What Moderate Muslims?

Dear Mr. Sina,

I enjoy reading your site, I am myself a ex-Muslim. I just couldn’t keep excusing for these brutal things in the Quran and in Hadith.

But I think that maybe we sometimes de-individualise and dehumanize the Muslims. Yes, there are many bad people that are good Muslims, many knows Quran in and out and live by it(IS) and many Muslims countries have problems like no other. But I mean they are not the only ones or the first ones to do what they do, the greatest cause for death and war has always been intolerance, racism, religion and its not all.

I know many very warm and welcoming Muslim families with sweet children, they live like anybody and doesn’t follow the religion and probably never will. They say they are against many of the things said in Quran, says they got their own meaning from the words in Quran and Muslim fanatics annoys them, but the downside is they still insist on calling themselves Muslim even though their entire being and thinking are not Muslim. I think most are like that. They think in their own moral ways, keep a pretty picture of Islam and doesn’t welcome the evil new information they receive on it, but people are like that and does it matter to call yourself Muslim if your thinking isn’t and you just follow the pillars and what you think Islam is. The young Arab Muslim girls today in western societies be like any other girl and they often do well in their studies, the new generation (under 30) isn’t like their parents.

In some West African countries where there are Muslims they recite Quran in Arabic not understanding it, just listening to the five pillars and thinking Islam is for a family life and other than that mix it with the African culture and way of life, I mean that is not the same Islam as the Islam in Arab countries like Saudi where there are better sources. Is that so bad?

Every religion can have its downside, what about the ones thinking they are Christian when they accuse children of being witches and abuse them, does it mean that all west/central African people think like that? No.

But I realise they are nice people despite being Muslims and not because of it.

Sometimes I just feel like faithfreedom preaches to avoid all Muslims and don’t get involved with them, shouldn’t we look at the individual person and don’t preach more hate and diversion?

Best regards

You are right! Not all Muslims are terrorist. Most Muslims I know are actually peaceful people. My cousins and their families are among them.

I am not fighting Muslims. I am fighting Islam. This is like saying I am not fighting the insane, but insanity.  So what would you do if an insane person attacks you? What if this insanity is drug induced?  Our proverbial insane person has an addiction problem. He uses a certain drug that drives him insane. Under the influence of this drug he does terrible things. When you point out the problem he becomes aggressive, cusses you and calls you drugophobic.  He shows how normal he is when he is not under the influence of the drug and that you are the bigot, the close minded, the hater for blaming him.   Only those who abuse the drug go insane and start killing people, he reminds you.  Extremists exist everywhere, he says, etc., etc., etc.  And he lies shamelessly to protect his habit and feels himself to be superior because of it.  We lock up insane people when they are dangerous and Muslims are dangerous.

Even if there is a chance that 1% of the people who use this drug can go insane and become murderers, is it not logical to ban its use? Of course it is. No sane society would tolerate such drug.  A sane society would not only ban the use of this drug, it will prosecute and punish its users and traffickers.

Extremist Muslims are far more than 1%. According to some pundits “only” 10 to 15 percent of Muslims are extremists. That is a mere 150 to 225 million Muslims. That is not a small number.  However, the truth is that the percentage of extremist Muslims is much greater than that. This survey sheds light on the true magnitude of the problem. It is scary.   How can we coexist with a people who believe in a religion that teaches them to kill is the way to paradise?

Where do these killers come from? They are born to, and are raised among “moderate” Muslims, who teach them Islam is a true religion. And when they look up in their “holy” book they see they are ordered to kill the infidels.  So are you saying that the so called moderate Muslims are innocent? Moderate Muslims are the breathing ground for the terrorist Muslims. If Islam were a tree, the terrorists would be its fruit and the “moderates” its leaves.  The “moderates” keep this tree of terror alive. Without the moderate Muslims there would be no Islam and no terrorist Muslim.  That is clear as the sun.

It is time to get serious and lay the blame where it belongs, on the so called moderate Muslims.  They are not the solution. They are the problem.  Yes, they cling to Islam because of ignorance. But ignorance is not an excuse.

To get rid of Islamic terrorism we have to get serious with Islam and all its supporters.  What? Are you saying we should trust those who smile on our face while curse us every day, five times a day and call it prayer?  Should we trust a people who believe a mass murderer who said kill the unbelievers wherever you find them because they themselves won’t do it but teach it to their children to do it?

No my dear! I know as one who has Muslim relatives you find this hard, but we have no other choice but to ban Islam and make its practice illegal. We must close down all mosques and fine anyone who dresses like a Muslim. We must also stop immigration of Muslims and even cancel the visas of those who are already here.  If it were up to me I would demand Muslims leave or stop having children so pena of deportation. Muslim children grow up and if they choose to remain Muslim there is a chance that some of them become terrorist. Considering the price this is a risk not worth taking.  We must see Muslims with distrust and be very careful around them. It is foolhardy to trust a people who follow a religion that teaches killing you is the best deed.  For how long can we rely on the hope that Muslims don’t take their religion seriously and don’t practice it as it is required of them?

You probably hate me for this. I am sorry. I see no other solution. Let Muslims go to their own countries and kill each other there as much as they like. Once they have had enough of this insanity and decide to join humanity, we will accept them like brothers and sisters because God loves all his children.  But God does not love those who do not love Him, worship the Devil instead and kill His children.

Wish you blessings

Ali Sina

 

Ali Sina

Ali Sina is the author of Understanding Muhammad and Muslims.

91 Responses

  1. continuum says:

    AH Says:
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    There is no rational explanation to your questions. Christians believe in a system of revealed truths, you cannot prove them. Christianity is not a science or a philosophical system like Hinduism. Unless you believe, you will not understand. Keep on seeking. Truth will set you free.
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    It is possible that certain revealed truths cannot be proven logically or rationally as by its very definition of being revealed implies what is beyond our organs of senses…

    For example, the existence of God is beyond human senses. One can posit that existence of such an entity is known only through revelation. No logic or inferences can help you arrive at the existence of God, except through direct revelation from God Himself.

    However, the so called revealed truths must be at the least logically consistent. If the so called revealed truth is shown clearly as logically inconsistent and absurd, it can be known as false claim and rejected as false claim. Otherwise, anybody can claim anything they want as “revealed truth”.

    Absurd crustian beliefs such as suicidal ritualistic sin offering of jeebus to himself to convince himself to forgive his own creation, ridiculous claims of jeebus such as shown in posts below etc. has been shown to be logically inconsistent, irrational and plain absurd in nature…So your claim that crustianity is revealed religion is rejected.

    On the other hand, Hinduism (at the least Vedic religion) is NOT mere philosophical system, it is a revealed truth too. Entire Vedic texts are revealed texts, called as apowrusheya (unauthored texts). There exists NO agency (human or supernatural, including Vedic God) exists that wrote Vedas. They exist eternally in subtle Form as part of existence, just as souls, Vedic God exists eternally. In this way, the very source of knowledge (Vedas) in Hinduism is truly objective and self-evident truth. Every source of knowledge in every system has a human or allegedly a divine origin. It is impossible to know if the alleged divine being is truly divine and not evil in nature. However, Vedas have no author, human or divine. This is Vedic understanding. You can never find such unorthodox claims in any other religion or non-religion of the world. No other system has ever even thought of a concept like this before. This itself shows that Vedic religion is unlike any other belief/unbelief system in the world. Its unique, unorthodox bold claim of “authorlessness” not found anywhere else in the world from the very origin of Vedic Hinduism, is itself pointer to its revealed nature.

  2. continuum says:

    Some were made blind so that Jesus could show off by healing them.

    And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. John 9:1-3
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    Notice above, that mamer jeebus is saying that “god” made some people blind, deaf and dumb, made them suffer for years together FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN MAKING HIS son jeebus APPEAR AS A godly MAGIC-man-god FROM THE SKY.

    WHAT KIND OF EVIL BEING WILL KNOWINGLY MAKE CREATURES SUFFER FOR its own GLORY? This is the very definition of a sadistic demon god.

    Besides, what KIND OF A MAN THIS JEEBUS IS WHO THINKS ALL THESE HAPPENED JUST FOR HIS MAGIC SHOW OF HEALING? THIS IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF A CEREBRAL KIND OF NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY.

