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Readers' comments
December 2002
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Dec,
27, 2002
Hi
Ali Sina,
I
am a supporter of views of Faithfreedom.org Recently I visited www.rawa.org
. I made some donation there and worte a email to them that the basic
reason for their miseries is ISLAM and the most important step they should
take is to leave ISLAM. ( sorry I don't have a copy of the email I wrote
to them).
They
have sent me a response which I have attached with this email. I suggest
you take up this matter with them and persuade them to abandon Islam. I
don't mind writing to them, but you see writing skill is not one of my
forte. In any case I am going to write to them if you don't.
Thanks,
-nilay
Note:
forwarded message attached.
No.24486e
Dear
Nilay,
Thank
you very much for your kind email and interest in the horrible plight of
Afghan women.
We
are of the opinion that not Islam in the whole but political Islam
is the main cause of all of our miseries. It is Islamic fundamentalism
that misuse Islam for their political ends and commit all their
crimes and brutalities under the name of Islam. It is for this reason that
one of RAWA's main slogans is Secularism. We think there will be no peace
and stability in our country as along as the fundamentalists are ruling
the country.
We
stated in our statement on March 8, 2002:
"Expunction
of references to official religion and schismatic religious branch.
Constitutions of many Islamic countries have no such references. Why
should the Constitution of Afghanistan be void of such a democratic
characteristic? Why, through recognising one religion and one religious
branch, should adherents of other religions or religious branches be
marginalised? In order to forge the Constitution itself into a formidable
barrier against the emergence of fundamentalism and religious strife, it
must be stipulated that use of religion for furtherance of political
objectives is strictly prohibited and prosecutable by law.
Secularism
and separation of religion from politics and the State: RAWA has
repeatedly asserted that the only way for preventing our nation from being
blighted by fundamentalism or any other pestilence in the garb of
religion, whether now or in the future, is separation of religion from
politics and the State. The inclusion of this explicit provision in the
Constitutions of other Islamic countries has not been deemed alien or
anti-Islamic. There is no reason why the Constitution of Afghanistan
should be void of such a central democratic tenet. Those who consider
calls for secularism as an "anti-religious penchant" do so, if
not out of sheer ignorance, in order to wittingly or unwittingly serve
fundamentalist interests."
Thanks
again for your email and sharing your thoughts with us.
Best
wishes,
Mehmooda
Dear
Nilay,
The
women behind RAWA are truly heroines. They are the pride of all women.
Thank you for helping them. They are doing a great work and they are the
hope of Afghanistan and an example for all Islamic world.
RAWA
is a Human Rights activist movement. As such it would be unwise for them to deliver
anti Islamic message. This would abort their efforts and would make people
hostile towards them and may even endanger their lives. They are also a political
group and should not promote or oppose a religion. Their approach is the right
approach. They are advocating the separation of mosque and state. That is
what political activists should strive for not the elimination of a
religion. Religions should not define politics and politics should not
determine religions.
However,
FFI is not a political group. We are an educational movement. Our scope is
very different from that of RAWA but not contradictory. We can go where
they cannot go. We can speak about things that would be unwise for them to
speak about. They are doing the right thing in their sphere of
possibilities. They need all the support and encouragement they can get.
Their slogan is not different from mine. Look at this picture:
The
slogan from RAWA orphanages: "The murderers of our parents should be
brought to justice; collaboration with these butchers is treason!"
In
this slogan they say, "Doing business with the criminals is betrayal
of the people of Afghanistan.
If
you really want to help, write to the Western governments, the press and
the media and protest the collaboration of these governments with the
thugs ruling over and murdering the innocent people in their own
countries.
Kind
regards
Ali
Sina
See
more pictures from RAWA and please read their demands |
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Dec. 26, 2002
Dear Mr Sina,
Thank you very much for giving me a chance to write this personal mail.
You know, I have been a huge fan of your views against Islam. I know you
are busy but I would really appreciate if you go through this long letter
with patience and reply me at your convenience. I may caution, you may not
like what you read here.
After spending a long time (almost 5 months) on your website, reading
the articles and op-eds, I have come to the conclusion that I disagree
with you in more than one ways. Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally with
you when you say Islam is a diabolic cult. It either needs to change
upside down, or needs to be eliminated from all Muslim’s minds. My major
objection is on your political opinions. I have noticed that you, without
any question, have taken the side of American right wing. Sometimes, your
political commentary surprises me when I see you support the war on Iraq;
when you completely overlook America’s imperialistic view on the rest of
the world, their atrocities committed in the Latin America during cold-war
and later. This unconditional support is mind-boggling! Don’t worry,
I’m not some anti-American nut! I love and respect the freedom and
liberty they offer their own people, at the same time I despise their
imperialistic foreign policy that have brought upon enough distresses and
misery in many parts of the world. May be this is the reality of
this new unipolar world- since there is only one Superpower, we better
obey it!
Well, I disagree……My question, how can I be a freethinker if I
reject one dogma, only to take up another one without question?
I also came to realize that you have become incredibly tolerant toward
the fanatics of other faiths. Very recently, I noticed a letter in your
‘Reader’s Comments’ from a woman who claims ‘Kaaba’ is probably
originated from Vedic culture, she also made an outrageous claim about Taj
Mahal not being built by Muslims. You know, I come from Indian
Subcontinent and this kind of Hindutva-lies are more than familiar to me.
If you think fundamentalism is only a Muslim phenomenon, welcome to Indian
Subcontinent.
Yes, Muslim worriers have destroyed many civilizations, but it would be
preposterous to deny some of the world’s grandest architectures and
artifacts that were built by Muslim emperors. And by the way, Mughals were
not religious Muslims. How can you allow your ‘comments section’ to be
adorned with this kind of intellectual dishonesty?
