Brigit interviews Ali Sina
Aug, 30, 2002
1- Could you
elaborate a bit on your background, e.g. were you in Iran at the time of
the Revolution? Can you talk about society under the Shah and why
was already living outside Iran when the revolution took place. I actually
see the late Shah with his repressive regime as the main culprit of this
whole mess. He was a weak man, a paranoid and a despot. On one hand he
wanted to modernize the country but on the other, he had no regards for
the opinions of the people. Democracy had no meaning for him. He created a
secret force called Savak that terrorized the Iranians and acted above the
law. Iranians did not want fundamentalism. They did not start the
revolution to create an Islamic state. All they wanted was to get rid of
the Shah and his despotic rule. They rallied around Khomeini because he
was an obstinate man who stood against the Shah and to them he was just a
name who could unite them against their oppressor. But later the
revolution was hijacked by Khomeini and the fundamentalists. When Khomeini
came to power he started eliminating one by one all his opponents. In
reality this group that is now running the country represents a very small
fraction of the Iranians. Not even 5% of the Iranians support them. They
are there by killing anyone who criticizes them. An armed man can take a
thousand unarmed people as hostage and this is what has kept the regime of
the Mullahs alive so far. They have people as hostage.
What made you leave Islam on coming to the West? What has been the
reaction of family/friends to this apostasy?
You have to realize that many Muslims or
in fact the majority of them have strong humanistic values. Unfortunately
you do not see these values coming to fruition in Islamic countries. They
are nipped in the bud because the laws of Sharia and the teachings of the
Quran are against them. Unfortunately Muslims blame this on the
“fundamentalists”. Only when you read the Quran you realize that the
culprit is not fundamentalism but Islam itself. Islam is fundamentalism.
Quran is full of violent and bloody instructions. If you have a
conscience, no matter how strong your faith, you cannot remain untouched
after you read the Quran. This is what happened to me. I read the Quran
and I was enlightened. :)
As for my family and friends, although at
first there were some negative reactions now most of them agree with me.
Muslims, especially the Iranians are going through a metamorphosical phase
of soul searching and are questioning their beliefs.
How big of a culture shock is coming to the West for a devout Muslim?
It is a big shock. Some of them overcome
this shock and integrate in the society but some do not and instead
seclude themselves in their own shells. They start criticizing everything
in the West and even grow hostile to their host countries. They search for
their own identity with their coreligionists and often they become more
fanatical than when they first arrived. I believe if this problem is not
addressed soon, eventually it will become a major problem that could cause
civil wars in many Western countries and we may even see the resurgence of
Islamic separatist movements in Europe and America. I believe that the
Western countries must place more emphasis on integrating the Muslims and
reshaping their values. Muslims come from a different world with
completely different values—values that my even seem inhumane and
shocking to a westerner. Take the example of honor killings taking place
in Scandinavian countries.
How afraid are you of attacks from believers? What kind of threats have
if you read the Muslim’s comments in my site you see that there have
been numerous death threats. I will be a fool not to take them seriously.
You have to realize that assassinating the opponents was a an example set
holy Prophet. He used to sent assassins to eliminate his critics very
treacherously in the middle of the night. Among the dozen of his victims are Asma, a
poetess and a mother of 5 small children and Abu Afak, a 120-year-old man. Their
crime was to compose poetries criticizing the messenger of Allah. This
sunnah (tradition) of the Prophet has continued since those days. Only the
Iranian Islamic regime has assassinated hundreds of their opponents
outside the country in recent years. Shapour Bakhtiar, the last PM of the
Shah was the most famous one of them.
Why did you make it your mission to challenge the beliefs of Muslims?
this belief is killing people! Because it is a danger to the peace of the
world! If 70 years ago enough people had risen to expose the Nazism this
evil would not have grown so strong and 60 million lives would not have
been lost because of it. Today Islam is a danger to human civilization far
greater than Nazism was in its time. This time billions of lives could be
sacrificed. We can avoid that if we stop Islam. I do not see any mission
worthier than this to live for. If I am successful, no one will ever know
me, and no one will remember me. But if I fail the disaster would be
What kind of success have you had – are you just preaching to the
converted, ie, other ex-Muslims?
response has been tremendous. But I do not see that as “my success”.