    THIS IS YET AGAIN ANOTHER PROOF THAT JEEBUS AND HIS fake god are false demons. ALL THREE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ARE THE RESULT OF NARCISSISTS AND MENTAL RETARDS…

  3. continuum says:

    In order to ask right question, on should first know the claims of opposing party correctly. Asking questions which does not make sense to opposing party is of no use making unnecessary assumptions.

    In crustianity or any other abrahamic religion, there is no clarity about pre-existence of souls, and even if there is pre-existence of souls before its birth, there is absolutely no clarity as to why this abrahamic god allows the birth of certain souls at a particular time? Some think souls are created right at their birth while the body is formed. Its allegedly their god’s creation is in this way. There is no apriori reason a particular soul to be born in particular time. They are just born, we can say truly randomly. Abrahamic god plays dies or plays inky pinky ponky and then decides let it be born…

    Now at the birth, according to crustianity, suddenly the soul is loaded with nice heavy load of original sin. Its akin to throwing a born baby into a railway track with an oncoming train. Nice loving god you got there…The other two religions do not speak of any such “sin”, babies are sinless so claim these followers…birth is not preceded necessarily by sins. But these cannot provide any scriptural support for such claims. The founders of these two religions did not give much thought to these questions at all….they were busy formulating and preoccupied with rules for sexual slavery, looting, when you can attack unbelievers’ towns, cities and take their women, how to divide loot among themselves, especially women and little girls, and such other more important matters at their hands.

    Now one can ask as to why some child is born blind, deaf, dumb, mentally retarded, no legs, with two heads and one body etc. etc. For this mamzer jeebus and old babble god gives an answer….The bible god made them so, so that jeebus can make a magic show later by healing them…

    Blind and deaf people were purposely made by God.

    Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Exodus 4:11

    Some were made blind so that Jesus could show off by healing them.

    And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. John 9:1-3

    People are made blind and deaf by evil spirits.

    And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit. Jesus … rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. Mark 9:17, 25

    So, all creation and its suffering (future, past and present), exists as per custianity, as mamzer jeebus’ theatre for his magic show of healing and spreading his glory and fame for this walking flying zombie man-god and his invisible father in the sky. Whether one is born in future or past, this magic zombie man-god paid for any sins…however, man being born with handicaps (definitely suffering) is not due to sins…..some sufferings are due to sin and some are not. How would you differentiate them? Well, nobody knows….These man made abrahamic religions have no consistent answer for anything.

  4. A.H. says:

    @TS

    “I found no answer of my question”

    There is no rational explanation to your questions. Christians believe in a system of revealed truths, you cannot prove them. Christianity is not a science or a philosophical system like Hinduism. Unless you believe, you will not understand. Keep on seeking. Truth will set you free.

  5. Truth Seeker says:

    @A.H,/Ron/ Ali Sina

    I listen the conversation. I found no answer of my question. If you are a Christian and know answer just post your reply here. I am consistently failing to understand how Jesus died for the sins committed by me while I was not even born when Jesus lived on this earth? If Jesus took on our all sins on his head there is no place for hell. We all should be in heaven. For which purpose souls are coming on earth? Muhammad, all rapist, mass murdered too must be in heaven because all their sins taken by Jesus. What is your thought on this?

  6. A.H. says:

    @TS
    “How Jesus died for the sin committed by me? Which are sins I did and when? I was not born when Jesus lived then How Jesus died for me?”

    Instead of throwing mud, you always ask good questions. You really are a truth seeker. Here below you find a link which could gain some insight into this.

  7. continuum says:

    Ron says:
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    I concurred that all these the religions must have started with good intent of worshipping one God, who is without form (which even the Vedas says), help fellow humans in need but got contaminated, deviated and started worshipping idols, created things and started hating fellow humans along with a mix of good works..
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    THIS REPLY GOES FOR NOT ONLY RON, BUT ALSO ALL HINDUS WHO THINK VEDIC GOD IS WITHOUT FORM…

    Iconoclasm or Anthropomorphobia is irrational abrahamic dogma.

    IT IS NOT PART OF VEDIC HINDUISM. NEITHER ARE VEDAS DEVOID OF ANTHROPOMORPHIC REPRESENTATION OF VEDIC GOD. Formless God in Vedas IS MODERN INVENTION OF NEO-HINDUS LIKE ARYA SAMAJ and in some cases plain misinterretation…It has no place in Vedic Hinduism.

    Vedas are full of references where Vedic God is explicitly told to have auspicious Forms, not one, but infinite Forms. See the references below. First I will give irrefutable evidence from Vedas, where Vedic verses explicitly say Vedic God has Forms (rUpa)

    Kanwa Shakha, Shukla Yajur Veda is older version of Shukla Yajur Veda used in South India (as compared to newer Madhyandina Shakha). Verse 40:16 (Page 158)

    http://vedicreserve.mum.edu/yajur_veda/kanwa_shukla_yajur_veda.pdf

    samuha tejah yat te **rupam kalyanatamam** tat te pasyami

    The word **rupam kalyanatamam** means “Form most auspicious”. In the above verse the prayer is to reveal the “Form most auspicious” of Vedic God.

    Rig Veda 6:47:18 (Here Vedic God immanent in each Soul has a particular Form and the soul is the reflection or image of Vedic God)

    “rUpam rUpam pratirUpo babhUva tadasya rUpam pratichakshaNAya” – With reference to each form of Jiva (soul), He (the Lord) is the original Form (prototype). His form is for this one (the jIva or soul) to perceive.

    The same principle is taught in kaTakopanishad

    NOTE: sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA literally means the immanent (aMtara) GOD (AtmA) within all (sarva) beings (bhUta). This term “sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA” is reference to Vedic God and NOT mere souls.

    agniryathaikO bhuvanaM praviShTO
    rUpaM rUpaM pratirUpO babhUva |
    EkastathA sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA
    rUpaM rUpaM pratirUpO bahiSca ||kaTakopanishad 2:2:9||

    As the one fire, after it has entered the world, though one, assumes different forms, thus the “one Self” (sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA) within all things assumes different Forms, according to whatever it enters, and exists also without.

    vAyuryathaikO bhuvanaM praviShTO
    rUpaM rUpaM pratirUpO babhUva |
    EkastathA sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA
    rUpaM rUpaM pratirUpO bahiSca ||kaTakopanishad 2:2:10||

    As the one air, after it has entered the world, though one, assumes different forms, according to whatever it enters, thus the “one Self” (sarvabhUtAMtarAtmA) within all things assumes different Forms, according to whatever it enters, and exists also without.

    The same Upanishad again confirms that the word Purusha refers to Vedic God.

    ya EShu suptEShu jAgarti
    kAmaM kAmaM **puruShO** nirmamANaH |
    tadEva SukraM tadbrahma tadEvAmRutamucyatE ||
    tasmin lOkAH SritAH sarvE tadu nAtyEti kaScana |
    Etadvaitat ||kaTakopanishad 2:2:8||

    He, the highest Person, who is awake in us while we are asleep, shaping one lovely sight after another, that indeed is the Bright, that is Brahman, that alone is called the Immortal. All worlds are contained in it, and no one goes beyond. This is that

    Again Purusha Sukta (Rig Veda 10:90) clearly states that this Purusha is with Form. ALL VEDAS SAY VEDIC GOD HAS FORM.

  8. continuum says:

    Ron says:
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    A siege which will cause shortage over everything including fuel. So Ezekiel is to prophesize and say that cooking fuel will be so short, that Jews will not even have animal dung for fuel but will have to use human stools for fuel.
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    Lets say it is prophecy….Why would any god in order to prove a prophecy force a person to eat food with human excrement (even as fuel)? Your god could have simply said the situation will get so bad, instead he orders his prophet to eat with human excrement….thats disgusting…..Cattle dung is a natural fuel available to fulfill the symbolism….instead he was asked to pick up fresh human excrement as a person excretes and cook…thats plain disgusting.. although the plan changed later….This is all bull shit….Besides your god has Bullock Dung as his hot favorite sin offering…

  9. Vijay says:

    @Ron,

    Much relief to see your comments without hate. You shared your experience with Indian religions. Today’s temples in India are not following the actual temple practices. Few temples in south west are different. A temple’s idol becomes an idol only after following elaborate rituals on agama/tantra vidhi. A great saint usually erect idols in temples. That’s why most Hindus have more faith in old temples. Just a statue of Lord Krishna will not make it idol. Strict pujas must be followed in those temples.