About FFI forum, I’m sorry to say that it has primarily become the
epicenter of radicals of all other religions who have joined together only
to spill their own hatred over Islam. Have you ever wondered why
there is such a low participation of ex-Muslims in your forum? Most former
Muslims would love to welcome constructive criticism on Islam, but they
obviously have problems to go along with unadulterated hatred toward
Muslims in general. From my observations, I have seen most Muslims are not
radicals, they are terribly ignorant about their own religion, some are
knowledgeable yet defiant, but most are cowards. But this doesn’t mean
that they are incapable of changing. And how about millions of Muslims who
live under poverty who simply don’t
have any education or resource to fight against radicals of their own
society? Don’t you think we need to stand by them, instead of dismissing
them as hopeless? Non-Muslims are supposedly more willing to curse these
people rather than help them. This is our (former and secular Muslims) job
who have some education and opportunity, to stand beside these drowning
population and help them reform their society into a secular and liberal
one.
I’m so saddened that I don’t get this message in your website
anymore And I’m increasingly getting the feeling that I don’t belong
to FFI family anymore. However, you probably don’t care about only one
person leaving. That’s ok, I only needed to let you know my dismay, but
I do wish you all the success in the noble part of your mission. Thank
you.
Sincerely yours.
-L
[I wish you a Happy New Year
Merry Christmas
Happy Hanukkah
and
Late Eid Mubarak]
Dear L
Thank you for your email. No I
think your impression that I have taken side with the American Right is
unwarranted. I suggest you go through this long discussion
I had in the forum and you’ll see I call America an “International
bully” and promote the concept of World Federalism.
However in the absence of World
Federal Government, we need some sort of safety in the world. Otherwise
criminally minded insane narcissists like Hitler and Saddam Hussein will
feast on our dead bodies. So what is the solution? Would you rather be
tortured and murdered by crazy despots like Saddam or rather let Americans
steal part of your wealth and protect you from insane murderers?
I do not know about your
choice, but I prefer America to Mullahs, Talibans, Saddams and Hitlers.
The problem is that the people in the third world countries have no
choice. We are doomed one way or another. America does not do things out
of love for humanity. Her main concern is money. The European colonialists
and the Russians are ten times worse than America. They have no problem
whatsoever, and no scruples to sell weapons of mass destruction to lunatic
mass murderers like Saddam, and warmonger crazy nuts like the Mullahs of
Iran. Just yesterday Russia signed an $800 million nuclear reactor deal
with Iran. Iran does not need nuclear energy. It is too clear why the
Mullah are after the nuclear plant. These greedy governments would even
sell the rope by which they would be hanged. How little they know that
these weapons of mass destruction are meant for them.
So we are living in a lawless
world ran by greed. The question is not who will be better. The question
is who is less evil. And yes America is less evil than Hussein, the
Mullahs, the Taliban and even the Russians and European countries. But
that is not my first choice. I choose America because I have no choice. My
choice is the creation of a World Federal Government where International
law is given the power to protect the Human Rights of all the people in
the world, and where war is outlawed and all countries are disarmed.
Please read
this long thread if you have questions about this concept. I have
answered all the questions and unfounded fears that some ignorant or some
malevolent people have instilled about the New World Order and the World
Federal Government.
Of course I am not for war. But
we have no other option. If the world had not fight against Hitler, today
the world would be a different world. Who knows, may be the Jews were
gone, the blacks were gone, the West and East Indians were gone and the
rest of us were slaves of the Germans. So as you see, I am a man of peace
but certainly not a pacifist. I believe in the rule of law. But since
internationally the law is the law of Jungle, we have no option but to
side with the least evil just to survive. If America attacks Iraq, many
innocent people will die as collateral casualties. But if it does not
attack, more people will die on daily bases thanks to Saddam’s despotic
rule. I do not like the idea that someone get a knife and cut through my
flesh, but if I have a cancer, I will have to accept that or die. War is
bad; I abhor it as much as you do. But do we have an alternative?
My alternative is World Federal Government, but who is listening?
America is not there to protect
the Human Rights of the Iraqis or the Kuwaitis. America helped this very
Saddam to massacre hundreds of thousands of Iranian villagers with
chemicals and poisonous gas during his war with Iran. America makes war
only when her own interests dictate. But in this case, her interest
coincides with the interest of the Iraqis and the interest of all the
people who fear Saddam. This man is dangerous and he must be stopped.
America is doing the right thing, even if it is for the wrong intentions.
Does America want to control Iraqi oil wells? Of course she does. America
does not do anything if there is no personal gain. But I rather have
America steal that oil, than Saddam use it to build his war machinery and
kill millions of people later.
As for my tolerance of other
religions, this is not something new. I am tolerant of all the religions.
I am not against religions. Religions for some people fill a gap and serve
a purpose. We have to accept that and respect their choice. I am not
against false religions; I am against hate religions. I am not against
Islam because it is intellectually flawed, but because it is morally and
ethically flawed. Islam is the cult of hate and hate is what I fight
against not the erroneous beliefs.
As for that lady mentioning the
origin of Kaaba being a Vedic temple, she may be right, as she may not be
right. What is absolutely ridiculous is to believe the Quranic story that
Abraham built it. Now as what is the origin of Kaaba or Taj Mahal, this is
purely an archeological and historic discussion. I don’t think we should
get upset over it. If you disagree with the Hindus about the origin of
these two buildings, present your thesis.
