Who will go to Hell?

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  1. @Ron, to prove Jesus as the only way to reach God, you should not give examples of conversions of some people to Christianity. There are many examples of conversions to Hinduism from Christianity (e.g. Margaret Noble who was the daughter of a Christian preacher, who converted to Hinduism and called herself Bhagini Nivedita i.e. Sister Nivedita), many of born Muslims converting to Hinduism in places like Palestine after realizing Krishna (ISKCON- International Society for Krishna Consciousness), born Muslims converting to Hinduism after rediscovering the Vedic heritage (e.g. Anwar Sheikh) etc, Muslims converting to Christianity especially in places in Africa and countries like Iran, and of course, Christians converting to Islam in Europe & USA. A report says that 1,00,000 White British girls have converted to Islam in UK till now. You can see celebrities converting to Islam. Cassius Clay the boxer became Muhammad Ali, another basketball layer became Karim Abdul Jabbar, South African cricketer Wayne Parnell has also converted to Islam and many such instances. They do not show anything of the truth of any religion.

    If Christianity is true which you are trying to show, give evidence that the Bible is a Word of God. What is there in the Bible which proves by its contents that it is from God? What about the mistakes in the Bible- contradictions, and facts totally contrary to modern knowledge? Prove the truth of Christianity, giving examples of conversions of others doesnt prove anything. A great scholar Sitaram Goel has written a book: “Why I became a Hindu” from a staunch anti-Hindu Communist which he once was. This converted ex-Communist turned out to be one of the greatest Hindu scholars in the 1980s and 1990s.

  2. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian

    Based on your story, it’s apparent that terrorists of all kinds always find refuse in either Christianity or Islam.

  3. Ron says:

    This is the story of a HIndu RSS, VHP terrorist who was foul-mouthed, hated Christians, persecuted and killed Christians and then became a Christian himself.

    Now he underwent the same torture but this time this former anti-Christian terrorist kept his faith.

    The story of his conversion has been tweeted even by Kavita Krishnan a social activist and communist pressing for reform in the region.

    https://twitter.com/kavita_krishnan/status/641175850449145856

    ORISSA STATE, India (BP) — A group of criminals sits jam-packed in the filthy Indian holding cell. The smell of urine permeates the dank air.

    Two bedraggled men in the corner stand out from the other detainees — not because of their threadbare clothes or clean-cut features but because of their actions. Pabitra Kata hums a hymn while Niladri Kanhar prays.

    Their alleged crime: “proselytizing.”

    Local authorities accuse the two of coercing a Hindu man into becoming a Christian. Neither denies the fact that they were sharing a Bible story, but the word “coercion” makes them shake their heads in disbelief.

    Claiming Christianity in India’s Orissa State means persecution and brutal beatings. Both men have the scars to prove it. Kata sports a hairless, jagged line above his right ear where his head was caved in from a beating; Kanhar has an eight-inch scar along his right side.

    Kata glances at his friend deep in prayer and remembers his own fervent prayer that started their journey.

    SIX YEARS AGO

    “Lord, give me just one family to build Your church on,” Kata begged God in 2005. “We need a family that can stand strong like a rock — like Your disciple Peter.”

    The Holy Spirit answered the pastor by leading him up a mountain path and through the forest. When he stopped at the edge of a well-known terrorist village, Kata couldn’t believe it. This para-military group often killed or terrorized Christians in a nationalist effort to keep India strictly Hindu. To make matters worse, one of the most feared leaders who lived in this village — Kanhar — was responsible for destroying churches and the beating, rape and even murder of Christians.

    “Surely, God isn’t this crazy!” Kata thought. He had made a wrong turn in the forest, the pastor thought as he walked back home, pleading the entire way for just one family.

    Inside the village, Kanhar sat in his house, a broken and angry man. All five of his children were sick. Despite his powerful position as the local terrorist leader, there was nothing he could do to make things better for his family. He already had tried everything — medical doctors, offerings at the Hindu temple and witchcraft.

    At one point, Kanhar sensed that one of the gods to which he had made sacrifices told him someone in his house would die.

    “I did everything you asked. We have become beggars and still we are suffering,” Kanhar screamed. “If you are not able to save us, go away and send us someone who can!”

    A DREAM & A PRAYER

    One night, Kata was startled awake by a vivid dream. It was as if someone called out to him. The pastor replayed the fragmented images in his head: a mountain path, a village and a falling tree. The tree pointed to the terrorist leader’s mud-packed home that emanated mourning and sorrow.

    Kata dressed and told his wife that a family needed prayer. Then he scurried up the mountain path to the most feared home in the region.

    The pastor arrived too late. Kanhar’s eldest daughter died during the night. The terrorist leader’s wife met Kata at the door, explaining that her husband took the body to the hospital for a death certificate. She advised the pastor to leave before her husband returned. Kanhar hated Christians and she didn’t want to see anyone else die today, feeling enough pain inside her for a lifetime.

    The pastor pleaded with the mother not to give up hope. They just needed to pray. She didn’t know how, so he urged her to repeat “in Jesus’ name” throughout the night. He promised to return the next day at 10 a.m.

    MIRACLES & FAITH

    That morning, Kanhar and his daughter walked hand-in-hand up the path to their home. The pastor wasn’t surprised, but no one else could believe their eyes. Although doctors had pronounced her dead, she now ran to hug her mother.

    Kanhar eyed the strange man standing at their door. Kata smiled, extended his hand and said, “I’m your new friend, Pabitra Kata.”

    Kanhar’s face, however, showed his intent to kill the pastor as part of the terrorist group’s quest to wipe out Christianity. Kanhar’s eyes wandered around the yard, searching for anything he could use as a weapon.

    “We hate Jesus here,” the terrorist stated angrily, moving toward the Kata.

    Kanhar’s wife stepped between them, saying that the pastor’s prayers had been pivotal in bringing their daughter back to life. She boldly told her husband that she now believed in Jesus and prayed in His name.

    The terrorist reluctantly listened to his wife’s story and halfheartedly agreed to believe. After all, what choice did he have? The pastor’s God healed their daughter when nothing else worked.

    By 5 p.m., though, Kanhar truly gave his heart to God as his four other bed-ridden children also became well and got up to play.

    “My family is healthy. This is a miracle of God,” the terrorist announced. “From this day, our household will worship only Him.”

    A CHURCH IS BIRTHED

    Each night, Kata snuck through the forest to the terrorist village. He ducked past guards and slipped in Kanhar’s back door. The family of seven sat waiting to learn new Bible stories and to pray.

    Kanhar soaked up every lesson like a sponge. He had never felt so much peace in his life. Even though his neighbors were angry with him for bringing the shame of Christianity to the village, he openly shared his newfound faith.

    Gradually, more people attended the nightly meetings. The para-military group tried to block this multiplication by fining anyone who talked to Kanhar 10,000 rupees ($200) — more money than most made in a year.

    One night as Kata left the prayer meeting, a group of men grabbed and bound him. They dragged him along the paved road, finally stopping in a clearing where 30 others with clubs and sticks in hand waited to join the attack.

    The men blamed the pastor for “turning” their former leader. They beat and kicked the crumpled man. They broke his ribs and bashed in one side of his head.

    The pastor’s screams pierced the silent night, yet no one came to his rescue.

    “God, like your servant Stephen, I am ready,” Kata prayed through the pain. When heaven did not open, the pastor changed his prayer. “Help me stand firm. Use me to build Your church here!”

    Police picked Kata’s battered body up off the road and took him to the station. They threatened to charge him with “converting Hindus.” But in the end, they told him not to return to Kanhar’s village or, next time, he surely would die.

    Despite the warning, the pastor continued to meet with the former terrorist leader for Bible study. During one of their prayer times, the pastor looked at Kanhar through still-swollen eyes and predicted, “You will have to suffer worse than me for your faith.”

    Kanhar couldn’t believe what he heard. The village had forced his family to leave and filed charges against him for “conversions” after another entire family proclaimed Christianity. The former terrorist couldn’t find work to feed his family. His brothers disowned him. Even his children were forced to leave school. How could it get worse?

    It didn’t take long for the pastor’s words to come true. One day as Kanhar worked in the field, a group of about 50 men carrying clubs and machetes chased him down. They bound their former leader and forced him to kneel.

    Kanhar prayed as the men began throwing large stones at him. He lifted a prayer of thanksgiving when, somehow, none of the stones struck him. The enraged men then rushed at him, swinging their clubs and machetes. Blood pooled quickly around him.

    “Stop!” a man yelled. “He deserves a slow death for what he has brought to our village.”

    With that, they divided into two teams — taking turns kicking and clubbing. At one point, the men urinated on Kanhar, causing his open wounds to sting and burn. They broke his leg and placed a poisonous plant on his eyes to increase the pain.

    “If you don’t come back to Hinduism, you will die,” a man told him.

    “Even if you kill me or my children, I will remain a Christian until my last breath,” Kanhar replied. “I will stand firm in the truth of Jesus Christ.”

    BACK AT THE JAIL

    Holding to that declaration has not been easy for the former terrorist as well as the pastor. Persecution is simply the cost of sharing the Gospel. Beatings, unemployment and threats of jail time are to be expected.

    The “good days” come when someone professes Jesus as Lord and Savior. Those days make their perseverance possible.

    Kata sees the bailiff approaching and stands up. It’s time for their case. The judge glances through the papers then sternly warns them about “proselytizing.” He surprises everyone, however, by dropping all charges against the two Christians.

    The two friends thank God and rush out the door. There’s no time for celebration — the pastor and the terrorist-turned-believer are late for evangelism training at the church.

  4. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for screen-name Unknown_Scholar:

    What did I tell you in my previous post?

    Dignified language doesn’t work.

    Just look at the latest post right after my posts to you.

    I can write a dignified 300-word-essay demonstrating Christian-lies and Muslim-lies one after another.

    But, the NEXT post of reply you will find will be something like:

    “JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY OF LIFE AND CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY!” from a Christian liar and…

    “MUHAMMAD WAS THE PERFECT MAN AND, SO, CONVERT TO ISLAM!” from a Muslim bastard.

    Christians and Muslims typically ask non-Christians and non-Muslims for “dialogue”.

    And, what that “dialogue” actually means is nothing but proselytization into falsehoods of Christianity and Islam.

    “Hindus” make mistakes by thinking that Christians and Muslims will return the same or similar favor(s) after “Hindus” give up their forefathers’ faith.

    But, history shows that, that never works out the way “Hindus” contemplate about Christianity and Islam.

    “Hindu” kings employed poverty-stricken migratory Muslim foreigners from Middle East and Central Asia in “Hindu” kingdoms during medieval period.

    But, when opportune time came, Muslim employees always revolted against their “Hindu” pay-masters time after time.

    “Hindus” do not learn from history.

  5. Ron says:

    This is the surprising and remarkable conversion to Christianity testimony of a Hindu Chief Priest having a PHD in Sanskrit, PHD in Hindu Religion, Gold Medallist and felicitated by the President of India

    MUST READ (If you have NOT watched the video)

    Author : Dr. Srinivasa Bhattacharya

    Along with excerpts from the Vedas about Christ.

    “Good morning. How many of you are really happy this morning? I am Dr. Srinivasa Bhattachary. If I appropriately introduce myself stating my full name it is too long. I come from the 145th direct generation of Sri Vaishnam Bhattachary priesthood community. Even today, grandfather, Raghu Bhattachary is the chief priest in Srilakshmaneshaswamy Devasthanam at Ponvanugalathoor. I come from a family background of priests and today my whole family are Bhattacharyas for the gods who have eyes but cannot see, who have ears but cannot hear, who have noses but cannot smell, who have hands but cannot touch, who have legs but cannot walk, but I by the grace of Jesus Christ, have come among you as a Bhattacharya for Lord Jesus Christ.

    At the age of six I wore the sacred thread (poonool) according to the Hindu tradition. I was given to the Gayathri Diksha, ombhoohu, Ombhuwaha, Om subhaga, ommaha, Omjanaka, Om thapaka, Om sathyam, Om thathuservdarinam, Om barbudevastimagam, Om diviyayonagam,Om prajothaya, Om jothirasakam, Om amarthavaram, Om burbosaram. I was sent to an ashramam for my studies. Right from my childhood I studied the Rigveda, Yegurveda, Samarveda, Adarvarnaveda, Nalayiram Lijya Prabhandtha, Ethihasa, Purana Ramayana, Mahabharatha, Bhagvatgeetha etc etc in the Hindu mythological subjects in Sanskrit as well as in the Grandha Language. Once my early education was over in Hindu philosophy in south India, I was sent to North India, Uttar Pradesh to do my doctorate in the Banaras University. I went there and did my siromony in Sanskrit and PhD in Grandha. While I was studying in the Banaras University the destruction of the Babri Masjid took place at Ayodhya. Since I was a Bhattachary and since I was doing my double PhD in a famous Hindu University, I was chosen by the RSS as their national youth leader. The objective of the RSS, as you all know, is to stop foreign religions coming to India. They are especially dead against Christ and Christianity being proclaimed in the land of India. When I was in this organization as their national Youth leader, my personal commitment was to destroy the mosque then and there. In those days my faith in the Hindu religion and their gods was very strong and so I went all the way to France and I peddled a dynamite bomb and I brought it to India and set it off at the tomb of the mosque, using my personal computer from my cabin. At that time many Islamic fundamentalists came forward to stop us in our activities. In retaliation our Hindu parishad people chopped their hands and legs and chopped off their heads and killed not less than 3000 people and flung their bodies into the Sarayoor River. I recall this, as I was totally submerged into the sinful way of life right from the beginning. That was how strongly I believed in the Hindu philosophy.

    After this incident I was doing the research work in my university library. The research topic that I had taken for my thesis was “How will man go to the kingdom of God after his death?” How will a man reach the Brahma patha or Sivan Narayan Patha or how can we go to the kingdom of God. While I was going through many books in the library, a very old sanyasi came to the library and called out to me. He was having a long beard and very long hair. He was wearing only an ordinary dhoti. He called me out, and giving me a small piece of paper he walked out. I did not know who he was or where he came from. After he left I looked at the small piece of paper and on it was written the verse from John chapter 3 verse 16. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, for whosoever believeth should not perish but shall have everlasting life”. The more I read this scripture the more it began to inspire me in the very depth of my heart. My dear brothers and sisters why did this particular scripture inspire me so much? The word of God says in John, chapter 1 that the word of God consists of life. I went to all my gurujis and asked them who is this begotten son. All they could tell me was that the begotten son is Krishna Paramatma and Rama Paramatma etc etc but nobody told me that Jesus is the only begotten son. For one month I was desperately hunting for the answer. After one month, one particular morning I was sitting in my dormitory going through this piece of paper once again. Tears started to gush out my eyes to know who this begotten Son of God is. Then I heard a voice telling me to read the rigveda. Upon opening it what I read in Sanskrit was ” Santhakaram purakasayanam, pathmanabam suresham, vishwakaram…….mekavarnam….lakshikanthan…yogikirtham vandal bishnumbam, survalokayika….” which means, “The God so loved the world , that he gave his only begotten Son of God that whosoever believes in Him will have everlasting life”. When I read the bible scripture in my own Rigveda I decided that even if I die I must obey this only begotten son and that I must surrender my life to Him.

    My exams got over and after finishing my thesis I registered the same with the registrar of the university. When the result came, by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ I came first in the whole of India in both my doctorates. I was invited to Delhi to be awarded the presidents Gold medal in the Indian parliament amidst all the distinguished parliamentarians. But all this did not give me any joy. Here I was born into a royal family of Nepal, with my family breeding 13 elephants and having 108 divine temples across the world where we are the chief priests, having obtained double doctorates and double gold medals from the president and yet having no peace nor joy in life. The bible says, “If a man gains the whole world and yet loses his soul what is the use?”

    There was a great vacuum in my life. I still did not know Jesus as the saviour of the world, nor as the prince of peace, nor as the redeemer of the world and in such a state I found myself making preparations to return to Tamil Nadu. I booked my ticket on the Ganga-Kaveri express. At Varnasi station I boarded the train and subsequently arrived in Madhya Pradesh. All the while I was reading John 3:16. Something told me that I should keep meditating on this verse and I did so till the train pulled into Madhya Pradesh. The railway staff went for a coffee break and at the same time I heard a voice telling me to get down at this station. I was wondering why I should do this for I did not have any relatives there. The more I refused to listen to the voice the more persistent it became. Finally I gave in and got off the train. After a few minutes the train left the station and I was left alone on the platform. Again I heard a small voice telling me to start walking. I started to walk. After walking for nearly 3 kilometers I came to a place called Baratpur. Mapier town in Jabalpur city. The moment I came to this particular spot, where there was a cement arch, I saw the same old sanyasi who had come to my college library, 800 kilometers away, coming towards me pointing his fingers at me. Putting his hand on me he said, “The Lord who you wanted to know in your life is Jesus Christ. The only begotten son whom you are seeking is Christ. He loves you and forgives your sin and he is going to cleanse you from all your sinful natures. He is going to give you a new life”. When he said all that I could not control myself. Here was a very simple man, very old and ordinary, but yet filled with the resurrected power of the Lord, preaching the gospel to me. I humbled myself and yielded to that saint.

    From there he took me to a place called Bidagarh. That is where the Narmada River flows into a very high velocity. We crossed the river and went to the other side where we could find no human beings at all. He took me into the forest and he took me inside a cave. With a great burden he knelt in the cave and opening the bible he started to preach the gospel. He told me how God created the heavens and the earth, the rivers and the seas, the plants and the animals and how he created human beings. He told me of the fall of man into sin and how the Lord Jesus Christ came into this world as the Messiah, how much He suffered on the cross at Golgotha and how he finally died. When I heard all this I could not control myself for in Hinduism there are 33 crores ( millions) gods. But none of the gods came to die for me and my sins. But here I found the Jesus came and died for my sins. Even Hinduism says very sincerely in the Samaveda, “Every man is a sinner and unless he is cleansed by the precious blood he cannot go into the kingdom of God”. But we find that no one came to shed their blood in Hinduism but we find Christ having done it. I opened my heart to the Lord and cried, “Lord I am very sorry . Lord I open my heart unto you. Lord it was for my sins that both your hands and your legs were nailed to the cross. It was for my sins that you wore the crown of thorns on your head. It was for my sins that a spear was thrust into your right ribs. Lord I am sorry and please forgive me Lord”.

    The Lord was merciful to me . As it says in the bible “He that covers his sin shall not prosper but whosoever shall confess it and forsake it shall have mercy”. Again it also says, “If you confess your sins, He is faithful and just to forgive you all your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness”. I did it in the presence of the Lord. I wept bitterly for all my sinful activities right from my childhood to that day. God heard my prayers for in the bible it is written in revelation chapter 3:20, “Behold I stand at your door and knock, and if any man heareth my voice, open the door. I will come to him and will sup with him and he with me”. He stands at your door and knocks. It is because when he chooses a son or a daughter for his kingdom, he has the courtesy to knock. Satan never knocks. For him a small ventilator is enough to creep in through. Lord Jesus alone can bless. That is how I came to know the Lord. After accepting Jesus as my personal saviour, He showed me many areas in my life where there was still sin and on my part I confessed and prayed and got myself cleansed by the blood of Jesus.

    I stayed for two months with the old man in the forest. Every morning we used to kneel together in the presence of the Lord for hours and pray and meditate upon the word of God. After 2 months one day he took me to the Narmada River and baptized me in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. It is very difficult for me to say everything that happened to me that day. As David says in the 23rd Psalm, he prepared a table for me in the presence of my enemies and he anoints my head with oil. My cup runneth over, surely goodness and mercy will follow all the days of my life and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever. That was the assurance I got. After I received the Holy Spirit, the old man told me “Now God has brought you to Judea and then he will take you to Samaria and from there to the uttermost parts of the Earth”. He explained to me that Judea meant him, Samaria meant my hometown and community. He told me that I was to go back to my community and preach to them the gospel. I went back to Nepal.

    The moment I reached home my parents were standing outside. My father did not allow me to go inside the house. They said to me. “We sent you to get a higher education in the most famous university. You received 2 gold medals from the president of India. After all this you are returning as a poor, downtrodden, inferior untouchable caste. What happened to you?” They left me standing at the door and after asking for some Ganges water from the temple my father proceeded to give me a bath as I was defiled. He poured that water over me. Even then according to them I was still impure for only external purification had taken place and I still needed internal purification. So he sent another priest to the backyard of the house and asked him to bring a glass of cow’s urine. I was told to drink this by my father. In our family our father is very revered and in no way do we show any disrespect to him. Therefore when he commanded me to drink I had to obey. I silently received this and saying “victory in the blood of Jesus”, over and over again, I silently drank it. Only then was I allowed to enter.

    My parents were still afraid that I might sneak out and join some Christian church in Nepal, and once or twice without my father’s knowledge I did visit a faith home in Nepal. Thus my father started to give me so much work that I would always find myself to be busy. I was given lot of chores to do, even in the temple mainly cleaning and washing various idols housed there. All this I did obeying my father, always saying “Victory in the name of Jesus”. Wanting to punish me he left me behind in the temple one night.

    These temples were constructed 2000 to 3000 years ago and right from the entrance to the Mola Sarpa Graha, we had to walk not less than 3 km. The ceiling is 100 to 120 ft high and at night there are no lights as there were no electricity connections. The temple was also infested with poisonous snakes and scorpions. For many days I was not given any food nor did I have any proper clothing. But amidst all these dangers I knelt down and prayed, “Lord without your will I can never be here. I do not know for what reason you have kept me here but help me to proclaim and lift your name to these people. Lord open the door where I can proclaim the good news for David said in the scripture, “What shall I do unto the Lord who has given me the joy of salvation?” Again in the very next scripture he says,” I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving and will call upon the name of the Lord, I will pay my vows unto the Lord in the presence of all his people”. The next morning about 60 bhattacharyas came to open the temple early in the morning and doing so they came inside. I was on fire and at that moment called out to the bhattacharyas. “Come here. What does your Vedas say about God? What does Hinduism say about God? Who is true God in Hinduism? What are the characteristics of God mentioned in Hinduism? What does Hinduism say about how a man can go into the kingdom of God? Who is the true god that can bring salvation to mankind? For example Om Shri brahmaputhraye namaha- what does this mean? The only begotten son I worship thee. Who is the only begotten Son? It is the Lord Jesus Christ. Om shri Martha Namaha- the Holy Spirit of God I worship thee. Who is the Holy Spirit of God? Again it is the Lord Jesus Christ. Om shri Kannisuthayeha namaha-which means the Lord who is born to a virgin. Om vidyshtayaha Namaha- the Lord who had the circumcision I worship thee. Om shri Panchkayika namaha- the Lord who had the five injuries for the sake of mankind. Om shri vriksh shula arudayaka nama vrisha pondha marthil shulathil siluthayil baliyanavare, umbaye nan namaskarikunen. Who is the Lord who died on the cross of Calvary? All this is our Lord Jesus Christ. Our God is not a dead God. It is true that he came as a messiah to this world. He preached the gospel. He cancelled the devils and the demons. He healed the sick people ad brought salvation to so many people and finally he died on the cross of Calvary, he was buried but he did not become sand. Om Shri mrithyu nayaya namaha meaning the Lord who resurrected from the depths of the Earth on the third day I worship thee”. By the divine grace of God 13 people accepted the Saviour. Out of them 6 took baptism. Today they are strong believers. All this God did for His glory.

    Like this I was inside the temple with these people for 6 months and in the meantime the RSS people came to know about me and so did the BJP and the Shiv Sena along with a lot of other Hindu organizations. They came to Nepal and pulled me out of the temple and thrashed me mercilessly. They fractured both my hands. Today the hand you see is not the real one but an artificial one. In one hand I have 16 screws fixed in my elbow and steel plated within. They poured acid all over me and threw me into the streets. They told me that if I preach Christ anymore then they would kill me. My parents asked me to get out, as I had become a danger to their survival. I was shunned by my family, community, friend and villagers. At a total loss as to what to do then and there I knelt and prayed to the Lord and asked him what He wanted me to do. I claimed His promise where He said that in the days of your trouble I will deliver you and you will glorify me. The Lord told me that along with Judea even Samaria was over and so “Step out in My name and I will take care of you”. I asked for confirmation from the bible if God wanted me to go out for full time mission work and the scripture given to me was John chapter 1:5 “In the beginning was the word and the word was with God. All things are made by Him and with Him not anything made or was made. In Him was life and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not.” “But as many received Him to them He gave power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on His name” (John 1:12). Based on this scripture I was convinced that I was truly a child of God.

    Slowly I made my way to the faith home in Nepal. There God miraculously provided me first aid and a plane ticket to the Bombay Navarathna hospital for treatment. I took complete treatment for 6 months and now I am all right. After that I went back to Nepal once again. My household did not open the door and they told me to leave. I did not do what to do with my life. There were so many denominations in Christianity like Roman Catholics, Jehovah witnesses, Marthomites etc etc. All I knew was the Father God, the Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit. After this I went into many parts of Nepal and interior villages to proclaim Christ. I was expelled from Nepal for preaching the Gospel. I went to Tibet and from there came to North India. Finally today I am in South India. Today right from Kanya Kumari in the south to Kashmir God has taken me to proclaim the good news. Other than parts of India, God took me to Sinapore, Malaysia, Hongkong, France, Sweden,Germany and Czechoslovakia. I came without anything yet I lack nothing. When I came into the ministry I did not have any money on me yet I cannot say that I have gone hungry even once. God provides me with everything that I want day by day. I am also on the RSS hit list. Ten days ago I was coming back to Tamilnadu from Rajastan and I was circled by the RDD people and I lost all my properties to them. By the grace of God I am well today.

    My dear brothers and sisters all this while you have been listening to my testimony fro the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. I request you to get a step closer to the cross of Calvary so that your life would be blessed more. I also humbly request you to uphold me in prayer because the word of God says, “He that has put his hand on the plough and withdraws is unworthy for the kingdom of God” Today you and me, we have put our hands on the plough of our Lord Jesus Christ. Come what may we must till the Christian ground to produce thirty, sixty and hundred folds of fruits for the glory of Lord Jesus Christ. Then only we can boldly say like Paul said “I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith; henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge shall give me at that day: and not to me only but unto all them also that love His appearing”. Initially Paul was also torturing and persecuting Christians and the early churches.

    Then on the road to Jericho near the city of Damascus he was touched by the power of God. Right away he fell flat on the road. When he got up he was blind. God told him to go and get healed by Annaias. Annaias laid his hands upon Paul and prayed and Paul got his sight back. He understood the power of God and accepted the Lord. He committed his life to the Lord. And he came all over Asia and proclaimed the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ. He led thousands of people to the kingdom of God. That was the reason why he could say that he has fought the good fight. It is true in our cases also, dear brothers and sisters. There is a crown of life awaiting each and every one of us. In order to receive it we must run a good race and we should fight a good fight. It is not enough just accepting the Lord as our personal saviour or being baptized, nor is it enough that we receive the f=gifts of the Holy Spirit. What is your personal contribution to the church of God? How much are you contributing to the church of God? The Lord has put you in such a beautiful and affluent place, what are your commitments to the Lord? In how many ways are you robbing God in the church?

  6. Face_The_Truth says:

    [The Unknown Scholar says @Face_The_Truth: You should use dignified language while commenting. Foul language will only hurt your own cause.]

    Dignified language doesn’t work.

    I can write a dignified 300-word-essay demonstrating known Christian-lies and known Muslim-lies one after another.

    But, the NEXT post-reply you will find will be something like “Jesus is the only way of life and convert to Christianity!” from a Christian liar and “Muhammad was the perfect man and, so, convert to Islam!” from a Muslim bastard.

    So, dignified language is useless against Christians and Muslims.

    The biggest mistake “Hindus” make(made) is(was) by giving Christians and Muslims equal footing and equating “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) with Christianity and Islam by indicating something like Christians and Muslims worship the same God as “Hindus” do!

    However, the simple truth of our known history is:

    “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) goes to describe history and human civilization as things happen; whereas Christianity and Islam go to describe history and human civilization POST HOC, ERGO PROPTER HOC (i.e., after this, therefore resulting from it: Used to indicate that a causal relationship has erroneously been assumed from a merely sequential one).

  7. Face_The_Truth says:

    To “Unknown Scholar” or “Unknown Scholarship” or whatever:

    “Of course, there are many mistakes in the Bible, just like in the Qur’an, and the Vedas, and the other scriptures.”

    Please stop equating Vedas with al’Quran and the “Holy” Bible.

    Vedas represent many an individual seeker’s experiences about God or the Supreme Being at various circumstances.

    As I used the words “many an individual seeker’s experiences”, Vedas cannot be fool-proof in every circumstance for perpetuity, although quite astonishingly sometimes Vedas are.

    Because, an individual seeker is also constrained by the rules of Sthana, Kala, and Paatra (i.e., Place, Time and Person), recorded Vedic experiences of any individual seeker can be always subjected to rigorous questioning and criticism by any logical mind.

    Whereas in Islam and Christianity, al’Quran and the Bible are supposed to be infallible words of Biblical God Jehovah as they cannot be questioned in any way as their authenticity are as valid as Biblical God Jehovah himself.

    So, comparing or quoting or equating Vedas with al’Quran and the Bible is an incorrect way of writing, as the above sentence as you have written shows.

    “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) is transcendental, whereas Christianity and Islam are prophetic (i.e., based on one so-called “chosen” person’s whims and dictates!).

    In “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma), if you don’t like Bhagwan Shri Krishna, go for Jai Ma Durga.

    If you don’t like any figurative deity, “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) allows you to practice your spiritual exercise in non-figurative way such as Auṃ (i.e., Oṃ).

    If you are STILL unsatisfied with both figurative and non-figurative ways, you can practice in your spiritual path by believing in your own Karma only and NOTHING ELSE, according to “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma), and that means, whether you call yourself an atheist or an agnostic it doesn’t matter, because Karma Police will come after you for everything you do and everything you utter!

    But, if you look at and study Christianity and Islam, you MUST believe in the son-hood or prophet-hood of one specific person even if the entire Christianity and the entire Islam are based on demonstrable LIES after LIES.

    So, please do not write a sentence like “…there are many mistakes in the Bible, just like in the Qur’an, and THE VEDAS, and the other scriptures.”

    “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) says that,

    KEVALAM SHASTRA MASHRITYA KIM KARTYAVYA BINIRNAYA
    YUCTIHINA BICHARENA DHARMAHAANI PRAJAYATE.

    That means, just because it is in the Dharmaśāstra (Sanskrit: धर्मशास्त्र) such as Vedas, it is NOT automatically a religious doctrine; it must have the logical basis and purpose, according to “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma).

    It is rather Adharma, according to “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma), when any social custom or social activity brings only death, misfortune and destruction without having any logical basis or any purpose of good.

    For example, killing foreign invaders to protect and defend motherland is Dharma, according to “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma), whereas killing anyone for personal gain or personal whim is Adharma.

    Slaughtering animals for sustaining one’s life (i.e., eating cooked meat) is Dharma, whereas killing animals for pleasure or whim is Adharma.

    If I had married a blind woman knowing fully well that my wife would never see me how I looked, either I must have been a very generous, unselfish, Godly man or I must have been a pure imbecile!

    But, after marriage, if my beautiful wife loses her eyesight for any reason, God forbid, and I decide to abandon her because she can see me no more, my such action of abandonment will be Adharma, according to “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma).

  8. @Ron @Stanley and others who simply assume Christianity as true, read this article http://www.faithfreedom.org/islam-and-christianity-a-pagan-view/

    Of course, there are many mistakes in the Bible, just like in the Quran, and the Vedas, and the other scriptures. All that is needed to reject a book as a Word of God is one error. People like Galileo and Copernicus were condemned by the Church for saying things which were contrary to Christian beliefs, but of course they were right. The sun does not revolve around the earth. The Bible believes in a flat earth. Mentions of the ends of the earth can be found in the following places.- Deuteronomy 13:7, 28:49, 28:64, 33:17. Job 2:8, 19:4, 22:27, 33:13, 48:10, 59:13, 61:2, 65:5, 72:8. Isaiah 13:10 also says that the moon is a source of light. There are hundreds of such mistakes in the Bible. If the Bible was the message of God written by humans, it wouldn’t have contained such blunders and there are many many.

    In the past as well as present, followers of both Islam and Christianity were rational in their critique of each other’s faith, but were emotional and unwilling to listen to reason when it came to defending their own.

    There is nothing wrong in believing Jesus as the Savior, or as a way to reach God, but He is not the ONLY way to reach God. All non-Christians or others who do not believe in Jesus, or idol-worshipers & polytheists do not go to Hell. If God is offended, He will be offended by those who call Him Jealous, not by idol-worshippers. If Islam is proved false from mistakes in the Quran, doesn’t the same apply for Christianity due to errors and blunders in the Bible too? Nor is any Hindu book written by God, nor any other book which contains mistakes.

    One should be free to follow one’s religion (Christianity in your case), but one should not believe that non-believers go to Hell. Or even if you believe unbelievers in Jesus will go to Hell, you should leave them alone and not try to convert them.

    @Face_The_Truth you should use dignified language while commenting. Foul language will only hurt your own cause.

  9. Face_The_Truth says:

    RON_THE_CHRISTIAN
    Hear why and how this very highly educated, Hindu priest converted…

    MY ANSWER:

    I AM A VERY HIGHLY EDUCATED MAN TOO (WITH THREE ACADEMIC DEGREES ALONG WITH PROFESSIONAL LICENSES).

    AND, I SAY, YOUR JESUS CHRIST WAS A SON OF A WHORE.

  10. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Stanley_the_Christian_Liar:

    “The establishment of the Nation of Israel in 1948:
    The prophetic ramifications and a challenge to every atheist, agnostic, anti-Semite, Muslim and anyone who discounts the Bible as The Word of God;…”

    WHY DID IT TAKE OVER 2000 YEARS THEN?

    BIBLICAL GOD JEHOVAH WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE CARE OF HIS PROPHETS LIKE MOSES, ELIJAH, EZEKIEL, JESUS AT AL. ALL ALONG FROM THE BEGINNING SINCE JEWS, CHRISTIANS, AND MUSLIMS INHERENTLY WORSHIP THE SAME SCOUNDREL NAMED JEHOVAH.

    ONLY MUSLIMS CALL JEHOVAH BY ANOTHER NAME “ALLAH”.

    AND, CHRISTIANS CALL JEHOVAH BY “HEAVENLY FATHER”, “LOVING FATHER”, F**KING FATHER, ETC.

    “Over 2600 years ago there lived a prophet to whom God revealed that the dispersed nation of Israel will once again resettle in their homeland after centuries of diaspora and exile.”

    EARTH IS APPROX. 4.5 BILLION YEARS OLD.

    SO, WHY DOES YOUR JEHOVAH SEND OR SELECT PROPHETS WITHIN THE PAST 5000 YEARS AFTER WAITING OR WASTING SO MANY BILLIONS OF YEARS JUST DOING NOTHING?

    YOUR ENTIRE EXPLANATION IS NOTHING BUT LIES.

    BECAUSE, CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON LIES AND LIES AND LIES.

    “By Grant Jeffrey:
    Ezekiel’s Vision of the Rebirth of Israel in 1948 Ezekiel’s prophecy of the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and its precise fulfillment in our generation on May 15, 1948 is one of the greatest fulfillments of Bible prophecy in history. Twenty-five centuries ago, while he was a slave during the Babylonian Captivity,…”

    EZEKIEL DID NOT SPECIFY 1948 A.D.

    STOP LYING.

    ELSEWHERE I POSTED A LONG PARAGRAPH — IN LINE BY LINE — TO EXPOSE EZEKIEL FOR WHAT A SCOUNDREL EZEKIEL ACTUALLY WAS.

    “…(606 – 536 BC), the Lord revealed to the prophet Ezekiel, the precise year – 1948 – when Israel would finally be restored to the Promised Land.. The Jew’s eternal relationship to the Holy Land is a major theme of Bible prophecy. In the Bible, times were specified in precise detail regarding the duration of the time when the Jews were to be exiled from the Promised Land and when God will allow them to return to the Holy Land.”

    THIS IS NOT HISTORY.

    THIS IS GARBAGE.

    THIS IS GARBAGE BASED ON LIES IN YOUR “HOLY” SCRIPTURE.

    YOU CHRISTIANS WRITE LIES IN YOUR “HOLY” SCRIPTURE AND, THEN, CITE YOUR OWN LIES AS “GOSPEL TRUTH”.

    “So Mr. MF…this was your response to Ron….let me ask you this…where did your ethics and moral standards come from without the religious foundation on which it was built from ancient cultures? Please provide historical proof.”

    HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE NAME OF IMMANUEL KANT?

    “IMMANUEL KANT ARGUED THAT FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPTS OF THE HUMAN MIND STRUCTURE HUMAN EXPERIENCE,…

    THAT REASON IS THE SOURCE OF MORALITY,…

    THAT AESTHETICS ARISES FROM A FACULTY OF DISINTERESTED JUDGMENT, THAT SPACE AND TIME ARE FORMS OF OUR SENSIBILITY, AND THAT THE WORLD AS IT IS “IN-ITSELF” IS UNKNOWABLE.”

    LINK

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant

    “Do you think just out of the blue morality without religion descended on the founders of atheism?”

    I ALREADY ANSWERED YOU CHRISTIAN MORON.

    “True to form, as we all know, atheism has never provided any good thing to humanity…all it does is take away…Why don’t you look at all the countries where belief in God was removed and see what happened to it.”

    YOUR JESUS CHRIST ONLY PROVIDED BLOOD AND GORE.

    YOUR JESUS CHRIST ONLY MURDERED MILLIONS OF PAGANS WHO HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO YOUR JESUS CHRIST.

    “Do you think you are superior because you find God irrelevant, and that religion is for the weak…well if that be the case you are more deluded than I thought.”

    THAT’S ONE’S PERSONAL CHOICE.

    YOU — A CHRISTIAN LIAR — HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE WHAT ONE MAY FIND RELEVANT OR IRRELEVANT.

    “Hi Richard…nice input there- did not hear about that before…if it is no one then Jesus lied when he said that hell was created for the devil and his angels….Matt. 25:41..
    However if the ascetic was referring to human beings, then it is possible that no one needs to go there if they choose the way of escape- that is Jesus.”

    STOP LYING.

    YOUR JESUS CHRIST WAS A SON OF A WHORE.

    A SON OF A WHORE DIED ON THE GIBBET FOR REBELLING AGAINST THE AUTHORITY.

    THAT’S YOUR ACTUAL BLOODY CHRISTIAN HISTORY.

    “But this is also a fallacy as we do know already that Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Christ will go to hell, based on his own choosing and actions..(the words of Jesus concerning Judas: it would have been better if he were not born!)”

    WHAT YOU WRITE IS LIES AND LIES AND LIES.

    BECAUSE, AS A CHRISTIAN LIAR YOU HAVE TO LIE MORE AND MORE AGAIN AND AGAIN TO COVER UP YOUR PAST LIES.

    “Yes God is loving and He desires that all be saved and go to heaven, but it is dependent of a man freely choosing to go to heaven.”

    OH YEAH, YOUR GOD IS SO LOVING THAT YOUR GOD MURDERED MILLIONS OF PAGANS THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES.

    “Unless you repent you will die in your sins, said Jesus and we look at Rev. 21.8..the destiny of all sinners.”

    YOU CHRISTIANS ARE BORN-LIARS, WHICH IN TURN INDEED MAKE ALL CHRISTIANS SINNERS, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

    SO, DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO.

    BUT, STOP DICTATING WHAT NON-CHRISTIANS MUST DO OR NOT DO.

  11. stanley says:

    The establishment of the Nation of Israel in 1948:
    The prophetic ramifications and a challenge to every atheist, agnostic, anti-Semite, Muslim and anyone who discounts the Bible as The Word of God;

    Over 2600 years ago there lived a prophet to whom God revealed that the dispersed nation of Israel will once again resettle in their homeland after centuries of diaspora and exile.

    By Grant Jeffrey:
    Ezekiel’s Vision of the Rebirth of Israel in 1948 Ezekiel’s prophecy of the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and its precise fulfillment in our generation on May 15, 1948 is one of the greatest fulfillments of Bible prophecy in history. Twenty-five centuries ago, while he was a slave during the Babylonian Captivity,
    (606 – 536 BC), the Lord revealed to the prophet Ezekiel, the precise year – 1948 – when Israel would
    finally be restored to the Promised Land.. The Jew’s eternal relationship to the Holy Land is a major
    theme of Bible prophecy. In the Bible, times were specified in precise detail regarding the duration of the
    time when the Jews were to be exiled from the Promised Land and when God will allow them to return to the Holy Land.