This is an idea that its time has come. A new movement is taking momentum
within Islamic intellectuals. I am not the leader of this movement. I am
just part of it. This is the beginning of a renascence in Islamic world.
And yes you can say that I am preaching to the converted. A Great number
of Muslim intellectuals have already come to the same conclusions
independently. All I have
done is to set up a site and a forum where we can come together, exchange
ideas and experiences. Of course there are many honest Muslims who
still believe Islam is a religion of peace and it could be salvaged. We
help them dissipate this false belief.
How responsible was Islam for 9/11? Do you think that date was
strategically chosen because on 9 September 1683 the Muslims were stopped
in their conquest of Europe at the gates of Vienna?
9/11 was strategically chosen or not does not change the fact that Islam
is responsible for this dastardly act. Only Islam can generate this much
hate and this much senseless devastation. As Pascal said “Men
never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." This
applies to no one better than to Muslims who believe in an evil religion.
How much of a turning point do you think 9/11 will be historically? Is it
the beginning of the end of Islamic extremism or it is the beginning of a
great ‘clash of civilisations’?
is the beginning of the end of the Islam itself. Islamic extremism is a
redundancy. And for clash of civilizations you need to have another
civilization to clash with. This is going to be the clash of the civilized world with barbarity.
And perhaps the major impact of this clash would take place in Islamic
countries where good will rebel against evil and humanity will eventually
Is Bin Laden simply following his faith more strictly and honestly than
most Muslims dare to? How well do most Muslims know the Koran?
that is true. Bin Laden and Khomeini are the real Muslims. I challenge the
Islamic apologists and those who claim Islam is a religion of peace to
tell us what did these men do that was contrary to the Quran? They
can’t. But I can tell you that those Islamic countries that are not
planning to invade other nations and claim them as Dar al Islam, that
allow women the right to vote, that elect women as their Prime Ministers,
that do not impose extortion tax on the Jews and the Christians, do not
subdue them, humiliate them or make them wear distinctive badges, are
breaking the laws of the Sharia. The reason you see some humanity, some
tolerance, some goodness in Islamic countries is because Muslims do not
read the Quran. They project their own goodness and assume that because it
is good that is what Allah wants from them.
Are Bin Laden and his extremist views more popular among Muslims than they
would have you believe?
you paid attention to the reaction of the populace in Palestine, Pakistan,
Egypt and many other Islamic countries to the 9/11 tragedy you can fairly
assume that unfortunately the answer is “yes”. Even the Islamic
intellectuals and apologists who on the surface condemned the 9/11, did it
with reservation and added a big BUT to their comments blaming America for
a myriad of things such as support for Israel, causing poverty in Islamic
countries, backing up dictatorial regimes, etc, etc. They shifted the
responsibility of the attack on America and somehow found it deserving for
Are civil liberties in the West under threat as a result of largely Muslim
Muslim immigrants do not integrate in the West and fail to adopt Western
values, all our liberties will be in danger. I see the spread of Islam in
the West whether through immigration; high birthrate or proselytism as a
real threat to the peace and stability of western societies. It is no
secret that Westerners after they convert to Islam become ready, willing
and able to kill their own people and loyalty to Islam becomes far more
significant to them than loyalty to their own country. A man who is so
brainwashed that he would kill himself in order to kill a bunch of other people,
would easily kill his own mother and father. We celebrate life; they
celebrate death! We have different
Do people in the West take Enlightenment values too lightly? Is
multiculturalism now a more popular ideology?
do not think multiculturalism works. Muslims have different values that
are diametrically opposed to secular humanistic values. But the problem is
that Muslims believe that it is their duty to impose those values on
others. You can tolerate Islam but Islam does not tolerate you. Muslims
are not allowed to take friends from amongst the non-Muslims (Q.3:28,
would be fooling ourselves if we believed that the true Muslims would ever
make good citizens in the West. How can you be a good citizen and obey the
laws made by Kafirs when your holy scripture tells you: “So obey not the
disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavor”? (Q.25:52)
13. Is Islam a ‘Religion of Peace’ as we have
been told by Blair, Bush and others?