As for FFI forum becoming the
epicenter of radicals, I have to say that this is a free forum. Anyone can
come and say whatever he or she pleases. I do not censor thoughts. If you
think they are wrong, you can present your right views. I don’t think
their number should bother you? If you tell the truth, you will be
victorious even if you are one against the entire world. So if what they
say is upsetting you, may be it is time you questions your beliefs and
assumptions. Now I know that you are a freethinker like me. That is why I
am very much surprised to see you complain about religionists having the
freedom to express their view. I do not believe in any religion, but I am
not a bit concerned of the forum being “overtaken” by the
religionists. I do not want to be known as an antireligious person.
Because I am not! But If I wanted I would smash their beliefs just as I
smash Islam. So they do not frighten me. Why they should frighten you? Are
you suggesting I start practicing censorship of thought? I hope not!
You wrote:
"Have you ever wondered why there is such a low participation of
ex-Muslims in your forum? Most former Muslims would love to welcome
constructive criticism on Islam, but they obviously have problems to go
along with unadulterated hatred toward Muslims in general"
.
Well I believe many Muslims do
read the forum but they realize that there is little they can say. The
facts are so obvious that it is hard to rebut them. But I do not think the
forum is becoming a hate ground towards the Muslims in general. I do not
read all the messages but now we have a few moderators and we will be
vigilant and will not allow that. This site is not for spewing hate
against any group of people. To us, people are sacred; beliefs are not.
As for your views about Muslims
and their ability to change, I agree with you completely or I would not
have wasted my time creating this site. I know Muslims will change when
they learn the truth. It is unthinkable that any sane person would want to
remain associated with that vile criminal called Muhammad. They will leave
Islam and will leave it with disgust. Islam will collapse suddenly and
shortly.
As for millions of Muslims who
are living in poverty and oblivion of what is going on, let us hope that
we find a huge base of support and eventually find the means to reach them.
May be by radio or other means. But
we cannot jump to the roof from the basement. We’ll get there step by
step. Today what we have to do is to reach the Muslim intellectuals and
the non-Muslims, build up our base of support and then set up to conquer
new frontiers.
Now don’t be saddened. You of
course belong to FFI and I count on you. So instead of dwelling on the
negativities, write for the site and promote it. We have so little time,
the work is so important and the workers so few that we cannot afford
wasting time pouting or sulking over our hurt feelings. Just as the
religionists divided this world with zealotry and devotion, we have to
unite it with sacrifice and dedication.
My best wishes
Ali
Sina
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Dec. 25, 2002
[email protected]
Dear Parvin Darabi,
I know you are against bombing
Iraq. Frankly who likes to bomb a country and kill innocent people as
collateral death? But if you leave bastards such as Saddam or Osama they
will destroy more people. They are like
cancer. You have to take them out even if this means
you have to cut through healthy tissue. Do you really have a better
alternative?
Please come to our forum and
discuss your views there. Faithfreedom.org has a very high ranking and
you’ll find many readers.
Kind regards
Ali Sina
Dear Alisina,
By the way how come you have chosen a name Ali to be
known by? Do you like the guy?
Dear Parvin.
I did not choose that name. My
parents gave it to me. My mother read some stupid Muslim prayers for forty
days, blew in an apple that she kept suspended in the air without letting
it touch the ground and other rituals so her first-born become a beautiful
boy with the virtues and wisdom of Joseph. The condition was that should
the prayer be granted, the son should be named Ali, Muhammad or Ali
Muhammad. Of course the prayer worked and exceeded everyone's
expectations; thus the name. ;-)
Now why I don’t change my
name? Because Muslims keep asking it and it hurts them more than it hurts
you. So I keep it. Also Ali
is not Islamic name. Now we try to give credit to Islam for everything.
Our beautiful Iranian architecture is called Islamic architecture. Have
you seen taghe kasraa? Was that Islamic architecture too?
Our philosophy is Islamic philosophy, our science is Islamic
science, our fine culture is Islamic culture, our country is Islamic
country. I am sick of giving credit to Islam for everything we created. Islam
is Quran and that is the most mindless piece of written garbage available
today.
I will keep calling myself Ali
in honor of Ali Dashti, and other great Iranians who were called Ali. Furthermore
I am named after Bu Ali Ibn Sina not after Ali the murderer son of Abu
Talib. This is my name. Ali is an Arab name not Islamic. I am not anti
Arab I am anti Islam and I am joining force with other Arabs who are also
anti Islam. We are all victims of this barbaric cult.
I don't believe in war because I don't think that
Iraqis will be any better off under an American controlled government than
under Saddam. I agree with you that Saddam is a bastard, but the problem
with Iraqi people is the sanctions. The United States should lift the
sanctions and let the Iraqi people become rich, healthy and happy and they
themselves will get rid of Saddam.
I think you and I have very
different opinions in this matter. I am of the opinion that it is the
greedy Westerners who by continuing to wheal and deal with despots prolong
their political lives. The problem is that the profits will never go to
the poor. The Iraqis, the Iranians or other people living in dictatorial
regimes will never reap the benefit of these deals. They are hostages in
their own country and the thugs who have taken them as hostage kill them
at will and sell their wealth at bargain price to the greedy profit
seeking westerners who supply them with more arms to keep their people
silent.
