blood of the martyrs. I
don’t know whether this hadith is true or not. Never
saw it myself. Here is where I
believe our scholars are failing. Their
silence is not good. It only
emboldens the enemies of Islam. Every
time we want to make da’wa, someone throws Ali Sina’s challenge at our
face. Several uninformed
Muslims have tried to rebut his arguments. These
rebuttals often are poor and not very strong. We
need to convince Islamic scholars to confront this pig and silence him
once and for all. I agree that
he should be killed but even if we kill him without rubbing his nose to
the ground in a debate, he will be still the winner. Everyone will say
Muslims killed him because they could not debate him. It
is easy to kill someone, we must strive to prove him wrong.
Anyway, since I see your iman (faith) is great, I just thought I encourage you
to respond to his charges as well so everyone reading them will also have
مجاهد on August 25th,
at 11:09 pm
If dogs start barking at you and you ignore them will that put
any impression on the people that you are defeated by the dogs????
what do you think of Islamic scholars??? Are they don’t aware
of the situation???
Zakir Nayk is always in debates but he never came to debate with
just see the examples in history
there are many Ullemahs who did debate with christian
missionaries. Ahmed Deedat (RA) was famous in this regard
but can you find any Islamic scholar who answer to the stupidity
of Salman Rushdie, Tasleema Nasreen and this pigshit Ali Sina??
no ofcourse not
All the Ullemahs just give Fatwas that how important it is to
it is our insult to answer to these pigshits.
You don’t have any idea how much i am feeling my insult that
this discussion about that pig is going on in my blog. I never
raised topic about him here its just came into the comments and so i
have to talk about it. But its really a Muslim insult to answer to
I really feel angry on those young Muslims who start debating
with this pigshit
its just like when dogs are barking on you, you start barking on
them. it doesn’t make any sense
its necessary to kill the mad dogs like Ali Sina not to start
barking on them in responce of their barking.
By: nx84 on August 26th, 2007
at 6:00 am
Like Ali Sina, Salman Rushdie, Tasleema,,,
Same was Abu-Jehl…
Abu-Jehl used to say: “Why didn’t Allah made me a Prophet
Can anyone find a logical answer to this … NO!
(Few days back, I was reading the translation of Qur’an and this
Aayah came before me:
“And there are people with many questions in their heads.
Wait till Qiyamat, when Allah(swt) will answer ALL their Questions,
and make their mouths SHUT”.)
So, brothers,,, Allah will answer them.
You dont worry about their arguments.
(Coz, Arguing isn’t Fardh on us,
but eradicating the Fitnaa is a Fardh)
Note how these fools do not realize that the fact that Muhammad shied
away from answering questions and warned his foolhardy followers not to
ask them is proof that he was a liar. How can the Almighty God
demand people to be stupid and blindly believe in absurdities? How,
then can one distinguish between truth and falsehood?
Muslims are unable to think like that. Their brains are paralyzed by
fear and they dismiss any doubt before it even crosses their minds.
They are reduced into zombies, through fear.
مجاهد on August 26th,
at 10:33 am
Jazakallah Brother for your explanation.
Indeed beheading the Murtideen is the biggest fardh [obligation]
By: Zafar on September 1st, 2007
at 5:04 am
Not responding to the charges of ex-Muslims reflects poorly on Islam. I
agree that they should be killed. Anyone
that disrespects this gentle and peaceful message of God does not deserve
to live. However, this does
not mean that their accusations should remain unanswered. Many
Muslims and reverts are leaving Islam because of the lies of ex-Muslims
such as Ali Sina. For how long
can we tolerate this situation and ignore them? I
live in a non Muslim country. Every
time I try to make da’wa someone says go and respond to Ali Sina’s
charges first that has proven Islam is false. Truth
is that I don’t know how to answer him and I fear that my lack of
knowledge will be seen as weakness of Islam. I
wrote to a couple of scholars, who said what you said, that he should be
ignored. If he was not this
famous I would have ignored him, but how can you ignore an elephant in a
room? This situation is
becoming unbearable. Yes he is
a barking dog but the problem is that people listen to his barking and he
is misleading many.
