Mr. Shahid Bin Waheed challenged
me to a debate. I
agreed but he decided not to debate in the forum but rather invited me
to appear in front of a video camera. The following was my response and
As for debate, of course you are asking
something that you know is not very realistic. If I allow myself to be
pictured and videoed, how long you think it will take until I become a
dead man? Have you seen the kind of loving
threats that the Muslims send me and I publish in the Muslims’ Comment
page in my site?
Now, I don’t see
why we should not be able to conduct the debate through the Internet. The
debate can be read by thousands of people at their leisure even years from
avoided debating with you by asking for very unrealistic conditions. His
conditions were absurd and a clear indication that he is trying to avoid
the debate. Now you are proposing an even more absurd condition for the
debate. Is it because you do not want to face the truth? Anyway if you
change your mind and accept to debate through the Internet, I am always
ready. Otherwise I invite you again, to discuss this matter with me in
private. In this way you'll feel more comfortable admitting the truth.
I also sent you
personal emails asking you to rethink your allegiance a man unfit to be
called a human and invited you to read the articles that I have written
refuting Islam. I told you that Islam is a sinking ship and you are only
wasting your time building an Islamic site and promoting a cult of terror.
What you get out of it? People of the world are waking up and Muslims are
becoming the target of scorn and ridicule. When you die you’ll be very
disappointed for having followed the falsest religion on earth and very
ashamed in front of your creator who will ask you, “Didn’t I send you
Ali Sina to warn you that you are misguided? Didn’t I give you a brain
to use? What are you going to tell him? You will be dejected here and
rejected there. This is a bad business indeed.
Dear Shahib, there
is still time. Go to my site and read my articles. There are only two
possibilities. a) I am right b) I am wrong. If I am right, then you will
be a very happy man to leave a falsehood and join the truth. But if I am
wrong you must be able to prove me wrong. I think this is very fair and
SBWUS: As for your excuse is concerned
to avoid an open debate it is not acceptable any rational person, let
alone me. Because I have never seen some one got killed because of his/her
ignorance. My family and I have been victims of hate crimes three times.
One was a deadly attack that we survived, Christians perpetrated all.
Beside that I have death threats right on my face in person and then I
have death sentences awarded by thugs like Murtadd-e-Azam Osama Abdallah
and Nadir Ahmed, who have repeatedly published and motivated people to
kill me. But I am not hiding and in fact, I have challenged these people
for open debate. I strongly suspect that realistically, you like to attack
Islam and Muslims from behind the nameless and faceless medium of
Internet, since you have no real substance to stand upon for two minutes
in a debate. Therefore, your and your buddies use this as pretext and/or
excuse to avoid an open and face to face debate. Last but not least, I
cannot accept your excuse and as I have said before, I don’t play
pseudo-games and I don’t participate in pseudo-debates. By the way, how
you intend to convince people that you are a real person with solid proof
and/or arguments against Islaam, Qur’aan, Muhammad (SAW) and Muslims? No
wonder people don’t take you seriously and believe that you are a
henchman of website “answering-islam.org.”
I like to read people who have animated minds and I like those who can
process. That is why I am different than those mainly 6/7 idiot websites
supposedly operated by so-called Muslims. As I have said at your message
board and I don't give a damn if some one allegedly leaves Islaam and I
don't give a hoot if some one converts to Islaam. I am also not in
business to make the anti-Islaam elements look good before their
constituencies. The open debate I have challneged to all @ http://www.examine-the-truth.com/challenge.htm and
earlier many times to most of the people have always same terms. I am also
not desperate and dying to be underspotlight like the thug Nadir Ahmed.
Threfore, as I have said before I say it again, that I am the challneger
who demand an open debate based on the simple rule: SINK or SWIM, if one
got something that you have prove against or for Islaam, one will be
victorious forvever and the proof of our claims and the outcome will be a
testament on Internet, via VCD and/or DVDs etc.
Truth is always faced in person and face to face and not behind the
desktop using a nameless and faceless medium i.e. Internet. As far as
Nadir Ahmed the thug goes, he is TOAST not me as he bragged about
bullshitting at your message board. Nadir Ahmed can run and he can't hide
from debating me; unless he give up his bullshit. That is why I have
posted at your message board naming the names of the thugs that if you
want to screw them in debate, you will get help from me and we will see
how Nadir Ahmed and his cartel escape this, if I am asked to help
Indeed, you have
sent me personal email motivating me to leave Islaam. But so far I have
found nothing substential, which may result leaving my chair let
alone Islaam. However, my debate challnege is a golden opportunity for
Christians (manily of website answering-islam.org like Jochan Katz, Sam
Shamoun and Silas to name few) and most importantly you to
convice me to join eighter side. So, why don't you accept my challnege for
an open public debate, prevailing in that debate will enable you to reach
countless people with your message.
