Would a True God Burn People Eternally?

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  1. @FoundTheTruth – One cannot reason with religious fundamentalists. This conversation is over with now. Bye.

  2. Found The Truth says:

    The Satanic Verses of Bhagavad-Gita (Read this book by Prof Kedar Joshi and you will understand that Hinduism is discriminatory and evil)
    by Kedar Joshi (esteemed Professor, Philosopher, Writer of Hindu origin quoted on many secular media)

    This work mainly presents a hardcore moral criticism of the Bhagavad-gita, the criticism that the Gita in fact implies that
    1. Krishna—the preacher of yoga—is not in the least a yogi himself,
    2. Krishna alone is satanic (or evil), and
    3. Krishna—for reasons other than the ones for which he is considered evil—is nothing short of a terrorist and the Gita is Hindu terrorism.
    And, as a matter of necessity, it attempts to systematically dig into the Gita’s metaphysical foundations, further examining the gravity of each criticism through monistic and dualistic metaphysical interpretations (or perspectives).
    Finally, as a matter of example, it also cites some of the verses of the Quran that appear similar in meaning to the Gita’s satanic verses, thereby drawing parallels between the two seemingly antithetical religious texts. The work thus points out that although the Gita may not seem to be as directly and explicitly terroristic as the Quran, terrorism—the one against unbelievers, for instance—is equally inherent in the Gita and the Gita can be fairly interpreted as a book of terrorism.

    https://archive.org/details/TheSatanicVersesOfBhagavad-gita

  3. “Found The Truth” – Your ignorance about the Gita is appalling. This is why I usually don’t get involved in the comments on this site anymore. Too many people who have “found the truth” the one true and only truth, imposing their supreme dogma onto everyone else. Is it any wonder why the Counter Jihad movement is perceived to be a part of the Religious Right, engaged in a contest of religions?

    I oppose Jihad and I oppose Islam and not because I believe that I have the one true religious dogma and everyone else is wrong. I oppose Islam because it is cruel and inhumane and because the future and Islam simply cannot coexist.

  4. Found The Truth says:

    The Bhagwad Gita was the brain-washing primer told / recited on the battlefield by Krishna to Arjun (who wanted to forgive his cousin. even at the last moment) with the intent to change his mind about forgiving them and to go all out and commit mass murder and kill his own grandfather, cousins, uncles and other relatives.

  5. Tom Cheria says:

    Nutt

    “, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done”

    If this what hurts your butt — then I’m definitely winning.

    I’m so tired of winning.

    Look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 99% reject allah(SATAN) and where 90% tries to live like JESUS and celebrate Christmas. LOL

  6. John Nutt says:

    “My father will provide all!”

    “If this is biggest beef with Jesus then I have already won — I am so tired of winning bro.”

    Matthew 21

    21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”

    If you didn’t notice this doesn’t happen in reality so Jesus is a sick man preaching evil nonsense.

  7. Tom Cheria says:

    Steve
    “My father will provide all!”

    If this is biggest beef with Jesus then I have already won — I am so tired of winning bro.

  8. Steve says:

    Tom

    Matthew 6

    Do Not Worry
    25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?
    28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”

    Do not worry about what you eat, drink and wear and have no worry about tomorrow! These are mundane things that stupid pagans worry about. My father will provide all! Thanks Jesus great moral teachings the cornerstone of all civilisation!

    “Nope God’s job is only to give free will and not to interfere in free will. My God does not interfere in free will.” But Jesus says the father will provide all our food, drink and clothes! I guess law enforcement and the criminal justice system wasn’t part of the deal? Lol.

  9. Tom Cheria says:

    Steve
    “I want to know what is moral about telling people”

    Bro you are Schizophrenic and you have impaired value system – you won’t be able to discern difference between good and evil let alone sinless.

    There is no reason to debate with people who are Schizophrenic and have no value system. (Not worth my time)

  10. Tom Cheria says:

    Anonymous

    At least be honest don’t use taquiya like Muslims.
    Jesus also ordered innocent women and children to be killed — FALSE.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8&t=4s

    David wood has clearly shows how what you said is false..
    If you want to see Sam Harris ordering to kill women and Children. (LOL)

    Jesus(God for Christians) never killed – unlike almost every other God(s) in every religion except Buddhism (Buddha). Even God of Hindus killed.
    This is why Buddhist have created the second best civilization on earth.