It is good that you feel so much anger in your heart. May Allah increase
your anger. But you have no idea
how much I feel angry when his name is constantly mentioned by people who
want to put my religion down. It
hurts me more than it huts you. You
live in a Muslim country and have the luxury to ignore him. I
don’t. A couple of weeks ago
two colleagues were talking about Wafa Sultan so loudly so I could hear. They
expected a reaction from me and I pretended not listening and ignored
them. Nonetheless I felt very
I agree with you. If someone does not know Islam very well he should
not make a fool of himself trying to debate. This
“pigshit” as you call him, has learned a few hadith and a
few verses from the holy Quran and can easily defeat these novices. I
don’t understand why these people try to debate him when they themselves
know nothing about Islam. If
you are not a scholar do not go there. You’ll
be defeated and Islam will look bad. Just
having iman is not enough. You
must also have good knowledge. Now that these kids have made Islam look
bad, it is the duty of the scholars to shut the mouth of that "pigshit" for
I completely agree that beheading is the answer. The question is how. The
coward hides behind his computer. In
a letter addressed to Dr. Suhail he has offered to surrender himself to
Muslims should anyone prove any of his charges against Islam wrong. This is
our opportunity to both answer him and kill him at the same time. Do
you know of any scholar who might be willing to respond to his
مجاهد on September 2nd,
at 12:19 pm
Brother the very first thing you should do is to leave the Non
Muslim Country because it seems that you are totally unaware with
the Islamic Concept of Al-Wala Wal Bara.
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said that he who don’t leave the
after becoming Muslim is not the part of my Ummah.
During Ghadwah Al-Badr Kuffar binded some Muslims who were living
in Makkah with ropes and brought them to the Battle Field.
All those Muslims were got killed by the arrows of Muslims and
Muslims become ashamed that they killed their own Brothers
at that time the verse came about this issue saying that
don’t be ashamed on killing them, When the angel came to them
to take their lives he asked them why you are on the Kuffar side of
battlefield when you are a Muslim
those Muslims said we didn’t have any choice.
The angel answered that wasn’t the
enough for you to migrate from the
Allah send them to hell for this.
so brother the Imaan of a Muslim is always in danger when he is
living in the
these things are pretty much normal in those lands you can’t stop
and about those people who became apostate due to this Ali Sina
then those people already had disease in their hearts, firstly due
to their weaker Imaan and secondly and more strongly due to living
in the lands of Kuffar.
you said “In a letter addressed to Dr. Suhail he has offered to
surrender himself to Muslims should anyone prove any of his charge
against Islam wrong.”
do you really thing he’s gonna do that???
do you really think an apostate can stand on his words???
a person who left the truth after finding it what good you can
expect from him???
I certainly don’t know any Alim who is willing to answer this
fool and I still insist if any Alim will agree to do so that will be
mere foolishness and nothing else.
you are not getting the point, arguing with them is not gonna
stop them what we are already doing is gonna stop them.
It doesn’t matter that we can’t access this person right now
but we are fighting with the source, these Super Powers of Kuffar.
When we’ll destroy them and Allah is the witness that time is very
near these things will also vanished.
Qitaal with Kuffar, Apostates and Hypocrites is Fardh-e-Ayen
today on every single Muslim men and women so they must join it and
come to the Jihad fields instead of arguing with these puppets.
Thats what actually Islam demand from us.