I disagree with you that Iraq
or Iran will be worse with USA than with their present regimes. Of course
the key is that they have to try and establish democracy. This will be
hard because these people do not really know what democracy is. But until
they don’t try, they wont learn. Also it seems that America is wakening
up and is realizing that supporting unpopular dictators backfires and
costs America lots of troubles in the long run. Looks like Americans are
getting it but the Europeans don’t give a damn. They are too willing to
make under-the-table deals with despots and supply them with arms (It was
discovered recently that many German companies were helping Saddam to
built his military might. Don't tell me that the German government did not
know about it)
If you think that people in
Iran or Iraq will ever become wealthy under the present regimes, you
should prepare yourself for a looong wait. No matter whether there is a
sanction or not the money will not go to people. It will go to palaces of
Saddam and in the bank accounts of the Mullahs in Switzerland, shares and
stocks and the real estate in Western countries. I believe we have to
press the western democracies to stop making business with the murderers
and thieves that have taken our people hostage and support the oppositions
to overthrow them.
Remember what happened to Iran after America got
involved. They brought the Shah back in 1952, and brought Khomeini to
power in 1979. In addition I think America can bomb the hell out of Iraq
and not be able to find Saddam just as they have not found Osama. Do you
think Afghanistan is better now just ask RAWA.
Afghanistan may still be bad,
although not as bad as during the time of the Taliban, but this has to do
with Islam. Islam converts its followers into warmongers and savages. Now
that Afghanistan is freed from the Taliban America must push for
secularization of that country. It must give economical incentives to the
new government to secularize the country, guarantee the freedom of
the press and protect those who exercise freedom of speech. Foreign
assistance must be conditional upon secularization. Eventually
voices criticizing Islam will start to emerge and things will start to
change. Yes democracy and freedom of speech must be protected
heavy-handedly, just as Muslims protect their barbaric beliefs
heavy-handedly.
But
as for finding Saddam I don’t think this pig can hide so easily. Unlike
Bin Laden who is a hero for Muslims, Saddam is an odious person in his own
country and he will have nowhere to hide. The sycophants around him are
there for the money. When he loses the control of Iraq, they may shoot
him. But the point is that it is not important to catch him or not but to
free Iraq.
In my opinion, what Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and other
countries need is to become secular nations and educate their people to
fight for their rights.
Agree! But would that ever
happen with these thugs in place? We have to remove them first for all
that to happen.
By the way please add my book, "Rage
Against the Veil, the Courageous Life and Death of an Islamic Dissident,"
Prometheus Books, 1999, $30" in the list of books on your site.
Done! But I will also
create s suggested books section and will add it there.
Have you read the book, Islam Unveiled? I have read
it and liked it very much only he calls all the Iranians such as Rummy,
Ferdowsi, Razi and so on as Arabs. Do you have an email for Robert
Spenser, I like to bring to his attention that these people were Persians
and they succeeded in spite of islam and not because of islam.
Parvin
A FFI member sent me these
info:
717 Second Street, NE |
Washington, DC 20002 |(202) 546-3000| Fax (202) 543-5605 .
I'll publish his email if I find it.
Best wishes
Ali Sina
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Dec. 23, 2002
Dear Dr. Ali Sina
I have been reading your articles for a long time now
for the past six months, personally I have researched from other similar
sites about the tenet of Islam. I perfectly agree with your
statements, and appreciate your style of writing, As I am writing to
you for the first time kindly do reply back, I hope to hear from a
enlightened person like you.
I have a few doubts, if you can, kindly shed light on
the same. There are some Indian professors who claim the Mecca to be
of an ancient Indian culture and the indian vedic heritage, which was
desecreated by mohammed. The kaaba is still said to be a coverup of
the existing vedic shrine. If you type the key words of the article
in google it gives you a detailed and convincing article.
Also another thought not a query I would like to
share with you is that of The Taj Mahal which is an ancient Indian Shrine
and not in the least bit a muslim invention. To say that Taj was
built by a incestuous shahjahan is like saying that differential calculus
is a muslime invention. The babri masjid is just one sample of
muslim desecration proven by archaeology. If you want so you can key
in the words "Taj Mahal a temple palace" in any search engine
and it shall give you the article, it was researched by a historian P.N.
OAK, and the book is banned by the muslim appeasing
indian government. Almost every ancient mosque is built on a indian
temple in india.
Recently I happened to follow the saudi channel
through the month of ramadan showing the hajj, i was surprised to
find that the single white unstitched cloth the hajjis use to cover
themselves is infact similar to a an ancient greek toga or a traditional
dress of south india which supports my conviction of islam being a vedic
supersede.
I am trying to spread your site by talking to my
office staff and encouraging them to go through it, every one of them
appreciates it.
Kindly do write to me that I can share my thoughts
with you.
Regards
Vinitha
I am afraid I have not done
much research on Kaaba and its origin. It is very likely that the Indian
professors are right. I also heard that Kaaba was a Zoroastrian temple.
That also could be true because of the influence of Iran on Arabia prior
to Islam. But what is almost certain is that this building was not built
by the mythological Abraham because there is no proof that such person if
existed ever went to Mecca. It also defies reason for a man to go that far
and leave his wife and his toddler in the middle of desert. Then go back and
build a temple. These stories are all fables. But the fact the Kaaba
housed 360 gods and Arabia was polytheistic prior to Islam, gives
credibility to your hypothesis.
Thank you for spreading the
site. I appreciate you writing to me.
I remain sincerely yours
Ali Sina |
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Dr. Sina! Thank God for your site. You have proven to
me what should be obvious, that Muslims (or ex-Muslims) can be rational,
humane, and secular.
I am an Atheist with a Christian heritage. I am also
a Neuroscientist. Your site and work have opened a crack in the terrifying
world of modern day Islam. Hopefully in several generations people like
you will cause Islam to become less barbaric and feared, (in a
Christian-Renaissance
form of transformation).
One Day.
