a debate between
Javed Ahmad Ghamidi vs. Ali
Ali Sina's response:
Dear Mr. Khalid Zaheer:
I am glad and honored that Mr. Javed Ahmad Ghamidi
has accepted the invitation of Free Inquirer to debate with me. I am
also pleased that you agree to share your knowledge with us and respond
to my questions. Unfortunately
most Muslim scholars are not as open-minded as your good
self and Mr. Ghamidi. They seem to have boycotted me and prefer to
ignore me as if I do not exist. The truth is that I do exist and the
questions that I have raised are making the public – both Muslim and
non-Muslim – talk. The reluctance of Muslim scholars to respond to my
questions reflect poorly on them and also on Islam. Therefore it is
heartening to find a real scholar who is confident enough to not shirk
from confronting a “renegade” apostate like yours truly.
You also emphasized on the futility of engaging in
“a polemic which results
in a senseless competition of rhetoric wherein the contestants are in
reality playing a game in the garb of an academic debate.” I cannot agree more and let me add that I admire your
positive attitude and your commitment to truth. This is indeed a
rare quality and it speaks volumes about your, and Mr. Ghamidi’s
integrity as true scholars. Our goal, as you stated, should be to
unravel the truth and not to childishly try to win the argument at any
cost. Since this debate/dialogue will be posted on the Internet for
everyone to see, I am sure our readers do not expect anything less from
either one of us and such an immature behavior would be tantamount to
shooting ourselves in the foot.
When the objective is to find the truth, talking
about “defeating the other party” is puerile. How can one be
defeated when at the end of the debate truth triumphs and we all learn
something? The triumph of the truth means the victory for everyone. The
one who learns more is the bigger winner and it is in this sense alone
that I hope to be a winner. Only those who have inflated egos will feel
defeated once proven wrong. I was born ignorant and still I am to a
great extent. I learned everything I know from others. I have
no shame of my ignorance. It is haughtiness, condescendence and
obstinacy that are shameful. You know better than me that ego acts as a
veil to enlightenment and understanding.
To know that you don't know is the foundation
of all wisdom. Willing to doubt what you know is the virtue of the sage.
Haughtiness and arrogance are the traits of the fool.
Since we both are after the
truth, I am sure this discussion would be a win/win for both of us and
also for our readers.
I read the page you sent me as attachment and I
fully agree with its content. Let me assure you that I am not going to
present any argument that is not in the Quran, the Sahih Hadith (Bukhari,
Muslim, Sunan Abu-Dawud) and the Sira (Ibn Ishaq, Tabari, Waqidi, Ibn
Sa’d) as evidence. I may quote some scholars to make an example but
our discussion will be only on the above-mentioned sources.
Let us begin without further ado.
I will address now Mr. Ghamidi. I will start with less contentious subjects and
move on to more difficult ones. My first question is about intercession.
In your book Al Bayan you have made it clear
that intercession, as believed by many Muslims, is a myth. You quoted
the following verses of the Quran to back up your claim:
reward] from the Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that lies
between them; the most Gracious – there is no one who has
the authority to speak on His
behalf. On the Day when Gabriel and the angels will stand arrayed
[before Him]. [The Day] when only they will speak whom the most Gracious
allows and who speak the truth.” (78:37-38)
In the footnote you wrote the following
explanation: “This and the next
two verses strongly negate the philosophy of mediation and intercession.
The angels whom the polytheists believe to be their intercessors will
themselves respectfully stand before the Almighty on the Day of
Judgement. No one will have the position to speak on behalf of the
Almighty. Only they will speak whom the Almighty permits and they too
will not be able to utter anything false.”
You also quoted verse 2:48:
guard yourselves against the day when no soul shall be of use to another
in anyway and no intercession shall be accepted and no compensation be
taken from it and nor will people be helped.
Then you commented: “There is a negation of three
things in this verse: intercession, compensation and help. However, this
is just the negation of the outcome: actually the negation is of the
existence of someone who can intercede, compensate or help. In other
words, what is implied is that on that day there will be no
intercession, compensation and help because there will be no person who
would do these.”