and Bush are politicians. They are expected to be politically correct and
say this. But I doubt either one of them has read the Bible let along the
Quran. Even Gandhi said some good things about Islam and Muhammad. Prince
Charles also said Islam is a misunderstood religion. These are all
political talks. These guys are not scholars. Even if they knew the truth
it would have been unwise to tell it publicly. Islam is not a religion of
peace. This is clear to anyone who reads the Quran or reads the history of the
expansion of Islam. But a lie repeated often becomes true. So Muslims bank
on this cliché hoping that the uneducated westerners who do not like a
religion of hate would buy into this lie if they keep repeating it.
14. Why has there been no Reformation in Islam?
Were there any Martin Luther types and why did they fail to have much
impact? Do you see your website as akin to Luther’s nailing a list of 95
objections on the church door in 1517?
have been many reformatory movements in Islam. Mo’tazalis were the first
group of Iranian thinkers who gave precedence to reason when it came in
collision with faith. Sufism is another reformist attempt to reduce the
violence of the verses of the Quran by attributing to them
“inner” and “allegorical” meanings. Throughout the history
there have been many individuals who tried to reform the Islam. But they
all failed because Quran’s teachings of hate are very clear. There is no
way to reform Islam unless one scraps the Quran.
group behind Faith Freedom International does not see itself as a
reformist group. We simply do not believe that reforming Islam is
possible. And of course we do not see any point to preserve the name of
Islam and the belief in a mass murderer, pedophile, rapist, plunderer, and
assassin prophet. Christ could be a mythological personage but he is a
saintly personage. There is
nothing saintly about Muhammad. If anyone behaves like Muhammad today, he
would have to expend the rest of his life in Jail.
What is the point believing in a pervert man when you do not want
to follow him? It is like trying to reform Nazism and make it a doctrine
of love. What is the point?
15. How much impact do you think Salman Rushdie
or Ibn Warraq do or can have on Western Muslims?
lot! The problem is to convince the Muslims to read their books. Unfortunately
Muslims refuse reading any book that can shake them up and jolt them to
reality. If you read the Muslim’s comments on Ibn Warraq’s book “Why
I Am Not a Muslim” in Amazon.com, you can see that none of those who
attacked him read any of his books. That is why I opted for a website.
Considering the amount of the time I expend on faithfreedom.org it is,
financially speaking, a foolish investment of my time. But I hope some
Muslims will read one or two articles because it is free and readily
available and hopefully this triggers in them the desire to learn more. In
that sense the site has been very successful.
16. How big an impact does the internet have in
changing peoples’ views? Does it have revolutionary potential?
is the right word. Without the Internet there is no way to reach the
Muslims. Books that criticize Islam are banned, writers and publishers are
assassinated and a slight opinion that someone else may consider offensive
could hand you death
sentence. Today we have two men waiting for their executions. One is an
Iranian journalist Mr. Aghajari who said; “people are not monkeys and
should not imitate Mullahs in matters of religion”. The other is Dr.
Yunus Sheikh a Pakistani professor who said; “Muhammad’s parents were
not Muslims because they died prior to the Prophet receiving his
revelation”. Both of these individuals are Muslims and what they said is
logical. Yet Muslims interpret their comments
blasphemous and call for their heads. Now imagine how can you reach
the masses of Muslims and say things so openly like what we say if not through the Internet? Islam has survived by
suffocating any voice of criticism. But the Internet has taken away that
power from Islamic clerics and therefore the end of Islam is very near.
my site is banned in most Islamic countries. But if I get enough support I
will start a radio to reach them in their own language. Well, I keep
buying the lotteries and you keep praying Allah, may be one day this dream
will become a reality.
17. Why do you think faithfreedom.com was set up?
Is it a confirmation that your views are getting through to people?
else it could be? The very existence of faithfreedom.com is proof that
Muslims are scared of us. They chose our name with dot com extension just
to focus on us and refute us. Yet just after a few months they removed all
the links to our site. Yes we are making a difference and they are
18. How much do Muslims view their faith as an
identity? Is that part of the reason they feel an attack on Islam is the
same as racism?
much! Islam is being inculcated in the psyche of the Muslims from the
childhood. Muslims are asked to love and obey Muhammad more than their own
parents. All loyalties are to him and to his imaginary god who was an
alter ego of him. But that will change. Once they see the truth, many of
them will wake up and those very Muslims who hate us now will
join us in our sacred cause to eradicate hate and the religion of hate.