By the way, Muhammad and Jesus etc. most likely suffered
from mild forms of paranoid schizophrenia with predominantly religious
delusions or bipolar disorder with bouts of hyper-religiosity, or a rare
form of seizure disorder called Geschwind Syndrome in which the patient
experiences episodes of hyper-religious or hyper-philosophical thinking
that can lead to aggressive behavior driven by religious fervor.
Your kafir servant,
Thomas H. M.D. |
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Dec. 18, 2002
> --- Ben Guptill <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > Hello.
I was reading your site because I was
> > interested in learning about
> > Muslims and the Koran.
> > I did come across some useful information.
> >
> >
> > However, my question is, how does anyone
who
> claims
> > to think rationally
> > make the following statement:
> >
> > Evolution is a fact not a theory.
Strangely, even
> > in this day of science
> > and knowledge there is no want of people
who
> believe
> > in fables such as
> > creation.
> >
> > I have one, simple argument which entirely
> > discredits the theory of
> > evolution.
The fact that no where in nature do
> you
> > find any instances where
> > Genetic information in DNA is added or
gained.
> > Evolution says that you take
> > the DNA of a single cell organism, and
somehow
> > after a billion years end
> > up with a human being?
> >
> > There is quite a bit of genetic information
that
> > must be added to the DNA of
> > a single cell organism for this
evolving to
> occur.
> > No
where in science or
> > nature can we observe this process.
Mutation is
> the
> > re-arranging or DNA,
> > most often involving a LOSS of genetic
> information.
> > You can say that DNA
> > replicates itself all you want but if I
made 20
> > copies of the same thing, I
> > still do not have any new information I
just have
> > more of the same old
> > information no new information.
For evolution to
> > take place, there must be
> > an addition of genetic information to DNA
and an
> > addition of new genetic
> > information.
> >
> > Also, the FACT that everything dies?
Evolution
> > involves an addition of
> > Genetic information, but the loss of
genetic
> > information leads to death.
If
> > in fact DNA was being added to (instead of
losing
> > genetic information) then
> > there would not be death.
In fact, if you look
> > rationally at the situation,
> > it can be said that Humanity (and all
species on
> > earth) as a species is
> > actually de-evolving. With each mutation with
> each
> > generation slowly but
> > surely losing genetic information.
One only needs
> > to look to chemistry to
> > see that all atoms have half
lives and life
> > cycles. Everything in the
> > universe is on its way towards death
and decay.
> > Each generation is closer
> > to death.
I see a lot of organisms on the
> > endangered species list and not
> > any on the newly evolved species
list.
> >
> > For a person who claims to think
rationally, you
> > sure to have to use a lot
> > of faith to believe Evolution.
Especially since
> > the very foundation of
> > this belief is contradictory to what we
know about
> > DNA and genetics.
I
> > guess thats why its called the
theory of
> > Evolution because its
> > impossible to prove or observe.
> >
> >
> > I did find a lot of your website
interesting and
> > helpful.
The parts dealing
> > with Muslims and Islam anyway.
> >
> > -Benjamin Guptill, 24
> > Minnesota USA, Christian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ali Sina [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December
17, 2002 9:14 PM
> To: Ben Guptill
> Subject: Re: Evolution
>
> Dear Ben,
>
> May I suggest that you
read a few books written by
> REAL scientists on the
subject of evolition and not
> the ones writtne by those
who look at things through
> the lense of religion.
>
>
> I do not have time to talk
about the subject of
> evolution. But I have done
my research and you
> should
> too.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ali
--- Ben Guptill <[email protected]>
wrote:
My friend... my concern is not for your mind, but
your soul. Should you be
wrong in your intellectual enlightenment the consequence would be eternal
damnation. Are you prepared
to gamble your eternity on ideas that cannot be proven
or observed?
You start your message using
fear as an argument. I already address this point a few days ago You can
read it
here
I encourage you to keep an open mind...
I do. But how about you? How
can you have open mind when you let fear blockade your rational thinking? One
cannot be open minded if he lets his mind remain shackled by fear.
you seem to prefer the idea of evolution because it
helps to perpetuate the thought that you do not need God.
You are making very wrong
assumptions. I am not an atheist though of course I reject completely and
logically the childish notion of the deity adumbrated by Middle Eastern
religions.
This predilection may cause you to ignore truth to
the contrary of your faith in evolution (for it is not an observable
phenomena so you must 'believe' it exists having never observed it - the
very definition of faith), and your religion of rational thinking.
Evolution is not based on
faith. It is based on scientific facts. I cannot debate with you if you
refuse to read any books on this subject. It is just a waste of time for
both of us.
I suggest you ask a geneticist... one who believes in
evolution... if genetic information is added to DNA by other means
besides human intervention? He
will tell you (as the University professors here in the Untied states do)
that no, in fact this is not possible.
Mutation is genetic musical chairs of existing genetic information
(most often resulting in genetic information loss, not gain).
He will also tell you that genetic mutations only last a generation
or two.
The professor you are talking
about has studied in a very wrong university. In Islamic world we have Al
Azhar, Qum and other universities where humans go and graduate as jackass.
You can ask me to 'do my research' on this, but I
submit to you that what I am saying is without a doubt true.
When you say that what you know
is already without doubt true, it is you who have summarily dismissed
things without thinking. If
this is your assumption, then you have closed any door to further
investigate and learn. This is the antithesis to knowledge. It is
perpetuation of ignorance. Doubt is the foundation of my thinking not
faith.
You asking me to' do research' is really an attempt to
wriggle out of discovering the truth for yourself.
Shouldn't a rational thinker at least explore the possibility until
he has discovered if it is truth or not, instead of summarily dismissing
it without thinking?
And how do you think I came to
this conclusion? Remember that I was a religious minded as you are.