This sounds reasonable to me. In fact there are
many verses in the Quran that confirm what you said. Here are a few:
children of Israel, call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and
that I made you excel the nations. And be on your guard against a day when
NO SOUL shall avail ANOTHER in the least neither shall any
compensation be accepted from it, nor shall intercession profit it,
nor shall they be helped. 2:122-123
you who believe! Spend out of what We have given you before the day
comes in which there is no bargaining, neither any friendship
nor intercession. 2:254
works evil, will be requited accordingly. Nor will he find, besides
God, any protector or helper. 4:123
warn with it those who fear that they shall be gathered to their Lord - there
is no guardian for them, nor any intercessor besides Him - that they
may guard (against evil). 6:51
alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and
are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this
(truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it
will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah: if it
offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is
(the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts.
it is Who created the heavens and the earth, and that which is between
them, in six Days. Then
He mounted the Throne. Ye have not, beside
a protecting friend or mediator. Will ye not then remember?
The fact that Muhammad has no power to save
anyone from Hellfire is clearly stated in the verse:
Is he on whom
the word of doom is fulfilled (to be helped), and canst thou (O
Muhammad) rescue him who is in the Fire? (Pickthal)
This point seems to be clear enough! Or is it?
Amazingly, despite all these verses, many Muslims
believe that Muhammad has the power to intercede for them in front of
Allah and save them from the Fire on the Day of Judgment. Ukasha Al-Tayyibi
a book to prove this very point. He writes:
"On the Day of Judgment
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) will be the only prophet who will be granted
permission to intercede to save mankind from the terrors of awaiting
judgment on the Day of Rising.
[We] must not fail to understand that matters which are great and
insignificant, large or small, are preordained confirmed in the
knowledge of Allah. Surely Allah mighty has decreed and determined the
states of the [in]tercessor, and for whom he intercedes.
Or has taken an analytical approach to prove that [int]ercession can
only be granted by Allah's permission, [t]hat Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
will intercede for mankind at five various levels, i.e. from the
crossing of the Sirat to the height of peoples rank within the garden of
Each chapter has been carefully researched and examined according to the
Quran and Hadith and by reading this book Muslims and non-Muslims alike
will have a greater and clearer understanding on the meaning of
intercession and what it entails."
As you see, Ukasha Al-Tayyibi claims that his book
is based on the Quran and Hadith. I have not read his book but I have
found many Quranic verses as well as Hadiths that ratify his claim. I
will quote a few and I am sure you'll find more proofs in his book.
is there can intercede in His [Allah’s] presence except
This verse seems to imply that there is at
least one person who can intercede with Allah. Let us see if there are
more verses confirming this point.
intercessor (can plead with Him) except
leave (hath been obtained).
the day when We shall gather the righteous unto the Beneficent, a goodly company. And
drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd, they will have no power of
intercession, save him
who hath made a covenant with his Lord.
that Day shall no intercession avail except
for those for whom permission has been
granted by (Allah) Most Gracious and whose word is acceptable to
We [1st person
plural] did not
send before you any messenger but We revealed to him that there is no
god but Me,
[1st person singular]
therefore serve Me. And they say: The Beneficent Allah has
taken to Himself a son. Glory be to
Him.[3rd person singular] Nay! they are honored servants They do not precede Him
in speech and (only) according to His
commandment do they act. He
knows what is before them and
what is behind them, and they do not intercede except
for him whom He
and for fear of Him they
tremble. And whoever of them should say: Surely I am a god besides
a one do We recompense
with hell; thus do, We recompense
the unjust. 21:25-29
intercession can avail in His Presence,
those for whom He has
granted permission. So far (is
this the case) that, when terror is removed from their hearts (at the
Day of Judgment, then) will they say, ‘what is it that your Lord
commanded?’ they will say, ‘That which is true and just; and He
is the Most High Most Great’.
Verses 43:86 and 53:26 also tell us that no
one can intercede with Allah except
those whom Allah pleases.
In the above verses we get the confirmation
that someone is capable to intercede with Allah. I highlighted these
exceptions in red.
I also highlighted the pronouns. We see
refers to himself in third person singular, (He)
then shifts to first person plural (We) and
sometimes to first person singular (I and Me). Will you please explain this
unorthodox way of speech? It appears that these are Muhammad’s
Freudian slips. It is as if the Prophet keeps forgetting that the Quran
is supposed to be the word of Allah and Allah should not allude to himself
in 3rd person. You find this error in the entire Quran. I
hope you give some explanation to that as well. Is the Quran really the
word of God or that of the illiterate Muhammad?