    In Vedas God in true formless and attribute less is described beyond senses , imagination , space and time. Hinduism is absolute monism meaning we believe in existence of God only and universe , space, time etc. are non existent. Thus it is not monotheism where God is one but creation is real and separate entity from God. Same Vedas has personification of God. God assumes many forms for people to worship as he is beyond senses. The trinity (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva) comes in Vedas as Surya(Sun), Indra and Agni although words / Gods Vishnu and Shiva too are present in Vedas.

    The characteristics of God incarnates or avatars such as Lord Krishna, Rama, Shiva etc are that they are without any sin, with absolute knowledge and desires. Such is the characteristics of God in Vedas and same you can see in puranic literature . Read Srimad Bhagavatam for instance.

    The difference between our souls and God’s soul or God is we are born out of previous good merits and sins but avatars of God are for a purpose and not to receive the results of past deeds. Otherwise our soul = God’s soul = God (Again absolute monism). Once we realize the true nature of self we attain salvation. We don’t believe in eternal punishment for finite crimes man does in hell

    Today there are extremely few people who know real Hinduism due to countless invasions and destruction of knowledge institutions, lack of knowledge in Sanskrit this religion is in ICU.

  10. Truth Seeker says:

    @Ali Sina/Ron

    You have very much devotion for Jesus and Bible I just like to know what is purpose of the world or for which purpose God made this universe? What Bible or Christ said on this? Your answer may strengthen my faith in Bible or Christ?

  11. Truth Seeker says:

    @Ron

    How Jesus died for the sin committed by me? Which are sins I did and when? I was not born when Jesus lived then How Jesus died for me?

  12. Ron says:

    Dear Truth Seeker, Vijay,
    When I visited South Asia and China, I visited more temples, pagodas, gurdwaras and mosques. Being brought up in secularism I had a different view on Hinduism. I felt it was just a tolerant, idolatry and pantheistic religion of India.
    But I found it was discriminatory to the core and specially towards its own adherents and I questioned the Hindus about it but almost all of them said “Sir, you don’t understand these people”. Even at the temples you could pay money and jump the queue and see the idols and get a pinch of food.

    I know it saved my time and as a tourist I got away and was treated with privilege in sharp contrast to the locals who were treated with disdain because of caste, looks, stature etc. though they were Hindus. At some temples, they never allowed even tourists to go unless you bribe and put a Hindu mark on your forehead.

    The gurdwaras and pagodas never did anything like this, but the thinking that moving the prayer drum in the pagoda was saying prayers to Buddha was not something believable to me. Some mosques never allowed entry but there was no queue. I liked the Sikh gurdwaras as they served food to people who came in vehicles, bikes or even walking but did not like that they never reached out to the real hungry and needy people in the streets just a few hundred meters away.

    I concurred that all these the religions must have started with good intent of worshipping one God, who is without form (which even the Vedas says), help fellow humans in need but got contaminated, deviated and started worshipping idols, created things and started hating fellow humans along with a mix of good works..

    Jesus was only different. His teachings of blessing those who hate you, forgiving those who hurt and curse you and helping and loving everyone irrespective of their faith, belief, sex, financial status, race, age, ethnic origin, prison status, country and his attitude towards you was out of this world, divine.
    Such a person like Jesus cannot be a normal person, He must be God.

    And that is why Jesus does appear to so many non-Christians in their NDEs,
    Also, Jesus appears to so many Muslims in their dreams and visions,
    Jesus reveals himself to all who sincerely search for God.

    In spite of all the expletives Face the truth , Why/Continuum use, I don’t retaliate with expletives because the holders of these screen names and you, I, we all are made in the image of God.

    Jesus has told us to pray and bless our enemies and not curse and use expletives. If we do the same as return hate for hate then we who follow Christ are no different than those who follow false gods.

    When you accept Jesus, your level of compassion, forgiveness, love increases.

    Jesus is the way, the truth and life.

  13. Ron says:

    I am not an expert on Bible, but I am giving you the answer.

    Ezekiel is being told in advance that Israel (Jews) is straying away from the righteousness and from the ways of God and so God will not protect them from an impending siege by its enemies in the near future.
    A siege which will cause shortage over everything including fuel. So Ezekiel is to prophesize and say that cooking fuel will be so short, that Jews will not even have animal dung for fuel but will have to use human stools for fuel.
    God always moves by faith and prayers. That is His greatness. Even if a you or even a murderer repents then He will accept them also. It does not matter what sins but sincere repentance and not a show of it is important. God has made us and so can easily read us.
    If God does not move by sincere prayers and faith then He is not God. But note that it is His bigger plan which we may not understand.

  14. Truth Seeker says:

    There are Billions of people in world who have not iota of knowledge about Jesus my mother and father among them. What will be their fate afterlife? If they enter in heaven without believing in Jesus, arrival of Jesus for them was futile.

  15. Truth Seeker says:

    @Vijay

    Ron does not believe in any discussion. He has adopted Muslims style to abuse others and run out from logic.

  16. Vijay says:

    @Ron,
    First cool down. Please keep aside your hatred towards Hinduism for a while and answer me.
    If God can assume one form (Jesus as you believe) what stops God from assuming many?

    Islam is still out there. First finish it and then think of sharing spoils between us. Rather you are spreading baseless misinformation and hatred against Hinduism.

    Jesus’ teachings were based on love and service though Christianity too is encrusted in the cruel Abrahamic -semitic religious framework which we Hindus will not buy.

  17. continuum says:

    Ron Says:
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    The youtube video mentions worshipping cow stool (dung) by Indian Hindus.

    Selling cow dung for worship is different from the primitive way of using cow dung for fuel.
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    The title can say anything as anti-Hindu hating idiots like you can make up any title they want. The video is just showing some kids selling cow dung, for what purpose it is not mentioned. All they say is they get money for selling cow dung. Cow dun is most common form of fuel in Indian villages even these days..Its cheap and bio-degradable…

    Can you show one Hindu text, where it says that one should worship cow dung? You cannot as it does not exist.

    Ron Says:
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    In Ezekiel 4, God is commanding Ezekiel to perform a series of symbolic acts to prophesy to the people of what is to come. Some of these tasks are quite hard, such as sleeping on his side for over a year. One such command is for Ezekiel to cook his food with human poop/dung. Ezekiel was to use the poop as fuel for his cooking fire. The symbolic purpose was to teach Israel that they too would eat unclean food, as the human excrement would defile the food.
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    What kind of bull shit is this? LOL!! Really !!! 🙂

    Symbolism my ass….So your demon god for symbolism told Ezekiel to pick up fresh, juicy, smelly human excreta as Ezekiel himself or his neighbor poops and prepare bread with it and eat it….

    and Ezekiel for symbolism ate bread with human excreta…. LOL 🙂 Your demon god could have simply told they would be eating unclean food, instead of asking Ezekiel to eat bread leavened with human excreta….

    You are talking Bull Shit Ron as is ur demon god… 🙂

    Ron Says:
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    But this is too much for the committed Ezekiel. If he were to eat this food, he would be undoing his life’s work in remaining pure in food. God instantly changes His mind and allows Ezekiel to use cow dung instead of human dung. This is an instant change of plan based on a real time prayer/petition. God’s original plan is modified to allow for the concerns of his prophet.
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    So its not mere symbolism you LIAR…..Here Ezekiel was literally asked to pick up fresh juicy smelly human excreta as it was passed out by a human being (**in their sight** as Ezekiel 4:12 verse says) and eat with bread….Otherwise why would Ezekiel petition not to eat wit human excreta….Your argument clearly proves that your demon mad bible god asked Ezekiel to literally eat human excreta (not symbolic) leavened bread..

    Second, you yourself say “God instantly changes His mind and allows Ezekiel to use cow dung”, when your demon god was petitioned by Ezekiel about food getting unclean with human dung….The implication is then that food cooked with cow dung is NOT unclean, even as per your demonic bible god….This proves that Hindus using cow dung does not make them unclean as per your demon god also…

    Ron Says:
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    God’s plans can change based on prayer and/or the desires of people . God’s plans are flexible and can change in an instant depending on prayer. What God declares does not necessarily come to past. God does not mind changing His plans to accommodate people so as to answer prayers.
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    What kind of stupid god do you worship who changes his mind based on his worshiper’s prayers? What kind of god does not know human excreta stinks, smells and is unclean and later changes his mind?