The fact that you are unaware of this means that you
have based your belief in evolution upon incomplete facts.
This is no fact you are talking
about. It is fancies of ancient men. You are the one who has based his
belief on incomplete facts. I have no beliefs. Beliefs are
for weak-minded people. I do not believe in anything. I doubt everything
and find my own light.
If you
have got this wrong, think of how many other ideas you may not have a
clear picture of.
And does this truism apply to
you too or you are exempt from it?
Again you are gambling your eternal soul on the
infallibility of your own mind.
Again you let fear blockade
your ability to think rationally. Please read the above
link
As I
have demonstrated you are wrong here...
How in the world you
"demonstrated" that? You are flying on the wings of absurdity.
All you have demonstrated is that you are a fearful man. You fear to think
rationally. you fear to find something that could smash your cherished beliefs.
This is all you have demonstrated.
you may be wrong in other areas.
Are you willing to take that chance?
-Benjamin Guptill
Apparently everything to you is
the matter of belief. You assume that even the evolution is a belief. How
can I argue with a person whose entire notion of reality is based on
beliefs. We speak different languages. I have zero respect of beliefs. I
base my understanding on doubts and on facts discovered through
doubting, investigating, questioning, scrutinizing, experimenting, and
testing. The only thing I am sure of is that nothing is sure.
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Dec. 10, 2002
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2560313.stm
Can you not set up a similar radio station ??????
Hi,
Yes that is one of my goals. I
am hoping to create a radio broadcasting in Arabic, Turkish, Parsi, Urdu,
Hindi, Bengali, Indonesian and Malay 24 hours a day with a couple of hours
dedicated to each language. For that, we need to have funding, and for
that to happen we need a huge base of support. For now the donations to my
site are extremely scarce. They are just enough to pay my Internet
expenses and a little bit more. In practice I have only one person who
generously and regularly contributes. Of course that is not enough for one
person to live on. especially in Western countries, let alone to run a
radio that requires several full time salaried people. Just managing this
site takes 12 to 14 hours of my time 7 days a week. I do not get any
funding from any government. Although I think this is the best way and the
cheapest way to fight terrorism. I hope to find enough people who would
support me to carryon with these projects. A 24 hour radio is just one of
them. I have more plans. So I hope you will promote our site as much as
you can. We can achieve our goals if we work together.
Kind regards
Ali Sina |
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Dec. 10, 2002
Mr. Ali Sina,
I have a long story
to tell and hope it will not be waste of time for you to read. When
I chanced upon your website, I couldn’t believe myself, it was like a
miracle I was looking for. Undoubtedly, you are one of the most courageous
human beings in the modern times.
I am an Indian,
hindu by religion (if it can be called a religion at all!). I am working
in Singapore now. I worked in Suadi Arabia during 1992-97. It was during
this period I was totally transformed so much that sometime I am scared of
myself. It really beats me how an average intelligent person whose
religious tendencies are more towards atheism and humanism can become
militant in his thoughts and fanatic in approach as far as Semitic
religions are concerned in general and Islam in particular. Before going
to Suadi, I was very popular among my pier group, particularly Muslims and
Christians in India partly because people say I am fair minded person and
partly my Muslims and Christians friends probably mistook my atheistic
tendencies for being anti-hindu. It is needless to say that the treatment
handed out to me in Saudi at the hands my own Indian Muslim and Christian
brothers is of-course most despicable. From a self-respecting human
being I suddenly became a sub-human in the eyes of islam. This has
happened to a person who had some respect to Islam even though he was
atheist at the core. Just few a days after I landed in Saudi and
after having encountered with some abuse, I was totally confused. I felt
as if I was transported to some other planet. It was impossible to believe
that this country could exist in modern times on this planet and its
inhabitants were human beings. I was in fact paranoid and quite
often I was hallucinating that this was unreal and people were under some
trance and by some miracle this thing would disappear like morning mist.
Sometimes, I even used to plot some cunning ways to expose this evil by
becoming a muslim myself and then expose the evil since I could never
dream a muslim would do it until of-course I saw your website. When I went
home for vacations during this period, I faced even more problems with own
family people and friends. They were fully convinced that I had become a
fanatic. My marriage was also affected because my ex-father-in-law though
officially hindu was pro-islam and vehemently denounced pagan way of life
and brought up his way family that way. Not knowing this my family
arranged for marriage, as bride’s family was distant relation of one of
my sister-in-law. I was shocked and furious to hear same kind of non-sense
I was subjected to in Saudi that idolaters were sinners and blah blah.
Having been abused so many times Suadi, I was not prepared for this.
I wanted to break the engagement and as a result my family broke-up and I
had no option but to go ahead with marriage. Expectedly, a few months
later I went back to Suadi and after my final return, I was divorced
by mutual consent. This story offers some insight into how much the minds
of hindus is corrupted by cunning muslims. First thing one must understand
that importance of India and what is happening in India. You probably
could engage some muslims in dialogue but you will find it extremely
uphill task to convince non-muslims, especially hindus that Islam is evil
and with out that, it is impossible to get ride of it in India and as you
know if India falls, it is the end of the game. Surely, world will be on
firm path to destruction. The main stream hindus are totally ignorant of
Islam. They have developed this slave mentality that muslims are superiors
and islam must be something greater than their religion. Muslims have been
tremendously successful in keeping Hindus in deception and under spell.