    The First Captivity – (Egyptian) – 430 years
    The Lord prophesied to Abraham precisely when the Jews would return from Egypt from their
    First Captivity that lasted 430 years of captivity in Egypt (Genesis 1513 / Exodus 12.40-41)
    The Second Captivity (Babylonian) – 70 years
    Similarly, the Second Captivity of 70 years in Babylon, as prophesied in Jeremiah 25:11,
    ended precisely in 536 BC when the Jews returned to Jerusalem as decreed by the Persian king Cyrus the Great
    The Third Captivity (Worldwide) – 2520 years
    The Scriptures contain numerous prophecies about the final return of the Jewish exiles to their Promised Land in the “last days.” Ezekiel was taken to Babylon as a captive. Ezekiel was aware of Jeremiah’s prophecy (Jeremiah 25:11) that the Jew’s captivity in Babylon would last seventy years.
    However, Ezekiel received another prophecy concerning God’s judgment upon the Jew’s disobedience and the precise duration of the remaining Jewish exile from their Promised Land. “This shall be a sign to the house of Israel.
    Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou
    shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty
    days: I have appointed thee each day for a year” (Ezekiel 4:3-6).
    As Ezekiel lay on his right side for a few hours for 390 days and then for 40 days on his right side the Jews in Babylon learned of God’s remarkable prophecy.
    God revealed that every day stood for one biblical year. Therefore, Israel would be punished for a period of 390 years plus an additional 40 years as a result of their disobedience to God’s commands, totaling 430 years. God declared that Israel would be
    punished by a worldwide exile for 430 years (390 + 40 years = 430 years). However, as prophesied byJeremiah, the seventy year long Babylonian Captivity, which began with Nebuchadnezzar’s capture of Jerusalem in 606 B.C., ended in the spring of 536 B.C., in the month Nisan (March/April), when only a small remnant of the Jews (42,360) returned to Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-3) under the decree of Cyrus the Great. However, the vast majority of the Jewish exiles chose to remain in the pagan Persian Empire as
    colonists and tradesmen. Naturally, most Jews who were born and had grown up in Babylon had little desire to leave their farms and businesses to return to a desolate Jewish homeland. Most Jews in Babylon did not repent of their rebellion against God and chose to remain in the pagan Babylonian Empire.

    Out of God’s total decreed future punishment of
    430 years for Israel’s and Judah’s sins (390 years plus 40 years = 430 years). First, we must deduct the 70 years of the Babylonian
    captivity, which Ezekiel
    and the Jewish exiles were already enduring, which ended in the spring of 536 B.C. Therefore: (430 years minus the 70 years in Babylon = 360 years). This indicates that
    a further period of 360 years of additional
    exile remained for the Jews following the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 B.C.
    Ezekiel’s Prophecy of the End of Israel’s Exile
    However, a careful study of the history of Israel cannot reveal any significant event that
    corresponds to this period of 360 years of additional punishment, either at the end of the 430 years or at the end of the 360 years beginning from the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 BC. The majority (95%) of the Jews never returned from Babylon to Israel. In fact, even the minority of the 42,360 Jews (Ezra 2:64) who did return did so with very little faith or true repentance. Most of the Jewish exiles failed to repent of their spiritual rebellion against God and they chose to remain in pagan Babylon. Ezekiel’s unusual prophecy revealed the precise duration of the Jewish exiles worldwide Diaspora
    and the actual time of their prophesied return to the Promised Land in May 15, 1948. The solution to this prophetic mystery was found in a divine principle revealed to Moses and recorded in Leviticus 26. In this chapter the Lord established definite promises and punishments for Israel based on Israel’s subsequent obedience or disobedience to His Divine commands. Infour separate but repeated passages recorded in
    Leviticus 26, God warned Israel that: if, after being punished for her sins, she still failed to repent of her rebellion, the punishments previouslydeclared by God would be multiplied seven times more (the number of divine completion).
    Moses declared God’s Divine principle of judgment ifthe Jews would not repent from their sinful rebellion against God after already experiencing His Divine punishment: “And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more
    for your sins” (Leviticus 26:18; 26:21, 23-24, 27-28).
    In other words, if Israel did not repent of her sins after enduring God’s initial prophesied
    punishment; the punishments previously predicted would now be prolonged or multiplied seven times: The biblical record reveals that, tragically, even the 5 percent
    of the Jewish exiles who returned to Israel did not truly repent of their rebellion.
    Therefore, according to the Divine principle of multiplying the previous Divinely declared
    punishment by seven times due to the Jew’s lack of repentance, God’s previously prophesied exile of 360 additional years to the unrepentant Jewish exiles,as recorded by Ezekiel, would now be multiplied seven times more (Ezekiel 4:4-6; Lev. 26:18).
    360 years of Exile x 7 = 2,520 biblical years of additional Exile for the Jews

    The Biblical-Prophetic Year of 360 Days
    The length of a biblical – prophetic year is 360 days: not the 365.25 days of our modern Julian calendar solar year. In ancient biblical times, the Jewish year was a lunar-solar year, with 12 months of 30 days each, which contained only 360 days. The modern
    solar-calendar year contains 365.25 days. An article on Chronology in the
    Encyclopedia Britannica, states that Abraham continued to use the 360-day year of his
    Babylonian homeland when he migrated to Canaan.
    The Genesis account of Noah’s flood confirmed that the ancient peoples of the Middle East, including the Hebrews, used a lunar-solar year of only 360 days with 12 months of 30 days each. Genesis recorded that the five months from the beginning of the Flood on the 17th day ofthe second month till the day the Ark rested on dry land, on the 17th day of the seventh month, lasted precisely 150 days. The five months (30 days each) while the flood waters prevailed confirmed that the Bible used a 12 month year of 360 days. (Genesis 7:11; 8:3-4).
    Sir Isaac Newton confirmed that the ancient biblical year of the Hebrews, Babylonians, and Egyptians had only 360 days. Newton wrote in the Encyclopaedia Britannica
    (6th ed) that “all nations, before the just length of the solar year was known, … in making calendars for their festivals, they reckoned thirty days to a lunar month, and twelve lunar months to a year, taking the nearest round numbers, whence came the division of the ecliptic into 360 degrees.”

    To understand the precise fulfillment of prophecy, we need to calculate using the biblical lunar year of 360 days. For example, in the book of Revelation John described the last three-and-one-half years of the seven year Tribulation period when the Antichrist will
    persecute the “woman” (Israel) as lasting precisely 1,260 days (Rev. 12:6). John also described this period as: “a time and times and half a time” (Rev. 12:14). A “time” equals a year of 360 days; “times” equals two years; and “half a time” equals half a year Similarly, “forty-two months” of 30 days each equals the same1260 days (Rev. 13:5).

    The book of Revelation and Daniel’s prophecies (Dan. 7:25; 9:24-27; 12:7; 12:11) both confirm that the biblical year contained 360 days. Therefore, Ezekiel’s prophecy revealed that the Jew’s final restoration to their Promised Land would occur precisely 2,520 biblical years (of 360 days each) after the end of the Babylonian Captivity in the
    spring of 536 B.C. The end of the captivity in Babylon, according to the Bible and other historical sources – including Flavius Josephus, occurred in the month of Nisan in the spring of 536 B.C. This date is the starting point for our calculations: 2,520 biblical years x 360 = 907,200 days. Converting this period of 907,200 days into our calendar year of 365.25 days: we divide the 907,200 days by 365.25 days and we calculate a total of 2,483.8 calendar or solar years. In these prophetic calculations we must keep in mind that there was only one year between Passover in 1 B.C. and the next Passover
    in A.D. l.
    Remember: There is NO Year Zero B.C. Therefore, Ezekiel prophesied that the end of Israel’s worldwide captivity would occur after a period of 2,483.8 calendar years had elapsed following the beginning of the prophesied period of the Jewish exile in the Spring of 536 B.C.

    End of Babylonian Captivity: 536BC
    Plus Israel’s Exile 2520 = 2483.8 Calendar years
    _____________________________________
    End of the 3rd World Captivity: May 15, 1948
    Therefore 2483.8 – 536.4 = 1947.40
    _____________________________________
    1947.40
    as there is no year 0 between 1BC and 1AD, 1 year must be added
    Therefore 1947.40 + 1 = 1948.40
    Israel proclaimed as a nation on May 15, 1948.

    Only God knows the end at the beginning!

  12. stanley says:

    You believe that one cannot be Moral without religion i believe that i am living proof that you are wrong as i live a just and moral life without religion.

    So Mr MF..this was your response to Ron….let me ask you this…where did your ethics and moral standards come from without the religious foundation on which it was built from ancient cultures? Please provide historical proof.
    Do you think just out of the blue morality without religion descended on the founders of atheism?
    True to form, as we all know, atheism has never provided any good thing to humanity…all it does is take away…Why don’t you look at all the countries where belief in God was removed and see what happened to it.

    Do you think you are superior because you find God irrelevant, and that religion is for the weak….well if that be the case you are more deluded than I thought.

  13. stanley says:

    Hi Richard…nice input there- did not hear about that before….if it is no one then Jesus lied when he said that hell was created for the devil and his angels….Matt. 25:41..
    However if the ascetic was referring to human beings, then it is possible that no one needs to go there if they choose the way of escape- that is Jesus.
    But this is also a fallacy as we do know already that Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Christ will go to hell, based on his own choosing and actions..(the words of Jesus concerning Judas: it would have been better if he were not born!)
    Yes God is loving and He desires that all be saved and go to heaven, but it is dependent of a man freely choosing to go to heaven.
    Unless you repent you will die in your sins, said Jesus and we look at Rev. 21.8..the destiny of all sinners.
    Bible does declare that: It is appointed unto man once to dies, after that the judgement

  14. Richard says:

    @madfijian

    Whatever issues you have between science and Christianity you can probably find the answer here

    http://www.starcourse.org/jcp/qanda.html

    As far as the original question (who will go to hell?) goes – well there are a variety of opinions in Christianity about this one – but for me the most compelling are those of St Isaac the Syrian – whose answer is best summarized as “in the end no-one”. His reasoning, flowing from his experience as an ascetic of the love of God is based on the impossibility of a good creator creating a creature that He foreknew would end up in Hell.

    To quote
    “‘I am of the opinion that He is going to manifest some wonderful outcome, a matter of immense and ineffable compassion on the part of the glorious Creator, with respect to the ordering of this difficult matter of Gehenna’s torment: out of it the wealth of His love and power and wisdom will become known all the more and so will the insistent light of the waves of His goodness. It is not the way of the compassionate Maker to create rational beings in order to deliver them over mercilessly to unending affliction in punishment for things of which He knew even before they were fashioned, aware how they would turn out when He created them and whom nonetheless He created. ”

    from http://www.wacom2017.org/sites/wacom2017.org/IMG/pdf/Bishop_Hilarion_Alfeyev.pdf

  15. stanley says:

    Mr Mad, it is no problem with me that the earth is older….the God that I worship is eternal and if He created the universe 6000 or 4 billion years ago, that is fine with me… at least I believe that there is a Creator, and it is Him that I worship, not earth or any created thing. So you can take the prize for that.
    All it means is that the Creator exists outside of time, and being the Lord of all things He has the judicial right to govern this universe.
    You deny His existence on the basis of evil happening in this world or on Biblical events that you do not understand…that is as stupid as seeing a BMW crashed in a car accident and then contacting the manufacturers to complain of how can they make such a damaged product! That is not how it was made in the factory shop originally.
    In the same way God made everything beautiful in it’s original condition- it is man’s disobedience and sin that resulted in chaos.
    Jesus came to redeem sinful man from sin….
    So if you claim that you are not a sinner, no religious work will mean anything to you anyway….

  16. madfijian says:

    Great Ron. You would rather believe the findings of a obviously biased Christian apologists website than that of the United States Geology department. Good on you i simply cannot argue with you on that. No matter how much evidence is presented to you it is not going to change your mind I give you this the similarities between Osiris and the story of Jesus while closely related does have differences. Despite this does it ever occur to you that throughout history the story of Jesus rings similar to so many Myths and Legends. From Krishna to Hercules.
    While they may not be be 100% similar does it not occur to you that the human beings who wrote the bible simply copied bits from all the cultures they knew and wrote the book which has so many scientific errors including the sun orbiting the earth the world being the Middle East only etc etc.

    Look i am tired of arguing about these things from a logical platform. You believe in talking snakes, men walking on water,water to wine, a massive flood (no archeological evidence by the way). You believe that we all came from the loins of 2 people Adam and Eve when we are all genetically different. You also believe that your wife is really your sister since we are all children of Adam and Eve in other words we are all in incestuous relationships. You also believe that gays should be killed just as the bible says and yet you preach love. You also believe that women should never talk in Church and the men is the head of the house. You believe that a Hindu born in India not of his choice or a Muslim born in Saudi Arabia not of his her choice will roast in hell forever because he has never heard of Jesus in the first place let alone accepted the guy. You believe in slavery because the bible allows it. You follow a hate filled ignorant Bronze aged book written by monsters. i believe in humanity reason and love without the caveat of faith or religion. You believe that one cannot be Moral without religion i believe that i am living proof that you are wrong as i live a just and moral life without religion. We are like the North and South pole Ron.

    We will never see eye to eye.

    Lets leave it at that.

  17. Ron says:

    The Bible does NOT say that the earth is 6000 years old!!!

    It traces the history of the origin of man since his fall (due to sin);

    The oldest complete homo sapien skeleton ever found is dated to be 12000 years old and this is in agreement with the Bible scholars views that man has NOT been millions of years on the planet but may be a few thousands of years.

    The best laboratories in the world, using the best equipment under the cleanest conditions over the last three decades, have been routinely finding measurable radiocarbon in coal, oil, natural gas, limestone, fossil bones, fossil shells, and even diamonds! If these were all millions of years old, then there should be no radiocarbon left in them. The fact is that all these materials yield radiocarbon dates of only thousands of years. And all of this is documented in scientific literature, such as in the journal Radiocarbon. So there is a great amount of evidence that the Bible is right after all about the earth’s age.

    https://answersingenesis.org/geology/radiometric-dating/radiometric-dating-and-proof/

  18. madfijian says:

    Stanley. I really did not wish to continue with this irrational discussion with you.I will for the sake of reason at least make an attempt to show you that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. The technology is called Radiometric dating. And this is from the the USGS website. USGS is one of the worlds leading geological authorities. I quote”
    The oldest rocks on Earth, found in western Greenland, have been dated by four independent radiometric dating methods at 3.7-3.8 billion years. Rocks 3.4-3.6 billion years in age have been found in southern Africa, western Australia, and the Great Lakes region of North America. These oldest rocks are metamorphic rocks but they originated as lava flows and sedimentary rocks. The debris from which the sedimentary rocks formed must have come from even older crustal rocks. The oldest dated minerals (4.0-4.2 billion years) are tiny zircon crystals found in sedimentary rocks in western Australia.

    The oldest Moon rocks are from the lunar highlands and were formed when the early lunar crust was partially or entirely molten. These rocks, of which only a few were returned by the Apollo missions, have been dated by two methods at between 4.4-4.5 billion years in age.
    The majority of the 70 well-dated meteorites have ages of 4.4-4.6 billion years. These meteorites, which are fragments of asteroids and represent some of the most primitive material in the solar system, have been dated by 5 independent radiometric dating methods.
    The “best” age for the Earth is based on the time required for the lead isotopes in four very old lead ores (galena) to have evolved from the composition of lead at the time the Solar System formed, as recorded in the Canyon Diablo iron meteorite. This “model lead age” is 4.54 billion years.
    The evidence for the antiquity of the Earth and Solar System is consistent with evidence for an even greater age for the Universe and Milky Way Galaxy. a) The age of the Universe can be estimated from the velocity and distance of galaxies as the universe expands. The estimates range from 7 to 20 billion years, depending on whether the expansion is constant or is slowing due to gravitational attraction. b) The age of the Galaxy is estimated to be 14-18 billion years from the rate of evolution of stars in globular clusters, which are thought to be the oldest stars in the Galaxy. The age of the elements in the Galaxy, based on the production ratios of osmium isotopes in supernovae and the change in that ratio over time due to radioactive decay, is 8.6-15.7 billion years. Theoretical considerations indicate that the Galaxy formed within a billion years of the beginning of the Universe. c) Combining the data from a) and b), the “best, i.e., most consistent, age of the universe is estimated to be around 14 billion years. For more current information on the age of the universe, visit NASA’s Planck Mission studies. ”

    Aside from a handful of young earth lunatic scientists the rest of the science community and i mean the rest of the science community accept this evidence and the science behind it.

    I have always found it strange that most religious people will go to the doctor when they are sick and take modern medicine which is basically invented by science, they are happy to know that Antibiotics that was discovered by science will kill the bug in them. They are happy to conclude that the moon is not made out cheese as it was believed by some cultures but of rock because science enabled us to see it and also to make it to its surface and yet when science is used to refute faith based beliefs that simply makes no sense in the 21st century and show you the evidence using science you reject it simply because it challenges your long held feel good beliefs. Their is a word for this its called hypocrisy.

  19. Ron says:

    Madfijian
    You are reading from the same page as Christianity-haters read and so not fact-check that Osiris had a father, mother, wife, siblings, kids all supposed to be gods. This does not look even look remotely as a semblance of a story about Jesus.
    When you accept Jesus you will even be able to FORGIVE your brother for anything he might have done.
    Without Jesus you CANNOT have genuine compassion. Without Jesus you CANNOT have real forgiveness.

  20. Ron says:

    This is the testimony of a RSS leader, Chief priest of Hindu Temple, Double Doctorate and Double Gold medallist in Sanskrit and Hindu Scriptures from Benares Hindu University who converted to Christianity when he had a dramatic encounter with Jesus.
    Only Christ can change you for the good, no matter what situation you are in, no matter what prejudice and hate you may have built up in you.
    Politicians across the world are 99% atheists and only use religion, hatred and nationalism as a tool to garner votes. People who buy into their indoctrination and become hateful are used by them.
    Hear why and how this very highly educated, Hindu priest converted

  21. Face_The_Truth says:

    Every literate Christian should read the following books in order to understand Christianity very properly in historical contexts.

    =====================================================================

    William Benjamin Smith, “Ecce Deus: Studies of Primitive Christianity”, London, 1912

    l. Gordon Rylands, “Did Jesus Ever Live?”, Watts & Co., London, 1929

    Will Durant, “The Story of Civilization, Part III, Caesar and Christ”, Fourth Printing, New York, 1944

    Paul Johnson, “A History of Christianity”, Penguin Books, London, 1978

    Michael Arnhem, “Is Christianity True?”, London, 1984

    Ian Wilson, “Jesus: The Evidence”, Pan Books, 1985

    George Albert Wells, “Did Jesus Exist?”, Second Edition, London, 1986

    =====================================================================

    LINK

    http://www.drabruzzi.com/ZINDLER-JESUS.PDF

    LINK

    https://orphicplatonism.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/jesus-christ-an-artifice-for-aggression-by-sita-ram-goel.pdf

  22. stanley says:

    The founder of this site, Ali Sina was once an avowed atheist, you should take time to read his articles as to why he became a believer in God.

  23. stanley says:

    Another former atheist, now a Christian

    Alister McGrath
    (Photo: Mark Rushton, Keswick Ministries)
    Alister McGrath.

    Today he’s one of Christianity’s fiercest and most respected defenders, but Alister McGrath had to undergo a Pauline conversion before he got there. Growing up in Northern Ireland in the 1960s, McGrath writes that he “came to the view that God was an infantile illusion, suitable for the elderly, the intellectually feeble, and the fraudulently religious… It was the received wisdom of the day that religion was on its way out, and that a glorious, godless dawn was just around the corner.” As a young intellectual with an aptitude for science and specialisms in quantum theory and then biology, McGrath’s rationalist worldview had little patience for theories of blind faith.

    However, his deep engagement with science was – perhaps counter-intuitively – the very thing that unsettled his unbelief. He writes: “Atheism, I began to realize, rested on a less-than-satisfactory evidential basis. The arguments that had once seemed bold, decisive, and conclusive increasingly turned out to be circular, tentative, and uncertain.” He became a Christian, and continued his enthusiastic pursuit of science, realising that his growing interest in theology was not in conflict with it; rather the two disciplines illuminated each other. Having at first been a fan of Richard Dawkins’ scientific writing (if not his arguments for atheism), he has since become one of his most enduring opponents, both in print (he’s the author of The Dawkins Delusion) and in public debate.

    What’s perhaps most interesting about all of these stories is the diversity among them. One might imagine that famous intellectuals tend to arrive at a conclusion of Christian belief by means of rational argument, yet that’s by no means the only reason given. Conviction of sin, the observation of transformation, and the sense that God was simply pursuing them all contributed to these widely-varying testimonies. McGrath realised the rational argument for God was stronger than that against him, but Wilson based his decision mainly on what he saw in the behaviour of Christians.

    Surely this contains one of the strongest rationales for faith. Belief in God isn’t blindly based on acceptance of the Bible as truth, or simply because the argument makes sense, but because when we begin to truly look for him, we begin to find him everywhere. In nature, in science, in supernatural experience, and perhaps most compellingly of all in the transformed lives of the people who have already believed in him. The journeys of these five men are not unusual. They are simply five high-profile examples of what can happen when closed minds open to the possibility that they might just be wrong.

  24. stanley says:

    Where are your facts about the Osiris story older than the Bible account? I traced the chronology of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ to 6000 years ago…please provide proof that your legends is older than 6000 years…Put Up or Shut up.
    Don’t mishmash your comments …one issue at a time.
    The Bible does not say that the universe is 6000 years old…. all it does say that in the beginning God created
    It may be 6000, or more than 6000

    In any case where is your scientific proof that the earth is 4.5 billion years old? Oh Yes I forgot, first the scientists stated it was 13 billion, then 10 billion then 7.5, then 6, then 4.5…. so much for your science!

    It’s a pity that atheist’s god is science…. you want to remove God from the universe, so where did the universe come from… by chance? from nothing, by nothing produced everything?

    Atheist who became a Deist: Anthony Flew

    His name may not be familiar, but Flew was one of the most significant atheist thinkers of the pre-Dawkins era. He was a prominent critic of religion, suggesting that atheism should be the default position until evidence for God could be produced; that the burden of proof should be on the faiths, not on the faithless. He carried these beliefs late into life, even signing 2003’s Third Humanist Manifesto. However, just a year later, he announced that he had dramatically changed his philosophical allegiance.

    Flew hadn’t converted to the Christian faith, but he had embraced deism – the belief in God. So convinced was he, that in 2007 he published his final book, There is a God: How the world’s most notorious atheist changed his mind. It has been discredited by atheists ever since who claim that Flew’s change of position was due to his declining mental health, and that the book was mainly the work of his co-writer. However, before his death in 2010, Flew lucidly and specifically addressed this in one of his final articles, itself a rebuttal of Dawkin’s references to him in The God Delusion.

  25. madfijian says:

    Stanley this is a quote from Kurt Wise a Harvard educated PhD level Geologist .”Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate.”
    This is the very definition of dumb. Which you clearly are. You have answered none of my arguments with any logic what ever. Osiris was a Egyptian God King. His story matches that of the Jesus legend almost word for word. Their are many many more Myths that predate Christianity and match the story of Jesus almost to the TEE. Of course you will not research it because you are closed minded and are afraid that if you do the research you wont like what you read because it will challenge your beliefs. As a classic example of your obtuse brain i highlighted the lack of Morality in Fiji despite the obvious presence of religion and more so Christianity in Fiji. What do you do, you ask me what has Fiji contributed to the world. A question so out of context that a 5th grader will not ask. What has morality got to do with contribution to the world.
    For your information though Fiji has a population of only 900,000. It is a developing nation with about 50 years of civilized post independent history from Britain. What i can say is that Fiji fought gallantly against the Japanese in the second world war and 2 of its soldiers were awarded the Victoria Cross for bravery. Fiji is also a global leader in peace keeping duties all over the world for the UN. We contribute to peace not war.
    Of course you wont know these things as facts and logic is beyond folks like you.
    We are also the regions foremost voice against global pollution and climate change pushing the world to change its policy on carbon emissions. Of course you don’t believe in climate change because Jesus will save the planet right. Meanwhile in countries like ours the shore line is disappearing and people are being displaced.

    Go on live with your head in the sand with your imaginary God of whom you have zero evidence. I simply cannot waste my time trying to reason logically with someone who believes in miracles,virgin births talking snakes and incest (HOW ELSE WOULD ADAM AND EVE POPULATE THE EARTH) . It simply does not go together. Adios Bro.

  26. stanley says:

    So you think being a Christian means weakness, sorry to disappoint but meekness is not weakness friend….the tripe you are dishing has been regurgitated for centuries against Christianity, without success in the least….
    The godfather of atheism, Voltaire once remarked that in a 100 hears Christianity would not exist, and that the Bible would be in a museum…. well guess what, little fly…100 years later his home was used as a publishing house for Bibles…
    And you think Christianity will be wiped out by 2050…you in a dream world that will turn to a nightmare friend…
    Hitler, Stalin and others may have been influenced by priests when they were young, but WHEN THEY BECAME ATHEISTS OR OCCULTISTS THAT IS WHEN THEY DID THOSE HORRIBLE THINGS…why do you ignore that fact…
    If you bring up your child in the right way, but the child chooses evil, is it your fault?

    As for your crap about Krishna, Isis etc…where do you think those legends came from? If you trace their chronology it is less than 4500 years ago….
    well this is what the Bible says 6000 years when man sinned concerning a redeemer/deliverer/messiah “” ..that THE SEED OF THE WOMAN will bruise the head of the serpent””..Genesis 3.15
    Where did ever hear of a seed of a woman, in any culture millennia ago? this was referring to the virgin birth, of whom God was the Father….not just as you assume a godly father, but God Almighty Himself.

    Knowing that Satan will always counterfeit the truth , he engineered those legends for the purpose of confusing and deceiving people( looks like he achieved that with you)

    This was speaking of Jesus and when you connect Isaiah 7.14, written around 700-750BC you clearly see that the only one who fulfilled this was the historical Jesus 2000 years ago.

    So who cares if you do not believe what the Bible says? We Christians know how to interpret the Scriptures and that is good enough for us.

    By the way, what is Fiji’s contribution to the world?

  27. madfijian says:

    Stanley. I thought you were a Christian Stanley and supposed to turn the other cheek when slapped on one. I guess not. I have read the Bible both the old and New Testament. If i start with all the horrors that the Bible not only proposes but actually promotes from slavery to the subjugation of women to the hatred of gays to the killing of apostates i could fill this entire page. Lets not forget all the illogical and totally unscientific statements that the Bible makes and the contradictions in each gospel. I guess you are one of those folks who actually believes that the earth despite all the mountains of evidence is not 4.5billion years old and but 6000 years old as per Genesis. It is rather hard to discuss things on a rational basis with someone who actually things that the Bible is complete in its understanding of Archeology and Science. In so far as Jesus is concerned i have argued much to the dismay of my Atheist friends that a men called Jesus may have existed. Son if God he most certainly wasn’t. He may have been a holy men a sage perhaps. He taught nothing new as most of his teachings were already part of the Buddhist belief system (500 BC) and some came from people like Plato and Socrates. Again i stress maybe. If you are so open minded how about looking up the story of the Egyptian God Osiris, or Mithra the story of Krishna even Hercules. Almost all these Myths share the same basic story line. Born of a Virgin to a Godly father and a earthly mother came to help mankind and than died violently to return to his father in heaven. I strongly suggest you look into these unless you are afraid you may find some facts that you wont like.

    Atheism has had the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Christian apologists quickly bring these shit heads onto the conversation to somehow justify their own violent slave owning murderous past. Again i will suggest that you really go an read the history of this people. You will find that they were not killing you for practicing religion for the sake of the religion but because they saw religion as an organized threat to their rule. They were also killing lawyers doctors and generally any body who thought freely. By the way Hitler was a baptized Catholic and Stalin was educated at a seminary school. Surprise Surprise. I wonder why Hitler got so screwed in the head. Perhaps a Catholic priest had his way with Hitler when the the murderer was a boy. Perhaps Stalin also had the same experience. After all that is what priests are famous for these days.

    Norway is the best country in the world to live in followed by Denmark, Switzerland,Australia. It is also one of the most secular countries in the world. Religion does not automatically make you moral. I live in Fiji. Between my home and the city that we are part of their is a distance of 7km. Their are 50 plus places of worship largely Christian followed by Muslim and Hindu holy sites. Fiji is one of the most religious countries in the world and yet here is a Goggle fact Fiji is ranked in the top 5 for the most searches for the word porn. Think about that 99% of this country is following some religion or other. 60% to 70% are Christians. For a country that has 900k people it is in the top 5.
    Moral my ass.

    Lets put it this way. We the secular folks are winning this battle. Any body who studies religion carefully will agree that its time is up as it is filled with pure BS. A recent pew research study shows that the number of “nones” in so far as religion is concerned is the fastest growing segment of US society. It appears that even the US is finally growing some grey matter.
    They are likely to surpass Christians by the year 2050. You are a dying breed fella. Enough said.

  28. stanley says:

    Who cares if you are have been insulted? You think the comments you make about Christians and the Bible or Jesus Christ are commendable in the first place…. this exactly shows how wicked your heart is…that the very thing you condemn others for, you are guilty of yourself!
    Nevertheless, let me ask you- What has atheism contributed to this world? Have atheism ever improved the morality of nations? You dimbwit..can you not see that 3500 years ago when Moses received the 10 commandments, that became the bedrock of man’s relationship with his Creator and with his fellow man!
    This is the foundation of democracy and morality.
    Look at every nation where atheism took control? first with a bullet and then holding the masses by coercion!
    And you still want to defend it?

    God calls every person that rejects Him wicked, because you have been blinded by your pride and your deception:
    If you had any sense of reason you would first read the Bible for yourself,from the beginning to the end without a prejudiced mind, and then question it.
    Archaeology, astronomy, medical science, history of nations, has confirmed the truths in the Bible and yet to you it you it is a fairy tale. Go on with your blindness
    Yes you are wicked when you call an historical figure like Jesus a fairy tale, when his birth, life, death and resurrection was foretold centuries before He was born!
    Don’t hide your sin under the cloak of atheism!
    Are you a sinner? If not, reject what I have written, if yes…what are going to do about it?
    Jesus said, I came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance,

  29. madfijian says:

    Stanley. I find your sentence “the bible says that the wicked will not understand” both condescending and insulting. You see this is the problem with you Bible freaks. You assume that because you have an unseen dude called Jesus by your side that you have a monopoly on being a good person. How dare you. You know nothing about me or the likes of anyone else on this site who disagrees with you and Ron. Their are millions of folks who do not follow the Christian BS who do countless millions of good things for humanity everyday. Of course so do Bible bashers. The difference though is that their reason for being kind and selfless is not the Bible but some other holy book or in an Atheists case just plain old reason and goodwill. This logic i know will again fly over your self riotous Christian heads.

  30. stanley says:

    Hi Brother Ron,…I think we are wasting our efforts on this blog, after all the Bible says that the wicked will not understand…if after all our comments, readers can still mock Jesus and Christianity then our work is done, let us proceed to others….wipe the dust off our feet and move on to the next person.
    God respects the wrong choices people make….. however when they wake up in hell it will be too late
    We are throwing pearls to swine….

  31. stanley says:

    Fine, so what is the purpose of your comments or anyone else?, I don’t believe you, neither do my friends’.
    So lets all stop commenting because no one believes the other. Thanks A.H. That was a really good discussion

  32. Ron says:

    Well some South Asians especially those who search for the truth have accepted Christ when they see the videos, hear it in their language.
    Many others check it up, do their due diligence or vetting through their sources and do come to faith if not soon later on.

    God Loves You!

    The Bible says, “God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life”

    The problem is that…

    All of us have done, said or thought things that are wrong. This is called sin, and our sins have separated us from God.

    The Bible says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” God is perfect and holy, and our sins separate us from God forever. The Bible says “The wages of sin is death.”

    The good news is that, about 2,000 years ago,

    God sent His only Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins.

    Jesus is the Son of God. He lived a sinless life and then died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins. “God demonstrates His own love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.”

    Jesus rose from the dead and now He lives in heaven with God His Father. He offers us the gift of eternal life — of living forever with Him in heaven if we accept Him as our Lord and Savior.

    Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by Me.”

    God reaches out in love to you and wants you to be His child. “As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe on His name.” You can choose to ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and come in to your life as your Lord and Savior.

    If you want to accept Christ as your Savior and turn from your sins, you can ask Him to be your Savior and Lord by praying a prayer like this:

    “Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always.”

  33. A.H. says:

    Dear Stan,

    Your friends MF and FtT do not believe in hell and not at all in the bible. Quoting the bible does not make sense. And posting ridiculous conversion videos makes it even worse.|

  34. stanley says:

    why, even before I made this comment they were upset, now they have a cause!
    How many times must I ask bloggers to stick to the question on this post: Who will go to hell?
    If you don’t believe there is a hell, you cannot answer that question.
    For those who do believe that there is a hell but do not know who goes there, here is an answer from the Bible:

    Revelation 21:8New International Version (NIV)

    8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

  35. A.H. says:

    @Ron,Stan

    Your latest comments will make your common friends MF and FtT really upset, you bunch of fundamentalists!

  36. stanley says:

    Hi Madfijian…have you read the Bible to arrive at your conclusions about its contents? If not you may start with Psalm 14.1…

  37. madfijian says:

    Ron . I get it that you want to have faith which simply means believing without knowing. I also get it that you are afraid of death and hang on to this idea that some dude who you call God or Jesus died for you when he never really died as he already knew he was going to rise up after 3 days (so technically no sacrifice as he never really died). I get all of these things. What i need to know how does an otherwise sound person of reasonable intellect believe in what is written in the Bible when 99% of all evidence points to the fact that the Bible is a work of pure horse manure written by bronze aged barbarians trying to explain the world they lived in with the limited understanding that they had of science. You post a lot of videos of so called conversions to Christianity by former Muslims,Hindus,and Atheist. Did you know that all the surveys show that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world via conversions and of course because of birth rates in the last 20 or so years which is now mercifully falling. I could give you links to hundreds of similar videos of people getting touched by Islam and converting. The point i am trying to make here is that no matter how many videos you show it still does not prove that your faith is the one true one. For every 100 Christian converts their are double Muslims converts. So your videos mean nothing. People have been flip flopping from faith to faith searching for peace or whatever the hell they are looking for millennia. In my opinion your all screwed in the head. At least the Hindus don’t go out tying to freaking convert people. I married a former Hindu whose parents are still practicing Hindus. They respect the fact that i am an Atheist. Despite the many obvious shortcoming in Hinduism they don’t try and evangelize any one unlike you Christians and the rag head Muslims.

    Theism in any form be it Islam, Judaism or Christianity has been the greatest fuck up in the history of this planet. No matter what you say the evidence (hard for theists to logically process) is against you and will always be. On a passing note i might add. 9 million children die every year of various causes. Mostly violently. Why does Jesus not intervene to save these kids if he is so loving and kind. Why does he answer prayers for some and not others? Why are you so bloody special Ron since he seems to answer your prayers?

  38. Ron says:

    Say this prayer ” Oh God who created me, come to me in dreams and visions and show the way, the truth and life and confirm the truth in other ways through friends and relatives telling me, without me asking for it and I will follow you”

    (Note that if you seek the truth in all sincerity, you will find that Christ is way, the truth and life and that there is no other way.)

    Watch this Dr Murlidhar a renowned Hindu Doctor finds the truth in Jesus.

    Dr. K. Muralidhar – An Orthodox Hindu Brahmin found “THE TRUTH”

  39. Ron says:

    Dear Truth Seeker,
    Gulshan Esther was a Muslim who had evidently an instant supernatural healing, also she has a lot of miraculous encounters mentioned in her book “The Torn Veil”. You will never feel like putting the book down.

    What makes Christ different from others who walked on this earth is that Christ never sinned, never gave life to the dead, healed the crippled, lame, blind, deaf, sick then and He even does it now through the Holy Spirit.

    Many present day Gangsters, criminals and hard-core anti-Christians who persecuted Christians have changed whether they were atheists, Muslims, Hindu, Buddhists, other pagans, animists etc.

    Only if you have Christ in you then you will feel utmost and untold compassion and generosity for the needy, sick, dying. You will NOT discriminate and will love your people whether they are Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jews, Sikhs, Bahai, Atheists, pagans etc.

    One such story is how a committed communist, Maoist named Duch who was among the top 4 in Pol Pots reign of terror and killed so many people came to Christ.

    http://blog.godreports.com/2014/08/he-survived-killing-fields-led-pol-pots-murderous-general-to-christ/

    Many people see Heaven and /or Hell in NDE but the point to be noted is that they see Jesus in Heaven, They do see other fallen men, women, false gods or demons in Hell.

  40. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for screen-name Truth_Seeker:
    [“No One Has Seen God so Far. God’s Existence has to be Realized by Miracles. For Example with so much of Developments and So Many Inventions, No Human could give Life to Any Dead Person. If Anyone did/does it He is God. Is there any Case? Yes there are, but Not Many.”]

    You cannot see electricity; you can realize the presence of electricity in various means.

    “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) explains that when your mind is totally absorbed in God, you will see God in everything — in both living and non-living matters.

    Near-death experiences are subjective in their nature.

    Furthermore, famous Dr. Sigismund Schlomo Freud’s psychoanalyses tell us that we dream things that we can think of.

    For example, I have seen mountains and I have seen gold and I have seen rats; so, in my dreams I may see golden mountains from where rats are pouring out.

    For another example, fundamentalist Muslim Sûfî named Khwãjã Moinuddin Chishti Gharib Nawãz claimed to have said his followers that Islam’s founder Muhammad ibn Abd’Allãh appeared before him in flesh — many centuries after Islãm’s founder’s actual death and burial — and told Khwãjã Moinuddin Chishti Gharib Nawãz to marry for the second time!

    So, when you talk about near death experiences, you must be very careful about subjective inspirations and subjective interpretations!

    If I constantly recite “Hare Krishna” day and night throughout my life, I will certainly see or experience Bhagwan Shri Krishna in my death-bed.

    Christians constantly cite the name and appearance of a dead Jew on the Cross; so, Christians cannot see and cannot say anything other than the bloody dead Jew on the Gibbet as their “Savior From Hell” everywhere Christians go.

    As for “No Human could give Life to Any Dead Person” is very properly explained in “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma), which says that life comes from God and without God there is no life.

    In Sanskrit “Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma” means, everything in this universe both detectable and undetectable, both knowable and un-knowable, both pleasant and un-pleasant, both figurative and non-figurative are due to the existence of God.

    As for your “Is there any Case?”, of course there are so many cases we can cite everyday where old people who were dying at 70 are now living beyond 90 years of age due to the development of open-heart surgeries!

    Then, should you call those mortal human physicians “Gods”?

    I would not consider any mortal human being God, even if I verbally say so to show my sincere admiration for a particular human being.

    So, you have to be very careful again because of Sthana, Kala, and Patra (i.e., place, time, and person).

    During medieval age, millions of Indians died from Malaria (i.e., a mosquito-borne disease); but, once a British Christian medical doctor Sir Ronald Ross — the first British Christian Nobel laureate, by the way — figured out that malaria was transmitted by mosquitoes, many Indians were benefited by this British Christian medical doctor.

    I personally live exclusively on Homeopathy for almost my entire life and Homeopathy was invented by a German Christian physician named Christian Friedrich Samuel Hahnemann, M.D.

    I profoundly admire British Christian Homeopath John Henry Clarke, M.D., for saving my life from toxic allopathy medicine (i.e., conventional, drug-based medical practice).

    So, you always have to use your moral conscience and moral judgment of Sthana, Kala, and Patra (i.e., place, time, and person) everywhere you go, everything you do, and everywhere you live.

    That’s for now.

  41. While there are people who saw Jesus in Near-Death Experience, there are also people who did not see Jesus, and people who saw Hindu Gods like Yama. http://www.near-death.com/religion/hinduism.html

  42. Truth Seeker says:

    Face_The_Truth: No One Has Seen God so Far. God’s Existence has to be Realized by Miracles. For Example with so much of Developments and So Many Inventions, No Human could give Life to Any Dead Person. If Anyone did/does it He is God. Is there any Case? Yes there are, but Not Many.
    Gulshan Esther in her Testimony says, her sister Anis, died of Illness was given back the life after 13 Hours of Death, when the Dead Body was about to be Taken for Burial.
    For more information Lgin to

  43. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_The_Christian:

    Get your Christianity out of India and go preach your Jesus Christ in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

    After all, Christians like yourself created “Pakistan” by collaborating with Indian Muslims in 1947 A.D. by murdering millions of Indian “Hindus”.

    Unfortunately, today most Indian “Hindus” do not know the true histories of Christianity and Islam and most “Hindus” ignorantly believe that Muslims and Christians believe in the same God as “Hindus” do.

