Answering
Ibn Mardhiyah
Ibn Mardhiyah
is a Muslim who has taken my challenge to refute my accusations of
Islam. This is what he wrote and my response to him. My original writing
is in blue. Ibn Madhiyah's refutation is in black. My response to him is
in red.
Ibn Mardhiyah wrote:
In the Name of Allah, the Most
Beneficient, the Most Merciful
This is a letter of advice from a Believer to a Disbeliever, and an
invitation to accept Islam.
Ali Sina,
There are several glaring errors on your website FAQ page.
If you claim to be in search of truth and rationality, please edit them.
1)
...there was a time that all the
humanity believed that the earth was flat. all philosophers and prophets
concurred and the common sense confirmed it....
Did The Qur'an or Prophet Muhammad [saws] ever
make this claim? Your site is all about attacking Islam and attempting
to defame it. Yet you use outdated concepts from Christianity and
Judaism wherever possible and try to associate them with Islam.
The notion of Earth being flat is
clear from Quran and is confirmed in hadithes. The proof is here
I am not going to repeat my self. If
any of your questions/refutations have been answered already, I'll only
place the link.
2)
"...the prophet exterminated the
jews of arabia..."
This is incorrect. He did not exterminate
them, and even the Jews themselves will tell you this. The Jews in
Arabia were fought against after they had violated their treaties and
behaved treacherously. Thus the Prophet Muhammad made war against them.
When they were defeated, many of them chose voluntarily to leave Arabia
with their posessions.
To learn how Muhammad massacred the Jews and
ethnically cleansed the Hijaz from the Jews and the Christians see this
link.
3)
"...my criticism is about all the
religions. the very concept of god sending messengers to be known and
worshipped is absurd. all those who come pretending to bring a message
from an invisible god that only they can see..."
Why is this absurd? Who out of any of the Prophets
ever claimed to have seen God? Do you have any proof for this accusation
of yours?
This subject is covered in
detail see this link
4)
"...self-appointed
prophets..."
Which out of the
Prophets were self-appointed? They asked for nothing. Not power, not
fame, not money, not land, nothing, except that the people stay away
from evil and vice, and to believe in One God alone. If you call these
most honorable men that have ever existed on the face of this earth, if
you are calling them "self-appointed", then who is not
"self-appointed"?
What was the proof of these
messengers except their own words? Their own word is not enough.
Every year hundreds of charlatans claim to be prophets and have no other
proof except their own words. It would be foolish to accept them just
because they say so.
You say they asked nothing. I don't
understand what do you mean by that. These self proclaimed prophets are
narcissists. What they want is recognition, respect and power. Their
whole purpose of life is this and being a messenger of an almighty deity
provides them unlimited narcissistic supply. See Here
to learn about narcissism.
5)
"...the prophet himself used to
invoke the curse of allah on his enemies, sometimes for 30 consecutive
days...."
You failed to mention that these enemies
who were cursed for such a long time were the people who asked the
Prophet to send to them learned Muslims who could teach them Islam. The
70 missionaries that were sent to that tribe were treacherously
massacred at Bir Ma'unah. by the same tribe that asked for them. If
someone massacred your loved ones, would you love them or hate them? You
would curse them too, as would anyone else.
1) The story as reported by you is inaccurate. But
that is beside the point. My objection is that it is not behooving for a
messenger of God to curse anyone even his enemies. This vindictive
spirit pertains to people with no spiritual insight. A man who calls
himself the messenger of the merciful God should not comport in such low
and shameful manner. He should set the standard of morality, magnanimity
and greatness. What he did was foolish and childish. No wonder the
Islamic world following the examples of such low character have sunk so
deep.
2) The next point is that if really God is
displeased from anyone can't he punish him? Does he need one of his
creatures tell him what to do? Doesn't this demonstrate Muhammad's
arrogance? If there is an injustice done, shouldn't God be the judge?
Who are we to tell God what are his duties? By invoking evil upon his
enemies Muhammad not only demonstrated to be a vindictive man with
little moral fortitude but also an arrogant person who thought it is up
to him to tell God how to run his business.
3) Apart from all that, Muhammad's lack of
understanding becomes evident from the very fact that he believed curses
have any effect. If curse had any effect why he went into war with his
opponent? Why he did not stop at cursing them and wait until God to take
care of them? Why non of his enemies suffered any harm until he actually
went and destroyed them physically? If cursing had any effect why the
one billion Muslims who constantly curse the Jews for 1400 years have
not been able to win the small nation of Israel? Believing in curse is
stupid. How can an intelligent person believe that curse has any effect?
6)
"...please
tell us how do you justify the prophet bursting into ka'ba and
destroying the idols of the people who believed in them?..."
It was absolutely justified. Earlier you
denigrated the Prophets as being "charlatans" and
"self-appointed", yet you conveniently forget that the Holy
Ka'bah was built by Prophet Ibrahim and his son, for the worship of One
God. Later on, the people fell into disbelief, and began to believe in
stone idols that could not help their own selves, much less help any
human being. Prophet Muhammad only restored the Ka'bah to what it was
originally built for.
1) The story of Ka'bah being built by Abraham is a
myth. It is an improbable legend.
2) The early Jews were not monotheists and so
Abraham. Monotheism evolved thousands of years later. See these two
articles The
Origin of God and the evolution of Monotheism.
3) Even if what you say is right, the Ka'bah
belonged to the people who lived in Mecca and they had their religion.
Even if that religion was not the same as taught by Abraham it was not
Muhammad's business to go and destroy their gods and desecrate their
temple. Muhammad had no respect for people's belief. He set the example
and later the Muslims kept destroying all the sacred places of the
countries where they conquered. In Iran they burned the Zoroastrian
temples, in India the Hindu and Buddhist temples and so on. Omar even
burned all the books in the biggest library of the world in Gondi
Shapoor. When the Muslims informed him of the library and asked what
they should do with that many books, his response was: "If what is
in those books is against the Quran, then they must be burned. But if
they are not then they are redundant because Quran has all the knowledge
that world needs to know." So he ordered burning all the books.
This cult of Islam never had any respect for
anyone's religion, culture or identity. Now the Islamists come to the
West and demand to be respected, their religion be recognized and ask
for equal rights. Why no Islamic country gives the non Muslims the same
rights that it grants to its Muslim citizens? But when they come in the
Land of the Kafirs they want to be treated equally. Isn't that hypocracy? Don't
tell me this is something Muslims have misunderstood from the teachings
of Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Muhammad called the unbelievers
Najis, 9:
28 He asked the Muslims to fight with them 9:
29, slay them wherever they find them 9:
5, 2:19,
Murder them and show them harshness 9:123
, and do not befriend them even if they are their fathers and brothers
9: 23.
Islam is a religion of hate, of intolerance and of
violation of all human rights. Do you need more proof?
Your rhetorical raving
against the Qur'an is not original, and many have come before you who
did a much better job at trying to defame the Qur'an, but just like
them, you too have failed.
All those freethinkers before me proved the fallacy
of Quran and did a great job. No Muslim has ever been able to answer
them. The only response they got was imprisonment or execution. This
does not prove the truth of Quran, it just proves that Islam is a
terrorist cult that knows one thing and that is killing.
It is simple enough to see
that any book written by man will be changed. Man does not have the
power, either in the past, now, or even in the future to write a book,
on any subject, and then guard it from any change throughout his life
and after death. Writers who author books and novels constantly revise
their own stuff before and after publishing. But the Qur'an is a Divine
Book, and Allah has made it known that He will preserve it, and so we
see that for the past 1400 years, the Qur'an has been preserved. All 114
chapters, letter for letter. No man-made book is capable of such minute
protection against change.