19. How much of their Persian identity was lost
by Iranians after the Islamic Revolution? Do you see Islam amongst
non-Arabs as a form of colonialism?
the Persians lost a lot to Islam. We lost our history, our libraries, our
culture and the purity of our language. But more importantly we lost our
humanistic values. Did you know that the first charter of Human rights was
written in Iran 2500 years ago? But today the Islamic Iran is the main
violator of human rights. There is yet another loss that is not Iran’s
only but the loss to humanity. One thousand years ago, Iranian rulers
were tolerant and they allowed free thought to flourish. The great
luminaries of the so-called “Golden Age of Islam” are all products of
that era. Men like Ar Razi were so audacious that they called the prophets
“charlatans” and praised Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Rationalism
and freethinking became the vogue. But Islamic fundamentalism cut the life
of this Golden Age of rationalism short because the fundamentalists had
the Quran on their side and they put a halt on freethinking, science and
knowledge. I cannot but
imagine what would have been of science today if Islam was not a factor
and freethinking had continued to flourish in Iran 1000 years ago. What
would be of the world today if centuries prior to Europe Iranians had
reached the Renascence? When you study the works of Ibn Sina, Ar Razi,
Khayyam, Al Farabi and others of that era you see that they were so close to Renascence. But Islam slammed that door and the
advancement of science was hold back for centuries. This I believe is the
biggest loss to humanity. But this is all speculation, you say. Yes
it is, I say, but there is no reason to dismiss it.
as for your question is concerned, amazingly the Islamic revolution and its
ignited a strong patriotism among Iranians. Iranian kids born after the
revolution and even those of the second and third generation living outside the country
have developed an insatiable interest to find about their roots. Iranian
festivities like norooz, charshanbe soori, and yalda have gained amazing
popularity and they are celebrated like never before. Very few Iranians
put Arabic names on their kids although more than 80% of the names prior
to revolution were Arabic (Islamic). If you talk to jewelers they will
tell you that it is rare that someone order Allah, Muhammad or Ali necklaces.
Today Iranians want purely Iranian emblems such as Persepolice,
Cyrus’s charter of human rights, etc. Iranians today are rebelling
against Islamization by clinging fast to their Iranian identity. So
although many Iranians lost their lives and their wealth after the revolution, they never let their identity
to be taken away from them.
The Islamic revolution in Iran should be marked as the beginning of the
end of Islam in Iran and eventually the rest of the world.
20. Most Muslims reportedly saw the war on terror
in Afghanistan as a war against Islam. Is that because the Taliban were
seen as strict Muslims with every right to run their country as they did?
truth is that Muslims do not care about each other. If you let them they
will exterminate each other. But they cannot accept a Kafir attacking a
Muslim, “subduing and humiliating” him. That makes them go crazy.
Muslims believe that Allah has given THEM the right to invade non-Muslims, subdue them, humiliate them, enslave them, rape their wives and
loot their belongings. It is not acceptable to them that a non-Muslim
country attack and humiliate a Muslim country. Even if that Muslim country
is their enemy she is still their Muslim sister country. It is not that
there is much brotherly love among the Muslims; it is because the hatred
of the non-Muslims is much stronger.
21. Do you think most Muslims have a victim
mentality vis-à-vis the West? (ie there were numerous conspiracy theories
re 9/11 including one that held Mossad to be responsible).
is the root of the problem. Muslims are in denial of their own evil deeds
and they justify all their violence against others by thinking of
themselves as victims. They are genuinely oblivious of the pain that they
cause to others with their terrorist activities. But as soon as one of
their victims retaliates, they cry foul and play victim. This will justify
more acts of terrorism and fuel their frenzy. They even blame the West for
their own illiteracy, ignorance and poverty. But they are unable to see
that in reality the main cause of their misery is Islam.