    Lack of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and Islam cost Indian “Hindus” a lot in the past; but, it doesn’t have to be that way now.

    Go preach your Jesus Christ in the Islamic Republic of Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    World’s Muslims will **** Christians like you very well.

  44. Ron says:

    Slavery was practised all over the world at some point in host

    When barter system was in vogue in ancient societies all over the world it was not uncommon for people to commit or bond themselves for work in agrarian or trade smith work in exchange for boarding with or without lodging for themselves and their families.

    So the land owners became owners of bonded labourers also called as slaves. This feudal system continued even with the advent of currency in the form of royal inscribed monetary units and gold.

    Every culture in every part of the world had some of these versions of this feudal system. Some extreme and others bearable. No country was exempt.

    Here in US before the White settlers landed the Native Indians like the Comanche, Apache, Cherokee, Dakota, Chippewa, Iroquois, Ottawa, Chickasaw, Cheyenne, Mohawk, Navajo, Cree and the Sioux all enslaved other tribes and/or took their land. They enslaved the vanquished.

    But what makes Hinduism and Manu Smriti different is that here the ENSLAVED people of their religion, own race, all in the name of religion.
    http://www.globalslaveryindex.org/findings/

    In 2016, we estimate that 45.8 million people are in some form of modern slavery in 167 countries.

    The Country with the highest number of slaves is INDIA.

    Those countries with the highest absolute numbers of people in modern slavery are India, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Uzbekistan. Several of these countries provide the low-cost labour that produces consumer goods for markets in Western Europe, Japan, North America and Australia.
    18.35 MILLION people are under slavery in India

    51 out of every 100 is vulnerable to modern slavery in India.
    http://www.globalslaveryindex.org/country/india/

    44% increase in violence against Dalits (the lowest caste)

    http://indianexpress.com/article/blogs/dalit-violence-gujarat-gau-rakshaks-2930876/

    Denying crime and statistics is a form of abetting crime. Knowingly or unknowingly due to indoctrination of hate you are staining your hands with blood of innocents.

    Remember we are all made in the image of God and Jesus said to love your neighbour as you love yourself. Further Jesus explained that neighbour is anyone who is need irrespective whether he is of your country or religion or race or rank.

    We have to love Dalits, Hindus, Muslims, Christian, Buddhists, Atheists and bring them to the love and saving grace of Christ.

    You will never feel compassion or genuine love for anyone if you do not have Christ in you.

  45. Face_The_Truth says:

    [Mad_Fijian said:

    A Group of Hindus trying to prove that their faith is better than the dumb Christians and Muslims. Cant you guys see the fallacy in all this. This is exactly what the likes of ISIS do. They sincerely believe that their faith and their child molesting so called prophet is better than everybody else’s faith and leader. When you entrench your position as the true one particularly when one has no evidence to back it up than you are just one step away from starting to behead people because that is what religion does. It makes fanatics out of the very best of us. I hope you can see the logic in my argument.]

    No, your basic premise is wrong.

    What I wrote earlier to you was to say that one doesn’t have to commit suicide to attain God.

    I did not tell you or ask you to become a “Hindu”.

    “Hindus” are not trying to convince you to buy anything!

    Muslims are and Christians are trying to sell (or forcing you to buy) their “Products”.

    Christianity and Islam need NEW NEW non-believers to join Christianity and Islam to increase social, economic, and geo-political influences.

    Because, Christian and Islamic theologies are based on borrowed ideas and ideals from Judaism.

    So, any comparison of Islam or Christianity with “Hinduism” is not only INCORRECT, but also a totally futile exercise at the core.

    If you have read my last sentence so far, your ego might kick in and you may want to confront me by saying something like “What the hell he is talking about?”

    Because, like you, there are many people on earth — including so many “Hindus” as well — who do not want to dig into what exactly both Christianity and Islam incorporated from Judaism — both in terms of theologies and practices — and what the history of Judaism actually tells us, as the following sentences show.

    ‘…the Allãh of the Qur’ãn says again and again that Allãh is not revealing anything new, but only re-affirming what is already recorded in the earlier scripture, namely, the Bible.

    Allãh is annoyed with the Jews in particular for their refusal to recognize Muhammad as a prophet when their own prophets were known to have spread the same message received from the same source.

    Muhammad, too, is pained that his people repudiate him without checking with the Jews and the Christians the truth of what Muhammad is proclaiming.

    Muslim theologians of later ages will deny that Muhammad learnt anything from the Bible.

    In their eagerness to invest Muhammad with an absolutely original inspiration, Muslim theologians will portray Muhammad as an illiterate (ummî) who could neither read nor write.

    But we will better believe Allãh and Allãh’s prophet rather than the latter-day Muslim theologians, and proceed to examine what the Bible says vis-a-vis other people’s gods and places of worship.

    The prophets speak on behalf of a boastful being who introduces himself as Jehovah and thunders a thousand time that he alone is worthy of worship to the exclusion of all “other gods”.

    Moses hails Jehovah as “a warrior” whose name “the nations heard and trembled.”

    The story in the Bible starts a long time before Jehovah identifies himself to Moses.

    For our purpose, the story acquires interest only after Moses leads his people out of Egypt and goes up to Mount Sinai where Moses has been summoned by Jehovah “in a peal of thunder.”

    That is when Moses receives the famous Ten Commandments.

    Jehovah says,

    “I am the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    “You shall have NO other gods set against me.

    “You shall not have a carved image for yourself nor the likeness of anything in the heavens above, or on the earth below, or in the waters under the earth.

    “You shall not bow down to them, for, I, the Lord your God am a jealous god.

    “I punish the children for the sins of their forefathers to the third and fourth generations of those that hate me.”

    Jehovah does not make it clear how homage to other gods means hatred for him.

    Jehovah portrays the pathological state of mind in which a person feels slighted simply because some other person is praised.

    In any case, Jehovah goes ahead and lays down that “whoever sacrifices to any other god but the Lord shall be put to death under solemn ban.”

    This was no empty threat as Moses proved soon after.

    While Moses went up to Mount Sinai for a second time his people down below melted their ornaments, made a golden calf, and started worshipping it with song and dance.

    Jewish God Jehovah was furious.

    Jehovah threatened to destroy the whole lot of them, and Moses had a hard time pacifying Jehovah.

    Moses hurried down in order to handle the situation.

    “Then Moses took the golden calf they had made and burnt it; Moses ground it to powder, sprinkled it on water and made the Israelites drink it.”

    Next Moses took his place at the gate of the camp and said,

    “Who is on the Lord’s side?

    “Come here to me; and the Levites all rallied to him.

    Moses said to them,

    ‘These are the words of the Lord the God of Israel: Arm yourselves, each of you, with his sword.

    ‘Go through the camp from gate to gate and back again.

    ‘Each of you will kill his brother, his friend, his neighbour.’

    The Levites obeyed, and about three thousand of the people slaughtered.

    Moses then said,

    ‘Today you have consecrated yourselves to the Lord, because you have each turned against his own son and his own brother and so have brought this blessing upon yourselves.’”

    All ties of kinship which normal societies, particularly Pagan societies, have prized stood dissolved in the New Dispensation of Moses.

    A brotherhood of believers (or bandits) based on a commonly shared cult came into existence!

    Muhammad will also call upon the Muslims to do the same and acknowledge no relationship higher than obedience to the dictates of Islãm.

    Jehovah made it quite clear to the Jews that if Jews failed to punish those among them who turned to other gods, Jehovah will take the matter in his own hands and inflict terrible calamities on the whole people.

    “If inspite of this you do not listen to me and still defy me, I will defy you in anger, and I myself will punish you seven times over for your sins.

    “Instead of meat you shall eat your sons and your daughters.

    “I will destroy your hill shrines and demolish your incense altars.

    “I will pile your rotting carcases on the rotting logs that were your idols, and I will spurn you.

    “I will make your cities desolate and destroy your sanctuaries.

    “I will destroy your land and the enemies who occupy it shall be appalled.

    “I will scatter you among the heathen and I will pursue you with the naked sword; your land shall be desolate and your cities heaps of rubble.”

    Jehovah left no one in doubt that he was a hardened gangster who would stop at no crime.

    We shall meet Jehovah again in the Qur’ãn.

    To Jewish God Jehovah, the “other gods” are not worth worshipping because they are “made by human hands out of wood and stone, gods that can neither see nor hear, neither eat nor smell.”

    Idols are not only dead matter but also “loathsome and abominable.”

    Idols cannot help, nor save you in an emergency.

    We shall meet the same note in the Qur’ãn.

    Allãh will also pity the people who bow before such “dead and dumb things”.

    The march towards the land, which Jehovah had long ago promised to deliver to his Chosen People, was resumed.

    Jehovah himself led the Jewish horde, assuming the form of a cloud.

    On the way Jehovah gave elaborate instructions about how Jehovah himself was to be worshipped.

    At last Jews were on the frontiers of the promised land.

    Jehovah briefed Jews how to proceed:

    “When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to occupy and drive out many nations before you — Hitites, Girgashites, Amorites, Cananites, Perrizites, Hivites, and Jebusites, seven nations more numeous and powerful than you — when the Lord your God delivers them into your power and you defeat them,YOU MUST PUT THEM TO DEATH.

    “You must not make a treaty with them or spare them.

    “You must not intermarry with them, neither giving you daughters to their sons nor taking their daughters for your sons: if you do, they will draw your sons away from the Lord and make them worship other gods.

    “Then the Lord will be angry with you and quickly destroy you.

    “But this is what you must do to them: pull down their altars, break their sacred pillars, hack down their sacred poles and destroy their idols by fire, for you are a people holy to the Lord your God; the Lord your God chose you out of all the nations on earth to be his special possession.”

    Jehovah also warned the Jews against reformers who may appear among them.

    “When a prophet or dreamer appears among you and offers you a sign or a portent and calls on you to follow other gods whom you have not known and worshipped, then, even if the sign or portent should come true, do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer.

    “That prophet or that dreamer shall be put to death, for he has preached rebellion against the Lord who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the path which the Lord your God commanded you to take.

    You must rid yourselves of this wickedness.”

    The conquest of the promised land proceeded apace, accompanied by unmitigated slaughter and rapine.

    Jehovah commanded his servants again and again not to leave alive anything that breathes.

    “So Joshua massacred the population of the whole region — the hill country, the Nageb, the Shephelah, the watersheds — and all their kings.

    “Joshua left no survivor, destroying everything that drew breath as the Lord God of Israel had commanded.”

    Jehovah took credit for all the victories and waxed eloquent in self-adulation.’

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/ch13.htm

  46. Truth Seeker says:

    @Failure of Jesus, Muhammad, Moses in test of truth

    Five Tests of true religion

    1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose – It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q’uran, and the New Testament of His ‘divine wisdom’. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.

    2 It must conform with (immutable) natural laws
    Oppose – The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element – any other method as man was
    created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.

    3 It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose – Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).

    4 It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose – Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q’uran.

    5 Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
    Direct Cognition – Not all that is known by perception can be true.
    Inferences – God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
    Testimony – The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.

    History – There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki’s Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryan) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

  47. madfijian says:

    “Face the truth” Thank you for your brilliant explanation. I will put it as simply as i can. I am a week Atheist. In that i am open to the possibility that their maybe a creator. What i am certain of is that their is ZERO evidence to prove this either way. What we have is basically books written by people thousands of years ago when even something as mundane as lightening was supposed to have been caused by a God or Gods. We now know better. Any evidence we might have is completely anecdotal. ZERO tangible or verifiable by the modern human intellect. To argue on this matter is trivial and a waste of time. To argue and get hostile about it is dangerous and frankly down right dumb.
    What you say and what you believe is irrelevant to me and frankly i don’t care. You can believe and follow whatever you like. You can call a stone God or frankly a Monkey your God. I don’t care. What i do care about is the millions who have died either because of their own belief or because someone else tried to impose their belief on them. What i care about is the millions of people who will die in the future and who are dying now as i write this because some pig shit thinks that his or her religion is the only true one and that any infidel or non believer is fare game to be killed. And what i see on this blog is exactly that. A Group of Hindus trying to prove that their faith is better than the dumb Christians and Muslims. Cant you guys see the fallacy in all this. This is exactly what the likes of ISIS do. They sincerely believe that their faith and their child molesting so called prophet is better than everybody else’s faith and leader. When you entrench your position as the true one particularly when one has no evidence to back it up than you are just one step away from starting to behead people because that is what religion does. It makes fanatics out of the very best of us.

    I hope you can see the logic in my argument.

  48. why? says:

    Poor Ron,

    No matter what nonsense you write about Hinduism or Hindus, you cannot argue against the fact that your jeebus was born through adultery of Mary. Now why would any so called “god” would be born through adultery? It is clearly known through gospels that adulterous mary carried mamzer jeebus for 9 months. Only human sperm will lead to such pregnancies. Poor old joseph wanted to divorce adulterous mary for her adultery showing he did not make adulterous mary pregnant. did your demonic bible “god” ejaculate his sperm into mary to call the bastard son jeebus as his son?

    Second, why would any god kill himself in order to convince himself to forgive his own creation? Would a judge kill and torture himself in order to convince himself not to punish criminals? If a judge does this, he would be called a mentally retarded and promptly sent to an asylum. Now why would anyone with minuscule amount of sanity believe that “God” would kill himself and torture himself to forgive his own creation when “God” is the sole judge and executor? No matter how much you dance around this nonsense christian belief, you cannot prove it to be a logical belief. Christianity is pure nonsense inspired by purely demonic entity.

    Mamzer Jeebus’ adulterous birth itself shows that jeebus was possessed by a demon or is a demon. Demons are born through adultery as their nature is that of garbage and refuse. Even your demonic bible confirms with the title “morning star” that jeebus is none other than satan.

  49. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for screen-name Mad_Fijian:

    “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) doesn’t require one to die in order to realize God.

    “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) teaches, Hari Om Tat Sat (हरी ओम् तत् सत्).

    “These sacred syllables were integral to religious and material goodness and spiritual pursuit in Vedic age.

    As in Bhagavad Gita, about five thousand years ago in Dvapara Yuga, Lord Shri Krishna while teaching Arjuna described ‘Om Tat Sat’ as the most effective tool of purification and the supreme awakening.”

    In “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma), the seeker can realize God from within in his/her own mortal existence!

    “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) says, Tat Tvam Asi (तत्त्वमसि), which literally means, “You Are That” and, that means, God manifests him/herself in every living creature and every non-living matter in the universe.

    Without God, there’s NO life, as life comes from God, according to “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma).

    So, in “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma), the seeker doesn’t need to commit suicide, as faithful Muslim believers did during September 11 Islamic-terror-strikes on World Trade Centers (NYC) in 2001 A.D.

    Christianity and Islam are based on falsehoods through and through; so, again and again the world has and will always experience harmful destructive things from the genocidal ideologies of Christianity and Islam.

    LINK

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/islamic-state-sex-slaves-auctioned-off-in-ukus-ally-saudi-arabia

    LINK

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/pope-urges-sincere-dialogue-between-christians-and-muslims-as-he-meets-nice-jihad-victims

  50. madfijian says:

    You poor religious zealots the whole lot of you. Does anyone else not see how quickly ones religious beliefs (zero evidence for anyone of it) reduces otherwise sane people to the edge of violence. Thank the heavens this is a cyber platform. From the rhetoric and plane hostility displaced in many posts here if this was a face to face discussion fists would have been flying by now. This is the true face of all RELIGION’S OR IN OTHER WORDS ORGANIZED MASS STUPIDITY. My belief is always the right one. This 7 word sentence has killed millions over time and will continue to kill more millions until it is eradicated by the rising tide of humanist,atheist and agnostics which is now the 2nd fastest growing group in the world. In America it is the number 1 growing group and worldwide this group will outnumber the religious freaks by 2050.

    On This Anti Islam Blog we got people swearing calling names and just being plane freaking dumb about something none of us can prove. Why cant you dumb asses just wait till you die you will know the truth than. If anyone of you is really that eager to prove that your faith is correct commit suicide you will know for certain than.The only problem is you are not coming back to prove your point. I guess you will get the satisfaction of proving it to yourself though and we the sane lot will have one less religious bigot to worry about.

  51. Face_The_Truth says:

    “Anyways let the readers judge and check it up.”

    PLEASE DO NOT LIE.

    WHAT MAKES ME SICK OF ALL VARIETIES OF CHRISTIANS IS CHRISTIANS ARE CONGENITAL LIARS.

    BECAUSE, IF THERE’S NO LIE, THERE’S NO CHRISTIANITY.

    SIMILARLY, IF THERE’S NO LOOTING OF NON-MUSLIM’S LANDS AND PROPERTIES, THERE’S NO ISLAM AS EARLY MUSLIMS WERE ATTRACTED TO ISLAM BY ISLAM’S FOUNDER THROUGH THE LURE OF PLUNDER OF NON-MUSLIM’S EVERYTHING.

    EARLY MUSLIMS — AND LATER MUSLIMS AS WELL — WANTED TO GET RICH BY IMPOVERISHING “HINDUS” OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

    NOW, LET’S INQUIRE A 13TH CENTURY PAGAN WAR-LORD NAMED HULEGU HAAN’S RELIGION AND LET ALL READERS AT FAITH_FREEDOM_ORG WEBSITE JUDGE.

    LINK

    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/hulagu-khan

    “The latter, however, seems to have learnt of the gist of this missive; and in 1263 he sent the short letter Exultavit cor nostrum, in which he expresses his joy at Hülegü’s inclination towards Christianity and desire for instruction in baptism (or so the Pope understood); after the verification of the Il-khan’s conversion to Christianity, the Pope would gladly send help in the struggle against the Saracens (Lupprian, pp. 216-19).

    IT IS DOUBTFUL WHETHER HÜLEGÜ REALLY HARBORED ASPIRATIONS TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN, BUT HÜLEGÜ’S SYMPATHIES FOR SOME CHRISTIANS, AT LEAST, IS CLEAR.

    This may have been a result of the influence of his beloved wife Doquz Ḵātun (q.v.), a Nestorian Kereit princess; but traditional Mongol tolerance, or perhaps ambivalence and even apathy on religious matters, may have also played a role.”

  52. Truth Seeker says:

    @Ali Sina

    Why Jesus and Bible fail in test of truth

    Five Tests of true religion

    It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose – It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q’uran, and the New Testament of His ‘divine wisdom’. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
    It must conform with (immutable) natural laws
    Oppose – The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element – any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
    It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose – Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
    It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose – Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q’uran.
    Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
    Direct Cognition – Not all that is known by perception can be true.
    Inferences – God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
    Testimony – The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
    History – There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki’s Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryan) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

  53. Ron says:

    Google search Hulagu Khan Religon
    Result:

    Religion.
    Nestorian Christianity, converted to Buddhism on his deathbed.
    Hulagu Khan, also known as Hülegü or Hulegu (Mongolian: Хүлэгу хаан; Chagatai: ہلاکو; Persian: هولاکو خان‎‎; Chinese: 旭烈兀; c. 1218 – 8 February 1265), was a Mongol ruler who conquered much of Western Asia.

    Also the box at the right end in the link clearly says his religion was Nestorian Christianity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulagu_Khan

    Anyways let the readers judge and check it up.

  54. Face_The_Truth says:

    [I don’t claim Hulagu Khan to be a Christian, but Wikipedia mentions it (check it out- the box at the right side of the page link here )]

    HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE?

    BASED ON YOUR WIKIPEDIA SOURCE (POSTED BELOW):

    “Hulegu was born to Tolui, one of Genghis Haan’s sons, and Sorghaghtani Beki, an influential Keraite princess.

    Sorghaghtani Beki successfully navigated Mongol politics, arranging for all of her sons to become Mongol leaders.

    Sorghaghtani Beki was a Christian of the Church of the East (often referred to as “Nestorianism”) and HULAGU WAS FRIENDLY TO CHRISTIANITY.

    Hulegu’s favorite wife, Doquz Khatun, was also a Christian, as was Hulegu’s closest friend and general, Kitbuqa Noyan.

    It is recorded however that Hulegu converted to Buddhist as Hulegu neared death, against the will of Doquz Khatun.

    The erection of a Buddhist temple at Ḵoy testifies Hulegu’s interest in that religion.”

    NOW, NOWHERE IT SAYS THAT HULEGU HAAN WAS A CHRISTIAN.

    FOR MYSELF BEING FRIENDLY WITH SO MANY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FOR SO MANY YEARS OF MY LIFE DOES MAKE ME NEITHER A JEW NOR A CHRISTIAN.

    EVEN MY CHRISTIAN WIFE DOESN’T MAKE ME A CHRISTIAN.

    SO, PLEASE STOP LYING ABOUT HULEGU HAAN’S RELIGION.

    “Mongols were highly tolerant of most religions during the early Mongol Empire and typically sponsored several at the same time.

    At the time of Genghis Haan in the 13th century A.D., virtually every religion had found converts, from Buddhism to Christianity and Manichaeanism to Islam.

    To avoid strife, Genghis Haan set up an institution that ensured complete religious freedom, though Genghis Haan himself was a Shamanist (i.e., a Pagan).

    Under Genghis Haan’s administration, all religious leaders were exempt from taxation, and from public service.

    Mongol emperors were known for organizing competitions of religious debates among clerics, and these would draw large audiences.”

    LINK

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Mongol_Empire

    IN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM, ANY DEBATE (I.E., BLASPHEMY) IS FORBIDDEN; BECAUSE, BOTH CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM DEMAND BLIND FAITH IN FALSEHOODS.

  55. Ron says:

    When you are full of hate then it is difficult to think rationally.
    I don’t claim Hulagu Khan to be a Christian, but Wikipedia mentions it (check it out- the box at the right side of the page link here )
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulagu_Khan

    Also do a google search “Hulagu Khan Religion” and it will confirm the above.

    Pagan Hindus mostly lost to invaders because you don’t worship the true God.

    Pagan Hindus worship, cow, snake, rats, monkey, elephant, penis, vagina, stone, bank-notes, idols, cow-dung, cow-urine, river, rain, crops, mountain, sun, moon, ancestors, babas, rishis, gurus, demonic gods etc.

  56. Face_The_Truth says:

    [Stanley_the_Christian_Liar:
    Well, listen to the words of Jesus..I was dead and now I am alive forevermore… Jesus Christ rose from the dead…]

    History tells us that Jesus F**king Christ did not rise at all and, furthermore, your Jesus F**king Christ was actually a son of a whore, not a son of God.

    Every Christian should read the following books:

    William Benjamin Smith, “Ecce Deus: Studies of Primitive Christianity”, London, 1912

    l. Gordon Rylands, “Did Jesus Ever Live?”, Watts & Co., London, 1929

    Will Durant, “The Story of Civilization, Part III, Caesar and Christ”, Fourth Printing, New York, 1944

    Paul Johnson, “A History of Christianity”, Penguin Books, London, 1978

    Michael Arnhem, “Is Christianity True?”, London, 1984

    Ian Wilson, “Jesus: The Evidence”, Pan Books, 1985

    George Albert Wells, “Did Jesus Exist?”, Second Edition, London, 1986

    LINK

    https://orphicplatonism.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/jesus-christ-an-artifice-for-aggression-by-sita-ram-goel.pdf

  57. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    STOP LYING, YOU CONGENITAL CHRISTIAN LIAR.

    GENGHIS HAAN WAS A PAGAN AND HIS SON WAS A PAGAN AND HIS GRANDSON HULEGU HAAN WAS A PAGAN UNTIL CONVERSION TO BUDDHISM.

    IF HULEGU HAAN WAS A CHRISTIAN, HULEGU HAAN WOULD NOT HAVE CONVERTED TO BUDDHISM ON DEATH-BED, ESPECIALLY IN 13TH CENTURY A.D.

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****.

    PAGAN HULEGU HAAN BEHEADED ISLAM’S CALIPH IS BAGHDAD; CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS DID NOT DO THAT.

    NOW, YOU WANNA TAKE CREDIT FOR A PAGAN WAR-LORD.

    EVERYTHING YOU WRITE, I HAVE REFUTED EACH ONE OF THEM LINE BY LINE AND, YET, YOU KEEP LYING YOUR CHRISTIAN LIES.

    YOU ARE A VERY VERY SICK MAN.

    JUST REMEMBER THAT “HINDUS” DON’T HAVE BEAR CHRISTIAN LIES ANYMORE.

    YOU ARE A VERY VERY SICK CHRISTIAN MAN.

  58. stanley says:

    Dear Truth seeker…your last 3 questions are answered in the Bible. Seek and you will find. Read the accounts of Jesus death by crucifixion and his subsequent resurrection from the dead and then you will understand my point of view.
    Only our Creator is eternal , therefore his soul/spirit is un-created…we are all finite beings.
    When Jesus rose from the dead he had a glorified body, physical yet without blood…it is a picture of all future resurrected saints. This is called the celestial body.
    You are trying to make sense of Bible doctrine from the viewpoint of Rishis teachings- it will never work.
    Resurrection is incompatible with re-incarnation.
    Nirvana and eternal life from the Biblical position are opposite doctrines.

    Do you know what you were in your so called previous life? If not- why do trust your future destiny to fate?
    If you admit that you are sinner, the natural questions is: What are the fate of sinners?

  59. Truth Seeker says:

    @Stanely
    _____________Jesus Christ rose from the dead_____________

    What do you means rose from the dead? How he died? And How he rose again?

    __________who has the power to conquer death______________

    But he is dead from body point of view. From soul point of view no one dies.

    _________I did not have a previous life———————–

    You are sinner since birth. One can not be sinner if he had not committed sin. One is born as sinner. From where one carried the burden of sins if he has not committed any single act in his present life. It is obvious it is burden of previous life actions.

  60. Truth Seeker says:

    Great Rishi knew in state of Samaadhi many things which Jesus could not his life time like

    The soul was never created. It is beginningless like God, the Efficient cause and matter, the material cause of the Universe. The body and bodily organs were made by God, but they are all under the control of the soul. When an act is perform good or bad the soul and not God reaps the fruits, not only in this birth but future births also. As always it is logical to point out that the “purpose” has to exist before something is made.
    The sole purpose of creation is for souls to take birth so that they can reap the fruits of their actions. Thus it is the only reason for God to create the Universe. If all souls were created, then they all, within logics, should be innocent and pure and all should have been born in happiness, but it is not so. Then again, since all things created must perish, then the souls will have to die.

  61. Truth Seeker says:

    @Ali Sina

    Why Jesus and Bible fail in test of truth

    Five Tests of true religion

    It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose – It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q’uran, and the New Testament of His ‘divine wisdom’. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
    It must conform with (immutable) natural laws
    Oppose – The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element – any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
    It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose – Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
    It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose – Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q’uran.
    Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
    Direct Cognition – Not all that is known by perception can be true.
    Inferences – God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
    Testimony – The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
    History – There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki’s Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryan) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

  62. Truth Seeker says:

    @Stanley
    Knowledg imparted by Author of Yog, Sankhya, Nayay, Mimansa Darshan
    Six Causes of Creation
    1. Nothing in this world can be produced without proper application.” Mimansa
    2. “Nothing can be done or made without the expenditure of time.” Vaisheshika
    3. “Nothing in this world can be produced without the material cause.” Niyaya
    4. “Nothing can be made without the requisite skill, knowledge and thought.” Yoga
    5. “Nothing can be made without the definite combination of atoms.” Sankhaya
    6. “Nothing can be made without a Maker.” Vedanta
    FACT: Creation of the world or anything created by man can never come into being without a maker, material, skill/knowledge, time, space and labour/instrument.

  63. stanley says:

    Well, listen to the words of Jesus..I was dead and now I am alive forevermore… Jesus Christ rose from the dead…
    Anyone who has the power to conquer death is worthy of my adoration.

    I did not have a previous life – but I do have a present and future life. I was born on a certain day, and I will die on a certain day. I am so glad to know that when I die ( my body goes back to earth) I ( my spirit) will go to be with Jesus for he said… I go to prepare a mansion for you, that where I am, you may be also. Thank you Jesus for loving and saving a sinner like me.

  64. Truth Seeker says:

    In state of Samaadhi soul see itself different from Body. Then it recognise its true form. Ignorance is cause of bondage. In bondage of Prakriti souls suffers.

  65. Truth Seeker says:

    @Stanley

    They are now liberated soul. Liberated from body’s bondage. They are not subject of birth & death. We are all sinner. Our birth is result of our sins committed in previous life. Whoever takes body it is due to sins.

  66. Truth Seeker says:

    @Stenly

    There are now liberated soul. Liberated from body bondage. They are not subject of birth & death. We are all sinner. Our birth is result of our sins committed in previous life. Whoever takes body it is due to sins.

  67. stanley says:

    So where are all your rishis now?

  68. Truth Seeker says:

    @All

    Afte reading Yog and Sankhya Darshan I realised Jesus was on same path as prescribed by Patanjali. But it is obvious after reading his book like Bible he did not reach highest state of enlightenment like
    Rishi Patanjali author of Yog Darshan, Rishi Kapil Author of Sankhya , Rishi Guatam Author of Nayay Darshan, Rishi Vyas Author Uttar Mimans and many more Rishi who reached highest state of Samaadhi (enlightenment). Jesus was not even 10% of these Rishi in wisdom. These Rishi came to earth thousands of year before birth of Jesus. These Rishi explored many things like eternal trinity of Souls, God, and Primordial matter. Jesus could not know this fact. These enlightened sages knew many things like Cycle of universe creation its maintenance and its dissolution in its cause happens like day after night happening since eternity. Jesus could not know such things during his life time.
    I laugh on stupidity of People who called Bible is Gold mine of knowledge. These people never have a look on Yog Darshan, Sankhya Darshan. Bible is not even 5% of Yog Darshan & Sankhya Philosophy. If anyone doubts on my claims please read Yog Darshan I am giving link though there are many discrepancies in translation but even than far batter from Bible.

    https://archive.org/details/yogadaranasutra00patagoog

    If anyone have guts to disapprove single word written by of Rishi Patanjli I am ready to accept his religion While Bible is full absurdity.

    Note: Doing Physical exercises, Breathing techniques is not Yoga. For more details please have a look 196 Sutra of Yog Darshan.

  69. Ron says:

    Well the article in Wikipedia does mention that Hulagu Khan was a Nestorian Christian (see box at the right) . His wife and best friend were both Christian and he defeated the Arab forces at Baghdad and liberated the Christians. He allowed them to build a church on a palace etc. Hi Mother Sorghaghtani Beki was also a Christian.

    So it is not surprising that his skills as a warrior and this influence of Christianity helped him defeat Islamic forces.

    You are correct that Hulagu became a Buddhist on his deathbed and his descendants lost to Islamic forces and many of their descendants became Muslim. So it is not surprising that Islam could defeat pagan forces whether Hindu, Buddhist or not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulagu_Khan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorghaghtani_Beki

    History is replete with examples of Islamic forces easily defeating pagan forces (Hindu/Buddhist) kingdoms most of the time. And Islamic forces being defeated or contained by Christian forces.

    Islam has generally defeated pagan, Hindu, Buddhist, Animist, Tribal, Atheist forces but has generally lost to Christian forces

  70. Face_The_Truth says:

    “Genghis Khan did not fight much with Islamic hordes.”

    STOP LYING.

    GENGHIS HAAN AND HIS GRANDSON HULEGU HAAN KILLED NEARLY OVER 15 MILLION MUSLIMS 13TH CENTURY A.D.

    “Hulagu Khan his grandson had a Christian wife. She turned Hulagu to ally with the European Christians (French) against the Muslims.”

    FALSE STATEMENT AGAIN.

    HULEGU HAAN WANTED ALLIANCE WITH CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS; BUT, CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS REFUSED ANY ALLIANCE WITH A PAGAN WAR-LORD.

    ‘DESPITE MANY ATTEMPTS, NEITHER HULEGU NOR HIS SUCCESSORS WERE ABLE TO FORM AN ALLIANCE WITH CHRISTIAN EUROPE…’

    GENGHIS HAAN AND HIS GRANDSON HULEGU HAAN WERE THE FOLLOWERS OF GOD (GODDESS) TENGIRI.

    GENGHIS HAAN AND HIS GRANDSON HULEGU HAAN WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ANY CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

    ‘DESPITE MANY ATTEMPTS, NEITHER HULEGU NOR HIS SUCCESSORS WERE ABLE TO FORM AN ALLIANCE WITH CHRISTIAN EUROPE…’

    CHRISTIANS DO NOT PREFER PAGANS; CHRISTIANS PREFER MUSLIMS.

    BECAUSE, CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM ARE SIMILAR RELIGIONS ROOTED IN FALSEHOODS.

    “We don’t know how much support Hulagu got from the Christian Europe but historians know that his wife had a good influence on Hulagu who defeated the Muslim Arabs and conquered Baghdad. He killed the Muslim defenders of Baghdad city but spared the lives of all the Christians. In fact, he converted one of the palaces in Baghdad to become a church.”

    ‘…HULEGU WAS FRIENDLY TO CHRISTIANITY.

    HULAGU’S FAVORITE WIFE, DOQUZ KHATUN, WAS ALSO A CHRISTIAN [CENTRAL-ASIAN, NOT A EUROPEAN CHRISTIAN], AS WAS HIS CLOSEST FRIEND AND GENERAL, KITBUQA NOYAN.

    IT IS RECORDED HOWEVER THAT HULEGU CONVERTED TO BUDDHISISM AS HULEGU NEARED DEATH, AGAINST THE WILL OF DOQUZ KHATUN.’

    THEREFORE, HISTORY SHOWS THAT CHRISTIANS COULD NOT AND DID NOT DEFEAT MUSLIMS AS CHRISTIANS NEEDED A PAGAN NAMED HULEGU HAAN TO DESTROY ISLAM TO DEFEAT MUSLIMS IN 13TH CENTURY A.D.

    “Later on the Mongol Khan dynasty had broken in 4 parts all ruled by descendants of Genghis. 3 of the 4 rulers of Khan kingdoms became Muslim. The above proves what I said before. Islam has generally won against pagans and Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists but lost against Christians.”

    STOP LYING.

    ‘IT IS RECORDED HOWEVER THAT HULEGU CONVERTED TO BUDDHISISM AS HULEGU NEARED DEATH, AGAINST THE WILL OF DOQUZ KHATUN.’

    THE ABOVE HISTORICAL STATEMENT PROVES THAT CHRISTIANITY COULD NOT AND DID NOT DEFEAT ISLAM.

    “Imperialist but Christian Europe stopped the advance of Muslims in Africa. They also defeated the Mughals and stopped the advance of Islam in India.”

    MUGHALS WERE ALREADY WEAKENED BY THE TIME EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS ARRIVED IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

    ANYONE REFUTING THAT FACT, PLEASE CARE TO READ “HINDU RESISTANCE TO ISLAMIC RULE IN INDIA” BY A.P. JOSHI.

    “The King of Kashmir was a Hindu who ruled a large Muslim population not by his military strength but because of British protection and treaty.”

    THIS ONE WILL REQUIRE ME TO WRITE SO LONG THAT, I HAVE TO ADMIT, I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO WRITE ABOUT KASHMIR NOW.

    “Mughals ruled a great part of India from Delhi.”

    ‘BY THE MID-18TH CENTURY, THE MARATHAS HAD ROUTED MUGHAL ARMIES AND WON OVER SEVERAL MUGHAL PROVINCES FROM THE PUNJAB TO BENGAL.’

    “There were also Muslim rulers Hyderabad, Mysore, Bengal, Awadh etc. Without defeating Hindu kings, they (Muslims) could not rule.”

    “HINDU” KINGS WERE DEFEATED WHEN “HINDU” KINGS FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPE OF “RELIGION” ISLAM ACTUALLY WAS AND WHAT MUSLIMS LIVING IN THEIR MIDST WERE ACTUALLY UP TO.

    BUT, “HINDUS” ROSE AGAIN WHEN “HINDUS” FOUGHT TO RETAIN THEIR ANCESTRAL FAITHS AND ANCESTRAL LANDS FROM MUSLIM INVADERS.

    AS FOR BENGAL, IT WAS A BUDDHIST STRONGHOLD THAT REFUSED TO FIGHT THE ENEMIES WITH PERVERTED IDEOLOGY CALLED “AHIMSA” (I.E., NON-VIOLENCE).

    SIMILAR SITUATION WAS IN MODERN-DAY TERRITORIES OF AFGHANISTAN WHERE BUDDHISTS PRACTICED “AHIMSA” AND DID NOT HAVE THE MILITARY MEANS TO DEFEAT MARAUDING MUSLIM INVADERS.

    ONE THING WE MUST ALSO REMEMBER, MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS CAME AND SETTLED IN PAGAN COUNTRIES — SUCH AS IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT — AS VERY MODERATE “PEACE-LOVING” PEOPLE.

    HOWEVER, WHEN OPPORTUNITY AROSE, MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS ULTIMATELY SHOWED THEIR TRUE COLORS.

    “We should thank the British who defeated the Muslims and stopped Islamization of India otherwise right now you would be speaking in favor of Islam.”

    STOP LYING.

    BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS MILITARILY DEFEATED THE “HINDUS” SUCH AS THE MARATHAS, THE SIKHS, AND THE RAJPUTS IN ORDER TO MAKE ROOMS FOR INDIAN MUSLIMS.

    BRITISH CHRISTIANS DID NOT STOP ISLAMIZATION.

    BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS WANTED EITHER CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM TO REPLACE “HINDUISM” (I.E., SANÃTANA DHARMA).

    BECAUSE, CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM PROSPERED WITH THE LOOTED WEALTH OF “HINDUS” IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

  71. Ron says:

    Brother,
    It is not that Hindus are bad. They are victims of hate propaganda instilled in them by Hindu religious fanatical political organizations. It then results in them being foul-mouthed, getting angry, persecuting minorities, seeing persecution but not standing up, not feeling any guilt, abetting crime by supporting this violent, fanatical, organizations.

    Hindus are the victims of Talibanization of India by fanatical Hindu forces just as Afghans became the victims of Talibanization of Afghanistan. Germans became victims of the Nazis.

    You should NEVER hate a fellow human being. Hate the crime, hate the sin but love the person.

    This is what Jesus taught. To forgive, love, have compassion, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, take care of the sick, downtrodden and widows, orphans, poor, destitute.

    Whatever you do to the least of my brethren that you do unto me.

    When you hurt these least of your brethren (irrespective of their religion or caste) you are hurting the true God (Jesus) but you are pleasing the false gods (demon) and you don’t know it.

    Win Muslims, Hindus, Dalits, Atheists by love.

  72. Face_The_Truth says:

    [When you support a communal organization even though it may do some social service, it is abetting a crime as they are persecuting other human beings (be they Muslim, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Dalits, Buddhists, Atheists, animists etc).]

    TELLING CHRISTIANITY FOR WHAT IT HISTORICALLY IS NOT COMMUNAL.

    RETAINING ONE’S FOREFATHERS’ ANCIENT FAITH IS NOT COMMUNAL.

    TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM BRUTALITIES IS NOT COMMUNAL.

    [You directly or indirectly have blood on your hands.]

    CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS HAVE MORE BLOOD IN THEIR HAND THAN ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUP OF PEOPLE FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM WERE FOUNDED ON FALSEHOODS.

    [Indoctrination of hate can numb your sensitivity (desensitize) you when a person not of your faith or not of your caste suffers persecution.]

    A HINDU DOESN’T NEED TO FOLLOW CASTE SYSTEM TODAY.

    A HINDU CAN FIND WHATEVER JOB SUITS HIM/HER AND PURSUE THAT.

    GOVT. OF INDIA DOESN’T FAVOR UPPER CASTE OVER LOWER TODAY.

    [You may even join the bandwagon of hate in this false euphoria of nationalism and patriotism and never know that your worldview (your faith) is responsible.]

    CHRISTIANITY IS A RELIGION OF HATE FOR MURDERING “HINDUS” IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

    CHRISTIANITY PROMOTES FALSEHOOD, BECAUSE JESUS F**KING CHRIST WAS A SON OF A WHORE.

    CHRISTIANITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MURDERING MILLIONS OF “HINDUS” DURING COLONIAL TIME.

    NOW CHRISTIANITY APPEARS AS A SOOTHING BALM BY TRYING TO HIDE ITS GENOCIDAL PAST.

    [There are 166,635,700 Dalit people who live in India. Dalit people are at the bottom of a hierarchical caste system determined by birth.]

    IF DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS DO NOT LIKE INDIA, PLEASE LET THEM GO TO PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH.

    DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS HAVE UNITED NOW TO DESTROY INDIA FROM WITHIN.

    INDIA IS NOT A COMMUNIST COUNTRY AND NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE.

    IN ANY FEUDAL SYSTEM TO CAPITALIST SYSTEM, THERE WILL BE DISENFRANCHISED PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT HAVE THINGS THEY DO WANT.

