What Moderate Muslims?
Dear Mr. Sina,
I enjoy reading your site, I am myself a ex-Muslim. I just couldn’t keep excusing for these brutal things in the Quran and in Hadith.
But I think that maybe we sometimes de-individualise and dehumanize the Muslims. Yes, there are many bad people that are good Muslims, many knows Quran in and out and live by it(IS) and many Muslims countries have problems like no other. But I mean they are not the only ones or the first ones to do what they do, the greatest cause for death and war has always been intolerance, racism, religion and its not all.
I know many very warm and welcoming Muslim families with sweet children, they live like anybody and doesn’t follow the religion and probably never will. They say they are against many of the things said in Quran, says they got their own meaning from the words in Quran and Muslim fanatics annoys them, but the downside is they still insist on calling themselves Muslim even though their entire being and thinking are not Muslim. I think most are like that. They think in their own moral ways, keep a pretty picture of Islam and doesn’t welcome the evil new information they receive on it, but people are like that and does it matter to call yourself Muslim if your thinking isn’t and you just follow the pillars and what you think Islam is. The young Arab Muslim girls today in western societies be like any other girl and they often do well in their studies, the new generation (under 30) isn’t like their parents.
In some West African countries where there are Muslims they recite Quran in Arabic not understanding it, just listening to the five pillars and thinking Islam is for a family life and other than that mix it with the African culture and way of life, I mean that is not the same Islam as the Islam in Arab countries like Saudi where there are better sources. Is that so bad?
Every religion can have its downside, what about the ones thinking they are Christian when they accuse children of being witches and abuse them, does it mean that all west/central African people think like that? No.
But I realise they are nice people despite being Muslims and not because of it.
Sometimes I just feel like faithfreedom preaches to avoid all Muslims and don’t get involved with them, shouldn’t we look at the individual person and don’t preach more hate and diversion?
Best regards
You are right! Not all Muslims are terrorist. Most Muslims I know are actually peaceful people. My cousins and their families are among them.
I am not fighting Muslims. I am fighting Islam. This is like saying I am not fighting the insane, but insanity. So what would you do if an insane person attacks you? What if this insanity is drug induced? Our proverbial insane person has an addiction problem. He uses a certain drug that drives him insane. Under the influence of this drug he does terrible things. When you point out the problem he becomes aggressive, cusses you and calls you drugophobic. He shows how normal he is when he is not under the influence of the drug and that you are the bigot, the close minded, the hater for blaming him. Only those who abuse the drug go insane and start killing people, he reminds you. Extremists exist everywhere, he says, etc., etc., etc. And he lies shamelessly to protect his habit and feels himself to be superior because of it. We lock up insane people when they are dangerous and Muslims are dangerous.
Even if there is a chance that 1% of the people who use this drug can go insane and become murderers, is it not logical to ban its use? Of course it is. No sane society would tolerate such drug. A sane society would not only ban the use of this drug, it will prosecute and punish its users and traffickers.
Extremist Muslims are far more than 1%. According to some pundits “only” 10 to 15 percent of Muslims are extremists. That is a mere 150 to 225 million Muslims. That is not a small number. However, the truth is that the percentage of extremist Muslims is much greater than that. This survey sheds light on the true magnitude of the problem. It is scary. How can we coexist with a people who believe in a religion that teaches them to kill is the way to paradise?
Where do these killers come from? They are born to, and are raised among “moderate” Muslims, who teach them Islam is a true religion. And when they look up in their “holy” book they see they are ordered to kill the infidels. So are you saying that the so called moderate Muslims are innocent? Moderate Muslims are the breathing ground for the terrorist Muslims. If Islam were a tree, the terrorists would be its fruit and the “moderates” its leaves. The “moderates” keep this tree of terror alive. Without the moderate Muslims there would be no Islam and no terrorist Muslim. That is clear as the sun.
It is time to get serious and lay the blame where it belongs, on the so called moderate Muslims. They are not the solution. They are the problem. Yes, they cling to Islam because of ignorance. But ignorance is not an excuse.
To get rid of Islamic terrorism we have to get serious with Islam and all its supporters. What? Are you saying we should trust those who smile on our face while curse us every day, five times a day and call it prayer? Should we trust a people who believe a mass murderer who said kill the unbelievers wherever you find them because they themselves won’t do it but teach it to their children to do it?
No my dear! I know as one who has Muslim relatives you find this hard, but we have no other choice but to ban Islam and make its practice illegal. We must close down all mosques and fine anyone who dresses like a Muslim. We must also stop immigration of Muslims and even cancel the visas of those who are already here. If it were up to me I would demand Muslims leave or stop having children so pena of deportation. Muslim children grow up and if they choose to remain Muslim there is a chance that some of them become terrorist. Considering the price this is a risk not worth taking. We must see Muslims with distrust and be very careful around them. It is foolhardy to trust a people who follow a religion that teaches killing you is the best deed. For how long can we rely on the hope that Muslims don’t take their religion seriously and don’t practice it as it is required of them?
You probably hate me for this. I am sorry. I see no other solution. Let Muslims go to their own countries and kill each other there as much as they like. Once they have had enough of this insanity and decide to join humanity, we will accept them like brothers and sisters because God loves all his children. But God does not love those who do not love Him, worship the Devil instead and kill His children.
Wish you blessings
Ali Sina
Mr. Basuki Purnama’s predicament in Indonesia is an outstanding example of religious intolerance. It exposes the myth that religion is a force for the good of mankind. Mr. Purnama was an honest and upright administrator of Indonesia who amply proved these virtues as governor of Jakarta, the capital city of that country. The majority of Jakartans liked him as he gave them an efficient and corruption-free administration in an otherwise corrupt country. He improved vital services like health and education. He had no tolerance for corruption and inefficiency on the part of his subordinates in the city administration. He cleared up slums from the riverside and lined it with parks. He cleared an infamous red-light area and converted it into a beautiful park. Apparently, he made many enemies along the way among the people whose vested interest he hurt in his drive to clean up the administration. These enemies were looking for issues to bring him down. And what better issue can be found than a religious one!
Indonesia is a Muslim-majority country where 87 % of the people are Muslim. Christians are the largest minority with 10%, followed by 1.7 % Hindus. Now there are some verses in the Koran which say that Muslims should only be ruled by Muslims. Mr. Purnama is a Christian. When he stood for reelection for the governorship of Jakarta, the rival Muslim candidates began telling people that he was a non-Muslim and that they will be disobeying Koran if they voted for him. Mr. Purnama said that his rivals were trying to mislead people by quoting the Koran. The rivals claimed that Mr. Purnama had committed a blasphemy. Now there is a court case against him accusing him of blasphemy. So in the unlikely event of Mr. Purnama winning the election, he will not be allowed to assume his post till the case is decided. He could even get a long sentence of imprisonment. Now there are also verses in the Koran which teach Muslims to be tolerant to the people of other faiths. According to scholars, these verses belong to the period of Prophet Mohammed’s life in Mecca when his followers numbered only in hundreds and were persecuted by the majority community, which was pagan. On the other hand, there are verses in the Koran which teach its followers not only not to tolerate the people of other faiths but even allow them to kill non-Muslims. These verses belong to the later period of the Prophet’s life when he had become a ruler in Medina and had become so powerful that he no longer considered it necessary to tolerate the people of other faiths.
Thus there are verses in the Koran which teach Muslims to tolerate non-Muslims and there are verses which teach them not to tolerate the people of other faiths, let alone to be ruled by them. This latter set of verses served Mr. Purnama’s Muslim rivals better. So they were indeed trying to mislead Muslims if equal importance be given to the former set of verses. The question is: is Mr. Purnama guilty of blasphemy?
Before getting independence in 1950s, the Indonesians were ruled by the Dutch, a Christian people. Why did they tolerate them? Is only might right? Do the Muslims prefer to be ruled by corrupt Muslims than by honest and upright people of other faiths? And why the blasphemy law is on the statute book in a so called democratic country? Would the Muslims like to be treated in the manner they are treating their minorities in countries where they are in a minority?
Arguably, India is not an ideal democracy. But it is a country where a Muslim can become even the head of state. Where there are numerous Muslim ministers of government, diplomats, bureaucrats, generals and air marshals. Yet India is a country where Muslims constitute only 16 % of the population. Would the Muslims like to be treated in India as they are treating Mr. Purnama?
Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina asks: What Moderate Muslims?
The following LINK will show how foreign-born Muslim refugees in Western Europe are committing Islamic crimes by utilizing Christian Germany’s open-border system.
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http://www.teaparty.org/liberal-teacher-takes-muslim-refugee-friend-finds-whats-left-217936/
“The 55-year-old German-Iranian teacher lived in Celle, a small town near Hanover, Germany.
The popular teacher known as “Medhi H.” to his students was reported missing when he didn’t show up for work earlier this month.
After befriending four refugees while making locations at a migrant center and even opening his home to them, one of them brutally beat him and left him to die in a pool of his own blood.”
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European Christians continue to import migratory foreign-born Muslims in the hope of ultimately converting foreign-born devout Muslims into Christianism; but, Muslims act like poisonous snakes do after enjoying the “Free-Milk” from the hosts!
Mr Ali Sinha
I am a Sikh (because I was born a Sikh, otherwise I have nothing to do with religion). Before I came across FFI, I had just written to a friend, who is a free-thinker like me, and with whom I can share my thoughts with any reservation, the following: Americans are a strange people. They were demanding Muslim blood when Islamic terrorists attacked them on 11 Sept. 2001. They went to war against the Mulim Afghanistan to punish the organizers and supporters of these terrorists. They elected Donald Trump as their president because he promised to protect them from Islamic terrorists. Yet when he took the first step in that direction, the signing of an executive order banning entry of immigrants from seven Muslim countries, they began a hue and cry against him. Is it because the danger from Islamic terrorism has subsided now, or they are afraid that this action of their president might further enrage the Islamic terrorists and provide them with additional motivation to attack America? I wonder.
It has become a cliche for the liberal-minded westerners to say that Islam is a religion of peace and the terrorists are just a bunch of misguided youth who have personal grievances because of their mistreatment by the western societies. But after an exhaustive study of the history of Islamic countries and the Quran, I have reached the conclusion that Islam is far from being a peaceful religion. It is religion of war and strife. It was born out of war and strife and it spread mainly through war and strife. Vast territories in the middle east, the North-Africa, Central and South-Asia were conquered by war and the people forcibly converted to Islam. The Quran clearly enjoins Muslims to undertake Jihad, not only to defend Muslims, but also to attack and kill non-Muslims.
When the Muslim conquests took place in the centuries after Muhammad’s death, the regions mentioned above were politically and militarily weak and disorganized. Muhammad’s followers were so numerous and upbeat by their initial conquests in the Arabian peninsula and so motivated by the desire to plunder and enslave other people, that their power became irresistible. But then, as so often happens, with the passage of time, the Muslims themselves became divided and weak. The Muslim countries of Central Asia came under Russian domination and those of other regions under the other European powers, British, French and Dutch et al. The Oppressors became the oppressed.
But the Muslims never forgot the period of their domination nor the Quranic injunctions regarding the Jihad. They still nourish in their hearts the ambition of bringing the whole world under Islamic domination. But they lack the military power to do so. Hence the terror. Stun the liberal-minded West by terror, is the thinking. May be the people who think so are a minority, but it is they who are calling the shots. The others of their community are silent but wish that they be considered entitled to charity of the West.
So is Trump or the people who elected him wrong. Weren’t the terrorists who carried out attacks in Britain, France, Spain and Germany Muslim immigrants? Most of the first generation immigrants who have suffered persecution in their native countries are happy to settle in their adopted countries and live peaceful lives. But then either they find themselves unable to integrate with the new communities or the new communities shun them, the later generations become disillusioned with their adopted countries, so much so that some among them have the audacity to attack their hosts.
In my opinion, it is this feeling which is driving the Europeans and Americans towards far right policies. The coming elections in France, Germany and Netherlands are likely to elect far right governments, strongly opposed to immigration. So the problems of immigrants are likely to increase. But who is responsible for their problems? Their religion, I suspect.
I request that you publish this as an article on your website.
By the way I have read the Quran. Though it made a very dull reading, I plodded through it to the end, just to know what this Islam is all about. It raised the same questions in my mind as it raised in yours. I have also read your splendid book “PROBING ISLAM”. It was one of those books which can truely be called unputdownable. There is much which I find unplattable in my own religion. Hoping for further interaction with you.
Parshotam Singh Lalli
Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina asks: What Moderate Muslims?
The following LINK will show how moderate Muslims are being supported by their Christian enablers of Islam.
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http://www.teaparty.org/christians-turn-mosques-resist-trump-216673/
“We are here to pray with you and pray for you.” Father Tony Pizzo, St. Rita Catholic Church…”
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So, at the core, Christians and Muslims are two sides of the same coin!
TS wrote:
“If you think so all credit goes to GOD not Jesus. Jesus did nothing to be perfect, wise, holy, and sinless because these traits were God gifted to him by God.”
Good comment, you really are a truth seeker.
I think we have different mind sets here. Most christians make a distinction between creator and creation. They believe Jesus is not a part of the creation but God himself, though he became a man he still is God (wise, holy, and sinless).
@Ron
___________Jesus was perfect, holy and sinless__________
If you think so all credit goes to GOD not Jesus. Jesus did nothing to be perfect, wise, holy, and sinless because these traits were God gifted to him by God. God did not create you & me perfect, sinless, holy. GOD is unjust with us. Why? We are doing much challenging task than Jesus because we are created with limited potential.
Ron,
You are resorting back to baseless criticisms of Hindu puranas. Anasuya gave birth to Dattatreya. He is the incarnation of Lord Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma.
There is no rape anywhere in the story. We believe in Hindu Gods because the puranic stories are flawless unlike stories and lies spread by Hindu haters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dattatreya(Any body interested on how Anasuya gave birth to Dattatreya can read the wiki link and understand that Ron trying to spread misinformation regarding Hinduism.
I am repeating my questions again to Ron which I am sure he has no answers.
1. Will heaven and hell last forever?
2. Will soul last for ever in heaven /hell forever.?
3. Before Jesus all those who were born went to hell?
4. worshipping Jesus is the only way to heaven? In that case all those humans who have’nt heard of Jesus will go hell? Is this their fault?
Please answer to my earlier questions Ron!!
@Ali Sina/Ron
Discussion between a Hindu and Christain
Christian:. “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light that it was good and God divided the light from the darkness.” (1:3,4) Bible
Hindu ~ Was the dead inert light able to hear what God said? If so, why cannot the sun, the lamp and the light of fire hear us. The light is dead and inert and therefore cannot hear anyone. Did God only, after he had seen the light, know that the light was good? It appears that He did not know it beforehand he could not have been God. Hence the Bible is not the Word of God, nor is God mentioned in it an Omniscient Being.
Christian. “And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters. And God made the firmament, from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.” (1:6, 7, 8.) Bible
Hindu. ~ Did the firmament and the waters also hear what God said? Had there been no akasha* in water, where would it have existed. The creation of the heaven is mentioned in the first verse (of Genesis), it was useless the to create it again. If akasha be the Heaven it would also be everywhere. It is useless then to say that the heaven is situated somewhere above. How could there be the morning and the evening when the sun had not yet been created? The succeeding verses also treat of such impossible things.
Further how
I got answers of questions were in my mind by God inspite of my non-belief in Jesus as world most pure personality ever came on earth. How?
@Ron
I got answers of questions were in my mind by God inspite of my non-belief in Jesus as world most pure personality ever came on earth. How?
Dear Truth Seeker
Jesus is the only God who answers prayers.
If you sincerely search for God, you will be answered by Jesus.
Watch this testimony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpR_inmDNps
Jesus was perfect, holy and sinless.
these hindu gods (shiva, rama, Krishna, indra, brahma, agni, kali etc) cannot be gods.
We know there are 330 million gods but I am sure that they will all have similar or worse stories than these people.
Better than these hindu gods was MK Gandhi, Ambedkar, Vajpayee, Sardar Patel, Vivekanada, Mother Theresa, Amartya sen etc
How can you accept these Hindu gods when you have stories like this below
“When the gods interrupted Siva and Parvati, two sons were born of drops of Siva’s seed. These sons were then posted at the door to prevent further interruptions while Siva made love to Parvati, having promised the gods that he would not spill his seed in her.
One day Parvati came out of the bedroom in great dishabille, half naked, her breasts scored with teeth marks.
The two sons chanced to see her like that, and they were upset, but Parvati became angry and said, ‘Why have you looked at me when I was not in a state to be seen by anyone but my husband? You should have closed your eyes. Since you have done this immoral thing, you will be reborn as mortal men with the faces of monkeys.’
Then they were miserable and protested that it was her fault for having come out so suddenly, and they cursed her to become a mortal queen (Taravati) and Siva to be her husband (Candrasekhara) so that they themselves might be born again as their sons, Vetala and Bhairava.” — Siva Purana 3:21:1-8; Kalika Purana 49:1-92, 50:1-64, 51:1- 60, 52:1-155, 53:1-217. —
Proof of rape, bestiality by the so called flawless Hindu gods in Hindu scriptures.
(How can these gods (brahma, Vishnu/krishna and shiva, Indra be flawless?)
“One day the sage Atri (Brahma’s son) was performing tapas with his wife Anasuya. Brahma, Visnu, and Siva came and offered him a boon, but Atri remained silent, meditating. Then the three gods went to Anasuya. Siva had his linga (cock) in his hand, Visnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma was beside himself with desire, saying to Anasuya, ‘Make love with me or I will die.’ When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But they were overcome with delusion, and they raped her by force.” — Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78.
Additional Sources: O’Flaherty The Origins of Evil in Hindu Mythology. Pub.: University of California Press. ISBN 0-520-04098-8. pp.302-303
“One day the sage Atri (Brahma’s son) was performing tapas with his wife Anasuya. Brahma, Visnu, and Siva came and offered him a boon, but Atri remained silent, meditating. Then the three gods went to Anasuya. Siva had his linga (cock) in his hand, Visnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma was beside himself with desire, saying to Anasuya, ‘Make love with me or I will die.’ When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But they were overcome with delusion, and they raped her by force.” — Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78.
Additional Sources: O’Flaherty The Origins of Evil in Hindu Mythology. Pub.: University of California Press. ISBN 0-520-04098-8. pp.302-303
In the Pine Forest, Shiva raped the wives of some sages, so the sages got together and beat the Shit out of Shiva. They then demanded that he put a stop to this immoral behavior by handing over his d|ck (linga). Left with no choice and scared of further beatings, Shiva grudgingly ripped out his d|ck and ran away (vanished).
“When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, ‘Tear out your linga (d|ck)’. The great yogi said to them, ‘I will do it, if you hate my linga’, and he tore it out and vanished.” — Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41cf.
• Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a.
14. O’Flaherty, Siva: The Erotic Ascetic. Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. p.132.
The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu (priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: “This horse may release semen in me.” — Yajur Veda 23/20
“Brahma started roaming about in forests. He happened to see a female bear in a bush. Brahma would not leave it. He went straight to the bear. The female bear yielded to Brahma’s lust. God Brahma enjoyed the bear, and a human being with the head of a bear was born. He was called Jambu Vandan, the son of Brahma.”
FtT wrote:
“who doesn’t come to help”
It is the same criticism as in Luke 23 which reads:
39And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina asks: What Moderate Muslims?
The following LINK will show how moderate Muslims treat their Christian enablers of Islam.
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http://www.teaparty.org/muslims-raid-church-meeting-rape-women-snatch-pastor-216558/
“The area is largely Muslim, though Uganda’s population is 85 percent Christian and 11 percent Muslim.
Angered by the conversion of Muslims to Christian faith, as many as 90 Muslims broke into a Christian prayer meeting in a village in eastern Uganda, raped 15 Christian women and kidnapped a Christian pastor and eight other Christian people, according to a Christian news source.”
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Looks like Christians worship a dead Nazarene Jew — a replica or idol of a son of a Jewish whore hanging on the gallows — who doesn’t come to help Christians under attacks from the followers of Allah and Allah’s last messenger!
TS wrote:
“When you do not understand the world created by God – His handiwork, how can you then know God?”
The bible is not a book of science or a history book it is a book about faith, the belief (trust) that there is a God.
As God cannot be proven the “natural man” can only assume that there is a God as Paul writes in Romans 1:
20 For from the first making of the world, those things of God which the eye is unable to see, that is, his eternal power and existence, are fully made clear, he having given the knowledge of them through the things which he has made.
But a christian also believes that God can reveal himself to men personally. Furthermore the majority of christianity believes that God – an infinite Being – has revealed himself in a very special way, namely God has become man (that`s christmas all about).
Where is Jesus now and what is he doing now?
@Ali Sina
Here is
Conversation between a Hindu and Christian
GENESIS
. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (:, .)
C.* ~ What do you call the beginning?>
Christian. ~ The first creation of the world.
~ Is this the first creation? Was the world never created before?
Ch. ~ We do not know whether it was created before or not. God alone knows that.
~ When you do not know that, why should you believe in this book (i.e., the Bible) which cannot enlighten you on these points and pinning your faith to it, preach it to others and thereby ensnare them into this religion which is do full of doubts. Why don’t you embrace the Vedic religion which is free from all doubts and enlightens one on all points. When you do not understand the world created by God – His handiwork, hoe can you then know God?
Ron,
What was God doing before creation? Where is God? So your monotheism says God created matter ? So before God created matter there was only God, now there is creation and creator? And Looks like creation will last fore ever according to you in heaven and hell. Your monotheism fails to explain this.
While our absolute monism (Advaita Vedanta is the best example) only believes in existence of God. space, time, matter all are not absolute reality. Only perceived as reality.
You clearly pointed out that only God is beyond time not soul. Advaita Vedanta identifies only one consciousness which is God. Thus individual souls is exactly same as God. All souls are the same and God. This is precisely advaita (no dvaita or no second thing). Question of where soul exists thus become irrelevant as soul is God.
So soul is not beyond time according to you. Does that mean soul has end? souls in heaven and hell will die eventually?
If not your god is a sadist as he punish people for their finite crimes infinitely in hell.
Hindu Gods does not indulge in rape, gang rape and crimes. The character of Vishnu, Shiva, mother Godess are also flawless. if you think otherwise Show clear proofs. We don’t need to justify anything here as artistic symbolism. You already understood stories of Ahalya and Sastha’s birth as different from what you understood.
One last question , before Jesus how people worshipped God? If Jesus is the only way all those who were born before Jesus went straight to hell?
Nirguna para Brahmam (attribute less God) is beyond senses, space , time , matter and even imagination. Thus God is an abstract / unknown entity. How ordinary people can communicate/access such an abstract / unknown entity?
This is why muslims named God allah, but while worshipping they don’t know what to concentrate on. In middle east alone canaanites since Abraham’s time tried to pray to God by calling God “god of Abraham” , “god of moses” etc. Again this is a very abstract / unknown absolute truth they were trying to worship. According to you it is ok to worship God that way till Jesus time and from his time worship God as Jesus?
Zakir Naik says allah had sent messengers even before Mohammed’s time to all nations. Even messengers were sent to Amerindians . All children are born as muslims etc. Do you have similar arguments in bible?
Does bible say messengers were sent to all nations. Till Jesus time, please worship the abstract / unknown / attribute less God and from 32 AD worship as Jesus (a white man with long beard and long hairs)?? Only then you will be admitted to heaven??
Hinduism is absolute monism (God alone exists is the absolute truth and nothing else exists).
Vijay, you exist and the matter around you exists. Neither you and nor the matter around you are god (creator). So monoism falls flat.
There is difference between Creator and creation. The creation can never become the creator of itself. God created the Universe, earth, living things and non-living things etc. But God is not the non-living thing like a stone. Hinduism has been corrupted to make God in everything and thus worship everything (but God himself).
Jesus is the only person who came down to earth, born through immaculate conception to Mary and was sinless. You may argue over his birth which is a miracle to Christians, but you can never find any documentary evidence about a crime (apart from the charge of blasphemy) done by Jesus in any ancient texts. There is documentary evidence of miracles done by Jesus.
If you say Hinduism soul has no birth or death then before the baby is born, where is the soul of that body existing?
Only God has no beginning or end and is outside time. The soul is not outside time.
Of all the religious or spiritual personalities who walked on this earth and if they are tried on crimes for what they have done or not done to people on earth using their own texts which were written about them, during their times or few centuries afterwards, then you will see the truth.
Krishna/Vishnu/Rama, Shiva, brahma, Indra, kali, Agni etc. can be easily indicted and convicted for bestiality, incest, adultery, rape, gang-rape, deceit, robbery, revenge, fornication, fellatio, murder, unforgiveness etc. using Hindu Puranas, Vedas, Manu smriti, Upanishads, Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. as documentary evidence.
Exonerating the Hindu gods of above crimes saying that it is pure symbolism and artistic expressions of sex is totally illogical and not justifiable at all.
Mohammed can be easily indicted and convicted of adultery, rape, gang-rape, deceit, robbery, revenge, fornication, murder, unforgiveness using Quran and the Hadith as documentary evidence.
Exonerating Mohamed is just not justifiable.
Greek and Egyptian, Mayan, pygmy, African mbuti gods who are similar to Hindu gods can be easily indicted and convicted of bestiality, incest, adultery, rape, gang-rape, deceit, robbery, revenge, fornication, fellatio, murder, unforgiveness.
They cannot be exonerated under any circumstances but we all generally agree that they are false gods or monsters.
Buddha can be indicted and convicted of wife abandonment, child abandonment, self-nudity, but not of any other crime and he never did any miracles.
Only Jesus cannot be indicted and convicted of any crime using Gospels, Epistles and Bible.
On the singular charge of blasphemy against Jesus, we know it is not true as Jesus said that He is God and proved that He had the attributes of God by giving life to the dead, making the lame to walk, deaf to hear, dumb to speak, blind to see and lepers and the sick to be healed instantly.
Fake_the _truth uses expletives, shouts (uses CAPS) and has the propensity and advocates real violence instead of using dialogue and civility, but I respect his knowledge. For me he is brother in humanity. It is just indoctrination of hate which has built so much anger in him.
Anyways Jesus always said to love and bless those who hate you.
Jesus is the only way, the truth and life.
This message is for Ron_the_Christian_Mother_F**ker_Son_of_Christian_Whore:
[Dear Brother Fake_the_truth,…]
NO, CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER, I AM NEVER YOUR BROTHER.
MANY A TIME OTHER POST-WRITERS HAVE EXPLAINED TO YOU WITH ELABORATE DETAILS AND ANSWERS TO YOUR EVERY QUESTION, BUT THEIR RIGOROUS DETAILS AND ANSWERS DID NOT — I REPEAT, DID NOT — STOP YOU FROM ASKING ME THE SAME QUESTION(S) AGAIN HERE.
SO, I WILL NOT WASTE MY TIME IN TYPING ANYMORE.
WHAT YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE NEED NOW IS EXTREME BEATING — I MEAN, EXTREME BEATING ON YOUR BONES AND JOINTS — WITH AN IRON-ROD SO THAT YOUR BLOOD DOES NOT SPILL ON EARTH AS YOUR POISONOUS CHRISTIAN BLOOD WILL CONTAMINATE THE MOTHER EARTH.
I MEAN, EXTREME BEATING!
DON’T TAKE MY SENTENCE LIGHTLY.
YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE WORSHIP — AS “GOD” OR AS “SON OF GOD” — A DEAD NAZARENE JEW — HANGING ON THE GALLOWS — WHO WAS ACTUALLY A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE WHO YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE BELIEVE HAVE “WASHED” YOUR CHRISTIAN SINS OF LOOTING, ARSON, NON-STOP WARS AND WAR-PROFITEERING, SEXUAL SLAVERY OF NON-BELIEVING WOMEN AND CHILDREN, AND WANTON DESTRUCTIONS OF NON-BELIEVERS’ EVERYTHING.
SIMILARLY, AFTER RECEIVING MULTIPLE STRIKES FROM AN IRON-ROD, YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE WILL SCREAM OUT LOUD SAYING THAT “I AM JESUS F**KING CHRIST”, “I AM JESUS F**KING CHRIST”, “I AM JESUS F**KING CHRIST” AGAIN AND AGAIN.
I CAN GUARANTEE YOUR BLOOD-CURDLING SCREAMS OF “I AM JESUS F**KING CHRIST” UNTIL THE LAST MOMENT.
Hinduism is absolute monism (God alone exists is the absolute truth and nothing else exists)….
Christianity and islam are monotheism .Only one God exists. creation is separate from God.
Hindu God is beyond space and time. For those who perceive universe as real God is everywhere. Christian and Islamic God is in heaven (Quran 67:17-67:19).
God if assume one form can assume multiple forms. Christianity says God can assume only the form of Jesus.
In Hinduism God in true nature is beyond senses and imagination. However same God assumes forms for the sake of devotees. This is the difference between saguna and nirguna Brahmam. Idols are only for saguna Brahmam.
In islam, God cannot be seen ( beyond eyes) but can be heard (not beyond ears) as Allah talks nonsence to prophets and angels.
heaven and hell were copied from zoroastrianism by jews which were in turn copied by Christians and muslims. In Hinduism, moksha or self realization is salvation. Heaven and hell are temporary
In Hinduism soul has no birth and death. Anything which has birth has death and vice versa. Christian and Islamic theology says soul has birth but no death. Blind faith based postulates.
Thus God concept, after life concept, soul (self, I consciousness /Atma) concept of Hinduism is logical whereas that of Abrahamic faiths are based on blind faith and fear.
Ron says Indra raped ahalya, Shiva had homo relation with Vishnu. Both are wrong if anyone reads wiki pages of Ahalya or female avatar Mohini of Lord Vishnu. All stories circulating regarding Hinduism are fake. One just have to read the puranas. There is no need for Hindus to be apologetic to false hood spread by Hindu haters.
Neverthless I still prefer Christianity over islam because at least Christianity has some love and service message in it
In Christianity, you have only one God and not many gods as in greek, Egyptian, roman, hindu, pygmy, mbuti etc. mythology who fight each other. These false gods have illicit sex with each other (this is a speciality among hindu, greek and African mbuti and pygmy mythology).
Moses, Abraham are not gods. The Bible relates history and tells their flaws,.
There is no ancient book (old document like, Torah, Talmud etc ) which tells that Aaron was killed by Moses. (please cite your evidence).
Mohammed did a lot of crimes and is alluded in the Bible as a future false prophet.
I accept Jesus as my God and my Saviour because he alone is sinless, flawless and did great miracles. (there is no documentary evidence that he did crime apart from the charge of blasphemy by certain Jews)
Bible:.
“Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” (:, .)
~ It appears from this that Christ was a poor man. The rich very likely did not respect him, hence he taught the above; but this teaching is not true, because there are good and bad people among the rich as well as among the poor. A man may be rich or poor, but he always reaps the fruits of his deeds – good or bad – as the case may be.
It is also clear that Christ believed that the kingdom of God was in some particular locality and not everywhere. Such being the case, He cannot be god, since God’s kingdom must be everywhere and it is foolish to speak of it as one shall or shall not enter into it. Again, will all the Christians that are rich go to hell and those that are poor enter into heaven?
A little reflection would have made it clear to Jesus Christ that the poor do not possess so many means (to do good) as the rich. If the rich, after due deliberation, spend their wealth in furthering the cause of righteousness, they could attain the highest state, whilst the poor without any means for their improvement would remain in wretched plight.
Conversation between a Hindu and Christian
GENESIS
. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (:, .)
C.* ~ What do you call the beginning?>
Christian. ~ The first creation of the world.
~ Is this the first creation? Was the world never created before?
Ch. ~ We do not know whether it was created before or not. God alone knows that.
~ When you do not know that, why should you believe in this book (i.e., the Bible) which cannot enlighten you on these points and pinning your faith to it, preach it to others and thereby ensnare them into this religion which is do full of doubts. Why don’t you embrace the Vedic religion which is free from all doubts and enlightens one on all points. When you do not understand the world created by God – His handiwork, hoe can you then know God?
@Ron,
You did not answer to my post. nevertheless,
You keep saying that Jesus alone is truth , only way. It seems Bible only talks about brief period of Jesus’s (may be from 30-32) but anyway for argument sake let’s say that his character was flawless.
Then according to you, followers of Jesus only finds the true path.
Then do you reject the little Mohammed (moses) killings of Egyptian soldier, killing of Canaanites/Jews who worshipped the yellow calf and killing of Aaron?
You reject Adam and Eve who roamed nude having physical relations all the time?
You reject Abraham who married an Egyptian slave girl Hagar and claims it to be part of his prophethood and God’s will?
Any one not indoctrinated to semitic religions and cannot be brainwashed will find hard to believe these nonsences too.
So final question is are you Christian who follow only Jesus and reject all the earlier Jewish prophets and traditions?
Dear Brother Fake_the_truth,
You said Hindu Puranas says things in artistic forms. So, penis and vagina worship, incest, rape, bestiality, voyeurism, gangrape, murder, fornication, fellatio, adultery, elephant deformity, by Hindu gods like brahma, Vishnu/Krishna, Shiva, Indira is all symbolism.
