Story told by father of drowned toddler Aylan Kurdi is full of holes

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  1. why? says:

    The reality is, in Mumbai Hindus are also being radicalized. They are joining fundamentalist outfits like RSS, VHP, and Bhaj Ranga Daal. Hindus should learn from the bad experience of Muslim radicalization, and keep away from their own violent fundamentalist groups.

    Ed Matts,

    Please advice your christians to stay away from fundamentalist churches that teach Hindus are devil worshipers. There is nothing wrong in Hindu joining RSS VHP etc. Hindus will joint them to protect their interests, as long as islamists and christists joing their fundamentalist organizations to convert others.

    Christian Missionary attack on India

  2. sujayrao2012 says:

    You are doing a great service to society by attacking religious fanaticism of all kinds emanating from all religions . As an aside, please find my papers on the dangers of Hindutva revision of history

    Sujay Rao Mandavilli

  3. Ed Matts says:

    Dr. Nisant, “Muslims in Mumbai are radicalized, as there are too many devout Muslim organisations like anjuman I Islam, Raza academy etc.”

    The reality is, in Mumbai Hindus are also being radicalized. They are joining fundamentalist outfits like RSS, VHP, and Bhaj Ranga Daal. Hindus should learn from the bad experience of Muslim radicalization, and keep away from their own violent fundamentalist groups.

  4. Dr. Nishant says:

    Yes Mr thinker, and all these goons exist in Muslim dominated ghettos. You won’t find any of this goondas in other localities. Muslims always stay together, in dirty slums. If u see a lower middle class family of any other community in Mumbai, you would notice them working very hard, and they make sure that their kids get best of the education. The Muslims however do small businesses and send their kids to madrasas even though municipal education is good in Mumbai and is free. I have a lawyer friend who works in the small cause and sessions court in Mumbai. He showed the statistic that although Muslim population of Mumbai is around 18% they are involved in 70% of crimes. They have no remorse, are hardened criminals and are most likely to repeat the offences even after serving jail term. The Arthur road jail is filled with Muslims. This is because, Muslims in Mumbai are radicalized, as there are too many devout Muslim organisations like anjuman I Islam, Raza academy etc.
    Mumbai is a cosmopolitan city, and the financial capital of India. Here all the different communities and ethnicities dissolve their identities and work harmoniously. Nobody bothers about the identities of others as everyone here is concerned about their carriers and their bussiness’. There is no discrimination, and even after working for many years you won’t even bother to know whether your colleague is Hindu, Christian, parsee or Jain.
    But, the above is not true for the Muslims. They always maintain their distance. They grow long beards, wear those caps or their distinct clothes. They make sure that everyone knows they are on ramzan fast and want to make others give special concessions to them, like they would put out a mat and start doing their namaz in the middle of the office. But if a Christian starts prostrating in front of the cross or a Hindu starts worshiping his deity, I am sure they will be kicked out of their jobs. Such is the hypocrisy of our society.

  5. Thinker says:

    ” Muslim armies were most powerful but they have never attacked any christian kingdom until they offer them to pay “Jizya” which is about $120 per male christian worrier per year. ”

    Even in Mumbai the street Goondas never attack any businessmen who pays Haftas to them( Weekly ransom).

  6. Ron says:

    Modern Muslims

    For almost 1,400 years, the punishment for apostasy has been death. Only recently has this been challenged, mainly by a few apologists from among the tiny 3% of the world’s Muslims living in “more-developed regions”.[8] A Pew poll released on December 2, 2010, found that even today “The majority of Muslims would favor changing current laws in their countries to “allow stoning as punishment for adultery, hand amputation for theft, and death for those who convert from Islam as their religion”.[9][10]

    To give you an idea of the kind of figures we are dealing with, we will use Pakistan as an example; the 2010 poll found that 76% of Pakistanis agree apostates are to be killed. In a country with a population of 172,800,000 (96% of whom are Muslim) that would be 126,074,880 individuals in a single country. Conversely only a mere 13% of Muslims opposed killing apostates. If we are to assume the position that, Muslims who espouse such views are extremists who misunderstand the teachings of Islam, then we must also concede the fact that the majority of Muslims in the world are extremists. They are not simply a fringe group.

