Morality and Islam
Hello Ali Sina,
Every time I get into an
argument with a muslim they keep bringing up points about islam that they
say are positive. 1) Like their is less HIV in Islamic countries.
Is that because they just don't test for it? 2) There is less crime
in islamic countries. 3) Islamic girls are virgins when they are
married and western girls are not. How do I answer to these things?
What I basically tell them is that all my negative points about islam
outweigh the positive points. Please email me back if you can.
It is true! AIDS is less
prevalent in Islamic countries than in non Muslim countries. That is
because Muslims are less promiscuous than others. This is one point to
their credit. However it is not true that the rate of crime in Islamic
countries is lower. Even though petty theft in Islamic countries may be
lower because the penalty for small theft is huge, big theft, i.e.
white collar theft by the government officials is much more prevalent in
Islamic countries than in democracies. In Iran
you can be severely punished for stealing a pair of shoes, but the Mullahs
steal billions with total immunity. The same can be said of Saudi Arabia
where people leave their shops and go to the mosque and no one dares to
steal anything because the punishment is chopping the hands and yet theft
of billions of dollars happen so easily. This is because Islam does not allow
criticism of those in power. Also the violent
crimes in Islamic countries are much higher. However in non-Muslim countries,
without any exception, Muslims have the highest crime rate per capita than
any other ethnic group. The Islamic gangs are the nightmare of Police in
all countries. They are the most vicious and dangerous as they generally
target the non-Muslims and they are protected by the local Muslim community.
Take a look at this scary report
It is true that Muslim brides
are more likely to be virgins than non-Muslim brides. Virginity is
important to Muslims but not so important for non-Muslims. Muslims make
the mistake that if they leave Islam they will have to abandon their
values too. Not so! By leaving Islam you leave all its evil teachings of
hate but it is up to you to keep your good morals and teach them to your
children. Whether Muslim or not, we can be moral if we choose to be or
immoral if we don't. Muhammad himself was a pervert man. So clearly
believing in such a fiend does not make you a moral person. On the
contrary Islam vests with legitimacy what is immoral like having sex with
two, three, or four women at a time, or legalizing prostitution calling it
mutta, sanctioned by Muhammad and prevalent among the Shiites. Furthermore,
it is rare that a Muslim male remain virgin. With whom they have sex then?
The fact is that sex among Muslims is prevalent but usually it does not
end in vaginal penetration. Muslim girls guard their virginity but not
their chastity. Also because Islamic societies are closed often young men
rape their close relatives such as female cousins and even sisters.
Naturally these cases are never reported, as they could end up in the
honor killing of the poor girl.
However, there are a thousand
other huge flaws that are inherent in Islam, such as abuse of womenís
rights. Domestic violence in Islam is not even recognized as violence. And
dare I say this happens in virtually all households. The exceptions exists
but they are just that - exceptions. Muslim men are chauvinists and abusive in general.
If you count that as violence like the civilized countries do, you will
see that the rate of violence in Islamic countries is many fold higher
than in non-Islamic ones.
The minorities in Islamic
countries have no rights. Freedom of thought and speech that are the
cornerstones of progress, in Islamic countries do not exist. So while
Muslim men feel happy that their wivesí hymen was intact, (which often
is fixed with a minor surgery prior to the marriage to fool the husband) they lose on
everything else including their humanity. A person who is not free to
think and speak is reduced to the state of an animal.
about it. None of the thousands of major inventions is attributed to a
Muslim. If the world converts to Islam, women will be virgin and those who
are not will be stoned but the world will regress to barbarity and
progress will stop. Is this a good price to pay for having the privilege
of tearing the hymens of our wives ourselves? .
Apart from the fact that
selling our freedom for hymen does not seem to be a good bargain, while it
is possible for the non-Muslims to become less promiscuous, by converting
to other religions such as Christianity that also teaches chastity or just
decide to be less promiscuous out of personal maturity, it is not possible
for Muslims to evolve as humans because the freedom to think and
speak which is the hallmark of humanity is taken away from them.
All religions teach morality. In fact you don't have
to be religious to be moral. I am not religious and I too believe in
morality. You don't become a moral person by being part of a certain
religion. You become moral when you live morally. Since all religions
teach morality, you can be moral being a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Christian, a
Jew or even a Daoist which is not a theist religion. I choose to be a
What kind of morality is this that a Muslim is
allowed to have sex with women captured in war and slave girls? If you
really put Islam under scrutiny, you'll see that it is a very immoral
So you are absolutely right, the
mountain of bad things in Islam overweigh the grain of good things. You
can keep that grain of good things, even if you leave Islam, but you won't
be able to get rid of all the evil of Islam without leaving it.
Added later the same day:
Someone sent me the following link. So looks like my
admission that there is less AIDS in Islamic countries was a mistake.
Hidden Crisis In Arab, Islamic Countries
Hello Ali Sina,
I'm so happy to see your replied to my
questions and put it on the front page. From what your
telling me it seems all three of the points are false. The
first point about HIV. It is true Islam that Islam
prevents promiscuity, but only among women. Men are
allowed to be as promiscuous as they want like the prophet
Mohammed. They can go around raping women in Sweden,
Australia etc. and then come back to their own country and do
the same. They could spread the virus that way.
Male to Female transmission has a higher rate. I am
a health care provider and once saw a Pakistani man married
to an American female. He use to sleep with prostitutes
and they were tested positive for HIV. I'm sure this is a
problem that is not really tested for in these countries.
I'm sure the rates seem like their lower but there are
probably a lot of undiagnosed cases.
As for the second point about less crime in
Islamic nations. What you and I may consider to be
immoral may not be immoral in an Islamic society. What you
and I may consider to be a crime may not be such a crime (eg,
domestic violence, etc) in an Islamic society. In
that sense they may have a lower crime rate. We're talking
about a society whose definition of what constitutes a crime and
what constitutes immorality are totally different from the rest
of the world.
Now the third point about Islamic women being virgins
at marriage. What your telling me is that there is a
lot of rape going on in these communities and their are a lot of
operations going on to repair hymens. We don't really know
what the frequency of that is because these things are kept
silent. So maybe only 50% of the women are virgins at
marriage, maybe 25% of the women are virgins at marriage, or
maybe the figure is some figure close to what the figure is in
Western societies. Your point about males relatives raping
sisters and first cousins is not hard to believe. As I
said I'm a health care provider and I have seen lots of
consanguis marraiages among Muslims especially Pakistanis.
There are lots of first cousin marriages. What's up with
So after hearing what you told me I'm not convinced that
any of these points are even true.
You said it better than me.