As for Quran not being changed, I suppose you
should read this article. The
Perversion of the Qur'an and the Loss of Many Parts of It
Nevertheless, this is not the proof of the divine
origin of Quran. Quran is full of logical, scientific, historic and
grammatical errors. That is why I reject it as a divine book. The
Republics of Plato predates Quran by 1100 years and the books of
Confucius, Laoze, and Juangze are also as much old. They are also not
changed. But no one claims that because of that they are divine books.
7)
The following illustrates your extreme narrow mindedness and ignorance:
You said:
"...only words i know for a
person who massacres his prisoners of war indiscriminately is a criminal
and a mass murderer...."
Please state which instances you are referring to.
If you are referring to those prisioners that were taken from the
Quraish and then executed, then you should know that those prisoners
were criminals and oppressors. Some of the prisoners from many battles
were spared and treted very well, even better than the Muslims treated
themselves. Some were let go after teaching a certain number of Muslim
children how to read and write. Those who were killed were those who
were guilty of spreading hatred and injustice, and thus leaving them
alive was not an option. It is absolutely irrational that a known
criminal and murderer, if captured should be released wthout having paid
for his or her crimes.
If you are referring to the Jewish male prisoners of war who were
beheaded, then you should know that they were guilty of treachery, and
that they knew from their own book, the Torah, that under such
treacherous behavior, the punishment was death by beheading. The male
prisoners of war willingly chose this fate from their own Book. The
females and children were not killed. Your claim that Prophet Muhammad
was a mass murderer and a criminal is unjustified.
I refer to all Muhammad's murders.
Let us take the example of the Jews and in particular the Bani
Qurayza.
Obviously this tribe was
annihilated, the record we have of them is the history written by the
victor. The history written by the victor is highly biased. He would
never mention his crimes and brutalities, he would justify his action
with pretense that the other party broke the treaty or taunted him so
much that he was left no other option but to act. Nadir Shah for
Iranians is considered to be a great king. We were taught that the
Indians bothered him so much that he was left no other option but attack
India. The version of the history that was fed to us claimed that the
defeated people of India were very “pleased” of him. That he was so
just that he cut in two pieces few Iranian soldiers who had used the
services of some whores and did not pay for it and hang their chopped
bodies at the gates of the city. I have not read yet the true story
written by the Indians, but it seemed to me very unlikely that any
nation be happy to be conquered by a foreign army, even when I was just
a school kid. Yet Iranians are unwilling to teach to their children the
truth that they too had their share of barbarity, cruelty and injustice.
We can never learn about the truth
of what happened in Medina to the Jews. But even by examining the very
biased story written by the Muslims it becomes clear that it was
Muhammad who broke the treaty with the Jews and not the other way round.
See the story of the
Jews of Medina
Now let us assume that actually it
was the Banu Qurayza what broke the treaty. Would this justify Muhammad
massacring all of them and selling as slaves their women and children?
This mentality is extremely troublesome. Usually the people who decide
on behalf of a nation are their leaders, if the leaders do something
wrong, should the entire population be punished? Milosovic is a war
criminal, does that allow us to go and massacre the entire Yugoslav
population? Saddam Hussein is a criminal too; should we massacre all the
Iraqis, enslave their wives and children?
When Banu Quraiza was besieged by
Muhammad’s men the army of Allah shut the water supply to them.
Imagine the hardship that the children had to go through. Finally they
decided to surrender. No fight ever took place. Now they are prisoners
of war. What would the merciful messenger of Allah do to his prisoners
of war? He would order the massacre of all the men and enslavement of
all the woman and children. To separate men from the boys he ordered the
youngsters to take off their pants for him to inspect and see if they
had grown any pubic hair. If they had he ordered killing them, if not he
sold them to serve as slaves. Is growing pubic hair a crime punishable
by death? What was the guilt of a 12-year old boy who just happened to
have grown pubic hair?
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions)
examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed,
and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not
grown hair.Sunan
Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4390
What kind of human worthy of calling
himself with such a name can read these heinous acts and still defend
one of the most brutal criminals this world has ever seen?
"The
truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have
lost the power of reasoning."...Voltaire, Philosophical
Dictionary, 1764
The fact of the genocide of the Jews
and the Christians ordered by Muhammad is clear from this Hadith .
The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three
orders one of them was to Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula.
Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288
Go ahead and deny the authenticity
of this hadith. It is classified as Sahis but you are a Muslims and
lying in defense of Islam is good.
And the fact the Muhammad
enslaved free people is clear from this hadith.
Sa'd's (the man chosen by
the Prophet to decide the fate of the Bani Quriaza) verdict was
"that all the able-bodied male persons belonging to the tribe
should be killed, women and children taken prisoners and their wealth
divided among the Muslim fighters." Sahih
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280
What does "take
their women and children as prisoners" mean.
What did those women and children do? What was the purpose of keeping
them as prisoners? They became slaves to the captors and since no Muslim
fought in this war, they all went to the estate of the Prophet and he
sold them. He kept Rayhana for his own sexual pleasures.
The fact that this war enriched
Muhammad is also clear from the following hadith.
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
People used to give some of their datepalms to the Prophet (as a
gift), till he conquered Bani Quraiza and Bani An-Nadir, whereupon he
started returning their favors. Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176
Now I hope there is a grain of
humanity in you and you come to your senses and stop worshiping a
devilish cult.
8)
"...only
words i know for someone who at the age of 53 becomes aroused by a
9-year-old child is pedophile...."
It is well known that Aishah, the Mother of the
Believers, was as fully mature as any 20 year old is nowadays at
the time of consumnation. You assume that she looked like the average
nine year old of today. She and her type of arabian girls were most
certainly not like the nine year old girls of today. It is a fact that
people in arabia, 1400 years ago were physically larger on average than
humans of today. This is something archaeologists know for a fact, that
people of the past, especially those of ARabia, were physically larger
and matured faster than the humans of today. Your claim that Prophet
Muhammad was a pedophile is invalid.
That is an absurdity. The human race
has not gone through such mutation is just 1400 years. This is the most
ridiculous statement I ever heard on this subject. Ayesha claimed that
her mother came and took her to Muhammad when she was playing on a swing
Sahih
Bukhari 5.234 She also said that she used to play with her
dolls with her girlfriends and the Prophet used to sit and play with
her. Sahih
Bukhari V 8, B 73, N151 How many 20 year old women you know who play
on swing and with their dolls?
You think that if you call a lie
"fact" it become a fact. It just demonstrates how little you
know of science and how religion has destroyed your rational thinning.
You don't even know that archaeology has nothing to do with this matter.
This is a question of biology and evolution. And what you say is
scientific heresy. It just proves that Marx was right when he said that
religion is the opium of the masses and that your brain is on religion.
For more on Ayesha's age read
here
Some Muslims have decided that it is too
embarrassing to admit that their prophet wobbled in the bed with a 9
year old child and now claim that she was 18 years old. See their
argument and the rebuttal of that claim here
See also this link for some moral evaluation of
Muhammad's pedophilea.
9)
"...only word i know that
describes a person who raids merchant caravans and steals their goods is
highway robber...."
You failed to make mention that there was a state
of war existing between the Muslims and the non-muslims. Muslims were
taking back what was theirs, because when the Muslims fled Makkah after
increased persecution, they did not take their belongings and valuables
with them. All their property and finance was stolen by the non-muslims.