22. Does their belief that Islam is the one true
faith mean that their suffering (and the stagnation that generally affects
the Muslim world) can only be due to Western wrong-doing? (eg Zionist
course, as I explained above it is always the fault of somebody else. Even
when they fight among each other, they blame the Western powers for
instigating the other party. But in all due fairness, even if this is not
entirely true one has to acknowledge that in many cases the western powers
have fueled the ethnic fights in the third world countries. Unfortunately
the United Kingdom still believes in the divide-and-rule policy. And human
rights have never had much weight for UK. The Brits are born exploiters.
They love and support dictatorial puppet regimes such as the Islamic
Republic of Iran because it is much easier for them to deal with a a few
dictators than with a democratically elected government answerable to
people. It is a shame that a country with a history of democracy so old
act so inhumanely in her foreign policies. I can say with certainty that
Iran never had an more formidable enemy than Britain. One day we will
reclaim our country and will remember who were our enemies and who
were out friends.
23. If the Ayatollahs are overthrown in Iran and
democracy reinstated will it force other Muslim countries to re-evaluate
their commitment to Islamic values? How long do you think it will take for
this overthrow to happen given the discontent that young people there seem
to be expressing?
has always been the trendsetter in the Middle East. Islamic Rationalism,
Islamic Mysticism, the Golden Age of Islam, all have their roots in Iran,
Rumi was an Iranian and even Ghazali the father of Islamic fundamentalism
was Iranian. The founders of the four Sunni schools of thought, Hanafi, Maliki,
Shafi'i, Hanbali were also Iranians. The collectors of the Hadithes were Iranians.
The rise of Islamic fundamentalism in our
days is also originated from Iran. Bin Laden admitted that he was inspired
by Khomeini when the latter mobilized huge masses using their religious
sentiments to overthrow the Shah. Without Iran and Iranian contribution,
Islam would not be considered a religion but a cult of a bunch of
marauding desert dwellers. Islam is bereft of
philosophy, mysticism and otherworldliness. Even the "Islamic" architecture
and art are Iranian. It is all thanks to Iranian genius that Islam is what
today Iranians have seen the real face of Islam and have come to their
senses. More than half of the Iranians do not call themselves Muslims
anymore. There is no doubt that when the present repressive regime is
removed, Islam will become extinct in Iran in no time. Iranians are
learning about the real Islam and what it did to their country, from
sources that are not liked by the Mullahs. I am confident that even in
this time Iran will maintain its historic role as the trendsetter and the
fall of Islam in Iran would put in motion a domino effect that would lead
to total eradication of Islam from the face of the planet.
fall of the Islamic Republic of Iran is imminent, and the fall of Islam
will also take place in our own lifetime. Many of us shall see Islam’s
sudden end just as we saw the end of communism unexpectedly.
24. How much harm do you think the use of
suicide-bombing (sanctioned as ‘martyrdom’ in the Koran) does to the
lot! Palestinians are depicting themselves as terrorists. In fact they
have put themselves in a no win situation. The only way that Palestinians
could win is through non-violence struggle. They need to attract
the sympathy of the world opinion and the Israelis themselves. Fortunately
their “enemy” is civilized. The Palestinians have to learn to speak in
a civilized language to be heard. If Palestinians renounce violence, if
they accept the Israel’s right to exist, if they stop sowing the seeds
of hate in their children and even toddlers, if they mobilize the public
opinion, they will find many allies and sympathizers even among the Israelis. But alas the
language of peace is an alien language to Muslims. Honestly, I am not
optimistic about the future of the Palestinian/Israeli affair. There is so
much hatred against the Jews, inspired by the Quran and inherited directly
from Muhammad that I see no hope of any lasting peace. How can you
have peace with the Jews when all you dream of is to
finish what Hitler didn’t? Again the problem here is Islam and the solution
is the eradication of
25. How well do Muslims know the teachings
contained in the Koran? I’ve found that even when confronted with some
dubious quotes, there is always a justification or ‘context’ for them.