What good is this symbolism?
The temple carvings in Khajuraho which depicts Puranic bestiality, anal sex, orgies of Hindu gods and rishis is artistic forms. But what message does it give to devotees?
The Puranas and Hindu scriptures which give the above symbolism or artistic forms give only one dirty, unholy, deplorable and immoral message.
The message from these false Hindu gods (read demons) is “We the Hindu gods (brahma, Shiva, Vishnu, Rama, Krishna, Indra, Agni etc.) practice this deplorable acts and you the devotees who are mere humans have to replicate it”
Common sense says that such gods just cannot be the true holy God.
Many Hindus do not know that Ramayana contains a story of Hanuman a monkey who lifted a mountain and flew at an high altitude across the ocean to air-deliver the mountain which had a forest with thousands of trees in it of which one was a medicinal herb.
You must be courageous like Truth Seeker and admit that this Hanuman story and the Ramayana story is bullshit and indefensible.
I have not seen any elaborate answers as to why penis and vagina must be worshipped.
The only bullshit explanation given by you and your cohorts was something like Hindu god can take any form (penis, vagina, shit, dog, rat, cow, snake, tree, stone etc.) so you can worship any shit.
If anyone is not indoctrinated in Hinduism, then they will easily see that this bullshit explanation is to be rejected.
Jesus alone was sinless. Jesus is the way, the truth and life.
This message is for Ron_the_Christian_Mother_F**ker:
[Fake_the_truth agrees that the stories of the Puranas are not true and are not historical facts and are fairy tales.]
NO, THAT’S NOT WHAT I WROTE, YOU CHRISTIAN SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE.
I SAID, “HINDU” PURANAS SAID THINGS — WHETHER THEY WERE PRACTICAL OR NOT DOESN’T MATTER — IN ARTISTIC FORMS.
DO NOT TWIST WHAT I WRITE, YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE.
[Fake_the_truth agrees that they are for symbolic meaning purposes.]
I DID NOT “AGREE”.
NEVER USE INCORRECT ENGLISH WORD SUCH AS “AGREE” SINCE I HAD NOTHING TO “AGREE” THERE, YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE.
I LITERALLY SAID ABOUT THINGS AS THEY APPEAR.
[So we can all agree that stories from the Hindu Puranas are not historical truths and so are not defensible as truth. This is a welcome development.]
NO, THAT’S NOT WHAT I WROTE.
NO, THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID.
HUMANS EXPRESSED VARIOUS THINGS DURING PRE-HISTORIC TIMES IN ARTISTIC FORMS AND WITH SYMBOLISM FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THEIR LIVES AS WELL AS OF THEIR SOCIETIES AND THAT’S WHAT MY HONEST UNDERSTANDING ABOUT “HINDU” PURANAS.
NOBODY WILL SAY THAT RAMAYANA AND MAHA-BHARATA ARE STRICTLY PRESERVED HISTORICAL RECORDS OR HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS AND, YET, NOBODY WILL NEED TO ARGUE THAT IN RAMAYANA AND MAHA-BHARATA THERE ARE HISTORIES OF VERY ANCIENT “HINDU” CIVILIZATION OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT FROM WHERE ANY “HINDU” CAN TAKE BOTH RELIGIOUS AND NON-RELIGIOUS — JUST COMMON SENSE — INSPIRATION(S).
[So by extension these Gods Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu, Ganpati are not true Gods. They are false Gods.]
NO, THAT’S NOT WHAT I WROTE.
WHAT YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE WROTE IS EXACTLY WHAT MUSLIM BASTARDS THINK AND THAT’S WHY MUSLIM BASTARDS INVADED, LOOTED, ARSONNED, ENSLAVED AND SOLD INDIAN “HINDUS” DURING MEDIEVAL TIME.
WHAT YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE WROTE IS WHAT WORLD’S CHRISTIANS BELIEVE AND PROPAGATE AND THAT’S WHY EUROPEAN CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KERS LOOTED FROM AND INDISCRIMINATELY MURDERED INDIAN “HINDUS” FOR OVER A CENTURY.
MUSLIM BASTARDS THINK “HINDUS” WORSHIP FALSE GODS.
JEWISH LOSERS THINK “HINDUS” WORSHIP FALSE GODS.
CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKERS SONS OF CHRISTIAN WHORES THINK “HINDUS” WORSHIP FALSE GODS.
BUT, THAT’S NOT WHAT WORLD’S “HINDUS” THINK AND BELIEVE.
SO, NEVER EXTEND — I REPEAT, NEVER EXTEND — YOUR FALSE CHRISTIAN ARGUMENTS INTO ANY “HINDU”, BECAUSE “HINDUS” KNOW WHAT THEY WORSHIP, BECAUSE “HINDUS” KNOW WHAT IS SACRED TO THEM.
“HINDUS” DO NOT NEED HELP IN RELIGIOUS MATTERS FROM YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE.
[So now if they are false Gods with animal heads etc , then why pray to them?]
I ALREADY ANSWERED THAT “HINDU” DEITIES ARE NOT FALSE GODS.
YOUR DEAD JESUS F**KING CHRIST WAS AND IS A FALSE GOD FOR BEING A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE.
[Why pray to the Hindu god Shiva penis and vagina? (Only Fake_the_truth and his cohorts knows the symbolic meaning of praying to penis and vagina).]
NO, CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER.
MANY A TIME OTHER POST-WRITERS HAVE EXPLAINED TO YOU WITH ELABORATE ANSWERS, BUT THEIR RIGOROUS ANSWERS DID NOT — I REPEAT, DID NOT — STOP YOU FROM ASKING ME THE SAME QUESTION(S) AGAIN HERE.
SO, I WILL NOT WASTE MY TIME IN TYPING ANYMORE.
WHAT YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE NEED NOW IS EXTREME BEATING — I MEAN, EXTREME BEATING ON YOUR BONES AND JOINTS — WITH AN IRON-ROD SO THAT YOUR BLOOD DOES NOT SPILL ON EARTH AS YOUR POISONOUS CHRISTIAN BLOOD WILL CONTAMINATE THE EARTH.
I MEAN, EXTREME BEATING!
DON’T TAKE MY SENTENCE LIGHTLY.
YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE WORSHIP A DEAD NAZARENE JEW — HANGING ON THE GALLOWS — WHO WAS A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE AS “GOD” OR AS “SON OF GOD” WHO YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE BELIEVE HAVE “WASHED” YOUR CHRISTIAN SINS OF LOOTING, ARSON, NON-STOP WARS AND WAR-PROFITEERING, SEXUAL SLAVERY OF NON-BELIEVING WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND WANTON DESTRUCTIONS OF NON-BELIEVERS’ EVERYTHING.
SIMILARLY, AFTER RECEIVING MULTIPLE STRIKES FROM AN IRON-ROD, YOU CHRISTIAN COCK$UCKER SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE WILL SCREAM OUT LOUD SAYING THAT “I AM JESUS F**KING CHRIST”, “I AM JESUS F**KING CHRIST”, “I AM JESUS F**KING CHRIST” AGAIN AND AGAIN.
I CAN GUARANTEE YOUR BLOOD-CURDLING SCREAMS OF “I AM JESUS F**KING CHRIST” UNTIL THE LAST MOMENT.
Ron, Indra is a minor god. The Indra in Vedas has many meaning. Just read the wiki pages of Ahalya. Of course puranas say incest as something bad and we need to keep ourself away from it.
Regarding maya- Hinduism is the only religion that has defined soul. Soul has no birth and death unlike your belief where soul has birth but no death. The I consciousness or the self is the atma or soul . This is the basic difference between living and non living. Also Hinduism is the only religion which said plants are living. A robot has a mechanical body and a mind (CPU and its functioning) but does not have the self. Go and read atman wiki pages – esp mimamsa view.
The ignorant associates one with body , mind and ego. The person who attain salvation identifies self with Brahmam (God). Lord Krishna deep inside identifies himself as Brahmam. He is with Brahmam consciousness. Hence he is worshipped as God. Our self is also Brahmam but we do not identify hence we are not worshipped as God. Now coming to Biblical myths of adam, eve, etc these are even worse than Greek mythology. Abraham wanted to marry Hagar and he created a story that God is asking him to marry hagar and his wife Sarah is agreeing to it. Moses killed his own brother Aaron by throwing him from top of a mountain. When Ali Sina’s ancestors (the great Persian nation) conquered Babylon and liberated Jews, in 539 BCE, you semitic religionists copied Satan (Ahriman) , last judgement , heaven and hell from Iranians. Iranian religion itself is corrupted Vedic/Hindu religion and they got the concept of heaven and hell only from Hindus. Ancient Iranians were people migrated out of India (the home of humanity)
You keep saying mauryan empire was a small empire. Yes it was by area. By population it comprised of 50-60 million out of 150 million world population (ie 1/3rd) . Herodotus wrote that Indians (not Chinese) are the largest nation and Thracians are the second largest
Dear Vijay,
This Maya or everything is illusion and God alone is truth is a mixture of hogwash and truth.
Yes God alone is holy and truth. But your very existence and the existence of others both animate and inanimate objects is true. It is not an illusion. Go and drink some hot coffee and see whether you can feel the heat and the liquid and the caffeine.
Here you are not an illusion, nor the coffee is an illusion. Thinking that it is an illusion is in itself a delusion. You can feel the coffee and the mug by the five senses and also by drinking it and you can feel and see it getting depleted from the cup and filling your belly.
Coming to Ahalyas rape by Indra there are many versions.
In the Brahma Vaivarta Purana, Indra sees Ahalya when she was bathing in Svarnadi the heavenly river, and yearns for her. In the disguise of her husband Indra makes love to her till they sink into the bottom of the riverbed in exhaustion. Almost on the same lines of this story, but here Indra approaches Ahalya for sexual favor at banks of river Mandakini, but is flatly refused by her. But he achieves this finally by disguising himself as the Sage Gautama.
In the Skanda Purana, Ahalya smells Indra’s celestial fragrance and realises her folly as he embraces and kisses her. Threatening Indra with a curse, she compels him to reveal his true form.
In Hindu Tamil weddings in India and Sri Lanka, Ahalya appears as a symbolic black grinding stone, which the bride touches with her foot as a promise not to be like Ahalya.
The well-known treatise on sexual behavior, the Kama Sutra mentions Ahalya and Indra and how lust destroys men, but it also urges men to seduce women by telling the romantic tales of Ahalya
A similar tale of seduction by the King of Gods can be found in the Greek mythology. Zeus the king of gods seduces Alcmene wife of Amphitryonwhich resulted in the birth of Heracles.
We know that Greek mythology is false but because you are born and indoctrinated by Hindu culture, you find it difficult to disbelieve such ludicrous stories.
Even taking the most sanitized version of the story of Ahalya, it was attempted rape by Indra -god of Hindus and it is shameful to worship Hindu gods as Dr Ambedkar said. (but sex did take place because Ahalya got pregnant)
Anyway the fact is Indra came disguised as Gautama and had sex with Ahalya who then gave birth to Vali (a monkey) and she gave birth to Anjana Devi, the mother of Hanuman .
The more you read the Hindu scripture like Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabaratha, Vedas etc there is lots and lots of immorality, incest, deceit, robbery, fellatio, homosexuality, bestiality practiced by the big gods (shiva, brahma, Vishnu/krishna, rama, indra, agni and by rishis)
To Ali Sina,
Sir- you once said that there are three categories of muslims and vast majority is the group called stupid muslims. I have a feeling that this category of muslims are moving away towards puritanism or terrorism or atheism due to heavy scrutinizing of Islamic scripture.
I feel islam was not designed that way. It was a religion which gave lot of freedom to believers loot, abuse other’s women , merry making etc at the cost of non muslims. All Quran focused was mistakes of other religion. They were quite happy and confident that they will finally make an entry to heaven.
Today there are lot of muslims who are puritans strictly following rules and even upholding some human values . Puritanism will kill happiness. I guess this is a positive sign for non muslims.
what is your opinion? Sorry I don’t know if this is the right forum to ask you this question
Stories in purans as false as stories in Bible & Quran. Any text contains stories can not be from God. Why?
Think on this
@Ron,
Hinduism says God alone is absolute truth. universe , space and time is non existent maya or illusion. Then history will also become non existent. In that sense puranas are non existent. Otherwise they are true history.
Unlike biblical myths of adam, eve, noah , moses and many stories of Jesus, virginity of Mary etc , Hindu puranas has symbolism and meaning attached to it . You are spreading baseless hatred towards Hinduism. Don’t use the word rape. Indra came as sage Gautama to Ahalya. Ahalya did had the power of discrimination. She suspected the person in disguise as husband is Indra. yet she was pride of her beauty. Sage cursed both Indra and his wife. Not just his wife. Indra suffered and did repentence, penance to get rid of sins. Ahalya became a stone and she waited until Lord Sri Rama came and liberated. All her sins were washed away and she received a radiant body and Gautama accepted her back. This is the puranic story. Indra ahalyo jarah: has another philosophical meaning too. May be continuum or truth seeker may better explain that meaning
Fake_the_truth agrees that the stories of the Puranas are not true and are not historical facts and are fairy tales. Fake_the_truth agrees that they are for symbolic meaning purposes.
So we can all agree that stories from the Hindu Puranas are not historical truths and so are not defensible as truth. This is a welcome development.
So by extension these gods shiva, brahma, Vishnu, Ganpati are not true gods. They are false gods.
So now if they are false gods with animal heads etc , then why pray to them?
Why pray to the Hindu god Shiva penis and vagina? (Only Fake_the_truth and his cohorts knows the symbolic meaning of praying to penis and vagina).
Why pray to hindu god Agni ? (just because he is a fellatio partner of Shiva/)
Why does this deformed elephant (Ganpati) with human torso travel on a mouse? (What is the symbolic meaning Fake_the _truth can come up with?)
Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabaratha, Vedas, Upanishads and other Hindu scriptures document the Hindu gods (Brahma, shiva, Vishnu/Krishna, Indra, Agni, Kali etc criminal activities and actions which are against science, against logic, against morality (actions of rape, adultery, fornication, fellatio, incest, murder, robbery, gangrape etc) . There is no symbolic meaning for these criminal activities.
Either these hindu gods are criminals or they are false gods. (
Dr Ambedkar made 22 vows and declared that Hinduism is harmful for humanity and impedes the advancement and development of humanity because it is based on inequality
The first three of his vows are below
1. I shall have no faith in Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh nor shall I worship them.
2. I shall have no faith in Rama and Krishna who are believed to be incarnation of God nor shall I worship them.
3. I shall have no faith in ‘Gauri’, Ganapati and other gods and goddesses of Hindus nor shall I worship them.
These are few references (there are many references) of hindu gods doing unholy , criminal activities
“One day the sage Atri was performing tapas with his wife Anasuya. Brahma, Visnu, and Siva came and offered him a boon, but Atri remained silent, meditating. Then the three gods went to Anasuya. Siva had his linga in his hand, Visnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma was beside himself with desire, saying to Anasuya, ‘Make love with me or I will die.’ When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But they were overcome with delusion, and they raped her by force. Then she became angry and she cursed Siva to be worshipped as a linga, Brahma to be worshipped in the form of a head, and Visnu to be worshipped as feet, in order to ridicule them all, and she cursed them all to be reborn as her sons. Because of this, Siva was reborn as Durvasas.” –
Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78.
An apsaras is sent to seduce two demons, but instead the Hindu Gods become seduced by this nymph:
“Once the apsaras Tilottama was sent to seduce two demons from their tapas. While she danced before them, Siva and Indra wanted to see more of her, and for this purpose Siva became four-faced and Indra thousand-eyed.” –
Mahabharata I:203:15-26; cf. Skanda Purana 5:3:150:18, 6:153:2-27.
“Formerly the gods lusted for Gautama’s (Hindu Sage) wife and raped her, for their wits were destroyed by lust. Then they were terrified and went to the sage Durvasas [an incarnation of Siva], who said, ‘I will remove all your defilements with the Satarudriya Mantra [an ancient Saiva prayer].’ Then he gave them ashes which they smeared upon their bodies, and their sins were shaken off.” –
LORD INDRA RAPES GAUTAMA’S WIFE
“…. Indra raped Ahalya and was cursed by her husband, the sage Gautama, to lose all his prosperity ….” –
Brahmavaivarta Purana 4:47:11-45.
This message is for Ron_the_Christian_Moth**F**ker:
[All the Puranas and all Hindus tell this same story (of Shiva not knowing his own son and cutting of his head) and believe it has truth…]
THE WORD “PURANA” LITERALLY MEANS SOMETHING PRE-HISTORIC IN MATERIAL, WHERE PRE-HISTORIC HUMANS TRIED TO CONCEPTUALIZE MATERIAL WORLD IN VARIOUS ARTISTIC FORMS.
HUMANS APPRECIATE ARTS NOT BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE TRUTH OR FALSEHOODS, BUT FOR THEIR INTRINSIC INSPIRATIONS FOR THE BETTER OR FOR THE WORSE.
IF I APPRECIATE GOD SHIVA REPLACING THE HUMAN HEAD WITH THE WHITE ELEPHANT’S HEAD, I FIND NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
BECAUSE, BASED ON THE PURANIC STORY, LORD GANESHA WAS NOT BORN IN THE WAY NORMAL BIOLOGICAL HUMANS ARE BORN.
“So, taking the turmeric paste (for bathing) from Her body (some say it was sandalwood paste) and mixing it and fashioning it into Her son, PARVATI BREATHED LIFE INTO IT and Parvati created Ganesha who manifested from this form, declaring Him to be Her own loyal Son.”
IF I CAN GIVE BIRTH TO SOMEONE JUST BY BREATHING LIFE INTO IT, WHO WILL STOP ME FROM CHANGING THE HEAD OF THE NEW-BORN IN ANY WAY I LIKE???
AND, IF I TOTALLY PROSTRATE IN PRONE POSITION BEFORE ANY STATUE OR PAINTING OF LORD GANESHA AND I GET THE INSPIRATION WITHIN MYSELF FOR A BETTER FUTURE OR A BETTER LIFE OR A BETTER LUCK IN MY ALL ENDEAVORS, WHY WOULDN’T I DO THAT???
I AM THE MASTER OF MY OWN DESTINY; BECAUSE, SANATANA DHARMA TEACHES ME THAT, TAT TVAM ASI (I.E., THOU ART THAT).
[Fake the truth has come with a new defense saying that it is fairy tale or myth.]
CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER LIKE YOURSELF DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS “DEFENSE” AND WHAT IS “TELLING THE PLAIN TRUTH”.
[So now Fake the truth also agrees that this elephant with a human torso (i.e. Ganpati) is a fairy tale God.]
I TOLD YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER BEFORE THAT, DO NEVER TWIST WHAT I WRITE.
I WROTE, THE “PURANIC” DESCRIPTIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED FAIRY TALES IF INTERPRETED WITH MODERN SCIENCE.
BUT, IF A HUMAN IS INSPIRED TO DO GOOD IN HIS/HER OWN LIFE FROM ANY PURANIC GOD AND GODDESS, THAT’S HIS/HER CHOICE AND WILL.
AND, AGAIN IF A “HINDU” DECIDES THAT PURANIC GODS AND GODDESSES ARE NOT FOR HIM/HER BECAUSE IN HIS/HER FAVORITE MODERN SCIENCE PURANIC GODS AND GODDESSES APPEAR FAIRY TALE CHARACTERS, THEN HE/SHE CAN PURSUE OTHER SPIRITUAL PATHS WITHIN “HINDUISM”.
A PERSON CAN CALL HIM/HERSELF “HINDU” AND PRACTICE WITHIN SANTANA DHARMA WITHOUT EVEN BELIEVING IN THE EXISTENCE OF ANY SUPERNATURAL GOD OR GODDESS.
[So as Dr. Ambedkar says that you should not worship this false God (Ganpati).]
WHY WOULD I TAKE AN ORDER FROM BHIMRAO RAMJI AMBEDKAR???
DOES BHIMRAO RAMJI AMBEDKAR PAY MY MONTHLY BILLS?
WAS BHIMRAO RAMJI AMBEDKAR GOD?
I DO NOT AND CANNOT OBEY A TOTALLY UNGRATEFUL CREATURE LIKE BHIMRAO RAMJI AMBEDKAR, BECAUSE, INDIAN “HINDUS” DO NOT OWE BHIMRAO RAMJI AMBEDKAR ANYTHING.
BUT, BHIMRAO RAMJI AMBEDKAR OWES INDIAN “HINDUS” FOR EVERYTHING THAT BHIMRAO RAMJI AMBEDKAR WAS ABLE TO ACHIEVE IN HIS SHORT LIFE-SPAN.
[And Dr Ambedkar is correct because either it (Ganpati) is fairy tale God i.e. false God or an elephant giving a calf with a birth defect or a case of trans-humanism (product of bestiality).]
PLEASE READ YOUR OWN SENTENCE AGAIN, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER.
WHERE IS THE CALF COMING INTO LORD GANESHA’S (A WHITE ELEPHANT’S) HEAD???
ARE YOU READING YOUR “SUPER HOLY” MIDDLE-EASTERN BIBLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW FOR “HINDU” PURANIC GODS AND GODDESSES NOW???
IN PURANIC (I.E., PRE-HISTORIC) TIMES, HUMANS — IN THE PATH OF BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS — DID NOT TOTALLY ISOLATE THEMSELVES FROM NATURE AND OTHER CREATURES OF NATURE.
PLUS, PURANIC STORIES ARE FULL OF SYMBOLISMS.
TO THIS DAY, INDIAN “HINDUS” REVERE AND DO NOT KILL ELEPHANTS AND COWS AS GOD’S GREAT CREATIONS ON EARTH.
[Anyways many of these Hindus fanatics like (Fake the truth) come up with stories of their ancient (read fake and non-existent) technology…]
WHICH SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGY ARE YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER REFERRING TO THAT I WROTE HERE ON THIS WEBSITE?
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER IS JUST MAKING UP WORDS THAT I DID NOT WRITE.
[..where they had intercontinental ballistic arrows with nuclear warheads (Brahmastra),…]
WHERE DID I EXACTLY WRITE INTER-CONTINENTAL BALLISTIC WEAPON(S) ON THIS WEBSITE???
STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER.
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER IS A SON A CHRISTIAN WHORE EXACTLY LIKE THE DEAD NAZARINE JEW — A SON OF JEWISH WHORE — THAT YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER WORSHIP.
[(I just wonder with this technology why did they not rule the earth),…]
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PRE-HISTORIC TIME???
[The Maurya Empire do not count even among the top ten empires in world history…]
WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY PROVE?
[Hindus lost because they were actually having inferior war technology…]
“HINDUS” LOST BECAUSE “HINDUS” DID NOT HAVE GUNS AND BULLETS TO FIGHT BRITISH CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KERS WHO BROUGHT GUNS AND BULLETS.
I WROTE THAT HISTORICAL TRUTH MANY MANY TIMES ALREADY.
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER DO KEEP REPEATING THE SAME THING AGAIN AND AGAIN HERE.
[(The Hindus used inferior weapons like mace and tridents against their opponents (British who had TNT, dynamite, guns and of course prayed to the God of the Bible before commencement of hostilities just like Israel does today (Psalm 91))]
INDIAN GOVT. HAS SOPHISTICATED MISSILE TECHNOLOGY TODAY INCLUDING INTER-CONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES.
IRANIANS AND KOREANS HAVE SOPHISTICATED MISSILES TOO TO REACH EUROPE AND AMERICAN WEST COAST.
INDIAN “HINDUS” DO NOT WORSHIP YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST LIKE IRANIANS AND KOREANS DO NOT WORSHIP YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST AS WELL.
SO, HOW COME NON-BELIEVERS OF YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST TODAY ARE ABLE TO BUILD SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS???
[Hanuman (rhesus monkey) could carry a mountain and fly at an altitude of 10,000 feet over a distance of 1000 miles to deliver a medicinal herb. (Hindus like Fake the truth believe it is true.)]
NOW, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER IS IMPOSING YOUR DIMENSIONS OF 10,000 FEET ON “HINDU” PURANIC DEITIES WHEN THOSE PRE-HISTORIC ARTISTIC LITERARY DESCRIPTIONS WERE SILENT ABOUT ANY DETAILS.
MY WORSHIP OF LORD HANUMAN FOR BEING THE UTMOST DEVOTEE OF KING RAMA CHANDRA AND RANI SITA DEVI HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY SCIENTIFIC DIMENSIONS WHATSOEVER.
PLUS, OVER 80% OF ALL CLARIFYING RELIGIOUS REFERENCES WENT UP IN SMOKE DURING MEDIEVAL MUSLIMS’ WIDESCALE USE OF ARSON ON “HINDU” DWELLINGS AND “HINDU” ARCHIVES AND “HINDU” TEMPLES IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.
[This makes a monkey more powerful than Ram (who is God).]
NO, IT DOESN’T.
TO THE BEST OF MY UNDERSTANDING, “HINDUS” WORSHIP LORD HANUMAN AND RAMA CHANDRAJI MAHARAJ NOT BECAUSE OF WHO WAS MORE POWERFUL OR WHO WAS NOT.
RAJA RAMA CHANDRAJI’S BENEVOLENT CHARACTER OF SERVING HIS PEOPLE FIRST INSTEAD OF LOOKING AFTER HIS PERSONAL-HAPPINESS AND FAMILY-HAPPINESS FIRST IS WHAT MAKES KING RAMA CHANDRA A GREAT DEITY OF WORSHIP BY FAITHFUL “HINDUS”.
[Why did not this monkey fly and pick up Sita along with her house (it is certainly easier than lifting a mountain) and avoid war?]
SO, WHY DID NOT YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST RESCUE HIMSELF FROM HIS PERSECUTORS???
YOUR CHRISTIAN BIBLE IS FULL OF HISTORICAL $HIT.
[Why did this monkey marry a mermaid?]
DID YOU EVER SEE A MONKEY MARRYING A MERMAID OR ANOTHER MONKEY?
YOUR QUESTION IS ABSURD.
LITERARY AND ARTISTIC SYMBOLISM AS WELL AS ONE’S AFFECTION FOR HIS/HER BELOVED DEITY ALWAYS SURPASSES OTHERS’ WILD IMAGINATIONS!
[There is lot of fairy tales which fail scientific scrutiny in the Hindu Puranas and as you correctly mentioned Truth Seeker it is indefensible.]
I WAS NOT DEFENDING ANYTHING.
ARTISTIC SYMBOLISM IS NOT SUBJECT TO DEFENSE.
ARTISTIC AND RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISMS ARE FOR HUMAN APPRECIATIONS.
[Fake the truth is intelligent but since he is born and indoctrinated into this Hindu culture, he has a biased view and cannot see the obvious falsehoods and bull shit in the Hindu Puranas.]
SO, WHY WOULD YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER AT ALL EXPECT ME TO DO OTHERWISE?
I SEE A LOT OF FALSEHOODS AND PERVERSIONS AND DEBAUCHERY IN YOUR F**KING CHRISTIANITY.
WHY DON’T YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER STOP CONSTANTLY LYING AND STOP DEFENDING YOUR INDEFENSIBLE CHRISTIAN FAIRY TALES OF VIRGIN BIRTH OF YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST???
SANATANA DHARMA INSPIRES ME TO BE AND REMAIN A GREAT PERSON.
YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST — A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE — DOES NOT INSPIRE ME AT ALL.
YOUR CHRISTIAN FALSEHOODS $UCK AT THEIR CORE.
[I am sure Fake the truth will see the real truth in Christ if he sincerely searches the truth.]
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER IS NOBODY TO ADVISE ME THAT, AS I DID NOT ASK FOR YOUR RELIGIOUS ADVICE ANYWHERE.
I DO NOT SEARCH FOR GOD; GOD IS WITHIN MY BEING.
I EXIST BECAUSE OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD.
I DO NOT CONSIDER A SON OF JEWISH WHORE AN ETERNAL GOD.
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER DO WORSHIP A DEAD SON OF A JEWISH WHORE, BECAUSE YOU ARE A COCK$UCKER CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER.
This message if for Ron_the_Christian_Moth**F**ker:
[All the Puranas and all Hindus tell this same story (of Shiva not knowing his own son and cutting of his head) and believe it has truth…]
THE WORD “PURANA” LITERALLY MEANS SOMETHING PRE-HISTORIC IN MATERIAL, WHERE PRE-HISTORIC HUMANS TRIED TO CONCEPTUALIZE MATERIAL WORLD IN VARIOUS ARTISTIC FORMS.
HUMANS APPRECIATE ARTS NOT BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE TRUTH OR FALSEHOODS, BUT FOR THEIR INTRINSIC INSPIRATION FOR THE BETTER OR FOR THE WORSE.
IF I APPRECIATE GOD SHIVA REPLACING THE HUMAN HEAD WITH THE WHITE ELEPHANT’S HEAD, I FIND NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
AND, IF I TOTALLY PROSTRATE IN PRONE POSITION BEFORE ANY STATUE OR PAINTING OF LORD GANESHA AND I GET THE INSPIRATION WITHIN MYSELF FOR A BETTER FUTURE OR A BETTER LIFE OR A BETTER LUCK IN MY ALL ENDEAVORS, WHY WOULDN’T I DO THAT???
I AM THE MASTER OF MY OWN DESTINY; BECAUSE, SANATANA DHARMA TEACHES ME, TAT TVAM ASI (I.E., THOU ART THAT).
[Fake the truth has come with a new defense saying that it is fairy tale or myth.]
CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER LIKE YOURSELF DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS “DEFENSE” AND WHAT IS “TELLING THE PLAIN TRUTH”.
[So now Fake the truth also agrees that this elephant with a human torso (i.e. Ganpati) is a fairy tale God.]
I TOLD YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER BEFORE THAT DO NOT TWIST WHAT I WRITE.
I SAID, THE “PURANIC” DESCRIPTIONS ARE FAIRY TALE IF INTERPRETED WITH MODERN SCIENCE.
BUT, IF A HUMAN IS INSPIRED TO DO GOOD IN HIS/HER OWN LIFE FROM ANY PURANIC GOD AND GODDESS, THAT’S HIS/HER CHOICE AND WILL.
AND, AGAIN IF A “HINDU” DECIDES THAT PURANIC GODS AND GODDESSES ARE NOT FOR HIM/HER BECAUSE IN HIS/HER MODERN SCIENCE PURANIC GODS AND GODDESSES APPEAR FAIRY TALE CHARACTERS, THEN HE/SHE PURSUE OTHER SPIRITUAL PATHS WITHIN “HINDUISM”.
A PERSON CAN CALL HIM/HERSELF “HINDU” AND PRACTICE WITHIN SANTANA DHARMA WITHOUT EVEN BELIEVING IN THE EXISTENCE OF ANY SUPERNATURAL GOD OR GODDESS.
[So as Dr. Ambedkar says that you should not worship this false God (Ganpati).]
WHY WOULD TAKE AN ORDER FROM BHIMRAO RAMJI AMBEDKAR???
DOES HE PAY MY MONTHLY BILLS?
IS (OR WAS) HE GOD?
I DO NOT AND CANNOT OBEY A TOTALLY UNGRATEFUL CREATURE LIKE HIM, BECAUSE, INDIAN “HINDUS” DO NOT OWE HIM ANYTHING.
BUT, HE OWES INDIAN “HINDUS” FOR EVERYTHING THAT HE WAS ABLE TO ACHIEVE IN HIS SHORT LIFE-SPAN.
[And Dr Ambedkar is correct because either it (Ganpati) is fairy tale God i.e. false God or an elephant giving a calf with a birth defect or a case of trans-humanism (product of bestiality).]
PLEASE READ YOUR OWN SENTENCE AGAIN, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER.
WHERE IS THE CALF COMING INTO LORD GANESHA’S (A WHITE ELEPHANT’S) HEAD???
ARE YOU READING YOUR “SUPER HOLY” MIDDLE EASTERN BIBLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW FOR “HINDU” PURANIC GODS AND GODDESSES NOW???
IN PURANIC (I.E., PRE-HISTORIC) TIMES, HUMANS — IN THE PATH OF BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS — DID NOT TOTALLY ISOLATE THEMSELVES FROM NATURE AND OTHER CREATURES OF NATURE.
PLUS, PURANIC STORIES ARE FULL OF SYMBOLISMS.
[Anyways many of these Hindus fanatics like (Fake the truth) come up with stories of their ancient (read fake and non-existent) technology…]
WHICH SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGY ARE YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER REFERRING TO THAT I WROTE HERE ON THIS WEBSITE?
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER IS JUST MAKING UP WORDS THAT I DID NOT WRITE.
[..where they had intercontinental ballistic arrows with nuclear warheads (Brahmastra),…]
WHERE DID I EXACTLY WRITE INTER-CONTINENTAL BALLISTIC WEAPON(S) ON THIS WEBSITE???
STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER.
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER IS A SON A CHRISTIAN WHORE JUST LIKE THE DEAD NAZARINE JEW — A SON OF JEWISH WHORE — THAT YOU WORSHIP.