As for your
excuse is concerned to avoid an open debate it is not acceptable any
rational person, let alone me. Because I have never seen some one got
killed because of his/her ignorance.
I fully agree
with you. No sane person kills ignorant people. In fact we have over a
billion ignorant people living in this planet with total freedom and their
rights are protected by the civilized people of the world. It is the
intelligent people who are often killed by ignorant people. This tradition
of killing the intellectuals dates back to the time of Muhammad who
ordered the assassination of poets and his critics. Perhaps you are
familiar with names such as Abu Afak, Asma bint Marvan and Ka’b ibn
Ashraf. These people were assassinated by Muhammad’s men at his behest
only because they composed poems denouncing Muhammad.
The tradition of
assassinations has continued up to this day and as you know the Murtads or
the apostates of Islam get killed. The most celebrated case is the fatwa
against Salman Rushdie, which even Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens)
approved and a couple of his translators were assassinated. Ahmad Kasravi
was also assassinated, Ali Dashti passed his last years in jail, and even
Rashad Khalifa was murdered accused of apostasy. Thousands of Bahais and
Ahamadis were murdered only because they were considered to be murtatd.
hadith can make the point clear:
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The
news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in
his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it,
saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would
have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever
changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
If you do not
want to believe in that hadith may be the following verse of the Quran
will make you see the truth:
that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a
level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake
their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity)
then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no
friend nor helper from among them, (Q.4:
Here we see
Muhammad is telling his followers to abandon friendship of those Muslims
who do not leave
and then he says kill them if they return to their families.
This shows that
Islam is a cult. Jim Jones was also paranoid about those followers who
left him and he ordered those who wanted to desert him to be killed. Jim
Jones and Muhammad were both psychopaths.
I am sorry to
hear that your family has been the victim of hate crime. But I don’t
think the perpetrators were Christians. Christianity does not advocate
violence. Now that does not mean that some Christians do not commit acts
of violence, but one could always argue that what they do is derived out
of the ignorance of the tenets of their Faith. So I think you and your
family became victims of violence by those who are afraid of Islam and not
necessarily Christians. Many people are afraid of Islam and that is for
very valid reasons.
But in Islam
violence is prescribed as a pillar of faith and it was practiced by
Muhammad. Violence in Islam is an institution.
Take for example
“Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is
possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you”? (Q.2:216).
Is really fighting good for people? But when this did not work he
coerced them with the following:
“Unless ye go forth, He (Allah) will punish you with a grievous
penalty, and put others in your place”?
Although I do not condone or justify violence, I can predict that the
violence against Muslims is going to get worse. The more your brothers
commit acts of violence, beheadings, suicide bombings and murders, the
more the public opinion is turned against the Muslims and Muslims become
targets of hate. This is very human.
I hope people read my site and realize that Muslims are victims. I have
helped a lot of people to see that there is a difference between Muslims
and Islam and although this ideology of hate has to be eradicated, Muslims
must not become the target of hate. After all Muslims, once abandon Islam
become the best allies of the civilized world and they fight with more
determination to slay Islam and free their brethren from the bondage of
this evil cult.
So if you do not want to become a target of violence, I suggest you
shave and clothe like decent people. I assume you and your wife still
dress with Islamic attire. Well people associate that dress with
terrorists and for very good reasons. So why look like a terrorist when
you are not? Wear decent clothing and tell your wife to take off that veil
of shame and you’ll see that people’s attitude towards you changes
dramatically. I dress like any other person walking in the street and I
never feel any hostility and discrimination.
"Beside that I have death threats right
on my face in person and then I have death sentences awarded by thugs like
Murtadd-e-Azam Osama Abdallah and Nadir Ahmed, who have
repeatedly published and motivated people to kill me."
I don’t know who Osama Abdallah is.
But that title, Murtadd-e-Azam, belongs to me and no one else. I doubt Mr.