They have been following exactly their Prophet’s strategy of how
to weaken the infidel majority when muslims are not strong enough to
fight. As they become stronger by the day you will see more and more
destruction in India. Hindus are totally divided and political parties,
Congress and Communist have done everything in their means to elevate
Islam to sublime heights. You must have heard recently that in West
Bengal, Osama is being given a hero’s publicity. You can image
where the brains are present in these ignorant Bengalis whose Hindu
brethren were slaughtered in Bangladesh and millions of Hindus ran to
India as refugees and how the whole of Eastern India is being infiltrated
by fanatic muslim Bangladeshis. When I was in Saudi, to my horror, I
witnessed how thousands of freshly converted muslims from India,
especially from Tamil Nadu were pouring into Saudi. I was paranoid and
still am. Knowing what is happening, I am tending to be pessimistic
about achieving your goal as you have to convince not just one billion
muslins but may be equal number of non-muslims as well because muslims
have gained control over the minds of non-muslims in countries like India.
Finally, I would like you to know that I am willing to fully devout my
rest of life in your mission. I am not rich nor do I need money that much.
My needs are simple and I don’t have family responsibilities. I am alone
and am prepared to risk my life.
Thank you.
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Dec. 08, 2002
Oxymoron: Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal citizen?
- Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of
Arabia, turned monothistic.
- Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of
Islam and the Quran.
- Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca to which he
turns in prayer five times a day.
- Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam demands that he make no
friends of Christians and Jews (Q. 5:51)
- Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah, who teaches
annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
- Domestically, no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and
beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Q. 4:34).
- Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except Islam—intolerance (Q. 2:256).
- Intellectually, no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is established on Biblical principles, and he believes the
Bible to be corrupt.
- Philosophically, no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not
allow freedom of religion and _expression. Democracy and Islam cannot
co-exist. Every Muslim government is dictatorial or autocratic except
Turkey.
- Spiritually, no. Because when we declare "one nation under
God," the Christian’s God is a triune God, while the Muslim’s
is one entity called "Allah," who is never a heavenly Father,
nor is he ever called "Love" in the 99 excellent names.
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Dec. 08, 2002
Hello,
Thanks
for such a perfect web site that's what I was looking since I was 11 years
old. Yeah, when I was 11, group of Muslim kids got hold of me right on the
corner of our house and forced me to say "eshadu anna la ilaha
illalllah va ashadu inna muhameddul rasoulallah".
Here
are the web sites that look more dangerous to me. Please respond to my
e-mail so I know that you are aware of those web sites. They belong to
Fethullah Gulen and Harun Yahya. Trying to spread the Islam and they are
doing it I guess. We've got to stop that. I need your support specially
helping me to build up a web site in Turkish may be
L.F.
Dear L. F.
Yes I am familiar with
Harunyahya and his deceitful site. He was invited to debate with us and on
one occasion when a Muslim begged him to confront us, he wrote to him and
said he would. But this is now six of seven months and he has not come
forward yet. Write to him and tell him to comply with his promise and
debate with us.
As for creating a Turkish
site, this is a wonderful idea. I do encourage you to do so. If you want I
can assign to you a site in faithfreedom.org e.g. Turkish/faithfreedom.org
and a forum so you can build your own Turkish site. We have already a site
and a forum in Indonesian, which is doing very well. Someone is
translating some of the articles in Chinese and we have just launched a
forum in German. If you want to have a site in Turkish, I can arrange it
for you. You can develop it the way you like it. You may translate the
articles from English or write your own. Gradually other Turkish-speaking
writers will contribute with their articles and the site will keep
growing. Unfortunately Turkey is experimenting with Islam again. This is
playing with fire. There is no such thing as moderate Islam. This is just
a propaganda and shortsightedness.
Please let me know if you want
to go ahead with the project. Of course it is very time-consuming. And
because very few people will realize how much time and effort you put into
it to compensate you for your selfless work, you may have to tighten your
belt and live a little bit more frugally. But if Gandhi and other great
men and women of history are your inspirations, you can do it. We live
only once, let us leave a trace of ourselves. Let us be an instrument of
peace. Let us be part of the army of light.
Kind
regards
Ali
Sina
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Dec, 6, 2002
Dear Dr. Ali Sina,
Hi, I just want you to know that I really admire your
courage and truthfulness.
There are a few questions I would like to ask you
(only if you have the time, I know you are a busy man).
- If
Islam is so great, why must it still sound the azan everytime to ask
Muslims to come out for prayers? If Muslims are dedicated to their
religion, aren't they know when to pray? I live in a city where 90%
are non-Muslims but always being woke up early in the morning because
of the azan.
Azan is call to prayer.
Christians used to sound a bell and Muhammad decided to send
someone on top of the roof and shout calling people to pray. Now everyone
has a watch but still the tradition lingers.
You hear Azan in your city with
90% non-Muslim population because Muslims have no regards for anyone’s
right. Today they impose
their obnoxious azan on you and when their number grow they impose Jizyah
and take away all your human rights.
You have to protest now and outlaw this abuse before it become too
late. Muslims are bullies and they do not understand any reason. You have
to force them to respect your freedom through law. Most cities have noise bylaws. They must to learn to abide by them or be penalized. If only 10%
Muslim population can impose their will on you now, imagine what they will
do to you when they become 20% or heaven forbid 50%.
- Why
pork-eating is forbidden for Muslims? I heard that according to Islam,
pigs are dirty and have some kind of bacteria that is not good
for the human body. If that the case, why the non-Muslims especially
the Chinese and Japanese who eat pork live longer that the
average Muslims? By the way, since you are no longer a Muslim now,
have you tried pork? I hope you are not offended by this.
The reason pork is prohibited
in Islam has nothing to do with health issues. These are baseless
explanations of Muslims to make their superstitions sound scientific. Consuming pork
in Islam is prohibited because Islam is a religion of superstitions. Yes I
have consumed pork and my favorite sandwich is prosciutto crudo with
Tuscany bread, good cheese and red wine.