    SO, STOP COMPLAINING AND STOP WHINING AND LET DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS LEAVE INDIA FOR A BETTER FUTURE IN PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH.

    BECAUSE, I UNDERSTAND THAT INDIA HAS FAILED TO PROVIDE DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS EVERYTHING THEY PREFER.

    [Although Indian law prohibits discrimination and violence against Dalit people, in reality atrocities are a daily occurrence.
    •13 Dalits are murdered each week.
    •5 Dalit homes are burnt each week.
    •6 Dalit people are kidnapped or abducted each week.
    •21 Dalit women raped each week.]

    EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH HAS ONE SOCIAL PROBLEM OR ANOTHER.

    STOP WHINING WITH FALSE STATISTICS.

    PLEASE LET THE DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS TO GO TO PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH AND EUROPE AND AMERICAS FOR BETTER LIVELIHOODS.

    [It is estimated that a crime is committed against a Dalit person every 18 minutes. The problem not the law but the lack of political will, at local and national levels, to apply these laws. In 2006, the official conviction rate for Dalit atrocity cases was just 5.3%.]

    THIS IS FALSEHOOD OF THE DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS, PROPAGATED BY THE INDIAN PEOPLE LIKE SUZANNA ARUNDHATI ROY.

    [Social discrimination is also a major problem. Dalit people are considered ‘untouchable’; most higher caste people would not marry a Dalit, invite them into their home or share food with them.
    •Dalit children sit separately from other children in schools. Almost 1 out of every 3 government school in rural areas prohibit children from sitting together.
    •Dalits are prevented from entering police stations in 27.6% of rural villages,
    •Public health workers refuse to enter Dalit homes in 1 out of 3 rural villages,
    •Almost half of Dalit villages are denied access to water sources,
    •Dalit and non-Dalit people cannot eat together in 70% of rural villages]

    SO, WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION???

    SHOULD ALL INDIANS BECOME CHRISTIANS AND START TO WORSHIP YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST???

    IS THAT YOUR SOLUTION???

    [Dalit women experience triple discrimination based on their caste, their economic situation and their gender.
    •70% of Dalit women are illiterate in rural India
    •Thousands of girls are forced into prostitution before they reach puberty.]

    THESE STATISTICS ARE PROVIDED BY CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES AS WELL AS FOREIGN NGO’S NOW WORKING IN INDIA.

    IF “HINDUS” IN INDIA ARE SO BAD, PLEASE TAKE THE DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS, WHO DO NOT LIKE INDIAN CURRENT SITUATION(S) TO YOUR PREFERRED COUNTRIES LIKE SAUDI ARABIA WHERE DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO BETTER.

    ARAB AND PERSIAN MUSLIMS RULED VARIOUS PARTS OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT FOR NEARLY 800 YEARS.

    EUOPREAN CHRISTIANS RULED ALMOST ALL PARTS OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT FOR 150 YEARS.

    NEITHER ARAB AND PERSIAN RULERS NOR EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS APPARENTLY SOLVED THE PROBLEMS OF DALITS.

    THEN CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS PARTITIONED INDIAN SUBCONTINENT TO THEIR PREFERENCES IN 1947 A.D.

    INDIA IS INDEPENDENT FOR LESS THAN 100 YEARS.

    APPARENTLY “HINDUS” CANNOT SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS.

    SO, IT’S TIME FOR DALITS, MARXISTS, MUSLIMS, AND CHRISTIANS TO LEAVE INDIA AND GO TO CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES, IF NOT TO MUSLIM COUNTRIES IN ORDER TO MAKE BETTER LIVELIHOODS.

    [The International Dalit Solidarity Network states “ Violence, including sexual assault, is used by dominant castes as a social mechanism for humiliating entire Dalit communities.”]

    STOP YOUR NON-STOP CHRISTIAN PROPAGANDA.

    FAITH_FREEDOM_ORG WEBSITE SHOULD BAN YOU FOR CONSTANTLY PROPAGATING FALSEHOOD AS YOU HAVE NOTHING INTELLIGENT TO ADD TO ANY CONVERSATION.

    FAITH_FREEDOM_ORG WEBSITE SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A PROPAGANDA MACHINE BY ANY PARTICULAR RELIGIO-ETHNIC GROUP.

    [Christ is the only way, truth and life.]

    HISTORY TEACHES US THAT YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST WAS A SON OF A WHORE.

  73. Ron says:

    When you support a communal organization even though it may do some social service, it is abetting a crime as they are persecuting other human beings (be they Muslim, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Dalits, Buddhists, Atheists, animists etc).

    You directly or indirectly have blood on your hands.
    Indoctrination of hate can numb your sensitivity (desensitize) you when a person not of your faith or not of your caste suffers persecution. You may even join the bandwagon of hate in this false euphoria of nationalism and patriotism and never know that your worldview (your faith) is responsible.

    There are 166,635,700 Dalit people who live in India. Dalit people are at the bottom of a hierarchical caste system determined by birth.

    Although Indian law prohibits discrimination and violence against Dalit people, in reality atrocities are a daily occurrence.
    •13 Dalits are murdered each week.
    •5 Dalit homes are burnt each week.
    •6 Dalit people are kidnapped or abducted each week.
    •21 Dalit women raped each week.

    It is estimated that a crime is committed against a Dalit person every 18 minutes. The problem not the law but the lack of political will, at local and national levels, to apply these laws. In 2006, the official conviction rate for Dalit atrocity cases was just 5.3%.

    Social discrimination is also a major problem. Dalit people are considered ‘untouchable’; most higher caste people would not marry a Dalit, invite them into their home or share food with them.
    •Dalit children sit separately from other children in schools. Almost 1 out of every 3 government school in rural areas prohibit children from sitting together.
    •Dalits are prevented from entering police stations in 27.6% of rural villages,
    •Public health workers refuse to enter Dalit homes in 1 out of 3 rural villages,
    •Almost half of Dalit villages are denied access to water sources,
    •Dalit and non-Dalit people cannot eat together in 70% of rural villages

    Dalit women experience triple discrimination based on their caste, their economic situation and their gender.
    •70% of Dalit women are illiterate in rural India
    •Thousands of girls are forced into prostitution before they reach puberty. .

    The International Dalit Solidarity Network states “ Violence, including sexual assault, is used by dominant castes as a social mechanism for humiliating entire Dalit communities.”

    Christ is the only way, truth and life.

  74. stanley says:

    If you are truly seeking truth, then look at all the facts….Jesus did not have a natural father like every one else, for the sole reason that the sin nature travels through the bloodline starting first from Adam and then to all his generations.
    For Jesus to be the sacrifice for sin, he had to be without the inherent sin nature and live a sinless life….that is why he is called the lamb of God…resembling the sacrificial lamb of the Jewish ceremonial practices.
    You need to look at the prophecy of Jesus given in the first book of the Bible- genesis 3.15…”seed of the woman..'” as well as all the prophecies given prior to his birth to understand God’s plan for redemption.
    Stop looking at Jesus as you regard another person…he was unique in nature, birth, life and death.
    That is your starting point from a Biblical perspective……
    you cannot have your own opinion of Jesus and then dismiss /accept his teachings.
    You first deal with the issue of: Who really is Jesus, before you even comment on the doctrines he taught.
    eg: Jesus said… hell was created for the devil and his angels…
    If you don’t believe there is a devil, why would you accept what Jesus said…but if you believe who Jesus said he was, then it is not a problem….. so your real issue friend is not with the issue of religion or hell – it has to do with the Person of Jesus Christ: Either he is who he said he is or he is a liar or lunatic.
    If you are truly seeking truth….that road will lead everyone to him…because he said: I am THE way, THE truth and THE life….
    Jesus also said…unless you are born again you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven…., so here you go…

  75. A.H. says:

    @TS

    “Jesus was not even 10% of these Rishi in wisdom.”

    In the bible it is not about philosophy but about salvation.

    1 Corinthintians 3,19
    19 For the wisdom of this age is foolishness with God. As it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness.”

    Christians believe that Jesus according the to biblical faith is the Redeemer, he was not a philosopher.

    Physical excercises are fine, but in the end they will not save you according to he biblical faith.

  76. Truth Seeker says:

    @Stenly
    You said

    ……………….Jesus Christ was born of a virgin……………..

    Why? How is it sin having father but having mother is not sin.

    ____________died for the world___________

    How he died for me and my family and my country? This is false to say he died for whole world.

    _____________Stop equating Jesus with any other religious leader, teacher, deity, swami, guru, prophet, etc___________

    Where I compared Jesus any religious leader? Having Religion in itself way to doom.

  77. stanley says:

    Let every non- christian know this: Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died for the world, was buried and ROSE AGAIN FROM THE DEAD….
    Stop equating Jesus with any other religious leader, teacher, deity, swami, guru, prophet, etc…. If there is any religious leader out there whose grave or tomb is empty…let them speak up or shut up!

  78. stanley says:

    You should be calling yourself Truth Finder- not truth seeker. You don’t even know what that term son of God means, because you don’t know who the true God is.
    You think Jesus came to start a religion?
    He came to save lost sinners….. so if you cannot see yourself as a sinner from the perspective of the true GOD (not your man-made deities), stop wasting your time commenting of Jesus.
    Let me repeat: The question of this post is : Who will go to Hell?
    Create a new post if you want to discuss other issues of religion- don’t mix everything up.
    For your sake I will repeat: Is there any reader here who is perfect in though, word, deed, let them step up and talk about heaven and hell.
    The God who created heaven and hell and made His terms clear on who goes to either place…. stick to the rules.
    No person can enter another country without permission from the host country, so what makes you think everyone and anyone can just enter heaven willy nilly- you need permission from the owner.
    If you don’t want to believe, that’s your choice- face the consequences.
    Unless you repent, you will die in your sins, so stop using religion to cover up your sin

  79. Truth Seeker says:

    @All

    True son of God were Rishi Patanjali author of Yog Darshan, Rishi Kapil Author of Sankhya Philosophy, Rishi Guatam Author of Nayay Phillosphy, Rishi Vyas Author Uttar Mimans and many more Rishi who reached the state of Samaadhi. Jesus was not even 10% of these Rishi in wisdom. These Rishi came to earth thousands of year before birth of Jesus.
    I laugh on stupidity of People who called Bible is Gold mine of knowledge. These people never have a look on Yog Darshan, Sankhya Darshan. Bible is not even 5% of Yog Darshan & Sankhya Philosophy. If anyone doubts on my claims please read Yog Darshan I am giving link though there are many discrepancies in translation but even than far batter from Bible.

    https://archive.org/details/yogadaranasutra00patagoog

    If anyone have guts to disapprove single word written by of Rishi Patanjli I am ready to accept his religion While Bible is full absurdity.

    Note: Doing Physical exercises, Breathing techniques is not Yoga. For more details please have a look 196 Sutra of Yog Darshan.

  80. Ron says:

    Indians claim not to be racist. But the surprising thing is that Indians (not all but many in the rural areas and the some of the upper castes in the urban areas) are racist to their own countrymen. I have seen this personally in my visits to South Asia.

    In fact, the African students association in India which is fraternity for African students say they have had experienced more racism in India then elsewhere in the West.

    I researched Seva Bharati and just learnt that it is affiliated with the RSS, HSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal etc. which are all communal organizations. It is doing some social work but is actually promoting hatred.

    Check out this book “scarred: An experiment with violence”
    https://books.google.ca/books?id=cQPdGXeh31AC&pg=PA275&lpg=PA275&dq=seva+bharati+communal&source=bl&ots=XzoiBsv2xw&sig=EdlQ82SnFOtwDS1cVC8usjkim-w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmz9ffz57PAhUI5IMKHfwAD30Q6AEIOjAE#v=onepage&q=seva%20bharati%20communal&f=false

    This book written by Hindus (who are secular) explains the twisting of History and indoctrination of minds. This is NOT good in the long run. Also the hatred in this Seva Bharati organization against fellow human beings Muslims and Christians is unjustified.

    The Book tell about Lord Adam Patel who was a labour party MP in Britain who galvanized donations for Seva Bharati and then found out that the organization aims were not social work but they were so communal and racist and hatred filled (page 274, 275) that Adam Patel left the patron ship of this hatred perpetuating communal organization.

    The book tells you about the re-writing and of twisting history and instilling hatred in young people’s mind. If people use profanity and expletives it is because of this indoctrination of hate by organizations like RSS, VHP, Seva Bharati, Muslim League, Hamas, Hezbollah and Taliban.

    Also note all the above do social work but also instill and practice hatred.
    The Book tells about the strong arm tactics and goons used to instill fear and chase away genuine relief workers in calamity zones like Orissa cyclone and Gujarat earthquake.

    The Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram is another offshoot of the communal RSS.

    J Nehru the first PM of India clearly said that India is democracy and the threat to this democracy is ALWAYS from the majority (Hindus) which is true historically all over the world.

    In 2006 The India People Tribunal under Justice Usha found that RSS, Bajrang Dal and the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram are spreading hate, persecuting Christians and Muslims, and other minorities.

    Chanel 4 of Britain sent a fact finding mission to India and corroborated all the hatred, persecution of minorities and sectarian activities of Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, RSS, Bajrang Dal etc.

    Hitler and Mussolini did the same thing, spread hate, fear, change textbooks, re-write history, persecute minorities and blame minorities, consolidate power, curb democracy.

    The majority will always be a threat to democracy.

    Only love can change people For that you need Christ. Win the Muslims with the love of Christ.

  81. Face_The_Truth says:

    Below I made a mistake by posting on the wrong thread.

    Please accept my sincere apology.

  82. Face_The_Truth says:

    In American colleges and universities, non-Muslim academics typically take the most preferable views towards Sûfîs and Sûfîsm and the “likes of Mansûr al’Hallãj, Bãyazîd Bistãmî, Jalāl ud’Dīn Muhammad Rûmî, and Farīd ud’Dīn Attãr.

    The common name which is used for these early Sûfîs as well as for the teeming breed belonging to the latter-day Silsilas, has caused no end of confusion.

    SO FAR AS INDIA IS CONCERNED, IT IS DIFFICULT TO FIND A SÛFÎ WHOSE CONSCIOUSNESS HARBORED EVEN A TRACE OF ANY SPIRITUALITY.

    By and large, the Sûfîs that functioned in this Indian subcontinent were the most fanatic and fundamentalist activists of Islamic imperialism, the same as the latter-day Christian missionaries in the context of Spanish and Portuguese Christian imperialism.

    Small wonder that we find Sûfîs flocking everywhere ahead or with or in the wake of Islamic armies.

    Sûfîs of the Chishtîyya Silsila in particular excelled in going ahead of these armies and acting as eyes and ears of the Islamic establishment.

    The Hindûs in places where these Sûfîs settled, particularly in the South, failed to understand the true character of these Sûfîs till it was too late!

    The invasions of South India by the armies of Alãu’d-Dîn Khaljî and Muhammad bin Tughlaq can be placed in their proper perspective only when we survey the Sûfî network in South India.

    Many Sûfîs were sent in all directions by Nizãmu’d-Dîn Awliyã, the Chistîyya luminary of Delhi; all of them actively participated in Jihãds against the local Hindû population.

    Nizãmu’d-Dîn’s leading disciple, Nasîru’d-Dîn Chirãg-i-Dihlî, exhorted the Sûfîs to serve the Islamic state.

    ‘The essence of Sûfîsm,’ Nasîru’d-Dîn Chirãg-i-Dihlî versified, ‘is not an external garment. Gird up your loins to serve the Sultãn and be a Sûfî.’

    Nasîru’d-Dîn’s leading disciple, Syed Muhammad Husainî Bãndã Nawãz Gesûdarãz (1321-1422 A.D.), went to Gulbarga for helping the contemporary Bahmani Muslim Sultan in consolidating Islamic power in the Deccan (i.e., South India).

    Shykh Nizãmu’d-Dîn Awliyã’s dargãh in Delhi continued to be and remains till today the most important center of Islamic fundamentalism in India.

    An estimate of what the Sûfîs did wherever and whenever they could, can be formed from the account of a pilgrimage which a pious Muslim Nawwãb undertook in 1823 to the holy places of Islam in the Chingleput, South Acort, Thanjavur, Tiruchirapalli, and North Arcot districts of Tamil Nadu.

    This region had experienced renewed Islamic invasion after the breakdown of the Vijayanagar Empire in 1565 A.D.

    Many Sûfîs had flocked in for destroying Hindû temples and converting the Hindû population, particularly the Qãdirîyyas who had been fanning out all over South India after establishing their stronghold at Bidar in the fifteenth century A.D.

    Sûfîs did not, however, achieve any notable success in terms of conversions, but the havoc they wrought with Hindû temples can be inferred from a large number of ruins, loose sculptures scattered all over the area, inscriptions mentioning many temples which cannot be traced, and the proliferation of mosques, Khãnkahs, dargãhs, mazãrs, and maqbaras.”

    Famous Sûfî biography of Shykh Khwãja Mu’în al’Dîn Chishtî of Ajmer (Rajasthan) tell us the following:

    “The other miracle is that before Shykh Khwãja Mu’în al’Dîn Chishtî’s arrival the whole of Hindûstãn was submerged by unbelief and idol-worship.

    All India was IGNORANT of orders of religion and law.

    All were IGNORANT of Allãh and His Prophet.

    None had seen the Ka’ba.

    None had heard of the Greatness of Allãh.

    Because of Shykh Khwãja Mu’în al’Dîn Chishtî’s coming, the Sun of real believers, the helper of religion, Khwãja Mu’în al-dîn, the darkness of unbelief in this land was illumined by the light of Islãm.

    In the land where there were the sayings of the idol-worshippers, there is the sound of ‘Allãhu Akbar’.

    The descendants of those who were converted to Islãm in this land will live until the Day of Judgement; so too will those who bring others into the fold of Islãm by the sword of Islãm.

    Although at that time there were very many temples of idols around,,,, when Khwãja Mu’în al-dîn saw them, Khwãja Mu’în al-dîn said:

    ‘If Allãh and His Prophet so will, it will not be long before I raze to the ground these idol temples.’

    It is said that among those temples there was one temple to reverence which the Rãjã and all the infidels used to come, and lands had been assigned to provide for its expenditure.

    When the Khwãja Mu’în al-dîn settled there, every day Khwãja Mu’în al-dîn’s servants bought a cow, brought it there and slaughtered it and ate it.

    Khwãja Mu’în al-dîn had a second wife for the following reason:

    One night Khwãja Mu’în al-dîn saw the Holy Prophet in the flesh.

    The Holy Prophet said: ‘You are not truly of my religion if you depart in any way from my Sunnat.’

    It happened that the ruler of the Patli Fort, Malik Khitãb, attacked the unbelievers (i.e., Hindûs) that night and captured the daughter of the Rãjã of that land.

    Malik Khitãb presented the captured daughter of the Rãjã to Khwãja Mu’în al-dîn who accepted her and named her Bîbî Umiya.”

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/

  83. @Mr Face_The_Truth you responded to what you perceived were attacks on Hinduism, but used foul language. Always decent & dignified language should be used.
    @Ron you need to become just a bit more broadminded and understand that no one is inferior or superior, Hindus, Buddhists do not go to Hell merely for worshiping idols & more than one God. While it is fine to believe in Jesus as the Saviour, those who do not believe so are no less mortals.
    Now the debate here should end. Follow any religion you want, so long as you don’t harm others. Let others live in peace & leave them alone.

  84. stanley says:

    The first book in the Bible states that there was a Creator, who created everything in a perfect state, yet He also gave man the free will to choose His way or not. Through temptation man fell and sin entered and ruled the hearts of every man since.
    God in his love for his creation had a plan of redeeming man, and we read that plan in the pages of the Bible, first choosing a man called Abraham and through him and his descendants the Israelites, the long- awaited redeemer or Messiah of whom the prophets centuries before promised would come, finally came around 2000 years ago in the person we know as Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life , died for our sins, and then rose again from the dead to finally destroy the power of death that had imprisoned man since creation…
    All his followers are to declare this good news to the whole world, which Christians are doing now.
    The end of the ages will come when Jesus returns and set up His glorious Kingdom where there will be no sin, but righteousness and holiness and where Jesus Christ rules as King.

    God has given the prophetic words in the Old testament of the Bible for anyone who doubts Him, to check the prophecies that have been fulfilled throughout history, so one can come to a point of belief that this God of the Bible is the true one, even though in our finite and limited minds we will never comprehend Him fully.
    Obviously if anyone can tell beforehand historical events hundreds or thousand years before it’s fulfillment, then we can at least confess there is a supernatural factor involved.

    A simple google quest regarding prophecies of Jesus, re-establishment of the state of Israel, modern inventions, rise and fall of world empires…will to the honest seeker prove the truth of Bible prophecies.

    Nobody can prove god to anyone…. it is by faith, but it is faith based on facts.
    If you want to really know the truth, then you must seek it with all your heart till you find.

  85. Truth Seeker says:

    @Ali Sina/Ron

    One more thing I like to add in my Question
    1 What is your view point from a perfect, eternal, everlasting, unchangeable, All-knowing God; knowledge / teaching emanated from him must be eternal, everlasting, perfect, unchangeable? What is your view point?

    2. What is your view point if God is engineer of universe and he sent the souls in the world to experience it then question arises knowledge how to experience world, how to live there, how universe is made, who are souls, who is God such type of knowledge must be provided just after arrival of Humans on earth or God provide such knowledge long after of humans arrival on earth or in ending stage of universe dissolution in cause.

  86. Truth Seeker says:

    @Ali Sina/Ron

    What is your view point from a perfect, eternal, everlasting, unchangeable, All-knowing God; knowledge / teaching emanated from him must be eternal, everlasting, perfect, unchangeable? What is your view point?

  87. stanley says:

    You are not being a good Hindu by displaying all this vulgarity…what is wrong with you brother…..curb your emotions, no matter how angry you are- take time to cool down. It is no use defending Hinduism ideologically yet denying it’s teachings in practice.
    Ron is not using obscenities, neither should you.
    Anyway, can you imagine if after your last post, you dropped down dead and appeared before the judge of the universe to account for your words, and if there was a heaven and a hell…where do you think you are going to go? Heaven? No way…. you cannot have vulgarity in a place like that…
    What you believe and practice now determines your destiny..
    Even if Brahma judged your thoughts, words, and actions by your own Hindu belief system, you will fail the test.

    Although I am offended by you cursing Jesus, still that same Jesus offers His love and forgiveness to you. You don’t need anyone to tell you that you are a sinner- as I’m sure that you already proven that by your posts, so you have answered in action the question of this post: Who will go to hell? Everyone that is not going to heaven- all sinners.

    You remind me a lot of my elder brother, who when we became Christians he got very angry at this ‘white man’s god”‘- and he used go on the road and swear Jesus, using obscenities publicly.
    Today, he is telling others of this same Jesus.
    Jesus said…”” whoever sins is a slave to sin, and sin is his master”;
    Therefore we all that are sinners should repent before God Almighty and live holy lives by his power.

  88. Ron says:

    Genghis Khan did not fight much with Islamic hordes. Hulagu Khan his grandson had a Christian wife. She turned Hulagu to ally with the European Christians (French) against the Muslims.

    We don’t know how much support Hulagu got from the Christian Europe but historians know that his wife had a good influence on Hulagu who defeated the Muslim Arabs and conquered Baghdad. He killed the Muslim defenders of Baghdad city but spared the lives of all the Christians. In fact, he converted one of the palaces in Baghdad to become a church.

    Later on the Mongol Khan dynasty had broken in 4 parts all ruled by descendants of Genghis. 3 of the 4 rulers of Khan kingdoms became Muslim.

    The above proves what I said before. Islam has generally won against pagans and Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists but lost against Christians.

    Imperialist but Christian Europe stopped the advance of Muslims in Africa. They also defeated the Mughals and stopped the advance of Islam in India.

    The King of Kashmir was a Hindu who ruled a large Muslim population not by his military strength but because of British protection and treaty.

    Mughals ruled a great part of India from Delhi. There were also Muslim rulers Hyderabad, Mysore, Bengal, Awadh etc. Without defeating Hindu kings, they (Muslims) could not rule.

    We should thank the British who defeated the Muslims and stopped Islamization of India otherwise right now you would be speaking in favor of Islam.

  89. Ron says:

    @Unknown Scholar, Truth Seeker, others searching for the truth.

    What you don’t understand is that service to the sick, diseased, and lowest members of the society is missing in Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam.

    In Nepal where the population is 90% Hindu and about 8% Buddhist and less than 1% Christians again the leprosy homes are run by Christians (many of them from NZ and Australia).

    No RSS, VHP, Arya Samaj, Sanathana Dharma, BJP, Congress, Muslim, Sikh or Buddhist groups will do these type of social service to the least of our brethren.

    These Christians will treat you irrespective of your faith (freely), love you, hug you, clean you, clean your poo and pee. It is NOT POSSIBLE to have this sort of COMPASSION without Christ in you.

    Christian foreigners take the trouble and come to India and other third world countries and help work with the downtrodden, sick, destitute, aids and lepers at the cost of danger to their own health and lives (danger from disease and danger from being burnt /killed by Hindu/Buddhist/Islamic fanatics) depletion of their own wealth (they rely on mostly Christian donations).

    In Hinduism /Buddhism you will blame this on present or past Karma or luck and NOT DO anything. In fact, the Hindu /Muslim fanatics not only use profanity and foul-mouthed, they persecute and kill these missionaries.

    This is because when you believe in demonic gods and you don’t have Christ in you, you will only have profanity, hatred and NO generosity and NO compassion towards fellow human beings.

    These lepers when cured many of them become Christians. Christianity is NEVER forced as you CAN have a Christian name, be BORN to Christian Parents, GO to Christian Church but you cannot earn your way to heaven works. You have to accept Jesus and follow his commandments.

    This true faith in Jesus will automatically produce good WORKS of COMPASSION, LOVE, GENROSITY etc.
    Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam CANNOT produce it. You will only be a taker and rarely a giver.

    Check out and profile the food donation dropping outlets and food donation receiving outlets. Are Indians/Pakistanis/South Asians, Arabs and Asians giving donations? NEVER.

    Check out whether any Indians/Pakistanis/South Asians, Arabs and Asians EVER fosters or ADOPT a black African child? NEVER.

    All adoption of black kids are done by blacks or whites and no-one else and that too they ARE MOSTLY CHRISTIAN parents.

    Without Christ in you, you will ONLY have hate, NEVER be compassionate, NEVER be GENEROUS.

    It is just NOT POSSIBLE to be GENUINELY COMPASSIONATE, GENEROUS, LOVING, CARING without Christ.

    Christ is the way the truth and life.

  90. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_MOTH**FU**ER:

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    THIS IS THE LAST TIME I AM WASTING MY TIME IN REPLYING TO YOU –RON_THE_CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    BECAUSE, NO MATTER HOW MANY POSTS OTHER WRITERS HAVE WRITTEN TO REFUTE AND NULLIFY YOUR EVERY FALSE STATEMENT, YOU –RON_THE_CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER — WILL REPEAT YOUR SAME OLD FALSE ARGUMENT AGAIN.

    SO, IT’S UTTER USELESS TO REPLY TO YOUR POSTS AND I WILL NOT WASTE MY TIME AGAIN.

    [Muslims could defeat pagans, fire-worshippers, Buddhists and Hindus as they went on a rampage with the sword since the advent of Mohamed.]

    NO, MUSLIMS COULD NOT DEFEAT THE “HINDUS”.

    IF MUSLIMS COULD — AS YOU AND BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS PROCLAIM — ALL INDIANS WOULD BE SPEAKING EITHER ARABIC OR FARSI TODAY.

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    [They conquered all the neighbouring land areas including North Africa, Iran, a large part of India etc. But they failed to conquer Christian Europe. They did make forays in some border areas but were largely unsuccessful and were thwarted.]

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    MUSLIMS CONQUERED INDIAN SUBCONTINENT BECAUSE “HINDU” RAJAS ALLOWED ARAB MUSLIMS TO SETTLE FREELY IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

    DURING EARLY MEDIEVAL TIME, “HINDU” RAJAS CONSIDERED ISLAM JUST ANOTHER RELIGION LIKE THEIR OWN WHERE ALL “HINDU” PEOPLE LIVE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

    BUT, MUSLIMS ARE OF A DIFFERENT FAITH THAT REQUIRES MUSLIMS TO BEHEAD, RAPE, ARSON, AND LOOT NON-MUSLIMS’ LAND AND PROPERTIES AND TEMPLES, WHICH INDIAN SO MANY “HINDUS” FAIL TO UNDERSTAND.

    STOP LYING YOUR BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALIST LIES.

    MUSLIMS CONQUERED SPAIN AND, IN FACT, ISLAMIC ATROCITIES IN EUROPE WAS WORLD RENOWNED.

    IT WAS PAGAN WARRIORS NAMELY GENGHIS HAAN AND HIS GRANDSON HULEGU HAAN WHO DESTROYED ISLAM IN 13TH CENTURY AND, IN FACT, HULEGU HAAN BEHAEDED ISLAM’S CALIPH IN BAGHDAD AND STOPPED ISLAM’S MARCH BEFORE ISLAM MADE WAY TO NORTHERN EUROPE.

    CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM DO NOT LIKE PAGAN HISTORY OF GENGHIS HAAN.

    CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM ARE SIMILAR RELIGIONS.

    MEDIEVAL CHRISTIANS DID NOT FINISH THE CRUSADES, BECAUSE CHRISTIANS IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS SIMILAR TO ISLAMIC WAYS OF FALSEHOOD THROUGH AND THROUGH.

    TO THIS DAY, CHRISTIANS WASH THE FEET OF MUSLIMS.

    CHRISTIANS NEVER WASHED THE FEET OF PAGAN “HINDUS” TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

    BECAUSE, EARLY CHRISTIANITY WAS BUILT ON THE SITES OF DESTROYED PAGAN TEMPLES.

    TO THIS DAY, CHRISTIANS PRACTICE SIMILAR FALSEHOOD AS MUSLIMS DO.

    [But now when Europe and other nations are becoming secular and atheist they are getting easily defeated or are facing a tough time dealing with Islam.]

    IF A PERSON CAN THINK, S/HE WILL REJECT YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST.

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    EVERY CHRISTIAN SHOULD READ THE FOLLOWING BOOKS:

    WILLIAM BENJAMIN SMITH, “ECCE DEUS: STUDIES OF PRIMITIVE CHRISTIANITY”, LONDON, 1912

    WILL DURANT, “THE STORY OF CIVILIZATION, PART III, CAESAR AND CHRIST”, FOURTH PRINTING, NEW YORK, 1944

    PAUL JOHNSON, “A HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY”, PENGUIN BOOKS, LONDON, 1978

    IAN WILSON, “JESUS: THE EVIDENCE”, PAN BOOKS, 1985

    MICHAEL ARNHEIM, “IS CHRISTIANITY TRUE?”, LONDON, 1984

    G.A. WELLS, “DID JESUS EXIST?”, LONDON, 1986

    L. GORDON RYLANDS, “DID JESUS EVER LIVE?”, WATTS & CO., LONDON, 1929

    [USSR, NATO, US, Britain etc. have difficulty controlling Afghanistan and the Taliban is resurging again in the rural areas of Afghanistan.]

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    THE REAL REASON BEHIND YOUR STATEMENT IS CHRISTIANS DO NOT WANT TO DESTROY ISLAM IN GENERAL AND MUSLIMS IN PARTICULAR.

    THAT’S PRECISELY WHY USSR, NATO, US, AND UK ARE/WERE HAVING DIFFICULTY.

    IT DOESN’T TAKE YEARS TO DESTROY JIHADIST MUSLIMS AS IT DID NOT TAKE EVEN 5 YEARS FOR AMERICA AND RUSSIA TO DESTROY NAZI GERMANY.

    [Britain when largely Christian successfully ruled/controlled the region (Afghanistan and the NWFP areas of Pakistan) and its warlords until the empire decided to decolonize. Now Britain and the West when it is largely secular and atheist are struggling against a resurgent Islam.]

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS CREATED “PAKISTAN” IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    AMERICAN GOVT. CREATED TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN.

    AMERICAN CIA CREATED THE VACUUM IN PERSIA FOR SHI’ITE AYAT’ALLAHS TO CREATE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN.

    IN EVERY GEO-POLITICAL SCENARIO, IT IS THE CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE CREATED THE MESS THAT WE ARE IN TODAY.

    [The British State and the French State did not actively support to Christianise the indigenous population but allowed missionaries to preach. The Portuguese and the Spanish did Christianize the local population.]

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS NEEDED “HINDUS”, GURKHAS, AND SIKHS TO FIGHT AGAINST MUSLIM RULERS INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

    SO, BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS DID NOT OVERTLY PROPAGATE CHRISTIANITY TO KEEP “HINDUS”, GURKHAS, AND SIKHS TO FIGHT MUSLIM RULERS WHEREAS PORTUGUESE AND SPANISH OVERTLY PROSELYTIZED AND CONVERTED “HINDUS” TO CHRISTIANITY, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT WHERE MUSLIM RULERS WERE NOT PRESENT IN THE SOUTHERN INDIA BY THE TIME OF THE ARRIVAL OF PORTUGUESE AND SPANISH.

    WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ABOVE IS FROM WELL DOCUMENTED HISTORY.

    WE ALWAYS DO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT IN GEOGRAPHICAL PERSPECTIVE IN ANY SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD.

    BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS DID ALL THEY COULD TO CHRISTIANIZE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT BY CONVERTING PROMINENT “HINDUS” IN BENGAL PRESIDENCY WHEN BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS HAD A CHANCE.

    WHEREVER BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS COULD NOT ACCOMPLISH THE CHRISTIANIZATION OF “HINDUS”, BRITISH CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS SUPPORTED MUSLIMS TO MURDER “HINDUS” AND PROPAGATED ISLAM INSTEAD TO SUBJUGATE “HINDUS”.

    [So you can see that wherever these Latinos ruled Christianity spread.]

    THAT’S BECAUSE THE NATIVE NON-CHRISTIAN POPULATION COULD NOT FIGHT BACK AND COULD NOT WIN WITH THEIR OWN ANCIENT “RELIGIONS”.

    ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY ARE OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE SAME COIN WHEN IT COMES TO SUBJUGATING PAGANS.

    PAGANS LIKE “HINDUS” AND SIKHS FOUGHT HARD TO RETAIN THEIR FOREFATHERS’ FAITHS.

    RANA PRATAP, CHHATRAPATI SHIVAJI, BAPPA RAWAL, PESHWA BAJIRAO, AND GURU GOVIND SINGH FOUGHT LIKE LIONS AGAINST MUSLIM INVADERS AND THAT’S WHY ALL INDIANS TODAY DO NOT SPEAK ARABIC AND FARSI.

    WHEREVER “HINDUS” ROSE WITH ARMS, MUSLIM INVADERS COULD NOT SETTLE FOR LONG.

    EVERY “HINDU” SHOULD READ “THE HINDU RESISTANCE” BY ASHOK JOSHI, 2000, WHICH SHOWS — REGION BY REGION — ISLAMIC INVADERS’ FAILURES IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT TIME AFTER TIME.

    BUT, CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ERS DO NOT CITE “HINDU” VICTORIES, RATHER FALSIFY INDIAN HISTORY BY TELLING US TO THIS DAY THAT “TAJ MAHAL” (I.E., TEJO MAHALAYA) AND RED FORT WERE BUILT BY THEIR MEDEIVAL MUSLIM BROTHERS.

    CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ERS TELL US THAT ONLY CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM INVADERS COULD RULE “HINDUS” OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

    [Hindus/Sikhs ran away from Pakistan during the partition. The Christians over there did not.]

    BECAUSE, CHRISTIANS COLLABORATED WITH MUSLIMS TO CREATE “PAKISTAN”.

    [Many Muslims ran away from India during partition but the Christians did not.]

    BECAUSE, WE HAD A “HINDU” TRAITOR NAMED M.K. GANDHI WHO PROTECTED CHRISTIANS BY CLAIMING THAT CHRISTIANS FOLLOW THE SAME SUPREME BEING AS “HINDUS” DO.

    AVERAGE INDIAN “HINDUS” WERE FOOLED BY M.K. GANDHI AND HIS FOLLOWERS.

    [Hindus ran away from Kashmir Valley after 1948 but the tiny population of Christians did not.]

    BECAUSE, MUSLIMS HAVEN’T BRUTALIZED CHRISTIANS IN KASHMIR VALLEY YET.

    [In fact, you will still find Christian missionaries boldly preaching in Kashmir even now.]

    IT’S BECAUSE “HINDUS” (I.E., INDIAN MILITARY) CONTROL THE AREAS.

    CHRISTIANS CANNOT BOLDLY PREACH IN MUSLIM-CONTROLLED AREAS LIKE PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH WHERE MUSLIMS DO NOT HESITATE TO MURDER CHRISTIAN PREACHERS.

    [Jesus is the way to salvation and accepting Jesus as your Saviour and Lord.]

    NO, CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST WAS A SON OF WHORE.

    [That is important rather having a nation with Christian names and people doing sinful activities.]

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    EVERY CHRISTIAN SHOULD READ THE FOLLOWING BOOKS:

    WILLIAM BENJAMIN SMITH, “ECCE DEUS: STUDIES OF PRIMITIVE CHRISTIANITY”, LONDON, 1912

    WILL DURANT, “THE STORY OF CIVILIZATION, PART III, CAESAR AND CHRIST”, FOURTH PRINTING, NEW YORK, 1944

    PAUL JOHNSON, “A HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY”, PENGUIN BOOKS, LONDON, 1978

    IAN WILSON, “JESUS: THE EVIDENCE”, PAN BOOKS, 1985

    MICHAEL ARNHEIM, “IS CHRISTIANITY TRUE?”, LONDON, 1984

    G.A. WELLS, “DID JESUS EXIST?”, LONDON, 1986

    L. GORDON RYLANDS, “DID JESUS EVER LIVE?”, WATTS & CO., LONDON, 1929

    [Christianity is growing in India, China and Russia etc. Wherever Christianity grows that country progresses. (South and North Korea had the least Christian population (less than 1%) when they split after the Korean wars in the 1950s. ]

    STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN_MOTH**FU**ER.

    IT’S A SAD STORY THAT SO MANY GULLIBLE PEOPLE ARE FALLING VICTIMS TO CHRISTIANITY AGAIN.

    LONG BEFORE THE ADVENT OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM, WORLD’ S PEOPLE LIVED NO WORSE.

    [North Korea chose communism, allowed Buddhism, but restricted Christianity and is now broke.]

    CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM COME AS A PEACEFUL “RELIGION”, BUT THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL IS SUBVERSION AND TO SUBJUGATE AND DESTROY OTHER RELIGIOUS PEOPLE’S TEMPLES, LANDS, AND PROPERTIES.

    [South Korea chose democracy allowed freedom of religion and Christianity flourished. South Korea is now 50% Christian and growing. The Largest church in the world is in Korea. It sends out the second highest number of missionaries in the world. It is global economic power and is among the 10 richest countries in the world by GDP.]

    IT’S SAD TO HEAR THAT SO MANY SOUTH KOREANS HAVE STARTED FOLLOW YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST INSTEAD OF THEIR ANCIENT FAITHS.

    WORLD’S PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT JESUS F**KING CHRIST WAS A SON OF A WHORE.

    [The Third largest church in the world is in India. You can’t stop it. Christianity grows when persecuted. Calvary Temple-Biggest church built in shortest time in the world (52 days).]

    “HINDUS” — BY NATURE — DO NOT STOP OTHER FAITHS AS FALSE AS CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM ARE.

    CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS MURDERED INDIAN “HINDUS” NONETHELESS.

  91. stanley says:

    Stop cherry picking the details, if you are going to believe one part of the story, believe the whole story…on what grounds do you choose to reject certain aspects of the recorded event- at least be a honest seeker of truth…
    When it came to try and trick Jesus they used the question of tax, and marriage, and the law of Moses.
    On what basis could they have stoned Jesus when the crowd was on his side and they were celebrating passover? They needed the Romans to do the dirty work…(very similiar to how satan uses humans to do the same!)
    Have you forgotten that early in his ministry the crowd tried to throw Jesus down the cliff- but they could not?
    You are missing the most important factors in Jesus’ life, and that is that he came to fulfill prophecy and scripture regarding his life, death and resurrection written centuries before”. (off course you don’t believe in miracles)
    ‘”Cursed is every one that hangs upon a tree'”
    ‘” As Moses lifted up the serpent so must the Son of Man be lifted up'”

  92. Steve says:

    Stanley

    “Steve…Jews did not practice stoning? Are you sure Steve? ever heard about the first Christian martyr called Steven? Do you know how he died?…If you don’t please read the account in the book of Acts….after all your name is derived from the root of his name.
    But I’m sure you will discard that story as propaganda or lies from Christians” So that is why the Jews bothered to take Jesus to Pilate instead of just stoning him themselves? Read the story the Jews had no intention of stoning the women their interest was in tricking Jesus.