Osama Abdallah thinks of himself as a Murtad. So please let us stop
accusing people of things that they do not agree. They believe in Muhammad
just as you do. You are however angry at each other. This does not make
either one of you Murtad. You are all Muslims and it is the nature of
Muslims to hate each other and fight amongst one another. This is a
tradition that Muhammad established. Do you remember the mosque that he
ordered to be burned with its worshippers inside after he returned from
Tabuk? Well those were Muslims, they built that mosque and invited him to
visit them and “bless” their mosque with his presence. Other Muslims,
who were jealous, badmouthed them and Muhammad ordered their mosque and
them to be burnt.
This tradition continued when Ali massacred
thousands of Kawarej and the fratricide war between Muslims began. Even
today we constantly hear that Sunnis kill the Shiites in
So my dear Shahib, the fact that you and
other Muslims do not get along is no news. Muslims can’t get along with
anyone and that is thanks to their evil belief system. You are all Muslims
my friend. The Murtadd-e Azam (The Great Apostate) is no one but yours
Now if you think killing people
for what they believe is wrong, then you are not a Muslim and I invite you
to investigate what I say and leave Islam. You won’t be able to destroy
thugs like Nadir while you are part of his gang. You have to come out of
Islam first. Join me and together we will destroy Islam and reduce thugs
such as Nadir to naught.
"But I am not hiding and in fact, I have
challenged these people for open debate.
Yes you did that and Nadir admitted that he
is afraid to confront you. So leave it at that. You are already the
winner. Now let us move on and instead of wasting your energy on
individuals like Nadir, find out the facts about Muhammad. You’ll be
surprised to learn that that man was the master of all the thugs.
I strongly suspect that realistically, you
like to attack Islam and Muslims from behind the nameless and faceless
medium of Internet, since you have no real substance to stand upon for two
minutes in a debate.
Yes, I really want to attack Islam from
behind a nameless and faceless medium of Internet. I find this a most
wonderful tool to fight Islam while still I can go out without constantly
looking over my shoulder. After all who cares about me, my name and face?
I am not asking anyone to believe anything I say because of my authority.
I encourage people to doubt every word I say and verify it on their own.
That is why I hardly ever give my opinions, whatever I say is backed by
the Islamic sources such as the Quran, hadith and the authentic books of
history like Sira and Tabari.
Now, do I have any ground (substance) to
stand upon? That is something we will find out once we start debating. Who
knows! You may be right and I may have missed a crucial point that you can
make me see. If that happen then of course we will both win. You win by
showing my errors and I win by finding the truth. I think this is a
win/win situation. Of course the reverse is true too. Or at least I hope
you’ll have the same commitment to the truth that I have and will leave
Islam if and when I prove to you that Muhammad was only a charlatan cult
leader and a very evil man indeed.
You and your buddies use this as pretext
and/or excuse to avoid an open and face to face debate.
What is the point in face to
face debate? That kind of debate is mostly for entertainment. We don’t
want to see who is a better debater or who has more charisma. I am sure
you must be a very good debater with a lot of charisma. But I am not there
to seek personal gain and popularity. I want the debate between ideas not
I like written debate because
this allows me to prepare my responses, find the appropriate quotes and in
general produce a more thoughtful and intelligent argument. This makes the
debate more meaningful and interesting. Of course personal safety is also
important to me.
Last but not least, I cannot accept your
excuse and as I have said before, I don’t play pseudo-games and I
don’t participate in pseudo-debates.
Well you are already debating with me. All
you have to do is to carry on. We’ll later publish these email exchanges
in our respective sites.
By the way, how you intend to convince people that you are a real person
with solid proof and/or arguments against Islaam, Qur’aan, Muhammad
(SAW) and Muslims? No wonder people don’t take you seriously and believe
that you are a henchman of website “answering-islam.org.”
That is okay. As I said I am not asking anyone to believe in anything I
say. I encourage people to doubt me. After all I could be, as you say,
“a henchman of the answering-Islam” a Zionist or anything. So why
should anyone in his right mind believe whatever I say. I do not want
people believe in my words. That is why I always back my statements with
I like that attitude. I like when you start doubting. You should never
accept anyone blindly. Now tell me dear Shahib, have you ever asked
yourself what proof Muhammad brought to back his claim?
Think about it. Muhammad gained a lot by that claim. He was a poor man
and he became the king of
, he had control over people’s lives. He slept with any woman he wanted.
