Leaving Islam



Yamin Zakaria vs. Ali Sina 

Part II Page 6

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Incest: This is a sickness of mind. It is by no means an exclusively western problem. In fact incest is much more a problem in Islamic counties than it is in the West. Because the relationship of men and women is taboo and because boys see only their sisters unveiled and accessible, the incest among brothers and sisters and uncle and niece happen a lot more in Islamic countries where the women can be even raped by their family members. This problem rarely surface, unless the sister becomes pregnant and if that happen she is killed to save the "honor" of the family. 

Necrophilia: This is a mental disease and it has nothing to do with race or culture. There are sick people everywhere and I am sure Muslims who are sick in many other ways thanks to their sick religion are no better when it comes to this insanity. Do you have any proof that necrophilia does not happen in Islamic countries? 

Talking about Necrophilia there is a curious hadith that I would like to share.  

This is from a book called "Kanz Al Umal" (The Treasure of the Workers), in the chapter of "The issues of women", authored by Ali Ibn Husam Aldin, commonly known as Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi. He based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in "Al-Jami Al-Saghir," written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti.    

Narrated by Ibn Abbas:

‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin  (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali. (Sentence number 34424   http://www.al-eman.com/Islamlib/viewchp.asp?BID=137&CID=426#s2

Demetrius Explains :  "The Arabic word used here for slept is "Id'tajat," and literally means "lay down" with her. It is often used to mean, "Lay down to have sex." Muhammad is understood as saying that because he slept with her she has become like a wife to him so she will be considered like a "mother of the believers." This will supposedly prevent her from being tormented in the grave, since Muslims believe that as people wait for the Judgment Day they will be tormented in the grave. "Reduce the pressure" here means that the torment won't be as much because she is now a "mother of the believers" after Muhammad slept with her and "consummated" the union. "

The above explanation may not be necessarily correct. I personally think Muhammad simply laid down with the cadaver. There is no doubt that Muhammad was sick in the head but I doubt he was that sick. Anyway, I just quoted the haidith as I found it relevant but my hunch says Demetrius is wrong.

اضطجع مع امرأة في القبر

إني ألبستها قميصي لتلبس ثياب الجنة، واضطجعت معها في قبرها لأخفف من ضغطة القبر، إنها كانت أحسن خلق الله صنيعا إلى بعد أبي طالب - يعني فاطمة أم علي‏.‏

‏(‏الديلمي - عن ابن عباس‏)‏‏.‏


كنز العمال في سنن الأقوال و الأفعال .. باب في جامع مناقب النساء


Snuff Sex: I have no idea what is this. It is the first time I hear such word. Can you please explain to us how it is done and why you think the westerners do it more than Muslims? Bring your proof.

So as you see your accusations are completely baseless. Some of these insanities are practiced more among the Muslims and some of them are even encouraged by Islam. 

Pedophilia: You either forgot or intentionally did not talk about this mental disease. This happens also in the West and the tolerance of the Westerners towards it is inexistence. The pedophiles are hunted down and locked up to protect the children. However you conveniently did not mention it because pedophilia is not a crime in Islamic world at all. Many men have pedophilic relations with young boys and marrying children is also a sunnah. In fact pedophilia in Islam is so normal that Muhammad in his sick way of thinking promised "pearly boys" to his faithful followers. The thought of that is sickening but the fact that Muhammad makes it part of the heavenly rewards shows he thought is it something pleasurable.    

52:24 Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Youths (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

وَيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ غِلْمَانٌ لَّهُمْ كَأَنَّهُمْ لُؤْلُؤٌ مَّكْنُونٌ


Mr Sina, as I stated earlier this is not going to be a debate about Islam or nothing but Islam and the alternative as you said you have a “better alternative”. By rational necessity this has to be the case as issuing criticism by definition means there are criteria for making that judgement. It seems you (Mr. Sina) simply want to sit and levy charges against Islam without elaborating your “better alternative” in fear of exposing yourself. So that others can put your “better alternative” to the docks as much you are doing to Islam. Avoiding this tantamount to intellectual defeat, like the man who wears a mask and calls everyone else ugly but his so-called “better alternative” is kept hidden under the mask because it is in reality very grotesque. Hence, this is important for our viewers to see objectively both sides of the arguments, so that they may know what “better alternative” that they are getting into after leaving ISLAM.  

Of course when we get to the actual debate after you clarified these above points, it would be constructive for you and others to keep to one subject at a time rather than go off at a tangent on many other issues. I see that in your enthusiasm you have touched a lot of subjects no doubt you will get an opportunity so please be patient. 


Once again you urged me to show you a better alternative to Islam. I already said what my alternative is. I am a humanist and a practitioner of the Golden Rule. This is my alternative. But because I believe in the Golden Rule and the freedom of faith, I respect people’s choice to believe in any religion they like. I do not agree with the premises of any of these religions; however I have no right to stop people believing in them. My fight is not against faith, it is against hate. The reason I am against Islam is not because it is a religion but because it is a political movement of imperialism and domination in the guise of religion.  

I know why you insist so much that I tell you what religion I practice when I practice none. You can’t defend Islam. You are only trained to engage in tu quoque or the "you too" fallacy and attack other religions instead of defending Islam. With me you feel helpless. You are completely disarmed. The circuits in your brain are short circled. You just don’t know what to do next.  

Here is where the weakness of Islam is exposed. All you Muslims can do is to counter attack and start finding fault with the religion of your opponent. And since you can’t do that with me, you simply are lost.  

Let me explain this to you Mr. Zskaria. I have no religion. I do not believe in anything. I am a freethinker. I doubt, investigate and come to the truth by weighing the facts. My motto, is doubt everything, find your own light. It is not that I see all religions as totally wrong. I see truth and beauty in all the religions in various degrees. The only religion that is bereft of truth and beauty is Islam. I cherry pick the good things in all the religions and philosophies. I think all religions are manmade. But this does not mean they are bad. Some parts of them are very good. Although I do not think they are divine guidance, I think one can find pearls of wisdom in many of them. The only religion that is pure dung and has no pearls is Islam. Other religions are manmade while Islam is made be a psychopath. This is the big difference.  


You need not worry about telling me about publishing my response, as not only I have a website but huge email database and my articles regularly appear on many websites and newspapers. Issuing such petty threats like a school boy does not bother me so do not waste your time going down that venue. If you do not publish my response the readers will “interpret this as your lack of confident in your ability to win this debate”.  

Yamin Zakaria

London , UK


Finally I am happy to hear that you are going to publish our debate. Please let us know the URL so I can link to your site. You may also link to mine if you choose so.  

Ali Sina

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