Ali Sina's Debate with Waqas and his imam
About Verse 9:5
hir rehman nir raheem
say to kill kaffir in quran ok
few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth
that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside
the pale of Islaam.
Verse from Surah Taubah
following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to
show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality: "Kill
the mushriqeen (pagans, kafirs) where ever you find them." [Al-Qur’an
of verse is during battlefield
of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the
context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a
peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs
(pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs
of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5
of Surah Taubah says: "But
when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye
find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every
stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and
practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is
oft-forgiving, Most merciful." [Al-Qur’an 9:5]
verse is quoted during a
already explained this in my debate with Edip Yuksel one of the leaders of Quran
Only crowd.. I repeat it here.
part of the sura is called Bara’at (deliverance, declaration of immunity)
because in this sura Muhammad claimed Allah released him from blemish and
allowed him to break all his treaties with the Pagans. In the verse 3 Muhammad
himself is saying that it is he who is breaking the treaties. "
And an announcement from God and His Apostle, to the people
(assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage, - that God and His Apostle
dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans."
us see the background. Two years earlier, Muhammad with 1500 men decided to get
for pilgrimage. Meccans did not like the idea. For years Muhammad had taunted
them, raided their caravans and had killed many of their men. Now he was coming
with this many men, all armed and they did not trust him. Muhammad stationed his
men at Hudaibiya and negotiations began. At the end they agreed that Muhammad
and his men should retreat. They were also supposed to refrain raiding the
caravans of the Meccans. Also if any youth escaped to
and wanted to join his army of gangsters, and the parents of these youths did
not agree with that, he was obliged to return them to the Meccans. In exchange
if all the terms of the treaty were observed by the Muhammad and his men, they
could come back the next year, without arms, and perform the prayers. Meanwhile
the Meccans would go out of the city, leaving the town to them so there won’t
be any clashed.
this is incomprehensible to us. But
was a sacred place for the Arabs and even though they were enemies, they would
not fight within the precincts of that town and the Meccans never prohibited
anyone to come there. In fact all the tribes of
had their patron idol housed in Ka’ba – 360 of them.
terms of the treaty was not in favor of the Muslims. In fact Omar was so pissed
off that he started doubting Muhammad. Abu Bakr convinced him to stay.
sensed the general malaise and decided to bring some victory for his followers
and give them some booty so they become content. He sacrificed his camels in
Hudaibiyya and his disgruntled followers did the same. Then he told them to
march northwards and instead of entering Medina
he bypassed that city and fell on Khaibar. The fortress of Khaibar was taken by
surprise. People there were not prepared at all. They were unarmed and had gone
out of their homes to attend their daily business.
Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz:
Anas said, 'When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer
there yearly in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu
Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the
lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet . He
uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he
entered the town, he said, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we
approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of
those who have been warned.' He repeated this thrice. The people came out for
their jobs and some of them said, 'Muhammad (has come).' (Some of our companions
added, "With his army.") We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and
the booty was collected. (Sahih
years after he signed the treaty with the Meccans he was strong enough to break
that treaty. He allied himself with a bunch of other Arabs who foolishly thought
if they join him, they would be spared from his aggressions. What a mistake! So they accompanied
him and stationed themselves on the hills around the
Mecca. Muhammad threatened the Meccans to surrender or face death. The city capitulated because
the Quraish saw that Muhammad is accompanied by 10,000 men. There was also some treachery
and machination on the part of Abbas the uncle of Muhammad. So it was Muhammad who
broke his treaty and not the moshrekeen and the Quran confirms this.
Sura 9 is the last sura that Muhammad wrote. The first part of it
is the text of a speech that Ali read on behalf of Muhammad during the pilgrimage after
had fallen to the Muslims. Muhammad was sick and dying so he did not come. Ali
read this message to all the presents, Muslims and pagans, who were there
performing their hajj. This was the last time pagans performed pilgrimage there.
In this speech (Bara'at) he told the pagans to convert to Islam or face death. He gave them four months
of grace or immunity to go to their homes and after that they would be fair game
for the Muslims. After these four months, they had to accept Islam and pay the
tithes or they would be hunted wherever they are found and put to death. (Quran
for breaking his oaths, Muhammad had never shown any scruples. He broke his
oaths any time it suited him. To justify his treachery he claimed
that others would break their oaths and hence it is okay of he did it
are those with whom thou didst make a covenant, but they break their covenant
every time, and they have not the fear (of Allah). 8.56
thou fearest treachery from any group, throw back (their covenant) to
them, (so as to be) on equal terms: for Allah loveth not the treacherous.”
close attention to the wording. If you fear treachery, throw back their covenant
to them. In other words be treacherous if you "fear" others would be
treacherous to you. This allowed Muhammad to treacherously break his treaties
anytime he desired by just claiming that he feared treachery.
is the typical mindset of the pathological narcissist who projects his own lack
of honor on others and then feels justified to avenge for the breach of an
agreement that has occurred only in his paranoiac mind.
this Sura Muhammad said that if one among the pagans asks for asylum it should
be granted so he can convert to Islam. Therefore victims of Islam cannot
ask for asylum and live their lives freely. They should only be given asylum
provided they convert to Islam and pay zakat and participate in future
expeditions of jihad or become dhimmis and pay jizyah. In other words surrender
and submit to the Muslims.
must keep in mind that Muslims were the aggressors. So it makes no sense to say
let your victims go and accompany them to safety if they stop defending
themselves. If that was the meaning of this verse as Muslim apologists want us
to believe, why attack in the first place?
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