What was his proof? Nothing! He simply made the claim and demanded
On the other hand I am asking nothing for myself. I stand to gain
nothing if you believe me. Also I am not asking anyone to take my words as
the truth but I am asking you to investigate. I prove whatever I say with
facts and documents.
What ever I say is logical and commonsense. Muhammad’s claims are
outlandish. He said that he rode a horse and climbed to the seventh
heaven. Isn’t that the most bizarre tale? He said a couple of angels
came to him opened his chest, washed his heart and filled it with wisdom
that they brought on a platter of gold. Now isn’t that ridiculous? Can
you put wisdom on a platter? Is wisdom a material object? Can you fill
someone’s heart with wisdom like you stuff a turkey? Shouldn’t wisdom
be placed in the brain and not in the heart? Don’t you find these
stories stupid? Muhammad claimed that he split the moon. Is that logical
to you? He claimed to have visited the Jinns and converted them to Islam.
These are stupid tales my friend. You have no difficulty believing in a
man who told such asinine stories and stood to gain so much from those
lies and you demand no proof. Isn’t this absurd? What were Muhammad’s
credentials? None! You simply choose to believe in him blindly.
I am not asking you to believe in me. I want you to doubt me and verify
my claim. I am not standing to gain anything either.
But you still want to know who am I? Who cares!
I am giving you facts that you can verify on your own. Who cares who am
I? Say if someone tells you the Earth is round and proves it to you, why
would you want to know about that person? You can find out this fact on
your own too. My person, my credibility and authority are irrelevant here.
You can see whatever I say on your own. These facts stand on their own
merit and are valid even if I am proven to be the greatest liar in the
The claim of Muhammad, however have to do a lot with his credibility.
Why is it that you believe in that man when he was unable to prove any of
his claims and his credibility is doubtful?
Greetings Mr. Ali Sina
I noticed that you have literally attempted
to employ tactics to the kind of debate you have always been fond of.
However, this would be my last email on this subject matter, since I
don’t debate the way you like. By the way I am not sure which pseudo-Islaamic
cult you belonged to before you left Islaam allegedly. There is no such
thing as vigilante justice in Islaam. Your assertions are incorrect rather
an outright misrepresentation of truth. Yusuf Islam never approved
killings. Beside that the Fatwa against Salam Rushdi (who is still living
and alive) was given by Khomeni, and not a Muslim. In Islaam, punishment
of apostasy is a Hudd punishment and the Islaamic State/Judge can only
implement that after due process. Rasad Khalifa may have been killed
because he raped an under age girl, but there is no proof for your
assertion. You seem to be eager to balme Muslims for every death or
Please give me a break;
we know who were the perpetrators of hate crimes against my family
and property were, with 100% certainty, and they were Christians
because we have the evidences. By the way during that time we were not the
only victim of hate crimes against Muslims. Hate crimes against Muslims
have increased in
after 9/11 1600% according to FBI. Despite of that I wrote an article
of Muslims Living in USA. http://www.rense.com/general35/dnne.htm
This article was published by Rensence.com a website with over EIGHT
million visitors each month.
First hate crime against us was right after Palestinian Intifadah
began, and two were right after 9/11. These hate crimes took place before
my relationship to Murtadd-e-Azam Osama Abdallah and Nadir Ahmed the thug
went sour. Nevertheless, that didn’t stop be to go underground.
Bottom line Mr. Ali Sina,
though I have noticed that you have already started your generalization
and attacks against Islaam and Prophet of Islaam in a very bigoted fashion
to drag me into a kind of debate, that benefits your agenda. But I hate to
disappoint you that I have always available to the people whom I have
challenged for an open public debate many times during the course
of years and lately published and/or posted at your website and mine
for Open Public Debate in Front of Video Camera
I would love to face you
in an open public debate before the video camera and would love to respond
to your claims and would love to impeach you for your allegations. But
there would be no further dailogue via email and/or at any forum and/or
website in this regard. Anyone can publish anything on the Internet,
especially at their website. Please feel free to contact me once you are
ready for real debate i.e. An open public debate in fornt of video camera.
By the way why rest of those who have been challnged are mute, what they
are afraid of, they are:
Ibn Warraq (spelling?)
Ali Sina of Faith Freedom.org
Ahmed of Examine the Truth.com
Abdallah of answering-christianity.com
Meherally of most merciful.com
for debate on 10-06-04)
for any other qualified individual[s]
I am afraid your
information about Yusuf Islam and his support of the Fatwa against Salman
Rushdie is not correct.
was alleged to have fully supported the fatwa proclaimed by the Ayatollah
against Salman Rushdie following the publication of The Satanic Verses.