[(I just wonder with this technology why did they not rule the earth),…]
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PRE-HISTORIC TIME???
[The Maurya Empire do not count even among the top ten empires in world history…]
WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY PROVE?
[Hindus lost because they were actually having inferior war technology…]
“HINDUS” LOST BECAUSE “HINDUS” DID NOT HAVE GUNS AND BULLETS TO FIGHT BRITISH CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KERS WHO BROUGHT GUNS AND BULLETS.
I SAID THAT HISTORICAL TRUTH MANY MANY TIMES ALREADY.
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER DO KEEP REPEATING THE SAME THING AGAIN AND AGAIN HERE.
[(The Hindus used inferior weapons like mace and tridents against their opponents (British who had TNT, dynamite, guns and of course prayed to the God of the Bible before commencement of hostilities just like Israel does today (Psalm 91))]
INDIAN GOVT. HAS SOPHISTICATED MISSILE TECHNOLOGY TODAY INCLUDING INTER-CONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES.
IRANIANS AND KOREANS HAVE SOPHISTICATED MISSILES TOO TO REACH EUROPE AND AMERICAN WEST COAST.
INDIAN “HINDUS” DO NOT WORSHIP YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST LIKE IRANIANS AND KOREANS DO NOT WORSHIP YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST AS WELL.
SO, HOW COME NON-BELIEVERS OF YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST TODAY ARE ABLE TO BUILD SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS???
[Hanuman (rhesus monkey) could carry a mountain and fly at an altitude of 10,000 feet over a distance of 1000 miles to deliver a medicinal herb. (Hindus like Fake the truth believe it is true.)]
NOW, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER IS IMPOSING YOUR DIMENSIONS OF 10,000 FEET ON “HINDU” PURANIC DEITIES WHEN THOSE PRE-HISTORIC ARTISTIC LITERARY DESCRIPTIONS ARE SILENT ABOUT ANY DETAILS.
MY WORSHIP OF LORD HANUMAN FOR BEING THE UTMOST DEVOTEE OF KING RAMA CHANDRA AND RANI SITA DEVI HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY SCIENTIFIC DIMENSIONS WHATSOEVER.
[This makes a monkey more powerful than Ram (who is God).]
NO, IT DOESN’T.
TO THE BEST OF MY UNDERSTANDING, “HINDUS” WORSHIP LORD HANUMAN AND RAMA CHANDRAJI MAHARAJ NOT BECAUSE OF WHO WAS MORE POWERFUL OR WHO WAS NOT.
RAJA RAMA CHANDRAJI’S BENEVOLENT CHARACTER OF SERVING HIS PEOPLE INSTEAD OF LOOKING AFTER HIS PERSONAL-HAPPINESS AND FAMILY-HAPPINESS FIRST IS WHAT MAKES HIM A GREAT DEITY OF WORSHIP BY FAITHFUL “HINDUS”.
[Why did not this monkey fly and pick up Sita along with her house (it is certainly easier than lifting a mountain) and avoid war?]
SO, WHY DID NOT YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST RESCUE HIMSELF FROM HIS PERSECUTORS???
YOUR CHRISTIAN BIBLE IS FULL OF HISTORICAL $HIT.
[Why did this monkey marry a mermaid?]
DID YOU EVER SEE A MONKEY MARRYING A MERMAID OR ANOTHER MONKEY?
YOUR QUESTION IS ABSURD.
[There is lot of fairy tales which fail scientific scrutiny in the Hindu Puranas and as you correctly mentioned Truth Seeker it is indefensible.]
I WAS NOT DEFENDING ANYTHING.
ARTISTIC SYMBOLISM IS NOT SUBJECT TO DEFENSE.
ARTISTIC AND RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISMS ARE FOR HUMAN APPRECIATIONS.
[Fake the truth is intelligent but since he is born and indoctrinated into this Hindu culture, he has a biased view and cannot see the obvious falsehoods and bull shit in the Hindu Puranas.]
SO, WHY WOULD YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER AT ALL EXPECT ME TO DO OTHERWISE?
I SEE A LOT OF FALSEHOODS AND PERVERSIONS IN YOUR F**KING CHRISTIANITY.
WHY DON’T YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER STOP CONSTANTLY LYING IN ORDER TO DEFEND YOUR INDEFENSIBLE CHRISTIANISM???
SANATANA DHARMA INSPIRES ME TO BE AND REMAIN A GREAT PERSON.
YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST — A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE — DOES NOT INSPIRE ME AT ALL.
YOUR CHRISTIANITY $UCKS AT ITS CORE.
[I am sure Fake the truth will see the real truth in Christ if he sincerely searches the truth.]
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER IS NOBODY TO ADVISE ME THAT, AS I DID NOT ASK FOR YOUR RELIGIOUS ADVICE ANYWHERE.
I DO NOT CONSIDER A SON OF JEWISH WHORE AN ETERNAL GOD.
YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER DO WORSHIP A DEAD SON OF A JEWISH WHORE, BECAUSE YOU ARE A COCK$UCKER CHRISTIAN MOTHER F**KER.
TS says:
“Puran, Bible, Quran are false books.”
and
“These text were written by ignorant people.”
Assertions, evidence please!
For example according to the muslims the quran contains the words of allah himself.
BTW, we are off topic, let`s move the discussion, as Ali said, to the forum.
Puran, Bible, Quran are false books. These text were written by ignorant people.
Dear Truth Seeker,
All the Puranas and all Hindus tell this same story (of shiva not knowing his own son and cutting of his head) and believe it has truth
Fake the truth has come with a new defense saying that it is fairy tale or myth.
So now Fake the truth also agrees that this elephant with a human torso (i.e. Ganpati) is a fairy tale god.
So as Dr Ambedkar says that you should not worship this false god (Ganpati).
And Dr Ambedkar is correct because either it (Ganpati) is fairy tale god i.e. false god or an elephant giving a calf with a birth defect or a case of transhumanism (product of bestiality).
Anyways many of these Hindus fanatics like (Fake the truth) come up with stories of their ancient (read fake and non-existent) technology where they had intercontinental ballistic arrows with nuclear warheads (brahmastra), (I just wonder with this technology why did they not rule the earth),
The Maurya empire do not count even among the top ten empires in world history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires
Hindus lost because they were actually having inferior war technology (The Hindus used inferior weapons like mace and tridents against their opponents (British who had TNT, dynamite, guns and of course prayed to the God of the Bible before commencement of hostilities just like Israel does today (Psalm 91))
Hanuman (rhesus monkey) could carry a mountain and fly at an altitude of 10,000 feet over a distance of 1000 miles to deliver a medicinal herb. (Hindus like Fake the truth believe it is true.)
This makes a monkey more powerful than Ram (who is god).
Why did not this monkey fly and pick up Sita along with her house (it is certainly easier than lifting a mountain) and avoid war?
Why did this monkey marry a mermaid?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvannamaccha
There is lot of fairy tales which fail scientific scrutiny in the Hindu Puranas and as you correctly mentioned Truth Seeker it is indefensible.
Fake the truth is intelligent but since he is born and indoctrinated into this Hindu culture, he has a biased view and cannot see the obvious falsehoods and bull shit in the Hindu Puranas.
I am sure Fake the truth will see the real truth in Christ if he sincerely searches the truth.
This message is for screen-name Truth Seeker:
Please do not talk about matters that you do not know and you DO NOT have much appreciation for.
Christians love to talk about things of other people’s (i.e., non-believers of Christianism) religions, because Christians CANNOT defend their own Christianism when put into historic scrutiny.
I give you an example here:
LINK
https://stephenknapp.wordpress.com/
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“Parvati was angry at this slight, but even more than this, at the fact that she had no one as loyal to Herself as Nandi was to Shiva.
So, taking the turmeric paste (for bathing) from Her body (some say it was sandalwood paste) and mixing it and fashioning it into Her son, Parvati breathed life into it and Parvati created Ganesha who manifested from this form, declaring Him to be Her own loyal Son.”
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So, as any reader can realize, we are being told — from any scientific scrutiny — fairy tale story here since Lord Ganesha’s birth was unlike any of our known and experienced human birth processes.
Elsewhere in another post, I wrote about the meanings of “HINDU” “Purana”, “Puranic”, and “Smirities”; so, I am not wasting my time here in re-writing my old post.
If you are interested in learning “Hinduism”, stop discussing “Hindu” “Puranic” deities with Christians; rather just try to learn your own self.
“Atmanam Vidhi” is the great oracle of the “Hindu” Upanishad, which means, Know Thyself & Be Free.
@Ron
————shiva did not know who the toddler was, so this proves that shiva was NOT god.———–
True, I agree with you. I do not defend indefensible. Your analyses very true in your entire post related to Purans. This proves Purans are false book written by ignorant persons. It is misfortune of 90% Hindus take them seriously.
@Ali Sina/Ron
According to Sankhya and Yog Darshan
Truth may be realized only in life not after death. If you did not realize truth in your life then you have to come again in this world to realize the truth which is ultimate goal of soul. Job is unending until you realize the truth.
Note:
When I say truth I mean to God. Direct perception of God by soul. This perception happens only in state of Samadhi.
Why is shiva (hindu god) not “all knowing” as he did not know that small toddler not allowing to see mommy is his son?
shiva did not know who the toddler was, so this proves that shiva was NOT god.
Shiva killed the toddler and killed the elephant and then he replaced the elephants torso with a human torso. So shiva is accused of killing toddler and keeping elephant alive and doing a torso transplant so now we have a god who is elephant with 2 legs and 2 hands..
Why did Parvati try to get a child of her own ? (was it because as the below article says that shiva though reportedly had a massive penis was infact a hermaphrodite?
This purana says that Krishna never knew his wife was missing (Is this an all knowing god????)
Sri Ardhanarisvara
Siva’s Hermaphrodite Form
Sri Ardhanarisvara is perhaps the most popular and widely known hermaphrodite deity in Hinduism. One half of the deity is Siva (usually the right side, but not always), and the other half is his wife, goddess Parvati or Durga. Ardhanarisvara is literally split down the middle with one female breast, one male breast, etc. The male side is represented in masculine features while the female side is voluptuous and slender with one large hip. The clothing and ornaments on each side of the deity are also usually represented in male and female attire. The oldest-known statue of Ardhanarisvara is located in Mathura and dated to the first century A.D.
In the Brahmanda Purana (5.30) it is stated that Lord Siva assumed his hermaphrodite form of Sri Ardhanarisvara after duly worshiping his shakti through meditation and yoga. The Kurma Purana (1.11.3) relates how Siva’s original form of Rudra was also hermaphrodite. When Siva was generated from Lord Brahma’s anger at the beginning of creation, he appeared in a very fierce half-male, half-female form known as Rudra. Brahma requested Rudra to divide himself in two and thus he became Siva and Parvati. In Jayadeva Goswami’s twelfth-century text, the Sri Gita-govinda (3.11), Lord Krsna praises Siva’s form of Ardhanarisvara while experiencing separation from His beloved Radha, as follows: “Just see! Lord Siva lives happily with half of his body united with Parvati, whereas I am far from united with Radhika—I don’t even know where She is.”
Can it be possible that these stories are folklore myths passed down from generations and these are false gods?
[]”Mostly I have seen Hindu believers sharing their miraculous experience in all aspects. Christians do share miracles but mostly on curing diseases. I have not come across any Muslims sharing such experiences on their prayers getting answered.”[]
YOU DON’T SEE CHRISTIAN FAITH-HEALERS WORKING IN HOSPITALS FOR THE SAME REASON YOU DON’T SEE PSYCHICS WINNING THE LOTTERY!!!
@Ron- Lord Shiva grants life and if he wills take life. for all beings. Not just the elephant who lost it’s head. On Ganesha’s birth you have such questions but on Jesus’s birth- born to “virgin” Mary you have no doubt. There is a biweekly magazine in my local language. Every time they publish some articles on some temples or churches. Mostly I have seen Hindu believers sharing their miraculous experience in all aspects . Christians do share miracles but mostly on curing diseases. I have not come across any muslims sharing such experiences on their prayers getting answered.
Continuum- Neither you have read Shiva puran or brahmanda puran or me. Dharma shastha temples are there everywhere in Kerala 90% are Shastha and only 10% are Ayyappa temples. I do not claim ayyapaa to be 1500 old. I meant Shastha only. You have to visit Shastha temples and ask people associated with it. there are some stone inscriptions on kali dina (day) numbers as proof.
Lord Shastha is Bhoota natha meaning chief of Bhuta ganas. Sometimes this deity is mentioned as Shastha and sometimes Bhootnath. There is a famous Sanskrit prayer /sloka which clubs Shastha with bhuta ganas and sons.”Shastha Nandi cha Bhringi, Ganapati , Rishabha , Simha -kumbhodaradya”
[]Ron_the_Christian_M*****F***** says: My explanation ”This is all bull-shit”. [These] myths have been passed around by your parents and as Dr. Ambedkar and Dr. Kovoor [say] that they are illogical, immoral, unscientific, improbable.[]
Abraham Thomas Kovoor was a Christian, but proclaimed to be a “Scientific Rationalist” and NEVER — I mean, NEVER — wrote a single article against Christian falsehoods of past thousand years in his entire life anywhere.
But, Christian Abraham Thomas Kovoor found a lot of “Superstitions” amongst Indian “Hindus”.
So, Abraham Thomas Kovoor was somewhat similar to FaithFreedom.Org website’s Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina who finds lots of, lots of, incongruity in “Hinduism”, but considers Christian “Super Holy” Bible a “divine” piece of work!
Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar in 1956 A.D. converted to Buddhism, initiating mass conversions of Indian “Dalits” into Buddhism; however, conversion to Buddhism DID NOT — I repeat, DID NOT — change the financial as well as social lives of all those mass-converts as those low-lives still call themselves “Dalits”.
Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar was a completely disgraceful personality in the entire history “Hinduism” for his ungratefulness to Indian “Hindus” who LITERALLY paid for Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar’s higher educations and high living in North America and Europe!
There is a saying that, “If you’re a low-born, you think like a low-born.”
Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar was a perfect example of that saying throughout his 65 years of life on earth.
Those Indians who are born in “Hindu” families, but have done everything in their adult lives to denigrate “Hinduism” in writings and in speeches and in thought-processes, I say to them, Sanatana Dharma prevails where everything else fails.
Over 10,000 years of history is my guide and my influence here.
If a “Hindu” shows and lives with “Superstitious” mindset and personality, that “Hindu” one day dies with them, because another “Hindu” will have NO reason and NO purpose in emulating the so-called “Superstitious” mindset and personality of another creature.
Sanatana Dharma does not advocate for anyone to be a total stupid and to disregard sthan, kal and patra (i.e., place, time and person) when religious as well as practical, earthly matters are decided.
Not quite surprisingly, those Indians who are born in “Hindu” families, but have done everything in their adult lives to find faults with “Hinduism” in writings and in speeches and in thought-processes, DO NOT hesitate to praise Middle-Eastern Semitic, Christian, and Islamic lifestyles as very scientific and modern!
And, as I always say, if all financially downtrodden Indian “Hindus” convert themselves overnight to 2000 years old Christian falsehoods and Christian debauchery and Christian aggressions, those financially downtrodden Indian “Hindus” will not find and will not see their financial statuses changed much better than where they are now.
Ron Says:
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Why is shiva (hindu god) not “all knowing” as he did not know that small toddler not allowing to see mommy is his son?
Was the head of an earthly elephant grafted upon Ganpati alais Ganesha?
Why could not the god Shiva who is not the biological father of Ganesh fix the same severed head?
Why could he not find the head which he severed?
Why did he have to do such a brutal killing of a kid that too own son}?
Why did shiva have to use “shock and awe” against a kid (that too own son)?
Why did he though being god not know it was his wife’s kid?
Did Parvati sleep with somebody (god or demon) to get this kid?
Why did the elephant have to pay a price for shiva god’s ignorance, brutal force?
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Because this story in from Tamas Purana they are not taken literally..Most stories are symbolic of certain inner meaning. The way Ganesha got certain shape of head is described in mythological terms and is NOT taken as literal even among learned Hindus. It is known that the elements out of which the bodies of Vedic gods and that of human beings are very very different. This is common knowledge in Vedic circles. The stories are myths only to introduce worship of certain Vedic gods in certain ways. Here the important part is Ganesha has a head the shape of an elephant (just like your angels with head of an ox, lion, etc.). There is an inner teaching here regarding the immanent Form of Vedic God within Ganesha.
Ron Says:
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How can the sun (Surya) be a god?
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Because these names refer to the controller of certain elements by the name in the world. For example, Agni does not refer to the fire element, but the controller of that element. Similarly, Surya is the controller of Sun and dwells within Sun taking certain form. Simultaneously, Surya is also the controller of vision in every living being and dwells in the organ eyes of every living being. What is found in the Universe outside, is also present inside our bodies. This way there is a connection between world outside and inside us.
Ron Says:
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My explanation” This is all bull shit” This myths have been passed around by your parents and as Dr Ambedkar and Dr Kovoor says that they are illogical, immoral, unscientific, improbable.
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Ron, you have a classic case of “idiot syndrome”…. Who is this Kovoor idiot? nobody knows him…he is just as famous and an idiot as you are…We do not bother… Second, Ambedkar is a another idiot born to some outcaste barbaric tribal race…why would I bother with such low borns as yourself nborn to a prostitute race?
I am just wondering continuum says
//The stories of Ganesha are NOT to be thought in human terms. The body of Ganesha is NOT that of a human being. They are made of different material. I showed you the link from Mahabharatha, where Lord Surya’s body is made of Tejas (fire to be approximate). Vedic gods can take any Form. THE BODY OF VEDIC GODS ARE NOT MADE OF HUMAN BODY…THEY ARE MORE SUBTLE ELEMENTS OF NATURE//
Why is shiva (hindu god) not “all knowing” as he did not know that small toddler not allowing to see mommy is his son?
Was the head of an earthly elephant grafted upon Ganpati alais Ganesha?
Why could not the god Shiva who is not the biological father of Ganesh fix the same severed head?
Why could he not find the head which he severed?
Why did he have to do such a brutal killing of a kid that too own son}?
Why did shiva have to use “shock and awe” against a kid (that too own son)?
Why did he though being god not know it was his wife’s kid?
Did Parvati sleep with somebody (god or demon) to get this kid?
Why did the elephant have to pay a price for shiva god’s ignorance, brutal force?
How can the sun (Surya) be a god?
My explanation” This is all bull shit” This myths have been passed around by your parents and as Dr Ambedkar and Dr Kovoor says that they are illogical, immoral, unscientific, improbable.
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Shastha worship is atleast 1500 years old in kerala . There are proofs. Not 17th century invention .Btw Ayyappa is the incarnation of Shahstha.
This story is mentioned in brahmanda puran :-
http://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/10661/why-and-how-did-lord-shiva-fall-in-love-with-mohini
One person who read actual shiva puran in Sanskrit told me that the story is available in Maha Shiva puran too.
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Shastha or Ayyappa is modern invention. Exactly what evidence is there for Ayyappa being 1500 years old?
Second, People make wild claims in internet that stories are found in Brahmanda Purana, Shiva Purana etc. BUT NOTICE THERE IS NO PROPER REFERENCE GIVEN HERE AT ALL. THIS SHOWS THAT IT IS ENTIRELY MADE UP LIES. Can you show one place where Adi Shankara mentions about hits deity in any of his well known works?
@continuum,
Shastha worship is atleast 1500 years old in kerala . There are proofs. Not 17th century invention .Btw Ayyappa is the incarnation of Shahstha.
This story is mentioned in brahmanda puran :-
http://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/10661/why-and-how-did-lord-shiva-fall-in-love-with-mohini
One person who read actual shiva puran in Sanskrit told me that the story is available in Maha Shiva puran too.
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Face the truth and why/continuum will give you lots of bull shit explanations to debunk or justify, but you have to use your brains and intelligence, even if it means questioning and going against the family indoctrinated narrative and rationale.
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Family indoctrinated narrative?????
DO you have any brain Ron? All your so called allegations were proved with proper references that they are false. You call my explanations as bull shit, while you do NOT even understand what the Hindu scriptural references talk about..
and yet you believe in a BULL SHIT that your dmonic jeebus was born through adultery… You also believe in BULL SHIT explanation that suicidal ritual sacrifice of jeebus leads to forgiveness of sins of entire world and you call my explanation as BULL SHIT…
Ron, you are FULL of BULL SHIT…
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Choose the version of Ramayana and Mahabarata and any other Hindu Scripture and you will see and we will show the conflicts, immorality, illogics, crimes of these false god-heroes Rama, Hanuman, Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma, Indra, Agni, Kali etc.
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YOU have NOT shown anything to start with moron Ron…..ALL YOU HAVE SHOWN HERE IS YOU QUOTE SLYLY HALF-TRUTHS AND HALF-LIES. The case of Indra and Vapushtama for example is already shown as PURE HALF-LIES WHERE YOU QUOTED ONLY HALF-TRUTH…WHILE LEAVING THE FULL PICTURE YOU PRESENTED INDRA IN NEGATIVE LIGHT. The truth is Indra did NOT do any of the things you mentioned is clear from the same reference you provided.
ITS CLEAR RON THE MORON, WHO IS FULL OF BULL SHIT.
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A child born with an elephant head is a deformity. Logic says that the head (brain) is the source of thinking and controls other parts of the body so Ganpati is more of an Elephant with a human torso.
One hindu told me that it was the first head transplant (story of Ganpati) in the world!!
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UTTER STUPIDITY ON YOUR PART RON…
If this is so, then so is the vision of Ezekiel, where your angels had legs of calf, four heads with head of Ox, lion, bird etc..
15 And I saw the living beings, and behold, one wheel [was] on the ground beside the living beings for its four faces.
Rashi’s commentary:
for its four faces: of each living being, or the wheel had four faces. Our Rabbis said (Chag. 13b): “This is Sandalphon [the angel], who stands on the ground yet whose head reaches up among the living beings.”
If that is so RON, why do you believe in creatures with four animal and bird heads, legs of a calf? By your argument, this is worse DEFORMITY…
CLEARLY RASHI SHOWS THAT BIBLICAL DEMON ANGELS HAVE LEGS OF CALF, FOUR FACES, ANIMAL FACES OF OX, LION AND BIRD FACE OF EAGLE…THIS DEMON ANGELS ARE CALLED AS Sandalphon AS PER RASHI…
Tell me ron, did your bastard jeebus come through the vagina of adulterous mary during birth with the fluids of mary’s vagina in his mouth? You WHO BELIEVES THAT ALMIGHTY god IS BORN THIS WAY IS WORSE STUPIDITY.
The stories of Ganesha are NOT to be thought in human terms. The body of Ganesha is NOT that of a human being. They are made of different material. I showed you the link from Mahabharatha, where Lord Surya’s body is made of Tejas (fire to be approximate). Vedic gods can take any Form. THE BODY OF VEDIC GODS ARE NOT MADE OF HUMAN BODY…THEY ARE MORE SUBTLE ELEMENTS OF NATURE.
Vijay Says
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AH , Hindu purana text says that Lord Vishnu incarnated as a woman Mohini and Shiva married Mohini . Their child was Lord Shastha/ Dharmashastha.. No sex is described in purana in detail
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Exactly which Purana describes this Vijay? There is NOT a single Purana which describes this nonsense. You are shooting your mouth without any real substance. There is no mention of this “deity” anywhere in any Hindu scripture. It is created by Keralites like you. This is why you find this deity worshiped only in Kerala extensively. Why is there not one single mention of this deity before 17th century? Do you find any mention in North India? NO…This is all modern invetion Vijay. I know you are from Kerala. The story is nonsense on various levels.
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The Purushamedha or Human sacrifice was also practiced in Hinduism, and there are proof of a human being sacrificed. Purushamedha (or, ‘Naramedha’, literally translated, “human sacrifice”) is a Vedic yajna (ritual) described in the Yajurveda (VS 30–31). The verse describes people from all classes and of all descriptions tied to the stake and offered to Prajapati.
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THIS IS ONLY SYMBOLIC OFFERING and not a real human sacrifice.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbr/sbe44/sbe44111.htm
13. Then a voice said to him, ‘Purusha, do not consummate (these human victims 1): if thou wert to consummate them, man (purusha) would eat man.’ Accordingly, as soon as fire had been carried round them, he set them free, and offered oblations to the same divinities 2, and thereby gratified those divinities, and, thus gratified, they, gratified him with all objects of desire.
410:2 ‘A bodiless voice,’ comm.; cf. XI, 4, 2, 16 where likewise ‘an invisible voice’ is introduced censuring the priest who burns the oblations. Perhaps, however, Vâk may be intended from whom Pragâpati, in the beginning, produced the waters;
Clearly, your claim that Purushamedha requires human sacrifice is clearly refuted here…
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One can find a detailed description of one such human sacrifice and cannibalism in The Aitareya Brahmana, which tells the story of a sacrifice carried out by King Harischandra. The childless king asked Varuna to provide him with a son, and in return, Varuna asks him to sacrifice the child to him. Harischandra delays the performance of the sacrifice and allows his son, named Rohita, to grow older. Eventually, Rohita wanders into the forest to find a substitute for himself. He comes across a poor Brahmin named Ajigarta, who sells his son Sunahsepa to him. Sunahsepa is bound to the stake,
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The story of Harishchandra, Rohita and Sunashepa Rishi is completely different. The story talks about testing times for Harishchandra and Sunashepha rishi. Here Vedic gods brought the best of both the characters here. NOTICE that in this story, how the same Vedic gods teach Sunashepa Rishi secret mantras to relieve himself from the predicament of being a sacrifice. If Vedic gods required human sacrifice here, they would have simply taken Sunashepa Rishi as a human sacrifice, but created situations just to bring out the greatness of Sunshepha rishi in front of all the great sages. Here the Vedic Rishi Sunashepa cirectly observes the Vedic mantras through which he praises Vedic gods, who in turn release him. The story is NOT about human sacrifice, but about greatness of Rishis and power of Vedic mantras which relieves a person from any bad situation.
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Incest is commonly mentioned in ancient HIndu texts.
The daughter of one sage Vasishta believed him to be her husband and therefore used to have sex with him.
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Exactly where is this nonsense Ron….Give me the link properly? Do not make idiotic false claims.
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In another story, God Indra had sex with his great grandson’s wife Vapushtma. Other “sages” even married their own daughter.
The Harivamsa Purana says,
”After the passage of some time, king Janamejaya, who offers plenty of tributes (in sacrifices) observed the horse sacrifice as ordained. Devi Vapushtama, the daughter of the king of Kashi, went and slept with the slain horse, according to the ritual as prescribed. Seeing the queen with beautiful limbs, Vsava (Indra) desired her. Entering the body of the dead horse, Indra had intercourse with the queen.”- Harivamsa Purana, Bhavishya Parva 3.5.11-13, Tr. A. Purushothaman and A. Harindranath.
[ http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/bhavishyaparva/hv_3_005.html ]
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Thank you for providing the link Ron…Lets see what the link in reality says..
O king! Due to the results of the sacrifice (which you are going to get on its completion), shakra (indra) is afraid of you O lord! That is why shakra wrecked your sacrifice.
mAyaiShA vAsaveneha prayuktA vighnamichChatA |
**This is an illusion shown by vAsava (indra)**, desiring to prevent your sacrifice
bibheti ha sadA tvatto brAhmaNebhyo.api vAsavaH |
ekena vai tadubhayaM tIrNaM shakreNa mAyayA ||3-5-32
vAsava (indra) was always afraid of you and the best of brahmaNa-s. shakra (indra) conquered both (fears) **with one act of illusion.**
HERE INDRA MERELY CREATED AN ILLUSION IN JANAMEJAYA THAT THE HORSE HAD SEX WITH VAPUSHTAMA, JANAMEJAYA’S WIFE….
Ron, you by quoting THESE verses from Harivamsha (I was expecting you will do it) you have unwittingly proved that no sexual intercourse with horse takes place in this ritual.
Notice and read the entire story Ron. Here, Janamejaya, the person performing the SACRIFICE, ordered his wife to sleep near the horse (NO SEX HERE) as required by the ritual. However, then Indra created an illusion to Janmejaya as though he had sex with his wife by entering into the horse. Janamejaya got extremely angry at this. NOTICE, JANAMEJAYA THE PERFORMER OF HORSE SACRIFICE GOT ANGRY. why? If sexual intercourse with horse is prescribed by Vedic texts, why did Janamejya get angry? This itself shows that the claims of sexual congress with horse is a LIE. The VEDIC TEXTS are highly misinterpreted.
Ron Says:
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Even in the Rig Veda, the sexual converse between Brother and Sister Yam and Yami is mentioned, Yami expressing her desire to unite with her own Brother hinting that sexual relationship between Brothers and Sisters were not uncommon.
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THIS IS ANOTHER FALSE CLAIM…..Here in Rgvedic verses, Yama is telling his sister, how low man will descend in future so much so that brother and sister will have sex. Yama is teaching Yami his sister, how sinfu is this kind of relationship. The fools who translate misinterpreted as though Yami was asking Yama as husband.
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I know Vedas say Indra as sarveshwara and supreme Lord. in Chamakam which is from Taithireeya Samhita of Krishna Yajur Veda, there is an anuvaka which says Agnischama Indraschame, Vishnuschama Indraschame etc. All knows Chamakam was hymns praising Lord SHiva. So here Indra denotes Shiva.In Vedas,Indra word used to denote God,Vishnu,Shiva and notnecessarily demigod Indra mentioned in puranas.
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Vijay, you do not understand anything what I have said still….Demi-god means somebody born to a god and a human being. Indra is NOT a demigod, he is a Vedic god.
Second, every word used in Vedas belongs to Supreme Vedic God.
Indra is called as killer of Vritrasura all over Rgveda. The story specifically refers to Indra the Vedic god.
Every Vedic god is said to be controller of certain tatva, various indriyas and manas. Indra is controller of manas, manas-abhmani. SO is Lord Shiva as well. Please learn more before commenting. The story of Ahalya cannot be understood correctly, if you do not even know what are tatvabhimani devatas and their bahu-amsha (multi-locality) nature. So, I tell you to learn correctly before commenting without understanding nature of Vedic gods.
@Ron,
Thanks. Every religion has myths and beliefs. Even islam which boasts that they do not have any mythical stories and superstitions have it. Ali Sina as far as I know consider all religions to be man made. I believe he has respect for the teachings of Jesus and argues that his teachings has love and service embedded in it.
The core of Hinduism is concept of soul, salvation ,killing desire etc . It’s the roots that matters , not the branches. So lets not attack the branches and stop mud sliding each other.
Ali Sina has asked us to refrain from arguing in another article’s post. Let’s respect his views.
Thanks Vijay for your cool tone and your readiness for a dialogue.
Sri Sri Ravi Sankar a Hindu guru is the one giving Shiva screwing Vishnu a homosexual tone. That is his tweet. Plus, you can also see his facebook.
I don’t have access to his twitter handle and so have not made that up, plus his statement is echoed in his facebook posts declaring that Ayappa was born out of a homosexual relationship.
I was brought up secular and so never knew more than a few stories about Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism and I always believed religion was the opium of the Masses as Marx said and the clergy across all religions are money making scamsters. Though I never was an atheist because I believed that for such a wide variety of life and nature creations and the sustaining of life on this planet there must be a designer (God)
Its only when in my business life where in I had to travel, that I suddenly started bumping into Christians overseas who were mainly new converts in many non-Christian countries that changed me. They were converting not for money but out of personal conviction even though they could be jailed, killed, persecuted, tortured etc. anytime by the state. Many of them already were persecuted, tortured by non-Christians vigilantes who hated Christ and Christianity.
Moreover, some of them were ostracized by their own relatives and friends. They told me of their encounters with Jesus and testimonies of how they were saved which I vetted with due diligence.
I went for their prayer meetings, some of which were secret and dangerous in these countries, and I considered them as foolish. Some of them were initially Christ-haters or staunch non-believers but when touched by the Holy Spirit, they eventually accepted Christ.
I believe that Lord Jesus has a calling on many and a few are chosen like Paul (who used to initially jail Christians and abetted in the killings of Christians) who wrote the epistles.
I will not be surprised if I find brother “Face the truth” one day becoming a Christian and preaching boldly the Gospel and others who will be opposing him. I know that he will burst out with the choicest of expletives but we should know that God can change anybody, even the vilest of haters.
Please read the story of Niladri Kanhar in the next post and may you be blessed and touched by Christ even as you earnestly search for the truth, for the truth in Christ will set you free.
Ron, Do not teach me the Vedic practices, Don’t assume no one today know about Vedic practices. I follow Krishna yajur veda and I am familiar with all grihya sutra, Srauta rituals. At least to the level of arguing with you 🙂
There is no such practice of sleeping with horses.
Real meaning of yajur veda lines you quoted.
Yajurveda 23.19: O master of all people, we submit ourselves to be guided by you alone. O the most loved one among all loved ones, we submit ourselves to be guided by you alone. O provider of knowledge and prosperity, we submit ourselves to be guided by you alone. May I be able the understand, with your blessings, the Nature that has produced my own body and world, and is controlled by you alone.