  18. Ron says:

    The youtube video mentions worshipping cow stool (dung) by Indian Hindus.

    Selling cow dung for worship is different from the primitive way of using cow dung for fuel.

    In Ezekiel 4, God is commanding Ezekiel to perform a series of symbolic acts to prophesy to the people of what is to come. Some of these tasks are quite hard, such as sleeping on his side for over a year. One such command is for Ezekiel to cook his food with human poop/dung. Ezekiel was to use the poop as fuel for his cooking fire. The symbolic purpose was to teach Israel that they too would eat unclean food, as the human excrement would defile the food.

    But this is too much for the committed Ezekiel. If he were to eat this food, he would be undoing his life’s work in remaining pure in food. God instantly changes His mind and allows Ezekiel to use cow dung instead of human dung. This is an instant change of plan based on a real time prayer/petition. God’s original plan is modified to allow for the concerns of his prophet.

    This entire incident counters all sorts of classical theology. God’s plans can change based on prayer and/or the desires of people . God’s plans are flexible and can change in an instant depending on prayer. What God declares does not necessarily come to past. God does not mind changing His plans to accommodate people so as to answer prayers.

  19. continuum says:

    RON,

    SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR YOU.. 🙂

    PROFUT EZEKIEL ATE HIS OWN AND HIS NEIGHBOR’S HUMAN EXCRETA (PICKED UP FRESH, JUICY AND SMELLY) WITH HIS BREAD AS PER THE ORDERS OF THE demonic bible god.

    Ezekiel 4:12,15:

    12. And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, **in their sight**.

    15. So He said to me, “See! I have given you **cattle dung** instead of human excrement, and you shall prepare your bread upon it.”

    So you might say that God is cool with you eating your own excrement and cattle dung. So why are you so bothered Ron when your bible nut god and his prophets were ok with eating bread leavened with their own human and cattle dung?

    BESIDES YOUR demonic bible god’s HOT FAVORITE FOOD IS ANIMAL AND HUMAN DUNG, WHICH HE LIKES TO EAT AS SIN OFFERING.

    Clearly bible demon god has a certain fascination for blood, skin, dead human/animal corpses and THEIR DUNG IN PARTICULAR.

    Burn with fire the flesh, blood, skin, and **dung** of the sin offering
    Exodus 29:14

    (YOUR demon god’s HOT FAVORITE, **BULL SHIT** AS SHOWN multiple references BELOW)

    But the flesh of the **bullock**, and his skin, and **his dung**, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.
    Leviticus 4:11

    And the skin of the **bullock**, and all his flesh, with his head, and with his legs, and his inwards, and **his dung**,
    Leviticus 8:17

    But the **bullock**, and his hide, his flesh, and **his dung**, he burnt with fire without the camp; as the LORD commanded Moses.
    Leviticus 16:27

    And the **bullock** for the sin offering, and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place, shall one carry forth without the camp; and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and **their dung**.
    Numbers 19:5

    And one shall burn the **heifer** in his sight; her skin, and her flesh, and her blood, with **her dung**, shall he burn:

    I think this should be enough for your ROn on justifying eating your own dung (both literally and metaphorically)

  20. continuum says:

    Ron Says:

    We learnt that Hindus worshipping cows, snakes, dogs, pigs, monkey, rats, birds, trees, stones, skulls, penis, vagina, menstrual blood is primitive and illogical.

    But worhsipping cow shit in Hinduism is a new low!!!!
    It is not freedom in Hinduism as one of the posts was mentioning, rather it is insanity, satanic, demonic, primitive.
    ================================================

    Did I get on your nerve Ron, you silly bastard corpse worshiping crustian and filthy rotting pig corpse eater? LOL… 🙂 Did you eat from your demonic bible how your profut Ezekiel ate his own dung with bread? 🙂

    Nobody among Hindus are worship cow dung…..Repeating lies does not make it true….

    Now, do you know what is the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWrmmTOAotM) about you dumb ass crustian? Obviously you do not understand the language, otherwise you would not have posted this nonsense..

    The children are selling cow dung as fuel….Dried cow dung is used as fuel for many purposes from cooking to heating anything….Cow dung is a good fuel that is available cheap and is used all over villages in India. The person is asking are there people who buy cow dung for fuel? The children say yes and that they earn money from this.

    See the comment in the youtube video if you do not believe me..comment is made 6 years ago…
    =====================
    Kk C 6 years ago
    This is the time for these children to play &study but These children are selling cow dunk for supporting their parents by earning money
    =========================

  21. Ron says:

    We learnt that Hindus worshipping cows, snakes, dogs, pigs, monkey, rats, birds, trees, stones, skulls, penis, vagina, menstrual blood is primitive and illogical.

    But worhsipping cow shit in Hinduism is a new low!!!!
    It is not freedom in Hinduism as one of the posts was mentioning, rather it is insanity, satanic, demonic, primitive.

  22. continuum says:

    Ron Says:

    Watch Hindus worshipping cow dung (literal bull shit)
    Is this freedom in religion or insanity?
    =============================================

    You are one dumb ass…..Using cow dung in rituals is not same as worshiping cow dung you moron. Hindus use so many products in rituals, including water, fire, bricks, sesame oil, butter, ghee, rice, flours etc. Does it mean they worship it?

    Your demonic bible is quite ok with his prophet Ezekiel eat bread cooked with human excrement and he is quite ok cooked with cattle dung as well…I am flabbergasted as to why you should worry about bunch of Hindus taking bath in cattle dung, when your bible demon god is quite ok with his Prophet Ezekiel eating bread baked with fresh smelly human dung…(notice the verse below that says “thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.”)…it says “in their sight”…it means human dung is nice, wet, fresh and smelly….:)

    Did Ezekiel wash his hands after touching his own human dung or seeing his neighbor excrete and picking his neighbor’s dung? There were no soaps among bible god’s followers…now imagine Ezekiel going for a nature call and picking his own dung to cook his bread and touching his bread with hands laced with his dung:) LOL 🙂 Lo profiteer muhammad also followed in profut ezekiel footsteps of drinking his own and camel’s urine…

    Ezekiel 4:12,15:

    12. And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, **in their sight**.

    15. So He said to me, “See! I have given you **cattle dung** instead of human excrement, and you shall prepare your bread upon it.”

    So you might say that God is cool with you eating your own excrement and cattle dung. So why are you so bothered Ron when your bible nut god and his prophets were ok with eating bread leavened with their own human and cattle dung? 🙂

    Finally the mamzer jeebus clearly says that

    Matthew 15

    What Defiles a Man

    10 Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “Listen and understand.

    11 A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but” by what comes out of it.

    🙂

    BIBLE demon gOD ACCEPTS HUMAN AND ANIMAL DUNG AS SIN OFFERING…

    Ron, when your bible demon god himself eats birds and animal poo poo as offering why are you bothered about Hindus bathing in cow dung?

    Clearly bible demon god has a certain fascination for blood, skin, dead human/animal corpses and THEIR DUNG IN PARTICULAR.

    Burn with fire the flesh, blood, skin, and dung of the sin offering
    Exodus 29:14

    But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.
    Leviticus 4:11

    And the skin of the bullock, and all his flesh, with his head, and with his legs, and his inwards, and his dung,
    Leviticus 8:17

    But the bullock, and his hide, his flesh, and his dung, he burnt with fire without the camp; as the LORD commanded Moses.
    Leviticus 16:27

    And the bullock for the sin offering, and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place, shall one carry forth without the camp; and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and their dung.
    Numbers 19:5

    And one shall burn the heifer in his sight; her skin, and her flesh, and her blood, with her dung, shall he burn:

    I think this should be enough for your ROn on justifying eating your own dung (both literally and metaphorically)

  23. continuum says:

    Ron Says:

    Watch Hindus worshipping cow dung (literal bull shit)
    Is this freedom in religion or insanity?

    Hindus throw toddlers (kids) in cow dungs as part of worship.