Anyway, let us continue with our main
discussion. The following verses are interesting because Muhammad
actually starts interceding with Allah for his followers right away even
before the Judgment Day.
who sustain the Throne (of Allah) and those around it sing Glory and
Praise to their Lord; believe in Him;
and implore forgiveness for those who
believe: "Our Lord! Thy Reach is over all things, in Mercy and
Knowledge. Forgive, then, [Now
this is clearly Muhammad supplicating to Allah]
those who turn in Repentance, and follow Thy Path; and preserve them
from the Penalty of the Blazing Fire! And grant, our Lord! that they
enter the Gardens of Eternity, which Thou hast promised to them, and to
the righteous among their fathers, their wives, and their posterity!
For Thou art, the Exalted in Might, Full of Wisdom. And preserve
them from (all) ills; and any whom Thou dost preserve from ills that
Day,- on them wilt Thou have bestowed Mercy indeed: and that will be
truly (for them) the highest Achievement." 40:7-9.
These verses surly can’t be the words of
Allah. They are clearly Muhammad’s prayer to Allah. If they are the
words of Allah, whom is Allah supplicating to? If they are the words of
Muhammad, a) why they are in the Quran, and b) don’t they contradict
2:48, 2:122-123, 2:254, 4:123,
6:5, 6:70, 39:43-44, 82:18-19, 17:56-57 discussed above?
Now let us take a look at some Sahih
'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
The Prophet said, "A man keeps on asking others for something till
he comes on the Day of Resurrection without any piece of flesh on his
face." The Prophet added, "On the Day of Resurrection, the Sun
will come near (to, the people) to such an extent that the sweat will
reach up to the middle of the ears, so, when all the people are in that
state, they will ask Adam for help, and then Moses, and then Muhammad (p.b.u.h)."
The sub-narrator added "Muhammad will intercede with Allah to
judge amongst the people. He will proceed on till he will hold the
ring of the door (of Paradise) and then Allah will exalt him to Maqam
Mahmud (the privilege of intercession, etc.). And all the people of
the gathering will send their praises to Allah. (Sahih
Al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 24, Number 553)
This Hadith sounds absurd. The sun coming
down to scorch people and they sweat so much to get drowned in their own
sweat is surly an art work of imaginative power. But that is not my
point. The point I want to make is that this Hadith also states that
someone very special has the power to intercede with Allah and make him
revise his plans. I wonder who that person might be! Let us find out.
Prophet added, "Then the prophets and Angels and the believers
will intercede, and (last of all) the Almighty (Allah) will say, ‘Now
remains My Intercession.’ He will then hold a handful of the Fire
from which He will take out some people whose bodies have been burnt,
and they will be thrown into a river at the entrance of Paradise, called
the water of life ... (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book
93, Number 532s)
This hadith makes one to think that Allah
is interceding himself. Is that possible? Isn’t that an
absurdity? Unless Allah has some
sort of mental disorder such as schizophrenia, making him talk to
himself, pleading with himself to do what he wants to do, the above
hadith makes no sense at all. Now, let us see who else beside Allah is given
the power of intercession.
Allah's Apostle said, "For every Prophet there is one invocation
which is definitely fulfilled by Allah, and I wish, if Allah will, to
keep my that (special) invocation as to be the intercession for my
followers on the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih Al-Bukhari,
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 566)
Oh! Wait a minute? Here Muhammad is wishing
to become the intercessor for his followers? But didn’t you say that
no one can intercede with Allah and that his decisions are irreversible?
Oh well, I wish to become a billionaire. There is nothing wrong in
wishful thinking. After all you think Islam can be a moderate religion
too. Isn't that a wishful thinking? It does not mean all the wishes are going to be fulfilled. But
it looks like Muhammad thought that his wish is already fulfilled. See
the following hadith:
Ma’bad bin Hilal Al’Anzi:
We, i.e., some people from Basra gathered and went to Anas bin Malik,
and we went in company with Thabit Al-Bunnani so that he might ask him
about the Hadith of Intercession on our behalf. Behold, Anas was
in his palace, and our arrival coincided with his Duha prayer. We asked
permission to enter and he admitted us while he was sitting on his bed.