  93. stanley says:

    Who is this God who says concerning the those who worship idols:

    16Half of it he burns in the fire; over this half he eats meat as he roasts a roast and is satisfied. He also warms himself and says, “Aha! I am warm, I have seen the fire.” 17But the rest of it he makes into a god, his graven image. He falls down before it and worships; he also prays to it and says, “Deliver me, for you are my god.” 18They do not know, nor do they understand, for He has smeared over their eyes so that they cannot see and their hearts so that they cannot comprehend.…

    Recorded by the prophet Isaiah- chapter 44 approx. 750BC

  94. A.H. says:

    @Unknown Scholar

    “The Holy Bible is the Word of God, ”

    Yes, christians believe the bible is the word of God.

    But the bible is a written testimony, it has to be interpreted.

    This is the problem with any book, different interpreters with different interpretations (even contradicting interpretations), who is right, if God is thruth then his Word must be truth).

    “To be obeyed by all, without question.

    The early christians believed, as you can read in Mat 16, that Jesus founded a Church and appointed leaders, a centalised living Body of teachers. This is called the Magisterium of the Church and will have the final word about belief and morals. The early christians believed that the Church was divinely established by the God-man Jesus for all ages and they believed that submiitting to Church was submitting to God without question.

    In the link below you can read what the Church believes throughout the ages.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

    It will answer the most of your questions, if not, contact a local priest.

  95. @Ron According to an article given here the following things are true http://islamandchristianitybeliefs.blogspot.in/2013/08/beliefs-of-islam-and-christianity.html :

    ” Both Islam and Christianity have the following Common Beliefs:

    i) God is jealous. Worship of God in the form of an Idol or any other Symbol like Sun, Moon, Stars, Earth, Ocean, Rivers, etc. is equivalent to worshipping somebody other than the One God. This arouses jealousy of the One God who inflicts severe punishment for this type of worship. Hindus who worship God in many forms including Nature, are the worst offenders according to Christianity and Mohammedanism. Hindus are called Heathens, Pagans, Condemned ones, infidels, idolaters, Kaffirs, etc., deserving severe punishment, torture and extermination wherever possible.

    ii) Christians and Muslims have both entered into Covenants with God, by which each religious community has received an Exclusive, Irrevocable Power of Attorney from God that its way of worship alone is right, that after death they alone will go to Heaven, others will go to Hell. Of course, the way of worship by Christians is different from that of Muslims. However, both communities claim Exclusive Rights. Believers of Islam become Non-Believers for Christianity and vice-versa.

    iii) This Heaven for Believers is eternal, and the Hell for Non-Believers is also eternal. Once in Heaven, their enjoyments are eternal; once in Hell, others’ sufferings are also eternal.

    iv) There will come a Day of Judgement when all the dead ones will rise and stand before God to get the verdict of either Eternal Heaven or Eternal Hell.

    In addition to their Common Beliefs, the Christians and Muslims have also their own special Beliefs. Some of those are outlined below:

    Special Beliefs of Christianity

    i) Birth by routine sex relationship between husband and wife is a sin. As such, we common people are all sinners. Jesus Christ was born to Virgin Mary, without routine sexual relationship; hence his birth is free from sin.

    ii) Jesus Christ is SON of God. Jesus is the Only Son of God; God has no other Son, nor shall he have any other son or daughter. Hence, Christ is the only way of communication with God.

    iii) Jesus rose to life a few days after his Death on the Cross. This Resurrection is a proof of His Divinity.

    iv) Through crucification, Jesus has paid for the redemption of all sins of all his followers (Christians), at all places, for all time to come. Hence, Jesus is the right and sure way for human salvation.

    v) Jesus has given all Authority to the Church. What Church commands is the LAW for the human race, both on Earth and in Heaven; no one should question it. Any deviation from the command of the Church is violation of God’s Law and hence punishable, as per by God’s Decree. Church is the only authority in respect of Spiritual and Secular matters of human beings. All other Rules of conduct are the violation of Divine God’s Command.

    vi) Jesus is the Way, the only Way, to reach God.

    vii) Those who Believe in Jesus as the only Way are assured of eternal paradise of pleasure after death; others are condemned persons on this Earth, who will go to eternal hell of fire after death. As such, the human race has been divided into two classes of “Holy Believers” and “Unholy Others”; Holy Christians, Unholy Non-Christians.

    viii) It is the spiritual, religious duty of the Christian Church and of every individual Christian to convert others to Christianity. Through this conversion, they are doing good to every non-Christian in as much as they are taking him out of false religion and false ways of worship to the only true religion (Christianity); they are saving the condemned unholy person and bringing him into the holy group of Christians, under the protection of the Shepherd Christ and his Authorised Agency (Christian Church).

    ix) Idol-worship or Symbol-worship including worship of Sun, Moon, Stars, etc. particularly of Non-Christian idols/Symbols, is un-acceptable to Jealous God; Such worship annoys Jealous God and he sends his severe punishment for such worship.

    x) The Holy Bible is the Word of God, to be obeyed by all, without question.”

    Are the above claims true?

  96. “It is because Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims DO NOT have that spirit of charity and compassion as they DO NOT have Jesus and His Holy Spirit in their hearts.”

    One should not generalize any community as lacking compassion or empathy. There are people of all religions who do charity. You can see people like Ratan Tata, one of India’s richest industrialists who gives more than one-third of is profit to charity. Cricketer Sachin Tendulkar who has run many orphanges & given so much to charity out of his earnings, and that too keeping a low profile. Organizations like Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, Sewa Bharati (India), Sewa Bharati (USA) have done and are doing tremendous work for the poor people. There are selfless social workers like Baba Amte, Anna Hazare, Dada Patwardhan, Vikas Amte, Prakash Amte etc who are not publicity hungry. One must understand that there are noble & ignoble people in all communities. I know many non-Christians who are very philanthropic, who run many service projects selflessly.

    Let me make it clear that service with ulterior motive (for the purpose of conversion) is no service, but a ploy for conversion. Service for the purpose of service is real service. There are human beings who sincerely try to incarnate the ideals and you can find today in India a few missionaries (such as Father Ceyrac, a French Jesuit, who works mostly with lepers in Tamil Nadu), who are incarnations of that Love, tending tirelessly to people, without trying to convert them. But there are many others who work only for the sake of conversion.

    A born Christian & Frenchman, Francois Gautier had this to say:

    ” When Vasco de Gama landed in Kerala in 1498, he was generously received by the Zamorin, the Hindu king of Calicut, who granted him the right to establish warehouses for commerce. But once again, Hindu tolerance was exploited and the Portuguese wanted more and more. In 1510, Alfonso de Albuquerque seized Goa, where he started a reign of terror, burning ‘heretics,’ crucifying Brahmins, using false theories to forcibly convert the lower castes, razing temples to build churches upon them and encouraging his soldiers to take Indian mistresses. Indeed, the Portuguese perpetrated here (in Goa) some of the worst atrocities ever committed in Asia by Christianity upon another religion. Ultimately, the Portuguese had to be kicked out of India, when all other colonisers had already left… Conversion belongs to the times of colonialism. We have entered in the era of Unity, of coming together, of tolerance and accepting each other as we are — not of converting in the name of one elusive “true” God. When Christianity accepts the right of other people to follow their own beliefs and creeds, then only will Jesus Christ’s spirit truly radiate in the world.”

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/25franc.htm

  97. stanley says:

    Steve…Jews did not practice stoning? Are you sure Steve? ever heard about the first Christian martyr called Steven? Do you know how he died?…If you don’t please read the account in the book of Acts….after all your name is derived from the root of his name.
    But I’m sure you will discard that story as propaganda or lies from Christians!

  98. Ron says:

    @Unknown Scholars, Truth Seeker et al and other non-Christians.

    Our God is a loving God who does not want anyone to go to Hell. That does not mean that nobody will go to Hell and everyone will go to Heaven.

    We choose Hell when we disobey God and break his commandments. In spite of these sins which we humans commit, God has given us a way out and that is to accept Jesus as our Personal Savior believing in the fact that Jesus died for our sins and rose up again.

    I mean our redemption is done by Jesus and we are free from sins but we have to accept it.

    It’s like you are free from prison as your fines have been paid or someone has accepted your faults/sins/crimes on their head but you have to agree and then you are free.

    I know it is a little complex to understand but if you ask God to make you understand it, then God will send His Holy Spirit which will make you understand and also further confirm it through third party sources or dreams and visions.

    This is what has changed many prisoners who now live a life of love, compassion, sacrifice and faith in Jesus.
    You will get a deep compassion of love for fellow humans which you cannot comprehend when you have Jesus and His Holy Spirit in you.

    You will not be able to utter words of hate, use profanity on anyone (even on your worst enemy). (You will get angry and upset but you will be able to control it)

    If you are in the West , I suggest you should go to a local foodbank (collection centre) or any supermarket which has a collection box outside it where people buy groceries and drop food donations (i.e. grocery like cereals, tinned food, pasta, crackers, baby food, diapers etc.).

    Observe it for 1or 2 hours and see and profile which and how many people drop the donations into them.

    Later on go to the foodbank distribution centre and profile which and how many people take free donations home.

    You will notice clearly the following. ( Disclaimer: I am not a racist)

    1) Most of donors will be whites, Christians. Very very few will be other races. (In a black locality you may find black Christians donating and Christian Hispanics donating in Hispanic localities)
    2) There will be NO brown people( Indians, Pakistanis, South Asians) and Very very few Asians (Orientals) donating.

    Now look at the foodbank distribution centre where people receive it.
    1) You will find majority black, Hispanics.
    2) You will find a lot of Arabs, Indians, Pakistanis, South Asians
    3) A little of white families

    If you further profile you will find that most of the non-white donors are Christians.
    Why???

    It is because Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims DO NOT have that spirit of charity and compassion as they DO NOT have Jesus and His Holy Spirit in their hearts..

    There is practically no LEPROSY HOMEs or AIDS HOMES in PAKISTAN, INDIA, NEPAL, BANGLADESH, SRILANKA run by locals.

    Go and visit the leprosy home in Karachi run by a missionary Dr Ruth Pfau a German/Pakistani Christian. Many of the lepers from the streets of Karachi and from all over Pakistan get admitted and/or treated freely. These Muslims, few Hindu lepers patients become Christians on their own. Also there are a lot of Christian run orphanages where the orphans accept Jesus.

    Nobody in Pakistan has accused her of conversions .

    In India the Hindu Government is NOT doing anything for the lepers and aids patients and has fanatic Hindu organizations trying to stop missionaries from taking care of the sick, destitute, lepers, aids patients, orphans etc.

    In India in 1999, fanatic Hindus burnt to death Graham Staines and his two kids who used to run leprosy home in Odisha. Hate cannot produce good works.

    Without Christ in you , there can be ONLY HATE which will result in profanity, foul-mouthed ness, belief in demonic gods, belief in conspiracy theories, hatred towards Christ and Christians.

    Jesus is the way, the truth and life.

  99. Ron says:

    Muslims could defeat pagans, fire-worshippers, Buddhists and Hindus as they went on a rampage with the sword since the advent of Mohamed. They conquered all the neighbouring land areas including North Africa, Iran, a large part of India etc. But they failed to conquer Christian Europe. They did make forays in some border areas but were largely unsuccessful and were thwarted.

    But now when Europe and other nations are becoming secular and atheist they are getting easily defeated or are facing a tough time dealing with Islam. USSR, NATO, US, Britain etc. have difficulty controlling Afghanistan and the Taliban is resurging again in the rural areas of Afghanistan.

    Britain when largely Christian successfully ruled/controlled the region (Afghanistan and the NWFP areas of Pakistan) and its warlords until the empire decided to decolonize. Now Britain and the West when it is largely secular and atheist are struggling against a resurgent Islam.

    The British State and the French State did not actively support to Christianise the indigenous population but allowed missionaries to preach. The Portuguese and the Spanish did Christianize the local population.

    So you can see that wherever these Latinos ruled Christianity spread.

    Hindus/Sikhs ran away from Pakistan during the partition. The Christians over there did not.

    Many Muslims ran away from India during partition but the Christians did not.

    Hindus ran away from Kashmir Valley after 1948 but the tiny population of Christians did not.

    In fact, you will still find Christian missionaries boldly preaching in Kashmir even now.

    Jesus is the way to salvation and accepting Jesus as your Saviour and Lord. That is important rather having a nation with Christian names and people doing sinful activities.

    Christianity is growing in India, China and Russia etc. Wherever Christianity grows that country progresses. (South and North Korea had the least Christian population (less than 1%) when they split after the Korean wars in the 1950s. North Korea chose communism, allowed Buddhism but restricted Christianity and is now broke.

    South Korea chose democracy allowed freedom of religion and Christianity flourished. South Korea is now 50% Christian and growing. The Largest church in the world is in Korea. It sends out the second highest number of missionaries in the world. It is global economic power and is among the 10 richest countries in the world by GDP.

    The Third largest church in the world is in India. You can’t stop it. Christianity grows when persecuted.

    Calvary Temple-Biggest church built in shortest time in the world (52 days)

  100. As born Hindus have converted to Christianity, born Christians & Westerners have also converted to Hinduism. Born Muslims have converted to Christianity & born Christians to Islam. Born Muslims to Hinduism & born Hindus to Islam.

    Scholars have also converted to Hinduism e.g. David Frawley, Annie Besant, Francois Gautier, Beatle George Harrison etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Hinduism_from_Christianity

    There are many who claim Krishna as the same status of Christ. Once we become a bit broadminded, we can see that no religion is from God (neither Hinduism, nor Islam, nor Christianity), and any one can reach God (If He exists) through deeds, not through beliefs.

    Also note that in near-death experiences there are also people who did not see Jesus at all, but saw Hindu Gods (e.g Yama). There are people who felt a spirit like Jesus, but also said that anyone could have called that spirit as Buddha or Krishna too.

    http://www.near-death.com/religion/hinduism.html

  101. @Ron Do not judge a religion’s truth claim by success or defeat. That has to be judged on evidence. Muslims were very successful for many centuries, winning by the sword, but that doesn’t make Islam true. Within a 100 years of Muhammad’s death, the Arabs became masters of a vast land. If you are judging truth value by success, then Christianity has failed in India. Even after 150 years of British rule (from 1800 to 1947) and relentless efforts of missionaries ever after 1947 too to convert Hindus to Christianity, the population of Christians in India is 2.35% or so, while Hindus are still around 80% of India.

    Do idolators go to Hell? Is God jealous to punish non-believers in Jesus? Even if Jesus is the Saviour, He is not the ONLY way to reach God. Idol worshipers, polytheists can also reach God through deeds. Many are not even aware of the view that idol-worshipers go to Hell and genuinely believe that they are worshiping God by worshiping idols. Will they go to Hell? Remember, if Heaven & Hell are true, they are NOT ETERNAL since there can never be infinite punishment for finite crime. If you believe God is JEALOUS and punishes polytheists & idolators, you will only offend God.

  102. Ron says:

    Watch her testimony and know why she left Yoga for Christ.

  103. Ron says:

    watch this video

  104. Truth Seeker says:

    Open Challange
    @Ali Sina/Ron/Any Other

    True son of God were Rishi Patanjali author of Yog Darshan, Rishi Kapil Author of Sankhya Philosophy, Rishi Guatam Author of Nayay Phillosphy, Rishi Vyas Author Uttar Mimans and many more Rishi who reached the state of Samaadhi. Jesus was not even 10% of these Rishi in wisdom. These Rishi came to earth thousands of year before birth of Jesus.
    I laugh on stupidity of People who called Bible is Gold mine of knowledge. These people never have a look on Yog Darshan, Sankhya Darshan. Bible is not even 5% of Yog Darshan & Sankhya Philosophy. If anyone doubts on my claims please read Yog Darshan I am giving link though there are many discrepancies in translation but even than far batter from Bible.

    https://archive.org/details/yogadaranasutra00patagoog

    If anyone have guts to disapprove single sutra written by of Rishi Patanjli I am ready to accept his religion While Bible is full absurdity.

  105. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_MO****FU****:

    NO, YOU — A CHRISTIAN MO****FU**** — ARE A PROVEN LIAR.

    HISTORY PROVES THAT YOUR CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON LIES AFTER LIES AFTER LIES.

    ANYTHING YOU — A CHRISTIAN MO****FU**** — WRITE IS NOTHING BUT LIES.

    NOW, GO FU** YOURSELF WITH YOUR JESUS F**ING CHRIST.

  106. Ron says:

    History is always written by the victors and will have its bias. This doesn’t mean that history stated by the vanquished will not have bias. They will find scapegoats to blame their losses and will have their own bias.
    Hitler found minorities as the traitors for losing world war 1.

    The Japanese blamed Tojo for starting and losing world war 2 (though the Allies knew it was the Emperor Hirohito who backed the War from the start).

    When the Arabs lost every war (1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014) with Israel and also Israel did successful raids on Entebbe, Osirak and did covert destruction of all terror chiefs of Hamas they blamed traitors for it. For the 1967/1973 war they blamed that US/Britain did the bombing when it was clear that US/Britain were not physically involved.

    They forget to acknowledge that the Bible clearly says of the chosen people Israel that if they disobey the commands of God then God will disperse them to other nations and ends of the earth and also if they repent and call out to God then God will bring them back to the Promised Land (Israel).

    Even for the wars against Israel, God says that God will grant that the enemies who rise up against you (Israel) will be defeated before you. They will come at you from one direction but flee from you in seven.

    That is exactly what happened when Israel defeated 6 countries fighting against them (5 on their neighbour -Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq (next door neighbour)) and the others giving soldiers, arms, ammunition and support (Sudan, Kuwait, Algeria, Pakistan, PLO, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco) and the GCC countries giving financial support to the Arabs.

    Israel defeated them in 6 days and captured sizable land from each and every neighbour inspite of being heavily outnumbered (almost 1 to 10) in terms of armed men, tanks, fighter planes, artillery, naval ships, attack helicopters, ammunitions etc.

    It is only when you have the true God on your side that you can win even against any odds.

    In comparison India lost the 1962 war with China and lost huge territory,
    lost huge territory part of Kashmir to Pakistan in the 1948 border incursion,
    Could not rescue the hijacked hostages at Kandahar (1999),
    interfered in Nepal in 2015-2016 and lost many infrastructure and oil (petrol) delivery projects to China, Interfered in Sri Lanka and lost its Prime Minister in a suicide attack,
    mishandled Kashmir in 2016 which has now become a battlefield and a no-go zone,
    did successful nuclear tests in 1998 and became a overt (instead of a covert) nuclear power but lost its conventional armed superiority when Pakistan did the same in two months.

    Though I agree that India did defeat Pakistan decisively in 1971. I am not against India as she is a democracy.

  107. Ron says:

    Why believe in Jesus?
    1) It was foretold in the Bible that he (Messiah) would be born of a virgin, born in Bethlehem, do miracles, die and rise again. Plus, there are many more prophecies not mentioned here due to lack of space.

    2) Almost 4.5 billion of the world’s 7 billion believe in one or some of the points of Jesus i.e. he is Son of God, Prophet or Holy one of God, Divine or Incarnation of God etc.

    3) The Bible is the largest selling book in the world since Printing Presses were invented.

    4) His life story, ministry and words in the New Testament (part of the Bible) is the largest selling and the largest translated book in the world and also in most countries.

    5) The Bible alone sells more than all other religious scriptures combined

    6) More books have been written about Jesus than of any other historical personality in the world.

    7) The Bible is the highest downloaded book in the whole world.

    8) The Bible sells more every year than in the year before right since the invention of the printing press.

    9) The Bible and the New Testament continue to be translated in other scripted languages.

    10) The Bible was banned in USSR (for 70 yrs.) and China (still banned) and yet is still the largest selling book in Russia and China.

    11) Bible is the only religious scripture taken and read on the moon, space ships etc.

    12) Bible is the only religious scripture available in Braille and in other languages of Braille.

    13) The Bible is available in audio, video and other electronic formats and still sells more than other religious scripture or atheistic narratives.

    14) Majority of NDA cases have reported encounter with Jesus in Heaven (Many of them were non-Christians)

    15) Most charity in the world is done by Christians (Majority of charity receivers are
    non-Christians)

    16) Most first adoptions (first child adoption) is done by Christians. (Muslims do the least adoptions)

    17) Most second adoptions (second Child adoption) is done overwhelmingly the Christians.

    18) Eighty percent of fostering of children is done by Christians.

    19) Ninety percent of leprosy homes in the world even in non-Christian countries is run by Christians (though the inmates/patients are non-Christian)

    20) Ninety percent of the AIDS homes all over the world are run by Christians. (though the inmates/patients are non-Christian)

    21) Seventy percent of the orphanages in the world are run by Christians
    .
    22) Seventy percent of the free hospitals in the world are run by Christians.

    Most of the people who react unfavourably to this post will be non-Christians who knowingly or unknowingly are full of hate for Christ and Christians.

    Jesus the way, the truth and life.

  108. Face_The_Truth says:

    “The Saudis, and many other Muslims, are ecstatic!

    Simon Collis, the British ambassador to Saudi Arabia, has just revealed to the world that he has converted to Islam (he did this a few years ago, but it was kept quiet until now).”

    LINK

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/hugh-fitzgerald-a-few-questions-for-simon-collis

  109. Face_The_Truth says:

    ‘How British Christian Imperialists Distorted Indian History???

    The history writing by the British Christian imperialists was a deliberate and systematic effort.

    The British Christian imperialists used history of India as a tool for demoralizing the native “Hindus”.

    History of Indian subcontinent was twisted, falsified, and misinterpreted on a grand scale.

    In a letter dated December 16, 1868, the famous Indologist Friedrich Max Müller wrote to the Duke of Argyll, the then Secretary of State of India:

    “India has been conquered once, but India must be conquered again and that second conquest should be a conquest by [Christian] education…”

    (Ref: ‘The Life and Letter of F. Max Müller, edited by Mrs. Max Muller, 1902, Vol.1, p.357)

    Prof. Max Müller was NOT just a philosopher; Prof. Max Müller was also an examiner for the Indian Civil Service (ICS) examinations.

    Therefore, the teaching of falsified Indian history played a great part in this “second Christian conquest”.

    BRITISH HISTORIANS???

    Who were those British Christian writers of Indian history?

    They were mainly British Christian army officers and administrators of the East India Company.

    For examples:

    — Major General John Malcolm — A Memoir of the Central India (1824)

    — Captain Grant Duff — History of the Marathas (1826)

    — Gen. Briggs — History of the Rise of Mohammedan Power in India (1829)

    — Lt. Colonel James Todd — Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan (1829-32)

    — M. Elphinstone (Resident at Peshwa Court, later Governor of Bombay) — History of India (1841)

    — Joseph Cunningham (brother of General Alexander Cunningham) — History of Sikhs (1849)

    — Lt. R.F. Burton — History of Sindh (1851)

    THUS THIS IS AKIN TO VICTORS WRITING THE HISTORY OF THE VANQUISHED.

    How many American Western movies depict the generosity and the bravery of the native Americans?

    Do you know of a single British movie depicting the courage, intelligence and skill of the German and Japanese soldiers?

    Hence we can imagine what kind of “History” these British Christian officers and administrators must have written or the “Slant” there in.

    But, these very books became standard textbooks in India and were prescribed for teaching the later day examinees of the Indian Civil Service and the Indian army.’

  110. Steve says:

    Stanley

    “Hi Steve…please read the life and ministry of Jesus and then comment on his acts….
    What would you say when he rescued the woman caught in the act of adultery when it was the punishable by death?” This story has nothing to do with his compassion- as is commonly misinterpreted. Firstly the Jews didn’t practice stoning anyway. And any judgment had to given by a Roman court – and the punishment handed out according to Roman law. This is why the Jews did not stone Jesus but instead took him to Pilate the Roman governor for judgement. Also note he was not stoned (as is the punishment for blasphemy under mosaic law). But was crucified which is the method used by the Romans. So the Pharisees knew that if Jesus said stone her they would have proof of him committing treason against Rome and if he says no then they would charge him with not carrying out the law of Moses. Jesus however knew that it was a lie and trap to begin with firstly the man also caught “in the very act” needs to be present and known and at least 2 witnesses must come forward and the witnesses must be the ones that begin the stoning (according to the law of Moses). This is what Jesus meant by “he who is without sin cast the first stone”. Jesus knew they was lying and the man also present “in the act” was not even there. He recognised the demands of the law of Moses, but he also knew that the pharisees could not carry it out any more than he could without violating the Roman law. So they tried to trap Jesus and Jesus saw through their trick. The story has nothing to do with compassion to the woman brought forward. (In reality the Pharisees was not even bothered about whether this woman had committed adultery or not – as they did not even bring the man also “caught in the very act” forward.)

    “When he forgave those who tortured/crucified him on that cross?” Who he is going to make sure is tortured in a lake of fire for all eternity? Sounds like he has forgiven them.

    “Yes at the end of the ages and when it is time for judgement all who have rejected him” I have not rejected him because I not aware of his existence. I am not even in the position to accept or reject people whose existence I am not even aware of. You obviously missed this point. For example can you “reject” Santa? No because you are not even aware of the existence of any Father Christmas.

    “will then be cast into hell, just like every criminal will sooner or later face his day in court, because justice demands it- so too God’s justice demands sin /sinners be finally judged and sentenced.” Yep “rejecting” someone’s offer of a relationship – when you are not even aware of the existence of such a person/being – is worthy of being tortured in a lake of fire for all eternity.

    “You too will face God on judgement day Steve..as sure as the seasons change, whether you want to believe it or not, judgement is coming.” You too will face Santa on judgement day Stanley..as sure as the seasons change, whether you want to believe it or not, judgement is coming.

    “You question the historicity of the person of Christ- I mean get real brother….do a little study on your own.” There is no evidence he existed you have no idea what you are talking about. Did you know that no town by the name of Nazareth even existed till about a hundred years after Jesus’s supposed birth? (To take just one piece of data which indicates the whole Jesus story was made up).

    “Maybe your notion on the character and nature of the God of the Bible need to change…. you only see his judgement yet his love and mercy is so evident.” Yep putting people in hell for eternity for the “crime” of not being aware of your existence sounds loving and merciful.

    “Remember this: God is holy and no sinner will go to heaven…. God is not father christmas..giving sweets and presents to everyone.” Huh I thought your God loves all people even the sinners? I guess not just like out of one side of his mouth your God man tells others to love their enemies while he himself curses his enemies and condemns them to hell.

    “You decide your destiny and you choose to accept or reject.” I can’t “choose” to accept somebody’s offer of a relationship when I not even aware of that persons existence. Obviously you can’t understand that for some reason.

  111. Ron says:

    I am not here to defend Gandhi though I admire him.
    But Albert Einstein
    “On the occasion of Mahatma Gandhi’s 70th birthday. “Generations to come, it may well be, will scarce believe that such a man as this one ever in flesh and blood walked upon this Earth.”

    It is pity that the party who killed Gandhi are in power in India and are distorting history, rewriting history to suit their agenda and are indoctrinating the new generations to hate Gandhi, hate Muslims, hate Christians, hate Dalits etc.
    Gullible folk are buying into it and perpetrating the hate across to others.

    The Nazis did that and they succeeded in getting power, instilling patriotism by telling them about inflated stories of past German glory and mixing it all with indoctrination of hate. It is surprising that many Indians idolize Hitler. He said that Germany was weak because of minorities who are traitors.

    Manu Smriti has good points and also very bad points just like the Mein Kampf which has good points (building the economy and anti-communism) but bad points of hating the French, jews, minorities and advocating racism.

    They both need to be condemned.

  112. Ron says:

    Oscar Wilde lived a very hedonistic life and NEVER believed in Jesus or any God. Towards the last days of his life and when he felt that only God can rescue him. He died accepting Jesus with a priest beside him (whom Oscar called for personally)

  113. stanley says:

    So if such a person like Gandhi was not, in your eyes, a true Hindu are you claiming to be one Mr Truth?
    I respectfully ask then What are your credentials to speak on behalf of Hinduism, or for my own understanding, what version/parts of Hinduism are you promoting?

  114. stanley says:

    Hi Steve…please read the life and ministry of Jesus and then comment on his acts….What would you say when he rescued the woman caught in the act of adultery when it was the punishable by death?
    When he forgave those who tortured/crucified him on that cross?
    Yes at the end of the ages and when it is time for judgement all who have rejected him will then be cast into hell, just like every criminal will sooner or later face his day in court, because justice demands it- so too God’s justice demands sin /sinners be finally judged and sentenced.
    You too will face God on judgement day Steve..as sure as the seasons change, whether you want to believe it or not, judgement is coming.
    You question the historicity of the person of Christ- I mean get real brother….do a little study on your own.
    Maybe your notion on the character and nature of the God of the Bible need to change…. you only see his judgement yet his love and mercy is so evident.
    Remember this: God is holy and no sinner will go to heaven…. God is not father christmas..giving sweets and presents to everyone.
    You decide your destiny and you choose to accept or reject.

  115. Face_The_Truth says:

    In “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma), it’s NOT the person who says or does the thing(s), rather it’s what said or done is(are) of actual concern(s) as well as of actual merit for the posterity!

    So, any “Hindu” should figure out who M.K. Gandhi actually was by M.K. Gandhi’s deeds and lifestyle instead of calling someone “Mahatma” when that person turned out to be the most insidious traitor “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) has ever known and ever experienced in time immemorial.

    M.K. Gandhi returned to Indian subcontinent in 1915 A.D. and, after Lokmanya Tilak’s death, M.K. Gandhi became the leader of the Indian freedom struggle against the British Christian imperialists.

    M.K. Gandhi himself had shamelessly supported the British Christian imperialists during the British-Boer War, British-Zulu War, and the World War I.

    In fact, M.K. Gandhi volunteered to organize a brigade of Indians to put down the Zulu uprising.

    Sergeant-Major Gandhi, the deputy commander of his corps — himself carried the stretcher of a mortally wounded British commanding officer from the Zulu War battle-field for miles over the sun-baked veldt in southern Africa.

    Thence M.K. Gandhi was awarded Victoria’s coveted War Medal for valor under fire.

    However by the time of his return to India, M.K. Gandhi was so obsessed with perverted ideology of “Ahimsa” (non-violence) that M.K. Gandhi condemned Rana Pratap, Chhatrapati Shivaji, Bappa Rawal, and Guru Govind Singh et al. for their armed struggle against marauding Muslim invaders of Indian subcontinent.

    After the horrible Moplah Muslim riots in 1921 A.D. when over 5000 “Hindus” were butchered and thousands of “Hindu” females’ breasts were cut off or sliced off by the Moplahs (Muslims) of Malabar, M.K. Gandhi had no hesitation calling the Moplah Muslims “My brave Mopla brothers!”

    In December 1926 A.D., when a fanatic Muslim Abdul Rashid murdered Swami Shraddhananda who had re-converted thousands of Muslims to “Hinduism”, M.K. Gandhi immediately pleaded that “Brother Abdul Rashid’s life be spared.”

    But, M.K. Gandhi refused to plead for lives of Bhagat Singh and others — who were “Hindus” — only six months later.

    In 1938 A.D., “Hindus” launched an unarmed struggle for their legitimate rights in Hyderabad state, Gandhi did not support the “Hindus” and said “I do not want to embarrass the Muslim Nizam”.

    M.K. Gandhi was very fond of Islam’s founder Muhammad ibn Abd’Allãh of 6th-7th century A.D. and praised in a statement in ‘Young India’ publication of 1924 A.D.

    “I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind…

    I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life.

    It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in Allãh and in his own mission.

    These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle.

    When I closed the second volume of the Prophet’s biography, I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.”

    Anyone reading the above statement from M.K. Gandhi of 1924 A.D. would likely conclude that M.K. Gandhi was a God-damn liar who always deliberately misled Indian “Hindus”.

    In order to fool Indian “Hindus”, M.K. Gandhi used to quote “Hindu” scriptures very often so that Indian “Hindus” would believe in everything that M.K. Gandhi used to say to Indian “Hindus”.

    In the mind of M.K. Gandhi, Christianity — which was based on LIES after LIES after LIES — and Islam — which was based on BEHEADING, STONING, ARSON, and LOOTING of non-Muslims’ lands and properties — were superior to “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma).

    ‘Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., might have heard the word of non-violence from Gandhi, but it is certain that Dr. King did not know the true colors of Mr. Gandhi.

    From the beginning to the end, M.K. Gandhi was loyal to British Christian imperialism.

    The Western news media and their Indian allies by a massive propaganda exercise created the illusion of sainthood around Gandhi and made people believe that M.K. Gandhi fought Apartheid in South Africa, and in the process of doing so developed a new method of non-violent struggle called “Satyagraha”.

    NOTHING IS FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

    Gandhi, for the major part of his life, worshipped British Christian imperialism and too often proudly proclaimed himself a lover of the Empire.’

    LINK

    http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ghandi.htm

  116. Steve says:

    Stanley
    “But I just wonder: Is it right for you to come to a conclusion without looking at all the facts?” What facts is the existence of Jesus and his doctrine based on then?

    “After all you have to believe in something like:
    Where did the universe come from? What is the purpose of life and how did life originate?
    Without a higher power who determines right and wrong?” Yes but none of these questions have anything to do with Jesus.
    “God of the BIble still loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life.” People who are not aware of the God of the bible (I.e Jews, Muslims, atheists, Hindus and so on) cannot choose to believe in something whose existence they are unaware of. Now if you doubt that, can you genuinely choose to believe in Santa? No you cannot and this is what Jesus is like to non Christians. According to the bible these people are going to hell. So it seems Jesus doesn’t have a wonderful plan for such people.

    “I have used common sense stating that even if Jesus is not divine- based on what he did for mankind, one still has to follow him even when you compare him to every so called god, deity, teacher, prophet that ever lived.” No he never existed and other teachers preached about loving enemies and forgiveness and so on. Did Jesus do as he taught? No he cursed his enemies and said they are bound for hell.

    “On the question of hell- I have also used common sense to state that:
    If hell is NOT real and you come to the end of life’s journey, having lived an exemplary Christian life..you have LOST nothing!
    But if HELL IS REAL, and you reject it as you are doing now, and choose to live as you please, then you have LOST EVERYTHING…Are you willing to do that Steve…” Again I can’t choose to bet on an magic invisible race horse that only be seen by people who “believe” in it.
    “Why would you not choose to go to heaven freely but lose your soul to go to Hell?”
    For the same reason that you don’t bet on Muhammad and Allah – because you don’t believe they exist or come from God.

  117. stanley says:

    come now Truth seeker- let us all respect each other and drop the insults, myself included….after all we need to address the substance – not the person.
    So in the spirit of forgiveness and reconciliation let us all start afresh and leave the emotions out.
    There are no prizes here for being correct, let’s be honest and civil.
    The more people that are engaged in these discussions the more we can learn from each other.
    God loves all of us in spite of our differences and the least He expects from all His children is to understanding and respectful.
    We are all equal in the sight of God…no one’s inferior or superior.

  118. Truth Seeker says:

    @stanley

    I know this is not object of this post. But here is a stinking dog commenting as Ron who is throwing his & other evangelist’s mental garbage on the name of Manu Smiriti like Manu Samriti 4.5: One should get impregnated to his daughter by donkey.

  119. stanley says:

    To TruthSeeker, Unknown scholar and others: Is the object of this post to defend India or Britain or Christianity or any country or leader?
    No…the question is Who will go to hell?
    If there is anyone here who claims to be perfect or has never sinned in word, though or deed, then you qualify to go to heaven thus escaping hell.
    If you are such a person, I would like to hear from you………………
    The question is not: Is there a hell or do you believe in hell?

  120. stanley says:

    Thank you Steve for that honest assessment,
    But I just wonder: Is it right for you to come to a conclusion without looking at all the facts?
    After all you have to believe in something like:
    Where did the universe come from? What is the purpose of life and how did life originate?
    Without a higher power who determines right and wrong?

    God of the BIble still loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life.
    I have used common sense stating that even if Jesus is not divine- based on what he did for mankind, one still has to follow him even when you compare him to every so called god, deity, teacher, prophet that ever lived.
    On the question of hell- I have also used common sense to state that:
    If hell is NOT real and you come to the end of life’s journey, having lived an exemplary Christian life..you have LOST nothing!
    But if HELL IS REAL, and you reject it as you are doing now, and choose to live as you please, then you have LOST EVERYTHING…
    Are you willing to do that Steve…and for what? for a season of sinful pleasure that this world offers now so that you can lose your eternal soul!
    Come-on friend I’m sure deep down in your soul there is a yearning to know the truth….that’s why Jesus came , that:
    we will know the Truth and the Truth will make us free….
    Why would you not choose to go to heaven freely but lose your soul to go to Hell?
    Are you a sinner Steve? Have you ever lied, cheated, stole, committed adultery in your heart- which is lust, hated others?
    Only Jesus can save you from your sins.
    for more questions you may directly contact me: [email protected]
    God bless you.

  121. Truth Seeker says:

    @Who oppose Manu Samriti

    When we review Manu Smriti, we find 4 kinds of interpolations: to bring completeness, for selfish reasons, to exaggerate and to bring defects. Most of these interpolations are blatantly obvious. Dr Surendra Kumar has written a detailed translation of Manu Smriti in Hindi that analyzes each shloka on various parameters to weed out those verses that are obviously interpolated.

    2685 shlokas (Verses) of Manu Smriti, at least 1471 shlokas are adulterated. He has classified the adulterations as :

    – out of subject

    – out of context

    – contradictory

    – repetition

    – difference in usage and style

    – blatant contradiction with Vedas

    We recommend all keen students of Vedic texts to procure a copy of Manu Smriti by Dr Surendra Kumar (published by Aarsh Sahitya Prachar Trust, Delhi) which would make this point as transparent as air.

    e. Dr Surendra Kumar is not the only person to point out adulterations in Manu Smriti. Even many a western indologists like Macdonnell, Keith, Buhler etc have expressed the same.

    f. Even BR Ambedkar accepted that ancient scriptures have been adulterated. He has alleged adulterations in Ramayan, Mahabharat, Geeta, Purans and even in Vedas. He cited contradictory verses from Manu Smriti. But he tactfully desisted from calling these verses of Manu Smriti as adulterated.

  122. Truth Seeker says:

    @People who abuse Manu Samirti without understanding reading single syllable

    Education is true birth

    11. As per Manu, actual birth happens after completion of education. All human beings are Shudras or uneducated when born. Those who complete their education are supposed to have a new birth. Thus they are called Dwija or Twice Born. Those who were unable to complete the education remain Shudra. This has nothing to do with birth or heredity. This is pure meritocracy.

    2.148: When a teacher who is well-versed in Vedas teaches a student the science of Gayatri (that summarizes all principles of Vedas and rational living), then the actual birth of the student takes place. This birth is free from risks of death or destruction and leads the student to immortality.

    Thus, forget about being a Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya, one is not considered even a human unless he/she receives education.

    2.146: The teacher who provides education is a father who is much greater than the father who gave birth.

  123. Truth Seeker says:

    @People oppose Manu Samriti
    There are 3 major allegations on Manu Smriti:Three allegations on Manu Smriti

    1. Manu founded the caste-system based on birth.

    2. Manu legalized harsh punishments for Shudras and special provisions for upper-castes and especially Brahmins.

    3. Manu was anti-women and condemned them. He accorded inferior rights to women.

    Let us now review these allegations using evidences from Manu Smriti itself.

    In this article, we shall review the first allegation – that Manu was founder of birth-based caste system.

    We would strongly recommend that the readers review our series on Caste System in Vedas to understand the context and definitions of Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra as per Vedas. Please review the series at http://agniveer.com/post_series/caste-series/

    1. Manu Smriti hails from an era when even the concept of birth-based caste system did not exist. Thus Manu Smriti nowhere supports a social system based on birth. Maharshi Manu took inspiration from Vedas (refer Rigveda 10.10.11-12, Yajurveda 31.10-11, Atharvaveda 19.6.5-6) and proposed a social system based on qualities, actions and nature of the individual.
    Manu Smriti and Caste System

    2. This is called Varna System. Now the very word Varna derived from root word “Vrinja” means “Choice“. A similar usage happens in common used word “Varan” meaning “choosing” or “Var” meaning a husband chosen by the girl. This also shows that in Vedic system the girl had complete rights to choose her husband.

    3. The biggest proof of Manu Smriti proposing Varna System and NOT Caste System is that in the first Chapter of Manu Smriti, there is mention of origin of 4 Varnas and no mention of castes or gotras. Had caste or gotra been important, Manu would have mentioned which castes belong to Brahmins, which to Kshatriyas, which to Vaishyas and which to Shudras.