    “If God appears and He does nothing to stop the evil people”

    Nope God’s job is only to give free will and not to interfere in free will. My God does not interfere in free will.

  11. Anonymous says:

    The God of the Quran very clearly orders innocent women and children to be killed. Jesus also ordered innocent women and children to be killed. See below. Only the God of Hinduism, Lord Krishna does not order women and children to be killed. Lord Krishna killed the bad guys who were killing general people and those who attacked Him. If God appears and He does nothing to stop the evil people and says he will come back later to save people. This is a bogus god. Whenever Lord Krishna appears, He destroys the demonic and saves the general people. If you read very carefully Srimad Bhagavatam canto 10, this has all His activities. Please quote from this to backup your claims. Don’t just make things up.

    “Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion – at that time I descend Myself. To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium.” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 4.7-8)

    “Don’t assume that I came to bring peace on the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34)

    “But bring here these enemies of mine, who did not want me to rule over them, and slaughter them in my presence.’” (Luke 19:27 CSB)

    Only one example should suffice to illustrate the success of Jesus’ teaching; “slaughter them in my presence.”

    Godfrey of Bouillon conquest of Jerusalem (c1060-1100) ― Known as the “First Crusade:”

    “The defenders fled along the walls and through the city, and our men pursued them killing and cutting them down as far as Solomon’s Temple, where there was such a massacre that our men were wading ankle deep in blood … Then the crusaders rushed around the whole city, seizing gold and silver, horses and mules, and looting the housing that were full of costly things. Then, rejoicing and weeping from excess of happiness, they all came to worship and give thanks at the sepulcher of our savior Jesus. Next morning, they went cautiously up the temple roof and attacked the Saracens, both men and women [who had taken refuge there], cutting off their heads with drawn swords … Our leaders then gave orders that all the Saracen corpses should be thrown outside the city because of the stench, for almost the whole city was full of dead bodies … such a slaughter of pagans had never been seen or heard of, for they were burned in pyres like pyramids, and none save God alone knows how many they were.”

  12. Steve says:

    Tom

    I want to know what is moral about telling people to have no thought for the morrow? What the Fock is “sinnless” about telling people to have no care for their families, their livelihoods and their community? A man preaching this is a sick evil man – and not a sinless moral guide for all humanity.

  13. Tom Cheria says:

    Steve,

    “Yep like the Jews who he called vipers and sons of the devil. By the way what did Mr omnipotent lay down his life for? If not to sacrifice himself to us in order to save us all from himself?”

    You have problems with comprehension – I have over and over explained.

    It is NOT Omnipotence that makes life of JESUS rock – it is the sinless life of JESUS.

    Jesus(God for Christians) never killed – unlike almost every other God in every religion except Buddhism (Buddha). Even God of Hindus killed.

    This is why Buddhist have created the second best civilization on earth.

    If you have problems with Sodom please visit adl.org office and ask them to condemn Jewish history.

  14. Unlike the new celebrity Atheists, I do not think all religion is ridiculous and only for the feeble minded. However, I do believe that, at this stage in human evolution, we can be grateful to the religious people who, over thousands of years tried to figure it all out. And we can take from that what works, with our modern understanding of science, including its limitations and our ability to distinguish between metaphor and literal meaning. As we evolve “religiousness” can evolve too. But to remain stuck in the literal belief of a God who is supposedly infinite but did not invent Hell, even though he’ll send you there if you don’t love his son, who is really him, but he really didn’t invent Hell… I think we can evolve beyond this nonsense into a more evolved inquiry into the nature of consciousness and the great mystery of the Divine Source of all things, both real and imagined.

  15. Steve says:

    Tom

    “JESUS tolerated people who rejected him and that too very gracefully – he even willfully laid down his life. Well that is the character of real God.” Yep like the Jews who he called vipers and sons of the devil. By the way what did Mr omnipotent lay down his life for? If not to sacrifice himself to us in order to save us all from himself?