We said to Thabit, "Do not ask him about anything else first but
the Hadith of Intercession." He said, "O Abu Hamza! There are
your brethren from Basra coming to ask you about the Hadith of
Intercession." Anas then said, "Muhammad talked to us saying,
‘On the Day of Resurrection the people will surge with each other like
waves, and then they will come to Adam and say, ‘Please intercede for
us with your Lord.’ He will say, ‘I am not fit for that but you'd
better go to Abraham as he is the Khalil of the Beneficent.’ They will
go to Abraham and he will say, ‘I am not fit for that, but you'd
better go to Moses as he is the one to whom Allah spoke directly.’ So
they will go to Moses and he will say, ‘I am not fit for that, but
you'd better go to Jesus as he is a soul created by Allah and His
Word.’ (Be: And it was) they will go to Jesus and he will say, ‘I am
not fit for that, but you'd better go to Muhammad.’
would come to me and I would say, ‘I am for that.’ Then I will
ask for my Lord's permission, and it will be given, and then He will
inspire me to praise Him with such praises as I do not know now. So I
will praise Him with those praises and will fall down, prostrate before
Him. Then it will be said, ‘O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for
you will be listened to; and ask, for your will be granted (your
request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.’
I will say, ‘O Lord, my followers! My followers!’ And then it will
be said, ‘Go and take out of Hell (Fire) all those who have faith
in their hearts, equal to the weight of a barley grain.’ I will go
and do so and return to praise Him with the same praises, and fall down
(prostrate) before Him. Then it will be said, ‘O Muhammad, raise your
head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for you will be
granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be
accepted.’ I will say, ‘O Lord, my followers! My followers!’
It will be said, ‘Go and take out of it all those who have faith in
their hearts equal to the weight of a small ant or a mustard seed.’
I will go and do so and return to praise Him with the same praises, and
fall down in prostration before Him. It will be said, ‘O, Muhammad,
raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for
you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession
will be accepted.’ I will say, ‘O Lord, my followers!’ Then He
will say, ‘Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is
faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed. (Take them) out of
the Fire.’ I will go and do so."
we left Anas, I said to some of my companions, "Let's pass by Al-Hasan
who is hiding himself in the house of Abi Khalifa and request him to
tell us what Anas bin Malik has told us." So we went to him and we
greeted him and he admitted us. We said to him, "O Abu Said! We
came to you from your brother Anas Bin Malik and he related to us a
Hadith about the intercession the like of which I have never
heard." He said, "What is that?" Then we told him of the
Hadith and said, "He stopped at this point (of the Hadith)."
He said, "What then?" We said, "He did not add anything
to that." He said, Anas related the Hadith to me twenty years ago
when he was a young fellow. I don't know whether he forgot or if he did
not like to let you depend on what he might have said." We said,
"O Abu Said! Let us know that." He smiled and said, "Man
was created hasty. I did not mention that, but that I wanted to inform
you of it.
told me the same as he told you and said that the Prophet added, ‘I
then return for a fourth time and praise Him similarly and prostrate
before Him me the same as he ‘O Muhammad, raise your head and speak,
for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your
request): and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.’ I
will say, ‘O Lord, allow me to intercede for whoever said, ‘None
has the right to be worshiped except Allah.’ Then Allah will say,
‘By my Power, and my Majesty, and by My Supremacy, and by My
Greatness, I will take out of Hell (Fire) whoever said: ‘None has
the right to be worshipped except Allah.’" (Sahih
Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 601)
This sahih hadith not only contradicts your claim
that there are no intercessors with Allah it is actually a very
ridiculous story. Muhammad here is portraying the entire Divine system as a joke. This
story sounds naive. Should really,
you and I, in this age of enlightenment read such tales and
believe in them? In this hadith Muhammad is predicting what people would
do in the Day of Judgment, how they will run to various prophets and how
these poor fellows (the prophets) would feel helpless to intercede on their behalf
until our hero, Muhammad, would valiantly go to the fearsome Wizard of the Oz
of this Universe to ask forgiveness for his
followers and Allah grants all his wishes. All Muslims will be
eventually forgiven, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Khomeini, mass murderers and
terrorists will all be saved from Hellfire by Muhammad, as long as they
had a small amount of faith in him. The unbelievers will of course be left
to burn in
Hell for eternity because they had the trepidation to use their brain and
not accept things that made no sense to them. I like how Muhammad bargains with
Allah going back and forth and each time he gets a little more concession.