مجاهد on September 2nd,
at 12:24 pm
here is the resource of books which can be helpful for you for
the Aqeedah of Al-Wala Wal Bara
download and read the books
A Call to Migrate From The Lands of Kuffar To The Lands of
Al Walaa wal Baraa - According to the ‘Aqeeda of the Salaf
they will be helpful
By: Zafar on September 2nd, 2007
at 6:49 pm
Assalamu aliakum Brother Mujahid:
May Allah reward you. Thank
you for publishing my message and responding to it. You
talk nice, but the reality is not as simple. Yes
I am familiar with what you say about Muslims killing other Muslims who
did not immigrate and that Allah sent a revelation approving
their action. Allah (swt) says:
“If they turn back (to
enmity) then take them and kill them wherever you find them, and choose
neither friend nor helper from among them.” (Q.4:89)
This is about Muslims who go back to the unbelievers and associate with
their non-Muslim family and friends. So
it is true that Muslims are instructed to kill those Muslims who do not
abdicate their families and stay with them continuing to associate with
them, whereas association with non-Muslims has been prohibited by Allah (swt).
“O you who believe!
Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors), - offering them
(your) love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to
you.” (Q. 60:1)
However, do not forget that our prophet (saw) send the early believers
a Muslim land? No. It was a
There are several ways to make jiahd. Giving
from our wealth to support the Mujahedin is one way. Here
in the west Muslims can make more money. We
use the infidels’ own money to fight them. We
are also gradually increasing in numbers. alhamdullillah
Muslim families make three times more children than the non-Muslims and if
this trend continues, before the end of this century inshaallah we take over the
by our sheer number. This is jihad. I call it “bed
jihad.” Muslims also marry non-Muslim girls and either
convert them or make their children Muslims. In
this way the non-Muslims have less chance to procreate while we increase
our numbers. masha
Don’t you agree that what our heroic brothers did in
was great? This kind of jihad
is possible only if we penetrate into non Muslim countries. Only by living
among them we have the opportunity to stab them in the back and inshaallah
destroy them. Can you do this
while living in
We are not here to integrate with the kuffar or take them as allies and
protectors. If we swear to
their flags our hearts is strong and inwardly we hate them. This
is only taqiyya in order to deceive them. Do
not look down at us for living in the West. Our
alliance with the infidels is only strategic. Remember
that our Prophet (saw) signed a treaty (in Hudaibiyyah) with the Meccans
to cease hostility against them for ten year. This
allowed the Muslims to raid other towns such as Khaibar and become strong.
After two years Allah (swt)
sent the Sura Bar’a ordering the Prophet to break his treaty and raid
the Meccans. The Prophet (saw)
said. War is deception. In
the Quran Allah (swt) said wallahu
khairul makerin. If
Muslims leave the non-Muslim countries who will wage Jihad against the
infidels? Did you see what
they did to our brothers in
Iraq? We cannot stand their
military might. Actually, in
these two wars they were careful not to kill the civilians and that is why
the wars lasted a few days. If
they don’t care about the civilians they can send any country to Stone
Age in just a few hours.
Now let us talk about the “pigshit” Ali Sina. You
say ignore him. It is easier
said than done. A couple of
days ago a good friend of mine whom I know for years came to me with silly
questions about the holy Prophet (saw). I
asked him where he has got them and he told me from the site of that “pigshit”.
I was angry and told him he
should not read that stupid site and recited to him the verses 101-102 in
“(5.101) O you who
believe! do not put questions about things which if declared to you may
trouble you, and if you question about them when the Quran is being
revealed, they shall be declared to you; Allah pardons this, and Allah is
Forgiving, Forbearing. (5.102) A people before you indeed asked such
questions, and then became disbelievers on account of them.”
He asked if Islam is from God, the more you ask about it the more your
faith should grow. If the answer to some questions make you lose your
faith, then Islam must be a lie. I told
him we Muslims should not take the morality of the west as our standard
and we do not follow the Golden Rule. The person who sets the standard is the messenger not the
westerners and left him angrily. All
these stupid arguments that this “pigshit” has put forward are being
circulated throughout the Internet. Many
Muslims with strong faith will ignore him but there are also many,
particularly the youths who want to know the correct answer. I
think our ulama have a duty to respond to such accusations. Their
silence only gives the impression that he is right. He
should be ignored like a barking dog but our youths should be informed of the
correct answers. It is not
easy to tell them have faith when we have failed to answer the accusations
made against our holy prophet (saw). When they leave faith, it is not
their fault, it is our fault.