AH , Hindu purana text says that Lord Vishnu incarnated as a woman Mohini and Shiva married Mohini . Their child was Lord Shastha/ Dharmashastha.. No sex is described in purana in detail
Now Ron interprets it as man- man homo relations. Some Hindus take literal meaning . Some say hetero sex has happened although puranas did not mention it. Some say Lord Shahstha came out of magic or these are just dramas of Lord (lilas or divine plays). May be like virgin Mary’s case.
Some Hindus take puranas as literal history and some only takes the symbolic meaning of the stories in puranas. But both are Hindus and we do not fight / kill each other like muslims.
Btw what Ron has to say about biblical myths of Adam, Noah, Moses separating seas, Jonah, etc etc.?
It is mentioned in Shukla Yajur Veda,
Yajur Veda 23.19-21
“All wife of the host reciting three mantras go round the horse. While praying, they say: ‘O horse, you are, protector of the community on the basis of good qualities, you are, protector or treasure of happiness. O horse, you become my husband’. After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: ‘O Horse, I extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception. The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu(priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: “This horse may release semen in me. Then the host, while praying to the horse says: “O horse, please throw semen on the upper part of the anus of my wife. Expand your penis and insert it in the vagina because after insertion, this penis makes women happy and lively.”
The Harivamsa Purana says,
”After the passage of some time, king Janamejaya, who offers plenty of tributes (in sacrifices) observed the horse sacrifice as ordained. Devi Vapushtama, the daughter of the king of Kashi, went and slept with the slain horse, according to the ritual as prescribed. Seeing the queen with beautiful limbs, Vsava (Indra) desired her. Entering the body of the dead horse, Indra had intercourse with the queen.”- Harivamsa Purana, Bhavishya Parva 3.5.11-13, Tr. A. Purushothaman and A. Harindranath.
[ http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/bhavishyaparva/hv_3_005.html ]
These verses are too vulgar to comment. My question is if horse sacrifice (Ashvamedha Yajna) does not include copulation with the horse, then why did Indra entered the body of the horse when he could have done it with his own body? As copulation with dead horse is part of the ritual, Indra thought that no one will come to know if he enters the body of the dead horse and copulates with the queen. This verse clearly shows that Ashvamedha does include copulation with the dead horse this is why the Vedic god Indra who couldn’t resist his lust entered the body of the horse and successfully copulated with the queen and no one stopped it as copulation is part of the ritual where the Queen sleeps naked with the horse, they both are covered up with a cloth and she places the Penis in her private part. Further the Sutras also mentions Chief Queen’s copulation with the dead horse.
It is mentioned in Apastamba Srauta Sutra 20.17.12-18 that the Chief Queen recites some Slokas (mentioned in Yajurved) and then all the wives of the king circumambulates the horse, fan it, tie their hairs on the right side of their head. Ramayana tells us that queen Kaushalya the mother of Hindu god Ram had spent a night with the horse.
Valmiki Ramayan, Bala Kanda 1.14.33-35
”With great delight coming on her Queen Kausalya reverently made circumambulations to the horse, and symbolically killed the horse with three knives. Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly resided one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. Thus, the officiating priests of the ritual, namely hota, adhwaryu and udgaata have received in their hand the Crowned Queen, the neglected wife, and a concubine of the king, next as a symbolic donation in the ritual by the performer, the king.”
Link:- http://valmikiramayan.net/utf8/baala/sarga14/bala_14_frame.htm
The Purushamedha or Human sacrifice was also practiced in Hinduism, and there are proof of a human being sacrificed. Purushamedha (or, ‘Naramedha’, literally translated, “human sacrifice”) is a Vedic yajna (ritual) described in the Yajurveda (VS 30–31). The verse describes people from all classes and of all descriptions tied to the stake and offered to Prajapati.
However, in a late Vedic Brahmana text, the Vadhula Anvakhyana 4.108, actual human sacrifice and even ritual anthropophagy is attested: “one formerly indeed offered a man as victim for Prajāpati,” for example Karṇājāya. “Dhārtakratava Jātūkarṇi did not wish to eat of the ida portion of the offered person; the gods therefore exchanged man as a sacrificial animal with a horse.” References to anthropophagy are also found in Taittiriya 7.2.10 and Katha Samhita 34.11.
One can find a detailed description of one such human sacrifice and cannibalism in The Aitareya Brahmana, which tells the story of a sacrifice carried out by King Harischandra. The childless king asked Varuna to provide him with a son, and in return, Varuna asks him to sacrifice the child to him. Harischandra delays the performance of the sacrifice and allows his son, named Rohita, to grow older. Eventually, Rohita wanders into the forest to find a substitute for himself. He comes across a poor Brahmin named Ajigarta, who sells his son Sunahsepa to him. Sunahsepa is bound to the stake, but he frees himself by reciting some mantras that were taught to him by Vishvamitra. This story is reproduced in the Bhagavata Purana. One can find a detailed deccription in Srimad Bhagavatam, canto 9, chapter 7.
Link:- http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/canto9/chapter7.html
Although most Hindus would deny the concept of Purushamedha or the Human sacrifice, like they do for cattle or cow sacrifice. But the truth is that the Aghori’s, the followers of Shiva; and the followers of Kali do practice the rituals involving human sacrifice as well as cannibalism.
Why cannibalism???
Why not…….! Its mentioned in the Laws of Manu to consume meat of the sacrificed and has been considered as a praiseworthy and royal practice.
Manu Smriti: Chapter 5: Verse 31-32
“31.’The consumption of meat (is befitting) for sacrifices,’ that is declared to be a rule made by the gods; but to persist (in using it) on other (occasions) is said to be a proceeding worthy of Rakshasas.
32. He who eats meat, when he honors the gods and manes, commits no sin, whether he has bought it, or himself has killed (the animal), or has received it as a present from others.”
Since Hindu claim there religion to be the one oldest of all religion and that it started as humanity itself started, we find that it was not but Hinduism that gave idea and started the practice of cannibalism.
So the conclusion is, we started to dig the roots of meat eating in Hinduism and discovered the seed of cannibalism. This is the true face of Hinduism which everybody must be aware of.
Ron,
More lies from you? I searched the link you provided:-
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gUJ6112aGZQC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
It only deals with kamasutra book which is not a scripture of Hindus. any book written in ancient india in Sanskrit cannot be Hindu book
You said incest is described in Puranas. On the contrary incest / lust is described as some thing very bad which prevents one from attaining salvation. it is a powerful felling for all beings but only those who control it can attain salvation . Do not comment without reading any Hindu scriptures.
Hindu god Shiva eaten by a demon???
Hindu mythology is full of bull shit stories.
Gajamukhasura
Yet another tale tells of how Ganesha got his elephant head. There was a demon named Gajamukhasura who was born with the head of an elephant and the body of an Asura. Gajamukhasura lived his life as an ascetic and prayed to lord Shiva. For years he followed this rigorous practice till Shiva finally appeared before him and promised to grant him anything he might wish. Gajamukhasura immediately asked the great lord Shiva to grant him the boon of invincibility and that no celestial, human or animal being may kill him. Furthermore, he asked to be blessed with a boon such that no weapon of any kind may manage to kill him. Shiva granted him both these boons. But this was not enough for Gajamukhasura. For he still had one entity that could defeat him- Shiva himself. To remedy this situation Gajamukhasura continued to live his life as an ascetic and performed much more severe penance in the honour of the Mighty Lord. Much like the last time, Shiva appeared before him and offered to grant him a boon. This time Gajamukhasura asked Lord Shiva to reside in his stomach. Shiva is widely known to grant any boon sought by an ardent devotee. So Shiva complied and took up residence in the Asuras stomach. Now, finally,Gajamukhasura was invincible! As a result, he could rein terror upon the inhabitants of both heaven and earth! When Shiva did not return, the goddess Parvati, his wife, went to Lord Vishnu for help. Lord Vishnu was The Preserver of the world and could locate anybody he wished. So he went to Gajamukhasura in the guise of a celestial flutist and took Shiva’s aide, the bull god Nandi, with him. He enchanted the demon Gajamukhasura by playing a beautiful melody from his flute while Nandi danced to the music. The Asura was immensely pleased and out of arrogance told the flutist (who he did not know was Lord Vishnu) that he could have anything he wanted. The flutist-Vishnu told Gajamukhasura that he, Gajamukhasura, could not fulfill the wish that the flutist wanted. At this Gajamukhasura grew agitated and told the flutist-Vishnu to ask whatever he could possibly care to ask for and would be obliged with the same. Quick as lightening, the flutist-Vishnu asked Gajamukhasura to release lord Shiva who was residing in his belly. Gajamukhasura immediately recognised the flutist to be Lord Vishnu, for no one else could have known where Shiva was. True to his word though, the Asura released lord Shiva. In doing so, the Asura died. Before he died however, he asked Shiva to help his head to be remembered always; Shiva honoured this last wish by giving the head to his eldest son Lord Ganesha.
Want more proof:
Read this book which is part of a doctoral thesis written by 13 Indian Scholars (all are Hindu except 1)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gUJ6112aGZQC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
Incest is commonly mentioned in ancient HIndu texts.
The daughter of one sage Vasishta believed him to be her husband and therefore used to have sex with him. In another story, God Indra had sex with his great grandson’s wife Vapushtma. Other “sages” even married their own daughter.
Even in the Rig Veda, the sexual converse between Brother and Sister Yam and Yami is mentioned, Yami expressing her desire to unite with her own Brother hinting that sexual relationship between Brothers and Sisters were not uncommon.
“In Hinduism the sole authority of holy Scripture the reader/interpreter himself, they call it private judgment, the believer don`t need other authorities.”
Your statement has certain truth to it.
“Hinduism” is an open system of beliefs which allows an individual seeker to make judgment based on sthan, kal and patra (i.e., place, time and person).
That’s why Bhagwan Shri Krishna in Shrimad Bhagawat Geeta talked about Sankhya Yoga (i.e., atheism), Karma Yoga (i.e., the most practical path for all common people on earth!), Gyaana–Karma-Sanyasa Yoga, Karma–Sanyasa Yoga, Dhyan Yoga or Atma-Sanyam Yoga, Gyaana–ViGyaana Yoga, Aksara–Brahma Yoga (i.e., Monotheism), Raja–Vidya–Raja–Guhya Yoga, Vibhuti–Vistara Yoga, Visvarupa–Darsana Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Ksetra–Ksetrajna Vibhaga Yoga, Gunatraya–Vibhaga Yoga, Purusottama Yoga, Daivasura–Sampad–Vibhaga Yoga, Sraddhatraya-Vibhaga Yoga, and Moksha–Sanyasa Yoga of “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanatana Dharma).
Therefore, it is wise to notice that, in the realm of spirituality there’s no “One Size Fits All” formula in “Hinduism” (i.e., Sanatana Dharma).
An individual seeker may use his/her own judgment to choose the right spiritual path.
“I don’t need advice from either you or continuum”
In Hinduism the sole authority of holy Scripture the reader/interpreter himself, they call it private jugement, the believer don`t need other authorities.
@Ron,
I read only padanupada(word by word) vivartana (translation) meaning word by word translation is required. We have Sanskrit sloka with meanings of each word and local language translations +English translations. So we do not want to read your English translations of Vedas or puranas .May be these are written by some anti Hindu westerners or evangelical Christian missionaries.
Real meaning of yajur veda lines you quoted.
Yajurveda 23.19: O master of all people, we submit ourselves to be guided by you alone. O the most loved one among all loved ones, we submit ourselves to be guided by you alone. O provider of knowledge and prosperity, we submit ourselves to be guided by you alone. May I be able the understand, with your blessings, the Nature that has produced my own body and world, and is controlled by you alone.
I gave a link to narayaneeyam which is a miniature version of Bhagavatam. I know you will not bother to read it, because your mind is prejudiced.
http://www.narayaneeyam-firststep.org/
Above link has both Sanskrit slokas(moola)and English translation. I am accustomed with Hindu religion much. I don’t need advice from either you or continuum
@continuum- I know Vedas say Indra as sarveshwara and supreme Lord. in Chamakam which is from Taithireeya Samhita of Krishna Yajur Veda, there is an anuvaka which says Agnischama Indraschame, Vishnuschama Indraschame etc. All knows Chamakam was hymns praising Lord SHiva. So here Indra denotes Shiva.In Vedas,Indra word used to denote God,Vishnu,Shiva and notnecessarily demigod Indra mentioned in puranas.
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And as per TheHindu.com
(This hindu newspaper admits the fact that temple prostitution of young girls is going on in India even now)
Once upon a time it was all over Hindu India but the British decreased it.
Quoting the National Commission for Women, the authority says there are 2.5 lakh “Devadasi” girls who have been dedicated to Yellamma and Khandoba temples on Maharastra-Karnataka border. This includes 16,624 from Andhra Pradesh, 22,941 from Karnataka and 2,479 from Maharastra. The Devadasi system is prevalent in 10 districts of north Karnataka and 14 districts in Andhra Pradesh.
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Hindus do many things, even in temples. That does NOT mean Hinduism authorizes it. Devadasi system was originaly not meant to be prostitution and I proved it from a published paper in a peer-reviewed journal…
EVIDENCE FROM PEER REVIEWED JOURNAL THAT DEVADASI SYSTEM WAS ORIGINALLY A BENEVOLENT SYSTEM:
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http://escholarship.org/uc/item/37z853br#page-3
Peer Reviewed Journal
Title: THE DEVADASI SYSTEM: Temple Prostitution in India
Journal Issue: UCLA Women’s Law Journal, 22(1)
Author: Shingal, Ankur
Publication Date: 2015
Permalink: http://escholarship.org/uc/item/37z853br
I. The Historical Devadasi System
The historical account of the devadasi system is murky due to its early inception.13 The first confirmed reference to a devadasi was during the Keshari Dynasty in the 6th century A.D. in South India.14 The practice began when one of the great queens of the Dy- nasty decided that in order to honor the gods, certain women who were trained in classical dancing, should be married to the deities.15 The inception of the practice was one that was imbued with great respect as the women whom were chosen to become devadasi were subject to two great honors: first, because they were literally mar- ried to the deity, they were to be treated as if they were the Goddess Lakshmi16 herself, and second, the women were honored because they were considered to be “those great women who [could] control natural human impulses, their five senses and [could] submit themselves completely to God.”17 As they were married to an im- mortal, the women were considered to be auspicious. Their main duties, in addition to committing to a life without marriage, were to take care of a temple and learn classical Indian dances, usually the bharatnatyam, which they would perform at temple rituals.18 Patrons were considered to have higher status for their ability to financially sponsor devadasis.19 The esteemed status of the devadasis began to wane under Is- lamic and British rule. Following their successful invasion of North India,20 Islamic rulers began to destroy Hindu temples throughout the region.21 Once the Hindu temples in the northern part of the subcontinent were destroyed, the devadasis, who were effectively tied to the temples, were left to fend for themselves. With the de- struction of the temples, devadasis lost not only their patronage, but also their status in society, leading to the beginnings of their exploitation.22
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THIS IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO REFUTE YOUR CHARGES THAT HINDUISM ALLOWS TEMPLE PROSTITUTION.
And as per TheHindu.com
(This hindu newspaper admits the fact that temple prostitution of young girls is going on in India even now)
Once upon a time it was all over Hindu India but the British decreased it.
Quoting the National Commission for Women, the authority says there are 2.5 lakh “Devadasi” girls who have been dedicated to Yellamma and Khandoba temples on Maharastra-Karnataka border. This includes 16,624 from Andhra Pradesh, 22,941 from Karnataka and 2,479 from Maharastra. The Devadasi system is prevalent in 10 districts of north Karnataka and 14 districts in Andhra Pradesh.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/article3246913.ece
Only Jesus never sinned, never told lies, healed people, had greatest morals.
Jesus is the way, the truth and life
HIndus are supposed to do bestiality (sex with the horse )
Proof in the vedas
Yajur Veda 23.19-21 All wife of the host reciting three mantras go round the horse. While praying, they say: ‘O horse, you are, protector of the community on the basis of good qualities, you are, protector or treasure of happiness. O horse, you become my husband’. After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: ‘O Horse, I extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception. The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu(priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: “This horse may release semen in me. Then the host, while praying to the horse says: “O horse, please throw semen on the upper part of the anus of my wife. Expand your penis and insert it in the vagina because after insertion, this penis makes women happy and lively.
This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:
[Face the truth … will give you lots of bull shit explanations to debunk or justify,…]
SCREEN-NAME FACE_THE_TRUTH DOES NEVER GIVE BULL$HIT EXPLANATION(S) OF ANYTHING.
AND, THAT IS THE FACT.
BECAUSE, IF I SAY OR WRITE ANYTHING THAT TURNS OUT TO BE INCORRECT, UPON REALIZATION I APOLOGIZE TO MY READERS IMMEDIATELY.
[… but you have to use your brains and intelligence,…]
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S THROUGHOUT THE WORLD USE YOUR BRAIN AND INTELLIGENCE TO MURDER NON-BELIEVERS AND LOOT NON-BELIEVERS’ EVERYTHING.
[… even if it means questioning and going against the family indoctrinated narrative and rationale.]
SO, WHY DON’T YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S THROUGHOUT THE WORLD QUESTION THE FALSEHOODS INVOLVING YOUR FICTITIOUS JESUS F**KING CHRIST OF PAST 2000 YEARS???
LINK
http://www.kyroot.com/
[Choose the version of Ramayana and Mahabarata and any other Hindu Scripture and you will see and we will show the conflicts, immorality, illogics, crimes of these false god-heroes Rama, Hanuman, Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma, Indra, Agni, Kali etc.]
RAMAYANA AND MAHA-BHARATA HAVE SOMETHING IN THEM THAT STILL SHINES IN THE MINDS OF WORLD’S “HINDUS” WHEREAS YOUR “SUPER HOLY” BIBLE HAS MANY THINGS IN THEM THAT STINK TO YOUR FICTITIOUS HIGH CHRISTIAN OR ISLAMIC HEAVEN.
JUST READ FROM THE FOLLOWING LINK TO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF.
http://www.kyroot.com/
[A child born with an elephant head is a deformity.]
A SON BORN THROUGH ADULTERY WITH A MEMBER OF A ROMAN LEGION AND A JEWISH WHORE WAS NO “SON OF GOD”.
A CHILD BORN THROUGH SUCH ADULTEROUS CIRCUMSTANCE IS A DISGRACE.
[… Logic says that the head (brain) is the source of thinking and controls other parts of the body so Ganpati is more of an Elephant with a human torso.]
“HINDUISM” HAS NARA-SIMHA ALSO AND, THAT IS, A MAN’S BODY WITH A LION’S HEAD THAT RIPPED APART THE ASURA (I.E., DEMON) HIRANYAKASHIPU.
SIMILARLY, LIKE THE NARA-SIMHA DID, INDIAN “HINDUS” SHOULD — IF SITUATION DEMANDS — RIP APART ALL CHRISTIANS CURRENTLY LIVING AND HAVE BEEN $UCKING THE BLOOD OUT OF INDIAN “HINDUS” FOR OVER 200 YEARS!
[One Hindu told me that it was the first head transplant (story of Ganpati) in the world!!]
THAT PARTICULAR “HINDU” PROPABLY LOVES TO BELIEVE IN HIS/HER FOREFATHERS’ FAITH AND HAS PROBABLY TRIED TO RATIONALIZE PURANIC “HINDU” GODS AND GODDESSES IN LIGHT OF MODERN MEDICAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THERE’S NO REASONABLE PURPOSE IN DOING SO SINCE ALL HISTORICAL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS WERE BURNED (I.E., ARSONED) DURING MEDIEVAL TIME BY MUSLIM INVADERS.
“HINDUISM” HAS LOST OVER 80% OF ITS RELIGIOUS AND HISTORICAL RECORDS DUE TO THE WIDESCALE ARSONING OF ANCIENT ARCHIVES AND LIBRARIES BY MARAUDING MUSLIM INVADERS OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT DURING THE MIDDLE AGES.
[Put on your thinking hat and question and do not believe in depravity or follow depraved false gods of Hinduism.]
BUT, YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S THROUGHOUT THE WORLD DO NOT LIKE TO PUT YOUR THINKING HAT TO QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF YOUR FICTITIOUS JESUS F**KING CHRIST HANGING ON THE GALLOWS!
[Jesus alone is the way, the truth and life.]
YOUR FICTITIOUS JESUS F**KING CHRIST CAN ONLY BE THE WAY OF A COCK$UCKER CHRISTIAN M*****F***** LIKE YOURSELF.
WORLD’S 1 BILLION “HINDUS” NEED NOT WORSHIP YOUR FICTITIOUS JESUS F**KING CHRIST.
FOR YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S THROUGHOUT THE WORLD TO ENJOY, BELOW IS A LINK OF A CHRISTIAN-AMERICAN WHO HAS JUST CONVERTED TO ISLAM.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/robert-spencer-in-the-hill-lindsay-lohan-may-have-made-her-worst-life-choice-yet
Vijay, Truth Seeker and other Hindus,
Face the truth and why/continuum will give you lots of bull shit explanations to debunk or justify, but you have to use your brains and intelligence, even if it means questioning and going against the family indoctrinated narrative and rationale.
Choose the version of Ramayana and Mahabarata and any other Hindu Scripture and you will see and we will show the conflicts, immorality, illogics, crimes of these false god-heroes Rama, Hanuman, Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma, Indra, Agni, Kali etc.
A child born with an elephant head is a deformity. Logic says that the head (brain) is the source of thinking and controls other parts of the body so Ganpati is more of an Elephant with a human torso.
One hindu told me that it was the first head transplant (story of Ganpati) in the world!!
Put on your thinking hat and question and do not believe in depravity or follow depraved false gods of Hinduism.
Jesus alone is the way,, the truth and life.
Vijay,
When I visited South Asia and the Far East, my impression of Hinduism and Buddhism was different. I never knew the evils committed by the so called gods which are well documented in Hindu Scriptures which is spread over the Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads, Ramayana, Mahabarata etc..
The stories or the folklore portrayed to us here in the West (and to Hindus in South Asia) is mainly the Mahabarata (family dispute leading to war for real estate) and Ramayana (wife kidnapping leading to war).
The short form stories in this mythological epics is believable which is sold to us here in the West and we lap it up as good guys winning over the bad guys.
But when you go through the whole stories (Every version of these epics have sets of crimes (sex, immorality, murder, deceit, theft) recorded by these god-heroes some versions have more crimes recorded than other versions. These stories have background stories of their own and again have those crimes by the god-heroes.
Pick up any version you choose (even the most sanitized verion) and you will find conflict with science and logic. This monkey Hanuman is marrying a mermaid!!!!
//When several volunteers have stepped forward Hanuman leads them into the waves. They find a large number of mermaids underwater. As they watch, a new rock is tossed in. The mermaids living underwater take the rocks and carry them away. Hanuman looks for their leader. He spots lovely mermaid supervising the others. He swims towards her but she skillfully evades him. Time and again he begins an attack but it comes to nothing.
Hanuman finds he is falling in love with the creature. He changes his tactics and begins to silently woo her. She responds to him and soon they are together at the bottom of the sea.
Later, Hanuman asks the mermaid why she is stealing the rocks. She tells him that she is Suvannamaccha, a daughter of Ravana (the demon who had abducted Sita). When Ravana saw Hanuman’s Vanaras building a causeway he instructed Suvannamaccha to stop it.
Hanuman tells the mermaid why he is building the causeway. He tells her of the abduction of Sita, the battle between Rama and her father Ravana, how they started to build a bridge, and in consequence was ordered to finish the causeway within seven days or pay with his life.
Suvannamaccha turned to Hanuman and her eyes were filled with love. No more, she said, would she prevent Hanuman from completing his mission. Her mermaids underwater would, in fact, return all the stolen rocks to the causeway.//
They parted as lovers part but it was not to be the end for them. Hanuman had left a seed with Suvannamaccha and soon she would give birth to their son, Macchanu.
http://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/8402/did-shree-hanuman-have-a-child-from-raavanas-daughter-suvannamaccha
That is why Dr Ambedkar chose to leave Hinduism. Raja Ram Mohan Roy left traditional Hinduism and started the Brahmo Samaj where he believed God has to be one and no forms like Krishna, Shiva or Brahma etc.
They enter darkness those who worship natural things (for e.g. air, water, fire, etc.). They sink deeper in darkness those who worship sambhuti i.e. created things. (Yajurved 40:9)
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Regarding Indra,he is a demi god. He is not beyond desires.
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This is very very wrong Vijay. There is no demi-god in Hinduism. Rig Veda is full of praises regarding Indra as killer of Vrittrasura. There are more number of mantras in praise of Indra along with Lord Vishnu than any other Vedic god. Every Vedic god in an aparoksha Jnanin, means one who has overcome all desires and one who do purely nishkama karma. Do not talk loosely without understanding correctly.
@Ron,
So finally you agree that lighting candles and keeping roses in front of pictures/statues of Jesus, Mary is idolatry.
My point was when God can be personified, there starts idolatry. But idolatry is not that grave sin for us. This belief originated in west asia supposedly by Abraham-I mean concept of idol worship as bad.
gods rape? animal sex ?I have read a purana completely and never I saw these.These can be found in English translations of puranas by anti Hindu writers. Regarding Indra,he is a demi god. He is not beyond desires. But Shiva, Vishnu, Godess Durga who are forms of supreme universal Brahmam or God are above all desires. In fact definition of bhagwan is one having 6 qualities and one is no desire at all.
Our ultimate salvation is realizing true nature of self as Brahmam and not going to heaven. heaven and hell are temporary abodes for us.
HERE IS THE EVIDENCE AS TO WHY EVEN THE WITCH DOCTORS OF SOUTH AFRICA ARE AFRAID OF DEVIL WORSHIPING CHRISTIAN PASTORS. AFTER ALL THESE DEMON WORSHIPING PASTORS WORSHIP THE PRINCE AND KING OF ALL DEMONS, AKA SATAN….
CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT MAMZER JEEBUS IS DEMON FROM NT
1 John 4:2-3
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
So basically if a spirit acknowledges Jesus for who he is then that means that the spirit is righteous and on the side of God and doing the works that God is pleased with.
However, lets look at the following verses…
Mark 1:23-24
22 The people were amazed at his teaching, because he taught them as one who had authority, not as the teachers of the law.
23 Just then a man in their synagogue who was possessed by **an evil spirit cried out**,
24 “What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? **I know who you are—the Holy One of God!**”
Mark 3:11-12
11 Whenever **the evil spirits saw him**, they fell down before him and cried out, **”You are the Son of God.”**
12 But he gave them strict orders not to tell who he was.
CLEARLY THE EVIL SPIRITS ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MAMZER JEEBUS IS FROM god….HOWEVER, “Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God” AS PER 1 JOHN..
CONCLUSION:
EVIL DEMONS AND EVIL SPIRITS ARE FROM god OF JEEBUS AND THEREFORE BASTARD JEEBUS IS PRINCE OF DEMONS AKA SATAN AKA DEVIL HIMSELF, WHILE JEEBUS’ gOD IS KING OF DEMONS…
DO YOU NEED MORE EVIDENCE THAT RON THAT YOUR BASTARD JEEBUS IS THE DEVIL HIMSELF. DEMONIC FOLLOWERS ARE TOO STUPID IN WRITING THEIR SCRIPTURES AND REVEAL TRUTH ABOUT DEMONIC NATURE OF THEIR RELIGION UNKNOWINGLY… 🙂
NO WONDER THIS DEMONIC OT gOD ORDERS MASS RAPE, LOOTING, GENOCIDE ETC.
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If you go to South Africa and go to the outskirts of any city or villages you will find a lot of witchdoctors. They are generally feared by everyone, even by the Imams of the mosque, Hindu temple priests, government officials and policemen are afraid of them etc. But the surprising thing is that these witchdoctors are afraid of Christian pastors.
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In other words, the crustian pastors are such vile, evil, demonic, dangerous devil worshipers that even the demon worshiping witchdoctors in South Africa are afraid of them….I agree that demonic corpse worshiping christian pastors are more dangerous than the demon worshiping witchdoctors. It looks like all others are harmless and which is why the witchdoctors arent afraid of them..
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In Hinduism, you have lots of stories of gods raping, enticing, other gods and rishis wives and even animals which makes you wonder that how can they be gods and give moral teachings?
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There are no such stories. There is no enticing or sexual contact between Vedic Gods and rishi’s wives….Unfortunately, even many Hindus do not understand this part of teaching as the hidden teachings are not available to common men.
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The Hindu website is totally pro Hindu but they admit that their gods are sexual perverts.
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We will see if you allegations are true as per your own website. Websites, even Hindu ones do not decide what is right. It is Hindu scriptures themselves.
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http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/sex-and-gurus.asp
They say that in Christianity sex is restricted between man and woman but in Hinduism it is freedom of sex with any one man, woman, animal
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You are a scoundrel Ron….Look how sneakily you inserted your own comments above after the link, to make it appear as though it is a statement made in the website. This is your LIES…
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Sex and Hindu gods
The gods of Hinduism are pleasure loving, while the goddesses are mostly chaste and pure. The Puranas depict most of the Hindu gods as libidinous and not immune to the charms of opposite sex. They enjoy having sex with heavenly maidens and beautiful earthly women.
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Exactly what reference does this author give for evidence? NONE….So it is rejected as false. There are many lay Hindus who make loose comments without understanding anything. Any idiot is able to make comments and write articles by creating their own websites. There is no control mechanism among Hindus publishing anything online they want. This Jayaram, I am sure is not educated formally in a Hindu school and I am sure he is not educated formally in Sanskrit as well.
First of all, the basic understanding about Vedic Gods is missing here. The fool does not even know that the deha or body of Vedic Gods is completely different (tejomaya or full of light) as compared to human beings. Mahabhratha gives an account on how the body of Surya or Sun God is? This is the story of Kunti mother of Pandavas who invokes Surya aka Sun God.
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http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03304.htm
And having recourse to Pranayama, she invoked the Maker of day. And thus invoked by her, O king, the Maker of day speedily presented himself. And he was of a yellowish hue like honey, and was possessed of mighty arms, and his neck was marked with lines like those of a conchshell. And furnished with armlets, and decked with a diadem, he came smiling, and illumining all the directions. And it was by Yoga power that he divided himself in twain, one of which continued to give heat, and the other appeared before Kunti.
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Here Surya’s body is described as “illumining all the directions”, which means it is Tejomaya or made of light for lack of other words. Not only that, Surya divided His body as two, one giving light to world and another that appeared in front of Kunti. Every Vedic gods body is Tejomaya and the type of body belongs to more subtle elements, the more higher is the Vedic god is in the hierarchy. Vedic god Indra for example is much higher in hierarchy as compared to Surya. Indra’s body is much more Tejomaya or much more illuminating than that of Surya. Without understanding even the basics of Hindu teachings, many Hindus write nonsense. This is sad state of affairs among majority ignorant Hindus.
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According to the Vedas, the Puranas, and the Upanishads when a person departs from here to the immortal world, on his way thousands of maidens come forward with perfumes and garlands to greet him and entertain him. It is one of the passing pleasures of a pure soul that has attained liberation and ready to be anointed by the Lord Himself in the highest world.
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This is not correct. Liberated souls???? One who is liberated goes beyond all known worlds. This most probably refers to those reaching temporary heavens, where pleasures exist, not in the liberated immortal world. In the immortal world beyond all known temporary worlds, one enjoys with their soul mates. There exists no body for these souls.
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Indra is as fickle as the human mind and susceptible to sexual desire. He is particularly jealous of anyone trying to practice celibacy or asceticism. If they progress far on the path, he would dispatch beautiful nymphs from heaven to entice them and disturb their austerities.
Vedic gods such as Indra and Agni were often captivated by the beauty of earthly women, and even the wives of rishis. Indra ruined the reputation of many chaste women, such as Ahalya, by tempting them with his guiles and indulging in sexual conjugation with them. Among other gods, notable was Lord Krishna who had numerous wives and consorts.
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This is expected from an ignorant Hindu, who is NOT educated on the intimate secrets taught here. The fool Jayaram does NOT even know that Lord Krishna’s Form is absolutely spiritual in nature. The idiot Jayaram did not even read Mahabharatha or other texts.
First, as shown above from Mahabharatha, Surya’s body is tejomaya or full of light…There is also another aspect of Surya described is that he is in two places at the same time. Multilocality is a power unique to all Vedic Gods. These show the bodies of Vedic Gods are NOT like ours. It is stupid to talk about sexual congress with Vedic Gods. Indra’s episode has a hidden meaning to it. No Vedic Gods indulge in sexual congress with human beings or others who are unto like animals.