How can one not be grateful to this hard working and kinder than God
Now, this story has not yet happened. It will happen on the Day of Judgment.
But Muhammad already knew exactly how it is going to happen and what Allah
is going to do and say on that Day. It sounds goofy but
it makes a fine children’s story.
The absurdity of this tale is beyond
description. What Muhammad is trying to say is that it really does not
matter how much crime you commit, the Heaven is a hanky panky place and
if you just believe in me and become my follower, I will pull some strings with Allah and rescue
you from the Hellfire. Your actions are secondary. You could be a murderer, a
rapist, a thief, a pedophile, etc. you will be still forgiven if you
just accept me as the prophet of God. Just have an itsy bitsy blind
faith in me and I will save you from Fire.
And I thought the purpose of God in sending
prophets was to teach people how to live righteously and not to sin. How
silly of me! Now I know that all that we must do to go to paradise is to
have a little faith in Muhammad. Our conduct is not that important.
Actually many Muslims happily live by this dictum. They commit all sorts
of perversities and sins and yet they have strong faith in Islam and
Muhammad to the extent that they would happily slit the throat of anyone
who slights Islam. That is the extent of their religiosity.
Abul Husain Muslim also reports a few
hadiths that support the claim that Muhammad will be the sole
intercessor with Allah on the Day of Judgment, who would be sitting on
the right hand of Allah advising him how to run his business, whom to punish and whom to
is reported on the authority of Abu Zubair that he heard from Jabir b.
'Abdullah, who was asked about the arrival (of people on the Day of
Resurrection). He said. We would come on the Day of Resurrection like
this, like this, and see, carefully, that which concerns "elevated
people". He (the narrator) said: Then the people would be summoned
along with their idols whom they worshipped, one after another. Then our
Lord would come to us and say: Whom are you waiting for? They would say:
We are waiting for our Lord. He would say: I am your Lord. They would
say: (We are not sure) till we gaze at Thee, and He would manifest
Himself to them smilingly, and would go along with them and they would
follow Him; and every person, whether a hypocrite or a believer, would
be endowed with a light, and there would be spikes and hooks on the
bridge of the Hell, which would catch hold of those whom Allah willed.
Then the light of the hypocrites would be extinguished, and the
believers would secure salvation. And the first group to achieve it
would comprise seventy thousand men who would have the brightness of
full moon on their faces, and they would not be called to account. Then
the people immediately following them would have their faces as the
brightest stars in the heaven. This is how (the groups would follow one
after another). Then the stage of intercession would come, and they
(who are permitted to intercede) would intercede, till he who had
declared: "There is no god but Allah" and had in his heart
virtue of the weight of a barley grain would come out of the Fire. They
would be then brought in the courtyard of Paradise and the inhabitants
of Paradise would begin to sprinkle water over them till they would
sprout like the sprouting of a thing in flood water, and their burns
would disappear. They would ask their Lord till they would be granted
(the bounties) of the world and with it ten more besides it. (Sahih
Muslim, Book 001, Number 0367)
Not only Muhammad thought that he had the
power of intercession, he said that even his followers have that power.
b. 'Abbas reported that his son died in Qudaid or 'Usfan. He said to
Kuraib to see as to how many people had gathered there for his
(funeral). He (Kuraib) said: So I went out and I informed him about the
people who had gathered there. He (Ibn 'Abbas) said: Do you think they
are forty? He (Kuraib) said: Yes. Ibn 'Abbas then said to them: Bring
him (the dead body) out for I have heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be
upon him) as saying: If any Muslim dies and forty men who associate
nothing with Allah stand over his prayer (they offer prayer over him), Allah
will accept them as intercessors for him. (Sahih Muslim,
Book 004, Number 2072)
Isn’t that nice? You can commit all the
sins in the world and if you have 40 people coming to your funeral
praying for you Allah will accept their intercession. What if you
don’t have 40 friends? My experience tells me that wealthier people
have larger funerals. They serve banquets and draw huge crowds. Poorer
people often die alone or with few friends and relatives around them.