    So with all points considered, we can rightly conclude from religious texts, history and even modern Muslim opinion, that the ruling of Islam is to put apostates to death if they refuse to revert back to their Islamic faith. This ruling remains true even among the Shi’ite sect, whom together with the Sunnis constitute almost the entirety of the world’s Muslim population.

    Among Imam’s there is NOT one in the entire world who says apostasy should be condoned. They further extend death penalty to blasphemy against Mohammed (human being).

    I just don’t understand which part of the Koran are they referring to. Jesus said that many false prophets will come and lead men astray.

    Is it possible that Mohammed is a false prophet?

    Why couldn’t he do a single miracle?
    Why did he have to kill a lady who self-confessed to adultery and was pregnant and was expecting forgiveness.(Jesus forgive under similar circumstances a lady caught in the act of adultery )
    Why was he going into fits and foaming when he met Gabriel (none of the OT prophets did that)?
    (did he meet Gabriel or a demon?)
    Why did he have to do highway robbery and waylaid caravans?
    Why did he have to marry 11 or more times that to a kid (Aisha was playing with dolls)?
    Why did Mohammed get possessed ? (Holy people should not get possessed. Jesus delivered people from demonic possession. Mohammed himself admitted he was under Satan’s influence for some part of his life)
    Why did he have to abrogate verses?
    Why did Mohammed die by poisoning? (Jesus foresaw his death and resurrection. Mohammed was caught by surprise and prophets can foresee as they prophecy but Mohammed could not foresee. He was poisoned by his jewish lady whom he captured, enslaved and may be married)
    Why did most of his followers and successors of the Caliphs get murdered by Muslims themselves?
    Why is the biggest killer of Muslims in the world have been Muslims themselves? (e.g. Saddam, Khomeini, Assad, Al Baghdadi, Osama, Hamas, Suharto, Ali Asghar Borujerdi, Yahya Khan, Habre, Ramadan Abdel Rehim Mansour, Algerian GIA, Taliban etc)

    Mohammed CANNOT be a prophet of God

  7. Dr. Nishant says:

    Dear Mr Saleh,
    You are lying or telling the half truths. This is called taqqiya and you are practising here on this site. Counter this with facts:
    Algorithm’ stems from the name of a Latin translation of a book written by al-Khwārizmī, a Persian[11][12] mathematician, astronomer and geographer. Al-Khwarizmi wrote a book titled On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals in about 825 AD, and was principally responsible for spreading the Indian system of numeration throughout the Middle East and Europe. It was translated into Latin as Algoritmi de numero Indorum (in English, “Al-Khwarizmi on the Hindu Art of Reckoning”). The term “Algoritmi” in the title of the book led to the term “algorithm”.
    So you see,Al-Khwarizmi only plagiarized from the ancient Hindus who were far more advanced than the Arabs. They had not only discovered ‘0’, but were at the forefront in many sciences like surgery, geometry, astronomy etc. All the works of the so called early generation Muslim scientists can be traced back to indo- greeks and Iranians before Islam.
    Now, you talked about alhazen ( al-Ḥasan ibn al-Haytham) lets examine your claims on camera.
    Photographic cameras were a development of the camera obscura, a device possibly dating back to the ancient Chinese[1] and ancient Greeks,[2][3] which uses a pinhole or lens to project an image of the scene outside upside-down onto a viewing surface. This was widely known in Asia , the middle east and Greece. It is more than possible that he came across these works and created his camera obscure. Nonetheless, Alhazem was a distinguished scholar and scientist and had worked in many fields. I say, he was a great scientist not because of Islam but in spite of it.
    Consider this:“ The duty of the man who investigates the writings of scientists, if learning the truth is his goal, is to make himself an enemy of all that he reads, and,.. attack it from every side. He should also suspect himself as he performs his critical examination of it, so that he may avoid falling into either prejudice or leniency. ”
    — Alhazen,
    This is so unislamic.