    “JESUS was not narcissist hence he never asked anyone to bow to him or worship him.” Yep that’s why he says anyone who rejects him is going to be burnt and on the day of judgement it will be worse for the people who rejected him than it was for the people of sodom? That’s why he says anyone who is not with me is against me? That’s why he says give up everything in your life (“have no thought for the morrow”) and be saved by following me?

    “JESUS never asked anyone to worship him or bow to him. “ He says obey the commandments and since Christians claim he was god it seems he did ask that. ( Note – even a 5 year old can find quotes in the NT both in support of the position that Jesus is God and others against it – as the God man (?) contradicts himself on many subjects.

  16. Tom Cheria – Will you email me? [email protected] ? Thanks.

  17. Dear Anonymous –

    If there is one book I have read over and over and more than any other it is the Gita. And I am amazing at how people seem to come away with remarkably different interpretations of it. That said, I agree that it does not condone most of the ugliness that is in the Quran. However, it sort of boggles my mind how a Hindu can read that book and come away with the idea that they must take a vow of non-violence or not eat meat.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Real Hinduism is what is taught in the Bhagavad-Gita by Lord Krishna. Don’t be mislead by ignorant Hindus and non-Hindus. The Bhagavad-Gita is the essence of all Vedic knowledge. The Bhagavad-Gita is unique. It does not advocate slavery, no taking women captive, no rape, no eternal damnation, no hate. no stoning no female genital mutilation. These evil actions are not advocated by the Bhagavad-Gita.

  19. Tom – As for your comment about being a rebel. After getting involved briefly with let’s say “the wrong crowd” I repented and became a Born Again Christian at 14 years old. This lasted 2 years, during which I either read or listened on tape to pretty much the entire Bible. I attended church (Evangelical / Charismatic) several times a week and eventually lead the Bible study that was held during lunch, at my High School. I became a leader among other teenagers and was very much committed. Long story short, I lost my faith. That’s when the rebellion set in and with a vengeance. I have serious problems with those who are Fundamentalists about their religion, but I have come to learn to be more open minded about other ways that people experience their faith. I am certainly NOT on the same page as Sam Harris, when it comes to Christianity. His views only apply when addressing the Fundamentalists and fanatics, but not those with more nuanced and evolved views of scripture and the importance of the Jesus archetype.

  20. Tom – You have a very evolved view of Jesus and Christianity. I’m sure you’re aware it is outside of the mainstream of popular Christian doctrine. What I’m finding, in listening to Jordan Peterson, is there are others.

  21. Tom Cheria says:

    As a child even after being told that I would burn in Hell for all eternity I did not have any anxiety nor did I have any blind faith to avoid unbearable pain so that is not something I can relate to. Maybe I was more of a rebel than you were. 🙁

  22. Tom Cheria says:

    “I have no problem with the Jesus archetype” — Thank you!!

    Christianity is all about “Jesus archetype” 🙂

  23. Tom Cheria says:

    “Literal interpretation of much of the Bible ”

    Bible is not written by Jesus (God for Christians) so it is perfectly fine and true that literal interpretation of Bible is not intended.

    Bible is written by men inspired by the greatness of God. It is not the same as inspired by God.
    Bible is history with opinions written by men of which some of the opinions are wrong as well.

    Bible contains word of God i.e. life of Jesus. But bible the whole bible is not word of God.

    For most Christians — Life of Jesus = Word of God.

  24. I have no problem with the Jesus archetype and I do believe that Protestant Christianity was an essential part of creating America and has done a lot of good in the world. However, the literal interpretation of much of the Bible doesn’t work for me. As metaphor, I do however see a lot of value in the stories.

  25. For me personally, growing up in the Lutheran Church, being told that I would burn in Hell for all eternity, if I did not believe that Jesus died for my sins, caused me an incredible amount of anxiety. I also could not believe that God loved me so much that he created Hell, just in case I don’t love him back. But even that kind of critical thinking made me afraid that, if I were to die while examining the absurdity of this doctrine, I might end up in Hell. So, what I learned was to have blind faith in order to avoid unbearable punishment for a God that supposedly loves me. And I feel that this kind of experience is something that millions and millions of people can relate to exactly.