- Islam
prohibits Muslims from consuming alcohol but why is it that they are
promised wine in heaven?
Go figure! Muhammad was a
control freak.
- If
some of the Muslims have daughters of 9 year old, would they give
their daughters away to above 50 year old Muslim men even if they
are Mullahs?
Yes actually this practice is
current. Of course wealthy Muslims would not do that to their daughters
but poor Muslims give away their little girl to older wealthy men.
- In
my country, whenever there is a non-Muslims festival and if
Muslims are invited, non-Muslims always make sure that no pork or
only halal food is served but when we the non-Muslims especially
Hindus are invited to their festival, beef are served everywhere. Is
this ignorance or Muslims are just inconsiderate people?
Muslims are inconsiderate of
other people. If they invite you tell them that you will go under
condition that they do respect your beliefs just as they expect you to
respect theirs.
- Do
you think that Chinese Muslims in China are more friendly Muslims than
those Muslims in the middle east or elsewhere? I hardly come across or
not heard at all Chinese Muslims involve in terrorism.
Chinese Muslim live in a
country that rebellion is not tolerated. Should they be given the same
freedoms Muslims are awarded in other countries, they would start behaving
the same way. A Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. Moderate Muslim is someone
who is “less Muslim”.
My last few questions are a bit personal, you
don't have to answer if you don't want to. How old are you? Are you
married? If yes, are your family members freethinkers too?
Thanks and best regards in everything you do or
write,
Curious Chinese man.
As
you said they are personal questions.
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Well personally, I think Iran, whether its muslim or not, can never be
like the west. Simply, the middle eastern and persian people are backwords.
Its funny, whether they stay muslim or leave islam, they will remain
backwords, as always...hehehe..God, I love American, dont you...IRANIANS
HEHEHE
darrick
There is no reason to believe
that any nation is inherently backward. Chinese, Indians, Persians,
Egyptians built great civilizations, much earlier than Europeans. Once the
obstacles that contribute to their backwardness is removed, they will rise
and shine again.
Did you know that Persians in
the USA have the highest number of academicians, professionals and wealthy
people per capita than any other nationality living in USA? This is
statistic not opinion. Did you know that Hindu Indians in UK are far more
educated and wealthy than the British? And did you know that Pakistanis or
Muslim Indians in UK are the poorest, the less educated and the percentage
of Pakistani inmates is several times higher than the British, Hindus and
other nationalities?
Your views are racist. But
racism does not have any scientific basis. Provided equal opportunities
all humanity is the same.
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Dec 4, 2002
Dear Ali,
I do understand you're busy but I could not find anywhere in the site
the answer to this question: Who are the other major people involved in
this organization of yours but you?
I don't mean names, of course, I would just like to know if this
organization has other key figures and which background they have. If it
is in the site, a referral would be appreciated as I am very interested in
it and read it frequently.
Also, I'd like to know if the organization does any activity outside of
the web. Meetings, lectures, etc.
Sincerely,
RC
Dear RC,
Faith Freedom International is not an
organization. We do not have directors, leaders or CEOs. We like to think
of ourselves as a movement of ex-Muslims and Muslim dissidents. Think of
FFI as a front where various individuals converge their personal efforts,
exchange ideas, communicate their plans, educate themselves and others and
coordinate their activities. Membership to FFI is not by subscription.
Anyone who joins the effort is a member.
As for other activities outside the Web, we have
a lot of ideas. Production of literatures and documentaries, supplying
books to public libraries and schools and raising the public awareness
about the faith motivated Human Rights abuses in Islamic countries are
part of our plans. If you wish to invite a particular member of the FFI to
take part in an interview or lecture about Islam, you may contact that
person through our forum. Of course, since security is of high importance,
we do not recommend our members establishing contacts with anyone unless
they are sure that their safety will not be at risk.
Kind regards
Ali Sina
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Hi Mark,
Congratulations on your excellent article in the NY Post on Ibrahim
Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic relations. Your assertion
of progressive Western values being lost on Muslim cultures is very astute
and with much merit. Many in the West are ignorant of true Islam and
let many Muslims in the West try to "educate" them about
"true Islam". However the real issue is that many Muslims
do not know about true brutal Islam and need to be educated themselves.
If you have some spare time, please peruse the website of www.faithfreedom.org
by Dr. Ali Sina of Faith Freedom International, who is a former
Muslim. Many times aggressive Muslims will say that non-Muslim
critiques are ignorant of Islam. However, Dr. Ali Sina is a former
Muslim who reads and speaks Arabic (the language of Allah) and understands
the Koran and Hadith (recorded actions of the prophet). Dr. Sina
shows on his website from Muslim documents such as the Koran and Hadith,
all of the brutality associated with Islam that is based in scripture and
actions of the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
I strongly recommend to any individuals who doubt the brutality of
Islam to read on www.faithfreedom.org, Dr. Sina's debates with Muslim
scholars, which are printed in their entirety. This way the reader
obtains viewpoints from both sides and can decide for him or herself.
Dr. Sina as an Arabic reading, former Muslim, knows about the actions of
Mohammed such as trying to have sex with a women the same day his forces
killed her father and husband; how Mohammed told a woman that women are
inferior to men in Allah's eyes since they have a menstrual cycle; that
Mohammed instigated so many of the wars he had with his neighbors; how
Mohammed said that hell is filled with mostly women; how Mohammed murdered
people for no more than criticizing Islam, etc., etc., etc., etc.
I hope this wealth of information and critical analysis on Islam
assists you in any future writings on the topic that you might have.
Please let me know what you think of the site.
Take care,
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