You say that once proven wrong he is not going to present himself to be
killed. You maybe right. But
that is not the point. The
point is to discredit him publicly. Once
he is discredited, then let Allah burn him in hell, inshaallah.
My concern is to save Islam. You
say that only people with weak faith will leave Islam. This
is not true. Even people with
strong faith have started to doubt and question Islam. Many
people are leaving Islam. This
in Radio Islam.
You say Muslims should leave the non-Muslim land. Will
this end the problem? Of
course not! He and his ilk will continue slandering our beautiful and
peaceful religion and shamelessly maligning our holy prophet (saw). Unless
he is silenced people will continue leaving Islam. Not
only he has poisoned the minds of non-Muslims against Islam, even Muslims
who until recently were strong in their faith have started vacillating.
Jizaka Allah. Please continue
guiding people to the right path and inshaallah
we will be victorious soon, putting the enemies of Islam to shame.
[I must add that I am pleased to hear some of the
jihadis are encouraging Muslims to leave the non-Muslim countries. Unfortunately
not many of them think like that. I believe this booklet that
Mujahid is suggesting should be printed and distributed among all the
Muslims. They are no threat to us if they live in their own Islamic countries.
There, they will tear each other apart and we don't have to worry about
them. Hopefully one day. When they have had enough of it, they will
come to their senses and realize it is Islam that has reduced them into
beasts. Then they will leave this cult of death. This is what happened in
Iran. Do you see any Iranian terrorist? Very few! But remember that the
Iranians were the ones who started it all. So why they are no longer
terrorists? It is because they learned their lesson the hard way. Other
Muslims have to learn theirs too in the same way. I give you my word that
in less than five years after the mullahs are removed from power and
freedom of press is established in Iran, Iran will be the first Islamic
country to eschew this cult.]
مجاهد on September 3rd,
at 4:07 am
brother if you read the books i mention earlier then you will not
going to say so.
After the Laws of Islam completed Prophet Muhammad (SAW) never
sent anyone to the Kuffar land for Da’awah.
Not even before Prophet sent anyone to make Da’awah to common
Even in the Makki period When Prophet himself went to different
tribes, He didn’t spread Da’awah to common people but to the
and Thats exactly the way of Da’awah is, first send invitation
to the rulers, if they don’t agree on it then attack on them and
remove that man made government and when the people of that land
come under Khilafah then spread da’awah among those Dhimmis.
There is not a single incident in Islamic history During Prophet
Muhammad (SAW) period or Companions of Prophet (SAW) period that
Muslims ever spread da’awah in the
in common people
and as you said that there are many ways of doing Jihad and one
can earn more living in west etc etc
then I think you are unaware with the Ghazwa Tabook
on Ghazwa Taboook Muslims were called for Jihad and every one
left but just 5 Companions of Prophet didn’t left.
these were the companions wo never become absent from any of the
Previous battles but due to one reason or another they didn’t
participate in this one
You know what happened to them.
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) announced 50 days social boycott of them
and even their wives were not allowed to live with them
Muslims were not allowed to even Saying Salam to them or even
replying to their Salam
Saying Salam and replying to the Salam is somthing very far
Muslims were not even allowed to even look at them.
for 50 Days they were dead for Muslims just because they didn’t
participate with sword in Jihad
your this statement that one can earn more while living in west
and blah blah really disappoint me i wasn’t expecting that much of
a silly statement from you.
Its better if you read a llittle more of Shariah and the books i
mentioned earlier, I’ll try to load those books on my site too
By: Zafar on September 3rd, 2007
at 12:47 pm
Br. Mujahid, I agree with your explanation that the Prophet (saw) never
argued with the average people trying to give them logical arguments. He
issued warnings to their leaders to submit and if they did not he raided
their cities and then demanded everyone to convert or he killed them and
sent them to hell. This was
what happened in those days. But do you think it is possible to do the
same today? Are you sure we
can issue an invitation to the president of the
to convert and if he does not, attack America
and force everyone into Islam? I
don’t see that very realistic at this moment. Maybe
inshallah one day the Umma will
become strong enough to humiliate the kufaar, but as things are now,
Muslims are the ones who are humiliated and dejected.