    Is this freedom or insanity?
    Jesus is the way, the truth and life
    ==========================================

    Cow dung and Cow product is used in many sacred rituals in Hinduism. So this is all you have Ron 🙂

    Now, how does this mean that worship of stinking corpse of adultery born jeebus is the way or the truth or the life? Clearly you are brain dead…

    Now lets see, you crustians, sikhs who made the video etc. do not have any problem consuming rotting, stinking, dead corpses of animals including filthy pigs by burning them (you crustians are corpse eaters and corpse worshipers), but you have a problem when Hindus use cow dung in rituals, which they do not consume.

  24. Ron says:

    Hindus throw toddlers (kids) in cow dungs as part of worship.

    Is this freedom or insanity?
    Jesus is the way, the truth and life

  25. Ron says:

    Watch Hindus worshipping cow dung (literal bull shit)
    Is this freedom in religion or insanity?

  26. God says:

    I am God.
    Dear muslims, who asked you to call me by name Allah?
    I am beyond your senses and imagination and yet you say I spoke to moses and many so called prophets and angels?
    Who said I created jannah, angels, jinn, adam and satan? it is your imagination!!
    I am beyond space and time and you say I am in jannah or I am sitting in a throne? (Quran 67:17 to 67:19)
    Thus you define me in your own way but if non muslims calls me by different names, imagine forms of me and try to worship me in their ways you attack them!! who gave you the right to ridicule other religions and harm others?

  27. continuum says:

    Ali Sina Says:
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    John 12: (47)As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
    ===================================

    Were you able to sleep Ali Sina after finding this verse? 🙂

    So you quote this verse to justify your **belief** or rather **lack of belief** in some of the words of your man-god jeebus (THAT he died for sins of the world) from the gospels, that he does not judge you for this. Wait, not so quickly….

    In some actual versions of Greek texts, some use “κ. μὴ φυλάξῃ = kai mē phylaxē = and not keep (them)” and some use “κ. μὴ πιστεύσῃ = kai mē pisteusē = and NOT believe” for verse John 12:47

    Both the Greek version of texts in effect have the same meaning, that the person DOES NOT BELIEVE IN man-god jeebus and that jeebus does NOT judge them for “rejecting his words” by implication “rejecting him”.

    Mark 8:38

    Whoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

    CLEARLY ALI SINA YOU ARE ASHAMED OF JEEBUS’ WORDS THAT HE CAME TO THIS WORLD TO COMMIT SUICIDAL RITUAL HUMAN SACRIFICE…. 🙂

    What does man-god jeebus mean that he does not judge them? During jeebus’ ministry on Earth, he imagined himself to have come to Earth for saving all, and therefore NOT to judge people when he, jeebus, is on Earth…This is what man-god jeebus means in John 12:47.

    Now lets see John 12:48

    Ali Sina Says:
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    John 12: (48)There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
    ===================================

    So, here, jeebus is saying that one who does NOT believe or receive his words will be punished by his imaginary judge, “god the father”.

    Since, Ali Sina, you have NOT received jeebus’ words fully from goose-pels, you will be judged and punished. Jeebus will be ashamed of you on Judgment day, since you are ashamed of deluded mentally retarded suicidal words of jeebus coming to die for the sins of the world.

    AS FOR US WE NETHER BELIEVE IN MAMZER JEEBUS NOR THE illogical DECEITFUL LIES HE HAS UTTERED. LOGIC PROVES THIS AND NOW YOU HAVE REDUCED YOURSELF AS AN ILLOGICAL CRUSTIAN BELIEVER WHO THREATENS WITH HELL…..THIS IS WHAT ALL THE ABRAHAMIC BELIEVERS DO…JUST LIKE MUHAMMAD DID WITH FEAR OF HELL..

  28. Ali Sina says:

    John 12: (47)As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. (48)There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

    Matthew 10:33
    “But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

    Luke 12:9
    but he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.

  29. peace2all says:

    There is no moderate Islam and no moderate muslims. These so called moderate muslims are actually bad muslims. Please read Ali SIna’s article The good, the bad and the ugly to understand this point. Unfortunately these moderate muslims provide the solid foundation for the Islamic ideology to take hold.

  30. Face_The_Truth says:

    [Screen-name Dinesh says:
    Jesus as the best example of love and compassion did never ever say that he does not loves those who do not love him, He was even more compassionate and loving to those who killed him.]

    Screen-name Dinesh is a typical Christian liar.

    A Christian liar will spread falsehoods; because, Christianism is entirely based on one historic lie after another!

    ‘The New English Bible version of the New Testament published jointly by Oxford and Cambridge universities in 1961 A.D. mentions many instances where passages have been inserted or taken out.

    The most significant example is that of John 8.11 which tells the story of how Jesus saved from being stoned a woman caught in adultery.

    “This passage, which in the most widely received editions of the New Testament is printed in the text of John 7.53-8.11, has NO fixed place in our ancient manuscripts.

    Some of them DO NOT contain it at all.

    Some place it after Luke 21.38, others after John 7.36 or 7.52, or 21.24.”

    In any case, the story DOES NOT occur in any manuscript prior to the end of the fourth century A.D.

    Scholars are now agreed that it is an interpolation.

    Similar is the case of Luke 23.34 where Jesus is made to cry from the cross:

    “FATHER, FORGIVE THEM; THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.”

    Incidentally, these are precisely the two statements, apart from the Sermon on the Mount, which M.K. GANDHI and M.K. GANDHI’s followers quote about Jesus most frequently.

    No Christian missionary or no Christian theologian is known to have informed the Indian “Hindu” admirers of Jesus that these two statements form NO part of the authenticated teachings of Jesus.’

  31. continuum says:

    Dinesh Says:
    ========================================
    Jesus as the best example of love and compassion did never ever say that he does not loves those who do not love him,
    He was even more compassionate and loving to those who killed him..
    ========================================

    Ali Sina Says:
    ======================================
    But God does not love those who do not love Him, worship the Devil instead and kill His children.
    ======================================

    This man-god jeebus is not only not forgiving to so called devil-worshippers, he is absolutely unforgiving to those who do NOT accept jeebus as “god”…and wishes for eternal torment of unbelievers in hell….This is not characteristic of a forgiving loving “god”, but of a demonic hate filled creature…This is akin to Mohammad or underworld Don or terrorist who wil kill those who do not listen to him and does not accept him. These human beings kill only the body and its over, but this demonic mamzer jeebus wants to send all unbelievers to eternal torment in hell…..This demon Jeebus is worse than these terrorists who tortures souls for eternity…

    Matthew 10

    14 And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.

    15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

    IN THE ABOVE VERSES, the adultery born bastard jeebus shows his real heart, where he wishes eternal hell for those who do not accept his demonic teachings that he is son of OT demon-god. Clearly, bastard jeebus is a hypocrite, who teaches one thing for others and holds unlimited hatred for those who do not accept him.

    Not only this, mamzer jeebus is responsible for laying the very foundation of antisemitism. CRUSTIANS AND ALI SINA LIE AS USUAL..

    Lets see how much this illicitly born bastard jeebus sowed the seeds of anti-semitism…so much for so called forgiveness…

    Demon son jeebus calls Jews as sons of devil, sowing seeds of Jew hatred…..name calling…

    “Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8.43-47)

    Jeebus wishes death and torture for his enemies, the jews…Bastard jeebus wishes eternal hell for jews….so much for love…

    “The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 8.12)

    Bastard Jeebus calls Jews as the murderers of prophets, just like QURAN CALLS the Jews

    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38) Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children” (Matthew 27:25). 1 “But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)

    “Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?” Quran. 2:91

  32. Dinesh says:

    The last two lines looks as your own interpretation of likes and dislikes of God,
    Jesus as the best example of love and compassion did never ever say that he does not loves those who do not love him,
    He was even more compassionate and loving to those who killed him..

  33. continuum says:

    http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/download/satyarth_prakash_eng.pdf

    Preta (in Sanskrit) really means a dead body, and Bhuta means who is deceased.

    In support of this contention we quote Manu:- “After his death, the pupil who helps in cremating his teacher’s Preta is purified in ten days together with other people who carry the Preta in the crematorium.” * MANU 5: 65.