Indra for example is the controller of mind (mano-abhimani) of all living creatures and lives in the mind of every living creature (multilocality or bahu-amsha jivas). His work is to test the limits of all souls until they attain full control over evil thoughts. The stories of sending nymphs etc. is testing the minds of ascetics, if they have controlled their lusts. Indra this way cuts off ascetics from attaining certain merits undeserved, ie who have not controlled their lusts. By giving them repeated failures, Indra teaches them step by step to control their desires. The story of Ahalya is slightly different. Here Indra tests how much the sage can control his anger and attachment. The sage lost it. Indra in his subtle tejomaya (light) body is already present in the bodies of Ahalya and the sage husband. He simply became visible to the sage who thought Indra has done something (while in reality NOT), who due to excess attachment was prevented from achieving certain spiritual merits beyond his capacity. Indra similarly destroys demonic creatures from achieving spiritual merits beyond their qualification.
These stories are misunderstood, by Hindus as well, as though Indra or other Vedic Gods as lusting after women. This is sad state of affairs among ignorant majority Hindus.
Vedic gods such as Indra and Agni were often captivated by the beauty of earthly women, and even the wives of rishis. Indra ruined the reputation of many chaste women, such as Ahalya, by tempting them with his guiles and indulging in sexual conjugation with them. Among other gods, notable was Lord Krishna who had numerous wives and consorts.
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Even Shiva, an epitome of self-control and asceticism, fell for the beauty of Mohini, a manifestation of Lord Vishnu and legend has it that they had a child out of that engagement. Brahma, the creator god, was captivated by the beauty of Saraswathi, his own creation, and made her his consort.
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Again, the story of birth of Ayyappa is NOT found in any Hindu scripture at all. This deity Ayyappa is not found anywhere in North India. Why? Many of the stories are created locally and are NOT part of Hindu scriptures. You quoted about Hanuman marrying some mermaid, while in reality it is a locally created stories in Vietnam and Cambodia etc. and not found in original Hindus scriptures. Similar is the story of son born to Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu. There is no truth in these stories as one of the Puranas or Mahabharatha etc. contain even remote mention of Ayyappa. So it is rejected as false story.
The story of Brahma is very much there, but the interpretation i again wrong. Brahma and Saraswati are first created beings in the Universe. These are soul mates. Every soul has its soul mate (niyat pati (natural husband) and niyat patni (natural wife)). This is the teachings of Vedic Hinduism. Marriage in Hinduism is nothing but formal joining of natural soul mates together. This is why, Hinduism never recognizes divorce. Those souls who are naturally soul mates cannot and should not be separated. So Brahma being the first creature created, through Vedic God’s permission gives a body to his own soul mate, namely Saraswati.
Without knowing inner teachings of Hinduism, many idiotic Hindus also write stupid articles. It is a very sad state of affairs.
The Hindu website is totally pro Hindu but they admit that their gods are sexual perverts.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/sex-and-gurus.asp
They say that in Christianity sex is restricted between man and woman but in Hinduism it is freedom of sex with any one man, woman, animal
Sex and Hindu gods
The gods of Hinduism are pleasure loving, while the goddesses are mostly chaste and pure. The Puranas depict most of the Hindu gods as libidinous and not immune to the charms of opposite sex. They enjoy having sex with heavenly maidens and beautiful earthly women.
According to the Vedas, the Puranas, and the Upanishads when a person departs from here to the immortal world, on his way thousands of maidens come forward with perfumes and garlands to greet him and entertain him. It is one of the passing pleasures of a pure soul that has attained liberation and ready to be anointed by the Lord Himself in the highest world.
Indra is as fickle as the human mind and susceptible to sexual desire. He is particularly jealous of anyone trying to practice celibacy or asceticism. If they progress far on the path, he would dispatch beautiful nymphs from heaven to entice them and disturb their austerities.
Vedic gods such as Indra and Agni were often captivated by the beauty of earthly women, and even the wives of rishis. Indra ruined the reputation of many chaste women, such as Ahalya, by tempting them with his guiles and indulging in sexual conjugation with them. Among other gods, notable was Lord Krishna who had numerous wives and consorts.
Even Shiva, an epitome of self-control and asceticism, fell for the beauty of Mohini, a manifestation of Lord Vishnu and legend has it that they had a child out of that engagement. Brahma, the creator god, was captivated by the beauty of Saraswathi, his own creation, and made her his consort.
Vijay,
I do consider lighting a candle in front of any statue and offering flowers to any statue whether Mary, Jesus or anyone else as idol worship.
There is always a distinction between Creator and the creator and the creation cannot become the Creator. If you biologically father/mother a child and raise that child up and look after that childs needs, health and interest etc. And if this child goes on calling someone else father/mother you will react or try to rectify the situation may be after neglecting the situation a few times.
Though God has created the child, you were the vehicle for the child and you now are the parent and have responsibility. The child can never be your father legally or logically.
Jesus started his ministry at age of 30. The Bible does not record what He was doing but he did acquire a tremendous knowledge and wisdom and since Joseph was a carpenter He could have been helping in the family work. It does not matter and any other inference is just speculative.
If you go to South Africa and go to the outskirts of any city or villages you will find a lot of witchdoctors. They are generally feared by everyone, even by the Imams of the mosque, Hindu temple priests, government officials and policemen are afraid of them etc. But the surprising thing is that these witchdoctors are afraid of Christian pastors.
In Hinduism, you have lots of stories of gods raping, enticing, other gods and rishis wives and even animals which makes you wonder that how can they be gods and give moral teachings?
See this article by a pure Hindu website
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/sex-and-gurus.asp
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Commentaries, dead things, cannot have authority. Furthermore they are made by men a have to be interpreted by men. And men can err.
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If commentaries (dead things) according to you cannot have authority, then that is the same case with bible (a dead book) which cannot have any authority. Your corpse worshiping churches base all their teachings on a dead book called bible written by fallible humans and those who interpret the dead bible are men too. Why do christians harp on bible then? Without your dead bible, nobody would know about the fake corpse you christians worship..
By the way, Hindus do not believe that those commentaries are made by men….You know very little about Hinduism….The founders of schools of Hinduism are Vedic gods…not men, the interpreters are not mere human, they are Vedic gods themselves who descended to teach humanity, unlike your human creators of fallible bible.
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Despite the long history of Hinduism, there has never been and there will never be a authorised (living) body (corpse) for interpretation.
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Why would Hindus need a zombie dead corpse to guide them? We do not need corpses, while living immortal gods guide us..
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Reading your comments here it seems to me that you are a highly frustrated person. I too would be highly frustrated if I was an adherent of Hinduism, because authority would depend on me through my interpretations of Scriptures/commentaries.
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Do not project your frustrations on me AH aka Ron….Every other religion, including your crustianity is nothing but interpretation of men….
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Here you will find the testimony of a country-fellowman who found that appointed authorative living corpse with the outlandish claim to be divinely guided in faith and morals.
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Fools are born dime a dozen….”appointed authorative living corpse” interesting choice of words for the corpse of a dead man-god born through adultery…
“There are well established commentaries on Vedic scriptures which are more than 1000 years old.”
Commentaries, dead things, cannot have authority. Furthermore they are made by men a have to be interpreted by men. And men can err.
Despite the long history of Hinduism, there has never been and there will never be a authorised (living) body (corpse) for interpretation.
Reading your comments here it seems to me that you are a highly frustrated person. I too would be highly frustrated if I was an adherent of Hinduism, because authority would depend on me through my interpretations of Scriptures/commentaries.
Here you will find the testimony of a country-fellowman who found that appointed authorative living corpse with the outlandish claim to be divinely guided in faith and morals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpiVbF33eI
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That is the problem with the religion of Hinduism, there is no appointed authoritative body that claims to have the correct interpretation of the Holy Scriptures. In Hinduism you have a billion authorities, that is a billion opinions. The same applies to Islam and Protestantism as well.
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Stupid, here are just two people discussing without much knowledge…These are not scholars of Hinduism. This does not mean there are no scholars of Hinduism. There are well established commentaries on Vedic scriptures which are more than 1000 years old. These commentaries truly decide authoritative body in Vedic Hinduism. Just because two lay people dispute their interpretation in this website, it does NOT mean there ain’t an authoritative body, stupid corpse worshiper.
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@Vijay
“As much I understand Vedanta I do not agree with you on this”
That is the problem with the religion of Hinduism, there is no appointed authoritative body that claims to have the correct interpretation of the Holy Scriptures. In Hinduism you have a billion authorities, that is a billion opinions. The same applies to Islam and Protestantism as well.
Vedanta while literally means end of the Vedas. This is NOT the actual meaning of the word Vedanta. Vedanta means “sara (juice)” or the ultimate meaning of the Vedas.
It is silly to talk about end part or middle part of Vedas, claiming end part (Upanishads) gives ultimate meaning while middle part (Aranyakas) or starting (Mantras) part do not. This is all misinterpretation. The very name Veda itself means knowledge. All of Vedas give ultimate knowledge. When one does not understand this, some modern schools like Arya Samaj reject part as not Vedas and some other school reject some other part of Vedas as merely for rituals. Both types of schools are wrong in their approach.
The correct interpretation is that entire Vedas when properly understood with correct and ultimate meaning becomes Vedanta only. Entire Vedas reveal the Vedic God through its every letter, word, pada etc.
vedaishcha sarvaiH ahameva vedyo | Bhagavad Gita (15:14)
The Vedas and [their adjunct texts like the Itihâsa-s and PurâNa-s] all speak of Me only.
yo devānāṃ nāmadhā eka eva taṃ sampraśnambhuvanā yantyanyā || (Rig Veda 10:82:3)
The bearer of all names (nāmadhā) of all devatas or gods (devānāṃ) is The One Independent Lord (eka) only (eva). Him all other beings of the world seek for all knowledge.
These verses show that every letter in Vedas denote Vedic God primarily, and others only secondarily. Thus entire Vedas become Vedanta when proper interpretation to them is given with the aid of Brahma Sutras.
@ truth seeker- Vedas are four in number. Yajur veda is divided to two- Black (Krishna) and white(shukla).
All three major Vedas are arranged to 3 parts Samhitas, Bramhanam and aranyaka in that order. Black Yajur veda has 4 samhitas. Samhitas mostly deal with Vedic sacrifices, personification of God is as Indra, Agni, Purusha, Prajapati, Rudra, Shiva and Vishnu, It is ritual part.
Bramhanam is more prayers/hymns and aranyaka part is where mostly God is known as Bramham (attribute less, person less) although the word Purusha is also used. it is more philosophical. Upanishads are taken from Bramhanam and aranyaka parts which are towards middle and last of Vedas. Hence the philosophy (darshana) dealing Upanishad is called Vedanta. Anta in Sanskrit means end.
Vedanta is also known as uttara meemamsa (latter meemamsa). The philosophy derived from samhita is the poorva meemamsa (previous meemamsa) or simply mimamsa.
In Vedic sacrifice the yajur Vedic priest has highest responsibility and work. He is the adhwaryu. Hota/ Hotar is the Rg Vedic chief priest and sama Vedic priest is the udgita.
adhwaryu, udgita and hota has 4 assistants each . Generally they are called ritwiks. To oversee all these people an all knowing person is available who is known as Bramhan. Today people confuse words Bramham (God) with Bramhan. A Brahmin (Braamhana) is different altogether.
The person for whom sacrifice is performed, or one who assemble all ritwiks and perform these sacrifice is called a yajamana. Yajamana can be Kshatriya for certain sacrifices like Rajasuya, Aswamedha. But all ritwiks are brahmins
@Vijay
As much I understand Vedanta I do not agree with you on this
____As I said the Vedanta(end part of vedas) mention ………………….
Vedanta does not mean end part of Veda but Vedanta actual mean we can say “Anantar of Veda” in English we can say in the line of Veda or according to Veda. Vedanta basically explore science and spiritually mentioned in Upanishads.
World’s billions of Christians believe in — as well as worship — a fictitious Jesus F**king Christ as “Son of God”.
But, recorded history tells us that Christianity’s idol — Jesus F**king Christ hanging on the gallows — was no “Son of God”.
In fact, Christianity’s idol — Jesus F**king Christ — was a son of a Jewish whore 2000 years ago.
So, world’s 1 billion “Hindus” today need not worship any replica of a son of a Jewish whore 2000 years ago!
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William Benjamin Smith, “Ecce Deus: Studies of Primitive Christianity”, London, 1912
l. Gordon Rylands, “Did Jesus Ever Live?”, Watts & Co., London, 1929
William James Durant, “The Story of Civilization, Part III, Caesar and Christ”, Fourth Printing, New York, 1944
Paul Johnson, “A History of Christianity”, Penguin Books, London, 1978
Michael Thomas Walter Arnheim, “Is Christianity True?”, London, 1984
George Albert Wells, “Did Jesus Exist?”, Second Edition, London, 1986
Daniel Edwin Barker, “Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist”, Fourth Printing, Freedom From Religion Foundation, Inc., USA, 2003
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@Ron,
We believe that soul has no birth and death. Anything which has beginning should end. if there is no end then it should not have beginning. You believe in soul being created but will live eternally in heaven or hell which sounds illogical and blind faith to me.
As I said the Vedanta(end part of vedas) mention Brahmam (GOD) attribute less , beyond senses and imagination. So for people to worship there should be some form. If God can take a human form, he can take a animal form too.
Dayanand Saraswati is a modern Guru. He may not know everything about Hinduism. Why are you so obsessed with idol worship? The very idea of attributing a form to God is idolizing. You believe in Jesus as a form of God didn’t you?
What makes you think if a Hindu offer water, sandal water, tulsi leaves to Lord Krishna’s statue it is idol worship and a Christian placing a rose, kissing or lighting a candle in front of a statue/picture of Jesus not idol worship?
If God can assume one form, he can assume many. If God assumes a form it is as good as idol. Because idol is also a form of God.
Regarding Jesus, what was he doing till he was 30? Your bible only talks about good things of Jesus that too from 30 till his death (32 age?)
Our puranas deal whole history. the stories have symbolic meanings as well. You first read genuine purana with English translation then argue. Read http://www.narayaneeyam-firststep.org/
Many incarnations of Godess Durga are as virgin. Only Godess Sree Parvathy, Lakshmi etc are as married consorts of Lord. Lord Rama and Krishna were born as Kings, So they kill bad people. One of avatara intention is to destroy bad and make devotees happy
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I never propagate hate nor do I discriminate on any basis and I abhor expletives and profanity as we are all made in the image of God. If I have hurt you in any way, I apologise.
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Nobody needs your apologies Ron and I never will give apology to a scoundrel liar like you….You should stop posting LIES if you really apologize….not say in words like your hypocrite bastard god jeebus..
You may abhor expletives while embracing LIES and false witnesses…while I abhor LIES and false witnesses….
Your lies have been exposed again and again….this time I exposed the fraud scoundrel Dharam Prakash
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I am not quoting anything from Bible or the words of Jesus about idol worship because it will seem biased.
God cannot reside in an idol. Dayanand Saraswati a Hindu reformer did not believe in idol worship. Even a Sikh guru Kabir said that it is better to worship a grinding stone which grinds wheat than idols which cannot move, talk, do anything. So, idol worship is primitive and useless.
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Kabir is no sikh guy, he is a mooslime and obviously one will expect such a thing from him…second sikhism is blend of Islam and local religions….so nothing different expected from them….Finally Dayanand is another modern neo-Hindu who influenced by abrahamic religions came up with mish-mash of Vedic Hinduism and abrahamic nonsense…None of these have any basis in Hinduism.
THERE IS NOT ONE VERSE IN VEDAS WHICH SPEAKS AGAINST SO CALLED IDOL WORSHIP.
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Moreover, those idols and creatures with animal heads and human torsos like Hanuman, Ganpati etc. can never be gods.
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Why? because you say so…..If a creature born with human head born through adultery to a whoring woman mary can become “god” for you, why not?
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The Vedas do talk about one God without form but it just cannot be gods with criminal history like Krishna, Vishnu, Ram, Brahma, Shiva, Kali, Indra, Agni etc. There are lots of Hindu scriptures documenting their crimes. If you want, I can send them across.
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There are no such crimes anywhere in Hindu scriptures. You are creating pack of LIES as usual. All you allegations were already proved wrong…
Second, your claim Vedas talk about God with no Form is also proven wrong…..Vedic statement that Vedic God has Form is already shown from Vedas…
Kanwa Shakha, Shukla Yajur Veda is older version of Shukla Yajur Veda used in South India (as compared to newer Madhyandina Shakha). Verse 40:16 (Page 158)
http://vedicreserve.mum.edu/yajur_veda/kanwa_shukla_yajur_veda.pdf
samuha tejah yat te **rupam kalyanatamam** tat te pasyami
The word **rupam kalyanatamam** means “Form most auspicious”. In the above verse the prayer is to reveal the “Form most auspicious” of Vedic God.
Rig Veda 6:47:18 (Here Vedic God immanent in each Soul has a particular Form and the soul is the reflection or image of Vedic God)
“rUpam rUpam pratirUpo babhUva tadasya rUpam pratichakshaNAya” – With reference to each form of Jiva (soul), He (the Lord) is the original Form (prototype). His form is for this one (the jIva or soul) to perceive.
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Show me one god in Hinduism who is like Jesus who has not done any crime or not done an act of shedding someone’s blood (kill or injure), or not had sexual encounters with consent or without, with animals or humans, not robbed (petty or grand) irrespective of the age or the material etc.
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Show me one God of Hinduism who is born through adultery through a whoring woman like mary like your bastard jeebus? Prove me that bastard jeebus was not born through adultery…one who is born through adultery cannot be god of any kind….
Show me where Vedic God had sexual encounter? There is none. This is your unproven allegation. A child eating butter where he plays in neighbor’s house is not robbery. Only a spherical idiot like you will keep talking nonsense.
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Show me one god in Hinduism who has preached and practiced such high morals on forgiveness, compassion, love, peace, healing etc (Bless those who curse you. Do not repay evil for evil, but repay evil with good.)
The stories of Rama and Krishna and Hanuman are myths that is why it is called Hindu mythology just the same as Greek mythology.
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There is no evidence for exsitence of jeebus outside of the bible….Jeebus existence is as much a mythologuy as Greek gods.
Your lies that mamzer jeebus forgiveness, love, compassion is already proven wrong….The scoundrel prostitute born jeebus, taught anything but love…
Clearly this is absolute lies…..The bastard jeebus born through adultery could not tolerate even the people who rejected his stupid teachings and denied to accept his delusional status as “son of demon-god” showing jeebus is a hypocrite, one who teaches one thing and does another thing.
Lets see how much this illicitly born bastard jeebus sowed the seeds of anti-semitism…so much for so called forgiveness…
Demon son jeebus calls Jews as sons of devil, sowing seeds of Jew hatred…..name calling…
“Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8.43-47)
Jeebus wishes death and torture for his enemies, the jews…Bastard jeebus wishes eternal hell for jews….so much for love…
“The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 8.12)
Bastard Jeebus calls Jews as the murderers of prophets, just like QURAN CALLS the Jews
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38) Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children” (Matthew 27:25). 1 “But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)
“Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?” Quran. 2:91
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Where is the superior bow and arrow power depicted inn these mythological stories now?
One Hindu told me it was missile technology by Ancient Hindu Indians.
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It still exists, but generally forbidden to be used against human beings. The secret science is hidden. This Vedic knowledge is taught rarely to very few qualified people. Vijayanagar Kingdom was able to manage onslaught of multiple islamic kingdoms because of brAhmins of that kingdom using these weapons.
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Then how did you lose to Muslim invaders and to the British?
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because, the Hindu kings stopped listening to qualified brahmins. Vijayanagar Kingdm flourished as long as the Kings listened to the great ascetic brahmin masters. The moment they started to disrespect, they lost.
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Why did Hanuman marry a mermaid when building the bridge to Lanka?
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There is no such story in Valmiki Ramayana. This is made up fake story. This was already shown to you scoundrel Ron.
Ron you are a dishonest lying son of a bitch scoundrel Ron…
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How could Hanuman (of species Rhesus monkey) lift and fly with a mountain to Lanka and Rama (of species homo sapiens or Ramapithecus) not be able to do so?
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WHo the hell told you this Ron? Hanuman is a vedic God called Mukhyaprana, with five faces. He is no monkey you bastard corpse worshipper…
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That is why Ambedkar said that this Hinduism is fake, casteist, discriminatory, unholy and illogical and that he (Ambedkar) though born Hindu would never die a Hindu.
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Ambedkar is a low caste dalit idiot who did not understand anything about Hinduism…. You are a mletcha born to a prostitute race…..How would you know what is logic when you believe that a bastard born through adultery is your god?
@Vijay,
I never propagate hate nor do I discriminate on any basis and I abhor expletives and profanity as we are all made in the image of God. If I have hurt you in any way, I apologise.
I am not quoting anything from Bible or the words of Jesus about idol worship because it will seem biased.
God cannot reside in an idol. Dayanand Saraswati a Hindu reformer did not believe in idol worship. Even a Sikh guru Kabir said that it is better to worship a grinding stone which grinds wheat than idols which cannot move, talk, do anything. So, idol worship is primitive and useless. (all primitive cultures worshipped idols right from Mayan, Aztecs, Vikings, Egyptians, ancient Greeks, Australian aboriginals, Native Indians, Sioux, Mbuti, Pygmies, Zulu, Masai, Hindu sects etc.).
Moreover, those idols and creatures with animal heads and human torsos like Hanuman, Ganpati etc. can never be gods.
The Vedas do talk about one God without form but it just cannot be gods with criminal history like Krishna, Vishnu, Ram, Brahma, Shiva, Kali, Indra, Agni etc. There are lots of Hindu scriptures documenting their crimes. If you want, I can send them across.
Show me one god in Hinduism who is like Jesus who has not done any crime or not done an act of shedding someone’s blood (kill or injure), or not had sexual encounters with consent or without, with animals or humans, not robbed (petty or grand) irrespective of the age or the material etc.
Show me one god in Hinduism who has preached and practiced such high morals on forgiveness, compassion, love, peace, healing etc (Bless those who curse you. Do not repay evil for evil, but repay evil with good.)
The stories of Rama and Krishna and Hanuman are myths that is why it is called Hindu mythology just the same as Greek mythology.
Where is the superior bow and arrow power depicted inn these mythological stories now?
One Hindu told me it was missile technology by Ancient Hindu Indians.
Then how did you lose to Muslim invaders and to the British?
Why did Hanuman marry a mermaid when building the bridge to Lanka?
How could Hanuman (of species Rhesus monkey) lift and fly with a mountain to Lanka and Rama (of species homo sapiens or Ramapithecus) not be able to do so?
That is why Ambedkar said that this Hinduism is fake, casteist, discriminatory, unholy and illogical and that he (Ambedkar) though born Hindu would never die a Hindu.
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This Hindu Brahmin Pandit of the Pushkar temple (the only Brahma temple) and Bollywood film personality says how he became a Christian and quotes from the Vedas
Testimony-Interview-Pandit Dharm Prakash Sharma
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MORE AND MORE THIS CORPSE WORSHIPING CON MAN SCOUNDREL RON POSTS, MORE HE EXPOSES THE FRAUDULENT SCOUNDREL MISSIONARIES and HIMSELF….THIS LYING SCOUNDREL BASTARD RON DOES NOT CARE FOR TRUTH NOR LOGIC NOR ANYTHING TO PEDDLE THE LIES OF PROSTITUTE BORN BASTARD JEEBUS…THIS IS FOR READERS TO SEE THE TRUTH THEMSELVES.
IN THE FOLLOWING LINK, THE FRAUDULENT SCOUNDREL MISSIONARY DHARM PRAKASH CLAIMS HIS FATHER IS A PRIEST IN PUSHKAR TEMPLE IN AJMER, RAJASTHAN
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http://www.jeevanmarg.com/testimonies/testimony-of-dharam-prakash-sharma/
Pandit Dharam Prakash Sharma is a well-known film star, a prominent business executive and a member of the Indian Parliament. **He was the only son of the chief priest of Pushkar Teertha** (or tirth), Ajmer, Rajasthan. Pushkar Tirth is one of the only two temples in India dedicated to Brahma.
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This is pure lies is known from this claim. why? see below…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma_Temple,_Pushkar#Worship
**The priests at the Brahma temple refer to a strictly followed religious practice. House-holders (married men) are not allowed to enter the sanctum sanctorum to worship the deity. Only ascetics (sanyasis) can perform the puja to the deity.** Hence, all offerings by pilgrims are given, from the outer hall of the temple, **through a priest who is a sanyasi**.
ALL PRIESTS OF PUSHKAR TEMPLE ARE LIFELONG CELIBATES OR ASCETICS (CALLED SANYASI IN SANSKRIT). THIS IMPLIES NONE OF THE PUSHKAR TEMPLE PRIESTS CAN HAVE CHILDREN, IF THEY ARE NOT EVEN MARRIED. SO HOW THIS FRAUDULENT SCOUNDREL DHARM PRAKASH CLAIMS HIS FATHER IS A PRIEST OF PUSHKAR TEMPLE?
READERS AND ALI SINA, PLEASE THINK HOW MUCH LIES CHRISTIANS ARE POSTING IN ORDER TO PEDDLE THE LIES OF YOUR BASTARD JEEBUS. IN ORDER TO SPREAD ONE LIES ABOUT BASTARD JEEBUS, HOW MUCH LIES WILL SCOUNDREL CHRISTIANS LIKE SCOUNDREL RON WILL SPREAD? ONLY GOD KNOWS THE LIMIT..
Dear Truth Seeker,
God has given us free will to choose good or evil and to worship Him or not. Though it is free will remember that our choices have consequences.
The consequence of sin is separation from God who is holy. For this separation to be bridged you need sincere repentance and salvation.
God has already provided the way and that is accepting that Jesus died for our sins and rose again.
It is like you have committed a crime and are going to be sentenced (e.g. a penalty of a fine for $10000 or long period in jail) for it by the judge.
The Judge is loving and kind but He must do justice, and so He can’t leave the criminal scot free without paying penalty. So, He penalises him (the criminal) with the fine and then He (his Son) pays the fine.
Your job is simply asking Judge for forgiveness and accepting and agreeing that the price the Judge (Son) paid is on your behalf.
So, if you have committed any sin (which we all have committed) then if you accept Jesus as your personal Saviour and accept and believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose on the third day then you are saved from eternal separation from God.
So this salvation plan is retroactive (people who died in the past) and also for the present population and also for the future souls who are going to be born on this planet.
Though the salvation plan looks simple and that way heaven will be full of souls, it does happen easily because sin, hatred, envy, idolatry, ego, I-know-it-all-attitude, animal worship, demon worship, false-god worship, animal-headed god worship, Allah-who’s-prophet-is-Mohammed worship, Buddha-worship, penis and vagina worship, materialism, selfishness has blinded us so much that we fail to see our sins and we reject the salvation solution.
This Hindu Brahmin Pandit of the Pushkar temple (the only Brahma temple) and Bollywood film personality says how he became a Christian and quotes from the Vedas
Testimony-Interview-Pandit Dharm Prakash Sharma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WpNyJR5G8g
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There is no rational explanation to your questions. Christians believe in a system of revealed truths, you cannot prove them. Christianity is not a science or a philosophical system like Hinduism. Unless you believe, you will not understand. Keep on seeking. Truth will set you free.
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It is possible that certain revealed truths cannot be proven logically or rationally as by its very definition of being revealed implies what is beyond our organs of senses…
For example, the existence of God is beyond human senses. One can posit that existence of such an entity is known only through revelation. No logic or inferences can help you arrive at the existence of God, except through direct revelation from God Himself.
However, the so called revealed truths must be at the least logically consistent. If the so called revealed truth is shown clearly as logically inconsistent and absurd, it can be known as false claim and rejected as false claim. Otherwise, anybody can claim anything they want as “revealed truth”.
Absurd crustian beliefs such as suicidal ritualistic sin offering of jeebus to himself to convince himself to forgive his own creation, ridiculous claims of jeebus such as shown in posts below etc. has been shown to be logically inconsistent, irrational and plain absurd in nature…So your claim that crustianity is revealed religion is rejected.
On the other hand, Hinduism (at the least Vedic religion) is NOT mere philosophical system, it is a revealed truth too. Entire Vedic texts are revealed texts, called as apowrusheya (unauthored texts). There exists NO agency (human or supernatural, including Vedic God) exists that wrote Vedas. They exist eternally in subtle Form as part of existence, just as souls, Vedic God exists eternally. In this way, the very source of knowledge (Vedas) in Hinduism is truly objective and self-evident truth. Every source of knowledge in every system has a human or allegedly a divine origin. It is impossible to know if the alleged divine being is truly divine and not evil in nature. However, Vedas have no author, human or divine. This is Vedic understanding. You can never find such unorthodox claims in any other religion or non-religion of the world. No other system has ever even thought of a concept like this before. This itself shows that Vedic religion is unlike any other belief/unbelief system in the world. Its unique, unorthodox bold claim of “authorlessness” not found anywhere else in the world from the very origin of Vedic Hinduism, is itself pointer to its revealed nature.
Some were made blind so that Jesus could show off by healing them.
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. John 9:1-3
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Notice above, that mamer jeebus is saying that “god” made some people blind, deaf and dumb, made them suffer for years together FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN MAKING HIS son jeebus APPEAR AS A godly MAGIC-man-god FROM THE SKY.
WHAT KIND OF EVIL BEING WILL KNOWINGLY MAKE CREATURES SUFFER FOR its own GLORY? This is the very definition of a sadistic demon god.
Besides, what KIND OF A MAN THIS JEEBUS IS WHO THINKS ALL THESE HAPPENED JUST FOR HIS MAGIC SHOW OF HEALING? THIS IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF A CEREBRAL KIND OF NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY.
THIS IS YET AGAIN ANOTHER PROOF THAT JEEBUS AND HIS fake god are false demons. ALL THREE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ARE THE RESULT OF NARCISSISTS AND MENTAL RETARDS…
In order to ask right question, on should first know the claims of opposing party correctly. Asking questions which does not make sense to opposing party is of no use making unnecessary assumptions.
In crustianity or any other abrahamic religion, there is no clarity about pre-existence of souls, and even if there is pre-existence of souls before its birth, there is absolutely no clarity as to why this abrahamic god allows the birth of certain souls at a particular time? Some think souls are created right at their birth while the body is formed. Its allegedly their god’s creation is in this way. There is no apriori reason a particular soul to be born in particular time. They are just born, we can say truly randomly. Abrahamic god plays dies or plays inky pinky ponky and then decides let it be born…
Now at the birth, according to crustianity, suddenly the soul is loaded with nice heavy load of original sin. Its akin to throwing a born baby into a railway track with an oncoming train. Nice loving god you got there…The other two religions do not speak of any such “sin”, babies are sinless so claim these followers…birth is not preceded necessarily by sins. But these cannot provide any scriptural support for such claims. The founders of these two religions did not give much thought to these questions at all….they were busy formulating and preoccupied with rules for sexual slavery, looting, when you can attack unbelievers’ towns, cities and take their women, how to divide loot among themselves, especially women and little girls, and such other more important matters at their hands.
Now one can ask as to why some child is born blind, deaf, dumb, mentally retarded, no legs, with two heads and one body etc. etc. For this mamzer jeebus and old babble god gives an answer….The bible god made them so, so that jeebus can make a magic show later by healing them…
Blind and deaf people were purposely made by God.
Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Exodus 4:11
Some were made blind so that Jesus could show off by healing them.
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. John 9:1-3
People are made blind and deaf by evil spirits.
And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit. Jesus … rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. Mark 9:17, 25
So, all creation and its suffering (future, past and present), exists as per custianity, as mamzer jeebus’ theatre for his magic show of healing and spreading his glory and fame for this walking flying zombie man-god and his invisible father in the sky. Whether one is born in future or past, this magic zombie man-god paid for any sins…however, man being born with handicaps (definitely suffering) is not due to sins…..some sufferings are due to sin and some are not. How would you differentiate them? Well, nobody knows….These man made abrahamic religions have no consistent answer for anything.
@TS
“I found no answer of my question”
There is no rational explanation to your questions. Christians believe in a system of revealed truths, you cannot prove them. Christianity is not a science or a philosophical system like Hinduism. Unless you believe, you will not understand. Keep on seeking. Truth will set you free.
@A.H,/Ron/ Ali Sina
I listen the conversation. I found no answer of my question. If you are a Christian and know answer just post your reply here. I am consistently failing to understand how Jesus died for the sins committed by me while I was not even born when Jesus lived on this earth? If Jesus took on our all sins on his head there is no place for hell. We all should be in heaven. For which purpose souls are coming on earth? Muhammad, all rapist, mass murdered too must be in heaven because all their sins taken by Jesus. What is your thought on this?
@TS
“How Jesus died for the sin committed by me? Which are sins I did and when? I was not born when Jesus lived then How Jesus died for me?”
Instead of throwing mud, you always ask good questions. You really are a truth seeker. Here below you find a link which could gain some insight into this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyQz-5LpHvU
Ron says:
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I concurred that all these the religions must have started with good intent of worshipping one God, who is without form (which even the Vedas says), help fellow humans in need but got contaminated, deviated and started worshipping idols, created things and started hating fellow humans along with a mix of good works..
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THIS REPLY GOES FOR NOT ONLY RON, BUT ALSO ALL HINDUS WHO THINK VEDIC GOD IS WITHOUT FORM…
Iconoclasm or Anthropomorphobia is irrational abrahamic dogma.