Assuming the president of a country converts to Islam. Will the rest of
the citizens also follow? In
the past everyone did what their rulers told them to do. These days the
rulers do what people tell them to do, and if they don’t they will be
booted out of the office. I
don’t think if we manage to convert the president of a country the
entire nation will follow suit.
There are two ways to deal with this situation, either through qital
(fighting) or through reasoning. The
qital option must only be
exercised when the Umma is strong.
Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, quotes Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi ‘Ulum al- Qur’an who wrote: “The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the muslims
become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and
be patient.” [Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi ‘Ulum al- Qur’an, Dar
al-’Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]
Today the Umma is weak. So,
we must either postpone the qital and wait until the Umma becomes strong
or make da’wa through reasoning. I
agree that this second venue has never been used in the past and it is not
sunna. The holy prophet never
sat down with anyone to reason with them. They
had to submit or face qital. But
can we do the same today?
I read in the news that some of the Korean hostages taken by our
were severely beaten when they refused to convert to Islam. Do
you agree with that? I think
it reflects poorly on Islam. Assuming
these hostages convert under duress and torture, will they remain Muslims
when they return to their countries?
There are things that are sunna but this does not mean we can practice
them today. At the time of the
Prophet there were no guns. Can we make jihad with swords because this was
the sunna? Of course we must
adapt to the changing world and the changing world requires that we use
reason as a means to defeat the enemies of Islam. If
we don’t use reason, we will not only fail to attract anyone to convert,
we are going to lose many Muslims as well. You can pooh-pooh them and say
they were weak in their faith or had a sickness in their heart, blah,
blah. However, the bottom line
is that people are leaving Islam in large numbers. This
reports that nearly one million Iranians have turned to Christianity in
recent years and this despite the persecution. There are perhaps more who
have reverted to Zoroastrianism and even more who have become secular
The Internet site aljazeera.net published an interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al
Qataani who said: “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity.
Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million
Muslims convert to Christianity.”
It is not all because of Ali Sina and his lies but because Muslim
scholars have failed to recognize the importance of reason and dialogue. If
our scholars shy from dialogue, how can we prove that Islam is a true
religion of God? Any gangster
can put a gun to your head and say do as I tell you. This does not make
him right. When the holy
Prophet forced people to convert it was a different time. Now
we can’t do that anymore. Like the case of the Taliban trying to force
their Korean hostages to convert, we look silly and stupid. These
are the things that damage the image of Islam not the lies of Ali Sina and
Anyway, this is my opinion. Allah knows best.
مجاهد on September 3rd,
at 12:58 pm
I don’t think their left much to discuss with you after your
statement that its not necessary to act upon Sunnah.
by saying so you just draw the line of extreme ignorance
The Ignorance of The Learned People
there are two type of ignorance
one that someone is ignorant of his history and Sunnah of Prophet
(SAW) and His Companions (RA)
Second is that Someone do know the History and Sunnah of Prophet
(SAW) and His Companions (RA) and don’t feel that following each
and every step of them is necessary
well the second one is the height of ignorance
One can teach the person ignorant of his history and Sunnah
but no one can teach the extreme ignorance of learned people.
its just like they believe their act and their thinking is better
then what Allah orders in Quran what Prophet Practiced and Ordered
and what Companions of Prophet (RA) practiced.
You reallllllllllly need to learn a bit more of Islam otherwise
you are not very much away from the thinkings of those apostates.
Ignorance of the True Teachings and Wisdom of it and just having
the surface level knowledge and with this arguing with someone about
Islam always lead to confusion and mislead the person towards
so be careful about that and first try to learn a bit more of
Islam then come to argue
Follow the path of the Purest Among Muslims not your own defined
and just for a hint about who are the Purest Among Muslims you
should read this
article it will help if you have a bit of wisdom.
May Allah show you the most righteous path.