    It is clear, then, that Preta in the above quotation cannot mean anything else but the dead body.
    ======================================================================

    The scoundrel Dayananda who quoted selectively Manu Smriti verse to support his interpretation, sneakily avoided many other verses from the same Manu smriti which talk about Preta as ghosts…

    12.70. But (men of the four) castes who have relinquished without the pressure of necessity their proper occupations, will become the servants of Dasyus, after migrating into despicable bodies.

    12.71. A Brahmana who has fallen off from his duty (becomes) an Ulkamukha Preta, who feeds on what has been vomited; and a Kshatriya, a Kataputana (Preta), who eats impure substances and corpses.

    12.72. A Vaisya who has fallen off from his duty becomes a Maitrakshagyotika Preta, who feeds on pus; and a Sudra, a Kailasaka (Preta, who feeds on moths).

    The same Manu smriti which Dayananda quoted selectively also talks about different kinds of Pretas aka ghosts..

    Now why did Dayananda selectively quote what suits him? Dayananda is a scoundrel hypocrite and a con man, who wanted to start his own religion with his own interpretation. It is said that sinful people die a horrible excruciating death in Hinduism. One who misinterprets Vedas, especially dies in young age and/or dies in excruciating pain. This has been the case with few others, just like Dayananda who dies with excriciating pain of being poisoned. All sinful people die in pain.

  34. continuum says:

    Hindu Says:
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    There is no existence of demon or devil. When a soul wrapped by evil thoughts it acts like demon.
    =======================================

    According to your stupid arya samaji theory, how a soul gets “wrapped by evil thoughts”? How does a soul which is essentially same (qualitatively identical not numerically identical), in all living creatures, one of them performs good actions, while others perform bad actions? Why is there difference, when all souls are qualitatively identical? Neither your dumb ass founder nor any of arrogant stupid Arya Samajis like you can answer this question..

    Hindu Says:
    =======================================
    @Cantinuum oh come on from your imiginary world of ghost. Insane Charistian like Ron enough for this.
    =======================================

    Really!!! stupid Arya Samaji….Did you know your stupid founder has written about ghosts in his “asatyarthaprakash”? 🙂

    Did Mr. Dayanand believe in disembodied soul? Yes, he believed souls transmigrate after death through wind, grains etc. into another suitable body….What happens after death and before rebirth? Soul is disembodied floating around in elements in wind like a ghost? SO there are invisible disembodied souls (ghosts) which can exist as per Dayanand…..So there you go…..If souls can exist without body, disembodied in nature, then by implication disembodied evil souls aka devils can also exist…What logical argument stupid Dayanand have except assertion against non-existence of these while he himself believes in effect the same….

    Your stupid Dayananda does not have anything logical to refute it…..all he does is make assertions that bhuta, preta does not exist….There is elaborate sraddha rituals in Hinduism which relieve ancestors from different stages of being preta after death…..Manu smriti which your Dayananda quotes, talks about preta aka ghosts…

    3.230. A tear sends the (food) to the Pretas (ghosts), anger to his enemies, a falsehood to the dogs, contact with his foot to the Rakshasas, a shaking to the sinners.

    12.59. Men who delight in doing hurt (become) carnivorous (animals); those who eat forbidden food, (become) worms; thieves, creatures consuming their own kind; those who have intercourse with women of the lowest castes, (become) Pretas.

    12.60. He who has associated with outcasts, he who has approached the wives of other men, and he who has stolen the property of a Brahmana become Brahmarakshasas.

    The scoundrel Dayanand quotes Manu Smriti 5:65 in his “astyarthaprakash” to support his interpretation that Preta means dead body, however, the same scoundrel avoids numerous mention of ghosts, brahmatakshas, Rakshas , pretas as ghosts and other demons in the same Manu smriti.

  35. continuum says:

    Ron Says:
    ================================
    Jesus in the Vedas
    Sanskrit verses from the Hindu Vedas and their meanings
    ================================

    Not one so called Sanskrit Vedic verses you quoted exist in reality….The Sanskrit verses are completely made up or some are NOT even in Sanskrit.

  36. continuum says:

    A Hindu

    There are only three entity exist whose existence are eternal i.e. God, Souls and primordial matter from which God makes this world like earth sun planets water air etc etc for soul’s consumption

    @Cantinuum oh come on from your imiginary world of ghost. Insane Charistian like Ron enough for this.
    =============================================================

    So you are the same dumb ass Arya Samaji idiot under different screen names who posted before as well…

    So in your world view, there is room for invisible “souls” and invisible “God”, which are NOT imaginary in your view, but a “ghost” or “devil” is imaginary for you…If you can believe in existence of infinite number of invisible (not imaginary) souls, where is the problem in believing existence of demonic souls aka devils…..You have no logical point to refute it except your stupid evil sinful Dayanand Saraswati who died an excruciating death because of his sins did not include this in his teachings.

    The Devil aka Kali Purusha (most evil soul) is very much part of Hinduism as shown from Mahabhratha just as Parama Purusha aka God is part of Hinduism as shown from the same Mahabharatha.

  37. Ron says:

    Jesus in the Vedas
    Sanskrit verses from the Hindu Vedas and their meanings

    Om Shri brahmaputhraye namaha– what does this mean?
    The only begotten son I worship thee. Who is the only begotten Son? It is the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Om shri Martha Namaha– the Holy Spirit of God I worship thee. (Who is the Holy Spirit of God? Again it is the Lord Jesus Christ.)

    Om shri Kannisuthayeha namaha-which means the Lord who is born to a virgin.

    Om vidyshtayaha Namaha– the Lord who had the circumcision I worship thee.

    Om shri Panchkayika namaha- the Lord who had the five injuries for the sake of mankind.

    Om shri vriksh shula arudayaka nama vrisha pondha marthil shulathil siluthayil baliyanavare, umbaye nan namaskarikunen. Who is the Lord who died on the cross of Calvary? ( All this is our Lord Jesus Christ. Our God is not a dead God. It is true that he came as a messiah to this world. He preached the gospel. He cancelled the devils and the demons. He healed the sick people ad brought salvation to so many people and finally he died on the cross of Calvary, he was buried but he did not become sand.)

    Om Shri mrithyu nayaya namaha meaning the Lord who resurrected from the depths of the Earth on the third day I worship thee”.

  38. Ron says:

    To all who don’t know Christ.

    Wars were always there in every part of the world and will always be there.

    Wars will be there even if UN is there or not there.

    Wars will be there even if all your enemies (Muslims and Christians of the whole world) are somehow taken away. In India, it will be open season Brahmins and the upper castes vs the Dalits and the other local castes.

    Wars may end only when there is a one world government which can happen at the severe loss of personal liberties and loss of freedom of religion.

    Many people have prophesised that it can happen in the future but we never know when.

    The rise of dystopian fictions/books all point in the same direction.

    India was never a utopia before the British and the Muslims conquered it. In fact, it was a land of divided Hindu kingdoms warring against each other. Traveling every 250 kms in India you needed a scroll with seals /permit.
    The feudal and caste system existed and was perpetuated by the upper castes since thousands of years.

    Some of you have been indoctrinated by hate and only love of Jesus can save you.

    Anyways try saying this prayer (you don’t have to admit you said the prayer)

    Oh, God who created me, show me the right path to love,
    Show me the way to worship you,
    Reveal yourself to me so that I can sincerely follow you.
    I believe in the religion of my parents and I am continuing to follow it.
    Oh, my true Creator and My true God come to me in dreams and visions and confirm that I am following your ways and confirm if I am not following your ways.
    Reconfirm that you are my God through third persons and I will then follow your path even if it is path I least expected.

    Many people have challenged the one true living God and have surprisingly come to the saving grace of Jesus.

  39. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    [Dear Face the truth,…]

    DO NOT ADDRESS UNKNOWN PEOPLE IN CONDESCENDING TONE.

    I AM NOT SEEKING FRIENDSHIP OF A CHRISTIAN M*****F***** LIKE YOURSELF.

    [Love is the solution to all your issues.]

    SO, HOW COME YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST’S “LOVE” HASN’T SOLVED ALL PROBLEMS IN THE PAST 2000 YEARS.

    RATHER, FROM THE COMMENCEMENT OF YOUR CHRISTIANISM, WORLDWIDE BLOODY WARS HAVE ONLY INCREASED.

    [Please see the film “Hotel Rwanda” (it is available on youtube) and also the film “Facing the devil”.]