IT IS NOT PART OF VEDIC HINDUISM. NEITHER ARE VEDAS DEVOID OF ANTHROPOMORPHIC REPRESENTATION OF VEDIC GOD. Formless God in Vedas IS MODERN INVENTION OF NEO-HINDUS LIKE ARYA SAMAJ and in some cases plain misinterretation…It has no place in Vedic Hinduism.
Vedas are full of references where Vedic God is explicitly told to have auspicious Forms, not one, but infinite Forms. See the references below. First I will give irrefutable evidence from Vedas, where Vedic verses explicitly say Vedic God has Forms (rUpa)
Kanwa Shakha, Shukla Yajur Veda is older version of Shukla Yajur Veda used in South India (as compared to newer Madhyandina Shakha). Verse 40:16 (Page 158)
http://vedicreserve.mum.edu/yajur_veda/kanwa_shukla_yajur_veda.pdf
samuha tejah yat te **rupam kalyanatamam** tat te pasyami
The word **rupam kalyanatamam** means “Form most auspicious”. In the above verse the prayer is to reveal the “Form most auspicious” of Vedic God.
Rig Veda 6:47:18 (Here Vedic God immanent in each Soul has a particular Form and the soul is the reflection or image of Vedic God)
“rUpam rUpam pratirUpo babhUva tadasya rUpam pratichakshaNAya” – With reference to each form of Jiva (soul), He (the Lord) is the original Form (prototype). His form is for this one (the jIva or soul) to perceive.
The same principle is taught in kaTakopanishad
NOTE: sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA literally means the immanent (aMtara) GOD (AtmA) within all (sarva) beings (bhUta). This term “sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA” is reference to Vedic God and NOT mere souls.
agniryathaikO bhuvanaM praviShTO
rUpaM rUpaM pratirUpO babhUva |
EkastathA sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA
rUpaM rUpaM pratirUpO bahiSca ||kaTakopanishad 2:2:9||
As the one fire, after it has entered the world, though one, assumes different forms, thus the “one Self” (sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA) within all things assumes different Forms, according to whatever it enters, and exists also without.
vAyuryathaikO bhuvanaM praviShTO
rUpaM rUpaM pratirUpO babhUva |
EkastathA sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA
rUpaM rUpaM pratirUpO bahiSca ||kaTakopanishad 2:2:10||
As the one air, after it has entered the world, though one, assumes different forms, according to whatever it enters, thus the “one Self” (sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA) within all things assumes different Forms, according to whatever it enters, and exists also without.
The same Upanishad again confirms that the word Purusha refers to Vedic God.
ya EShu suptEShu jAgarti
kAmaM kAmaM **puruShO** nirmamANaH |
tadEva SukraM tadbrahma tadEvAmRutamucyatE ||
tasmin lOkAH SritAH sarvE tadu nAtyEti kaScana |
Etadvaitat ||kaTakopanishad 2:2:8||
He, the highest Person, who is awake in us while we are asleep, shaping one lovely sight after another, that indeed is the Bright, that is Brahman, that alone is called the Immortal. All worlds are contained in it, and no one goes beyond. This is that
Again Purusha Sukta (Rig Veda 10:90) clearly states that this Purusha is with Form. ALL VEDAS SAY VEDIC GOD HAS FORM.
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A siege which will cause shortage over everything including fuel. So Ezekiel is to prophesize and say that cooking fuel will be so short, that Jews will not even have animal dung for fuel but will have to use human stools for fuel.
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Lets say it is prophecy….Why would any god in order to prove a prophecy force a person to eat food with human excrement (even as fuel)? Your god could have simply said the situation will get so bad, instead he orders his prophet to eat with human excrement….thats disgusting…..Cattle dung is a natural fuel available to fulfill the symbolism….instead he was asked to pick up fresh human excrement as a person excretes and cook…thats plain disgusting.. although the plan changed later….This is all bull shit….Besides your god has Bullock Dung as his hot favorite sin offering…
@Ron,
Much relief to see your comments without hate. You shared your experience with Indian religions. Today’s temples in India are not following the actual temple practices. Few temples in south west are different. A temple’s idol becomes an idol only after following elaborate rituals on agama/tantra vidhi. A great saint usually erect idols in temples. That’s why most Hindus have more faith in old temples. Just a statue of Lord Krishna will not make it idol. Strict pujas must be followed in those temples.
In Vedas God in true formless and attribute less is described beyond senses , imagination , space and time. Hinduism is absolute monism meaning we believe in existence of God only and universe , space, time etc. are non existent. Thus it is not monotheism where God is one but creation is real and separate entity from God. Same Vedas has personification of God. God assumes many forms for people to worship as he is beyond senses. The trinity (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva) comes in Vedas as Surya(Sun), Indra and Agni although words / Gods Vishnu and Shiva too are present in Vedas.
The characteristics of God incarnates or avatars such as Lord Krishna, Rama, Shiva etc are that they are without any sin, with absolute knowledge and desires. Such is the characteristics of God in Vedas and same you can see in puranic literature . Read Srimad Bhagavatam for instance.
The difference between our souls and God’s soul or God is we are born out of previous good merits and sins but avatars of God are for a purpose and not to receive the results of past deeds. Otherwise our soul = God’s soul = God (Again absolute monism). Once we realize the true nature of self we attain salvation. We don’t believe in eternal punishment for finite crimes man does in hell
Today there are extremely few people who know real Hinduism due to countless invasions and destruction of knowledge institutions, lack of knowledge in Sanskrit this religion is in ICU.
@Ali Sina/Ron
You have very much devotion for Jesus and Bible I just like to know what is purpose of the world or for which purpose God made this universe? What Bible or Christ said on this? Your answer may strengthen my faith in Bible or Christ?
@Ron
How Jesus died for the sin committed by me? Which are sins I did and when? I was not born when Jesus lived then How Jesus died for me?
Dear Truth Seeker, Vijay,
When I visited South Asia and China, I visited more temples, pagodas, gurdwaras and mosques. Being brought up in secularism I had a different view on Hinduism. I felt it was just a tolerant, idolatry and pantheistic religion of India.
But I found it was discriminatory to the core and specially towards its own adherents and I questioned the Hindus about it but almost all of them said “Sir, you don’t understand these people”. Even at the temples you could pay money and jump the queue and see the idols and get a pinch of food.
I know it saved my time and as a tourist I got away and was treated with privilege in sharp contrast to the locals who were treated with disdain because of caste, looks, stature etc. though they were Hindus. At some temples, they never allowed even tourists to go unless you bribe and put a Hindu mark on your forehead.
The gurdwaras and pagodas never did anything like this, but the thinking that moving the prayer drum in the pagoda was saying prayers to Buddha was not something believable to me. Some mosques never allowed entry but there was no queue. I liked the Sikh gurdwaras as they served food to people who came in vehicles, bikes or even walking but did not like that they never reached out to the real hungry and needy people in the streets just a few hundred meters away.
I concurred that all these the religions must have started with good intent of worshipping one God, who is without form (which even the Vedas says), help fellow humans in need but got contaminated, deviated and started worshipping idols, created things and started hating fellow humans along with a mix of good works..
Jesus was only different. His teachings of blessing those who hate you, forgiving those who hurt and curse you and helping and loving everyone irrespective of their faith, belief, sex, financial status, race, age, ethnic origin, prison status, country and his attitude towards you was out of this world, divine.
Such a person like Jesus cannot be a normal person, He must be God.
And that is why Jesus does appear to so many non-Christians in their NDEs,
Also, Jesus appears to so many Muslims in their dreams and visions,
Jesus reveals himself to all who sincerely search for God.
In spite of all the expletives Face the truth , Why/Continuum use, I don’t retaliate with expletives because the holders of these screen names and you, I, we all are made in the image of God.
Jesus has told us to pray and bless our enemies and not curse and use expletives. If we do the same as return hate for hate then we who follow Christ are no different than those who follow false gods.
When you accept Jesus, your level of compassion, forgiveness, love increases.
Jesus is the way, the truth and life.
I am not an expert on Bible, but I am giving you the answer.
Ezekiel is being told in advance that Israel (Jews) is straying away from the righteousness and from the ways of God and so God will not protect them from an impending siege by its enemies in the near future.
A siege which will cause shortage over everything including fuel. So Ezekiel is to prophesize and say that cooking fuel will be so short, that Jews will not even have animal dung for fuel but will have to use human stools for fuel.
God always moves by faith and prayers. That is His greatness. Even if a you or even a murderer repents then He will accept them also. It does not matter what sins but sincere repentance and not a show of it is important. God has made us and so can easily read us.
If God does not move by sincere prayers and faith then He is not God. But note that it is His bigger plan which we may not understand.
There are Billions of people in world who have not iota of knowledge about Jesus my mother and father among them. What will be their fate afterlife? If they enter in heaven without believing in Jesus, arrival of Jesus for them was futile.
@Vijay
Ron does not believe in any discussion. He has adopted Muslims style to abuse others and run out from logic.
@Ron,
First cool down. Please keep aside your hatred towards Hinduism for a while and answer me.
If God can assume one form (Jesus as you believe) what stops God from assuming many?
Islam is still out there. First finish it and then think of sharing spoils between us. Rather you are spreading baseless misinformation and hatred against Hinduism.
Jesus’ teachings were based on love and service though Christianity too is encrusted in the cruel Abrahamic -semitic religious framework which we Hindus will not buy.
Ron Says:
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The youtube video mentions worshipping cow stool (dung) by Indian Hindus.
Selling cow dung for worship is different from the primitive way of using cow dung for fuel.
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The title can say anything as anti-Hindu hating idiots like you can make up any title they want. The video is just showing some kids selling cow dung, for what purpose it is not mentioned. All they say is they get money for selling cow dung. Cow dun is most common form of fuel in Indian villages even these days..Its cheap and bio-degradable…
Can you show one Hindu text, where it says that one should worship cow dung? You cannot as it does not exist.
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In Ezekiel 4, God is commanding Ezekiel to perform a series of symbolic acts to prophesy to the people of what is to come. Some of these tasks are quite hard, such as sleeping on his side for over a year. One such command is for Ezekiel to cook his food with human poop/dung. Ezekiel was to use the poop as fuel for his cooking fire. The symbolic purpose was to teach Israel that they too would eat unclean food, as the human excrement would defile the food.
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What kind of bull shit is this? LOL!! Really !!! 🙂
Symbolism my ass….So your demon god for symbolism told Ezekiel to pick up fresh, juicy, smelly human excreta as Ezekiel himself or his neighbor poops and prepare bread with it and eat it….
and Ezekiel for symbolism ate bread with human excreta…. LOL 🙂 Your demon god could have simply told they would be eating unclean food, instead of asking Ezekiel to eat bread leavened with human excreta….
You are talking Bull Shit Ron as is ur demon god… 🙂
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But this is too much for the committed Ezekiel. If he were to eat this food, he would be undoing his life’s work in remaining pure in food. God instantly changes His mind and allows Ezekiel to use cow dung instead of human dung. This is an instant change of plan based on a real time prayer/petition. God’s original plan is modified to allow for the concerns of his prophet.
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So its not mere symbolism you LIAR…..Here Ezekiel was literally asked to pick up fresh juicy smelly human excreta as it was passed out by a human being (**in their sight** as Ezekiel 4:12 verse says) and eat with bread….Otherwise why would Ezekiel petition not to eat wit human excreta….Your argument clearly proves that your demon mad bible god asked Ezekiel to literally eat human excreta (not symbolic) leavened bread..
Second, you yourself say “God instantly changes His mind and allows Ezekiel to use cow dung”, when your demon god was petitioned by Ezekiel about food getting unclean with human dung….The implication is then that food cooked with cow dung is NOT unclean, even as per your demonic bible god….This proves that Hindus using cow dung does not make them unclean as per your demon god also…
Ron Says:
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God’s plans can change based on prayer and/or the desires of people . God’s plans are flexible and can change in an instant depending on prayer. What God declares does not necessarily come to past. God does not mind changing His plans to accommodate people so as to answer prayers.
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What kind of stupid god do you worship who changes his mind based on his worshiper’s prayers? What kind of god does not know human excreta stinks, smells and is unclean and later changes his mind?
The youtube video mentions worshipping cow stool (dung) by Indian Hindus.
Selling cow dung for worship is different from the primitive way of using cow dung for fuel.
In Ezekiel 4, God is commanding Ezekiel to perform a series of symbolic acts to prophesy to the people of what is to come. Some of these tasks are quite hard, such as sleeping on his side for over a year. One such command is for Ezekiel to cook his food with human poop/dung. Ezekiel was to use the poop as fuel for his cooking fire. The symbolic purpose was to teach Israel that they too would eat unclean food, as the human excrement would defile the food.
But this is too much for the committed Ezekiel. If he were to eat this food, he would be undoing his life’s work in remaining pure in food. God instantly changes His mind and allows Ezekiel to use cow dung instead of human dung. This is an instant change of plan based on a real time prayer/petition. God’s original plan is modified to allow for the concerns of his prophet.
This entire incident counters all sorts of classical theology. God’s plans can change based on prayer and/or the desires of people . God’s plans are flexible and can change in an instant depending on prayer. What God declares does not necessarily come to past. God does not mind changing His plans to accommodate people so as to answer prayers.
RON,
SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR YOU.. 🙂
PROFUT EZEKIEL ATE HIS OWN AND HIS NEIGHBOR’S HUMAN EXCRETA (PICKED UP FRESH, JUICY AND SMELLY) WITH HIS BREAD AS PER THE ORDERS OF THE demonic bible god.
Ezekiel 4:12,15:
12. And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, **in their sight**.
15. So He said to me, “See! I have given you **cattle dung** instead of human excrement, and you shall prepare your bread upon it.”
So you might say that God is cool with you eating your own excrement and cattle dung. So why are you so bothered Ron when your bible nut god and his prophets were ok with eating bread leavened with their own human and cattle dung?
BESIDES YOUR demonic bible god’s HOT FAVORITE FOOD IS ANIMAL AND HUMAN DUNG, WHICH HE LIKES TO EAT AS SIN OFFERING.
Clearly bible demon god has a certain fascination for blood, skin, dead human/animal corpses and THEIR DUNG IN PARTICULAR.
Burn with fire the flesh, blood, skin, and **dung** of the sin offering
Exodus 29:14
(YOUR demon god’s HOT FAVORITE, **BULL SHIT** AS SHOWN multiple references BELOW)
But the flesh of the **bullock**, and his skin, and **his dung**, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.
Leviticus 4:11
And the skin of the **bullock**, and all his flesh, with his head, and with his legs, and his inwards, and **his dung**,
Leviticus 8:17
But the **bullock**, and his hide, his flesh, and **his dung**, he burnt with fire without the camp; as the LORD commanded Moses.
Leviticus 16:27
And the **bullock** for the sin offering, and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place, shall one carry forth without the camp; and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and **their dung**.
Numbers 19:5
And one shall burn the **heifer** in his sight; her skin, and her flesh, and her blood, with **her dung**, shall he burn:
I think this should be enough for your ROn on justifying eating your own dung (both literally and metaphorically)
Ron Says:
We learnt that Hindus worshipping cows, snakes, dogs, pigs, monkey, rats, birds, trees, stones, skulls, penis, vagina, menstrual blood is primitive and illogical.
But worhsipping cow shit in Hinduism is a new low!!!!
It is not freedom in Hinduism as one of the posts was mentioning, rather it is insanity, satanic, demonic, primitive.
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Did I get on your nerve Ron, you silly bastard corpse worshiping crustian and filthy rotting pig corpse eater? LOL… 🙂 Did you eat from your demonic bible how your profut Ezekiel ate his own dung with bread? 🙂
Nobody among Hindus are worship cow dung…..Repeating lies does not make it true….
Now, do you know what is the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWrmmTOAotM) about you dumb ass crustian? Obviously you do not understand the language, otherwise you would not have posted this nonsense..
The children are selling cow dung as fuel….Dried cow dung is used as fuel for many purposes from cooking to heating anything….Cow dung is a good fuel that is available cheap and is used all over villages in India. The person is asking are there people who buy cow dung for fuel? The children say yes and that they earn money from this.
See the comment in the youtube video if you do not believe me..comment is made 6 years ago…
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Kk C 6 years ago
This is the time for these children to play &study but These children are selling cow dunk for supporting their parents by earning money
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We learnt that Hindus worshipping cows, snakes, dogs, pigs, monkey, rats, birds, trees, stones, skulls, penis, vagina, menstrual blood is primitive and illogical.
But worhsipping cow shit in Hinduism is a new low!!!!
It is not freedom in Hinduism as one of the posts was mentioning, rather it is insanity, satanic, demonic, primitive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWrmmTOAotM
Ron Says:
Watch Hindus worshipping cow dung (literal bull shit)
Is this freedom in religion or insanity?
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You are one dumb ass…..Using cow dung in rituals is not same as worshiping cow dung you moron. Hindus use so many products in rituals, including water, fire, bricks, sesame oil, butter, ghee, rice, flours etc. Does it mean they worship it?
Your demonic bible is quite ok with his prophet Ezekiel eat bread cooked with human excrement and he is quite ok cooked with cattle dung as well…I am flabbergasted as to why you should worry about bunch of Hindus taking bath in cattle dung, when your bible demon god is quite ok with his Prophet Ezekiel eating bread baked with fresh smelly human dung…(notice the verse below that says “thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.”)…it says “in their sight”…it means human dung is nice, wet, fresh and smelly….:)
Did Ezekiel wash his hands after touching his own human dung or seeing his neighbor excrete and picking his neighbor’s dung? There were no soaps among bible god’s followers…now imagine Ezekiel going for a nature call and picking his own dung to cook his bread and touching his bread with hands laced with his dung:) LOL 🙂 Lo profiteer muhammad also followed in profut ezekiel footsteps of drinking his own and camel’s urine…
Ezekiel 4:12,15:
12. And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, **in their sight**.
15. So He said to me, “See! I have given you **cattle dung** instead of human excrement, and you shall prepare your bread upon it.”
So you might say that God is cool with you eating your own excrement and cattle dung. So why are you so bothered Ron when your bible nut god and his prophets were ok with eating bread leavened with their own human and cattle dung? 🙂
Finally the mamzer jeebus clearly says that
Matthew 15
What Defiles a Man
10 Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “Listen and understand.
11 A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but” by what comes out of it.
🙂
BIBLE demon gOD ACCEPTS HUMAN AND ANIMAL DUNG AS SIN OFFERING…
Ron, when your bible demon god himself eats birds and animal poo poo as offering why are you bothered about Hindus bathing in cow dung?
Clearly bible demon god has a certain fascination for blood, skin, dead human/animal corpses and THEIR DUNG IN PARTICULAR.
Burn with fire the flesh, blood, skin, and dung of the sin offering
Exodus 29:14
But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.
Leviticus 4:11
And the skin of the bullock, and all his flesh, with his head, and with his legs, and his inwards, and his dung,
Leviticus 8:17
But the bullock, and his hide, his flesh, and his dung, he burnt with fire without the camp; as the LORD commanded Moses.
Leviticus 16:27
And the bullock for the sin offering, and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place, shall one carry forth without the camp; and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and their dung.
Numbers 19:5
And one shall burn the heifer in his sight; her skin, and her flesh, and her blood, with her dung, shall he burn:
I think this should be enough for your ROn on justifying eating your own dung (both literally and metaphorically)
Ron Says:
Watch Hindus worshipping cow dung (literal bull shit)
Is this freedom in religion or insanity?
Hindus throw toddlers (kids) in cow dungs as part of worship.
Is this freedom or insanity?
Jesus is the way, the truth and life
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Cow dung and Cow product is used in many sacred rituals in Hinduism. So this is all you have Ron 🙂
Now, how does this mean that worship of stinking corpse of adultery born jeebus is the way or the truth or the life? Clearly you are brain dead…
Now lets see, you crustians, sikhs who made the video etc. do not have any problem consuming rotting, stinking, dead corpses of animals including filthy pigs by burning them (you crustians are corpse eaters and corpse worshipers), but you have a problem when Hindus use cow dung in rituals, which they do not consume.
Hindus throw toddlers (kids) in cow dungs as part of worship.
Is this freedom or insanity?
Jesus is the way, the truth and life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hABn83FuS3M
Watch Hindus worshipping cow dung (literal bull shit)
Is this freedom in religion or insanity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ILNxvDW9BU
I am God.
Dear muslims, who asked you to call me by name Allah?
I am beyond your senses and imagination and yet you say I spoke to moses and many so called prophets and angels?
Who said I created jannah, angels, jinn, adam and satan? it is your imagination!!
I am beyond space and time and you say I am in jannah or I am sitting in a throne? (Quran 67:17 to 67:19)
Thus you define me in your own way but if non muslims calls me by different names, imagine forms of me and try to worship me in their ways you attack them!! who gave you the right to ridicule other religions and harm others?
Ali Sina Says:
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John 12: (47)As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
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Were you able to sleep Ali Sina after finding this verse? 🙂
So you quote this verse to justify your **belief** or rather **lack of belief** in some of the words of your man-god jeebus (THAT he died for sins of the world) from the gospels, that he does not judge you for this. Wait, not so quickly….
In some actual versions of Greek texts, some use “κ. μὴ φυλάξῃ = kai mē phylaxē = and not keep (them)” and some use “κ. μὴ πιστεύσῃ = kai mē pisteusē = and NOT believe” for verse John 12:47
Both the Greek version of texts in effect have the same meaning, that the person DOES NOT BELIEVE IN man-god jeebus and that jeebus does NOT judge them for “rejecting his words” by implication “rejecting him”.
Mark 8:38
Whoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
CLEARLY ALI SINA YOU ARE ASHAMED OF JEEBUS’ WORDS THAT HE CAME TO THIS WORLD TO COMMIT SUICIDAL RITUAL HUMAN SACRIFICE…. 🙂
What does man-god jeebus mean that he does not judge them? During jeebus’ ministry on Earth, he imagined himself to have come to Earth for saving all, and therefore NOT to judge people when he, jeebus, is on Earth…This is what man-god jeebus means in John 12:47.
Now lets see John 12:48
Ali Sina Says:
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John 12: (48)There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
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So, here, jeebus is saying that one who does NOT believe or receive his words will be punished by his imaginary judge, “god the father”.
Since, Ali Sina, you have NOT received jeebus’ words fully from goose-pels, you will be judged and punished. Jeebus will be ashamed of you on Judgment day, since you are ashamed of deluded mentally retarded suicidal words of jeebus coming to die for the sins of the world.
AS FOR US WE NETHER BELIEVE IN MAMZER JEEBUS NOR THE illogical DECEITFUL LIES HE HAS UTTERED. LOGIC PROVES THIS AND NOW YOU HAVE REDUCED YOURSELF AS AN ILLOGICAL CRUSTIAN BELIEVER WHO THREATENS WITH HELL…..THIS IS WHAT ALL THE ABRAHAMIC BELIEVERS DO…JUST LIKE MUHAMMAD DID WITH FEAR OF HELL..
John 12: (47)As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. (48)There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
Matthew 10:33
“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
Luke 12:9
but he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
There is no moderate Islam and no moderate muslims. These so called moderate muslims are actually bad muslims. Please read Ali SIna’s article The good, the bad and the ugly to understand this point. Unfortunately these moderate muslims provide the solid foundation for the Islamic ideology to take hold.
[Screen-name Dinesh says:
Jesus as the best example of love and compassion did never ever say that he does not loves those who do not love him, He was even more compassionate and loving to those who killed him.]
Screen-name Dinesh is a typical Christian liar.
A Christian liar will spread falsehoods; because, Christianism is entirely based on one historic lie after another!
‘The New English Bible version of the New Testament published jointly by Oxford and Cambridge universities in 1961 A.D. mentions many instances where passages have been inserted or taken out.
The most significant example is that of John 8.11 which tells the story of how Jesus saved from being stoned a woman caught in adultery.
“This passage, which in the most widely received editions of the New Testament is printed in the text of John 7.53-8.11, has NO fixed place in our ancient manuscripts.
Some of them DO NOT contain it at all.
Some place it after Luke 21.38, others after John 7.36 or 7.52, or 21.24.”
In any case, the story DOES NOT occur in any manuscript prior to the end of the fourth century A.D.
Scholars are now agreed that it is an interpolation.
Similar is the case of Luke 23.34 where Jesus is made to cry from the cross:
“FATHER, FORGIVE THEM; THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.”
Incidentally, these are precisely the two statements, apart from the Sermon on the Mount, which M.K. GANDHI and M.K. GANDHI’s followers quote about Jesus most frequently.
No Christian missionary or no Christian theologian is known to have informed the Indian “Hindu” admirers of Jesus that these two statements form NO part of the authenticated teachings of Jesus.’
Dinesh Says:
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Jesus as the best example of love and compassion did never ever say that he does not loves those who do not love him,
He was even more compassionate and loving to those who killed him..
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Ali Sina Says:
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But God does not love those who do not love Him, worship the Devil instead and kill His children.
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This man-god jeebus is not only not forgiving to so called devil-worshippers, he is absolutely unforgiving to those who do NOT accept jeebus as “god”…and wishes for eternal torment of unbelievers in hell….This is not characteristic of a forgiving loving “god”, but of a demonic hate filled creature…This is akin to Mohammad or underworld Don or terrorist who wil kill those who do not listen to him and does not accept him. These human beings kill only the body and its over, but this demonic mamzer jeebus wants to send all unbelievers to eternal torment in hell…..This demon Jeebus is worse than these terrorists who tortures souls for eternity…
Matthew 10
14 And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.
15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
IN THE ABOVE VERSES, the adultery born bastard jeebus shows his real heart, where he wishes eternal hell for those who do not accept his demonic teachings that he is son of OT demon-god. Clearly, bastard jeebus is a hypocrite, who teaches one thing for others and holds unlimited hatred for those who do not accept him.
Not only this, mamzer jeebus is responsible for laying the very foundation of antisemitism. CRUSTIANS AND ALI SINA LIE AS USUAL..
Lets see how much this illicitly born bastard jeebus sowed the seeds of anti-semitism…so much for so called forgiveness…
Demon son jeebus calls Jews as sons of devil, sowing seeds of Jew hatred…..name calling…
“Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8.43-47)
Jeebus wishes death and torture for his enemies, the jews…Bastard jeebus wishes eternal hell for jews….so much for love…
“The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 8.12)
Bastard Jeebus calls Jews as the murderers of prophets, just like QURAN CALLS the Jews
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38) Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children” (Matthew 27:25). 1 “But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)
“Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?” Quran. 2:91
The last two lines looks as your own interpretation of likes and dislikes of God,
Jesus as the best example of love and compassion did never ever say that he does not loves those who do not love him,
He was even more compassionate and loving to those who killed him..
http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/download/satyarth_prakash_eng.pdf
Preta (in Sanskrit) really means a dead body, and Bhuta means who is deceased.
In support of this contention we quote Manu:- “After his death, the pupil who helps in cremating his teacher’s Preta is purified in ten days together with other people who carry the Preta in the crematorium.” * MANU 5: 65.
It is clear, then, that Preta in the above quotation cannot mean anything else but the dead body.
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The scoundrel Dayananda who quoted selectively Manu Smriti verse to support his interpretation, sneakily avoided many other verses from the same Manu smriti which talk about Preta as ghosts…
12.70. But (men of the four) castes who have relinquished without the pressure of necessity their proper occupations, will become the servants of Dasyus, after migrating into despicable bodies.
12.71. A Brahmana who has fallen off from his duty (becomes) an Ulkamukha Preta, who feeds on what has been vomited; and a Kshatriya, a Kataputana (Preta), who eats impure substances and corpses.
12.72. A Vaisya who has fallen off from his duty becomes a Maitrakshagyotika Preta, who feeds on pus; and a Sudra, a Kailasaka (Preta, who feeds on moths).
The same Manu smriti which Dayananda quoted selectively also talks about different kinds of Pretas aka ghosts..
Now why did Dayananda selectively quote what suits him? Dayananda is a scoundrel hypocrite and a con man, who wanted to start his own religion with his own interpretation. It is said that sinful people die a horrible excruciating death in Hinduism. One who misinterprets Vedas, especially dies in young age and/or dies in excruciating pain. This has been the case with few others, just like Dayananda who dies with excriciating pain of being poisoned. All sinful people die in pain.
Hindu Says:
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There is no existence of demon or devil. When a soul wrapped by evil thoughts it acts like demon.
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According to your stupid arya samaji theory, how a soul gets “wrapped by evil thoughts”? How does a soul which is essentially same (qualitatively identical not numerically identical), in all living creatures, one of them performs good actions, while others perform bad actions? Why is there difference, when all souls are qualitatively identical? Neither your dumb ass founder nor any of arrogant stupid Arya Samajis like you can answer this question..
Hindu Says:
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@Cantinuum oh come on from your imiginary world of ghost. Insane Charistian like Ron enough for this.
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Really!!! stupid Arya Samaji….Did you know your stupid founder has written about ghosts in his “asatyarthaprakash”? 🙂
Did Mr. Dayanand believe in disembodied soul? Yes, he believed souls transmigrate after death through wind, grains etc. into another suitable body….What happens after death and before rebirth? Soul is disembodied floating around in elements in wind like a ghost? SO there are invisible disembodied souls (ghosts) which can exist as per Dayanand…..So there you go…..If souls can exist without body, disembodied in nature, then by implication disembodied evil souls aka devils can also exist…What logical argument stupid Dayanand have except assertion against non-existence of these while he himself believes in effect the same….
Your stupid Dayananda does not have anything logical to refute it…..all he does is make assertions that bhuta, preta does not exist….There is elaborate sraddha rituals in Hinduism which relieve ancestors from different stages of being preta after death…..Manu smriti which your Dayananda quotes, talks about preta aka ghosts…
3.230. A tear sends the (food) to the Pretas (ghosts), anger to his enemies, a falsehood to the dogs, contact with his foot to the Rakshasas, a shaking to the sinners.
12.59. Men who delight in doing hurt (become) carnivorous (animals); those who eat forbidden food, (become) worms; thieves, creatures consuming their own kind; those who have intercourse with women of the lowest castes, (become) Pretas.
12.60. He who has associated with outcasts, he who has approached the wives of other men, and he who has stolen the property of a Brahmana become Brahmarakshasas.
The scoundrel Dayanand quotes Manu Smriti 5:65 in his “astyarthaprakash” to support his interpretation that Preta means dead body, however, the same scoundrel avoids numerous mention of ghosts, brahmatakshas, Rakshas , pretas as ghosts and other demons in the same Manu smriti.
Ron Says:
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Jesus in the Vedas
Sanskrit verses from the Hindu Vedas and their meanings
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Not one so called Sanskrit Vedic verses you quoted exist in reality….The Sanskrit verses are completely made up or some are NOT even in Sanskrit.
A Hindu
There are only three entity exist whose existence are eternal i.e. God, Souls and primordial matter from which God makes this world like earth sun planets water air etc etc for soul’s consumption
@Cantinuum oh come on from your imiginary world of ghost. Insane Charistian like Ron enough for this.
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So you are the same dumb ass Arya Samaji idiot under different screen names who posted before as well…
So in your world view, there is room for invisible “souls” and invisible “God”, which are NOT imaginary in your view, but a “ghost” or “devil” is imaginary for you…If you can believe in existence of infinite number of invisible (not imaginary) souls, where is the problem in believing existence of demonic souls aka devils…..You have no logical point to refute it except your stupid evil sinful Dayanand Saraswati who died an excruciating death because of his sins did not include this in his teachings.
The Devil aka Kali Purusha (most evil soul) is very much part of Hinduism as shown from Mahabhratha just as Parama Purusha aka God is part of Hinduism as shown from the same Mahabharatha.
Jesus in the Vedas
Sanskrit verses from the Hindu Vedas and their meanings
Om Shri brahmaputhraye namaha– what does this mean?
The only begotten son I worship thee. Who is the only begotten Son? It is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Om shri Martha Namaha– the Holy Spirit of God I worship thee. (Who is the Holy Spirit of God? Again it is the Lord Jesus Christ.)
Om shri Kannisuthayeha namaha-which means the Lord who is born to a virgin.
Om vidyshtayaha Namaha– the Lord who had the circumcision I worship thee.
Om shri Panchkayika namaha- the Lord who had the five injuries for the sake of mankind.
Om shri vriksh shula arudayaka nama vrisha pondha marthil shulathil siluthayil baliyanavare, umbaye nan namaskarikunen. Who is the Lord who died on the cross of Calvary? ( All this is our Lord Jesus Christ. Our God is not a dead God. It is true that he came as a messiah to this world. He preached the gospel. He cancelled the devils and the demons. He healed the sick people ad brought salvation to so many people and finally he died on the cross of Calvary, he was buried but he did not become sand.)
Om Shri mrithyu nayaya namaha meaning the Lord who resurrected from the depths of the Earth on the third day I worship thee”.
To all who don’t know Christ.
Wars were always there in every part of the world and will always be there.
Wars will be there even if UN is there or not there.
Wars will be there even if all your enemies (Muslims and Christians of the whole world) are somehow taken away. In India, it will be open season Brahmins and the upper castes vs the Dalits and the other local castes.