By: Zafar on September 3rd, 2007
at 2:33 pm
You think I am saying that it is not necessary to follow the sunna. I
think you misunderstand me. That
is not what I said. I
said we must advance with time. We
use AK47 and explosives in our fight against the disbelievers. Is
this sunna? Why don’t we just content ourselves with swords? The
prophet (saw) and his companions (ra) only used swords. Why
do we drive cars and fly jets? Why we have fridges in our homes and why we
use the Internet to communicate? Are
Let us be honest. The world
is changing and we are adapting to it. This
does not mean we are putting aside the sunna. The
Umma is only selective. That is the problem.
You say if one with little knowledge argues about Islam it always leads
to confusion and misleads the person towards Irtadaad. Didn’t
I say the same thing in one of my first message? Didn’t
I say those who know little about Islam should stay away from the site of
the kuffar and not argue with them because their ignorance make Islam look
The point that I tried to make and you missed is that we have no choice
but to discuss our faith with our enemies and our critics. In
the time of the holy Prophet and the khulafa, Muslims had the luxury to
have the upper hand. The
unbelievers were first reduced to dhimmis and after they were defeated and
humiliated they had no courage to question Islam and Islam was imposed on
them by force. Today this is
not possible. The Umma is weak
and it is becoming weaker. Look
how Muslims are killing one another in
and elsewhere. If you think
that we can launch a Jihad against the west and subdue them and then force
everyone into conversion you are not being realistic. With
the state of the Umma today this is impossible. We have no other option
but to engage in dialogue. Show
me where it says dialogue is haram?
I can give you more links showing how people are leaving Islam by
millions in the once Muslim countries of the old Soviet Union and in
. Why Muslims are leaving Islam? You
and I know that Islam is true. But
the reason these people are leaving is because they think it is not. How
are we going to convince them that they are wrong? We can’t kill all
these people although that is the law. So
that option is out of question. It’s not possible to carry it out. How
else can we keep them in Islam? Do
you have an idea that works? In
my opinion we must start engaging in dialogue. If
Islam is true what are we afraid of?
You say through dialogue people start doubting their faith. Why?
I can’t believe you say such thing. Are
you implying that astakhfurullah Islam is a lie and once probed it cannot stand the
test of reason? May Allah
forgive you. Islam is true. However,
there are people who can’t see this. In
the past we could force these people to convert with the sword. Today
we can’t do that. It is not that we don’t want to do it. We just
can’t. So what option we have except entering in dialogue? That
is why I say our scholars must start answering the false accusations made
against Islam and our Prophet (saw). These accusations are serious. If
we leave them unanswered everyone will think that they are true. Because
the scholars have not responded to these charges, the enemies of Islam
have become emboldened. I am
talking with many Muslims and I can see that doubt is creeping into the
minds of many. The question
asked is: Can Islam defend itself logically or it cannot? If
it can’t then it is a lie and if it can then why Muslims are silent? Why
they shy away from dialogue when they are so courageous when it comes to
qital and killing? This
is how animals behave. They do not reason but they fight. These
questions need to be answered. Maybe
they are not important to you and to me but they are obviously important
to those who are leaving Islam.
You sent me a link to read about the Purest Among Muslims. I read that.
I do not disagree with that. But
I did not see the relevance of that in our discussion. In
your previous message you narrated the story of Abdullah’ibn Ka’b the
who did not participate in the Battle of Tabook and the Prophet ordered
everyone to shun him and not to talk to him for 50 days. Unfortunately I
did not grasp the point that you were trying to make.
The point I am trying to make is simple.
Dialogue and reasoning are not sunna but they are not forbidden either.
we do a lot of things (like use AK47 instead of sword) that are not sunna
we must also find a more effective way to defend Islam and today the only
effective way is through dialogue. This does not mean we should put aside
the qital. However, we must fight only when we are strong and today the
Umma is not strong.
Millions of Muslims are leaving Islam. We must do something soon or Ali
Sina’s prediction will come true and Islam will be defeated.
If Islam is true, then the scholars must be able to refute all the
charges against it. If they
fail to do so, everyone will think that Islam has failed.