    This also means that those who feel proud in calling themselves Brahmins or upper-caste by birth have no evidence to prove so. They can at best prove that a few generations of their forefathers used to also call themselves upper-caste. But there is no way to prove that they were upper-castes since inception of civilization. And when they cannot prove so, what right do they have to allege that a so-called birth-based Shudra was also not a Brahmin several generations ago? And that they themselves were not Shudras a few generation ago!

    5. Manu Smriti 2.136 states that one earns respect due to wealth, company, age, actions and knowledge in increasing order. There is no mention of family, gotra, caste, lineage and other non-factors to demand or earn respect.

    Migration within Varnas

    6. Manu Smriti 10.65 asserts that Brahmin can become Shudra and Shudra can become Brahmin. Similarly Kshtariyas and Vaishyas can also change their Varnas.

    7. Manu Smriti 9.335: If a Shudra (uneducated) serves the educated ones, is polite, devoid of ego and stays in respectful company of knowledgeable ones, he/ she is considered as having a noble birth and stature.

  124. Ron says:

    Hindu god practising sodomy and producing supergods by sodomy

    Sabarimalai Sastha – Hindu God 6

    Sabarimalai Sastha or Ayyapa is a sylvan god worshipped by the credulous Hindus of Kerala and Tamil Nadu in India. He is the son born to Siva and Vishnu as a result of a homosexual act.

    God Shiva had two wives-Ganga and Parwati. It was while Shiva was frolicking and making love with Parwati in the forest in the form of elephants that Ganapati, the god with the head of an elephant was born. On another occasion when Shiva was frolicking with Parwati in the form of a monkey, Hanuman the monkey god was born.

    Once when Parwati was away, Shiva had sexual inter course with a woman called Madhura, who came to Kailas to worship him. On her return, Parwati saw her husband Shiva making love with Madhura, and she became a frog. When the period of the curse was over after twelve years, the frog took the form of Mandodari who became the wife of Ravana, the ten-headed king of Lanka. The sperm of Shiva which remained dormant in the womb of Mandodari when the was frog began to develop, and finally gave birth to Indrajit. Thus, the so-called son of Ravana-Indrajit of Lanka-was an intelligence son of Shiva.

    https://hinduismkisachai.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/hindu-gods-exposed/
    Jesus alone is sinless. He is the way, the truth and life.

  125. Steve says:

    Passive observer

    “When a journalist asked Gandhi, whether he believed in historical Jesus, Gandhi replied confidently. “Whether Jesus existed or not I will venerate him for the truth he has spoken” What truth? Christianity is a load of nonsense. And any good other stuff was copied from other philosophies namely the stoics http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/seneca.html “The egocentric Jesus reduced “truth” to his own eclectic utterances; indeed, he claimed to personify Truth itself.
    In stark contrast, the Stoics affirmed the scientific method we recognize today: observations scrutinized by reason, verified and confirmed by general acceptance – that is “truth”.”

  126. Ron says:

    Most visitors to India have a good view of India despite the negative travel advisory given.
    When I visited South Asia, I visited the holiest temples of Hinduism. Growing up in a secular culture I considered Hindus as tolerant, hardworking, non-violent and not fanatical and just admired MK Gandhi, Mother Teresa and Amartya Sen as great Indians born once in a century.

    But when you visit, you find it has great natural beauty but a society in great contrasts. Most of us come to India as we know it as the land of the Mahatma, Taj Mahal and Mother Teresa.
    A religion based on discrimination, with their gods (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Rama, Krishna) doing despicable acts as made India a place of crime. See bottom of the page.

    India is a place where you have
    the highest slavery in the world (perpetuated and justified by the Hindu Caste system and a Hindu feudal system. (See the Global slavery index for 2015.

    Highest child labour in the world. Highest crimes against women in the world.

    Among the 10 most corrupt countries in the world.

    Highest and worst form of systemic discrimination (Hindu religion sanctioned) in the world. The National Geographic calls these discriminated people untouchables.

    Highest amount of atrocities against minorities (Sikhs, Muslims, Christians and Dalits) which has just increased every year.

    Highest crimes against visitors.

    Hindu and Muslim political parties run by goons and are in power. They resort to extortion, bribe etc.

    Some of the crimes done by Hindu gods (there are many here are a few)
    (a) Incest: –
    Father-daughter incest occurs in the story of Brahma and his daughter.
    Brahma married his own daughter Satarupa.
    “Wise, teaching, following the thought of Order, the sonless gained a grandson from his daughter”. Fain, as a sire, to see his child prolific, he sped to meet her with an eager spirit‖.
    [Rigveda III .31.1-2]. Hiranyakashpu married his daughter Rohini. Vashista married Shatrupa, Janhu married Janhavi, and Surya married Usha.
    (b)Rape
    Rape was common. Some examples are Manu-Illa, Surya raped Kunti. Vishnu raped Jalandhar‘s wife (Varinda) who later committed suicide. Love-lorn Vishnu did not even let her go after death. He bathed in her ashes, bereaved her death for days and cried loudly.
    (c) Sons married their mothers
    There are cases where father and son married the same woman; Brahma is the father of Manu. Manu married his mother
    Sharadha . Pushan too married his mother.

  127. @Ali Sina,
    J.P. Morland says the hell need not be a torture chamber.
    I agree with him. We know Jesus always speak in parables. Once his disciples asked Him “Why do you speak to them in parables? He answered and said unto them “because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven but unto them it is not given”.(Mt 13:11). Why would Jesus do that? Because God’s plan involves “Many are called but few are chosen” (Mt.22:14)
    For instance some of His parables are
    “I am the good shepherd; I am the vine you are the braches; I am the Alpha and the Omega beginning and the end; cut your right hand; pluck your right eye, if it causes you to sin; I do no come to bring peace but a sword; You are the salt; you are the light etc., etc.,
    Why then should we take literal meaning when he speaks about hell, particularly, “They will throw them into the furnace of fire”(Mt 14:42), “Where worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched”(Mark 9:48)?
    Why these words cannot be figure of speech or metaphorical? In this world when the evil doers are thrown into the prison, they are detached from their friends, kith and kin. The loneliness will burn them like a furnace of fire, their conscience (why I have committed such a crime) will eat them like a worm. I always feel that Jesus describes the state of mind of a person who will be in hell, as a prisoner in prison.
    Just as the prison is not a torture chamber, the hell too need not be a torture chamber. For me separation of God is hell whether we are in this world or the next. When we hate and abuse God’s beautiful creatures we separate ourselves from God and this separation continues into the next world.
    Again it is not the same kind of treatment for everyone in hell; just as we find in prison, punishment varies from people to people in hell in accordance with their crimes/sins. Jesus said “From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded”(luke12:48). Why hell will not be a free size for all? Jesus’ statement gives us a clue.” But I tell you it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgement than for you” (Mt 11:22). We might have heard the following story from our Sunday school teacher.
    A holy man in his next life wanted to know what is happening in hell and heaven. When he visited the hell it was lunch time. There was so much of hue and cry among the inmates because their hands were longer than usual and unable to put the food into their mouths. Some threw the food into their mouths, some put it on the ground and licking it. The food was all over their faces. There were more and more noises and arguments as they became hungry.
    When visited heaven during lunch time he found there was peace and harmony. The people also had longer hands, but they were feeding each other. Although it is a made up story it gives us an idea that people by their own behaviour make hell and heaven as we find in this world too.
    In lighter vein (according to Time Magazine) Leonid Brezhnev, the former president of Soviet Union, was sentenced to hell, for the invasion of Afghanistan and opening the Pandora’s Box, (gathering of Jihadists from various countries, bin Laden etc). St. Peter took him to hell. While walking along the way he found his ex-president Nikita Khrushchev was living with French actress Brigitte Bardot in one of the chambers. Brezhnev said to St. Peter “I don’t mind this type of punishment”. St Peter replied “This punishment is for Brigitte Bardot to live with this clumsy old man, for the sin of acting naked in movies”.

  128. @Unknown scholar,
    It is sad that you don’t appreciate Gahndhi’s contribution to the world peace. We the non-Indians came to know India and Hinduism through Gandhi. Chasing out the British Empire through non-violence is a very great achievement. He loved sermon of the mount He applied the principle, “Do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps on your right cheek turn to them the other also”(Mt 5:39) to the British. Even the Nobel Prize committee members did not understand his greatness. It took decades to understand the importance of non-violence in this warmongering world.
    We know people from the inception of history worshipped many gods made of stones and bathe them with milk and burn incense. If there is only one true God who created this beautiful world and looking after it, then other gods are false. The true God cannot simply sleep. He has to take action. We need to search for the true God. Perhaps you may ask a true seeker of truth whether Venus, Zeus, Mithra, Hercules, Apollo, Ram, Ganesh, or Krishna is the True God. I am also searching for the true God. At the moment I am stuck with Jesus.
    To my little understanding the verse “I have not come to bring peace but a sword” exactly means what happens in your family. If your son or son-in-law or daughter or daughter-in-law, accepts Jesus what you will do is the meaning of sword. Everyone hates each other because of Jesus in 200 countries. In my eyes Jesus seems to be a great prophet

  129. @Steve
    When a journalist asked Gandhi, whether he believed in historical Jesus, Gandhi replied confidently. “Whether Jesus existed or not I will venerate him for the truth he has spoken”

  130. Face_The_Truth says:

    To screen-name Unknown Scholarship:

    There’re Indian historians such as Romila Thapar, Muzaffar Alam, Bipan Chandra, R. Champaka Lakshmi, Sukumari Bhattacharya, H. Mukhia, Suvira Jaiswal, S. Ratnagar, M.K. Palat, Satish Saberwal, S. Gopal, Mridula Mukherjee, Sumit Sarkar, Mohammed Habib, Irfan Habib et al. who have done their best so far to destroy “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) and for the re-establishment of Islamic Shariat and Christian imperial doctrines in independent India.

    Today, Indian Muslims follow Islamic Shariat instead of the Indian Constitution.

    Today, Indian Christians are doing their best to disintegrate India as “The Niyogi Committee Report On Christian Missionary Activities” officially documented.

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/ncr/

    So, if history is any guide to us, Christians and Muslims will not stop until Christian and Muslims are stopped from all seditious activities on Indian soil.

    “Hindu” traitors like M.K. Gandhi and Indian Muslim Dynasty of J.L. Nehru — in post-independence India — wanted to completely efface “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanãtana Dharma) from independent India by elevating Indian Muslims and Indian Christians at the expenses of Indian native “Hindus”.

    But, to this day Indian “Hindus” haven’t learned from history that foreign Muslim invaders treated native polytheists as nothing but “Hindu” Kuffars and foreign Christian imperialists treated native polytheists as nothing but ignorant “Heathens”.

  131. G C Asnani (1922-2016) continues:

    “Superiority by Birth or by Conduct ?

    Also, Manu made it clear that superiority is not by birth but by Conduct. This Principle was further emphasized later by Veda Vyasa in Mahabharata; relevant extract from Mahabharata Vana Parva, Section 179 is also given below.

    CASTE IS BY CONDUCT, NOT BY BIRTH

    * The Seniority of Brahmanas is from Sacred Knowledge, that of Kshatriyas from valour, that of Vaisyas from wealth in grain, but that of Sudras is from age alone. (II, 155)

    * A man is not therefore considered Venerable just because his head is gray; him who, though young in age, has learned the Veda, the Gods consider to be Venerable. (II, 156)

    * As an elephant made of wood, as an antelope made of leather, such is an unlearned Brahmana; those three have nothing but the names of their kind. (II, 157)

    * Just as a eunuch is unproductive with women, as a cow with cow is unprolific, and as a gift made to an ignorant man yields no reward, likewise is a Brahmana worthless, who does not know the Richas (Vedic Verses). (II, 158)

    NON – IMPORTANCE OF CASTE

    * He who possesses faith may receive pure learning even from a man of lower caste, the highest law even from the lowest, and an excellent wife even from a base family. (II, 238)

    * Even from poison, nectar may be taken; even from a child, good advice; even from a foe, a lesson in good conduct; and even from an impure substance gold. (II, 239)

    * Excellent wives, learning, the knowledge of Law, the rules of purity, good advice, and various arts may be acquired from anybody. (II, 240)

    POSITION OF WOMEN

    * Women must be honoured and adorned by their fathers, brothers, husbands and brothers-in-law, who desire their own welfare. (III, 55)

    * Where women are honoured, there the gods are pleased; but where they are not honoured, no Sacred rite yields rewards. (III, 56)

    * Where the female relations live in grief, the family soon wholly perishes; but that family where they are not unhappy ever prospers. (III, 57)

    * The houses on which female relations, not being duly honoured, pronounce a curse, perish completely as if destroyed by magic. (III, 58)

    * Hence men who seek their own welfare, should always honour women on holidays and festivals with gifts of ornaments, clothes, and dainty food. (III, 59)

    IS EVERY BRAHMAN TO BE ADORED ?

    * Manu has declared that those Brahmanas who are thieves, outcasts, eunuchs, or atheists [Here, I the unknown scholar disagree with Manusmriti and say that atheist Brahmanas should not be condemned] are unworthy to partake of oblations offered to gods and ancestors. (III, 150)

    KILLING OF ANIMALS

    * He who injures harmless creatures from a wish to give himself pleasure, never finds happiness, neither living nor dead. (V, 45)

    * He who permits the slaughter of an animal, he who cuts it up, he who kills it, he who buys or sells meat, he who cooks it, he who serves it up, and he who eats it, must all be considered as the slayers of the animal. (V, 51)

    * There is no greater sinner than that man who, though not worshipping the gods or the manes seeks to increase the bulk of his own flesh by the flesh of other beings. (V, 52)”

    http://www.hinduwisdom.info/articles_hinduism/160.htm

  132. An eminent elderly scholar Prof. G.C.ASNANI (1922- March 2016), MSc., Ph.D. (United Nations Service, Retd.) has written about this. He says:

    “IN India, particularly after Independence in 1947, the younger generation of Hindus has been ignorant and indifferent about the teachings of Hindu religion. There has also been persistent effort from some quarters to speak ill of Hindu religion. This has had the natural effect of younger generation developing indifference towards and even ridicule of Hindu religion in India. The Constitution of India encourages non-Hindu youngsters to be given education about the teachings of their respective religions in the Govt.- aided educational institution of India, but Hindu youngsters cannot be given such education about Hindu religion in Govt.-aided educational institutions.

    Outside India, the Christian missionaries have consistently worked for over three centuries to paint Hindu religion as demonic barbarism. These missionaries collect huge amounts of money and recruit large number of persons from outside India to remove Hinduism from the surface of the earth. This type of propaganda against Hinduism has affected and is affecting the political policies of foreign governments towards India.

    By now, we have also become familiar with Taliban Movement in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It correctly represents Islam without any hide-and-seek game. Government-aided Madrasas in India become factories for Talibanism inside India, for destruction of Hinduism.

    It is time that we Hindus assert ourselves and place the basic teachings of Hinduism before the whole world, for the people to read for themselves and come to their own conclusions directly without interference from those who have been profiting by hurling abuses at Hinduism. This is the first in the series of publications which we propose to publish.

    We are sure that a better knowledge about Hinduism inside India will strengthen the Hindu society, give it the self- confidence to understand, practise and propagate the noble teachings of Hinduism; this shall be for the benefit of the whole world which is being engulfed by inter-religious warfare under various pretexts. Religion is essentially a matter of self-discipline, self-culture, enriching of one’s inner self, realisation of divinity which lies dormant in every living being and the manifestation of this divinity in our daily conduct of life. Religion cannot be used and should not be used as a weapon in our hands and mouths to conquer and subjugate others, to win political power and destroy other religious communities; that would be barbarism and not religion. Religion should bring peace, tranquility and happiness to everyone on this earth.

    Smritis are the Rules of conduct framed by Rishis at various stages of history of the Hindu Society. While there is some apparent diversity in these rules, it is not difficult to trace the underlying unity of self-discipline and the object of welfare of the society. With this underlying unity, there have been changes in rules from time to time, and no one would be right in picking up a sentence here and there and making much noise about it. We should look at the underlying structural basis of the Smritis. It may not be out of place to mention here that the Constitution of India framed by Independent India in 1948 has had 75 Amendments upto the year 1995. If in the course of less than half a century, the law makers of India have found it necessary to have Amendments at the rate of more than one Amendment per year, some changes in the rules of conduct suggested by Rishis into the sacred books of the Hindu society, over a period of several hundred centuries, should not be a cause of complaint by any rational reasoning. And then there is also the Grand Principle of Freedom of thought, belief and action given to every Hindu by the Hindu Scriptures:

    “For choosing your course of conduct at any time and place, keep in view the instructions given first in Sruti(Vedas), then in Smritis, Itihaas(History of great personalties) and finally you act according to your conscience.” (Manu Smriti, II, 6)

    This Grand Principle of Freedom given to an individual by the Hindu religion will, in course of time, form the basis for ending inter-religious and intra-religious conflicts.

    There has been too much public criticism against Manu Smriti, which criticism is not based on sound reasoning and thoughtful study. Before criticising Manu Smriti, we should consider the following points:

    i) Manu Smriti was compiled several thousand years back during which interval, social, economic and political conditions have changed in Hindu society. If Indian Constitution has required more than one Amendment per year, how many Amendments would be necessary in Manusmriti compiled several thousand years back?

    ii) There were no printing presses and standard reference editions several thousand years back. Naturally, the current edition of Manu Smriti has suffered from many interpolations for which Manu cannot be held responsible and for which criticism of Manu will not be justified.

    iii) Further, as has been seen the practice of Hindu religion, there is enormous, almost complete freedom for an individual to believe or to disbelieve any dogma, to accept or to discard any instruction written in any book, and to use one’s own intelligence and conscience before adopting any course of action. This is the beauty of Hindu religion.

    vi) Manu himself says that if there is anything in his Smriti which is not acceptable to the conscience of any person, that person should reject it and act according to his/her own conscience. Then, where is any reasonable ground for criticising Manu? Rather, he deserves our respect for his giving us instructions to reject what is against our conscience even in his Manu Smriti.

    Which other religious scripture in the world outside Hindu religion and its branches gives such freedom?”

    http://www.hinduwisdom.info/articles_hinduism/160.htm

  133. There are unacceptable passages in the Manusmriti. But then, Hindus allowed India’s Constitution to be written by Dr Ambedkar, a man who with his followers openly burnt the Manusmriti, and who was a Hindu apostate, converting to Buddhism. Hindus in modern times reject Manusmriti and follow modern civil laws, Indian Constitution which gives reservation to lower castes & various concessions, far from any discrimination.

    Neither Hindu religion or Hindu society ever approved incest, rape or sodomy, nor did they ever legally practice it. As a matter of fact the Portuguese committed horrible crimes on Hindus in Goa- among the worst ever committed by Christianity on any other religion between 1500-1900. But that is immaterial & irrelevant now. Hindus also discriminated on caste in the past. But that too is now irrelevant, since they have made amends by giving reservations. What matters is now, and now both Hindus & Christians follow modern civil laws and are open-minded with free thinking.

    But remember, there are also some passages unacceptable by modern standards in The Bible too.

    Some Quotations from the Holy Bible

    1. Old Testament, EXODUS 23; 23-24: God said, “My angel will go ahead of you and take you into the land of the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Cannanites, the Hivites, the Jebusites, and I will destroy them. Do not bow down to their gods or worship them, and do not adopt their religious practices. Destroy their gods and break down their sacred stone pillars.

    2. Old Testament, EXODUS 34; 13: God said “Tear down their altars, destroy their sacred pillars, and cut down the symbols of their goddess Asherah”.

    3. Old Testament, NUMBERS 31; 17-18: Prophet Moses commanded: “Now kill every boy and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse, but keep alive for yourself all the girls and all the women who are virgins”.

    4. Old Testament, DEUTERONOMY 4; 16-19: Prophet Moses said, “Do not sin by making for yourself an idol in any form at all-whether man or woman, animal or bird, reptile or fish. Do not be tempted to worship and serve what you see in the sky – the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars”.

    5. Old Testament, DEUTERONOMY 20; 16-18: Prophet Moses said, “When you capture cities in that land that the Lord your God is giving you, kill every one. Completely destroy all the people: the Hittites, the Amorites, the Cannanites, the
    Perizzites, the Hivites, the Jebusites, as the Lord ordered you to do”.

    6. Old Testament, DEUTERONOMY 32; 16: Prophet Moses said, “Their idolatry made the Lord jealous; the evil they did made Him angry”.

    7. Old Testament, DEUTERONOMY 32; 21-25: The Lord said, “With their idols they have made me angry, jealous with their so-called gods… My anger will flame up like fire and burn everything on Earth. It will reach the Earth below and consume the roots of the mountains. I will bring on them endless disasters and use all my arrows against them. They will die from hunger and fever; they will die from terrible diseases. I will send wild animals to attack them, and poisonous snakes to bite them. War will bring death in the streets; terrors will strike in the homes. Young men and young women will die; neither babies nor old men will be spared.”

    8. Old Testament, 2 Chronicles 34; 3-7: “In the 8 th year that Josia was King, while he was still very young, he began to worship the God of his ancestor King David. Four years later, he began to destroy the Pagan places of worship, the symbol of the Goddess Asherah, and all the other idols. Under his direction, his men smashed the altars where Ball was worshipped and tore down the incense-altars near them. They ground to dust the images of Asherah and all the other idols and then scattered the dust on the graves of the people who had sacrificed to them. He burnt the bones of the pagan priests on the altars where they had worshipped. By doing all these, he made Judah and Jerusalem rituality clean again. He did the same thing in the cities and the devastated areas of Manasseh, Ephraim, and Simeon, and as far north as Naphtali. Throughout the territory of the Northern Kingdom he smashed the altars and the symbols of Asherah, ground the idols to dust, and broke in pieces all the incense-altars.”

    9. Old Testament, Isaiah 44; 9-11: God, the Lord, said, “All those who make idols are worthless, and the gods they prize so highly are useless. Those who worship these gods are blind and ignorant-and they will be disgraced. It’s no good making a metal image to worship as a god! Every one who worships it will be humiliated. The people who make idols are human beings and nothing more. Let them come and stand trial-they will be terrified and will suffer disgrace.”

    12. Old Testament, ISAIAH 13; 14-16: The Lord commanded, “The foreigners living in Babylon will run away to their own countries scattering like deer escaping from hunters, like sheep without a shepherd. Anyone who is caught will be stabbed to death. While they look on helplessly, their babies will be battered to death, their houses will be looted and their wives will be raped.”

    13. New Testament, Luke 12; 51-53: Jesus said, “Do you suppose that I came to bring peace to the World? No, not peace, but division. From now on a family of five will be divided, three against two and two against three. Fathers will be against their sons, and sons against their fathers; mothers will be against their daughters and daughters against their mothers; mothers-in-law will be against their daughters-in-law, and daughters-in-law against their mothers-in-law.”

    14. New Testament, LUKE 22; 36:Jesus said, “Whoever has a purse or a bag must take it; and whoever has no sword must sell his coat and buy one.”

    15. New Testament, MARK 16; 15-16: Jesus said, “Go throughout the whole world and preach the Gospel to all mankind. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.”

    16. New Testament, MATHEW 16; 18-19: Jesus said, “Peter: you are a rock, and on this rock I will build my Church, and not even death will ever be able to overcome it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven; what you prohibit on Earth will be prohibited in Heaven, and what you permit on Earth will be permitted in Heaven.”

    17. New Testament, ACTS 16; 6: They traveled through the region of Phrygia and Golatia because the Holy Spirit did not let them to preach the message in the province of Asia.”

    18. New Testament, ACTS 7; 41-42: “It was then that they made an idol in the shape of a bull, offered sacrifice, and had a feast in honour of what they themselves had made. So God turned away from them and gave them over to worship the stars of Heaven.”

    19. New Testament, ACTS 17; 29-31: “Since we are God’s children, we should not suppose that his nature is anything like an image of gold or silver or stone shaped by the art and the skill of man. God has overlooked the times when the people did not know him, but now he commands all of them everywhere to turn away from their evil ways. For he has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to every one by raising that man from death!

    20. New Testament, Paul’s Letter No.l to CORINTHIANS 7: 4-6: “So then, about eating the food offered to idols: We know that an idol stands for something that does not really exist; we know that there is only one God. Even if there are so-called ‘gods’, whether in Heaven or on Earth, and even though there are many of these ‘gods’ and ‘lords’, yet there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the Creator of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live.”

    21. New Testament, Paul’s Letter No. 1 to CORINTHIANS 10, 20: “What I am saying is that what is sacrificed on Pagan altars is offered to Demons, not to God”.

    http://islamandchristianitybeliefs.blogspot.in/2014/07/quotations-from-holy-quran-and-holy.html

  134. Face_The_Truth says:

    To screen-name Truth Seeker:

    Christians are ingrained in their blind faith in their imaginary Jesus F**king Christ.

    No amount of fact-finding will convince Christians otherwise; so, it is useless to argue with Christians of any stripe regarding “Drinking-Drinking-F**king-Women” religion that Christianity actually is and has always been.

    You will notice ONE very important phenomenon and that is how good Christians behave with Muslims!

    Christians will not raise an issue with Muslims when Muslims say there’s NO God, but Allãh and Muhammad was Allãh’s final messenger.

    Because, Christianity and Islam have similar roots, where a man, imaginary or not, suddenly declares himself to be a “Son of God” or the “Final Messenger”.

    You will notice Christians complain about “Sati” in India, but NEVER talk about UBASUTE in Japan practiced by Japanese Buddhism for centuries.

    You will notice Christians complain about “Sati” in India, but NEVER talk about Islamic stoning, Islamic beheading, Islamic destruction of millions of “Hindu” temples, and Islamic institutionalized discrimination on “Hindus” of Indian subcontinent during medieval time.

    You will notice Christians NEVER talk about Islamic sexual-slavery of “Hindu” females in medieval India as well as both Christian and Islamic complicity in continuing “Hindu” under-classes for centuries when both Christians and Muslims ruled various parts of Indian subcontinent while making themselves (i.e., Christians and Muslims) rich at the expenses of “Hindu” under-classes.

    I used the words “various parts” above, because Muslims never conquered the entire Indian subcontinent in any specific time period of medieval time!

    World’s Christians cannot redeem themselves today from their inherent feelings of guilt that they (i.e., Christians) lost control of the Indian subcontinent which was the greatest money-making machine for British Christian imperialists.

    Partition and creation of two Sunni-Muslim states out of Indian subcontinent in 1947 A.D. was not enough for world’s Christians.

    Now, world’s Christians are busy again to disintegrate India into the lines of millions of minority Indian Muslims and Indian Christians.

    History shows that Christians and Muslims are always united against “Hindus”.

  135. Steve says:

    + Stanley
    “God has given each person free will to decide his own eternal destiny on the basis of revealed truth.
    It demands a personal decision from every one to accept or reject Christ and thus bear the consequences of their decision- nevertheless the heart of God is that all should come to repentance and be saved, as God is not willing that anyone should perish in hell.”
    I Can’t choose to believe that the creator of the universe sent his own son to die for the “sins” of other people. I don’t believe your God exists, I don’t believe Adam and Eve and all the bible prophets ever existed or Jesus. So I cannot choose to believe in things which I find to be nonsensical and completely unconvincing. So even if your religious beliefs was true it would be useless to people like me – since I can’t choose to believe that.

  136. Face_The_Truth says:

    For Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    Just admit it.

    You Christian M*****F***** do worship a imaginary Jesus F**king Christ.

  137. Ron says:

    The most evil religiously authorised discrimination system in the world which is being practised even today – Hindu Caste System -Manu Smirit.

    Manu divides Hindus into four varnas i.e. casteism. He not only divide Hindus into four varnas, he also grades them. Besides prescribing rank and occupation Manu grants privilege to swarnas and imposes penalties on the shudras.The status of the Shudras in the Hindu society as prescribed by Manu the Law-giver and the Architect of Hindu society. There are so many Codes of the Manu Smriti against the Shudras and Women which are below:

    1. For the welfare of humanity the supreme creator Brahma, gave birth to the Brahmins from his mouth, the Kshatriyas from his shoulders, the Vaishyas from his thighs and Shudras from his feet. (Manu’s code I-31,)

    2. God said the duty of a Shudra is to serve the upper varnas faithfully with devotion and without grumbling. (Manu 1-91) Manu is not satisfied with this. He wants this servile status of the Shudras to be expressed in the names and surnames of persons belonging to that community. Manu says:

    5. A hundred year old Kshatriya must treat a ten year old Brahmin boy as his father. (Manu 11-135)

    6. The Brahmin should never invite persons of other varnas for food. In case, the latter begs the Brahmin for food, the Brahmin may give them some left-over. Even these left-over must be served not by the Brahmin but by his servants outside the house. (Manu II2).

    8. A Shudra is unfit of receive education. The upper varnas should not impart education or give advice to a Shudra.It is not necessary that the Shudra should know the laws and codes and hence need not be taught. Violators will go to as amrita hell. (Manu IV-78 to 81)

    14. Any Brahmin, who enslaves or tries to enslave a Brahmin, is liable for a penalty of no less than 600 PANAS. A Brahmin can order a Shudra to serve him without any remuneration because the Shudra is created by Brahma to serve the Brahmins. Even if a Brahmin frees a Shudra from slavery the Shudra continue to be a slave as he is created for slavery. Nobody has the right to free him. (Manu VIII-50,56 and 59)

    15. A Shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invectives shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin. (Manu VIII. 270.)

    16. If he mentions the names and castes of the (twice born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red hot into his mouth. (Manu VIII. 271.)

    17. If a Shudra arrogantly presumes to preach religion to Brahmins, the king shall have poured burning oil in his mouth and ears. Manu VIII. 272.)

    18. A Shudra who has an intercourse with a woman of the higher caste guarded or unguarded shall be punished in the following manner; if she was unguarded, he loses the offending part; if she was guarded then he should be put to death and his property confiscated.” (Manu VIII. 374.)

    19. A Brahman may compel a Shudra, whether bought or unbought, to do servile work for he is created by the creator to be the slave of a Brahmana. (Manu VIII. 413.)

    20. No Shudra should have property of his own, He should have nothing of his own. The existence of a wealthy Shudra is bad for the Brahmins. A Brahman may take possession of the goods of a Shudra. (ManuVIII-417 & X129)
    21. A Brahman may seize without hesitation, if he be in distress for his subsistence, the goods of his Shudra. The Shudra can have only one occupation. This is one of the inexorable laws of Manu. says Manu. (Manu VIII. 417)

    23. The most sacred duty of a Shudra is to serve the Brahmins, always, reciting the words “Brahman” with utmost devotion. Such a Shudra will get salvation. Otherwise he will die a worst death and will go to the worst hell. (Manu X-121)

  138. Truth Seeker says:

    @Ron

    Things you are writing not familiar to me. I do not why call people themselves Hindu? Hindu means thief, black, looter name given by invaders to the people living in Indian sub continent.. Though these invaders themselves looters & thieves but they called looters and & thieves to their victims by calling them Hindus. Custom of Sati started in Hindus around 1300 A.C. when Malechc (Muslims) attacked on the fort of Chittod Garh in Rajputana state presently known as Rajasthan. When Rajputs were killed by Muslims their queens decided to to be Sati (Jump into fire) to save their dignity from Muslims.

  139. stanley says:

    Well, if you say Hinduism lays no claim to provide a book from God , that does not change the Jewish/Christian position.
    Immediately one see that not all rivers lead to the see, nor are all religions the same, nor are there many paths to the same God.

    The true God has revealed Himself through the spoken Word, the written Word and finally manifested as the Living word and dwelt amongst mankind in the person as Jesus Christ.
    We believe it is the word of God and word from God for all eternity- however the way we interpret it is paramount. The moral principles are eternal yet the ceremonial and sacrificial systems were for certain times and specifically for Jews.
    When Jesus came it was for the purpose of redeeming sinful man from present sinful lifestyle and eternal death in hell. That plan required the death of a sinless sacrifice, that’s the reason for the virgin birth, that was the reason Jews sacrificed animals for sin for so many centuries….all pointing to the sinless Lamb of God who takes away our sins.
    The Bible declares that all have sinned, there is no one perfect…according to God’s standards of holiness.
    God in his justice has to punish sin/sinners…yet he is also a God of love and mercy, choosing to accept all who come to Him by faith in the vicarious work of Christ on the cross.
    I don’t expect you to understand these concepts of redemption, salvation, justification…if you first cannot accept that you are a sinner.
    God has given each person free will to decide his own eternal destiny on the basis of revealed truth.

    It demands a personal decision from every one to accept or reject Christ and thus bear the consequences of their decision- nevertheless the heart of God is that all should come to repentance and be saved, as God is not willing that anyone should perish in hell.

    It is not whether your religious practice is better than mine or not…it is about living up to the holiness standards of Almighty God. I have not, nor could not by my own strength or will power because of the inherent sin nature….yet God in His mercy and love opened my heart to receive forgiveness of sin and to be his follower.
    So my friend if you want religion, there are many to choose from , but if you want Life there is only One and that is Jesus Christ who said:
    I am the Way, the Truth and the Life:

  140. For all the faults in the Hindu community, no Hindu book is claimed to the ‘Word of God’ including Vedas. Geeta is what Krishna told Arjun before the war, it was a conversation between Krishna & Arjun, not a book for mankind for all times to come. Hindu religion is capable of reform, and Hindus follow modern civil laws under the Constitution, not outdated things. To atone for past discrimination in caste, India gives reservation to the people from the lower castes, and has been giving for the past almost 70 years. Such flexibility is a positive point of the Hindus. Indian laws are all pro-women, in fact, they are draconian anti-men laws, with women able to imprison even innocent men in false cases. For all the benefits of the British Rule, the British also indulged in horrific crimes like the 1919 Jallianwala Bagh massacre, killing 300-400 innocent unarmed civilians, and brazenly justified the act, rewarding the killer General Dyer instead of taking any action. The great famine of 1943-44 in Bengal also saw many thousands of deaths due to British mishandling, they could have easily saved lives if they had wanted to.

    For all the faults in the society, the Hindus are by far the most tolerant people. In India, the Socialist policies followed by Jawaharlal Nehru (A known Hindu-baiter) saw low GDP growth rate of 2-3 or 4%. This low GDP growth rate, though Leftist or Socialist growth rate, was called by Leftists in India as the ‘Hindu rate of growth’ spiting on the Hindu community. The Hindu community took it in stride & never reacted violently against such people, who kept insulting the Hindu community. Will any community in any other country accept such a slander? Will Christians in USA, or Muslims in Pakistan accept low GDP growth rate as being called the ‘Christian rate of growth’ or ‘Muslim rate of growth’?

    Indian laws are also often discriminatory against Hindus. For e.g. Article 30 of the Indian Constitution gives the right to establish & manage educational institutions with government aid only to non-Hindus and not to Hindus, a privilege that led the Ramkrishna Mission to claim non-Hindu status in 1984. In India, Muslims have have 4 wives (polygamy), triple Talaq but Hindus can marry only once. For this privilege, many Hindus convert to Islam including high-profile VIPs e.g. ex-Deputy Chief Minister of the Indian state of Haryana, Chandra Mohan. Many schemes are made only for minorities, e.g. scholarships, fee waivers in educational courses, free bicycles, etc. Such policies are blatantly discriminatory on Hindus of India, and are promoted by greedy politicians for the sake of minority votes, and covered up by the Leftist mainstream media of India.

    Thinking Jews & Christians also know that is written in the Bible or Talmud isn’t necessarily so. But Islam cannot and does not accept reform, it claims to be the eternal truth, and the Quran as a word of God.

  141. Ron says:

    Sati (suicide and murder) done by Hindu god/godess

    In Hindu religion, Sati was the daughter of Daksha, son of the Hindu creator god Brahma. Sati was in love with Shiva, god of destruction, but her father forbade her to have anything to do with him. Her father’s objections eventually led Sati to her death.

    To find a husband for his daughter, Daksha held a gathering of the gods. Sati was to throw a bouquet of flowers into the air and marry the one who caught it. The only god not invited was Shiva. However, Sati prayed to Shiva, who appeared at the gathering and caught the flowers. Enraged, Daksha had to permit the two to marry

    After Sati’s wedding, her father planned a ceremony involving a sacrifice, and again he invited all the gods except Shiva. Unable to persuade her father to invite her husband, Sati threw herself into the sacrificial fire and burned to death. Shiva, overcome by grief, took Sati’s body from the flames and began to dance with it. His violent dance threatened to destroy the entire universe. Finally, the god Vishnu* cut Sati’s body into pieces, and Shiva ended his dance. According to some versions of the story, Vishnu later brought Sati back to life. The legend of Sati leaping into the fire is sometimes used to explain the Indian tradition of suttee, in which a widow throws herself onto her dead husband’s funeral pyre.

    The Practice of Sati was first banned in Goa in 1515 by the Portuguese, but it was not that much prevalent there.


    This evil practice was banned by the Dutch and French also in Chinsura and Pondicherry respectively.

    The British permitted it initially but the practice of Sati was first formally banned in city of Calcutta in 1798, but it continued in the surrounding areas.

    The Bengal Presidency started collecting facts and figures on the practice of Sati in 1813. The data showed that in 1817 only, 700 widows were burnt alive in Bengal alone.


    From 1812 onwards, it was Raja Rammohan Roy, who started his own campaign against the Sati practice.


    His own sister-in-law had been forced to commit Sati.


    Raja Rammohan Roy used to visit the Calcutta cremation grounds to persuade widows not to so die. He also formed the watch groups. In Sambad Kaumudi he wrote articles and showed that it was not written in any Veda or epics to commit this crime.

    It was on 4 December 1829, when the practice was formally banned in all the lands under Bengal Presidency by Lord William Bentinck.


    By this regulation, the people who abetted sati were declared guilty of “culpable homicide.”

    The ban was challenged in the courts. The matter went to the Privy Council in London. The Privy Council upheld the ban in 1832. After that other territories also started following banning, but it remained legal in princely states, particularly in the Rajputana where it was very common.


    Under the British control, Jaipur banned the practice in 1846.

    Say thanks to the British who outlawed Sati

  142. Ron says:

    Rape, Incest And Sodomy In The Hindu Religion by Hindu gods

    Let’s look at examples of these Hindu ‘Holy’ Relationships:

    * Brother And Sister Sex :: Holy Rig Veda :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Pushan had a physical relationship with his Sister Shurya

    * Brother and Sister Sex :: Rig Veda :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Agni is the lover of his own sister.

    * Brother and Sister Sex :: Rig Veda :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who were sisters.

    * Lord Krishna Incest :: Lord Krishna lived in incest with his sister Subhadra, sharing her with his brother Balarama [Mah.wh.153 ]

    * Father And Daughter Incest :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had a physical relationship with his Daughter Sarasvati. In the Holy Purans, Brahma explains the validity and divine power of this relationship.

    * Father and Daughter Incest :: Holy Rig Veda :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Agni is the son of his father and his own sister. The Ashvins are referred to as the sons of Savitar and Ushas who are brother and sister.

    * Sex With Prostitutes :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had a physical relationship with Urvasi (a sex worker), their son’s name was Rishi Vasishta

    * Intermatial Sex :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had relationship with Parvati. Their son’s name was Agasthiar

    * Sex With Animals :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had a sexual relationship with a Bear. A son called Jambu Vandan was born from this act of bestiality.

    * Sex With A Dead Body (Necrophilia) :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had sex with a dead body in a cremation ground. His son Salliyan was born from this necrophilia.

    http://www.sikharchives.com/?p=19589

  143. Ron says:

    This is National Geographic telling you about the evils of the Hindu Caste System

    To be born a Hindu in India is to enter the caste system, one of the world’s longest surviving forms of social stratification. Embedded in Indian culture for the past 1,500 years, the caste system follows a basic precept: All men are created unequal. The ranks in Hindu society come from a legend in which the main groupings, or varnas, emerge from a primordial being. From the mouth come the Brahmans—the priests and teachers. From the arms come the Kshatriyas—the rulers and soldiers. From the thighs come the Vaisyas—merchants and traders. From the feet come the Sudras—laborers. Each varna in turn contains hundreds of hereditary castes and subcastes with their own pecking orders.

    A fifth group describes the people who are achuta, or untouchable. The primordial being does not claim them. Untouchables are outcasts—people considered too impure, too polluted, to rank as worthy beings. Prejudice defines their lives, particularly in the rural areas, where nearly three-quarters of India’s people live. Untouchables are shunned, insulted, banned from temples and higher caste homes, made to eat and drink from separate utensils in public places, and, in extreme but not uncommon cases, are raped, burned, lynched, and gunned down.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0306/feature1/

  144. Face_The_Truth says:

    Christians cannot and will not accept TRUTH.

    TRUTH to Christians is what sunlight is to Tuberculosis germs!

    Christianity requires one to abandon TRUTH and seek darkness as companion to go to fool’s paradise.