    DO NOT INSTRUCT ME TO WATCH YOUR BULL$HIT CHRISTIAN MOVIES AND BULL$HIT CHRISTIAN VIDEOS.

    BECAUSE, I KNOW THE BLOODY HISTORY OF YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST.

    [Neighbours turned against neighbours and committed rape, gang-rape, pedophilia and machete and gun attacks against Tutsis and robbed them of their belongings.]

    SO, WHY DID YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S RAPE MOTHERS, SISTERS AND DAUGHTERS OF NON-BELIEVERS OF YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST ALL OVER THE WORLD IN THE PAST 2000 YEARS?

    SO, STOP LYING, YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****.

    I DO NOT ENGAGE MYSELF IN DIALOGUES WITH MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S LIKE YOURSELF.

    BECAUSE, ENGAGING IN DIALOGUES WITH MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S LIKE YOURSELF MEANS ISLAMISM AND CHRISTIANISM ARE EQUAL TO SANATANA DHARMA WHEN THEY ARE INHERENTLY NOT.

    A MUSLIM BASTARD OR A CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S LIKE YOURSELF MAY LIKE TO BELIEVE IN WHATEVER S/HE LIKES.

    BUT, WHEN YOU TRY TO IMPOSE YOUR HISTORIC CHRISTIAN AND ISLAMIC FALSEHOOD IN ME, I WILL HAVE NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO BREAK THE MAJOR BONES OF YOUR BODY WITH AN IRON-ROD.

    AND, WITH SEVERAL MAJOR BROKEN BONES YOUR BODY WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE YOUR CHRISTIAN IDOL JESUS F**KING CHRIST HANGING ON THE GALLOWS.

    [As you call Muslims as mosquitoes, please remember that even Hutus used to call Tutsis as cockroaches. This name calling and hate-mongering does not go well.]

    NO, I AM TALKING LOGIC BASED ON RECORDED HISTORY AND COMMONSENSE.

    MOSQUITOES SPREAD MALARIA.

    CHRISTIANITY SPREAD FALSEHOODS, DIVISIONS, AND GENOCIDE.

    ISLAM SPREAD GENOCIDE AND TERRORISM.

    SO, IN ORDER TO ERADICATE MALARIA, CIVILIZED HUMANS HAVE TO DESTROY THE MOSQUITOES.

  40. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    [The rioting and ethnic cleansing did not result in victory for the Hutus. Instead the minority Tutsis who went into hiding engaged in a bush war and slowly armed themselves, regrouped with the help of neighbouring countries and took over Rwanda.]

    WHAT YOU’VE JUST DESCRIBED IS WHAT OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS DID DURING MEDIEVAL TIME AFTER EVERY SUCCESSFUL ISLAMIC MILITARY VICTORY IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

    MIDDLE-EASTERN MUSLIMS FIRST MIGRATED TO INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ON MASS-SCALE AND COMFORTABLY SETTLED IN “HINDU”-MOTHERLAND.

    AND, THOSE SETTLED MIGRATORY-MUSLIMS ACTED AS EYES AND EARS OF SUBSEQUENT FOREIGN MUSLIM INVADERS IN THE GUISE OF PRACTICING A “VERY PEACEFUL” ISLAM.

    AND, THEN, AFTER A SUCCESSFUL ISLAMIC INVASION, FOREIGN MUSLIMS BECAME RULERS AND ISLAMIC LAW-GIVERS IN VARIOUS PARTS OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT WHILE SELLING MOTHERS, SISTERS, AND DAUGHTERS OF NON-BELIEVERS INTO SEXUAL SLAVERY AS WELL AS IMPOSING HEAVY PUNITIVE TAXES ON NON-BELIEVERS OF ISLAM IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

    BUT, OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS DID NOT GIVE UP AND OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS DID NOT ABANDON THEIR FOREFATHERS’ FAITH — EXCEPT FOR THOSE WHO WERE THE LIKES OF M.K. GANDHI AND M.K. GANDHI’S FOLLOWERS.

    AND, OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS RE-GROUPED AND RE-CLAIMED THEIR MOTHERLAND AGAIN AND AGAIN FROM FOREIGN MUSLIM AND FOREIGN CHRISTIAN INVADERS.

    THAT’S WHY — DUE TO OUR “HINDU” FOREFATHERS’ NEVER-ENDING SACRIFICES — VAST MAJORITY OF INDIANS TODAY DO NEITHER BELIEVE IN YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST, NOR BELIEVE IN MUHAMMAD THE ARABIAN BASTARD.

    [They are now having a power-sharing deal with Hutus but the President who has power is a Tutsi.]

    DO NOT TELL ME TO SHARE SANATANA DHARMA WITH YOUR PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN SEMITIC BARBARISM.

  41. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    [I see a parallel between what happened in Rwanda to what might in India as the Hindu fanatical government encourages hatred and persecution of minorities.]

    IF YOU REALLY SEE A “PARALLEL”, PLEASE QUIT INDIA NOW.

    BECAUSE, IF YOU’RE ALREADY SEEING THE “PARALLEL”, THINGS WILL ONLY GET WORSE FOR YOU — CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S AND MUSLIM BASTARDS.

    [It is only the Indian media which is free and the diverse opposition parties which pander to their bases have not allowed ethnic cleansing riots to begin.]

    OF COURSE, YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S AND MUSLIM BASTARDS MAKE ALLIANCES WITH ANTI-“HINDU” INDIANS WHO WANT SANATANA DHARMA TO DISAPPEAR FROM EARTH.

    HIGHLY-PAID INDIAN COLLEGE PROFESSORS WRITE THAT, INDIA IS DOOMED BECAUSE OF MAJORITY OF INDIANS’ BELIEFS IN THEIR FOREFATHERS’ FAITH.

    SO-CALLED INDIAN COMMUNIST PARTY OFFICIALS AND THE INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY PEOPLE CONTINUE TO PANDER MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S FOR VOTES IN ORDER TO PERPETUALLY STAY IN HIGHLY-PAID POLITICAL OFFICES.

    INDIAN “HINDU” TAX-PAYERS FINANCIALLY SUBSIDIZE ISLAMIC MOSQUES, ISLAMIC MADRASSAS, ISLAMIC KHANKAS, AND ISLAMIC PILGRIMAGES TO SAUDI ARABIA.

    INDIAN “HINDUS’ CANNOT WRITE OR PUBLISH ANYTHING THAT “OFFENDS” INDIAN MUSLIMS BECAUSE OF BRITISH CHRISTIAN MOTH**F**KERS’ ANTI-BLASPHEMY LAWS IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT — WHEN BRITISH CHRISTIAN MOTH**F**KERS USED TO RULE.

  42. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    [Don’t push minorities into going into rebellion.]

    I DO NOT TAKE ORDERS FROM CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S LIKE YOURSELF.

    GO INTO REBELLION.

    I WILL BE GLAD TO SEE THE MINORITIES — CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS — ARE IN OPEN REBELLION.

    DON’T WAIT.

    IT’S THE HIGH TIME.

    NO SECRECY HERE.

    WHAT YOU MINORITIES HAVE BEEN DOING SECRETLY FOR PAST 200 YEARS IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT, I WANT TO SEE THAT IN OPEN SPACE — WITHOUT SECRECY.

    INDIAN “HINDUS” KNOW THAT, AFTER THE OPEN BATTLE OF KURUKSHETRA, SANATANA DHARMA PREVAILED.

    [It is a heavy price to pay.]

    INDIAN “HINDUS” ARE ALREADY PAYING THE HEAVY PRICES EVERYDAY TODAY FOR ALLOWING THE MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S TO STAY IN INDEPENDENT INDIA AND FOR NOT SENDING MUSLIM BASTARDS AND CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S TO PAKISTANS IN 1947 A.D.

    [Ask the Sri Lankans,…]

    YOU ASK THEM.

    [Ask the Punjabis…]

    YOU BRITISH CHRISTIAN M*****F*****S DEFEATED THE SIKHS — MILITARILY — IN ORDER TO DELIVER SIKH-CONTROLLED AREAS TO MUSLIM BASTARDS TO CREATE NORTH-WEST FRONTIER PROVINCE (I.E., WEST PAKISTAN).

    […and Ask the Lebanese.]