Why the willingness to condone behaviour that could get you arrested today
in the West?
majority of Muslims know very little about Islam. They hardly read the
Quran and when they read it, they do not understand it and those who
understand it, do not ponder upon it. Muslims live in denial. It is less
painful for them to live in denial than accept the bitter fact that they
have been following a mentally sick man bereft of any humanity for 1400
years. That is truly a painful revelation and most Muslims are not ready
to even read the facts to refute it, let alone accept it. But truth is obstinate and eventually they will have to face it.
They cannot live cocooned in lies forever.
26. Is it possible to ‘reform’ Islam or would
you prefer if it were eradicated?
cannot be reformed. All those who tried, failed. In fact Iranians would
not have accepted Khomeini if it were not for believing the lies of a misguided
individual called Ali Shariati who concocted a “reformed” version of
Islam embellished it with some Marxist Socialism, added a dash of Humanism
and a pinch of Aristotelism. He convinced the young generation that
Islam can be reformed. But actually what he did was to embellish an aged
and ugly woman masquerading her, covering her face in veils and making her look attractive
to the youth who foolishly fell in love with her. This gullible folk took
that old bitch to bed with stars in their eyes. But the next day when the
Sun came out and they laid their gaze on her repugnant face, they realized
that they were duped. Now they are trapped. Ali Shariati might have had good
intentions, but he paved the road to hell with his good intentions.
do not think Islam can be reformed or rejuvenated. It is time to put her
to sleep and bury her in the tomb of history. But we are not the ones who
will eradicate Islam. How can you eradicate a belief, which is in the minds
of people? Islam will be eradicated by Muslims themselves. After they see
the truth and realize how evil this Muhammad was no Muslim
would want to be called with that name. When the Christians leave
Christianity, they do not hate Jesus. But that is different with Muslims
leaving Islam. Muhammad was no Jesus. He was the embodiment of all what is abhorrent and evil
27. Will the forthcoming (we’re told) attack on
Iraq be perceived as another attack on Islam? Do you support this proposed
will be perceived as attack on Islam but I support it. I wrote to
President Bush, the father, and told him it is a mistake to leave Saddam
in power after the Desert Storm. I told him to kill that snake now that he
had wounded him. But he did not read my message or did not care to answer.
Instead he chose to punish the most vulnerable and the most innocent, i.e.
the children by boycotting Iraq. Hundreds of thousand more Iraqi lives
were lost and who knows how many more will be lost now because of that
error. The more you wait, the bigger threat Saddam becomes.
28. The internet can be used to promote Islam too
– what do you think of Islamic websites in general?
rehash the same junk. These sites are eloquent testimony to the fact that
there is no intelligent life in Islam. The more they write, the more they
incriminate themselves. Give them all the rope they need and they will
hang themselves with it.
29. Do you think any religion benefits humanity
and are they all religions equally bad?
is a personal thing. I do not need a religion to tell me the right from
the wrong. I follow the Golden Rule and I can find answers to all my
questions in this simple teaching. “Do not do to others what you do not
want to be done to you.” This is my religion. I love humanity, I strive
for peace, I fight against prejudices and hate, I seek to establish unity,
I am a peacemaker by nature. I believe in a higher reality that I call the
Single Principle, which is not the same as the God of the religions. I
rely on my own judgment and do not want to be a follower.
many people need a religion. They need to believe in something and they
need an authority to tell them what to do. I am not going to decry what
people hold dear to their hearts. I do not care if you worship
gods, cows, snakes, rats, stones or phalli (as some people in
But if you try to impose your religion on me, and violently force it on me, if you think I should believe in what you believe or die,
that is no more your personal religion. You have declared a war on me. It
is my duty to defend myself and defend my loved ones. In this case all
humanity are my loved ones. It is my duty to stop this aggression and that
is why I fight against Islam. I am
not against Islam because it is false and foolish, but because it is
these two sites and see that Muslims are not abashed to declare the
“Supremacy of Islam at the global level” http://www.geocities.com/mahazislami/
the ascendancy of Islam over all (what they call) man-made systems of life.”
for your question whether all religions are equally bad, my answer is no.
Not all religions are equally bad. Some are worse.
30. Are there any other points you would like to
you wanted to write an article not more than 1500 words. But just your
questions are over 730 words. This article now contains 5000 words. I
suppose it is enough. I thank you for your questions.