Wars may end only when there is a one world government which can happen at the severe loss of personal liberties and loss of freedom of religion.
Many people have prophesised that it can happen in the future but we never know when.
The rise of dystopian fictions/books all point in the same direction.
India was never a utopia before the British and the Muslims conquered it. In fact, it was a land of divided Hindu kingdoms warring against each other. Traveling every 250 kms in India you needed a scroll with seals /permit.
The feudal and caste system existed and was perpetuated by the upper castes since thousands of years.
Some of you have been indoctrinated by hate and only love of Jesus can save you.
Anyways try saying this prayer (you don’t have to admit you said the prayer)
Oh, God who created me, show me the right path to love,
Show me the way to worship you,
Reveal yourself to me so that I can sincerely follow you.
I believe in the religion of my parents and I am continuing to follow it.
Oh, my true Creator and My true God come to me in dreams and visions and confirm that I am following your ways and confirm if I am not following your ways.
Reconfirm that you are my God through third persons and I will then follow your path even if it is path I least expected.
Many people have challenged the one true living God and have surprisingly come to the saving grace of Jesus.
This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:
[Dear Face the truth,…]
DO NOT ADDRESS UNKNOWN PEOPLE IN CONDESCENDING TONE.
I AM NOT SEEKING FRIENDSHIP OF A CHRISTIAN M*****F***** LIKE YOURSELF.
[Love is the solution to all your issues.]
SO, HOW COME YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST’S “LOVE” HASN’T SOLVED ALL PROBLEMS IN THE PAST 2000 YEARS.
RATHER, FROM THE COMMENCEMENT OF YOUR CHRISTIANISM, WORLDWIDE BLOODY WARS HAVE ONLY INCREASED.
[Please see the film “Hotel Rwanda” (it is available on youtube) and also the film “Facing the devil”.]
DO NOT INSTRUCT ME TO WATCH YOUR BULL$HIT CHRISTIAN MOVIES AND BULL$HIT CHRISTIAN VIDEOS.
BECAUSE, I KNOW THE BLOODY HISTORY OF YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST.
[Neighbours turned against neighbours and committed rape, gang-rape, pedophilia and machete and gun attacks against Tutsis and robbed them of their belongings.]
SO, WHY DID YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S RAPE MOTHERS, SISTERS AND DAUGHTERS OF NON-BELIEVERS OF YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST ALL OVER THE WORLD IN THE PAST 2000 YEARS?
SO, STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****.
I DO NOT ENGAGE MYSELF IN DIALOGUES WITH MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S LIKE YOURSELF.
BECAUSE, ENGAGING IN DIALOGUES WITH MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S LIKE YOURSELF MEANS ISLAMISM AND CHRISTIANISM ARE EQUAL TO SANATANA DHARMA WHEN THEY ARE INHERENTLY NOT.
A MUSLIM BASTARD OR A CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S LIKE YOURSELF MAY LIKE TO BELIEVE IN WHATEVER S/HE LIKES.
BUT, WHEN YOU TRY TO IMPOSE YOUR HISTORIC CHRISTIAN AND ISLAMIC FALSEHOOD IN ME, I WILL HAVE NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO BREAK THE MAJOR BONES OF YOUR BODY WITH AN IRON-ROD.
AND, WITH SEVERAL MAJOR BROKEN BONES YOUR BODY WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE YOUR CHRISTIAN IDOL JESUS F**KING CHRIST HANGING ON THE GALLOWS.
[As you call Muslims as mosquitoes, please remember that even Hutus used to call Tutsis as cockroaches. This name calling and hate-mongering does not go well.]
NO, I AM TALKING LOGIC BASED ON RECORDED HISTORY AND COMMONSENSE.
MOSQUITOES SPREAD MALARIA.
CHRISTIANITY SPREAD FALSEHOODS, DIVISIONS, AND GENOCIDE.
ISLAM SPREAD GENOCIDE AND TERRORISM.
SO, IN ORDER TO ERADICATE MALARIA, CIVILIZED HUMANS HAVE TO DESTROY THE MOSQUITOES.
This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:
[The rioting and ethnic cleansing did not result in victory for the Hutus. Instead the minority Tutsis who went into hiding engaged in a bush war and slowly armed themselves, regrouped with the help of neighbouring countries and took over Rwanda.]
WHAT YOU’VE JUST DESCRIBED IS WHAT OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS DID DURING MEDIEVAL TIME AFTER EVERY SUCCESSFUL ISLAMIC MILITARY VICTORY IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.
MIDDLE-EASTERN MUSLIMS FIRST MIGRATED TO INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ON MASS-SCALE AND COMFORTABLY SETTLED IN “HINDU”-MOTHERLAND.
AND, THOSE SETTLED MIGRATORY-MUSLIMS ACTED AS EYES AND EARS OF SUBSEQUENT FOREIGN MUSLIM INVADERS IN THE GUISE OF PRACTICING A “VERY PEACEFUL” ISLAM.
AND, THEN, AFTER A SUCCESSFUL ISLAMIC INVASION, FOREIGN MUSLIMS BECAME RULERS AND ISLAMIC LAW-GIVERS IN VARIOUS PARTS OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT WHILE SELLING MOTHERS, SISTERS, AND DAUGHTERS OF NON-BELIEVERS INTO SEXUAL SLAVERY AS WELL AS IMPOSING HEAVY PUNITIVE TAXES ON NON-BELIEVERS OF ISLAM IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.
BUT, OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS DID NOT GIVE UP AND OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS DID NOT ABANDON THEIR FOREFATHERS’ FAITH — EXCEPT FOR THOSE WHO WERE THE LIKES OF M.K. GANDHI AND M.K. GANDHI’S FOLLOWERS.
AND, OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS RE-GROUPED AND RE-CLAIMED THEIR MOTHERLAND AGAIN AND AGAIN FROM FOREIGN MUSLIM AND FOREIGN CHRISTIAN INVADERS.
THAT’S WHY — DUE TO OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS’ NEVER-ENDING SACRIFICES — VAST MAJORITY OF INDIANS TODAY DO NEITHER BELIEVE IN YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST, NOR BELIEVE IN MUHAMMAD THE ARABIAN BASTARD.
[They are now having a power-sharing deal with Hutus but the President who has power is a Tutsi.]
DO NOT TELL ME TO SHARE SANATANA DHARMA WITH YOUR PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN SEMITIC BARBARISM.
This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:
[I see a parallel between what happened in Rwanda to what might in India as the Hindu fanatical government encourages hatred and persecution of minorities.]
IF YOU REALLY SEE A “PARALLEL”, PLEASE QUIT INDIA NOW.
BECAUSE, IF YOU’RE ALREADY SEEING THE “PARALLEL”, THINGS WILL ONLY GET WORSE FOR YOU — CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S AND MUSLIM BASTARDS.
[It is only the Indian media which is free and the diverse opposition parties which pander to their bases have not allowed ethnic cleansing riots to begin.]
OF COURSE, YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S AND MUSLIM BASTARDS MAKE ALLIANCES WITH ANTI-“HINDU” INDIANS WHO WANT SANATANA DHARMA TO DISAPPEAR FROM EARTH.
HIGHLY-PAID INDIAN COLLEGE PROFESSORS WRITE THAT, INDIA IS DOOMED BECAUSE OF MAJORITY OF INDIANS’ BELIEFS IN THEIR FOREFATHERS’ FAITH.
SO-CALLED INDIAN COMMUNIST PARTY OFFICIALS AND THE INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY PEOPLE CONTINUE TO PANDER MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S FOR VOTES IN ORDER TO PERPETUALLY STAY IN HIGHLY-PAID POLITICAL OFFICES.
INDIAN “HINDU” TAX-PAYERS FINANCIALLY SUBSIDIZE ISLAMIC MOSQUES, ISLAMIC MADRASSAS, ISLAMIC KHANKAS, AND ISLAMIC PILGRIMAGES TO SAUDI ARABIA.
INDIAN “HINDUS’ CANNOT WRITE OR PUBLISH ANYTHING THAT “OFFENDS” INDIAN MUSLIMS BECAUSE OF BRITISH CHRISTIAN MOTH**F**KERS’ ANTI-BLASPHEMY LAWS IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT — WHEN BRITISH CHRISTIAN MOTH**F**KERS USED TO RULE.
This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:
[Don’t push minorities into going into rebellion.]
I DO NOT TAKE ORDERS FROM CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S LIKE YOURSELF.
GO INTO REBELLION.
I WILL BE GLAD TO SEE THE MINORITIES — CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS — ARE IN OPEN REBELLION.
DON’T WAIT.
IT’S THE HIGH TIME.
NO SECRECY HERE.
WHAT YOU MINORITIES HAVE BEEN DOING SECRETLY FOR PAST 200 YEARS IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT, I WANT TO SEE THAT IN OPEN SPACE — WITHOUT SECRECY.
INDIAN “HINDUS” KNOW THAT, AFTER THE OPEN BATTLE OF KURUKSHETRA, SANATANA DHARMA PREVAILED.
[It is a heavy price to pay.]
INDIAN “HINDUS” ARE ALREADY PAYING THE HEAVY PRICES EVERYDAY TODAY FOR ALLOWING THE MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S TO STAY IN INDEPENDENT INDIA AND FOR NOT SENDING MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S TO PAKISTANS IN 1947 A.D.
[Ask the Sri Lankans,…]
YOU ASK THEM.
[Ask the Punjabis…]
YOU BRITISH CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S DEFEATED THE SIKHS — MILITARILY — IN ORDER TO DELIVER SIKH-CONTROLLED AREAS TO MUSLIM BASTARDS TO CREATE NORTH-WEST FRONTIER PROVINCE (I.E., WEST PAKISTAN).
[…and Ask the Lebanese.]
YOU AMERICAN CHRISTIAN C.I.A. M*****F*****S CREATED ISLAMIC TERRORIST GROUPS IN LEBANON.
[Try to win Muslims with genuine love.]
“HINDU” TRAITOR M.K. GANDHI AND HIS FOLLOWERS HAVE TRIED YOUR CHRISTIAN “LOVE” A LOT.
BUT, APPARENTLY, THAT CHRISTIAN “LOVE” OF TRAITOR M.K. GANDHI AND FOLLOWERS DID NOT WORK.
BECAUSE, IF I GIVE AN INCH TO A MUSLIM BASTARD AND A CHRISTIAN M*****F*****, THE MUSLIM BASTARD AND THE CHRISTIAN M*****F***** DEMAND AN ENTIRE FOOT FROM ME.
This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:
[I know you can’t because with Hinduism you cannot have love…]
SO, IF YOU ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ME, WHY ARE YOU WASTING YOUR TIME IN INSTRUCTING ME WITH YOUR CHRISTIAN FALSEHOODS?
[…(you can only have lust from lustful sex-maniac Gods).]
SEE THE PROBLEM HERE.
YOU HAVE ALREADY CONCLUDED THAT INDIAN “HINDUS” “only have lust from lustful sex-maniac gods”, THEN WHY DO YOU EVEN BOTHER BEING IN INDIA OR BEING INVOLVED WITH INDIAN “HINDUS”?
SHOULDN’T YOU BE WITH YOUR CHRISTIAN CHILD-MOLESTERS NOW AS WELL AS BE WITH YOUR MUSLIM-BASTARD-BROTHERS IN MIDDLE-EAST WHO SELL CHRISTIAN GIRLS INTO ISLAMIC SEXUAL-SLAVERY TO THIS DAY?
[For genuine love, you need Jesus only.]
FOR GENUINE PEACE AND LOVE, I WANT YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F***** DEAD ONCE AND FOR ALL.
PLEASE TELL ME WHEN YOU WILL DIE.
[Jesus is the way, the truth and life.]
YOUR FICTITIOUS JESUS F**KING CHRIST WAS ACTUALLY A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE 2000 YEARS AGO.
AND, A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE IS NOT THE WAY OF LIFE FOR NON-BELIEVERS.
[When people with lots of in-built hate accept Jesus, they change 180 degrees and in turn spread tremendous love and the message of Jesus without fear, without money and with malice towards none.]
I DO NOT HAVE “HATE”.
I HAVE THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY IN MY HAND.
According to nasa sanskrit language is most scientific language for computer i think bible is not in sanskrit. Ancient Hindu were much advanced than charistains
There are only three entity exist whose existence are eternal i.e. God, Souls and primordial matter from which God makes this world like earth sun planets water air etc etc for soul’s consumption
@Cantinuum oh come on from your imiginary world of ghost. Insane Charistian like Ron enough for this.
A Hindu
There is no existence of demon or devil. When a soul wrapped by evil thoughts it acts like demon.
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Hinduism does have a devil or demon….It is a male being called Kali Purusha. Duryodhana is incarnation of Kali Purusha, the devil.
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http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01068.htm
**The evil-minded and wicked king Duryodhana, the destroyer of the fair fame of the Kurus, was born of a portion of Kali on earth.** He it was who caused all creatures to be slain and the earth to be wasted; and he it was who fanned the flame of hostility that ultimately consumed all. They who had been the sons of Pulastya (the Rakshasas) were born on earth among men of Duryodhana’s brothers, that century of wicked individuals commencing with Duhasasana as their first. And, O bull among the Bharata princes, Durmukha, Duhsaha, and others whose names I do not mention, who always supported Duryodhana (in all his schemes), were, indeed, the sons of Pulastya.
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On the other hand, Kālī (/ˈkɑːli/; Sanskrit: काली) is a goddess. She is destroyer of evil forces. Ron, the fool does NOT know the difference between the two, as English language has limited letters ad does not differentiate between a long “ā” and a short “a”.
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The proof that Kali is a demon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_(demon)
In Hinduism, Kali (Devanāgari: कलि, IAST: kali, with both vowels short; from a root kad, “suffer, grieve, hurt; confound, confuse”) is the reigning lord of Kali Yuga and archenemy of Kalki, the 10th and final Avatar of the Hindu God Vishnu.
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You stupid god damned idiot follower of bastard jeebus…..I have already clarified this you brainless useless fellow…do you have a brain?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali
Kālī (/ˈkɑːli/; Sanskrit: काली), also known as Kālikā (Sanskrit: कालिका), is a Hindu goddess. Kali is one of the ten Mahavidyas, a list which combines Sakta and Buddhist goddesses.
Kālī (/ˈkɑːli/; Sanskrit: काली), a goddess is absolutely different from Kali (Devanāgari: कलि), the male demon. Learn some phonetics you dumb ass…
“ā” in Kālī is a long “a”, while “a” in Kali is a short “a”. These are two different words.
@Ron
Kaliyuga is nothing but division of time. Indian Rishis divided the time in four parts Satyayuga which is of 1728000 years 2.Treta Yuga of 1296000 years 3 Dwapar Yuga 864000 years last and final Kaliyuga of 432000 years. This division of time made to record events happening on earth from its creation. It has nothing to do with good of bad. As it is January month next will be February. We divided the time to records date of events happened.
@Ron
There is no existence of demon or devil. When a soul wrapped by evil thoughts it acts like demon.
The proof that Kali is a demon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_(demon)
In Hinduism, Kali (Devanāgari: कलि, IAST: kali, with both vowels short; from a root kad, “suffer, grieve, hurt; confound, confuse”) is the reigning lord of Kali Yuga and archenemy of Kalki, the 10th and final Avatar of the Hindu God Vishnu. In the Kalki Purana, he is portrayed as a demon and the source of all evil. In the Mahabharata, he was a gandharva who possessed Nala, forcing him to lose his Kingdom in a game of dice to his brother Pushkara. His most famous incarnations are Ravana and Duryodhana. Kali is similar to the demon Kroni and his incarnation Kaliyan of Ayyavazhi mythology.
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Christ paid the ultimate price for our ignorance and sin. But this was not planned by God. God does not need blood to ransom anyone. He demands no sacrifice, let alone that of His own son. Those who crucified Jesus, were not fulfilling God’s will. They were an ingenuous people, committing a grave sin.
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Mamzer jeebus paid for his sins according to your quote…”the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself”
According to your quote, jeebus was bearing the fruits of his own wickedness for calling himself as God or son of God, while he was merely a human born sin through adultery….
One could also say, he was punished for the iniquity of his adulterous mother as well..as per Devarim – Deuteronomy – Chapter 23:2
If mamzer jeebus was righteous, without sin or wickedness and actually son of God, why didn’t God save him? The fruits of the wicked and sinful shall be suffering only.
Besides, how do you know your mamzer jeebus did not believe he died for the sins of the world….THIS IS VERY CLEAR FROM JEEBUS’ OWN WORDS IN THE GOOSE-PELS…
John 18:11
Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?” (Jeebus planned to die through torture as it is his god’s idea)
John 10:18
**No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord.** **I have authority to lay it down** and authority to take it up again. **This command I received from my Father.**”
John 10:15 Young’s Literal Translation
according as the Father doth know me, and I know the Father, and my life I lay down for the sheep,
John 10:11
“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
John 10:17
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life–only to take it up again.
Matthew 17:22-23
He said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.” But they did not understand what he meant and were afraid to ask him about it.
Mark 8:31–33, Matthew 16:21–28, Luke 9:22–27 (get thee behind me satan episodes in different goose-pels), Mark 9:30–32, Matthew 20:17–19 all say that mamzer jeebus knew about his impending death.
ALL THE FOUR GOOSE-PELS UNANIMOUSLY DECLARE THIS AS SHOWN ABOVE.
BASED ON WHAT CRITERIA DO YOU REJECT THEM? YOU CANNOT CLAIM THE REASON FOR REJECTION AS “BECAUSE IT IS ILLOGICAL”. It is possible that mamzer jeebus in fact believed in the illogical delusions. You have to give more than merely “it is illogical, therefore I do not believe” reason for your rejection. You know jeebus existed only from goose-pels.
You chose to believe he is son of god, but reject his suicidal riualistic absolution of sins of mankind, only because it conflicts with your logical mind. The idea of son of god, born through combination of semen and eggs with 9 month gestation period however does not bother your mind. Without the scrifice of jeebus, the entire stry of jeebus is useless and merely about another man who went around teaching some nonsense…
ALi sina you must have a proper reason to reject goose-pel accounts, especially jeebus’ own words…Only a con-man like you will choose and pick what he wants without proper reason…
Ali Sina Says:
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Christ paid the ultimate price for our ignorance and sin. But this was not planned by God. God does not need blood to ransom anyone. He demands no sacrifice, let alone that of His own son. Those who crucified Jesus, were not fulfilling God’s will. They were an ingenuous people, committing a grave sin.
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Mamzer jeebus paid for his sins according to your quote…”the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself”
According to your quote, jeebus was bearing the fruits of his own wickedness for calling himself as God or son of God, while he was merely a human born sin through adultery….
One could also say, he was punished for the iniquity of his adulterous mother as well..as per Devarim – Deuteronomy – Chapter 23:2
If mamzer jeebus was righteous, without sin or wickedness and actually son of God, why didn’t God save him? The fruits of the wicked and sinful shall be suffering only.
Besides, how do you know your mamzer jeebus did not believe he died for the sins of the world….THIS IS VERY CLEAR FROM JEEBUS’ OWN WORDS IN THE GOOSE-PELS…BASED ON WHAT CRITERIA DO YOU REJECT THEM? YOU CANNOT CLAIM THE REASON FOR REJECTION AS “BECAUSE IT IS ILLOGICAL”,
It is possible that mamzer jeebus in fact believed in the illogical delusions. ALi sina you must have a proper reason to reject goose-pel accounts, especially jeebus’ own words…Only a con-man like you will choose and pick what he wants without proper reason…
Ali Sina Says:
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I am not a fraud, but how a bigot like you would know that?
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Why I am abigot Ali Sina….If you can criticize Islam and not be a bigot, I can also criticize crustianity, adultery born mamzer jeebus and not be a bigot.
On the contrary, you have shown yourself as an ultimate bigot and also a con-man…
Alin Sina said:
“While I do not think all Hindu deities have divine origin and most likely the godess kali is a demonic entity,
What do you know about the Hindu deity “goddess kali” to make a comment like that above? Only a criustian bigot will make such statement without even knowing anything about Hinduism…When I call adultery born mamzer jeebus as a bastard, there is a reason for that which I provide from the goose-pels themselves….However, what reason do you have for calling “goddess Kali” or other Hindu deities? None, only your bigoted idiotic crustian belief that all other religious symbols and deities are demonic….YOU ARE A BIGOTTED CRUSTIAN ALI SINA…AND A HYPOCRITE…
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Jesus did not come to die on the cross. This is a Christian dogma.
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I thought you claimed christianity is not a religion, but salvation….is salvation a dogma by implication it is a religion?
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Christians made this up because they could not explain why the son of God could be crucified. So they said it was all planned. That is absurd.
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I thought you said you were a crustian….so lets just say you are a pick and chose what you want type of half-crustian…AT the least you understand crustian idea of dying for others salvation is nonsense and absurd.
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Ezekiel 18:20 says: “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.” This is a divine law. God does not make up new rules based on situations. His laws are universal and they all make sense. Christianity is not dogmatic, as Christians have made it look.
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Ali Ali…..This is old tetsament or Jewish teachings…..not crustian teaching….
Second, I will bring another verse from old testament which teaches completely the opposite…
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9987#showrashi=true
Devarim – Deuteronomy – Chapter 23
3 A bastard shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even the tenth generation shall not enter the assembly of the Lord.
You see, at the least ten generations have to pay for the sins of one guy who engaged in adultery…So how do you deal with the contradiction within old testament? Here, offsprings up to at the least ten generations bear the iniquity of a forefather….
Why do you pick and chose only what suits you Ali? You are a certified con-man…
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Love is not a dogma from the Old Testament. It is the core of the message of Jesus. If you find fault even with this teachings, you are a misguided soul and I see no hope in you.
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So what kind of love this man-god of you teaches? Lets see it from his own words……Lets see if you have the brains to analyze it…
Matthew 15
The Faith of the Canaanite Woman
25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.”
26 And he answered, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
27 She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”
Why did ur man-god call the woman equal to a dog? does unconditional love call others as dogs? Your man-god was simply following old tetsament principles…
You may love your enemies or unbelievers as you love your dog. This is clear evidence from Jeebus himself that THERE IS CLEAR DISNTINCTION BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND UNBELIEVERS. Also note the following
Matthew 5:48: And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
Luke 12:45-48: “The lord [owner] of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Note these are man-god jeebus’ own sayings in goose-pels. Clearly brothers who are believers are contrasted with unbelievers who are pagans and referred as enemies…
The love your man-god taught is not that all encompassing. It is merely a retelling of old testament principles, where believers and unbelievers are separated and segregated into different classes.
SO MUCH FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR MAMZER MAN-gOD JEEBUS.
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That is right, Christianity for me is not a religion. It is salvation.
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Every religion claims it is salvation, not only ur crustianity….even islam does so….just because it is ur belief crustianity does not become true nor does it become something other than religion…Such statements are usually made by con artists and you are one of them…
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True Christians lived like Mother Teresa. She became famous, but there are countless Mother Teresas in the faith of Christ.
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your teresa is nothing but a fraud belonging to Catholic church. She collected so much money in the name of service and did not even build proper toilets for the people in her so called orphanages for old people etc. She used all the money to transfer t the demonic catholic church…see the vides by christopher Hitchens who exposes this catholic whore teresa.
Christopher Hitchens – Mother Teresa: Hell’s Angel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4
Ali Sina Says:
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Love is not a dogma from the Old Testament. It is the core of the message of Jesus. If you find fault even with this teachings, you are a misguided soul and I see no hope in you.
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I see you are an idiot Ali Sina and see no hope for such idiots.
dogmatic
dɒɡˈmatɪk/
adjective
adjective: dogmatic
inclined to lay down principles as undeniably true.
So, whatever this love you are prosposing as “undeniably true” principle is the very definition of dogma.
Whether these are the core teachings of your adultery born man-god or not, the teachings were the dogma of old testament. Your mamzer jeebus was just quoting them…
DO you understand this simple statement. The guy was simply teaching old testament. This is not something original.
Leviticus 19:18
18 “ ‘Do not seek revengep or bear a grudgeq against anyone among your people,r but love your neighbors as yourself.t I am the Lord.
Even the barbaric old testament says “love your enemies”, ie. feed them etc.
Mishlei – Proverbs – Chapter 25
21 If your enemy is hungry, feed him bread, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink;
22 for you will be scooping coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you.
This same verse is quoted by Paul in NT.
Romans 12:20
On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
SO JEEBUS TEACHING “LOVE YOUR ENEMIES”, WHICH jeebus COPIED FROM OLD TESTAMENT, IS NO UNIQUE TEACHING OTHER RELIGIONS DO NOT POSSESS.
Dear Face the truth,
Love is the solution to all your issues.
Please see the film “Hotel Rwanda” (it is available on youtube) and also the film “Facing the devil”
In it you will notice that how the Hutus (the majority) were brainwashed, media washed by the minority Tutsis. When communal riots started, the majority turned upon the minority and massacred in 3 months in 1994 over 800,000 men, women and children in the name of ethnic cleansing in Rwanda.
Neighbours turned against neighbours and committed rape, gang-rape, pedophilia and machete and gun attacks against Tutsis and robbed them of their belongings.
The Hutu government actively supported as they blamed the country’s economy and corruption on the minority Tutsis.
Post genocide research showed that many of the Hutu youngsters grew up in hate towards the Tutsis by the indoctrination of hate by their own families, elders, community leaders since birth. (The Tutsis were the 20% minority in the country). As you call Muslims as mosquitoes, please remember that even Hutus used to call Tutsis as cockroaches. This name calling and hate-mongering does not go well.
The rioting and ethnic cleansing did not result in victory for the Hutus. Instead the minority Tutsis who went into hiding engaged in a bush war and slowly armed themselves, regrouped with the help of neighbouring countries and took over Rwanda. They are now having a power-sharing deal with Hutus but the President who has power is a Tutsi.
I see a parallel between what happened in Rwanda to what might in India as the Hindu fanatical government encourages hatred and persecution of minorities. It is only the Indian media which is free and the diverse opposition parties which pander to their bases have not allowed ethnic cleansing vide riots to begin.
Don’t push minorities into going into rebellion. It is a heavy price to pay. Ask the Sri Lankans, Ask the Punjabis and Ask the Lebanese.
Try to win Muslims with genuine love. I know you can’t because with Hinduism you cannot have love (you can only have lust from lustful sex-maniac gods). For genuine love, you need Jesus only.
Jesus is the way, the truth and life.
When people with lots of in-built hate accept Jesus, they change 180 degrees and in turn spread tremendous love and the message of Jesus without fear, without money and with malice towards none.
Disclaimer: This post is not being written as a criticism in any way or form.
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Do all readers realize what is the problem with Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina?
He wrote, “Wish you blessings”.
Fact of the matter is one DOESN’T wish someone “blessings”.
One (e.g., God) GIVES someone “blessings”.
If I say, “May God bless you” or “God bless you” or just “God bless”, I mean that I am praying to God to give you “blessing(s)”.
If my readers are familiar with statues or paintings of “Hindu” Puranic deities, my readers might notice that the “Hindu” Puranic deities show His/Her one hand’s palm to give “blessings”.
Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina does not belong to Sanatana Dharma; so, I do not expect him to know the difference between “Wishing someone luck” versus “Giving someone blessing(s)”.
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Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina wrote:
“YOU ARE RIGHT! NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST. MOST MUSLIMS I KNOW ARE ACTUALLY PEACEFUL PEOPLE. I AM NOT FIGHTING MUSLIMS. I AM FIGHTING ISLAM. THIS IS LIKE SAYING I AM NOT FIGHTING THE INSANE, BUT INSANITY.”
Do all readers realize the inherent problem in the idea of his above quoted sentences?
Mosquitoes spread the germs of Malaria.
So, in order to eradicate the disease of Malaria, humans have to destroy mosquitoes as well as the habitats of mosquitoes.
Do all my readers agree with my logic?
Now, question comes to mind how could world’s non-believers destroy world’s billions of mosquitoes (i.e., Muslims)?
In order to eradicate mosquitoes, world’s non-believers must not facilitate the ideology of Islam by giving equal and any special status to Islam.
For example, openly saying in every avenues of life that Islam’s founder was not only a bastard by birth circumstance alone, but also was a criminal-psychopath in adult-life and Islam is a military-political ideology that masquerades as a religion.
For example, not having any dialogue with Muslims (i.e., mosquitoes) so that world’s Muslims understand that their ideology is incompatible with civilized lives; because, “having dialogue” means ultimately converting to Islam (or Christianity).
For example, not allowing Muslims (i.e., mosquitoes) to migrate to non-Muslims’ land.
My readers can come up with many more good ideas in order to eradicate world’s problem with mosquitoes since if I write any longer my post will be truncated by this FaithFreedom.Org website.
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The last part of Dr Srinivas Bhattarchya (A Hindu (Double PHD, Gold medallist in Sanskrit and HIndu Shastra who became a Christian after discovering Christ in the Hindu Holy Scriptures)
Om Shri mrithyu nayaya namaha meaning the Lord who resurrected from the depths of the Earth on the third day I worship thee”. By the divine grace of God 13 people accepted the Saviour. Out of them 6 took baptism. Today they are strong believers. All this God did for His glory.
Today all of them are strong believers of Jesus Christ and sharing the Gospel to other lost souls and serving God Mightily.
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Story of Dr Srinivas Bhattacharya
He took me into the forest and he took me inside a cave. With a great burden he knelt in the cave and opening the bible he started to preach the gospel. He told him how God created the heavens and the earth, the rivers and the seas, the plants and the animals and how he created human beings. He told him of the fall of man into sin and how the Lord Jesus Christ came into this world as the Messiah, how much He suffered on the cross at Golgotha and how he finally died But here he found the Jesus came and died for my sins. Even Hinduism says very sincerely in the Samaveda, “Every man is a sinner and unless he is cleansed by the precious blood he cannot go into the kingdom of God”
After he returned to my home, my parents were really angry. Since we belonged to a priest community, all other hindus would look to us and learn from us. I was heckled and they sent me to some other priest who would wash me from what I learned. But while they were doing all these things, they said I became unsanctified and untouchable to them and they did not even allow him to enter the house.
He was then caged in a temple, where he was locked with idols who had eyes could not see, have ears but could not hear, have nose could not smell. He was abandoned for weeks in the temple with no one to help him with food. But He was praying that Jesus will come through for him and He did. Next morning few other bhattacharya came to open the temple. Upon seeing them Dr Srinivas ran towards them and told them about the Rig Vedas.
He said, “Come here. What does your Vedas say about God? What does Hinduism say about God? Who is true God in Hinduism? What are the characteristics of God mentioned in Hinduism? What does Hinduism say about how a man can go into the kingdom of God? Who is the true god that can bring salvation to mankind?
For example Om Shri brahmaputhraye namaha– what does this mean? The only begotten son I worship thee. Who is the only begotten Son? It is the Lord Jesus Christ. Om shri Martha Namaha– the Holy Spirit of God I worship thee. Who is the Holy Spirit of God? Again it is the Lord Jesus Christ. Om shri Kannisuthayeha namaha-which means the Lord who is born to a virgin. Om vidyshtayaha Namaha– the Lord who had the circumcision I worship thee. Om shri Panchkayika namaha- the Lord who had the five injuries for the sake of mankind. Om shri vriksh shula arudayaka nama vrisha pondha marthil shulathil siluthayil baliyanavare, umbaye nan namaskarikunen. Who is the Lord who died on the cross of Calvary? All this is our Lord Jesus Christ. Our God is not a dead God. It is true that he came as a messiah to this world. He preached the gospel. He cancelled the devils and the demons. He healed the sick people ad brought salvation to so many people and finally he died on the cross of Calvary, he was buried but he did not become sand. Om Shri mrithyu nayaya namaha meaning the Lord who resurrected from the depths of the…
continued from below -Story of Dr Srinivasa Bhattacharya
At the age of 6, he wore the sacred thread of hindus and he was admitted to Hindu schools where Mr. Srinivas learned all the shlokas and read all the Vedas. He was so good in Vedas that he could recite them without books. He was then gradually admitted to the Sanskrit school to become a philosopher in Sanskrit and take the bhattacharya family forward and continue in the priesthood.
After finishing these things, he then travelled to north India to do a PHD from a popular Hindu University. Since he was very good with the Hindu Principles and knows all the Vedas and Sanskrit, he was made the RSS National Youth Leader. One day while he went to Hindu library to start his research on “How a man can reach the Kingdom of God”, he saw an old man with long beard hand him a small piece of paper with “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall have everlasting life” written on it.
He became restless and began to search day and night on those lines he wanted to know more about the Begotten son and the way to reach the Kingdom of God. I went to all my gurujis and asked them who is this begotten son. All they could tell me was that the begotten son is Krishna and Rama etc etc but nobody told me that Jesus is the only begotten son. Something in him was telling him to reah the “Rig Veda” and the very same words he read on the paper were written in the Rig veda.