    We all probably have heard that fools always love to live in a paradise; so, only a paradise can make Christians of all ages feel comfortable long after their deaths.

    When Muslims talk about Islamic paradise, Muslims actually use the lure of Islamic paradise to invite their faithfuls to murder non-Muslims and enslave non-Muslims on earth in order to live comfortably by the perpetual consumption of non-Muslims’ lands and properties.

    So, Muslims are very clever indeed, as Muslims appear very moderate people living in non-Muslim-majority countries.

    History shows that, the moment Muslims become a majority, non-Muslims start to lose their everything!

    LINK

    http://www.teaparty.org/hillary-clintons-faith-based-tie-radical-islam-186823/

  145. stanley says:

    To Why?
    Have you learnt the difference between morning star and the bright and morning star yet my friend?
    Can you not see that Satan as a deceiver wants to be like God, he will imitate every title of the true and living God so he can deceive simple-minded folks like yourself who come to the very conclusion that you have drawn.
    Can you not see how easily you were deceived. Does not your common sense powers dictate that although there may be a counterfeit dollar out there it is not the same as the real one- in spite of how it looks, feels or by what title it comes by?
    How is it that you cannot come to the conclusion that Jesus is God by using that same method of comparing Old Testament verses with the New Testament ones: for eg.
    I am the first and the last
    Beside me there is no Saviour
    I am that I am

    You call Jesus Satan…..
    When you go to hell, you know the reason WHY

  146. stanley says:

    Steve…how is it that you make such outlandish statements without the slightest conviction in your mind that you are wrong!! Can a person be so self-deceived?
    Go and read the gospels again and the writings of Paul…..you credit him with devotion and yet you fail to see how he was converted dummy!
    He had a supernatural encounter with the RESURRECTED JESUS, this is a greater testimony than experiencing the ministry of Jesus prior to his death…that is why he was able to defend the gospel against the brilliant Jewish religious leaders, Greek scholars, Roman leaders and win those arguments…
    Unfortunately when it came to dumbbells like yourselves, Paul lost!

    Do yourself a favour Steve…read Bruce’s book…Can we trust the New Testament… and Morrison’s Who moved the stone.
    Maybe there is hope for someone like you after all.

  147. stanley says:

    Obviously you are unable to convert anybody into anything- not with your crap sense of reasoning and belief system you display.
    So now you question the place called Nazareth….go on blind man and lead the blind with you….no wonder Jesus said, “‘Don’t throw your pearls to swine…”
    Reading your post makes me think of one writer who stated that…it is not the fire in hell that scares him, it is the fact that to be amongst millions of dummies together in one place is unbearable.
    I’m sure you were his inspiration for that comment.

  148. Steve says:

    To Steve– the lack of an eyewitness does not in itself mean there is a lack of truth. “Nevertheless we have the eyewitness accounts of the gospel writers, who were with Jesus himself and who died for him. So your argument holds no water. You must give the benefit to those who stated that they were at the events described,and the onus is on you to disprove it and not the other way around.” No you don’t the gospels was written decades after Jesus after was supposed to have died, the authors are unknown and the names are made up.

    “When we studied the life of Abraham Lincoln written by authors who were born 50 years after Lincoln died. did anyone say that they did not believe the author due to the fact that the author was not an eyewitness. NO!” We don’t even know who the authors are.

    “That author had access to information that was handed down by eyewitnesses- his duty was to record and judge the veracity of it prior to publishing his own work.” So these mysterious authors had access to “information that was handed by eyewitnesses” (which means you admit the gospels are not eyewitness accounts and what you wrote above was lies?) but these eyewitnesses themselves wrote jack shit? Even Paul (who would have been in Israel at that time and a devoted Jew almost certainly would have at least seen some of the events recorded in the gospels) wrote jack shit about Jesus, his followers or any of the events in the gospels? Maybe because they never happened and was made up stories? (Which only became adopted much later by “the church” (as there was hundreds of competing gospels and “Christianity’s).
    “Using that same argument why don’t you question the modern day critics |(including yourself) – Were you there to witness that such a thing did NOT happen as recorded?” There is plenty of evidence for say Julius Cesar there is no evidence for any Jesus Christ at all.

  149. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    [British Imperialism had both good and bad effects on India.]

    Most of the things on earth have (or had) both GOOD and BAD effects on someone or something.

    So. British Christian Imperialism was NO exception in that view point, especially when Indian “Hindus” like M.K. Gandhi and Indian Muslims like J.L. Nehru tried their best to denigrate “Hinduism” in every way possible for the benefits of Indian Christians and Indian Muslims.

    [Prior to the gradual British conquering full of India, history records that NO ruler whether foreign (Muslims, Afghans, Persians, Greek) or Asian/Indian could rule over all parts of present day India. Even the Maurya Empire and Ashoka considered the largest empire in 250 BC did not rule (East Bengal and the southern states of Tamil Nadu and Kerala.).]

    This is a false propaganda generated by British Christian Imperialists and followers of Indian “Hindu” like M.K. Gandhi and Indian Muslim like J.L. Nehru.

    Just click on the LINK below to view how big the “Hindu” Maurya Empire was even when “Hindu” Maurya Empire did have certain political reason to not control all regions of Indian sub-continent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_Empire#/media/File:Maurya_Empire,_c.250_BCE_2.png

    [When the British set foot in India it was ruled by more than thousand independent kingdoms with the Mughals from Delhi ruling the largest area.]

    Indian subcontinent was comprised of both autonomous and semi-autonomous “Hindu” kingdoms throughout the millennia prior to Islamic invasions.

    There’s nothing unusual about that.

    Fact of the matter, however, is Muslim invaders could NEVER rule the ENTIRE Indian sub-continent at any specific or given time-period.

    [The British conquered India gradually and united India under one flag (Union Jack) by having one Viceroy/GG.]

    British Christian Imperialism had NO other option.

    Muslim invaders did NOT invade India entirely in one attempt either; Muslim invaders did gradually too.

    Plus, British Christian Imperialism needed “Hindus”, Gurkhas, and Sikhs to fight against Indian Muslim rulers to gradually occupy MOST of the Indian sub-continent, since there were areas like Pondicherry, as one example, which was not under British rule.

    [If they had separate Viceroys for small regions has they the French, Spanish and Portuguese did in Africa and Latin America then India would have been fragmented and broken up into small independent states that would be warring against each other.]

    False speculation at best.

    The above argument is always presented to justify “Partition” of 1947 A.D. by British Christian Imperialists and followers of Indian “Hindu” like M.K. Gandhi and Indian Muslim like J.L. Nehru.

    Medieval Indian history shows that, although “Hindu” kingdoms were autonomous and separate from each other, “Hindu” kingdoms did NOT side with Muslim invaders against their one common enemy “Hindu” kingdom when Muslim invaders invaded, for example.

    [The Hindu religion was never a unifying factor. If it was then foreigners (the British, Afghans, Muslims, French) would never be able to rule India.]

    This is the same argument always presented to justify “Partition” of 1947 A.D. by British Christian Imperialists and the followers of Indian “Hindu” like M.K. Gandhi and Indian Muslim like J.L. Nehru.

    [Before the British took total control over all of India there was (and there still exists even now) the bad practises mentioned below which have been going along for thousands of years since the time Manu Smriti was established (much before historical Jesus Christ was born as a man). The British stopped or outlawed many of them and they faced a lot of opposition from Hindus and Muslims.]

    This is a FALSE argument still being presented by British Christian Imperialists and followers of Indian “Hindu” like M.K. Gandhi and Indian Muslim like J.L. Nehru.

    Christian Missionaries have been using the same above arguments since their arrival in Indian subcontinent too.

    [1) Caste system. (The only religion where you discriminate against your fellow religions. Considered even worse than apartheid)/ There is and was an established pecking order. Brahmans, Kshatriyas, Vaishnavas, and the Shudras. You could not change the caste (and by extension the job/duties and chance of education) you were born in. Atrocities on Dalits and minorities is very rampant.even now.]

    Falsehood again.

    “Hinduism” does NOT say one cannot change occupation and one must live in the one of his/her birth.

    Indeed, Bhagwan Shri Krishna said, work is divided amognst people based on their abilities, characters, and temperaments.

    Chatur-varnyam maya sristam
    Guna-karma-vibhagasah

    Bhagwan Shri Krishna did NOT say, even if one is incapable of doing warriors’ job, s/he must be a Kshatriya.

    [2) Sati (burning of widows either suicidal, voluntary or through force)]

    “Sati” was not practiced everywhere.

    “Hinduism” NEVER commanded “Sati” as a religious obligation.

    Raja Ram Mohun Roy and many other “Hindu” reformers did eradicate “Sati” since “Hindus” recognized that “Sati” is a criminal act in the guise of “religion” and British Christian Imperialists passed law to ban “Sati” with the strong agreement from “Hindu” reformers.

    I DO NOT have time; otherwise, I could have written extensively about “Sati” in this post.

    [3) Thugs and Pindharis (A religious practice of conning, poisoning and killings of travellers and offering the booty to a Hindu deity.)]

    Falsehood again.

    Everything that you — Ron_the_Christian_M*****F***** — have written in your post is in support of British Christian Imperialism as well as in favor of “Partition of 1947 A.D.”

    If “Hindus” of India are so bad, please quit India.

    “Hinduism” does NOT and “Hindus” do NOT need your Jesus F**king Christ.

    Go sell your precious merchandise of Jesus F**king Christ to your Muslim brothers and Muslim friends whom Christian M*****F****** like yourself helped create “Pakistan” in the first place in 1947 A.D.

  150. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for screen-name Stanley_the_Christian_Liar:

    I know TRUTH hurts Christians more than what TRUTH does to Muslims.

    Because, TRUTH doesn’t matter in Islam since, to this day, faithful Muslims will behead anyone who refuses to submit to Islam.

    However, Christians always claim to be VERY rational creatures; so, here it goes!

    Falsehood is falsehood.

    Christianity is based on LIES after LIES after LIES.

    Caveat emptor: If you like to believe in dog$hit as your God, that’s your right.

    I do NOT try to convert anyone into anything.

    ‘Since Jesus is frequently referred to as “Jesus of Nazareth,” it is interesting to learn that the town now called “Nazareth” did NOT exist in the first centuries B.C. and A.D.

    Exhaustive archaeological studies have been done by Franciscans (i.e., fundamentalist Christians) to prove the cave they possess was once the home of Jesus’ family.

    But actually archaeological studies have shown the site to have been a necropolis — a city of the dead — during the first century A.D.

    Naturally, the Franciscans (i.e., fundamentalist Christians) cannot agree!

    With no “Nazareth” other than a cemetery existing at the time, how could there have been a “Jesus of Nazareth”?

    Without an Oz, could there have been a Wizard of Oz?’

    Source: L. Gordon Rylands, “Did Jesus Ever Live?”, Watts & Co., London, 1929, p. 20.

  151. stanley says:

    To Steve– the lack of an eyewitness does not in itself mean there is a lack of truth. Nevertheless we have the eyewitness accounts of the gospel writers, who were with Jesus himself and who died for him. So your argument holds no water. You must give the benefit to those who stated that they were at the events described,and the onus is on you to disprove it and not the other way around.

    When we studied the life of Abraham Lincoln written by authors who were born 50 years after Lincoln died. did anyone say that they did not believe the author due to the fact that the author was not an eyewitness. NO!
    That author had access to information that was handed down by eyewitnesses- his duty was to record and judge the veracity of it prior to publishing his own work.

    Using that same argument why don’t you question the modern day critics |(including yourself) – Were you there to witness that such a thing did NOT happen as recorded?

  152. Steve says:

    Stanley (and other Christians) see this http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

    The guy never existed a eyewitness was there at the time and made no mention of any Jesus, his disciples or any Christians. . http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/philo.html
    “As it happens, we have an excellent witness to events in Judaea and the Jewish diaspora in the first half of the first century AD: Philo of Alexandria (c25 BC-47 AD).

    Philo was an old man when he led an embassy from the Jews to the court of Emperor Gaius Caligula. The year was 39-40 AD. Philo clearly, then, lived at precisely the time that “Jesus of Nazareth” supposedly entered the world to a chorus of angels, enthralled the multitudes by performing miracles, and got himself crucified.”

    “Much as Josephus would, a half century later, Philo wrote extensive apologetics on theJewish religion and commentaries on contemporary politics. About thirty manuscripts and at least 850,000 words are extant. Philo offers commentary on all the major characters of the Pentateuch and, as we might expect, mentions Moses more than a thousand times.
    Yet Philo says not a word about Jesus, Christianity nor any of the events described in the New Testament. In all this work, Philo makes not a single reference to his alleged contemporary “Jesus Christ”, the godman who supposedly was perambulating up and down the Levant, exorcising demons, raising the dead and causing earthquake and darkness at his death.”

    This confirms what face the truth said about Christian scribes
    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephus-etal.html “Not a single writer before the 4th century – not Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, Arnobius, etc. – in all their defences against pagan hostility, makes a single reference to Josephus’ wondrous words.
    The third century Church ‘Father’ Origen, for example, spent half his life and a quarter of a million words contending against the pagan writer Celsus. Origen drew on all sorts of proofs and witnesses to his arguments in his fierce defence of Christianity. He quotes from Josephus extensively. Yet even he makes no reference to this ‘golden paragraph’ from Josephus, which would have been the ultimate rebuttal. In fact, Origen actually said that Josephus was “not believing in Jesus as the Christ.”

    Origen did not quote the ‘golden paragraph’ because this paragraph had not yet been written.

    It was absent from early copies of the works of Josephus and did not appear in Origen’s third century version of Josephus, referenced in his Contra Celsum”

    “In fact, the Josephus paragraph about Jesus does not appear until the beginning of the fourth century, at the time of Constantine.

    Bishop Eusebius, that great Church propagandist and self-confessed liar-for-god, was the first person known to have quoted this paragraph of Josephus, about the year 340 AD. This was after the Christians had become the custodians of religious correctness.

    Whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Christians. Yet unlike the works of his Jewish contemporaries, the histories of Josephus survived. They survived because the Christian censors had a use for them. They planted evidence on Josephus, turning the leading Jewish historian of his day into a witness for Jesus Christ ! Finding no references to Jesus anywhere in Josephus’s genuine work, they interpolated a brief but all-embracing reference based purely on Christian belief.

    Do we need to look any further to identify Eusebius himself as the forger?

    Sanctioned by the imperial propagandist every Christian commentator for the next thirteen centuries accepted unquestioningly the entire Testimonium Flavianum, along with its declaration that Jesus “was the Messiah.”

  153. Ron says:

    British Imperialism had both good and bad effects on India.

    Prior to the gradual British conquering full of India, history records that NO ruler whether foreign (Muslims, Afghans, Persians, Greek) or Asian/Indian could rule over all parts of present day India. Even the Maurya Empire and Ashoka considered the largest empire in 250 BC did not rule (East Bengal and the southern states of Tamil Nadu and Kerala.).

    When the British set foot in India it was ruled by more than thousand independent kingdoms with the Mughals from Delhi ruling the largest area.

    The British conquered India gradually and united India under one flag (Union Jack) by having one Viceroy/GG. If they had separate Viceroys for small regions has they the French, Spanish and Portuguese did in Africa and Latin America then India would have been fragmented and broken up into small independent states that would be warring against each other.

    The Hindu religion was never a unifying factor. If it was then foreigners (the British, Afghans, Muslims, French) would never be able to rule India.

    Before the British took total control over all of India there was (and there still exists even now) the bad practises mentioned below which have been going along for thousands of years since the time Manu Smriti was established (much before historical Jesus Christ was born as a man).

    The British stopped or outlawed many of them and they faced a lot of opposition from Hindus and Muslims.
    1) Caste system. (The only religion where you discriminate against your fellow religions. Considered even worse than apartheid)/ There is and was an established pecking order. Brahmans, Kshatriyas, Vaishnavas and the Shudras. You could not change the caste (and by extension the job/duties and chance of education) you were born in. Atrocities on Dalits and minorities is very rampant.even now.
    2) Sati (burning of widows either suicidal, voluntary or through force)
    3) Thugs and Pindharis (A religious practice of conning, poisoning and killings of travellers and offering the booty to a Hindu deity.)
    4) Child marriages (marring toddlers, infants) to children and to adults
    5) Marrying humans to animals, snakes, frog, trees, stones and pots etc.
    6) Child labour and slavery (Highest slavery and child labour in the world)
    7) Polyandry and polygamy
    8) Generational slavery and bondage (The child had to pay their ancestors loans)
    9) Hindu religiously sanctioned Temple prostitution (Devadasis still exists even today)
    10) Widows could not remarry.
    11) Worshipping cow, monkeys, snakes, rats, birds, trees, sun, moon, ancestors, stones, money (bank notes and coins), penis, vagina, fire, water, cow’s urine, cow dung.

    If you want the Hindu Scriptures, Vedic or Puranic or Manu Smriti proof for the above practices it can be given and is easily available.

    http://www.newlovetimes.com/weird-marriage-rituals-india/

    Today India is progressing NOT because of Sanskrit but because of ENGLISH given to them by the British.

    British Imperialism is not Christianity though many of the British were Christians.

    The Christians were the ones who established hospitals, schools, Universities, orphanages, leprosy, old age homes etc.

    If today you find in India some or all the points mentioned (1 to 11) still going on then you cannot blame the British but mainly the Hindu and lesser the Buddhist and Muslim religious practices, present and past Indian governments at the federal, state and sub-state levels.

  154. Face_The_Truth says:

    =====================================================================
    This message is for screen-name Stanley_the_Christian_Liar:

    ‘The most remarkable case is that of Flavius Josephus who lived from AD 36 or 37 to 99 or 100.

    Flavius Josephus completed two monumental works — “The Jewish War” in 77 AD and the “Antiquities of the Jews” fifteen years later.

    The histories mention NO “Jesus Christ”.

    Josephus’ first work relates to AD 66-74 when the Romans put down a widespread Jewish rebellion in Roman “Palestine”, and by which time the Christian church at Jerusalem IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE FUNCTIONED FOR 35 YEARS.

    The work has NOT a word about “Jesus” or his followers.

    Christian apologists point to TWO PASSAGES, one long and the other very short, which mention “Jesus” as A WISE MAN and also as “Christ”.

    But SCHOLARS HAVE PROVED QUITE CONVINCINGLY THAT both of them are either clumsy Christian interpolations or have been tempered with by Christian scribes.

    It has to be remembered that NONE OF THE MANUSCRIPTS OF Josephus’ “Antiquities of the Jews” IS OLDER THAN THE ELEVENTH CENTURY, so that Christian scribes have had ample opportunities for tempering with the text.’

    Sources:

    William Benjamin Smith, “Ecce Deus: Studies of Primitive Christianity”, London, 1912, pp. 230-37;

    Will Durant, “The Story of Civilization, Part III, Caesar And Christ”, Fourth Printing, New York, 1944, p. 552;

    Paul Johnson, “A History of Christianity”, Penguin Books, London, 1978, p. 21;

    Ian Wilson, “Jesus: The Evidence”, Pan Books, 1985, pp. 51-54;

    Michael Arnheim, “Is Christianity True?”, London, 1984, p. 4;

    G.A. Wells, “Did Jesus Exist?”, London, 1986, pp. 10-11.

    =====================================================================

    Now, as all readers at the FaithFreedom.Org website can realize “Christianity” is the biggest lie perpetrated on mankind (or humankind or womankind) by Christian Churches, which can ONLY be compared with Islam for Islam’s genocidal ideology of iconoclasm (i.e., destroying other religions, murdering other religious people, and looting other religious people’s lands and properties by means of beheading, stoning, amputation of limbs, arson, systematic rape of females of all ages, and last but not least, impoverishing non-believers of Islam).

    Islam is based on old Jewish scriptures that said:

    Jewish God (i.e., Jehovah) promised his chosen people that he would give them “great and goodly cities THEY BUILDED NOT, and wells which THEY DIGGED NOT, vineyards and olive trees THEY PLANTED NOT”. (Deut. 6.10-11).

    So, Muslims of the genocidal ideology of Islam — throughout our known history — looted non-Muslims’ lands and properties wherever Muslims went; because, to this day Muslims believe that non-Muslims’ lands and non-Muslims’ properties belong to Allah and Allah’s last messenger.

    Christianity is based on LIES after LIES after LIES; so, Christians united with defeated Muslims of Indian sub-continent in 19th century A.D.

    Let’s ask our cumulative conscience today, who created “Pakistan” in the first place?

    Answer: British Christian imperialists!

    British Christian imperialists wrote the history of the Indian sub-continent and taught Indian Civil Service officers that everything that was good about Indian culture was due to foreign Muslim invaders’ “contributions” to that vast land-mass; because, native “Hindu” people were as dumb as wood throughout the millennia for “Hindu” people’s innate inability to build and sustain anything great.

    British Christian imperialists said, Aryans were foreigners from Western Europe who came to Indian sub-continent during pre-historic time and defeated the Dravidians and, by that narrative, Indian native “Hindu” people had NOTHING to be proud of.

    British Christian imperialists injected the FALSE PRIDE amongst defeated Indian Muslims of 19th century A.D. that Indian Muslims were the descendants of superior Arab Muslims of superior Arab culture and Indian Muslims should NOT live side by side with unclean “Hindu” Kuffars in an independent undivided India, rather Indian Muslims should have their separate country of Islamic purity where a superior Islamic culture based on Islamic “Holy” book al’Quran and via the practice of soon’Nah (i.e., Islam’s founder’s behavior and lifestyle) should thrive for perpetuity.

    British Christian intellectuals fed the Indian Muslims of 19th century A.D. with FALSE NOTION of Islam’s founder’s super-human stature and, thereafter, British-educated Indian Muslims for the first time in human history in the early 20th century A.D. propagated the absolute false notion of Islam being “A Religion of Peace”.

    It was the master geo-political plan of British Christian imperialists all along as British Christian imperialists militarily defeated the Indian Sikhs so that Sikh-controlled-areas could be to delivered to seditious Muslims in North-West Frontier of Indian sub-continent.

    British Christian imperialists were actively upholding all unreasonable demands of defeated Indian Muslims against Indian “Hindus” ever since the “Great War of Independence” of 1857-59 A.D.

    In 1901 A.D., Lord Curzon, the Viceroy, detached some districts from Punjab and created a new separate Muslim majority province of North West Frontier Province (NWFP).

    In 1903 A.D., Lord Curzon declared his intention to partition “Bengal” to create a Muslim-majority Province of “East Bengal”.

    In 1905 A.D., British Christian imperialists divided Bengal Presidency (i.e., Bengal Province, since the word “Presidency” might confuse some today’s young readers) into “West Bengal” and “East Bengal” based solely on calculated Muslim population and the “East Bengal” ultimately became “East Pakistan” in 1947 A.D. due to Muslim majority population there.

    Seditious Muslim Aga Khan’s infamous petition to British Christian imperialist Lord Minto, the new Viceroy, pleading that Muslims should be treated as separate from Indian “Hindus” and, thereafter, “Muslim League” was started in Dacca (now Bangladesh).

    In 1909 A.D., Morley-Minto reforms by British Christian imperialists — separate electorates were granted to seditious Indian Muslims.

    In 1935 A.D., “Sindh” was separated from Bombay Province by the British Christian imperialists, thus creating another Muslim-majority Province for seditious Indian Muslims!

    Finally, Indian sub-continent was partitioned in 1947 A.D., which created the exclusive Sunni-Muslim states named “East Pakistan” and “West Pakistan” — that ended in either outright murder or permanent exile to neighboring countries of all “Hindus” then living in newly created “Pakistan”.

    British Christian imperialists were driven by the faith in Jesus F**king Christ who to this day allows Christians to live by GREED, PERVERSION, CHILD-MOLESTATION, NON-STOP LYING, and RAPE OF “Hindus”.

  155. stanley says:

    Quoting Josephus:
    About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.

    – Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 §63

    Face the Truth needs to face THE TRUTH

  156. stanley says:

    Well another demon possessed responder…seems like you are the only thinking man on this site…so why do you resort to vulgarity…..amazing that so many non-christians seems to have a dislike for the name of Jesus..(mmmnn I wonder where that hate comes from!!!)

    As you state that my hypothetical man who truly loves his wife will take her out of promiscuity, that is exactly what Jesus did dummy…..have you not read how he changed the lives of adulterer, prostitute and sinners?
    But you are missing the point here- it is no problem for you as a Hindu to worship a rat, snake, man, women, or the true God at the same time (so much for your level of thinking), because it is false anyway- all falsehood will accept lies and truth, thus being all inclusive…however truth can never accept even the slightest falsehood, whether it is 4000 years old or not- older does not mean better….
    Anyway, you think Jesus existed from only 2000 years ago, then you are more stupid than I thought….The earliest Jewish Scriptures teach the eternity of Christ, who was only manifested in the flesh 2000 years ago.
    But as Jesus also said…if you cannot understand and believe earthly things how can you be expected to believe heavenly things…

  157. Face_The_Truth says:

    [stanley:
    Being English is not christian, as there are many — English folks who are atheists or irreligious. are you talking about the atrocities of colonialism- then you are right…]

    It’s like saying that Muslim Jihadists are not Muslims.

    It’s like saying that Iranian Shi’ites are NOT Muslims.

    LINK

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/saudi-arabias-grand-mufti-says-iranians-are-not-muslims

    [But remember this: the disciple of Jesus, Thomas took the Gospel to India in the first century.]

    Falsity again.

    History shows that Thomas did not come to India.

    [That is the Christianity of the bible and the one we follow…and when did the British come to India?]

    No, what you follow is falsehood.

    Your Christian path is the path of darkness built on falsehood, greed, and perversion.

    [For preaching about God’s love how did Thomas die…by the hands of Hindu priests!]

    Falsehood again.

    Falsehood have been perpetrated all over Indian indigenous people both by Christian Missionaries and by Indian so-called “Marxist” as well as Indian Muslim historians.

    “…the Christian establishment propagates the view that apostle Thomas landed in India in 52 AD; IT HAS NO SCHOLARLY [OR HISTORICAL] SUPPORT …

    J.L. Nehru is frequently quoted by Christian historians in order to point out that the Christianity which was brought to India by St. Thomas and which the Syrian Christians practise till today,…

    Mercifully, Fr. Bede Griffiths does not repeat the currently fashionable Christian story that Christianity was brought to India in 52 A.D. by St. Thomas.

    Fr. Bede Griffiths opts for sober history which records that the first Christians came to Malabar in the second half of the fifth century.”

    LINK

    https://orphicplatonism.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/jesus-christ-an-artifice-for-aggression-by-sita-ram-goel.pdf

    ‘… the holy cross church at Jerusalem has been built after demolishing a temple dedicated to Venus, a Pagan Goddess of ancient Greece and Rome.

    The crime was committed at the behest of Constantine, the Roman emperor who converted to Christianity, simply because his mother, Helena, saw in a dream that Jesus had been crucified at that place.

    Emperor Constantine’s minions had NO problem in “unearthing” a cross and claiming the site!

    We have many instances of such crosses being “unearthed” in South India, particularly at places where St. Thomas is supposed to have built the first seven churches.’

    […true Christianity can never be spread by force — only by appealing to the free will of the hearers.]

    Muslims say the exactly same thing that Islam has no compulsion.

    BUT, ACTUAL REALITY IS DIFFERENT.

    [So Hinduism is a molypot of all religious concepts, views and practices with no one being excluded!]

    Sanãtana Dharma (aka “Hinduism”) is older than your Jesus F**king Christ’s birth.

    And, Sanãtana Dharma will remain even after your false “Son of God” disappears from many people’s mind.

    Sanãtana Dharma (aka “Hinduism”) doesn’t need to take “concepts” from other religious concepts.

    Because, WHENEVER Sanãtana Dharma (aka “hinduism”) does that, it falls In the gutter as the Nirguna Bhakti saints fell during medieval time when those Nirguna Bhakti saints followed strict Islamic “monotheism” in the veneer of “Hinduism”.

    Sanãtana Dharma (aka “Hinduism”) says that, a human being can believe in only One God.

    Sanãtana Dharma (aka “Hinduism”) teaches that, a human being can believe in many Gods as s/he prefers.

    Sanãtana Dharma (aka “Hinduism”) also shows that, a human being can believe in NO God; rather, believe in her/his own Karma.

    Sanãtana Dharma (aka “Hinduism”) teaches that, a human being can practice Karma Yoga, Jnana yoga, and Rāja yoga – depending on individual temperament(s) — to attain her/his spiritual goal(s).

    [Well tell that to the hundreds of millions of Dalits and oppressed in India caused by this demonic caste system created and perpetuated by Hindu religious leaders.]

    Without eradicating it, the Caste System was perpetuated by Muslim invaders as well as Christian invaders by keeping certain percentage of Indian people under extreme poverty.

    The only way to eradicate social ills is to improve economic health of impoverished people.

    Both Muslim and Christian occupiers of Indian sub-continent kept Indian people oppressed for centuries.

    [Just because you have an all inclusive religion does not make it true.]

    Just because you Christians believe that Jesus F**king Christ is the “Son of God” instead of “Son of a Whore”, it doesn’t make your Christianity any truer.

    [It’s like a man married to a promiscuous woman… she tells the husband: I don’t have a problem if you sleep around, just don’t stop me from doing it!]

    First of all, why would a man knowingly marry a “promiscuous” woman, unless he also has the similar inclination(s)?

    Second, just like Christians believe that Joshua Ben-Joseph was the “Son of God”, your hypothetical man (i.e., from your example of the man who marries a promiscuous woman) must be as delusional as world’s Christians are.

    [It is the husband’s moral stance that makes him to be jealous of his wife whom he loves. that jealousy is good and it is a fruit of true love.]

    Jealousy is never good.

    In Sanãtana Dharma, Arishadvarga are the six PASSIONS of mind or desire:
    Kama (lust), Krodha (anger), Lobh (greed), Moha (attachment), Mada or Ahankar (pride) and Matsarya (jealousy); the negative characteristics of which prevent a man (or a woman) from attaining Moksha or salvation.

    If your hypothetical man truly LOVES his wife, he should try to bring her out of promiscuous mentality and promiscuous lifestyle.

    Because, the truth is promiscuous lifestyle may deliver many kinds of sexually-transmitted-diseases to the promiscuous individuals.

    [In the same way the true God cannot accept any belief system that is outside His circle of truth, no matter how good and acceptable to people it may appear.]

    Sounds like your God is truly a jealous god who has problems with other people’s gods.

    Sarcasm aside, truth doesn’t depend on one individual’s or many individuals’ deeds.

    Truth eventually and always comes out as long as humans can think.

    A thinking man (or woman) can be a dangerous thing!

    If Muslims can think, there’ll be NO Islam on earth.

    Similarly, if Christians could think, there wouldn’t have been deaths of millions of Jews in Europe 75 years ago.

    [The truth is the truth…and when it is polluted with even a little bit of falsehood, then it is NO longer pure.]

    Your own statement makes your Christianity the lowest of the low, because CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON LIES AFTER LIES.

    LINK
    https://orphicplatonism.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/jesus-christ-an-artifice-for-aggression-by-sita-ram-goel.pdf

  158. stanley says:

    Being English is not Christian,as there are many – English folks who are atheists or irreligious. Are you talking about the atrocities of colonialism- then you are right…but remember this: The disciple of Jesus, Thomas took the gospel to India in the first century. That is the Christianity of the Bible and the one we follow..and when did the British come to India?
    For preaching about God’s love how did Thomas die…by the hands of Hindu priests!
    true Christianity can never be spread by force- only by appealing to the free will of the hearers.
    So Hinduism is a molypot of all religious concepts, views and practices with no one being excluded!! Well tell that to the hundreds of millions of Dalits and oppressed in India caused by this demonic caste system cretaed and perpetuated bu Hindu religious leaders.
    Just because you have an all inclusive religion does not make it true. It’s like a man married to a promiscuous woman… she tells the husband: I don’t have a problem if you sleep around, just don’t stop me from doing it!
    It is the husband’s moral stance that makes him to be jealous of his wife whom he loves. That jealousy is good and it is a fruit of true love.
    In the same way the true God cannot accept any belief system that is outside hos circle of truth, no matter how good and acceptable to people it may appear.
    The truth is the Truth…and when it is polluted with even a little bit of falsehood, then it is no longer pure.

  159. Face_The_Truth says:

    “Ali Sina has stopped throwing the pearls to the pigs.”

    Where to begin here?

    Does Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina also tell you to avoid history or falsify historical records in support of your bogus religious claims?

    After all, Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina is NOT the historic Avicenna (i.e., Abū ʿAlī al’Ḥusayn ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn al’Hassan ibn Ali ibn Sīnā) to rewrite history of past 2000 years in our time.

    As for the very serious internal inherent problems of “Hinduism”, as ANY external observer may cite, it is ULTIMATELY the “Hindus” who have reformed themselves time after time.

    Due to my sheer lack of time, I am not typing a list of “Hindu” reformers to support my above written sentence.

    “Hinduism” does NOT have fundamentals like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam do (i.e., one jealous God and one blood-thirsty prophet or one suicidal son or one psychopath messenger).

    “Hinduism” is an open system of religious practices from its inception to this day!

    “Hindus” have changed their behaviors — religious or not — time after time and, that’s why, the actual name of “Hinduism” is Sanãtana Dharma, which covered Brahmanism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, and also what is now known as Animism or tribal religion.

    As for the Christian British imperialists’ true “accomplishments” in Indian sub-continent, here let me quote Madan Lal Dhingra’s final words to the English court in the Old Bailey of London, England.

    “I do NOT want to say anything in defense of myself, but simply to prove the justice of my deed.

    As for myself, NO English law court has got any authority to arrest and detain me in prison, or pass sentence of death on me.

    That is the reason I did NOT have any counsel to defend me.

    And I maintain that if it is PATRIOTIC in an Englishman to fight against the Germans if they were to occupy this country, it is much more justifiable and patriotic in my case to fight against the English.

    I hold the English [Christian] people RESPONSIBLE for the murder of eighty millions of Indian people in the last fifty years, and they are also responsible for taking away ₤100,000,000 every year from India to this country.

    I also hold them RESPONSIBLE for the hanging and deportation of my patriotic countrymen, who did just the same as the English people here are advising their countrymen to do.

    And the Englishman who goes out to India and gets, say, ₤100 a month, that simply means that he passes A SENTENCE OF DEATH on a thousand of my poor countrymen, because these thousand people could easily live on this ₤100, which the Englishman spends mostly on his frivolities and PLEASURES.

    Just as the Germans have NO right to occupy this country, so the English people have NO right to occupy India, and it is perfectly justifiable on our part to kill the Englishman who is polluting OUR SACRED LAND.

    I am surprised at the terrible HYPOCRISY, the FARCE, and the MOCKERY of the English [Christian] people!

    They POSE as the champions of oppressed humanity — the peoples of the Congo and the people of Russia — when there is terrible oppression and horrible ATROCITIES committed in India; for example, the killing of two millions of people every year and the OUTRAGING of our women.

    In case this country is occupied by Germans, and the Englishman — NOT bearing to see the Germans walking with the insolence of conquerors in the streets of London — goes and kills one or two Germans, and that Englishman is held AS A PATRIOT by the people of this country, then certainly I am prepared to work for the EMANCIPATION of my Motherland.”

    LINK

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madan_Lal_Dhingra

  160. stanley says:

    To passive observer- thank you brother…still we must be patient with the swine, even some swine had more sense than humans as they could not tolerate being demon possessed but rushed into the water to commit suicide….unlike dear brother WHY?…. who is so consumed in referring to Jesus as jeebus that he himself is unaware of his demonic possession, nevertheless we must still reach out to the lost and fallen, at the expenses of being rejected and ridiculed…HELL is eternal damnation and no matter how WHY behaves towards our Saviour we must still pray for him.
    He has rejected common sense, historical records of Jesus as well as the gospel accounts and the words of Jesus himself…yet he chooses to believe Satan’s diatribe against Christianity…..yet he will lose in the end.
    .

  161. @Ron, @ Stanley, If you think you are following Jesus, then you need to adhere to Mt. 7:6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs, neither throw your pearls before the pigs, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you into pieces.” Ali Sinna has stopped throwing the pearls to the pigs. I too.
    For me I am glad that millions of NGOs, mostly Christin oriented, and 700,000 nuns are running millions of schools, colleges, universities, hospitals, clinics, home for the orphans, home for the age etc. in 190 countries.
    I am glad that British and missionaries have changed the life pattern of whole Indians for better as per literary critic, Novelist and Brahmin intellectual K.N Subramanian (or Ka. Na. Subramanina) They have improved and written dictionaries for 73 North Indian languages. British were the root cause of abolishing Sati (wife’s jumping on the flames of husband’s funeral pyre), child marriages, shaving the heads of widows and sending them to kitchen to live and die there, Unlike the Muslims who ruled 800 years in India, British built great universities in Calcutta, Bombay, and Madras etc.
    I am glad that Christians in India with 80% low cast, are richer (income per capita) than any other religionists.
    I am glad that 800 out of 830 Nobel Prize winners, are Jews and Christians, implying the influence of the Bible.
    I am glad that 130 Christian majority countries are living comparatively, in peace.

    This is enough, to convince me that Jesus is alive and guiding all those who follow him as He said “.Obey everything I have commanded you. Surely I am with you always to the very end of the age. (Mt 28:20)

  162. Akua Hinds says:

    This is such a great post! Thanks so much for sharing these views.

  163. Ron says:

    This is Hindu Brahmin Neurosurgeon who became Christian

  164. robyt says:

    “You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me”, Exodus 20, 5. God is jelous only with its followers. The Decalogue does not apply to any other people except than the Judeans. Because God made a pact of Alliance to them, when he freed from the egiptian slavery; they had to respect the pact and not betray him. God is jelous with this meaning. God is not asking to the gentiles, the pagans or the idols whorshippers to observe his rule not to have any other god. For the christian this applies. But is not enough. Because God sent his Son to save all from the First Sin (Adam and Eva) which was upon every being. But only those who recognize Christ as the Son will be saved. Again this isnt enough except from the protestatnts. For all the over Christians the Salvation is not guaranteed even if you are Christian, because the most important thing is to apply the Rule of God which is Love each other snd Charity. afor the protestants instead if you believe in Christ you will be saved, that is enough. For others you have to apply the concepts of Christ in your life.

  165. why? says:

    Ron,

    There are christians who became muslims and terrorists, just like there are terrorists who became christians. None of these change the truth.

    No matter how many “witnesses” you post here, it is ridiculously illogical to believe in a so called god who is a suicidal narcissistic delusional maniacal retard who is born through adultery. It is even more delusional to believe that suicidal death of the mamzer jeebus will result in payment for sins…

  166. Ron says:

    watch this jihadist become change when he encounters Christ

  167. Face_The_Truth says:

    The “UNKNOWN SCHOLAR” did not clarify one very important aspect of Islamic punishment(s) when s/he wrote “Who will go to Hell?”; so, here I write it for all readers at the FaithFreedom.Org website.

    In Islamic countries, Allah’s punishments are meted out on earth to anyone — both Muslims and non-Muslims — who violates Allah’s commands according to Islamic Shariat (i.e., Islamic Jurisprudence).

    For example, in Saudi Arabia al’Quran is the State Constitution, which allows BEHEADING as Allah’s punishment for crimes involving BANDITRY, MURDER, DRUGS, PEDOPHILIA, SORCERY, and, the most importantly, POLITICAL DISSENT.

    LINK

    http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/when-it-comes-beheadings-isis-has-nothing-over-saudi-arabia-277385.html

    ‘In 2013, there was a surge in beheadings, from the beginning of the year until June/July.

    Then almost none.

    This seems to indicate that someone in the Saudi administration is obliged to maintain a certain level of deaths by beheading.

    They stopped at 79 beheadings in 2013, the same number from the previous year!

    The executioner — always a man — is not allowed to talk to his victim.

    The executioner reads your charge and some verses from al’Quran.

    You are blindfolded, which is extremely important, and NOT for humanitarian reasons.

    If, when the sword is coming down, you turn in fearful anticipation, things could get messy.

    The blade might not sever with a single chop, or the executioner could miss his mark.

    The blood won’t be neatly caught by the plastic bags, and the head might NOT be so easy to scoop up.

    You will be dressed in something that leaves the soft skin of your neck exposed.

    Your hands are bound together behind your back.

    It’s better for all concerned to stay still, as is clear from a video of the execution of Rizana Nafeek, a 24-year-old Sri Lankan maid who was accused of murdering her employee’s 4-month-old son.

    She swayed from side to side, making her execution sloppier than most.

    Nafeek pleaded not guilty, saying the baby choked on his milk bottle.

    She was beheaded anyway, in January 2013.

    Some excited noises might come from the Muslim crowd.

    Muslim people will gather to watch you die.