  26. Tom Cheria says:

    “from the time you are a child (so they can scare the bejezus out of you) that Jesus loves you so much he died for your sins. But if you don’t believe that, you will burn in Hell for all eternity”

    This is being done to make kids have Jesus as role model. When they are adults they “should” be re-taught — how TRYING to live sinless has so much better probability that people could have a wonderful life.

    A toddler/child does not understand probability hence that kind of teaching is needed but when they clearly understand probability they should be re-taught.

  27. Tom Cheria says:

    “Why is worship necessary at all?”

    No worship(literal meaning) is not necessary at all and should be shunned.

    JESUS never asked anyone to worship him or bow to him. Only satan(allah) wants people bow to him.

    Worship also means role model. Haven’t you heard people say music is my religion and I worship Madonna?

    So if someone worship JESUS i.e. have JESUS as role model – then it is perfectly fine and that is what Christianity is.

    Christianity = way of life where people ‘TRY’ to live sinless like JESUS.

    Religion = way of life hence even music could be a religion for a person.

    US constitution does not define religion and rightfully so.

  28. QUESTION: for the religious folks. And I mean no disrespect here. Why is worship necessary at all? Not belief, but worship? Does “God” require it and if so, why?

  29. More sidestepping. Not all Christians believe in Hell. However, the majority of mainstream Christian denominations, both Protestant and Catholic DO teach you, from the time you are a child (so they can scare the bejezus out of you) that Jesus loves you so much he died for your sins. But if you don’t believe that, you will burn in Hell for all eternity. That means that many of Hitler’s henchmen might have gone to Heaven while Anne Frank is still burning in Hell.

  30. Tom Cheria says:

    “Christianity teach that, if you do not believe that Jesus died for your sins, you will go to Hell?”

    NO.. might not go to hell just for that reason. But if you don’t TRY to live “sinless” like JESUS there are more chances you might end up in Jail. Most of the western laws are modeled on what is sin and what is not hence trying to live sinless like JESUS has a better chance people would avoid jail on planet earth.

    If you try to live sinless like JESUS there is good chance you might have a wonderful life and help in creating/refining/sustaining a successful civilization.

  31. Tom Cheria says:

    I believe IDOL worship is million times better than worshiping the SATAN(allah). Idols would never ask to kill JEWS and Christians like how allah(SATAN) ordered. SATAN(allah) worship is the worst of the worst worship.

  32. When it comes to Hinduism, which is practically a “make your own religion” like make your taco night, there is very little that is official Hindu / Vedic doctrine.

  33. So far everyone defending Christianity has sidestepped my question. So, I’ll ask it again:

    Doesn’t MAINSTREAM Christianity teach that, if you do not believe that Jesus died for your sins, you will go to Hell?

    Yes, or no?

  34. Found The Truth says:

    Hinduism also believe in Heaven (where there is lot of women, wine and sex, gay sex, animal sex and incest ) and Hell (where there are demons who can do yoga and become god and get women, wine and sex, gay sex and animal sex and incest )

  35. Tom Cheria says:

    “Christian and Islamic gods regard rejection as the greatest offence”

    Wrong again.. Christian God is JESUS. God(Absolute Goodness) = JESUS.

    JESUS tolerated people who rejected him and that too very gracefully – he even willfully laid down his life. Well that is the character of real God.

    JESUS was not narcissist hence he never asked anyone to bow to him or worship him.

    SATAN tried 3 times to make JESUS bow to SATAN and failed unfortunatley SATAN was successful in making 1.5 billion people bow to SATAN 5 times a day.

    P.S. Jesus did not write bible. Life of JESUS is the word of God and not bible.

  36. Tom Cheria says:

    “Doesn’t Christianity also teach that if you do not accept Jesus and Lord, you will be cast into a lake of hell fire, for all eternity?”