    “The earth as a whole is a round sphere whose center is the center of the world. It is stationary in its [the world’s] middle, fixed in it and not moving in any direction nor moving with any of the varieties of motion, but always at rest.” Alhazen.
    Now, even with his limited scientific knowledge of his times, he derives the conclusion that the earth is a sphere! As opposed to Mohammed, whose Allah claimed that the earth was flat supported by the mountains which are earths pillars.

    “Truth is sought for itself [but] the truths, [he warns] are immersed in uncertainties [and the scientific authorities (such as Ptolemy, whom he greatly respected) are] not immune from error…” Alhazen
    Now Alhazen is a great fan of Ptolemy who is a non Muslim(Greek) and he brings his arguments by forwarding logical reasonings and not by ‘Dawa’.

    “Truth is sought for its own sake … Finding the truth is difficult, and the road to it is rough. For the truths are plunged in obscurity. … ” Alhazen.
    If truths are plunged in obscurity and it is difficult to find them, why doesn’t he go looking for them in Quran. Mullahs have convinced the masses that the Quran is the truth and nothing more needs to be learned. Thank god, for Alhazen ignored the quranic injunctions to never to doubt or ask questions.

    “I constantly sought knowledge and truth, and it became my belief that for gaining access to the effulgence and closeness to God, there is no better way than that of searching for truth and knowledge.” Alhazen.
    How true. Notice that he doesn’t mention namaz, zakat, haj etc. Alhazen Is great only for his indomitable spirit of enquiry which a true seeker of truth has and not because he is a Muslim.

    Alhazen lived in a Muslim land in dark times, he had no choice but to continue to live as a Muslim. But his thoughts clearly speak of his revolting spirit, which is contrary to the philosophy of submission I.e. Islam.

    While arguing with a fan of Ptolemy whose work was disputed by Alhazen he produces this gem of an argument:
    “he believes in Ptolemy’s words in everything he says, without relying on a demonstration or calling on a proof, but by pure imitation (taqlid); that is how experts in the prophetic tradition have faith in Prophets, may the blessing of God be upon them. But it is not the way that mathematicians have faith in specialists in the demonstrative sciences.”
    What is he implying about the faiths in prophets? He clearly contests the experts and the prophet.

    A Caliph is the supreme leader of the ummah. People have to obey him for he represents Allah’s commands. Anyone going against the caliph is punishable with strictest punishments.
    If Islam achieves ‘dar ul islam’ all over the world, all the citizens would have to obey his whims. Alhazem was a scientist and had no political ambitions, so he kept his head down in front of the dominating Muslims in those dark times. What could he do? I bet if he would have been in our present times, he would have been the most prominent apostate of Islam.
    Alhazen was disfavored by the caliph, and hence to save his own life Alhazen feigned insanity. Thus the caliph could only keep in house arrest for more than 10 years. During this imprisonment Alhazen wrote the ‘book of optics ‘ for which you have attributed the design of camera to ” al-Ḥasan ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen)
    So you see Islam tried to bring restrictions on Alhazen and despite that he continued his scientific march.