Furthermore, during times of peace, like after the Treaty of Hudaibiyah,
no caravans were robbed. If Prophet Muhammad really was a highway robber
as you insist, then he would have continued to rob caravans even during
times of peace.
Muhammad started raiding the
caravans before any state of war existed. See the proof here.
Muslims were a marauding gang. It is
a lie that the early Muslims were "taking back" what they had
lost. No one confiscated anything from the Muslims in Mecca. No one
forced them to leave Mecca. In fact the families of most of these
converts tried to prevent their young relatives who had fallen prey to
this new cult of Islam from leaving. It was Muhammad who forced them to
emigrate. I have shown this very clearly in my response
to Ayatollah Montazeri. . (More proof that Muhammad radied
innocent people without warning killing their men and taking their wives
and children as slaves is below.)
Now let us suppose that actually
some Meccans did confiscate the belonging of the Muslims (This is not
true at all. See the above link) under what law one can go and take
possession of the belongings of another person that happens to be a
citizen of the same town? If some Muslims steal something from me, is is
right for me to come and take your property in revenge?
For the sake of heaven. When I talk
with you Muslims I have to lower my self and explain such foolish things
as if I am talking with a child in kinder garden.
10)
"...only word that i know for
someone who captures human beings and sells them or asks for ransom to
release them is a slave merchant and a terrorist..."
No humans were sold into slavery. Such behavior
that you accuse Prophet Muhammad of is impossible, seeing that he came
to abolish slavery. Prisoners of war that were captured were returned
upon payment of ransom. This is no different than common criminals today
being held in jails only to be released on a set payment of a fine or a
bail amount. While in custody, those prisoners of war were treated very
well, an Islamic practice that continues even today, like for example in
Chechnya, where Russian soldiers themselves testify to the excellent
treatment they recieve at the hands of their Muslim captors. If Prophet
Muhammad indeed was a slave merchant as you accuse, then he would not
have cared for the rights of those prisoners and would have physically
abused them while they were in his custody. Nor did he terrorise anyone.
The DIsbelievers from Makkah, who came to pay the ransom amounts knew
Muhammad to be an honest and trustworthy person, even though they hated
him. They knew full well that any prisoners under his command would not
be safe, and not abused or terrorized. Thus your accusation of Prophet
Muhammad being a slave merchant and a terrorist is rejected by all
rational-thinking people.
I already quoted the hadith were Muhammad enslaved the
women and children of banu Quriaza. Then he moved to Kheibar and did the
same in that town.
Sahih
Bukhari V 2, B 14, N68
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) offered the Fajr
prayer when it was still dark, then he rode and said, 'Allah Akbar!
Khaibar is ruined. When we approach near to a nation, the most
unfortunate is the morning of those who have been warned." The
people came out into the streets saying, "Muhammad and his
army." Allah's Apostle vanquished them by force and their
warriors were killed; the children and women were taken as captives.
Safiya was taken by Dihya Al-Kalbi and later she belonged to Allah's
Apostle go who married her and her Mahr was her manumission.
As a matter of fact Muhammad had so many slaves that only Ayesha who
was just one of his many wives manumitted 40 of them in one
occasion when she broke an oath as expiation. Now one can just imagine
how many slaves did she actually have and how many slaves Muhammad's
other wives had. Where did they get these slaves, except through
capturing them is several wars? (Sahih
Bukhari V 4, B 56, N708)
Well you were shocked that Muhammad had any slaves and said it is
"impossible". Now you know the truth. Are you still going to
defend that man?
You said:
Prisoners of war that were captured were
returned upon payment of ransom. This is no different than common
criminals today being held in jails only to be released on a set payment
of a fine or a bail amount
The difference is that those captured were women and children and not
"common criminals". Plus you forget that Muhammad already
confiscated their properties. How they could pay any ransom. There is
not a single place where reports such release ever took place. Those
people who were released by ransom were Arab men captured after Muhammad
raided their merchant caravans stole their goods and then asked for
ransom from their families or threatened to kill them. Read the
treachery of Muhammad's men in the highway rubbery at Nakhlah
The fact that you say while in custody the prisoners were treated very
well makes me believe you have very little knowledge of the history of
Islam. Muhammad kept his prisoners under the threat of death until he
got money for their release. These men were captured in raids. This is
what we call kidnapping or sequester. It is a shame that someone defend
such crime in this day and age. I am afraid you are a brainwashed man
who cannot distinguish between right and wrong any more. Muslims do not
treat well their captives. Muhammad did not treat well his captives. The
very taking act of raiding them and capturing them was illegal. He
infringed their human rights just by raiding these caravans or towns,
plundering their belongings and capturing them. This man was a
gangster not a human let alone a messenger of God. Who brainwashed one
can be not to see that?
You also wrote:
If Prophet Muhammad indeed was a slave merchant
as you accuse, then he would not have cared for the rights of those
prisoners and would have physically abused them while they were in his
custody.
Actually the two things are not related. He got these people by
raiding their homes and sold them for profit. However there is
indication that he also considered beating them is okay. In Hadith Sahih
Bukhari V 8, B 73, N 68 He advised his
followers not to beat their wives like a stallion or a slave and then
sleep with them.
In the Hadith Sahih
Bukhari V 2, B 25, N 587 Muhammad orders "every male or
female, free man or slave, the payment of one Sa' of dates or barley as
Sadaqat-ul-Fitr" This shows also that slavery was accepted in
Islam.
Raiding without warning, killing the men and enslaving the women had
become a trademark of Muhammad. If fact the word Qazvah means sudden
attack.
Sahih
Bukhari V 3, B 46, N 717
Narrated Ibn Aun:
I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the
Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning
while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the
places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their
women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got
Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above
narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army.
I honestly believe any person who reads these stories of treachery,
cowardliness and barbarity and still believes Muhammad was a messenger
of God he is a subhuman, a brainless zombie not deserving to be called
human.
11)
"...only words that i know for
someone who forces himself on a captured woman in the same day that he
kills her father, husband and many of her relatives is a
rapist,..."
You must be referring to Safiyyah bint Huyyay. She
was a Jewess from the conquered Jewish fortress of Khaybar. She herself
had a dream that she would be married to Prophet Muhammad. Her husband
was executed on account of his treachery and betrayal. This was
according to his own Jewish law which rewarrds treachery and betrayal
with execution. Safiyyah was given a choice to freely return to her
people or to accept Islam and become the wife of Prophet Muhammad. Her
words were: "I choose Allah and His Messenger.", and so she
became Muslim and of her own free will, married Prophet Muhammad.There
is no record of rape or force. Prophet Muhammad would often marry women
from other tribes in order to strengthen diplomatic bonds between two
groups of people, the Muslims and the new group in question. Similar was
the case of the defeated Jews of Khaybar who had a Jewess from amongst
them become the wife of the Prophet Muhammad.Show your proof of this
accusation of rapist if you are truthful. Rape is defined in the
Websters Dictionary, Second College Edition as:
"the crime of having sexual intercourse with a woman or girl
forcibly and without her consent."
Produce any proof you have that the Prophet Muhammad raped Safiyyah, or
for that matter, raped any woman. If you cannot then your claim that he
was a rapist is ridiculous and untrue.
The shameful story of the rape of Safiyah is
discussed at length in this page.
The following story gives a better idea of the
dirty mind of this man you call a messenger of God.
Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 63, Number 182:
Narrated
Abu Usaid
We went out with the Prophet to a garden called Ash-Shaut till we reache
d two walls between which we sat down. The Prophet said, "Sit
here," and went in (the garden). The Jauniyya (a lady from Bani
Jaun) had been brought and lodged in a house in a date-palm garden in
the home of Umaima bint An-Nu'man bin Sharahil, and her wet nurse was
with her. When the Prophet entered upon her, he said to her,
"Give me yourself as a gift." She said, "Can a princess
give herself in marriage to an ordinary man?" The Prophet raised
his hand to pat her so that she might become tranquil. She said,
"I seek refuge with Allah from you." He said, "You have
sought refuge with One Who gives refuge. Then the Prophet came out to us
and said, "O Abu Usaid! Give her two white linen dresses to wear
and let her go back to her family.
It was a tradition of the Arabs to sleep with any
women who consented. There was no need of any ceremony and no money was
exchanged. This was called Habbah. There is a tradition that a woman
offered herself to Abdullah Muhammad's father who did not accept then
and went to Amina and conceived her. Then he went back to that woman and
told her that he is ready to sleep with her. The woman refused and said
when I saw you before the was a light with you but that light is now
gone.
This hadith is obviously forged by Muslims to give
a miraculous aura to Muhammad's conception. However, the very
existence of such tradition shows that sleeping with women without
marriage was a custom of the Arabs.
Muhammad slept with few women who offered
themselves to him. Since there was no contract signed, no Mahr (dowry)
was required and there was no obligation on the part of the man to keep
that woman. But often poor women who offered themselves as habbah
because in return they received food and sometimes shelter. However,
wealthy women never gave themselves as the "gift" and this
impertinence of Muhammad in the above case was shear arrogance.
12)
"...only word that i know that
describes a person who sends his men to kill his opponents in the middle
of the night traitorously is an assassin..."
Assassination is described in Webster's as
killing of a politically important person. First of all, it was the
Blessed Companions of Prophet Muhammad who offered to kill the apostates
and those who were spreading trouble in the land. Second, these people
who were killed were not politically important. Thirdly, such people who
do spread such terror and hate and lies like Aswad most certainly
deseved to be killed. Any rationally thinking person will arrive at this
conclusion after viewing all other ways to achieve a certain goal to
make a trouble-maker desist from his activities. And last but not least,
their was no betrayal. No traitors. Your claim that he was a traitorous
assassin is rejected.
The following are some of the people Muhammad assassinated.
Ka`b
bin al-Ashraf
Sallam
Ibn Abu'l-Huqayq (Abu Rafi)
Al-Nadr
bin al-Harith
`Uqba
bin Abi Mu`ayt
`Abdullah
bin Ubai bin Salul al-`Aufi
Umaiya
bin Khalaf Abi Safwan
`Amr
b. Jihash
An
anonymous man
Ibn
Sunayna
Abd
Allah Ibn Sa`d Ibn Abi Sarh
Abu
`Afak
`Asma'
Bint Marwan
I am afraid you must have lost either your brain or
your humanity for not being shocked over the fact that Muhammad sent
murderers to eliminate his opponents in the middle for the night. Those
"blessed companions" were murderers. They acted like any
gangster. It is no wonder that Muslims are terrorists. They do as their
prophet did. What would you say if non-Muslims dealt with Muslims the
way Muhammad and his "blessed companions" dealt with their
opponents. You Muslims are offended even is someone write a true article
about your religion and yet your prophet used to send assassins to
terror this opponents in the middle of the night al mafioso. Read the
story of Abu Afak. He was a very old man. His crime was to compose a
poetry satirical of Muhammad. Assma Bint Marwan was also a poetess,
mother of five very small children. Her crime was also having
written a poetry cursing the men of Medina who did not have the courage
to stand against Muhammad's chain killings.
Do you really believe a murderer can show you the
right path? You can be sure that he is taking you to hell.
Second, these people
who were killed were not politically important.
These people were humans. Shame on you for having
sank so deep. You are no more a human.
Thirdly, such people
who do spread such terror and hate and lies like Aswad most certainly
deseved to be killed.
And you are offended when we say Islam is a
terrorist cult? Islam only can maintain itself by terror. But those days
are over. I use my pen to kill this beast. My pen is my weapon and it is
mightier than Muhammad's sword. Muhammad needed to kill and terror
his opponents because he could not win by logic. You brainwashed
followers of that murderer have maintained that tradition of terror
until now. But it is over. Now with the help of my old PC and the
Internet I am going to destroy your empire of terror. The sun of reason
had dawned and the creatures of darkness like you will have no where to
hide. Islam can maintain itself only through ignorance and terror. Now
with the Internet you can do neither.
Any rationally
thinking person will arrive at this conclusion after viewing all other
ways to achieve a certain goal to make a trouble-maker desist from his
activities.
I am so pleased that you wrote and shamelessly
described what a Muslim means when he talks about "rational
thinking". The rationality of a person who is a devil
worshipper cannot be more rational than this.
13)
"...but if muslims are offended
for they believe what i say is false then they have to prove it to me
that these stories are all baseless..."
Excellent. I see that you have rationally left the
door open for refutation, and that you do accept that your statements
may be false, and you have asked for proof. Done.
Not so fast cowboy!
Yes I left the door of refutation and will keep it
open. But you did not prove but the fact that Islam is a murderous cult,
that it rears brainwashed killers. That the world will not have peace
until and unless Islam is completely eradicated. This is what you
proved.
14)
"...we have to compare the
teachings of these religions to the modern humanistic concepts of
equality and oneness of humankinds..."
I ask you: What is your rationale by
setting "modern humanistic concepts" as the de facto standard
for judging other ways of life? Modern humanistic concepts states that
adultery is acceptable, that oppression in the name of "national
security" is acceptable, that homosexuality is acceptable, that
taking away the hard-earned money from people via interest is ok, that
all criminals deserve to live no matter how evil their crimes, that
enslavement of people and stripping them of their freedom in the name of
corporate expansion and "national security" is ok...all these
are modern humanist values.
Humanistic values drive from the Golden Rule. This
is an infallible measure of right and wrong. Do not do to others what
you do not expect other do to you. From this rule we can get all the
guidance we need to lead a harmonious life with other human beings.
Modern Humanistic values do not teach adultery.
This is pure ignorance. I have an article where I spoke in detail about morality
It dissipates many misconceptions regarding religion being the source of
morality. As a matter of fact I show why religious morality is outdated
and immoral according to today's standards. The above example of
Muhammad asking a woman to give herself to him as a gift was not an
immoral act in his time, it is very immoral now. The fact that he slept
with a 9 year old child was not immoral then, but it is now.
In nowhere the humanist say that "oppression
in the name of national security is acceptable". Humanism hold the
United Nation Charter of Human Rights as the standard of right and
wrong. Oppression under no pretext is acceptable by any humanist.