    No.. Christinaity teaches if you happen to live sinless like JESUS you would most likely have a wonderful peaceful life and help in creating a wonderful civilization.

    See for example success of Western Christian Civilization where 99% reject allah(SATAN) and 90% try to live sinless like JESUS and celebrate Christmas.

    Show me a civilization as successful as WCC — why are non-Christians lining up to come to Christian West and live among Christians. I am so tired of winning.

  37. Um… Doesn’t mainstream Christianity also teach that if you do not accept Jesus and Lord, you will be cast into a lake of hell fire, for all eternity?

  38. Face_The_Truth says:

    Islamic barbarism is rooted in cruelty towards women and girls and animals in particular, as well as cruelty towards all non-believers in general.

    When a fictitious Islamic “Allah” only and absolutely communicates with only one human on earth at a particular time of history, there’s a significant reason for anyone to doubt the authenticity of any such encounter between that one man with one and only fictitious “Allah”.

    Islam is a man-made “religion” similar to Christianism and Judaism.

    In proper analyses, Islam appears to be a military-political ideology that masquerades as a “religion” due to its well-written 1400 years old genocidal history.

    However, Islam delves into the innate darkness of human psyche where man wants to control everyone around him, which inherently makes other humans of similar dark desires to be attracted to Islamic close creeds.

    Islam promises eternal happiness in Islamic paradise to its followers after death on earth!

    What else other men possibly need or want?

    All that other men (i.e., followers of Islam) will have to do are murdering, raping, torturing and, ultimately, totally subjugating all non-believers so that faithful Muslims (i.e., mumin Mussalmans) can become the masters of all pre-Islamic humans who still want to stick to their forefathers’ faiths and customs and cultural diversities.

    Arsoning non-believers’ houses, temples and archives in order to wipe out any trace of pre-Islamic civilization(s) were borrowed by medieval Muslims from early Christians’ debauchery in the European continent as early Christians did effectively wipe out all traces of Pagan heritages of Europe and whatever couldn’t be wiped out where effectively incorporated into Christianity in order to falsely claim that science, arts and commerce were brought into human achievement and human endeavors by Christianity alone throughout the world.

    Christianity claimed, from day one of its creation our earth had remained the same and there’s no such thing to conserve our earthly resources since our earth was going to be destroyed any way very soon and only the faithful Christians would ascend Christian heaven while all non-believers — of Jesus the Nazarene Jew for being the only begotten “Son” of the fictitious Christian “God the Father” — as well as all animals and plants would be suffering in the eternal Christian hellfire.

    A complete dark view of our existence as humans on earth as well as in the vast universe was depicted by Christianity and Islam from their very commencements.

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  39. travellerruth says:

    This doctrine of no Judgements at all is foul and evil and is not scriptural at all. It is taught by many that were of the churches today who now follow false doctrines of men. There is a judgement upon the wicked, haters, rapers and killers of the most innocent unborn and born children and men and women and upon the haters of God and the good earth and His creation. These are not only the fallen third of the wicked and hateful angels but the mankind of the earth who hate God and His Creation and His Commandments and laws. This shall not change for His Judgements and Wrath now begin to come upon this earth to destroy and cast into the fire those who offend and hate and kill and rape and slaughter and destroy that which is Gods’ and His People. He is a just and kind God and He sent His Beloved Son and His two Witnesses of Israel and the True Believers to mankind to teach them a better way and those who reject Gods’ Laws and ways are rejected of God without repentance and turning away from sin. The wicked are cast into the lake of fire with the fallen third of the angels and their vile offspring crossbreeds and demons from the first age and flood.

  40. Steve says:

    Stanley

    Torture is a cruel and unusual punishment and is banned in all civilised countries. This is not even getting to the fact that the Christian and Islamic gods regard rejection as the greatest offence – worthy of eternal torture. Does God suffer from malignant narcissism like other dictators who couldn’t tolerate Criticism and disagreement and would kill and torture anyone who did so?

  41. stanley says:

    You make it seem as though you are being forced to burn by God. If that is so, then that would be wrong. However if you choose to burn yourself, whose fault is that? You have a choice.

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