Upon opening it what I read in Sanskrit was “Santhakaram purakasayanam, pathmanabam suresham, vishwakaram mekavarnam lakshikanthan yogikirtham vandal bishnumbam, survalokayika.” which means, “The God so loved the world , that he gave his only begotten Son of God that whosoever believes in Him will have everlasting life”
I was then invited to receive the gold medal from the president of India admist of all parlamentatians. I started my journey, booked the train ticket and suddenly I heard a voice asking me to get down at Madhya Pradesh station. I was little reluctant as I knew no one in that place, the voice become more strong and I got down. Once the train left the station, I was all alone on the platform and there was no one. As I walked, I saw the same old person with long beard who gave me the piece of paper 800 kms away. The only begotten son whom you are seeking is Christ. He loves you and forgives your sin and he is going to cleanse you from all your sinful natures. He is going to give you a new life”. When he said all that I could not control myself. Here was a very simple man, very old and ordinary, but yet filled with the resurrected power of the Lord, preaching the gospel to me. I humbled myself and yielded to that saint.
From there he took me to a place called Bidagarh. That is where the Narmada River flows into a very high velocity. We crossed the river and went to the other side where we could find no human beings at all. He took me into the forest and he took me inside a…
According to Dr Srinivas Bhattacharya (PHD in Sanskrit and PHD in Hindu Shastra) it is mentioned in the Hindu Scriptures that there is one God, and he created but is not the creation, He does not reside in idols but in us if we invite Him. Also it is mentioned that Jesus is the way, the truth and life .
Dr Srinivas Bhattacharya (an Ardent Follower of Christ)comes from the 145th direct generation of the Sri Vaishnam Bhattacharya Priesthood community. He comes from a family of priests, even today his grandfather Raghu Bhattachary is the chief priest in Srilakshmaneshaswamy Devasthanam at Ponvanugalathoor. All his early life and childhood , he spent in hindu temples. He is now a bhattachary for Lord Jesus Christ, He says in his blog.
At the age of 6, he wore the sacred thread of hindus and he was admitted to Hindu schools where Mr. Srinivas learned all the shlokas and read all the Vedas. He was so good in Vedas that he could recite them without books. He was then gradually admitted to the Sanskrit school to become a philosopher in Sanskrit and take the bhattacharya family forward and continue in the priesthood.
After finishing these things, he then travelled to north India to do a PHD from a popular Hindu University. Since he was very good with the Hindu Principles and knows all the Vedas and Sanskrit, he was made the RSS National Youth Leader. One day while he went to Hindu library to start his research on “How a man can reach the Kingdom of God”, he saw an old man with long beard hand him a small piece of paper with “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall have everlasting life” written on it.
He became restless and began to search day and night on those lines he wanted to know more about the Begotten son and the way to reach the Kingdom of God. I went to all my gurujis and asked them who is this begotten son. All they could tell me was that the begotten son is Krishna and Rama etc etc but nobody told me that Jesus is the only begotten son. Something in him was telling him to reah the “Rig Veda” and the very same words he read on the paper were written in the Rig veda.
Upon opening it what I read in Sanskrit was “Santhakaram purakasayanam, pathmanabam suresham, vishwakaram mekavarnam lakshikanthan yogikirtham vandal bishnumbam, survalokayika.” which means, “The God so loved the world , that he gave his only begotten Son of God that whosoever believes in Him will have everlasting life”
I was then invited to receive the gold medal from the president of India admist of all parlamentatians. I started my journey, booked the train ticket and suddenly I heard a voice asking me to get down at Madhya Pradesh station. I was little reluctant as I knew no one in that place, the voice become more strong and I got down. Once the train left the station, I was all alone on the platform and there was no one. As I walked, I saw the same old person with long beard who gave me the piece of paper…
Here the Hindus are worshipping a dog.
It is not freedom in the religion.
It is sheer madness even if it is written in the Vedas or supported by Brahmins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NREEO6Ge_fg
Here the Hindu priests are basking in the freedom and officiating a marriage between this Hindu girl and a dog.
This is not freedom. It is insanity
I know Hindus will defend this as being mentioned in the Vedas etc.but is gross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcyDb3w5PLQ
Which other religious scripture in the world outside Hindu religion and its branches gives such freedom?
I always thought Hinduism was only one religion, non-violent, vegetarian, tolerant, primitive, polytheistic and idolatry in practice.
Visiting India dramatically changed this view. It is only when you look from outside-in do you see a different view.
Islam tends to subjugate cultures and people it conquers whereas Hinduism tends to subjugate its own adherents (Brahmins and Upper Caste Hindus subjugating lower caste Hindus) and not the people they conquer.
Next Hinduism tends to subjugate other minorities (Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Atheists etc.). I have never seen anywhere in the world stratification of society as done in Hinduism.
Ambedkar was a great man who fought against this evil and found this freedom in Hinduism disgusting.
Hinduism allows the following marriages man to girl, girl to dog, man to dog, girl to tree, girl to pot, man to man, girl to girl, man to cow etc.
There are lot of strange perpetuations and combinations.
So, this freedom is the slippery road to perversion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iz_n5gikcA
Unknown Scholar asks: Which other religious scripture in the world outside Hindu religion and its branches gives such freedom?
My Answer:
Christians and Muslims do not want believers of Sanatana Dharma to keep and practice the forefathers’ faith that goes over 10 millennia.
Christians and Muslims wanted and want followers of Sanatana Dharma to denigrate the forefathers’ faith and adopt Middle-Eastern Semitic barbarism in all walks of life.
So, how can you resolve any conflict peacefully when Christians and Muslims want to subvert existing Sanatana Dharma?
You cannot.
Indian “Hindu” kings allowed foreign Muslims and foreign Christians to come and settle in the motherland and, in the end, foreign Muslims and Christians started raping the mothers and sisters of all Indian “Hindus”.
That’s the historic truth even if my sentence hurts your “Hindu” civility!
Like a lion rips apart the skin and the body of a hyena and pierces the heart of the hyena to make the heart stop from beating anymore, Indian “Hindus” should rip apart Muslims and Christians — if situation demands — to protect motherland from Muslim and Christian invaders.
Muslims and Christians are hyenas!
Do all post-writers realize that this FaithFreedom.Org truncates any long post?
What a waste of any post-writer’s time!
A post-writer has to re-post again and again every time to send the full message across.
Now, one may ask me why I write here at all while wasting my valuable work-time.
I have no reason other than the fact that if a non-believer of Christianism and Islamism — like myself — does not respond to the non-stop falsehoods of Christianism and Islamism, Christian and Muslim evils will prevail with the propagation of Christian and Islamic historic falsehoods and proven lies.
There has also been persistent effort from some quarters to speak ill of Hindu religion. Outside India, the Christian missionaries have consistently worked for over three centuries to paint Hindu religion as demonic barbarism. These missionaries collect huge amounts of money and recruit large number of persons from outside India to remove Hinduism from the surface of the earth. This type of propaganda against Hinduism has affected and is affecting the political policies of foreign governments towards India.
The Hindus need to assert themselves and place the basic teachings of Hinduism before the whole world, for the people to read for themselves and come to their own conclusions directly without interference from those who have been profiting by hurling abuses at Hinduism. Religion is essentially a matter of self-discipline, self-culture, enriching of one’s inner self, realisation of divinity which lies dormant in every living being and the manifestation of this divinity in our daily conduct of life. Religion cannot be used and should not be used as a weapon in our hands and mouths to conquer and subjugate others, to win political power and destroy other religious communities; that would be barbarism and not religion. Religion should bring peace, tranquility and happiness to everyone on this earth.
“For choosing your course of conduct at any time and place, keep in view the instructions given first in Sruti(Vedas), then in Smritis, Itihaas(History of great personalties) and finally you act according to your conscience.” (Manu Smriti, II, 6)
This Grand Principle of Freedom given to an individual by the Hindu religion will, in course of time, form the basis for ending inter-religious and intra-religious conflicts. There are many things in Manusmriti which are not proper by today’s standards, which should be rejected, and which are rejected by the Hindus today. Hindus follow modern Constitutional laws, not those improper teachings. They allowed the Indian Constitution to be written by a Hindu apostate, Dr Ambedkar. Manu himself says that if there is anything in his Smriti which is not acceptable to the conscience of any person, that person should reject it and act according to his/her own conscience. He deserves respect for his giving instructions to reject what is against our conscience even in his Manu Smriti.
Which other religious scripture in the world outside Hindu religion and its branches gives such freedom? Hinduism does not claim Manu Smriti to be the WORD OF GOD or a word to obeyed without question, unlike Islam and Christianity which claim Bible and Quran to be words of God. Hindus accept that their books are all written by man, Vedas are composed by humans, Smritis are written by sages, nothing is to be followed blindly, but by own conscience. This is the beauty of Hinduism.
A Hindu sees and adores God in a hundred, thousand and many more forms. He sees and worships God in everything, particularly where there is manifestation of life, energy, beauty, strength and valour. He worships the Sun, the Moon, the Earth, the Sky, the Rivers, the Stars, the Days, the Nights, the Forests, the Animals, the Plants and what not, as manifestations of God. It must be emphasised that Hindus believe in God, but having manifestations in millions of forms, shapes and even in abstract qualities and emotions. For example, a mother’s love for a child is a manifestation of God Himself; devotion of a chaste wife to her husband in the face of difficulties and dangers is the manifestation of divinity in a woman; art of exquisite dance and music during worship of God is a manifestation of divinity. The Sun, the Moon, the Stars, the Rivers, the Ocean, the Rocks, the Trees, everything is worshipped by a Hindu as a manifestation of God. A Hindu accepts Omnipresence of God and does not deny His presence anywhere. God is also Omniscient; hence He sees the sincerity of Worship of a devotee in whichever form the devotee worships Him. Hinduism does not recognise existence of anything outside God, anything without God; even Satan does not exist outside God. There cannot be God and a Satan outside God.
Even in respect of religious Scriptures, a Hindu is supposed to listen to and contemplate on what is written in the Shruti (Vedas), Smritis (Coded laws of life), Itihas (History of great men), but finally he should follow the dictates of his own conscience. This is the freedom given to a Hindu by the very Scriptures which he is to follow. This is the uniqueness, the broadminded open-ness of Hinduism. That is why Hindu religion has survived and shall survive. Had Hinduism forced its followers to believe blindly without faith (Which Islam and Christianity do- Jesus as the ONLY way to reach God, else Eternal Hell, or Muhammad as the LAST Prophet of God else Eternal Hell), it may not have survived. Free thinking, and freedom to be an atheist, agnostic, monotheist, polytheist, idol worshiper, non-idol worshiper all is available in Hinduism. Veer Savarkar, a great Hindu ideologue and freedom fighter was an atheist. Gandhi was a polytheist.
How many of the Scriptures of other religions of the world give this freedom to their followers ?
Again, it must be emphasized that it is Hindu society itself which has been fighting against the aberrations of caste-system, and Hindu society itself has largely eliminated the same. What have non-Hindu critics of caste system contributed? They have mostly contributed abuses on Hinduism and attempted to destroy Hinduism itself, without recognizing its merits, saying that Hinduism has caste system.
No human community ever existed in the past, nor does it exist now which does not have caste system in one form or the other. Let non-Hindu critics talk anything claiming casteless and classless society of their own religions. We know a little of every religious community making such claims. Sitting in glass houses, let no one throw stones at Hindu community. As per Vatican year 2000 Book’s own admission, there are as many as 33,820 sects in Christianity. Hinduism certainly does not have so many castes or sub-castes. In Islam also there are many sects and castes. In Indian Muslims there are upper castes, lower castes and also the untouchable (Arzal) caste. In Indian as well as Pakistani Muslims, there are often ‘honour killings’ for marrying people of less important castes within Islam itself. In India also lower caste Christians have claimed discrimination. The Church has accepted that within Indian Christians, Dalit Christians have been discriminated by fellow-Christians themselves. http://indianexpress.com/article/india/church-says-dalit-christians-face-untouchability-discrimination-4427658/
In Hindu religion in the begining, caste was by profession, conduct, not by birth. Also, caste implied certain discipline and code of conduct. Intermingling of castes in Hindu society and hence irrelevance of caste-status by birth had been recognised in India even some 5,000 – 8,000 years back from today. The date of the Mahabharata is placed some 3,000 – 6,000 years before Christ i.e. 5,000 – 8,000 years back from today. In Mahabharata, the eldest brother amongst the five Pandavas, Yudhisthira, was asked by Yaksha to give correct answer to his question, if the former wanted his brothers back to life. Yaksha’s question was, “Is caste-status by birth or by conduct ?” Yudhisthira’s answer was on the following lines: “In ancient times, there was purity of blood and hence caste, profession and status, by birth. Subsequently, intermingling of blood has taken place by intercaste marriages to such an extent that caste, profession and status by birth have no meaning now. One’s caste and status are by one’s conduct and not by birth. A Brahmin’s conduct is characterised by truthfulness, charity, forgiveness, nobleness, benevolence, observance of appropriate rites and mercy. If these qualities are not present in one who is born in a Brahmin family, then he is not a Brahmin. If, on the other hand, these qualities are present in one who is born in a Sudra family, then he is a Brahmin”. (Ref : Mahabharata, Vana Parva, Section 179).
Caste and Social Status by birth have no religious support in Hinduism. It is the conduct, not birth, which should command respect, according to the principles of Hindu religion. This idea is emphasised in “Manusmriti” also. Undoubtedly, over many past centuries, there have crept in aberrations of the caste system in the Hindu Society and interpolations in some Hindu Scriptures, but aberrations are not to be found in the basic principle of caste system. We must respect and accept what is right and unequivocally reject what is wrong.
Again, it must be emphasized that it is Hindu society itself which has been fighting against the aberrations of caste-system, and Hindu society itself has largely eliminated the same. What have non-Hindu critics of caste system contributed? They have mostly contributed abuses on Hinduism and attempted to destroy Hinduism itself, without recognizing its merits, saying that Hinduism has caste system. It is the Hindus who have given reservation to people of lower castes post-1947, Indian Constitution was written by a Hindu apostate Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar, who was of a lower caste, formerly untouchable caste. India gives a lot of concessions, scholarships, fee waivers, etc for people of lower castes precisely to achieve social equality.
@ srinivasan vr
Yes, we can do good even without religion. But I tell you that without the belief in God, we would not know what is good.
I tell you from my own experience. When I was an atheist, I tried to do good. When I became a Christian I realized whatever I did was meaningless. What God wants from us is far greater. It is hard to explain in words. I may try to write an article on this subject in future. There is a big difference between what an atheist sees as good and what a true believer in Christ does. I am not talking about religions in general. They are all false, even the one invented by Christians.
@ Continuum
That is right, Christianity for me is not a religion. It is salvation. While there were and there are many holy men and women among Christians, I believe the Church was founded and is controlled by a people who do not respond to Jesus but to the prince of this world, the Devil. When I see the popes, particularly this one, I see a servant of the Satan, a wolf in sheep clothing. True Christians lived like Mother Teresa. She became famous, but there are countless Mother Teresas in the faith of Christ.
Love is not a dogma from the Old Testament. It is the core of the message of Jesus. If you find fault even with this teachings, you are a misguided soul and I see no hope in you.
Jesus did not come to die on the cross. This is a Christian dogma. Christians made this up because they could not explain why the son of God could be crucified. So they said it was all planned. That is absurd. Ezekiel 18:20 says: “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.” This is a divine law. God does not make up new rules based on situations. His laws are universal and they all make sense. Christianity is not dogmatic, as Christians have made it look.
Christ paid the ultimate price for our ignorance and sin. But this was not planned by God. God does not need blood to ransom anyone. He demands no sacrifice, let alone that of His own son. Those who crucified Jesus, were not fulfilling God’s will. They were an ingenuous people, committing a grave sin.
I am not a fraud, but how a bigot like you would know that?
@ AH, Yes I talk with Jesus all the time and he answers me. It is not a conversation like you and I may have. It is of a different kind. Communications between souls is not in words.
This message is for screen-name Sakat:
Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina is a Muslim by birth.
So, you cannot expect anything bettter from him at this point.
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surface. Stillness of mind can open doors to wisdom, peace and tranquility for anyone.
2. Do not doubt:
Doubts in the self or an ‘absolute truth’ is the main reason why billions lead unhappy lives on the planet. According to Bhagavad Gita, a doubtful man cannot be at peace in this world or the next. It is important not to confuse this lesson with inquisitiveness which is an absolute necessity for a person to discover his own self. However, the habit of rejecting a philosophy, belief or truth told by a learned man is not productive at all.
1. Fear not:
What is the greatest fear of humans? Death, we all know it. Lord Krishna tells his friend and devotee Arjuna not to fear death at all. Death is merely a transitional phase. Death can only come to something which is not permanent; that which is real can never die. Whether a person is an ordinary citizen, a soldier or a leader, he must not fear of losing his life, position or wealth. Relationships, wealth and all other worldly objects are just temporary; they are tools to climb the ladder and realize the Self someday. It isn’t hard to guess how beautiful life would be if there is no fear at all.
So there are many good things to learn from many other philosophies. The Veda’s says, let the knowledge come from all the side. I am little worried for you, does you resemble the screen picture? be careful Talibanis are at large.Stay strong,good luck.
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8. Be temperate in everything – avoid extremities in life:
In Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says that a person is bound to fail in meditation if he does not strike a balance in his day to day activities. Eating too much or too less, for example, is not going to bring you any closer to God. Meditation can help a person overcome all sorrows but he must eat and sleep well, work daily and find time to enjoy recreational activities, too.
7. Wisdom becomes inaccessible due to selfish attitude – open up:Just as a mirror covered by dust does not reflect images of objects, wisdom, too, gets obscured by selfish attitude. A selfish person cannot perceive the truth as it is when tackling relationship issues in day to day life due to his nature. Whether a person wishes to gain material wealth, succeed in a profession or acquire spiritual wisdom, giving up personal agendas is absolutely necessary to wade through doubts and disappointments.
6. The Supreme Being is always with you – always:
Mere acceptance of this sublime truth can transform the life of a person. It is the Supreme Being which acts through every living being. Releasing oneself from worries and all other negative emotions is easy by surrendering oneself to the almighty. Since a human being is only an instrument in the hands of God, regretting the past or fearing the future is pointless. The natural harmony of mind and soul is restored by recognizing the Omnipresent.
5. Do not abstain from ‘action’ – it doesn’t help:
Running away from duties is not the way forward. Spiritual wisdom or eternal peace cannot be acquired by forsaking friends or family members. In fact, it is not even possible to refrain from activity while living in the materialistic world. It is therefore advisable to fulfill all duties with utmost dedication. Renouncing various physical actions without subduing the constantly wandering mind is useless.
4. Equanimity in Actions – be free from the expectation of the outcome:
Most people end up doing a lot less than they’re capable of in their lives. It happens mostly due to the reason that they are either sedated by pleasure or pain. Every act of theirs stems from a wish to get rewards. If Steve Jobs, for example, did not just enjoy ‘working on unique designs and intuitive user experience’, he would have been far less successful. When a person is unaffected by potential success or failure, he is more likely to pour in all his energies in even small day to day actions.
3. Overcome desires – experience the stillness of mind:
All thoughts, feelings and desires take birth in the mind. Looking deep within one’s own self is not possible without first stabilizing the mind. The mind can be really quite only when a person is free from the countless desires. Just as we can look at the bottom of the ocean only when there are no ripples on the surface, the secrets of mind, heart and soul can only be known when there are no desires on the surface. Stillness…
Hi Ali,
I don’t agree with your understanding of Hinduism. Unlike Christianity and Islam Hinduism is not a religion ,it’s a way of life .Of course Hinduism has bad elements in it, but Kali is not demonic representing of such elements.Kali is primordial energy or source to both positive and negative energy .A wise Hindu extract positive energy from this primordial energy (Kali) through Vedic worship. But the ignorant used his worship to garner the negative energy. Ultimately the demonic attitude lies with the seeker and not with the god himself.
Christianity is a cult, when you follow it in a organized form .But the way you have understood it shows the true implementations of teachings of Jesus. Most of the original followers (White Europeans) of Jesus were/are ready to accept criticism of Jesus without clutching at straws .But those who were converted by the Christian cult in many part of Asia and Africa in last few hundred years are remain in Christian cult ,they are not ready to accept criticism about Jesus and ever ready to take refuge in tu quoque fallacy to defend jesus.The shining example is our own Ron and some time back a lady with screen name Agracean ,their aggression shows their desperation to defend their cult.
The Bhagvad Geeta contained top most philosophy .There are no contradiction in it unlike Bible ,Quran or Torra.Although a component of the scriptural trinity of Sanatan Dharma, contents of Bhagavad Gita are universal and non-sectarian. The literal meaning of ‘Bhagavad Gita’ is ‘Song of God’. Written in the form of a poem, Bhagavad Gita presents the principles of seemingly complex metaphysical science in the simplest form possible. For millennia, it has inspired millions of saints, leaders, scientists, philosophers and ordinary people worldwide. Listed below are the top 10 lessons from the Bhagavad Gita.
10. The body is temporary – soul is permanent:
Lord Krishna in Bhagavad Gita compares the human body to a piece of cloth. A person should identify not with the body but the real Self within. One should not grieve for growing old or having a disease that cannot be cured. Just as worn out clothes are replaced by the new ones, the soul of a person acquires a new body. Identification with the Self instead of the body helps a seeker to be detached from the limitations of the human body.
9. Anger causes delusion – be calm:
It is due to anger that a person becomes deluded. As soon as the delusion takes over, his mind loses the power of discrimination. Subsequently, the reasoning capabilities of a person are lost. A person, who cannot reason justly, is destined to be doomed. Thus, anger is the fundamental cause of all sorts of failures in a person’s life. It is one of the three main gates of hell, other two being greed and lust. One must try to sidetrack anger while keeping the mind at peace.
8. Be temperate in everything – avoid extremities in life:
In Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says that…
This message iS for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:
[We have to understand that Muslims are victims of Islam, similar to Hindus being victims of Hinduism.]
WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT CHRISTIANS ARE VICTIMS OF JESUS F**KING CHRIST.
[The onset of brainwashing differs.]
CHRISTIANS ARE CONGENITAL LIARS AND CHRISTIANS ARE BRAINWASHED FROM THEIR BIRTHS.
WORLD’S CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT IF A LIE IS ALWAYS REPEATED, THE LIE BECOMES “GOSPEL TRUTH”.
[Muslims have been brainwashed to hate non-Muslims from birth over 1400 years and Hindus have been brainwashed to hate Christians/Muslims since 1947 for political purposes by Hindu fanatics.]
CHRISTIANS ARE BLOODY IDOL WORSHIPPERS AND CHRISTIANS’ IDOL IS POPULARLY KNOWN AS THE REPLICA OF JESUS F**KING CHRIST HANGING ON THE GALLOWS FOR THE HISTORIC CHRISTIAN CRIME OF SUBVERSION.
TODAY, FOLLOWING THE BLOODY CHRISTIAN-IDOL, CHRISTIANS TRY TO SUBVERT NON-CHRISTIAN GOVERNMENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
[We can only win over these victims of indoctrinated hate who now perpetrate hatred and bigotry by the love of Jesus.]
IF ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS F**KING CHRIST, CHRISTIANS WILL TRY TO CONVERT THE NON-BELIEVER AND STILL IF THE NON-BELIEVER REFUSES TO BELIEVE IN JESUS F**KING CHRIST, THE NON-BELIEVER WILL NOT RECEIVE “COMMUNION” FROM CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
[We need to show them that Jesus was the epitome of love, mercy, compassion, forgiveness.]
JESUS F**KING CHRIST — WHO WAS A SON OF JEWISH WHORE — WAS AN EPITOME OF JUDAISM 2000 YEARS AGO FOR FIGHTING AND INCITING VIOLENCE AGINST THE AUTHORITIES.
[We need to show them the work done by Christians in the field of caring for the sick, caring for AIDS/Lepers, caring for Prisoners, orphans, widows, poor and the destitute in their own Muslim and Hindu societies.]
CHRISTIANS DO SOCIAL SERVICES TODAY IN ORDER TO STAY RELEVANT.
OTHERWISE, CHRISTIANITY WILL BE DESTINIED TO THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY.
[The government run orphanages in India and many in the Muslim world are outlets for prostitution.]
CHRISTIAN CHURCHES ARE WELL-KNOWN HOLDOUTS OF CHILD-MOLESTATIONS.
[Without Jesus there is no compassion in their hearts.]
WITH JESUS F**KING CHRIST IN THIER HEARTS, CHRISTIANS ARE FULL OF GREED, PERVERSION, AND DEBAUCHERY.
[We need to show that Jesus is the difference.]
FOR SURE, WORLD’S NON-BELIEVERS KNOW THAT WORLD WILL NOT BE A WORSE PLACE WITHOUT CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS IN IT.
[Jesus is the way, the truth and life.]
YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST WAS A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE AND THAT’S THE WAY OF WHOREDOM OF WORLD’S CHRISTIANS.
AND, THAT’S THE TRUTH ON WHICH CHRISTIAN LIVES ARE BASED.
What is the justification of religion, for that matter any religion. It is based on unreason . We can do good even without them. End religions of all hues
Ali Sina Says:
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@Ron, While I do not think all Hindu deities have divine origin and most likely the godess kali is a demonic entity,
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How do you know this?
Ali Sina
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I read Bhagavad Gita and I cannot say it is a demonic book. That book contains pearls of wisdom and truth that need to be cherished.
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Anybody with a iota of intelligence will recognize the wisdom in Bhagavad Gita.
Ali Sina
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The problem with Hinduism is that it is not a monolithic religion. It is a collection of many philosophies and spiritual teachings. Some of them are very good and some are diabolic and evil. The other problem is that is is almost impossible to separate them.
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This is what I have been saying as well. This is part of Hindu teachings themselves. There are some Hindu texts that are classified as such and explicitly told that they lead to hell. They should be avoided.
The classification of the Puranas (Hindu scriptures) according to Padma Purana…
वैष्णवं नारदीयं च तथा भागवतं शुभम् । गारुडं च तथा पाद्मं वाराहं शुभदर्शने । सात्विकानि पुराणानि विज्ञेयानि शुभानि वै ।।
sAtvika (auspicious or good) Puranas:
· Vishnu Purana, Naradiya Purana, Padma Purana, Garuda Purana, Varaha Purana, Srimad Bhagavata Maha Purana are classified as auspicious. (These contain majority teachings which are auspicious, while small amounts of mixed teachings and evil teachings. This understanding given here in brackets belong to orthodox schools teachings)
Rajasa (mixed with good and evil) Puranas:
ब्रह्माण्डं ब्रह्मवैवर्तं मार्कण्डेयं तथैव च । भविष्यं वामनं ब्राह्मं राजसानि निबोधत ।।
· Brahmanda Purana, Brahmavaivarta, Markandeya Purana, Bhavishya Purana, Vamana Purana, Brahma Purana are classified as Rajasa. (These contain majority teachings which are inauspicious, while small amounts of mixed teachings and good teachings. This understanding given here in brackets belong to orthodox schools teachings)
Tamasa (evil) Puranas :
मात्सयं कौर्मं तथा लैङ्गम् शैवं स्कान्दं तथैव च । आग्नेयं च षडेतानि तामसानि निबोधत ।।
· Matsya Purana, Kurma Purana, Linga Purana, Shiva Purana, Skanda Purana, Agni Purana are classified as evil puranas. (These contain majority teachings which are evil, while small amounts of mixed teachings and good teachings. This understanding given here in brackets belong to orthodox schools teachings)
सात्विका मोक्षदाः प्रोक्ताः राजसा सर्वदा अशुभाः ।
तथैव तामसा देवि निरयप्राप्तिहेतवः ।।
sAtvika purana gives moksha (salvation), rAjasa (mixed, both good and evil, truth and lies mixed) purana gives all ashubha (inauspicious) results, while tAmasa purana (darkness) puranas gives hell (nirayapraapti).
प.पु. उत्तर 236.21…
Ali Sina Says:
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The reason I am with Christ is that he did not start another religion. Jesus came to save mankind from religions. His religion is love.
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well….what is christianity then? it ain’t a religion for you?
Ali Sina Says:
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If you love God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself, you are a Christian. Nothing else is required.
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This is a dogma or a teaching from old testament, ie judaism…..Judaism is a religion….all of that ur adultery born jeebus taught is nothing but a religious dogma. this fellow believed he came to die for every body’s sins…this is a religious belief….mamzer jeebus believed he s the messiah…this is religious belief…
Ali Sina, you are a fraud fellow and con man making useless meaningless statements.
@Ron and @Ali
“Christ alone is blameless and sinless.”
“The reason I am with Christ is that he did not start another religion.”
How do you know? Did you talk with him in person?
@Ron, While I do not think all Hindu deities have divine origin and most likely the godess kali is a demonic entity, I read Bhagavad Gita and I cannot say it is a demonic book. That book contains pearls of wisdom and truth that need to be cherished. The problem with Hinduism is that it is not a monolithic religion. It is a collection of many philosophies and spiritual teachings. Some of them are very good and some are diabolic and evil. The other problem is that is is almost impossible to separate them.
The reason I am with Christ is that he did not start another religion. Jesus came to save mankind from religions. His religion is love. If you love God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself, you are a Christian. Nothing else is required. This is the salvation. This is the way.
Ali,
You are correct. I am not endorsing any church and I agree that Christ is the way to salvation and not the church.
Christ alone is blameless and sinless.
When Muslims and their clergy do shady and nefarious and revengeful activities, they are following Mohammed.
When Hindus and their clergy do shady and nefarious and revengeful activities they are following Krishna and Manu
When Christians and their clergy do shady and nefarious and revengeful activities they are disobeying Jesus who clearly said to love, forgive and even bless your enemies.
Walter Sieruk, I disagree that all communists are atheist. This Pope is a communist and at least he claims to believe in God. I actually don’t think this man believes in God. If he does mot works for God. He is working for Satan, as many of his predecessors did. The Jesuits are part of the Illuminati. They are Satan worshipers.
Ron, While I agree with you that Jesus is the answer to all human needs, let us not forget that the Christians are no less guilty of many crimes. You mentioned the problems with government run orphanages in India. Let us also not forget the Church run orphanages and institutions all over the world. Let us not forget the rampant pedophilia in Churches. The Catholic church has duped the good Christians for centuries, to be precised for 17 centuries. Some of protestant churches are no better. Since I accepted Jesus I have not been to any church and I may never go to one. Despite knowing the goodness in many Christians I am weary of those who run the churches and control the masses. Power corrupts and this is true in all religions.
We have to understand that Muslims are victims of Islam, similar to Hindus being victims of Hinduism.
The onset of brainwashing differs. Muslims have been brainwashed to hate non-Muslims from birth over 1400 years and Hindus have been brainwashed to hate Christians/Muslims since 1947 for political purposes by Hindu fanatics.
We can only win over these victims of indoctrinated hate who now perpetrate hatred and bigotry by the love of Jesus.
We need to show them that Jesus was the epitome of love, mercy, compassion, forgiveness. We need to show them the work done by Christians in the field of caring for the sick, caring for AIDS/Lepers, caring for Prisoners, orphans, widows, poor and the destitute in their own Muslim and Hindu societies.
The government run orphanages in India and many in the Muslim world are outlets for prostitution. Without Jesus there is no compassion in their hearts.
We need to show that Jesus is the difference. Jesus is the way, the truth and life.
It is a good read. We have seen many moderate Muslims participated in the protest against Salman Rushdie and Danish Cartoonist. Recently 200,000 Indonesian Muslims, mostly moderates, participated in the protest against the Christian governor of Jakarta. These moderates have never shown their anger and disgust against the brutal killings, beheading in red jump suit, burning in iron cages by the ISIS jihadists while shouting Allahu Akbar.
Even after watching the ‘glorious days’ of the Caliphate in Iraq and Syria, many moderates are waiting to see the ‘glad tidings’ when America is conquered by the Jihadists. They could not envisage that within one year America will become like Pakistan or Afghanistan.
One statement I had posted on my facebook site that is worth repeating on this site is that it’s a good thing to understand that “As not all atheists are Communists but all Communists are atheists so likewise not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists but all Islamic terrorists are Muslims.” To put it in another way , “Not all Muslims are militant jihadists. .Nevertheless , all militant jihadists are Muslims.”
About the term “Moderate Muslims”. From reading many articles books by scholars of Islamic terrorism ,such as Robert Spencer and Brigitte Gabriel who is from the Middle East and experienced first hand the brutal violence of Islamic terrorism. It may be concluded that the term “Moderate Muslim” is only used in the West and is unknown in Islamic countries. For Muslims in those nations what Westerns call “moderate ” Many Muslim in both the Middle East and Indonesia view a “lacks” or “non-devout.” Some something they are even call “hypocrites” for not joining in the jihad against the West. Thus the jihadist chant “death to infidels and hypocrites.’ In other words, ” Death to non-Muslims and non-devout -Muslims ”
Furthermore, what many Westerns call “radical and extremist ” Muslims many Muslims in Indonesia consider to be “devout” Muslim or even just as they should be ,as in seen as “normal.” Therefore Western terms and words don’t always fit into the larger picture describing the world of Islam