However, Oppression in the name of Islam is acceptable. When Muhammad
orders
Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find
them (Q. 2:191)
this is oppression. When he asks them to murder them and treat them
harshly (Q. 9:123)
or slay them (Q. 9:
5) and fight with them, (Q. 8:
65 ) just because they want to have the freedom of belief this is
oppression. When he asks the Jews and Christians to accept Islam or pay
Jaziyah feeling subdued and humiliated (Q. 9:
29) and taxes them up to 50% of their income as he did in Kheibar,
this is oppression. When Quran takes away the freedom of belief
from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam
will be accepted (Q. 3:
85) this is oppression. When he call the non-believers najis (impure
untouchable) (Q. 9:
28) and says they will go to hell (Q. 5:
11), this is oppression. When Muhammad orders his followers to
fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2:
193), it is oppression. When it causes hate of the non-Muslims by
telling stupid stories that they will go to hell and will drink boiling
water (Q. 14:
17) this is oppression. When he asks the Muslims to slay or crucify
or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from
the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in
world hereafter” (Q.5:
34) this is oppression. When he uses fear mongering by tales like
“As for the disbelievers for them garments of fire shall be cut and
there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is
in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished
with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22:
9) this is oppression. When Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a
non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of
that Muslim (Q. 9:
23), (Q. 3:
28), this is oppression. When it asks the Muslims to “strive
against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25:
52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66:
9) this is oppression. When Muhammad demands his follower to
“strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a
“wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”
(Q. 47:
4) this is oppression. When he says women are inferior to men and
they are deficient in intelligence, and their husbands have the right to
scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34)
this is oppression. When he says that women will go to hell if they are
disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10)
and maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228),
it is oppression. when he denies the women's equal right to their
inheritance (Q. 4:11-12),
and regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not
admissible in the court (Q. 2:282)
this is oppression. This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse
her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Polygamy and polyamory
with the slave grills and women captured in wars (Q. 4:3)
is rape and oppression. The whole Islam is oppression.
that homosexuality is
acceptable,
Humanism does not promote homosexuality. It simply conceders
homosexuality a private matter and not the business of the state to kill
the homosexuals. Some people consider homosexuality a moral issue,
others say it is a biological issue. Whatever it is and what people do
in the privacy of their bedroom should not be the concern of the
society. What should be the concern of the society is that no one
infringe the rights of another human being by imposing on him a religion
that he does not want to believe, by forcing her a dress code that she
does not want to wear, by telling him what to eat, how to dress, how to
pray, who to pray to etc. These are private matters and the humanistic
laws are there to protect them as our indelible right.
that taking away the
hard-earned money from people via interest is ok,
Interest on loaned money is okay because no society will ever
advance without it. All the Islamic countries have adopted it and
practice it. If there is no interest no one would lend money to another
person and the person who has the idea and capability but no money can
never get the capital that he needs to start a business. He will remain
poor and many jobs that he could have created will not be created, many
mouths that could have been fed with those jobs will not be fed. The
person who has the money will keep his money under his mattress and will
not be able to add to it. This primitive mandate of Islam makes sure
that every one remains poor and the society never advances.
But in a society that interests on the loans are
charged, (basically everywhere in the world including all Islamic
countries) people who have ideas and talent can borrow from those who
have money but cannot put it to work, These entrepreneurs can generate
wealth for themselves, for many people that their enterprise employs and
for those who have lent them the capital. All of them pay taxes and the
whole society benefits because roads, schools hospitals and all the
social benefits can be financed by that tax money. This is a
win/win/win/win situation. Everybody wins. Following the stupid rules of
Islam everybody loses. Another proof that Islam is outdated and useless.
that all
criminals deserve to live no matter how evil their crimes,
There are countries like USA that though have incorporated a lot of
humanistic values in their laws have death penalties for their worst
criminals. Other counties like Canada have eliminated it. This is a
matter of choice. Both religious and non religious people are
divided on this issue. My personal view is that it is better not to kill
the criminals because sometime (and unfortunately more often than we
like) errors happen and innocent people are executed wrongly. And a
life in prison is more painful than death. So if he is a criminal why
end his misery so soon?
that enslavement of
people and stripping them of their freedom in the name of corporate
expansion and "national security" is ok
This is certainly an absurdity. No
humanist ever accepts such thing. You don't know what you are talking
about. However as I showed above Muhammad practiced real slavery and
slavery is still being practiced in Sudan by Muslims and in Saudi Arabia
where young girls from poor Islamic counters like Pakistan and
Bangladesh are purchased for domestic work and the pleasure of the
filthy Arab sheikhs.
The correct way to
approach any way of life, be it any religion or any modern humanistical
and secular system, is to judge concepts present in them by referring
them to the judgments of an un-biased authority. Such an authority
cannot be human, because humans are capable of mistakes, neglect, and
forgetfulness. In Arabic, the word for human is "insaan",
meaning the one who forgets. The root word is "nisayn" which
means forgetfulness. Thus we cannot use any human or group of humans to
be the judge. This leaves only that which Created humans and all that
exists, namely, God.
The root word of "insan"
is not "nisan". insan drives from "ons", which means
affection or being gregarious.
Your argument that humans cannot be
the judge for their own laws and have to leave that to a deity that no
one has seen except a charlatan who claimed to have received his
messages is very flawed. First of all you have to prove that such god
exist. Although I believe in a Single Principle underlying the creation,
I do not believe in the god depicted my Muhammad, Jesus or other
impostors. The very existence of such god is a logical impossibility and
the proof is overwhelming. I challenge anyone to disprove me.
This article explains the logical
difficulty of the god
of the monotheistic religions
This one answers the question of
chance
or intelligence
or in other words creation or evolution.
And this one explains my concept of
Life
Beyond and the Single Principle
Your second challenge is to prove how a pervert man
like Muhammad who as I have demonstrated throughout all the pages of
this site was one of the most vile creatures could be the messenger of
that god.
God has made it clear what is acceptable
and what is not. You may ask, how do you know it was God who decided
such? I tell you once again, that the Qur'an is a Book devoid of any
mistakes or discrepancies or any change since its completion. Such a
state of existence is a miracle, a supernatural act that can only be
committed by an entity that has the power eternal to do so, and such an
entity is God. We Muslims know for a fact that God has differentiated
what is right and what is wrong, what is justice and what is opression.
Here obviously you are babbling tautologically
without making any logical sense.
a) Quran is changed and even if it hasn't this is
no proof that it is from God. There are many books that predate Quran
and are not changed. This is an absurd proposition that you assume that
Quran is not chanegd and then conclude that it must be from God. The
fact that a book has not changed and its divine origin has no
correlation. Here your thesis (Quran is not changed), your
antithesis (a book that does not change is from God) and your synthesis
(Since it is not changed it must be from God) are all wrong.
b) Quran is full of errors. Here
is just 10 of them. For more proofs see below.
"We Muslims know for a
fact that God has differentiated what is right and what is wrong, what
is justice and what is opression."
Obviously you Muslims cannot
differentiate between facts and illusions. What fact? Every sentence in
Quran contains two mistakes. You are just fooling yourselves. Read the
above link and those given below and see how ridiculous is that
statement of yours.
It looks like you have no clue about
justice too. Islam is a cult of tyranny and oppression as I demonstrated
above with verses from Quran. And that was just a sample.
"Humanist"
values that you are advocating are subject to error and change. They are
limited in view and narrow in approach, with no foresight. In contrast,
Islam is based of unchangeable divine justice and the Believers have no
doubt of the singular validity of Islam and only Islam.
The humanistic values are based on the Golden Rule, though nothing is
absolute we can be very safe if we follow this rule. The very fact that
the rules change is a positive thing because laws must be at the service
of humanity and not vice versa. The society is constantly changes and so
should it laws. The so called divine laws are not divine at all but are
made by a maniac who lived eons ago. Those rules are not practical
anymore. Many of them are inhumane and oppressive but above all those so
called divine rules puts men at the service of the rules which is
completely contrary to the very purpose of law that must serve the
society and ease the life of the people. There is nothing more dangerous
than having a fallible manmade law and believing that it is infallible
and divine.
Humanistic laws are made by people,
everyone can criticize them, suggest alternatives and improvements.
