Eradicate or to Moderate!
This is the Question.
Islam become a moderate religion? There are many people, especially none
Muslims, who think it is much easier to reform Islam and make it a
moderate religion than try to eradicate it. This question of course
would not occur to a Muslim because he does not believe Islam needs to
be reformed. A Muslim who thinks Islam needs to be reformed is not a
Muslim anymore, he is a refusenik, a dissenter, an apostate. Such a
person does not call himself a Muslim anymore and no Muslim accept him
as Muslim either. Muslims allow themselves to interpret the Quran to
suit their understanding, but they do not allow themselves to question
it or oppose it.
are people who think the problems affecting the Islamic world has little
to do with Islam and that they are due to the character of the people.
Recently a new poster in the forum of this site wrote:
situation is more complex than to simply say "by ridding the world
of Islam, these things will cease to exist". Or, to put it another
way, "Muslims do honour killings, therefore if we make them 'not
muslim' then they won't do honour killings any more."
fact is that many of the vices of the Muslims are due to the bad
teachings of Islam. Iranians did not practice hand chopping, women
stoning or eye gauging in their pre-Islamic civilization. But with the
blessing of Islam now they do. These draconian laws are not cultural but
religious. Honor killing for example is not specifically prescribed in
the Quran, but it is generally practiced in most Islamic countries,
because honor killing is the logical consequence of the misogynistic and
patriarchal ethos of Islam. Islam
does not directly teach many of the bad practices of the Muslims but
Islam is responsible for inspiring those bad practices.
we can’t bring about any significant change in Islamic countries
because Islam acts as a major obstacle. The only option for change is to
remove this obstacle.
same poster wrote:
view is that human character is the eventual (and final) source of every
action. Thus, if we are to blame anyone, it is not Islam itself rather
the individuals who specifically perpetrate these deeds.”
we say that holocaust had nothing to do with Nazism and it was just in
the character of the Germans? I agree that those who perpetrate these
deeds are responsible but don’t you think doctrines have anything to
do with the way humans behave? There were people who believed if they
ate the heart or liver of their enemies they would inherit their
courage. Do you think such belief had nothing to do with the fact that
these people practiced cannibalism? Idi Amin was one such person. The
thugs in Islamic Republic of Iran used to rape the virgin girls before
executing them. This was because of an Islamic belief that virgins will
not go to hell. So to eliminate this obstacle in the way of God and free
his hands to send them to hell they would rape their victims prior to
are what you think. We act according to our beliefs. If we believe in
doctrines that teach us women should not be seen because their sight
make men sin we impose on them draconian measures and curtail their
human rights. If we believe that a certain group of people is “najis”,
(untouchable, filthy) by virtue of their beliefs, we take away their
rights and abuse them. In the past in most Islamic countries Jews,
Christians and other minorities were not allowed to go out of their
homes on rainy days because a drop of rain could rub from their najis
bodies and soil the Muslims. This belief was responsible for a lot of
discrimination and atrocities. In
Pakistan Muslims kill the Christians, In Bangladesh they kill the
Hindus, Christian missionaries are killed in most Islamic countries, Can
we really say that Islam has nothing to do with it and it is all the
fault of the people?
all the Muslims are extremists. Many are moderate. In fact most of the
Muslims, not only in the west but also in Islamic countries are moderate
and wonderful people. The truth is however that most of the Muslims are
not knowledgeable of the real Islam and do not practice it. As a matter
of fact if they come to know the real Islam they will leave Islam at
once in shock and horror. The real Islam is the one practiced by the
Taliban, the Islamic Republic of Iran (now slightly more moderate than
when it came to power with Khomeini) and the Wahhabis.
We are fighting against the true Islam not the moderate Muslims.
poster asked, “ Instead of "eradicating" Islam, then,
wouldn't it be easier to push towards moderation?
answer is that moderation in Islam means less Islam. How do you
propose we bring about this moderation? Quran teaches murder of the
infidels, chopping hands of petty thieves, stoning adulterers and
beheading apostates. How can we make Islam moderate if we do not
challenge these teachings and tell the Muslims these are wrong? How can
we do that if we do not tell the Muslims that Muhammad was a liar and
not a prophet? To undermine these teachings we have to show that they
are not from God. That is what FFI is doing.
We are bringing moderation by eradicating Islam. That is the only
people before us have tried to make Islam moderate without challenging
the authority of the Quran. They all failed and you can see by the
result. One thousand year ago a group of Muslim rationalists who called
themselves Mo’tazelis formed a school of thought that said religion
must be in conformity with reason and if they contradict, the latter
must be given precedence. No trace of them is left. That school is dead,
because it did not go far enough to denounce Islam altogether. Sufism
that was created to make Islam a more moderate religion by giving the
harsh verses of the Quran esoteric meanings, has failed to establish
itself as the main stream and in many cases has proven to be no less
intolerant than other brands of Islam. Once you give any credibility to
the Quran, you acknowledge that this book has some validity and some
divine authority. Then you lose completely the power to confront its
barbaric teachings and Islamic fundamentalism wins each and every time.
make Islamic world moderate, there is only one thing to do and that is
to eradicate Islam. Islamic
moderation is a myth. Such thing does not exist just as a round square
does not exist.
Muslims indeed show signs of moderation. Some even drink and engage in
premarital sex. However these Muslims change their ways and become
good example of that is my own cousin who did exactly that and one day
he had an accident while drinking and driving. Luckily he did not die.
But he interpreted this incidence as a warning from God and turned to
Islam becoming a hardliner. Iran 25 years ago was not a fundamentalist
Islamic state. Iranians were mostly “moderate” Muslims. All that
Muslims believe Islam is the source of all the good and anything else is
perversity. This belief is enshrined in their subconscious. Many of them
like to live freely and enjoy the pleasures that life offers. Nevertheless,
subconsciously they believe they will one day go back to pure Islam and
repent to gain Allah’s forgiveness. As long as this belief lingers in
their subconscious, there is little hope for them to get themselves rid
of Islamic fundamentalism. Islam’s gravitational pull, which is based
on fear, is so strong that like a black hole sucks them into its darkest
core. Fear is the most primitive and the strongest instinct of us
humans. Islam operates at this level.
Reason is not as strong as fear. Fear is the most powerful force that
operated on a subconscious level. To free Muslims from Islam we have to
liberate them from their fears and to do that we have to show them that
Muhammad was nothing but a liar and a charlatan. That he was an evil man
who fooled people for his own personal gain, power and grandiosity.
about moderate Muslims? What their views are on the harsh teachings of
Islam, e.g. stoning the adulterers or killing the apostates, etc.? The
answer is that the moderate Muslims deny that such rules are Islamic.
But they are wrong and when they are confronted with the real teachings
of Islam, they have no option but to submit to the will of Allah. As
long as Muslims are unable to accept that Islam is false there is no
chance for them to maintain their “moderate” views. The only way to
make Islam moderate is to challenge it and eradicate it.
also this article: Can
Islam be Reformed?