Leaving Islam



Response to Mr.  Abdullah Ramay 



First of all i want to congratulate you, since you are defending what you think is right. However you are going a step further and trying to eliminate what you think is false  or wrong per se.


Thank you for recognizing my right to speak my mind. But is it wrong to eliminate what I think is false? If so are you willing to condemn Muhammad who not only fought against what he thought is wrong but also destroyed the temples of people who practiced different faith? I certainly do not object Muhammad’s right to preach his faith. But I object the fact that he forced his faith on others, assassinated his opponents and raided innocent people, pillaged, raped and massacred. He had all the rights to preach his faith, but he had no right to act like a thug.  


You are also in support of "extreme" measures in order to remove what you think is wrong. Here one thing is important:"what you think". And you also try to give evidence, although only which you approve of, to uphold your "judgements". Its ironic that your so called "fight against islamists fundamentalist" is only by being an anti-islamist xtremist?

It all depend what do you mean by extreme. I certainly do not advocate violence, terror and bloodshed. However we are dealing with extreme evil and extreme measures must be adopted. When your enemy is a savage terrorist, you do not fight with him with words and reason. You must take extreme measures to deal with this extreme situation. When Theo Van Gogh was attacked, according to witnesses, he begged for mercy and tried to reason with his assailant. “Surely we can discuss this,” he kept saying as the shots kept coming. “Let us talk it over.”  As Amir Taheri says: “Van Gogh, who had angered Islamists with his documentary about the mistreatment of women in Islam, was assuming that the man who was killing him may have some reasonable demands which could be discussed in a calm, democratic atmosphere. But sorry, old chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it his divine duty to kill you.” With such an enemy we need to take extreme measures if we don't want to lose become annihilated.


I am a muslim, Mashallah, and only a student, and with whatever knowledge Allah has given me i can see clearly that there is only One Creator of this world, i can also see that this entity is all-hearing, all-seeing, and all-capable. I also realize that there will be judgement after death since this world has no fair judgment for many things. For example if a person kills 200 people what can be given to him but a capital punishment. I also believe that Allah, the creator of I and you, knows what’s in our hearts. Now i also believe that just by saying "i believe" no one will go in heaven, but by staying steadfast in this world and being pious. And by testifying to the oneness of Allah, our creator, and the signs that Allah has sent through out the ages. All the above i believe and i have every right to. Just as i have a right to believe that Islam is the right religion and Quran is a book with no contradiction and that Mohammad PBUH is a messenger of Allah, just as Jesus, Moses, Ibrahim, Yusuf, e.t.c PBUT(peace be upon them) and the list goes on. And i have every right of this.

You can believe in whatever you want to believe. I am not against anyone’s faith. But when your faith tells you that you should impose it on me with force, then I have to defend my right to hold to my beliefs. Your prophet raided, innocent people looted them and imposed his religion on others. He told his followers that all the countries that do not believe in him are Dar-al Harb and it is their duty to wage war there, subdue people and force them into conversion. Tell me Mr. Abdullah Ramay, now that you are so much in favor of freedom of faith, are you willing to condemn verse 9:23 that says:  

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.  

There are hundreds of verses like this in the Quran. What do you say about this verse? Is it that you only think only you have the right to believe in any damn thing you like and others do not have such rights?  Why you think Muslims should be given all the freedoms to practice their religion in non-Muslim countries while non-Muslims have no right to do the same in Islamic countries? Have you protested ever about the discrimination and abuses of non-Muslims in Islamic countries? Why not? Isn’t it because you actually agree that non-Muslims do not have the same rights as Muslims? I am not proposing any extreme measures. All I am asking is to treat Muslim the way Quran says non-Muslims should be treated.  