Religious laws are cast is stone, no one can oppose them without
suffering the consequences or even lose his or her life. Human society
is changing constantly, the laws that were good a hundred years ago are
no more applicable. Trying to impose the laws of a 7th century primitive
society in the 21st century were the world has changed so much that
every human being can communicate and interact with everyone else
throughout the globe is anachronistic and anti progressive. No wonder
Islamic countries are so backward. The very fact that Islam is based on
unchangeable laws makes Islam obsolete and unpractical. Laws are made
for the well being of humans not vice versa. The human society is
alive evolving and progressing and so it laws must keep with the times.
Religious laws are dead fossils. The fact that they cannot change
renders them useless. Take the example of traffic by-law, one hundred
years ago the traffic was the traffic of horses and carriages. Can we
use the same traffic by-laws of a century ago in the metropolis of
today?
Believers have no
doubt of the singular validity of Islam and only Islam.
Believers can believe in whatever
they wish, that does not make their belief true nor give them the right
to impose it on those who do not believe. Muslims are not the only group
who believe that their belief is the only true belief. Virtually every
believer in the world believes that his or her religion is the true one.
That does not give them license to try to impose their belief on others.
We the humanists say, keep your beliefs to yourself, practice it in the
privacy of your homes, but in the society we follow the rules defined in
the charter of Human Rights and respect the life, the rights, the
freedom of faith, and the freedom of expression of every
human being irrespective of his or her beliefs.
15)
"...the reason i fight islam is
because it is a doctrine of hate..."
You have yet to prove that Islam is a doctrine of
hate. What you have succeeded in proven is your own malice, hatred and
bigotry towards Islam.
I believe I did prove that Islam is
a doctrine of hate and proved my case by many verses from Quran. For
more you can keep reading my articles and see for your self.
Islam is a way of
life based on real justice.
Obviously you don't know the meaning
of this word.
Because you are incapable to see the
injustice in the teachings of Islam, imagine that these teachings belong
to anther religion which has gained power by killing and looting and the
prophet of that religion has ordered his followers to kill the Muslims
until they accept him, force them to pay a penalty tax, kill anyone of
their people who decides to apostatize and become a Muslim, kill
any Muslim man who marry one of their women, call Muslims najis and
deprive them of their civil rights in their own countries, etc, etc.
You Muslim are true hypocrites. Here
is the proof.
You try to convert people from all
the religions to Islam but if someone decides to leave Islam he is an
apostate and his execution becomes necessary.
You allow yourselves to marry women
from any religion, but if a non-Muslim marry a Muslim woman you want to
kill both of them.
You seek freedom to practice your
religion, build mosques and have equal rights in any non-Muslim country,
but the non-Muslims is Islamic countries are called zimmi and according
to Quran they must pay a penalty tax called Jazyeh.
You seek equality in non-Muslim
countries but all non-Muslims in Islamic countries are second class
citizens.
In the West you seek the protection
of the humanistic laws that give all people freedom but your true
intention is to make Islam the religion of the land and uproot those
very humanistic laws and deny everyone else the equality.
And you call this "true
justice"!
Islam recognizes that some
humans will be rebellious and seek to cause dissent and strife amongst
humans for personal or other reasons. Islam recognizes that such people
must be dealt with lest their mischief and trouble cause great trouble
on Earth. If you call this hate, then you are mistaken. Hate is based on
racial, ethnic, gender, or economic and societal prejudice. Islam
transcends all of these barriers.
There is nothing that causes more dissent and
strife amongst humans than Islam. Wherever Islam has gone it has caused
dissention and strife amongst people. This tradition of causing dissent
and strife dates back to the time of Muhammad himself who created hate
amongst the people of Mecca, taunted the religion of the Qruaish, FORCED
his followers to immigrate. Unlike the lie the he said and you keep
repeating the verses of Quran prove that it was him who impelled his
followers to immigrate. No one persecuted them. No Muslim died in the
had of the Quraish in Mecca.
“Lo!
those who believed and left their homes and strove with their wealth
and their lives for the cause of Allah, and those who took them in and
helped them: these are protecting friends one of another. And those
who believed but did not leave their homes, ye have no duty to protect
them till they leave their homes..”(Q.8:
72)
And in another place he even orders killing those
who did not immigrate.
They long that
ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a
level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they
forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to
enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and
choose no friend nor helper from among them, (Q.4:
89)
The
truth is the the Quraish did not persecute the Muslims. Muhammad wanted
to divide and rule. That is why he kept taunting the religion of the
Quraish to make them angry and ordered his followers to immigrate. More
on this subject here
When Muhammad went
to Medina, the Jews and the Arabs did not have any problems with each
other. In fact they married amongst each other, made business with each
other and were allies. Read the story of the Jews
of Medina After Muhammad went
there he caused sedition, made the Arabs hate the Jews and eventually
annihilated the 2000 years old population of the Jews of Arabia
pillaging all their belongings.
Muslims
followed the tradition of Muhammad everywhere in the world. The
partition of India and the loss of millions of lives in that
subcontinent is a painful reminder of that. Today Muslims are engaged in
causing sedition and terrorist activities in Philippine, Indonesia,
Bangladesh, Algeria, Egypt, Turkey and have ruined the countries
where they have come to power like Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan,
Saudi Arabia, etc.
Even
United States, Canada, UK, France, Argentine and anywhere Muslims have
gone has not remained immune of their terrorist activities.
Muslims have brought their terrorism along with themselves in every
corner of the world they have settled. Where there are two Muslims
gathered together there is mischief brewing in their heads. Muslims
today as they have been in the past 1400 years are the major trouble
makers and are unrelenting forces of sedition and mischief.
16)
"...therefore before the
creation, god was not the creator...."
You are mistaken. Your alluding to Da Vinci and
his creation of the Mona Lisa is not worthy. God has always been the
Creator, and He has never changed or improved in any way. Your theory
that God would overlap his creation was disproved over a thousand years
ago by a 10 year old child who showed quite simply that in the same way
nothing comes before the number zero, nothing came before God, so
therefore He is not a created thing. He is the source of all creation.
The 10-year old child later grew up to be known as Imam Abu Hanifa. God
cannot be said to have "changed" in order to become the
Creator, because this means that He is limited by Time, although Time is
something which He created. God cannot be limited by his own Creation.
He always was the Creator.
Here you are shooting yourself in
the foot. Nothing comes before zero but zero does not have existence.
Every number refers or denotes something's. Zero refers to nothing. Zero
is the state of not beings. I don't have any problem considering God as
a non being or as a void. In fact this constitutes my entire theory of
God which contradicts the notion of God as a being who cares about this
world, sends messengers, listens to prayers, punishes or rewards.
God is the Single Principle underlying the creation. That has no being.
God is the non being which is the mother of all beings. God is not the
creator but the law of creation.
I have disproved the
god
of the monotheistic religions. I have shown that the creation does not
need the first cause. (See chance
or intelligence ), but I do believe in the Life
Beyond and the Single Principle
and Abu Hanifa's comparison of God to Zero perfectly validates my theory
and makes Allah, Yahweh or any other deity redundant.
You say you are a
rational thinker yet you contradict yourself by saying God doesn't
exist.
Read the above articles.
17)
"...these so called holy books,
especially quran are full of errors. quran is replete with scientific
heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities
and grammatical errors..."
I ask you to provide a cursory example of what you
accuse, if you are truthful.
Read these proofs "if YOU are
truthful"
18)
"...upon the closer inspection
and by using logic we can see there are may flaws in the theory of god
as presented to us by these self appointed prophets. god as a being is
specious and can be refuted by logics.....if god is true, it must stand
the test of reason. if it doesn't, it is fanaticism..."