Although he has subsequently distanced himself from such sentiments, the
man who once sang "I Love My Dog" and "Granny" did
state in 1989: "The Qu'ran makes it clear if someone defames the
Prophet, then he must die." source
Later he tried to be
apologetic and explain away his statements claiming they were taken out of
context or misunderstood.
media tried linking me to supporting the
's Fatwa on Salman Rushdie. The fact is that I never did support the
Fatwa. Such is the irony. You wouldn't ask a Christian to deny one of the
Ten Commandments; equally, as a new Muslim, I couldn't deny that the Quran,
just like Leviticus in the Bible, forbade blasphemy and if there is no
repentance, made it a capital offence." source
As for Rashad
Khalifa and his rape, yes that it true. This is the story which
appeared in the "Tucson
Citizen," October 6, 1979, p. 2B:
The article clearly states:
". . .a 16-year-old-girl testified that
he [RK]raped her while supposedly recruiting her for a United Nations
"According to the girl, Khalifa
recruited her to do research on the aura, a luminous radiation that
supposedly surrounds the body, and met her Sept. 3 at an
office for that purpose."
"The girl said Khalifa asked her to
remove her clothing so that it wouldn't interfere with her aura and after
massaging several parts of her body, he proceeded to have sexual relations
"...Khalifa admitted to the police that
he had manipulated the girl's breasts during his research. . . ."
"Justice of The Peace James West held a
three-day hearing, and found sufficient evidence to order Khalifa to
"stand trial on charges of sexual assault, sexual abuse, and sexual
contact with a minor."
At the time of this incident Rashad was 43, was married, and had two
But you seem to
condemn Rashad Khalifa and not Muhammad who raped a 9 year old girl when
he was 54. Can you explain this duplicity?
If your alibi is
that the sex between Aisha and Muhammad was consensual can you please tell
us how a 9 year old who is incapable to buy, sell or make any important
decision can consent to sex or marriage?
You have to accept
that Islam is evil. You must admit that Muhammad was a psychopath liar
much worse than Rashad Khalifa, much more cunning than him, much more
manipulative and deceiving than all the charlatans and cult leaders. You
have to admit that if Muhammad was alive today, he would be put in jail
for what he did to the 9 year old Aisha.
Once again I invite
you to wake up from this self induced slumber and leave the evil cult of
Islam. As they say you can run but you can’t hide. My site is growing,
millions of people are coming to see the truth and Islam will become
despised by all the people of the world. The intelligent Muslims across
the world are joining our movement and we are truly bringing about the
Renaissance in the Muslim world.
I regret hearing
your family was subjected to violence, but as I said, you should prepare
yourself for worse. Unfortunately not everyone reads my site to understand
that violence is the wrong way. People react to the news of Islamic
terrorism. If you want to stay out of the harm’s way you must either
change, stop believing in Islam and dressing up like the terrorists or let
everyone know about faithfreedom.org so they become educated and know you
are not guilty, the problem is with the cult that you have embraced and
the intense brainwashing that you have received.
Muslims do not
realize that FFI is their greatest ally. We help Muslims see the truth
about Islam and leave that ugly cult and help others to understand the
difficulty in which Muslims find themselves and why it is not easy for
them to change their religion.
Unlike Muhammad who
dug ditches, we build bridges. Unlike him who brought hate and ignorance,
we offer love and understanding.
It is okay if you do
not wish to debate. This shows that deep down inside and at a subconscious
level, you know the truth but at the same time you are not ready to face
it consciously. May be you are afraid. Fear is a great deterring
Yes my dear FEAR
is the most powerful human emotion. You can easily see Islam is stupid but
fear stops you from allowing yourself to doubt. Thanks to this fear you
try to find justifications and rationalizations to continue believing.
Fear works. Look at the Muslims
comments in this site. All they can tell me is that I will be
punished. There is no logical argument, no proof but only fear. Islam is
founded on fear. And fear is the tool of the psychopath.
How can a loving god
burn people for eternity and tortures them in the most gruesome ways as
described in the Quran? Can really this be true? Don’t you think it is
possible that Muhammad concocted these foolish fables to keep the gullible
trapped with fear?
Good luck my
friend. I hope other Muslims in your list will also ponder on what they
are doing and they stop following a mad man, leave this evil cult and join
the fold of humanity.