This hadith not only shows Allah’s injustice it is also absurd that he
should listen to intercession of 40 people and forgive a sinner. This is
not my idea of justice.
Whether it is forty or four billion, it
seems absurd to me that humans should have the power to influence God and make him change his
Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I
shall be pre-eminent amongst the descendants of Adam on the Day of
Resurrection and I will be the first intercessor and the first whose
intercession will be accepted (by Allah). (Sahih Muslim,
Book 030, Number 5655)
These hadiths, and the above mentioned verses show not only the
inherent contradiction in the Quran, but that also Muhammad wanted his followers to
be at awe with his powers and know that it is he who has the authority
over their destiny, so they better submit to him and
serve him in this world.
You say that intercession is a myth. Please take a look at the verse
3:159 where allegedly Allah is telling Muhammad “and ask pardon for them”.
He is telling his prophet to intercede to him on behalf of his
followers. This makes no sense. If Allah wants to forgive someone why is he asking Muhammad to intercede? Does he need someone
lobby him for him to do what he wants to do?
Another verse repeats the same absurdity:
know (O Muhammad) that there is no Allah save Allah, and ask
forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women.
[3rd person] (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest.
when it is said to them, "Come, the Messenger of Allah will pray
for your forgiveness", they turn aside their heads, and thou
wouldst see them turning away their faces in arrogance. 63:5
If Allah does not accept intercessions what are the above injunctions
for? Why Allah is telling Muhammad to ask forgiveness for the believing
men and believing women?
The difficulty does not end there. Despite the above verses where allegedly
Allah tells his prophet to pray for the forgiveness of his followers, there are verses that actually contradict
and say such prayers will not be accepted.
do not plead on behalf of those who act unfaithfully to their souls;
[speaking 1st person]
surely Allah does not love
[shifting to 3rd person]
him who is treacherous, sinful; 4:107
forgiveness for them (O Muhammad), [speaking
in 1st person] or ask not forgiveness
for them; though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah
will not forgive them. [switching to
3rd person] That is because they
disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and Allah guideth not wrongdoing
never (O Muhammad) [1st person] pray
for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave.
Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger,
[switching to third person]
and they died while they were
Noah called upon his Lord, [3rd person]
and said: "O my Lord! surely my son is
of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of
Judges!" He said:
"O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous. So
ask not of Me
of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like
the ignorant!" [Why
when talking to Abraham Allah uses the correct pronoun and when speaking
to Muhammad he mostly uses a wrong pronoun, suddenly speaking of himself
in 3rd person?] Noah said:
"O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that
of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me and have
Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!" 11:45-47
The Quran tells us that Abraham prayed to Allah for the forgiveness of his
our Lord! cover (us) with Thy Forgiveness - me, my parents, and
(all) Believers, on the Day that the Reckoning will be established!
my father, for that he is among those astray. 26:86
Yet, Abu Huraira narrates a hadith saying Abraham’s prayers will
not be accepted.
Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection Abraham will meet
his father Azar whose face will be dark and covered with dust. (The
Prophet Abraham will say to him): ‘Didn't I tell you not to disobey
me?’ His father will reply: ‘Today I will not disobey you.’
Abraham will say: ‘O Lord! You promised me not to disgrace me on
the Day of Resurrection; and what will be more disgraceful to me than
cursing and dishonoring my father?’ Then Allah will say (to him):
‘I have forbidden Paradise for the disbelievers." Then he will be
addressed, ‘O Abraham! Look! What is underneath your feet?’ He will
look and there he will see a Dhabh (an animal,) blood-stained, which
will be caught by the legs and thrown in the (Hell) Fire. (Sahih
Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 569)
Isn’t it funny that Muhammad knew the discussion that would take
place between Abraham and his father in future when he actually could
not predict what would happen to him the next day or at least know where
Kinana, the youthful leader of Khaibar, had hidden his treasure so he
did not have to torture that wretched soul to death to make him talk?