Let us inspect your disbelief in the existence of
God by using your precious logic. Common sense, reason, rational
thinking and logic all tell us that to create simple things like
computers, cars, airplanes and rockets, you need people to design,
manufacture and assemble the various constiuent parts of the said items.
No one in his right rational-thinking mind would claim that he saw his
car form all by itself out of various raw elements. No one will claim
that an airplane could form by itself or with the help of "Mother
Nature". Everyone knows that cars are assembled by car companies
like GM, Ford, Toyota, etc. People know that companies like Boeing or
Airbus manufacture and assemble airplanes. We know it takes a team, and
sometimes thousands of highly-skilled and dedicated, sentient people
to put together simple things like airplanes and cars.
So how could anyone in his right rational-thinking mind claim that
something as complex as this Earth, or for that matter, this Universe,
could have come together by chance without some form of sentient
intervention? It is highly irrational to believe this, outright absurd.
If God doesn't exist then who created the Earth and the Universe? If you
insist that the Earth et al came together by the forces of "Mother
Nature" or just by "pure chance", then you also agree
that no one is running Ford, or Boeing, or Hewlett-Packard, and that all
the associated products of these companies form all by themselves
without any outside intervention by sentient beings. This is illogical.
Cars and other machines cannot come
to exit on their own. But that does not mean that the Earth needs a
creator too.
Who created the mountains, the
rivers, the rain, the wind or other things that make the Earth a planet?
All these phenomena are the products of natural laws. no one sat there
to design these mountains the way an engineers designs a car. Everything
on this planet and other planets came to existence through gradual
evolution and through natural laws. This is also true in the case of the
living organisms. I have explained this subject of evolution in detail
in the article Chance
of Intelligence.
19)
You said:
"...i know what galileo knew when
he challenged the faith of billions of people who believed for thousands
of years that the earth was flat. i know what darwin knew when he defied
the common belief of billions of people that thought all living beings
were created in six days. and i know what lamark knew when he confronted
the universal belief that the earth was 6000 years old. ..."
You are ignorant of some fundamental ground
realities:
Those "billions" never ever existed. There was never in any
moment in time even one billion people who believed the Earth was flat.
Furthermore, Muslims specifically never believed the Earth was flat.
If you are telling me that in the
time of Galileo there were no "billions" of people living, you
may be right. But certainly since the beginning of human history more
than a few billions have lived in this planet who believed that the
Earth is flat. But really my intention was not to provide statistic but
to emphasize that truth had nothing to do with the number of people
believing or disbelieving in it.
Darwin himself, before his death, denied his own
Theory of Evolution and even refuted it most clearly. Either you know
this but you hid this fact from the viewers of this site. In case that
is so, then you are a liar. And if you did not know this then you are
ignorant of some basic things about the life of Darwin.
Sir, you need to read some real
scientific books and stop relying in the lies the other Muslims feed
you. Where in the world you come up with such ridiculous ideas. Darwin
is not an unknown personality. His biography is recorded everywhere.
Aren't you embarrassed to lie so obviously that any person can catch you
by making a smile search with the name of Darwin?
This "universal" belief of the
Earth being 6000 years old, how is it that you claim it was
"universal" when the Muslims never believed such nor did Islam
ever advocate such?
Can you prove this? Show us the verse that says the
Earth is five billion years old as it is estimated by scientists.
20)
You said:
"... the true muslim was khomeini..."
In fact he was not. He associated partners with
God and this took him automatically out of the fold of Islam, if he was
ever in it.
This is your opinion. Khomeini
himself believed to be the true Muslim and I can testify that he was for
I can prove whatever he said and did was inspired by the Quran. Can you
show us what he did that was against Islam. I also can prove that the
Talibans are the real Muslims by Quran and Hadith, can you show me the
reverse using he same sources?
21)
You insinuate that:
"...islam's violent ways to
expand itself by sword, looting and killing..."
This is most certainly false. Islam expanded so
rapidly because of its justice system and simpleness in approaching God.
The Caliphs routinely used to dissuade their governors from having too
much of the non-muslim population accept Islam in view that the amount
of tax revenue generated by non-muslims would decline. Thi is a well
known fact. The Christians of the Middle East accepted Islam because
they knew it brought peace, stability and justice.
Sometime the apologies of the
Muslims to defend Islam incriminates it even more. Here finally you
admit that the reason for invading other nations was not to teach them
the new message of God but to collect taxes and Islam was indeed nothing
but an excuse. If the intention was to teach them the message of God the
Caliphs should have been pleased to let people embrace Islam. But if
they did so, how they could confiscate all their belongings and enslave
them, which obviously was more profitable?
The fact that people accepted Islam
is also very clear from your own admission. These people saw that their
only chance of survival is to pretend to be Muslims. This acceptance was
not out of conviction but was out of necessity it was for survival.
The history of Islam is full of
bloody wars all instigated by the Muslims. They killed everyone enslaved
the women and children and looted whatever they could. Saying people
accepted Islam "because of its justice system and simpleness in
approaching God" is an insult to human intelligence and to the
victims of Islam. Even today no one is free to make that choice. Can a
Muslims recant Islam and walk freely without the fear of being executed
or assassinated?
Islam never brought peace and
stability to anywhere in the world. It divides the wold in Darul'Islam
(house of peace) and Darul'Harb, (house of war) all the non-Muslim world
is Darul'harb where Muslims have to make war, kill and convert people to
Islam by force. This is obvious today from Philippines, Malaysia
and Indonesia to Algeria. However Muslims keep fighting with each other
constantly where they have no one left to fight with. All the killings
between the Shiites, Sunnis, in Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Algeria,
Iraq/Kuwait are between Muslims.
Islam is a religion of war. It does
nothing but to make people hate each other and kill each other.
22)
You asked:
"...is there one islamic country
that is happy, prosperous and civilized?..."
I answer: yes, for hundreds of years, over a
thousand years in fact, the Islamic Empires were quite happy,
prosperous, and civilized, and cities like Baghdad, Aleppo, Damascus,
Qurtoba where were beacons of light and were bustling with prosperity at
a time when cities like London and Paris were unknown small villages
away in the middle of somehwre, and never mind other cities like Los
Angeles or New York which did not exist. And now, we see the only true
Islamic country, Afghanistan, is happy under Taliban rule, they are
defiant and patient in the face of international sanctions, yet they are
still there. Any other Muslim country is ruled by puppets and hypocrites
loyal only to Washington D.C. and not God above. The reason why many
muslim countries are so unhappy today and in such a state of oppression
is because the Muslims have more or less left Islam and adopted other
false methods like democracy or communism and so many other
"isms". Thus they left Islam and this allowed their enemies to
overcome them. Never ever in history has there ever been a group of
Muslims who stuck to Islam yet their enemies still conquered them.
I have to acknowledge that at least in one thing
you demonstrated honestly and that is when you admit that the Taleban
rule is a true Islamic rule. Many Muslims are embarrassed to admit that
and claim that what Taleban do is not the “real Islam”.
I only request the readers to click on this link
and see the paradise that the “only Islamic country” has made of
Afghanistan and how “happy” are the people.
http://afghan.rawa.org/rawa/gallery.html
This is what the real Islam means.
As for the so called golden age of Islam, it is
important to remember that when Islamic countries were glorious was when
the West was sunk in the darkness of religion while there was an
unrepeated level of secularism and tolerance among the rulers. This
allowed the great minds like ArRazi, In Sina, Ib Rushd, Khayyam and
others to be critical of Islam. These luminaries were harassed yet there
was enough freedom of thoughts that they could denounce Islam and not be
executed. The reason Islam fell is because this freedom was taken away
by brutal regimes that tried to implement the real Islam like the
Taliban and the Mullahs of Iran. In fact Islam can be used as the index
of poverty and barbarity. The more a country is Islamic, the more
miserable it is.