مجاهد on September 3rd,
at 2:58 pm
The True Path, The True Solution was Qitaal at that time Is
Qitaal today and WIll be Qitaal forever no matter how much the time
its pretty stupid example saying that now we use ak47 at that
the technology of weapon changed but it remain weapon.
that was pretty much silly comparison.
My point is clear in the last post and still the Path of Prophet
(SAW) and His Companions (RA) is the only right Path, They never
indulge themselves in such discussions neither in Da’awah with
There path was Jihad and so is the Path of True Momineen Today
the article was not irrelevant
The thing is the purest ones today are on the way of Qitaal with
and those who are not doing so and goving lame excuses for living
in the Kuffar land and calling it for the purpose of Da’awah are
creating their own ways not the Islamic ways.
Its nothing else but the disease of Wahn Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
The Love of Life and Hate for Death.
This is the Disease of Wahan which keep such people away from
Qitaal and so they make lame excuses of sitting behind.
My Point was always clear, The only way towards success is the
way on which Prophet and Sahaba walked and that was the Way of
Those who are on this path are the purest ones and those who are
making excuse from coming to this path are creating their own ways
other then Islam
Thats the point and this discussion is over here Nothing left in
This following message that I posted before
he went to bed, stayed in his site for about eight hours.
When he woke up, he deleted it at once.
By: Zafar on September 3rd, 2007
at 4:33 pm
Here I am sitting with my friend who is also a Muslim. What
I am writing are mostly his questions and I do not disagree.
Your position is that there is no need to explain anything to anyone
and that the Prophet (saw) did not do it either. You say, the only way to
expand Islam is through qital. i.e. waging war against the unbelievers and
killing those who do not submit at once. That is fair. This is how Islam
expanded and that is how it should be. Nonetheless, we both know that at
this moment there is no way for Umma to wage a war against the Kuffar and
win it. We are a divided house and we will lose on every front. How ironic
that the people in Qaza are begging
to occupy the Qaza again and restore peace. Do
you expect this Umma win in any war? Will
you explain how do you suggest doing it? You
call yourself a mujahid, so you should know.
The next question is even more important. If Islam is from God, why do
you insist not to show its truth to others in a logical way? If
something is true, it should be also easy to prove it logically. If
you can’t prove it logically then it is not true. So
if you can’t prove Islam logically, why do you want to kill for it? Do
you see the inconsistency of your argument?
Let us say you and I argue about a mathematical truth. You
say that two plus two is four and I insist that it is five. You
ask for proof and I pull out my gun, point it at your head and say, this is
the proof. You are then forced
to agree. So now we both agree
on something that is false. Truth
cannot be imposed by the sword or by the gun. If
something is true, one must be able to prove it logically. How
can God send a message without any proof? There
have been many impostors who have claimed to have come from God and some
of them have used force and violence to make others believe in their lies.
Should we believe them and not
ask for proof? Wouldn’t that
This approach is wrong. That is why Muslims are leaving Islam in such a
large numbers. The scholars must wake up and realize that they have a duty
towards the Umma and Islam. They
must accept the challenge of the kuffar and prove them wrong. Their
silence is interpreted as the failure of Islam. This
is more detrimental to our deen than anything the kuffar can do or say.
You say this discussion is over. What
does that mean? Does it mean
that you cannot respond to my questions logically? Does
it mean that you are going to delete my messages? You
can, but if you do that, I will post all this discussion elsewhere where
it will blow your mind and millions be able to read it.
You have a site inviting Muslims to do qital and kill people. Fine!