Here is my reverse Quran:  

  • We will cast terror into the hearts of Muslims. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12,
  • Let not the non-Muslims take for friends or helpers the Muslims. 3:28,
  • Rouse the non-Muslims to the fight against Muslims. 8:65,
  • Then fight and slay the Muslims wherever ye find them. 9:5,
  • Fight the Muslims, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14,
  • ye the non-Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Islam. 9:23,
  • ye the non-Muslims! Truly the Muslims are unclean. 9:28,
  • ye non-Muslims! fight the Muslims who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you. 9:123,
  • Therefore, when ye meet the Muslims, smite at their necks; At length. 47:4,

How do you like that? Do you think it is too extreme? I wonder why? Didn’t you say “Islam is the right religion and Quran is a book with no contradiction and that Mohammad PBUH is a messenger of Allah”?  Aren't these identical verses from your "just" god.  All I did is to exchange the places of Muslims and non-Muslims. What? You say these are not fair? Are you saying your god, Allah is not a just and fair God? If you think what Muhammad said should be done to non-Muslims is fair, then you should not complain for being treated in the same way. Haven’t you heard of the old maxim that says “do unto others as you wish to be done unto you”?  


I am not going to debate with you, because "debate" is something which takes us away from the real content. We defend our selves and our "arrogance" rather than seeing the truth and explaining the real issue.

I know you don’t want to debate with me. Muhammad never debated either. His favorite way was to raid and kill his opponents in order to win. Muslims will lose in all the debates. But they win in terrorism. The reason I have started this site is to make the world see the ways of Islam. And make them understand that Muslims speak the language of violence and understand only that language.  


However, you know deep in your heart that there is an entity that is my lord and your lord and the lord of your ancestors and mine and this world, and everything in it that we know of or not. Hence pray to him, what ever you wana call him, call him Allah, or your lord, or master, and ask him for guidance. For surely your God and My God, Allah, guides the ones who are eager to be guided.

This subject has nothing to do with what my site is all about. I am not preaching atheism to anyone. If people like to worship God, gods, or jellyfish it is their right to do so. I have an issue with Islam and Muhammad. It is okay with me that you believe in a God that you think created you, who answers your prayers. But prove to me that Muhammad was the prophet of this God. You have no such proof. On the contrary I have proven that this man was a monster and could not have been a prophet of any god, unless his god was Satan.  


Allah is most forgiving so ask for forgiveness, and think about what will happen to you on the day of judgement. When you meet your lord and find out that you rejected the true ways, for the time is now, make sure the decision you make now is the one you will happily live with for eternity. May Allah give me and you guidance.  




Mr. Abdullah. First you have to prove that this Muhammad of yours was indeed a prophet of God and then threaten me with the punishment of his sadistic god. As far as I am concerned Muhammad is in the deepest pit of hell envying the position of Hitter for all the lies that he concocted, for all the blood that he shed, for all the rapes, assassinations and massacres that he committed. No God would send a thug to be the guidance to mankind. Muhammad was a thug. This is clear and evident from the Quran, the Hadith and the Sira. How could God pick such a pervert man to guide mankind? Do you have one single proof that he was a prophet of God? How could God send a messenger with no proof at all? If the punishment of disbelief is eternal burning, wouldn’t it be evil and sadistic of God sending a messenger without any proof? “Believe or die” is not a proof. “Believe or you’ll go to hell” also is not a proof. Give me one single proof that Muhammad was a messenger of God that I can’t refute logically and I will remove this site and will give you $50,000 dollars as reward. Are you willing to take this challenge? Is there one Muslim among 1.2 billion Muslims who can prove to me that Muhammad was a messenger of God? Why is it that when it comes to logical arguments you Muslims are so shy but when it comes to terrorism you are so courageous? So you think debates “takes us away from the real content” and make us arrogant. Is Jihad the right way to establish the truth? Is terrorism better? You Muslims know that you can’t defend your faith with logics. That is why you do not like religious discussions, that is why you want to ban criticism of Islam, burn books critical of Islam and murder the critics of Islam. It is all because you are unable to reason rationally. But for waging war, for killing innocent people, you are so good. Look at the list of how many acts of terrorism have taken place only in these last few years. It is mind boggling. This is why I propose extreme measures against Muslims. http://www.thereligionofpeacecom/

 Kind regards 

Ali Sina







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