Islam is the
fortress of Belief that cannot be broken. It has withstood all the plots
of its enemies for thousands of years, even when it was in existence
before Prophet Muhammad. The arrival of the paracletos Prophet Muhammad
only served to massively strengthen this fortress. I advise you to seek
shelter within this fortress lest you be overcome by the storm of
Disbelief that is raging furiously outside. Otherwise there will be a
Day when you may regret not having entered this fortress when you had
the chance to do so.
Islam has only survived by executing its critics
and disallowing any questioning of its veracity. However, the technology
has made it impossible to keep people in the dark. The voices of reason
are being heard from every quarter and when reason is the weapon, Islam
is awfully weak. Islam is is fast demise and the countdown of its death
has already started. Islam has maintained itself by threats and
fear. All what Muslims can do is to instill fear of punishment in the
people so they do not dare to question it. This tactic still works on
those who's brain has not developed to maturity. Children and those
adults with the brain capacity of children respond to fear. Adults
don't. Intelligent people demand explanation and want answers.
23)
You said:
"...during the 23 years of his
prophetic life, the prophet was catapulted from rags to riches...."
Once again you have provided no proof for this
absurd statement, and it only serves to show your unjustified spite and
hatred solely for Islam, and not for "all religions" as you
claim.
I never claimed to be the promoter of religiosity
and the champion of atheism. I never said I spite or hate any religion.
All religion in my opinion are man made and superfluous. But I
acknowledge many people need to believe in something and I have no
intention to belittle that need or decry what they hold dear to their
hearts. I fight against Islam and only Islam because Islam advocates
hate and destroys lives just as it is doing in your "Islamic
paradise" Afghanistan, in Iran, in Philippines, in East Timor, in
Indonesia, In Kashmir, In Algeria, In Sudan and in every other Islamic
county. I fight against Islam not because it is a false religion but
because it promotes hate and kills people.
The Prophet Muhammad was
never so poor so as to be called "...from rags..." before or
during his Prophethood. When he married the rich Lady Khadijah, he did
not marry her for her money, rather it was she who proposed to him in
the first place. Before and during his Prophethood he lived a simple and
austere life, and any money that would come into his custody would
usually be gone within three days to the poor and needy.
That is enough of lies and deceit. Muhammad
enriched himself with the stolen booty confiscated first from the
merchant caravans and then from massacring the Jews like Banu Quraiza,
Banu Nadir, Banu Qainuqa and possessing their properties and belongings
and selling them as slaves and sex slaves. This tradition of pillaging
was continued after Muhammad died and Umar and other Caliphs after him,
devastated nation after nation and to fill their own coffers. When
you say he gave away his wealth to the poor and needy, can you tell us
where did he earn that wealth? Wasn't it stolen from the non-Muslims?
There is a hadith that says in one occasion Ayesha manumitted 40 slaves
for expiation after breaking a childish oath. Where did she got that
many slaves? How many slaved did she have to manumit 40 of them in one
occasion for expiation? Muhammad had a score of wives and concubines,
how many slaves all of them had collectively? Muhammad did enrich
himself with the blood money. He was a gangster, a murderer and a thief.
Prophet Muhammad was a
Prophet of Allah, and he did not desire fame, nor riches, nor power. Had
he been aftre riches, fame, or power, he would have easily accepted the
proposals put forth by the pagans that they would pay him huge sums of
money, or make him their king, or take his command in all their affairs,
in exchange that he stop preaching Islam. Prophet Muhammad refused all
this and said he only wanted people to believe and obey in One God. Your
claim that he was catapulted from rags to riches is false and illogical.
This is a self deception that Muslims love to tell
each other. Muhammad was after glory and power. He was a narcissist and
nothing satisfies a narcissist more than being the center of attention.
Narcissists seek power. They want to dominate the minds and hearts of
people and their thirst for power is never ending. Their ambitions are
grandiose because they immensely lack inner security. They are
manipulative and shrewd. Because their thirst for domination consumes
their being, they are relentless and peruse their ambition single
mindedly using every one and every thing a tool to get at what they
crave for - power. They use religion, they use god, the use state, race,
class or any ideology to influence people and win them over. Muhammad
was a sick narcissist not a messenger of God. He went after the ultimate
power and that was to pretend to be the representative of a deity that
the Arabs already believed in and establish is own unquestioning
dominance on their minds, hearts, properties, daughters and even lives.
Nothing could have given Muhammad more power than claiming to be a
messenger of an invisible god. A perfect plot to get unlimited supply
for his narcissistic crave.
There are many more
untruths and false perceptions of Islam on your website. We may discuss
them publicly on your site if you so want and if it is the will of
Allah. I await your response to my challenge.
I have called openly for anyone who wishes to
disprove me to come forward. But by judging from the content of your
email that you sent me after I responded to the first few questions, I
believe now you think that the best way of arguing is to insult.
Ali Sina, if you
ever were a muslim, then I invite you to repent unto Allah and return to
Islam. Study it with an open and clear rational mind, and do not
constrict your mind by judging Islam by today's "modern
humanistic" standards, which in reality are corrupt and immoral
standards based on the pursuit of the material world and oppression, and
not the pursuit of justice and peace.
I am sorry to see how Islam has ruined your
rational thinking capacity sir. If I do not judge Islam or any other
ideology like thousands of the cults that burgeon every day, with
today's modern humanistic standards with what I can measure them?
These "corrupt and immoral" standards of
humanism, as you define them, call for:
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Equality of rights between men and women.
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Freedom of belief and expression.
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Equal rights for all human beings irrespective
of their religion, race, class, gender or nationality.
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Reason as the source of guidance
These are in your opinion are corrupt and immoral.
Islam teaches:
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Men are "afdal" a degree above women.
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No religion except Islam is accepted.
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Only Muslims are equal. The non believers must
be killed, subdued and pay penalty tax.
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The hocus-pocus of Quran is above science and
reason even if what it says is sheer stupidity.
Thank you sir for the invitation to return to
Islam. I rather follow those "corrupt and immoral" standards
of humanism and leave Islam for you.
Wasalam 'ala
man'ittaba al huda
And peace unto those
follow the right guidance.
Ibn Mardhiyah
The following is what Ibn Mardhiyah wrote in
response to my response.
sina
Im
sure shaitaan is proud of you.
Even
shaitaan believes and knows there is one god ,but he did not like this
god .
So
both of you are in the same boat!
You
want a god that suits your sense of liberal qualities, as if you have a
choice of choosing
your creator.
Liberal
>>do as you please, eat as you like , sleep with who you like etc,
as long as you do it in peace....what a sick society , even homosexulism
is acceptable,crime is by the way etc etc etc
Muhammed
salallahu alaihi wasalam, went to taif to preach ,and was stoned etc,he
was bleeding from head to toe. the angels asked him if they
sould crush these people bet mountains, he refused saying maybe their
children would accept. he was physically abused yet he
did not seek revenge, NOW IS THIS THE SAME PERSON YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT....
You've
taken things out of context and presented to the innocent.
What
an hypocrite! You accept some traditions as true and deny other
traditions that describe the miracles of the prophet etc.
Well
you are brainwashed!
You
actually believe you originated from a baboon! They say the AIDS virus
originated from the baboon
I
Pray to ALLAH to inflict on you the disease AIDS
ameen
Ibn Mardhiyah
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