    If you are a prisoner in Riyadh, the capital, you might be taken to the ocher-colored Deera Square, which has acquired a macabre sobriquet: Chop Chop Square.

    Before you arrive, police and security forces will have prepared the area.

    It may have been cordoned off to keep curious spectators at a distance, but Muslim people will congregate nonetheless.

    According to British author John R. Bradley, public beheadings are the “only form of public entertainment” in Saudi Arabia, aside from football matches.’

    So, as all readers at the FaithFreedom.Org website can realize, Islamic Allah punishes both Muslim and non-Muslim on earth.

    But, on the Judgment Day, Islamic Allah will punish ONLY non-Muslims — long after their deaths — for non-Muslims’ dis-belief in Allah and Allah’s last messenger Muhammad.

    The “UNKNOWN SCHOLAR” did not clarify the difference clearly enough in his/her above writing.

    One extra information from my medical knowledge:

    A decapitated head retains consciousness of up to 20 seconds as there’s sufficient blood in the brain-cells.

  168. Face_The_Truth says:

    [Stanley:
    The record of the life of Christ is for all to see- from the gospels and also from Josephus as well as Pliny, Cicero- from both his followers and enemies…..yet you choose to ignore those early writings but quick to quote any modern critic that conforms to your anti- christian belief.
    Jesus Christ is alive- that makes him more than 2000 years old- so what manner of being is this?]

    This is a curious way of arguing!

    You assume what you have to prove, put it in your own “Holy” book and then cite it as your authority.

    ‘Christian tradition tells us that Jesus was a Jew who lived in Roman “Palestine” during the first 30 or 33 years of the era which is supposed to have commenced from the date of his birth.

    It is, however, strange that Jewish historians who lived and wrote during the same period or a little later, fail to notice him as well as the religion supposed to have been
    founded by him.

    Philo (20 BC-54 AD), who wrote a history of the Jews, knows no “Jesus Christ” and no Christians.

    So also another historian of the same period, Justus of Tiberius.

    The most remarkable case is that of Flavius Josephus who lived from AD 36 or 37 to 99 or 100.

    Flavius Josephus completed two monumental works — The Jewish War in 77 AD and the Antiquities of the Jews fifteen years later.

    The histories mention NO “Jesus Christ”.

    Flavius Josephus’ first work relates to AD 66-74 when the Romans put down a widespread Jewish rebellion in “Palestine”, and by which time the Christian church at Jerusalem is supposed to have functioned for 35 years.

    The work has NOT a word about “Jesus” or his followers.

    The Greeks and Romans have left to posterity a vast historical and philosophical literature written in or referring to the time-bracket when “Jesus” is supposed to have lived.

    But …unaware of him.

    Seneca (2 BC-66 AD), Pliny the Elder (23-79 AD), Martial (40-102 AD), Plutarch
    (45-125 AD), Juvenal (55-140 AD), Apuleius (d. 170 AD), Pausanius (d. 185 AD), and Dio Casius (155-240 AD) do NOT mention any “Jesus” or “Christ”.

    Epictetus (50-100 AD) refers to Galileans starting with Judas the Galilean who led the Jewish revolt against Rome in the first decade of the first century, but not to “Jesus of Nazareth” who is supposed to have come from Galilee shortly afterwards.

    The Roman philosopher Celsus is quoted by Origen (185-254 AD), the great Christian theologian from Alexandria, as saying in 178 AD that “you [Christians] relate fables and do not even give them verisimilitude”.

    Typho, another Roman polemist, wrote to Justin Martyr, the Church Father from Palestine (100-160 AD), that “you follow a vain rumour and are yourselves the makers of your Christ”,…’

    So, history does NOT support age-old falsehood of “Son of God” spread by Christian churches.

    In this world only TWO things do not go together and they are: Christianity and Truthfulness.

    [Stanley:
    Face the Truth …is missing the point…. the early history of christian evangelism displays the greatest acts of sacrifice – where can you find hundreds of believers in Jesus facing persecution and death to preach a simple message of God’s love to humanity? No religious group in the history of humanity has ever been persecuted like Christians both in ancient times as well as in modern times…]

    What you wrote is NOT history.

    What you wrote is called Christian HOGWASH deliberately put forth by Christian churches to convert gullible non-Christians into Christian fold.

    Christians mercilessly dragged Lady Hypatia of Alexandria on the streets in 415 A.D. until her flesh came out lose from her bones!

    A Jewish persecutor named Saul became “Saint Paul” (where “S” turned “P”) who was a zealous and bloodthirsty persecutor of non-Christians.

    European Christians gave plague, syphilis, and small-pox to Native American Indians to die wretched deaths!

    In mid-15th century A.D. Christian Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama came to Indian sub-continent with the Holy Cross and the Holy Cannons to intimidate Indian “Hindus” into submission to Christianity.

    European Christians burned alive anyone who opposed the “Holiness” of the DEAD JEW ON THE CROSS during medieval time.

    European Christians tortured to death any scientist who claimed that the sun does NOT move around the earth!!!

    Christian history is a history of blood, gore, greed, perversion, child-molestation, and “Drinking-Drinking-F**king-Women”.

    Christians like yourself try to promote a “Peaceful” and “Loving” version of Christianity when, in fact, Joshua Ben-Joseph was a bloody Jewish rebel against the mighty Roman empire and the mighty Romans hanged Joshua Ben-Joseph on the Cross by writing INRI (“Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews!”) on the Cross.

    That’s your actual Christian history.

    So, be proud of who you actually are!

    LINK

    https://orphicplatonism.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/jesus-christ-an-artifice-for-aggression-by-sita-ram-goel.pdf

    ‘Mary, the mother of Jesus, was betrothed to Joseph but they had not lived together when Joseph discovered that she was pregnant.

    Joseph was a kind man, and did not want to expose Mary to death by stoning, the standard punishment for adultery under the Jewish law at that time.

    It is also significant that all the four female ancestors of Mary mentioned by Matthew in his genealogy of Jesus happen to be fallen women.

    Tamar was a temple prostitute; Rahab was the madam of a brothel; Ruth, the most moral, indulged in some pretty shameless sexual exploitation; and Bathsheba committed adultery with King David.

    The real reason for floating the myth of virgin birth seems to be that “there had always been a question mark hanging over Mary’s sexual morality” and that “it was clearly a subject which caused the early Christians acute embarrassment”.

    In fact, there has been a long-standing tradition among the Jews that Jesus was the fruit of an adulterous union between Mary and a Roman soldier named Panthera.’

  169. Face_The_Truth says:

    [Stanley:
    Face the Truth …is missing the point…. the early history of christian evangelism displays the greatest acts of sacrifice – where can you find hundreds of believers in Jesus facing persecution and death to preach a simple message of God’s love to humanity? No religious group in the history of humanity has ever been persecuted like Christians both in ancient times as well as in modern times…]

    What you wrote is NOT history.

    What you wrote is called Christian HOGWASH deliberately put forth by Christian churches to convert gullible non-Christians into Christian fold.

    Christians mercilessly dragged Lady Hypatia of Alexandria in 415 A.D. until her flesh came out lose from her bones!

    A Jewish persecutor named Saul became Saint Paul (where “S” turned “P”) who was a zealous and bloodthirsty persecutor of non-Christians.

    European Christians gave plague, syphilis, and small-pox to Native American Indians to die wretched deaths!

    In mid-15th century A.D. Christian Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama came to Indian sub-continent with the Holy Cross and the Holy Canons to intimidate Indian “Hindus” into submission to Christianity.

    European Christians burned alive anyone who opposed the “Holiness” of the DEAD JEW ON THE CROSS during medieval time.

    European Christians tortured to death any scientist who claimed the sun does NOT move around the earth!!!

    Christian history is a history of blood, gore, greed, perversion, child-molestation, and “Drinking-Drinking F**king Women”.

    Christians like yourself try to promote a “Peaceful” and “Loving” version of Christianity when, in fact, Joshua Ben-Joseph was a bloody Jewish rebel against the mighty Roman empire and the mighty Romans hanged Joshua Ben-Joseph on the Cross by writing INRI (“Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews!”) on the Cross.

    That’s your actual Christian history.

    So, be proud of who you actually are.

    LINK

    https://orphicplatonism.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/jesus-christ-an-artifice-for-aggression-by-sita-ram-goel.pdf

    ‘Mary, the mother of Jesus, was betrothed to Joseph but they had not lived together when Joseph discovered that she was pregnant.

    Joseph was a kind man, and did not want to expose Mary to death by stoning, the standard punishment for adultery under the Jewish law at that time.

    It is also significant that all the four female ancestors of Mary mentioned by Matthew in his genealogy of Jesus happen to be fallen women.

    Tamar was a temple prostitute; Rahab was the madam of a brothel; Ruth, the most moral, indulged in some pretty shameless sexual exploitation; and Bathsheba committed adultery with King David.

    The real reason for floating the myth of virgin birth seems to be that “there had always been a question mark hanging over Mary’s sexual morality” and that “it was clearly a subject which caused the early Christians acute embarrassment”.

    In fact, there has been a long-standing tradition among the Jews that Jesus was the fruit of an adulterous union between Mary and a Roman soldier named Panthera.’

  170. why? says:

    Ron,

    No matter how many “witnesses” you post here, it is ridiculously illogical to believe in a so called god who is a suicidal narcissistic delusional maniacal retard who is born through adultery. It is even more delusional to believe that suicidal death of the mamzer jeebus will result in payment for sins…

  171. Ron says:

    This guy was an active Hindu who debated Christians and then became Christian himself….Want to know why… Please watch

  172. why? says:

    No Pointing Says:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Jesus is the morning star and satan isn’t.

    Isaiah 14:12 , How art thou fallen from heaven,
    O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations. ( KGV )
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2014:12-15

    saiah 14:12-15New International Version (NIV)

    12 How you have fallen from heaven, **morning star, son of the dawn!**

    Isaiah 14:12-15Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

    12 “How did you come to fall from the heavens, **morning star, son of the dawn?**

    http://biblehub.com/isaiah/14-12.htm

    New American Standard Bible
    “How you have fallen from heaven, **O star of the morning**, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    Shining **morning star**, how you have fallen from the heavens! You destroyer of nations, you have been cut down to the ground.

    New Heart English Bible
    How you have fallen from heaven, **morning star**, son of the dawn. How you are cut down to the ground, who laid the nations low.

    GOD’S WORD® Translation
    How you have fallen from heaven, you **morning star**, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the ground, you conqueror of nations!

    New American Standard 1977
    “How you have fallen from heaven,
    **O star of the morning**, son of the dawn!
    You have been cut down to the earth,
    You who have weakened the nations!

    World English Bible
    How you have fallen from heaven, **morning star**, son of the dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, who laid the nations low!

    JEWISH TRANSLATION:

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15945/jewish/Chapter-14.htm#

    12 How have you fallen from heaven, **the morning star?** You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.

    CLEARLY SO MANY OF YOUR OWN CHRISTIAN TRANSLATIONS OF BIBLE CONFIRM THAT SATAN IS **THE MORNING STAR**, AS DO JEWISH TRANSLATIONS. JEEBUS IS ALSO **THE MORNING STAR** AS PER YOU. SO JEEBUS AND SATAN ARE SIMILAR IN THE LEAST AND ARE IDENTICAL IN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. JEEBUS LIKE SATAN CLAIMED IN ISAIAH 14:12-15 ALSO CLAIMED TO BE EQUAL TO GOD. HENCE JEEBUS IS SATAN.

  173. stanley says:

    Face the Truth …is missing the point…. the early history of christian evangelism displays the greatest acts of sacrifice – where can you find hundreds of believers in Jesus facing persecution and death to preach a simple message of God’s love to humanity? No religious group in the history of humanity has ever been persecuted like Christians both in ancient times as well as in modern times….And what reward were they seeking….that everyone come to the knowledge of the true God who loves us….that you should state that those in heaven will watch in glee at those burning in hell displays your willful ignorance of the subject….it is because of love that we go out to save others, no true Christian can ever rejoice in the damnation of even his worst enemy, because we would never wish the horrors of hell on anyone.
    Maybe you have a skewed view of Christianity- or bad experiences with some Christians- that does not change the words of Scripture nor how Jesus Christ sees you- with love.
    I wish to prove nothing to you or anyone else- you cannot refute history.
    Go first and disprove the prophecies concerning Jesus that were written centuries before and fulfilled only in Him, and then you will at least have half a leg to stand on.
    The Jewish writings are staring you in the face.
    The record of the life of Christ is for all to see- from the gospels and also from Josephus as well as Pliny, Cicero- from both his followers and enemies…..yet you choose to ignore those early writings but quick to quote any modern critic that conforms to your anti- christian belief.
    Jesus Christ is alive- that makes him more than 2000 years old- so what manner of being is this?

  174. No Pointing says:

    Jesus is the morning star and satan isn’t.

    Isaiah 14:12 , How art thou fallen from heaven,
    O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations. ( KGV )

  175. why? says:

    Stanley,

    Apparently like every other christian you do not care about or even understand simple logic. We have seen logically that there ain’t no free-will. But let us just assume, there is free-will, even then your entire religion does not make any sense whatsoever. Simple reason, God committing suicide in order to convince Himself to forgive His own creation is illogical bull shit.

    “Even if you do not accept Jesus as divine, I have used common sense that Jesus as a mere man, did something that all so called gods and deities NEVER did nor can do…he laid down his life for sinners…”

    If jeebus is a mere man (sinful in nature) and committed suicide by Roman Soldiers thinking his assisted suicidal death through Roman soldiers will pay for the sins of man, then he is definitely a narcissistic, delusional, maniacal, suicidal retard who needed to be treated in a mental institute and his death cannot pay for any sins.

    If jeebus is god (almighty), then jeebus had infinite solutions for the problem of sin and nobody can force jeebus to commit martyrdom. Hence jeebus as an almighty god committed suicide only, when he h ad infinite other solution at his disposal and yet jeebus committed suicide. This is inconsistent with the character of an almighty God. Hence the only conclusion that one can come to is jeebus is a narcissistic, delusional, maniacal, suicidal retard who needed to be treated in a mental institute and his death cannot pay for any sins.

    There is another issue of jeebus as well. Jeebus was born through adultery ONLY. Mary had 9 months pregnancy like any other human child. Joseph wanted to divorce her as he is not the father of the child. Hence, if God really made Mary pregnant in order to show a miracle, why was Mary 9 months pregnant like any other human child? A real miracle must have unmistakable evidence which is humanly impossible event. Making a woman pregnant for 9 months is not humanly impossible. This is what humans do to their wives and lovers all the time. So if Mary was pregnant for 9 months what is the greatness in the act of God here? Besides only 2 of 4 gospels even mention virgin birth. All of these points confirm that virgin birth is a made up story to hide adulterous birth of jeebus. Only third class sinful souls are born through adultery. The very fact that jeebus was born through adultery proves that jeebus is a sinful soul. This is even confirmed by your own old testament and new testament.

    Jeebus is satan as per OT:

    Revelation 22:16

    `I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the **bright and morning star! **

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15945#showrashi=true

    Isaiah 14:12-15

    12. How have you fallen from heaven, **the morning star?** You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.

    13 And you said to yourself, ‘To the heavens will I ascend, above God’s stars will I raise my throne, and I will sit on the mount of the assembly, in the farthest end of the north.

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will liken myself to the Most High.’

    15 But into the nether world shall you be brought down, to the bottom of the pit.

    Clearly, jeebus the satan claimed to sit equal with God exactly like Isaiah 14:12-15 claims and both jeebus and satan are called as **the morning star?**.

  176. Ron says:

    January 2, 1956, was the day that 29-year-old Jim Elliot had waited for most of his life. He jumped out of bed, dressed as quickly as he could, and got ready for the short flight over the thick Ecuador (Eck-wah-door) jungle. Almost three years of jungle ministry and many hours of planning and praying had led Jim to this day. Within hours, he and four other missionaries would be setting up camp in the territory of a dangerous and uncivilized Indian tribe known then as the Aucas (Ow-cuz), known now as the Waodani (Wah-o-dah-nee). The Aucas had killed all outsiders ever caught in their area. Even though it was dangerous, Jim Elliot had no doubt God wanted him to tell the Aucas about Jesus.

    Growing Up
    As a little boy growing up in Portland, Oregon, Jim Elliot listened carefully as visiting missionaries told about life on faraway missions fields. He asked them questions and dreamed about being a missionary himself some day. It made him sad that so many people in other countries died without knowing about God.

    The Long Boat Trip
    On February 2, 1952, Jim Elliot waved goodbye to his parents and boarded a ship for the 18-day trip from San Pedro, California to Quito (Kee-toe), Ecuador, South America.

    He and his missionary partner, Pete Fleming, first spent a year in Quito learning to speak Spanish. Then they moved to Shandia (Shan-dee-ah), a small Quichua (Kee-chew-wah) Indian village to take the place of the retiring missionary. Jim and Pete studied hard to learn the language and fit in. Their hard work paid off; in six months, both were speaking Spanish well enough to move to Shandia. When they arrived in Shandia, they also had to learn the speech of the Quichuas.

    Planning to reach the Aucas
    Three years later many Quichuas had become faithful Christians. Jim now began to feel it was time to tell the Aucas about Jesus.

    The Aucas had killed many Quichuas. They had also killed several workers at an oil company-drilling site near their territory. The oil company closed the site because everyone was afraid to work there. Jim knew the only way to stop the Aucas from killing was to tell them about Jesus. Jim and the four other Ecuador missionaries began to plan a way to show the Aucas they were friendly.

    Nate Saint, a missionary supply pilot, came up with a way to lower a bucket filled with supplies to people on the ground while flying above them. He thought this would be a perfect way to win the trust of the Aucas without putting anyone in danger. They began dropping gifts to the Aucas. They also used an amplifier to speak out friendly Auca phrases. After many months, the Aucas even sent a gift back up in the bucket to the plane. Jim and the other missionaries felt the time had come to meet the Aucas face-to-face.
    One day while flying over Auca territory, Nate Saint spotted a beach that looked long enough to land the plane on. He planned to land there and the men would build a tree house to stay safe in until friendly contact could be made.

    The missionaries were flown in one-by-one and dropped off on the Auca beach. Nate Saint then flew over the Auca village and called for the Aucas to come to the beach. After four days, an Auca man and two women appeared. It was not easy for them to understand each other since the missionaries only knew a few Auca phrases. They shared a meal with them, and Nate took the man up for a flight in the plane. The missionaries tried to show sincere friendship and asked them to bring others next time.

    For the next two days, the missionaries waited for other Aucas to return. Finally, on day six, two Auca women walked out of the jungle. Jim and Pete excitedly jumped in the river and waded over to them. As they got closer, these women did not appear friendly. Jim and Pete almost immediately heard a terrifying cry behind them. As they turned they saw a group of Auca warriors with their spears raised, ready to throw. Jim Elliot reached for the gun in his pocket. He had to decide instantly if he should use it. But he knew he couldn’t. Each of the missionaries had promised they would not kill an Auca who did not know Jesus to save himself from being killed. Within seconds, the Auca warriors threw their spears, killing all the missionaries: Ed McCully, Roger Youderian, Nate Saint, Pete Fleming and Jim Elliot.

    Waiting to Hear
    Late in the afternoon of Sunday, January 8, Elisabeth Elliot, Jim’s wife, waited by the two-way radio to hear Nate Saint and his wife discuss how things had gone that day. But there was no call. As evening turned to night, the wives grew worried. They knew the news was not good.

    The next morning another missionary pilot flew over the beach to look for the men. He saw only the badly damaged plane on the beach.

    News quickly spread around the world about the five missing missionaries. A United States search team went to the beach, found the missionaries’ bodies, and buried them.

    But don’t think Operation Auca ended there, because it didn’t. In less than two years Elisabeth Elliot, her daughter Valerie, and Rachel Saint (Nate’s sister) were able to move to the Auca village. Many Aucas became Christians. They are now a friendly tribe. Missionaries, including Nate Saint’s son and his family, still live among the Aucas today.

    Elisabeth Elliot even helped make a movie about Operation Auca called Through Gates of Splendor. It showed real life scenes of the five missionaries on the beach with the friendly Aucas. It also included footage of the two years she and her daughter spent living in an Auca village.

    Jim’s Mission
    During his life, Jim Elliot longed for more people to become missionaries. In his death, however, he probably inspired more people to go to other countries to share the love of Jesus than he ever could have in life.

  177. Face_The_Truth says:

    [“Anyway what you fail to realize is this:
    Jesus came to the earth ACCORDING to the Scriptures
    He lived and Died ACCORDING to the Scriptures
    He arose from the dead ACCORDING to the Scriptures….
    The life, ministry, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus can be gleaned before he even appeared on earth — just from the prophetic verses, which you deliberately ignore.”]

    Anyone who writes the above to convert non-Christians into Christian fold needs to read the book “JESUS CHRIST: AN ARTIFICE FOR AGGRESSION” for FREE of cost at the following LINK provided below.

    ‘…repeating the old Christian doctrine of “No salvation outside the Church”, now modified in this ecumenical age to “No salvation without Jesus Christ.”

    In his support, anyone quotes the Bible as his authority.

    This is a curious way of arguing.

    You assume what you have to prove, put it in your own book and then cite it as your authority.

    It would be considered dull-witted in a sophomore, but in a Christian preacher it makes a “bright and clinching argument”.

    We are told that there is Resurrection and Judgement – and these are interpreted not as parables and morals but literally as events in the most physical plane.

    The man rises with his body and nothing is said about the regeneration of the soul.

    He rises with his old body with the same old desires and hankerings and infatuations.

    If he is an unbeliever, he is condemned and goes straight to hell or Fire, to a life of eternal punishment.

    But if he is a believer, he is ‘saved’ and sent to heaven.

    Muslim theologians have spoken of the joys of the ‘saved’ at length – untiring copulation and gourmandizing.

    Christian theologians have added some more.

    One of the greatest joys of the ‘saved’ according to them is that they would watch, from their balcony in heaven, unbelievers and heretics roasting in hell.”’

    LINK

    https://orphicplatonism.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/jesus-christ-an-artifice-for-aggression-by-sita-ram-goel.pdf

  178. stanley says:

    Why?
    You want god to force you to live right, do right, be right…..therein lies your problem, He did not make us robots, but gave us free will to choose life or death- holiness or sinfulness,
    If you want to live holy He will empower you to do so – that is why He sent His Holy Spirit.

    By calling Jesus Satan you are close to blasphemy my friend….be careful for the sake of your soul.
    The God who created you, loves you and desires you to follow Him, but you choose to insult the only Savior this worlds has ever known….how very sad…
    Even if you do not accept Jesus as divine, I have used common sense that Jesus as a mere man, did something that all so called gods and deities NEVER did nor can do…he laid down his life for sinners…
    That is an historical record of his life….which neither you nor or master satan can ever deny…even if you choose not to believe.
    1John 3:8….”for this purpose was the Son of God manifested, to destroy the works of the devil”….and yet you deduce that Jesus is satan.
    REPENT and be saved friend

  179. stanley says:

    why?.
    if your argument is so logical who is jeebus?
    If you are referring to Jesus I am amazed that you do not use that name or is the reason a simple one which I found to be so common amongst demon possessed people: that they cannot mention that name of Jesus due to that demon residing in them which they believe to be a god!!
    Anyway what you fail to realize is this:
    Jesus came to the earth ACCORDING to the Scriptures
    He lived and Died ACCORDING to the Scriptures
    He arose from the dead ACCORDING to the Scriptures….
    The life, ministry, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus can be gleaned before he even appeared on earth- just from the prophetic verses, which you deliberately ignore.

    Greater love has no man than this that he lays down his life for a friend…Jesus said, …and in reality he went further- he laid down his life for his enemies….Thank you Jesus for dying for a sinner as I!!!

    If you cannot see the miraculous truth of fulfilled prophecy written centuries before the event, I rest my case…YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT- I ACCEPT DEFEAT…congratulations!!!

  180. why? says:

    Stanley,

    You have failed utterly to answer the logical argument against your belief, that suicide committed by jeebus cannot save anybody.

    I have given clear logical argument that suicide of jeebus cannot b equated with martyrdom, as a martyr does not have a choice to save others without sacrificing his life, while jeebus who is allegedly almighty god has infinite other choices at his hands. Nobody can force almighty god to do anything, much less force almighty god to die. Therefore, if jeebus is almighty god he willingly committed suicide as no force on earth can force him to do so. Here comes the logical contradiction. Why would any almighty god commit suicide and achieve any goal when he has infinite other solutions at his disposal? Hence the ONLY logical conclusion is that Jeebus is NOT god at all, but a suicidal delusional maniacal narcissistic retard who thought he is god and that his suicidal act would save others.

    A real almighty God can achieve this same goal of destroying sins through changing each and every soul and making them repent for the sins, while jeebus is a suicidal delusional maniacal narcissistic retard.

  181. stanley says:

    A Savior comes to save…. we are all sinners and Jesus came to save us. That plan of salvation required a sacrifice. This is where you need to understand the Jewish old Testament prophecies and sacrificial system – that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

    That is why Jesus had to die….

    Now i understand why you will reject Jesus and His sacrificial death, because you do not believe that you are a sinner in the first place, however a quick questionnaire can reveal what each one is by God’s standards:
    1) Have you ever thought evil?
    2) Have you ever lied, stolen, committed adultery in your heart?
    3) Have you murdered…according to the Bible hating your brother equals murder
    So according to this if you have lied you are a liar, if you have stolen you are a thief, if you have hated you are a murderer…. this is according to God’s standards:
    Now where do you think if you in judgement before God Almighty that you are going to go?
    If you think you are perfect according to God’s standards then ignore what I write- after all it’s your soul.

    Whether you like it or not, believe or or not….. there is a God and you owe it to yourself to find out who He is and worship Him as He desires- not according to your whims. fancies and traditions.
    Remember the heart of the Bible is seen in this verse…John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life….

    30 years ago the Lord Jesus delivered me from the falsehood of Hinduism and brought me into His wonderful light of truth and freedom.
    Every true Christian knows that when he dies/she dies the soul will go to heaven….on what basis can they know this?
    On the words of Jesus, who rose from the dead, conquered the power of death and is alive forever more….
    His tomb is empty, He is Lord of all and one day every knee will bow and every tongue confess that He is Lord…either in this world or the next.
    Have a nice day

  182. Face_The_Truth says:

    Jews believe that Jewish God (i.e., Jehovah) lives inside Jerusalem.

    Similarly, Muslims believe that Islamic Allah lives inside Saudi Arabia.

    Jewish God (i.e., Jehovah) is very egoistic and self-regarding.

    Jewish God (i.e., Jehovah) can brook no other god or gods!

    Jewish God (i.e., Jehovah) insists that all gods other than himself are false and should not be worshiped.

    Jewish God (i.e., Jehovah) is a ‘jealous God’, as he describes himself in the Holy Bible.

    Jewish God (i.e., Jehovah) commands his chosen people that when he has brought them to the promised land and delivered its people into their hands, ‘thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves. For thou art a holy people unto the Lord.’” (Deut. 7. I-6).

    Looks like Muslims and Christians exactly copied the Old Testament and follow Jewish God (i.e., Jehovah) in different names only!!!

    Jewish God (i.e., Jehovah) promised his chosen people that he would give them “great and goodly cities they builded NOT, and wells which they digged NOT, vineyards and olive trees they planted NOT”. (Deut. 6.10-11).

    As Islam can be summed up with beheading, stoning, and looting non-Muslims’ lands and properties, Christianity can be summed up with GREED, PERVERSION, and MOLESTATION OF UNDERAGE KIDS.

    So, it is no wonder that the Holy Roman Catholic Church is united with the ideology of Islam from the very dark ages of known human history!

    His Holiness Pope Francis washes and kisses the feet of Muslims in Europe regularly.

    Christianity is indeed a very clever ideology as it invented “Virgin-Birth” –to defy the laws of nature — at the very beginning, new Christian theologies of “Fulfilment”, “Indigenisation”, “Liberation”, and “Dialogue” have been circulating in different parts of world at different times in order to subjugate non-believers of “Christ the Savior”.

    We are so told, if one doesn’t believe in Muhammad ibn Abd’Allah as the last messenger, s/he goes to hell while if one doesn’t believe in “Christ the Savior”, s/he doesn’t have much better luck either!!!

  183. why? says:

    Stanley,

    A government does NOT send people to prison for not believing in government, but for not following laws against harming others bodies, properties etc. However, christianity like islam believes that souls are sent to hell for not merely believing in their respective “gods”.

    Like Islam, in christianity there is no grey area where souls go….they either go to heaven or to hell…black or white….eternal happiness or eternal hell…..either you believe and go to heaven or disbelieve and go to hell…This is NOT what the government does. Justice system evaluates each accused individual as per their actions and whether there is evidence that some real harm has been done to others. Ones belief is irrelevant here. A citizen can voice his opinion against a government in a fair just system. It does not lead to punishment by justice system here. So your comparison is flawed.

    “Jesus was the only one who died for sinners…..the greatest love is seen in the greatest sacrifice and no god, goddess, swami, guru, teacher, prophet of any religion ever has an example of a Savior laying down his life for sinners”

    The above belief is entirely made up nonsense and a big baloney crap.

    Why would any real god (essentially a one man army, one who rules everything, one who decides solely as to who goes to heaven/hell?) need any kind of sacrifice, much less a human sacrifice, in the first place in order to forgive sins?

    Why would a god who is the sole judge, jury and executor pf punishments or rewards, need a human sacrifice in order to convince himself to forgive sins of his own creation?

    Does it make sense for you that god kills himself in a bloody torturous way to convince himself to forgive his own creation? Does it make sense to you that god commits suicide in order to convince himself to save others from hell?

    NOTE:

    A martyr dies for others in order to save others by sacrificing himself as the martyr cannot save others without this suicidal act. He has seen all other options do not yield the result he wants. This is excusable and even praise worthy for he considered others happiness better than his own life.

    However, the act of jeebus is purely suicidal, if we assume jeebus is almighty god, ie sole judge, jury and executioner, as jeebus as allegedly an almighty god had infinite solutions at his disposal for solving this problem of forgiving sinners. Yet despite this, jeebus choses to be a suicidal maniacal man-god. The only logical solution to this problem is that jeebus is NO god at all, but a delusional narcissistic maniac who considered himself as an almighty god who could forgive sins of others through suicide by roman soldiers (like suicide by cop). Since jeebus is merely a delusional narcissistic suicidal maniac, his death serves no purpose in solving the problem of sins or sinners at all. All christians are following a delusional suicidal retard as a god and raising above real God and thus blaspheming real God. Jeebus is no martyr as well, as a martyr needs to be of sound mind and not have delusions of grandeur about himself. A father dying to save children from wild animals is a martyr. It is an act of love. However, the act of jeebus, is born through the delusion of ultimate self-grandeur that he is God almighty Himself and his self-assumed grandeur is inconsistent with ability of an almighty God who can forgive sins in infinite just ways. Hence jeebus a merely a narcissistic suicidal maniacal retard.

    Jeebus is satan as per OT:

    Revelation 22:16

    `I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the **bright and morning star! **

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15945#showrashi=true

    Isaiah 14:12-15

    12. How have you fallen from heaven, **the morning star?** You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.

    13 And you said to yourself, ‘To the heavens will I ascend, above God’s stars will I raise my throne, and I will sit on the mount of the assembly, in the farthest end of the north.

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will liken myself to the Most High.’

    15 But into the nether world shall you be brought down, to the bottom of the pit.

  184. why? says:

    Stanley,

    A government does NOT send people to prison for not believing in government, but for not following laws against harming others bodies, properties etc. However, christianity like islam believes that souls are sent to hell for not merely believing in their respective “gods”.

    Like Islam, in christianity there is no grey area where souls go….they either go to heaven or to hell…black or white….eternal happiness or eternal hell…..either you believe and go to heaven or disbelieve and go to hell…This is NOT what the government does. Justice system evaluates each accused individual as per their actions and whether there is evidence that some real harm has been done to others. Ones belief is irrelevant here. A citizen can voice his opinion against a government in a fair just system. It does not lead to punishment by justice system here. So your comparison is flawed.

    “Jesus was the only one who died for sinners…..the greatest love is seen in the greatest sacrifice and no god, goddess, swami, guru, teacher, prophet of any religion ever has an example of a Savior laying down his life for sinners”

    The above belief is entirely made up nonsense and a big baloney crap.

    Why would any real god (essentially a one man army, one who rules everything, one who decides solely as to who goes to heaven/hell?) need any kind of sacrifice, much less a human sacrifice, in the first place in order to forgive sins?

    Why would a god who is the sole judge, jury and executor pf punishments or rewards, need a human sacrifice in order to convince himself to forgive sins of his own creation?

    Does it make sense for you that god kills himself in a bloody torturous way to convince himself to forgive his own creation? Does it make sense to you that god commits suicide in order to convince himself to save others from hell?

    NOTE:

    A martyr dies for others in order to save others by sacrificing himself as the martyr cannot save others without this suicidal act. He has seen all other options do not yield the result he wants. This is excusable and even praise worthy for he considered others happiness better than his own life.

    However, the act of jeebus is purely suicidal, if we assume jeebus is almighty god, ie sole judge, jury and executioner, as jeebus as allegedly an almighty god had infinite solutions at his disposal for solving this problem of forgiving sinners. Yet despite this, jeebus choses to be a suicidal maniacal man-god. The only logical solution to this problem is that jeebus is NO god at all, but a delusional narcissistic maniac who considered himself as an almighty god who could forgive sins of others through suicide by roman soldiers (like suicide by cop). Since jeebus is merely a delusional narcissistic suicidal maniac, his death serves no purpose in solving the problem of sins or sinners at all. All christians are following a delusional suicidal retard as a god and raising above real God and thus blaspheming real God.

    Jeebus is satan as per OT:

    Revelation 22:16

    `I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the **bright and morning star! **

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15945#showrashi=true

    Isaiah 14:12-15

    12. How have you fallen from heaven, **the morning star?** You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.

    13 And you said to yourself, ‘To the heavens will I ascend, above God’s stars will I raise my throne, and I will sit on the mount of the assembly, in the farthest end of the north.

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will liken myself to the Most High.’

    15 But into the nether world shall you be brought down, to the bottom of the pit.

  185. stanley says:

    Before we ask Who goes to hell the question that needs to be answered is Why was hell made?
    Jesus gives us the answer in Matthew 25:41…for the devil and his angels
    It is heaven or paradise that was made for man.
    Just as a government makes prison for criminals so the God of Justice has His divine form of Judgement/retribution. Nobody has ever accused government of…how can a government be so cruel in creating prisons….we all accept that it is the right thing to do to have a just and normal society.
    God made hell not for humans but for the devil…however if a human chooses to follow the devil, act like a devil, is God supposed to NOT judge that human per the standards that condemns devil & demons to hell? NO ways!!
    The justice of God demands that the terms and conditions run fair and concurrent for all who are accused.
    As a citizen of a country you would be very angry if justice was not served correctly on a criminal, but was released into society.

    It is not a matter of religion… it is a matter of relationship…..Who is your God determines your destiny..
    Why was hell made to be eternal?
    A prison caters for the human body which is temporal…
    Hell caters for the soul/spirit which is eternal…
    Just like heaven is eternal bliss, hell is eternal pain…

    If you knew there was a heaven to gain, why would you not do everything to get there….after all, if at the end of life’s journey you discovered there was no heaven, you would have lost nothing for the life you would have lived to attain heaven would have been exemplary…however if you ignored hell, and the end of journey you discovered it was real…and you did not prepare…how you ever imagine your loss and anguish!!!

    Jesus was the only one who died for sinners…..the greatest love is seen in the greatest sacrifice and no god, goddess, swami, guru, teacher, prophet of any religion ever has an example of a Savior laying down his life for sinners…even if Jesus was just a man and not divine then all these so called deities and gods need to bow down to to the one who did for humanity what they could not or chose not to do.

    Jesus said..” I am the Way, the Truth and the Life’…..and ..’he that believes on me will not perish but have eternal life”

  186. why? says:

    Nowhere Hinduism teaches to hate non-believers, unlike bible or quran. Nowhere Hinduism says that Vedic God is a jealous God, like bible. The root of hatred for unbelievers is the bible from which muhammad copied and made it extreme hatred.

    1 Corinthians 10:20-21 “But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.”

    1 Corinthians 5:9-13 “I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” ”

    Luke 12:45-48: “The lord [owner] of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

    Matthew 15

    The Faith of the Canaanite Woman

    25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.”

    26 And he answered, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”

    27 She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”

    You may love your enemies or unbelievers as you love your dog. This is clear evidence from Jeebus himself that THERE IS CLEAR DISNTINCTION BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND UNBELIEVERS. Also note the following

    Matthew 5:48: And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

    Clearly brothers who are believers are contrasted with unbelievers who are pagans and referred as enemies…
    Again this may be difficult for Christians who are brainwashed into thinking that pagans/unbelievers are evil and that christians by default are good. Consider Paul’s statements below.

    2 Corinthians 6:14:

    Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

    It is clear why jeebus or first christians look at unbelievers as enemies, filthy dogs and evil….

    In Jeebus’ teaching, nowhere in the New Testament, does brother ever refer to an enemy. Moreover, 2 Thessalonians 3:15 (link is external) tells us that if we find it necessary to disfellowship a brother for moral reasons, we are not to regard him as an enemy. An enemy is not a brother.

    2 Thessalonians 3:15

    15 Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

    CLEARLY AGAIN ENEMY REFERS TO UNBELIEVER ONLY.

    2 Thessalonians 3:15

    biblehub(dot)com/2_thessalonians/3-15(dot)htm

    Young’s Literal Translation
    and as an enemy count him not, but admonish ye him as a brother;

    Pulpit Commentary

    Verse 15. – Yet; or as it is in the original, and; a purely connective particle. Count him not as an enemy; an entire outcast. But admonish him as a brother; a Christian brother. No hostile feeling was to be united with this avoidance of intercourse with the erring, but rather loving admonition, inasmuch as he was still a Christian brother.

    Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

    15. admonish him as a brother—not yet excommunicated (compare Le 19:17). Do not shun him in contemptuous silence, but tell him why he is so avoided (Mt 18:15; 1Th 5:14).

    2 Thessalonians 3:15

    biblehub(dot)com/2_thessalonians/3-15(dot)htm

    Young’s Literal Translation
    and as an enemy count him not, but admonish ye him as a brother;

    Pulpit Commentary

    Verse 15. – Yet; or as it is in the original, and; a purely connective particle. Count him not as an enemy; an entire outcast. But admonish him as a brother; a Christian brother. No hostile feeling was to be united with this avoidance of intercourse with the erring, but rather loving admonition, inasmuch as he was still a Christian brother.

    Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

    15. admonish him as a brother—not yet excommunicated (compare Le 19:17). Do not shun him in contemptuous silence, but tell him why he is so avoided (Mt 18:15; 1Th 5:14).

    THE COMMENTARIES MAKES IT VERY VERY CLEAR THAT THE WORD “HIM” OR “THEM” REFERS TO “ERRING” OR “SINNING” CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN EXCOMMUNICATED FROM COMMUNITY.

    So the verse says:

    Count not the “erring christians” as an enemy (an outcast unbeliever as per Pulpit commentary), but warn these “erring christians” as you would a believer.

    CLEARLY THE VERSE IS CONFIRMING DISTINCTION BETWEEN “BELIEVER” AND “UNBELIEVER”.

    Jeebus is satan as per OT:

    Revelation 22:16

    `I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the **bright and morning star!**

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15945#showrashi=true

    Isaiah 14:12-15

    12. How have you fallen from heaven, **the morning star**? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.

    13 And you said to yourself, ‘To the heavens will I ascend, above God’s stars will I raise my throne, and I will sit on the mount of the assembly, in the farthest end of the north.

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will liken myself to the Most High.’

    15 But into the nether world shall you be brought down, to the bottom of the pit.

  187. Walter Sieruk says:

    On the topic of religion , reason logic and then using those three things to find which religion has the truth. There is among many difference between the Christian apologists the Bible and the Muslim apologists for the Qur’an is that ,not always ,but many times Christians apologists who will say and write .”A person should not be afraid the question the Bible .This is because the Bible is strong and firm enough to withstand criticism. For the Bible will not collapse because of a few hard questions,.” In contrast, Muslims who are apologists for Islam ,as the imams and mullah, will not say that about the Qur’an. A Muslim cleric will say “It’s not right to question such things. There is some questions the should not even be asked . It’s very wrong to even have doubts about the Qu’ ran.” This alone tells something Furthermore , it might be of some interest to some people that in American history a very intelligent man who was neither a Christian or a Muslim , Benjamin Franklin , had printed and statement in his periodical, POOR RICHARD’S ALMANACK that might be valid saying. At least in may apply to this above article . For Mr. Franklin printed “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.”

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