Anyway, that is another subject. This hadith confirms your belief that
Allah will not accept anyone’s intercession. However, it contradicts
all other verses and haidths that I quoted above.
So praying for the deceased is not permitted,
especially if the deceased was an unbeliever. At least this is what some
of the verses say. However, cursing people is okay. Sura 111 is
nothing but curse. Allah, reveals a Sura to curse Muhammad’s uncle and
the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he! : No profit to him from all
his wealth, and all his gains! : Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of
Blazing Flame! His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - As fuel!- A
twisted rope of palm-leaf fibre round her (own) neck!
really this Sura from Allah? Why would Allah need to curse anyone when he
can crush him and destroy him so easily? Isn't it more logical to believe
that at least this Sura is made up by Muhammad out of frustration and
Sometimes one verse is contradicted by the subsequent verse. For
example the verse 2:254 says:
you who believe! spend out of what We have given you before the day
comes in which there is no bargaining, neither any friendship nor
intercession, and the unbelievers.
And the following verse 2:255 contradicts
it and says:
Who is there can intercede in His
presence except as He permitteth?.
Far from being a clear book the Quran is
replete with contradictions. That is why Muslims can
find anything they wants in the Quran and interpret it in any way they
wish. Osama Bin Laden can find verses that justify his crimes against
humanity and you can find verses to portray Islam as a moderate
religion. I will discuss these contradictions in my future discussion
with you, one at a time. My goal is to prove that far from being a book
of guidance, the Quran misguides people. Muslims will do much better if
they stop following this book of confusion and rely on their
own intelligence to find their way, just like other people do. I hope to convince a good
Muslims that Islam is a lost paradigm. We should not waste our time
trying to reform it. Islam can't be reformed. It must be discarded. The Quran is not the word of God.
One error in this book disqualifies it as the word of God. If you bear with me I will show you hundreds. We have just started. This was only a token of the humongous
errors and contradictions that exist in the Quran - only a drop from an
ocean of asininity.
I remain cordially yours
received the following email from Mr. Zaheer
Dear Mr Ali
I am sorry I didn't have a clue that your initial response has already
appeared in your site. Please do me a favour: Kindly let me know whenever
new entry relevant to this discussion is posted in your site. That would
help in enabling us to get responses more quickly.
While I await the return of Mr Ghamidi, which is going to be in a couple
days, let me assure you that the initial part of your response is most
encouraging in its tone as indeed is the manner you have proposed
should be conducted.
I have also seen the comments of some of the visitor to your site. I want
assure them that Mr Ghamidi is not the one who would shy away from
discussions. Like Mr Ali, he too is always open to truth. The fact that
two scholars are located at the opposite sides of the divide in this
is hopefully a temporary scenario. If both are true to their commitment to
openness to truth -- and we are taught in our religion to not doubt the
intentions of anyone -- there is no reason why they wouldn't come together
and accept the reality which one of them would discover from the other.
If I am not wrong, you have pointed out the following two problems in the
Islamic teachings in your message:
1) The Qur’an, ahadith (statements attributed to the prophet), and
of Islamic scholars are conflicting on the question of intercession in the
hereafter. You’ve pointed out that the Qur’an contradicts itself while
talking about the issue of intercession. The conflict becomes even more
pronounced when we look at ahadith and views of scholars on the issue.
2) There is no consistency in the Qur’anic text in the usage of pronouns
God Almighty. First person singular, first person plural, and third person
masculine singular have all been used for God at times in the same
I do acknowledge that both points are valid and in the absence of a
satisfactory explanation, an intelligent, truth-seeking person can find
himself unconvinced about the veracity of the text that is making such
statements. However, I would expect from all good visitors to your site
in case if some valid explanation is offered to them, they will at least
look at it with an open mind. So we all await Mr Ghamidi’s response. As
as it reaches me, I will communicate it to you.
One thing more: Ramadanul Mubarak is expected to commence from coming
Sunday. The holy month changes our routine considerably. I’ll do my best
keep this discussion on as much as is possible. But at times, you will
to bear with me. I hope you understand.
I would like also to clarify that I did send the link of the article to
Mr. Zaheer a few minutes after I published it in the site. I think Mr.
Zaheer did not click on the Next> at the bottom of the page to go to
this page and see my response.