    You claim, ISIS is not Islamic. Yes , all those terrorists in ISIS are Jews, Jains, Christians,Buddhists, daoists etc. Consider this: say, Islam’s prophet was not Mohammed and was say mahavira. Now, Mahavira is also strict and likes discipline. But he is totally non materialistic. He wanders naked, without even a thread on his body, living on the road and in jungles, for he has given up all the worldly possessions. He is a celibate and is of the opinion that all humans and animals are equal ( Thoughts about race or gender do not even have a conceptual holding in his mind). He is severely against killing any living beings including ants. He speaks in a language of love and compassion, never gets angry and is always patient. This he achieves effortlessly for he says that it is his nature, like water is wet, fire is hot, so is he as his nature. Now, if this Jain monk was the prophet of Islam would Islam be the way it is?. No. For Allah is the way Mohammed thinks and so does Islam.
    ISIS does what Islam does and vice versa. Mohammed was a pedophile, a thug, a cheat, a murderer, a rapist and a tyrant, aren’t these the same words in which you are describing the ISIS? This site was formed way before ISIS the terrorist organisation came into existence and you would find enumerable articles which describe the cruelty and inhumane nature of Islam and like a prophesy, ISIS is doing just that. Even if ISIS was destroyed tomorrow, so long as Islam exists, it will keep reproducing terrorists.
    Please read all the articles on this site alone. The rest of your points are comprehensively answered in the articles.

  8. Ron says:

    The below was pointed to me by an authority on Islam who became Chrisitan

    One of the names of Allah (1 of the 99 names) is “The Great Deceiver” in the Koran.
    One of the names and attributes of Satan in the Bible is “the great Deceiver” or the father of lies.
    The Koran never tells that God is love.

    Jesus mentioned in the Bible that after me will come someone (it seems to be Mohammed) who will lead many astray.
    People will think they are worshipping the Almighty God but will end up doing all evil and wicked things in His (God’s) name.
    You will know these people by their fruits and actions.

    As you know Mohammed did commit many acts of murder, rape, pedophilia, robbery, gang war and rape, highway robbery etc. You may debate that all of the above was defensive in purpose and was permissible in the culture at those time but for a person to be an example to mankind it does not reflect well.

    Jesus never did anything like that and was a man without sin, made the dead living, did miracles etc.

    Jesus is the way, the truth and life.

  9. A.Sivalingam says:

    Siva Aruna.

    Under the guise of refugees the muslims coming to erope is well planned for future domination of western countries,I request the leaders of the western countries not to pretend that they do not know this and in the name of PEACE dont alowe even a single muslim.

  10. Walter Sieruk says:

    It may be illustrated that If Islam is represented as a tree then the heinous and deadly jihad entity ISIS is one of the many fruits of that tree. In other words, the brutal,cruel, vicious and murderous jihad entity ISIS is one the many jihad terror groups with the the outcomes or fruits of Islam. With that stated it’s thus very fitting to site the Wisdom of the teachings of Jesus which ,very much ,may apply to this subject. For Jesus taught “Ye do know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringth forth good fruit ; but a corrupt tree bringth forth corrupt fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” After saying all this Jesus told them what He told them when He said “By their fruit ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:16,17,18,20. [K.J.V.] In conclusion, Islam is a corrupt tree and also a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13,20.

  11. Walter Sieruk says:

    The cruel vicious and murderous villains of ISIS are , of all the strange things, actually acting out ,in their ruthless and deadly violence according to the instruction found in the Koran , As seen in the Koran ,for example in 9:5,111,112. 47:4. These and other places in this “holy book” of Islam teach the use of violence and killing in the jihad for Islam. The Koran is ,of course, the foundation of a for Islam. So in spite of the denials by many ISIS is ,indeed, Islamic . Nevertheless, there still some who might ask “Just how can those members of ISIS, being so very religious, also be in their jihad be so extremely violent brutal, cruel, and malice-filled and deadly ?” The answer to that question is found in the Bible. For the Bible teaches that there are some people who are so very callous ,malicious , unfeeling and heartless and dangerous because they have had “their conscience seared with a hot iron.” First Timothy 4:2. [K.J.V.] The “hot Iron” in this case is Islam.

  12. Walter Sieruk says:

    The ruthless, cruel vicious and murderous fiends who compose the brutal and deadly jihad entity ISIS with all malice-filled and malicious actions may be best described , in character, in the Bible in Romans 3:15-17. Which reads “Their feet are swift to shed blood. Destruction and misery are their ways, and the way of peace have they not known.” [K.J.V.]