I have no disagreement with that. This
is the sunna and the law of Allah (swt) and there is nothing we can do
about it. If you are a Muslim
you must fight and kill those who disbelieve or you are a hypocrite and
fuel for fire. Do not think I
am soft on the hypocrite Muslims. I
despise these fools who on one hand claim to be Muslims and on the other
hand arrange “interfaith conferences” with the members of other
faiths. I want to expose these
stupid Muslims and show what hypocrite liars they are. I
do not have any argument with your definition of the Purest
Among Muslims. If you are
a Muslim you must hate the non-Muslims and you must be prepared to fight
them and kill them and have no mercy for the infidels. I
am not arguing about the injunction of qital and fighting. Allah
(swt) has said:
Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it.
it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that
you love a thing, which is bad for you. But
Allâh knows, and you know not. (Q. 2:216)
The point I have been trying to make, and apparently in vain, is that if
you don’t have any logical argument to back your claim and prove Islam
why anyone should believe in Islam? If
all we can do is use violence and threat then anyone can do that and
impose his will on others. This
is not how you reach the truth. Our
ulama must come up with logical arguments, or as the enemy of Allah Ali
Sina (may he burn in hell) says, the end of Islam is near. He
even has given a date and has said within the next 25 years Islam will be
eradicated. This is already
happening. We are seeing how
Muslims are leaving Islam everywhere and the culprits are the ulama who
hide their heads in the sand and do not face the enemies of Islam to
respond to their false accusations. You
are doing exactly the same.
You sign off your messages by saying “May Allah show you the right
path.” Why don’t you ask
Allah to show YOU the right path? Who
said you have found the right path and I haven’t? You
think all it takes to make Islam dominant is fight and kill the non
Muslims and that there is no need to prove its truth. Well,
I am sorry but this is foolish. I
live among the non-Muslims. They are tolerant but this tolerance will come
to end once they see that Muslims want to shove their religion down their
throat with force and without even trying to prove its validity. Then
they will squish us like cockroaches and not even Allah can help us.
So my brother, come to your senses and start proving Islam logically. If
you can’t defeat the kuffar logically you can rest assured that you
can’t defeat them militarily. If
you don’t know the answer to the questions raised go and ask. That is
what I am doing. Go to all the
ulama, if necessary, and tell them that it is their duty to stand against
the kufr (disbelief) and prove the kuffar (disbelievers) wrong. If
no one can do that, then maybe you should postpone your qital just in case
we are on the wrong side. You
don’t want to kill innocent people for a lie, do you?
If you think all you need is to do qital and you will be victorious,
you are delusional.
Why anyone should believe in our deen (religion) if we can’t prove its validity
logically? Please answer this
question if you can.
This coward is afraid of words.
He is sitting in his rat hole encouraging other fools to become
terrorists while he himself, like a vampire who is afraid of light is
frightened by mere words.
I publish this discussion so
you can peer into the soul of the enemy and see the depth of his
depravity, his evilness and his complete lack of conscience.
Like a programmed robot, all he
knows is that his function in this world is to kill. He is not
willing to discuss and question his actions or his belief. What distinguishes humans from animals is our rational faculty.
True Muslims have lost that faculty.
They are filled with hatred
of mankind for no reason other than because their psychopath prophet told them they
should. They are unable to distinguish right from wrong and unwilling to
discuss or question the validity of their belief.
Do not assume that this depravity of mind and conscience is limited to
Jihadis. Idris Tawfiq, the British Catholic priest who converted to Islam
and is now trying to portray that doctrine of hate as "sweet and
gentle" is just as averse to discussion as this brain dead beast is.
Few Muslims would agree to discuss their religion. That is why I have
such a high esteem for people like Mr. Ghamidi and his
disciple Dr. Zaheer. They are gems and they deserve our respect. The
majority of Muslims know only one thing and that is Muhammad killed
innocent people and
therefore they should do the same. There
is no spark of humanity left in them.
They are reduced to
ferocious and dangerous animals. (with my sincere apology to animals) It is the sacred duty of every
human to get rid of Islam. People like Mujahid should be killed with
no mercy. Those criminals in Guantanamo Bay should have been
executed. They were let go and many of them rejoined jihad. As a recruiter of terrorists, this animal has the blood of many
innocent people on his filthy hands. But the ignorant Muslims
have to be rescued before they too lose their humanity to Islam.
Islam is Devil's instrument to destroy mankind. There is no cause as
sacred as fighting against this evil.