  13. @ron

    For scientific discovories:
    Nobel prizes started 100 years ago when Muslims had become very far from Islam so you cannot decide depending on least commitment ages. The Islamic culture has started to degrade since 14th century.

    If you want to know whether Islam allows scientific discoveries or not, go back 1000 years. The Muslims were more committed to Islam, more understanding the Quran and leading the world scientifically. For example: The word “Algorithm” in software development refers to the Muslim scientist “Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī” and the first camera concept was invented by ” al-Ḥasan ibn al-Haytham” which was named in Arabic “Qumrah”.

    For hating or killing non-muslims: ISIS is not Islam, The Quran says in sura 2, verse 256:
    “There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower”.

    If Islam does not accept other religions, you will not see any non-muslim arabic person in middle east. the first generations of Islam understood the Quran well and knew that it is forbidden to kill anyone who doesn’t fight you. the “Jihad is against armies who prevent muslims from delivering the message to non-muslims”.

    For Syrian refugees:
    All countries you have mentioned are not governed by Islamic values, because in Islam there are no borders and any Syrian should have the right to enter any land governed by Islam without a visa or passport. Borders have been made by your evil bosses: Sykes–Picot and unfortunately, the Arab presidents loved this to divide thrones between them.

    Finally for the video:

    The girl who converted to christian learned the Islam incorrectly from people, If she tried reading the Quran with its translations, she would understand the real Islam and would love it.

    There is no “Taqiyya” and no lies allowed in Islam.

  14. Ron says:

    @ Mohamed Hamed,

    Your statement itself is an example of taqqiya.
    Jesus said that every person is a sinner.

    Christian countries are more powerful than Islamic countries is because Christian thought is liberalizing and allows you to question and explore everything.

    But the Islamic mindset does not allow you to think beyond the Koran as you falsely think that it is book of scientific discoveries and accuracy. That is why even with 1.6 billion Muslims (23% of the world’s population) on this planet they have had only 2 Muslim Nobel prize (for sciences not peace, literature or economics) winners one of which was an Ahmadi and the other it seems was liberal or former Muslim Turk.

    In comparison the Jews have won more than 25% of Nobel prizes though they are just o.2% of the world’s population.

    Get up and smell the coffee and leave this cult. You will only learn taqqiya, hate, intolerance, selected generosity. (You have seen the European countries helping Muslim refugees who were created by real Muslims (ISIS) and not being helped or welcomed by other nearby Muslim rich countries of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Bahrain , Qatar and UAE.)

    Turn to Christ and you will see the difference when you will feel genuine compassion for everyone irrespective of their faith.
    watch this

  15. Muslims can never be liars, Islam does not allow lying and the word “Taqqiya” is applicable for “Shia’a” not for “pure Muslims”. “Sia’a” is a modified religion of Islam appeared after 60 years of pure Islam appearance.

    For the words “murderers, rapists,…etc” lets compare the two religions:

    These days…
    christian countries are more powerful than Islamic and the most powerful christian country is USA which interferes in all Muslim countries and air strikes its army, citizens, children…etc.

    In past:
    Muslim armies were most powerful but they have never attacked any christian kingdom until they offer them to pay “Jizya” which is about $120 per male christian worrier per year. Many christian kings kept their thrones, money, real estates, lands, and their christian public lives just because they paid that little amount to the Islamic country.

  16. Assta B. Gettu says:

    Muslims are allowed to lie to the non-Muslims. Their prophet Muhammad encourages them to lie, and that is why they have the word “Taqiyya.”

    “Hajjaj said to the Apostle, ‘I have money scattered among the Meccan merchants, so give me permission to go and get it.’ Having got Muhammad’s permission, he said, ‘I must tell lies.’ The Apostle said, ‘Tell them’” (Ishaq: 519).

    It is sad Europeans are accepting thousands of Muslims who are liars, murderers, rapists, and looters of Christian properties.

    Europe, I am telling you that you must send all these Muslim migrants back to their country, and let them live or perish there.