    YOU AMERICAN CHRISTIAN C.I.A. M*****F*****S CREATED ISLAMIC TERRORIST GROUPS IN LEBANON.

    [Try to win Muslims with genuine love.]

    “HINDU” TRAITOR M.K. GANDHI AND HIS FOLLOWERS HAVE TRIED YOUR CHRISTIAN “LOVE” A LOT.

    BUT, APPARENTLY, THAT CHRISTIAN “LOVE” OF TRAITOR M.K. GANDHI AND FOLLOWERS DID NOT WORK.

    BECAUSE, IF I GIVE AN INCH TO A MUSLIM BASTARD AND A CHRISTIAN M*****F*****, THE MUSLIM BASTARD AND THE CHRISTIAN M*****F***** DEMAND AN ENTIRE FOOT FROM ME.

  43. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    [I know you can’t because with Hinduism you cannot have love…]

    SO, IF YOU ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ME, WHY ARE YOU WASTING YOUR TIME IN INSTRUCTING ME WITH YOUR CHRISTIAN FALSEHOODS?

    […(you can only have lust from lustful sex-maniac Gods).]

    SEE THE PROBLEM HERE.

    YOU HAVE ALREADY CONCLUDED THAT INDIAN “HINDUS” “only have lust from lustful sex-maniac gods”, THEN WHY DO YOU EVEN BOTHER BEING IN INDIA OR BEING INVOLVED WITH INDIAN “HINDUS”?

    SHOULDN’T YOU BE WITH YOUR CHRISTIAN CHILD-MOLESTERS NOW AS WELL AS BE WITH YOUR MUSLIM-BASTARD-BROTHERS IN MIDDLE-EAST WHO SELL CHRISTIAN GIRLS INTO ISLAMIC SEXUAL-SLAVERY TO THIS DAY?

    [For genuine love, you need Jesus only.]

    FOR GENUINE PEACE AND LOVE, I WANT YOU CHRISTIAN M*****F***** DEAD ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    PLEASE TELL ME WHEN YOU WILL DIE.

    [Jesus is the way, the truth and life.]

    YOUR FICTITIOUS JESUS F**KING CHRIST WAS ACTUALLY A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE 2000 YEARS AGO.

    AND, A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE IS NOT THE WAY OF LIFE FOR NON-BELIEVERS.

    [When people with lots of in-built hate accept Jesus, they change 180 degrees and in turn spread tremendous love and the message of Jesus without fear, without money and with malice towards none.]

    I DO NOT HAVE “HATE”.

    I HAVE THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY IN MY HAND.

  44. A Hindu says:

    According to nasa sanskrit language is most scientific language for computer i think bible is not in sanskrit. Ancient Hindu were much advanced than charistains

  45. A Hindu says:

    There are only three entity exist whose existence are eternal i.e. God, Souls and primordial matter from which God makes this world like earth sun planets water air etc etc for soul’s consumption

  46. A Hindu says:

    @Cantinuum oh come on from your imiginary world of ghost. Insane Charistian like Ron enough for this.

  47. continuum says:

    A Hindu

    There is no existence of demon or devil. When a soul wrapped by evil thoughts it acts like demon.
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    Hinduism does have a devil or demon….It is a male being called Kali Purusha. Duryodhana is incarnation of Kali Purusha, the devil.
    ———————-
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01068.htm

    **The evil-minded and wicked king Duryodhana, the destroyer of the fair fame of the Kurus, was born of a portion of Kali on earth.** He it was who caused all creatures to be slain and the earth to be wasted; and he it was who fanned the flame of hostility that ultimately consumed all. They who had been the sons of Pulastya (the Rakshasas) were born on earth among men of Duryodhana’s brothers, that century of wicked individuals commencing with Duhasasana as their first. And, O bull among the Bharata princes, Durmukha, Duhsaha, and others whose names I do not mention, who always supported Duryodhana (in all his schemes), were, indeed, the sons of Pulastya.
    —————————————

    On the other hand, Kālī (/ˈkɑːli/; Sanskrit: काली) is a goddess. She is destroyer of evil forces. Ron, the fool does NOT know the difference between the two, as English language has limited letters ad does not differentiate between a long “ā” and a short “a”.

  48. continuum says:

    Ron Says:
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    The proof that Kali is a demon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_(demon)

    In Hinduism, Kali (Devanāgari: कलि, IAST: kali, with both vowels short; from a root kad, “suffer, grieve, hurt; confound, confuse”) is the reigning lord of Kali Yuga and archenemy of Kalki, the 10th and final Avatar of the Hindu God Vishnu.
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    You stupid god damned idiot follower of bastard jeebus…..I have already clarified this you brainless useless fellow…do you have a brain?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali

    Kālī (/ˈkɑːli/; Sanskrit: काली), also known as Kālikā (Sanskrit: कालिका), is a Hindu goddess. Kali is one of the ten Mahavidyas, a list which combines Sakta and Buddhist goddesses.

    Kālī (/ˈkɑːli/; Sanskrit: काली), a goddess is absolutely different from Kali (Devanāgari: कलि), the male demon. Learn some phonetics you dumb ass…

    “ā” in Kālī is a long “a”, while “a” in Kali is a short “a”. These are two different words.

  49. A Hindu says:

    @Ron

    Kaliyuga is nothing but division of time. Indian Rishis divided the time in four parts Satyayuga which is of 1728000 years 2.Treta Yuga of 1296000 years 3 Dwapar Yuga 864000 years last and final Kaliyuga of 432000 years. This division of time made to record events happening on earth from its creation. It has nothing to do with good of bad. As it is January month next will be February. We divided the time to records date of events happened.

  50. A Hindu says:

    @Ron

    There is no existence of demon or devil. When a soul wrapped by evil thoughts it acts like demon.

  51. Ron says:

    The proof that Kali is a demon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_(demon)

    In Hinduism, Kali (Devanāgari: कलि, IAST: kali, with both vowels short; from a root kad, “suffer, grieve, hurt; confound, confuse”) is the reigning lord of Kali Yuga and archenemy of Kalki, the 10th and final Avatar of the Hindu God Vishnu. In the Kalki Purana, he is portrayed as a demon and the source of all evil. In the Mahabharata, he was a gandharva who possessed Nala, forcing him to lose his Kingdom in a game of dice to his brother Pushkara. His most famous incarnations are Ravana and Duryodhana. Kali is similar to the demon Kroni and his incarnation Kaliyan of Ayyavazhi mythology.

  52. continuum says:

    Ali Sina Says:
    ==============================
    Christ paid the ultimate price for our ignorance and sin. But this was not planned by God. God does not need blood to ransom anyone. He demands no sacrifice, let alone that of His own son. Those who crucified Jesus, were not fulfilling God’s will. They were an ingenuous people, committing a grave sin.
    ==============================

    Mamzer jeebus paid for his sins according to your quote…”the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself”

    According to your quote, jeebus was bearing the fruits of his own wickedness for calling himself as God or son of God, while he was merely a human born sin through adultery….

    One could also say, he was punished for the iniquity of his adulterous mother as well..as per Devarim – Deuteronomy – Chapter 23:2

    If mamzer jeebus was righteous, without sin or wickedness and actually son of God, why didn’t God save him? The fruits of the wicked and sinful shall be suffering only.

    Besides, how do you know your mamzer jeebus did not believe he died for the sins of the world….THIS IS VERY CLEAR FROM JEEBUS’ OWN WORDS IN THE GOOSE-PELS…

    John 18:11

    Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?” (Jeebus planned to die through torture as it is his god’s idea)

    John 10:18

    **No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord.** **I have authority to lay it down** and authority to take it up again. **This command I received from my Father.**”

    John 10:15 Young’s Literal Translation

    according as the Father doth know me, and I know the Father, and my life I lay down for the sheep,

    John 10:11

    “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

    John 10:17

    The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life–only to take it up again.

    Matthew 17:22-23

    He said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.” But they did not understand what he meant and were afraid to ask him about it.

    Mark 8:31–33, Matthew 16:21–28, Luke 9:22–27 (get thee behind me satan episodes in different goose-pels), Mark 9:30–32, Matthew 20:17–19 all say that mamzer jeebus knew about his impending death.

    ALL THE FOUR GOOSE-PELS UNANIMOUSLY DECLARE THIS AS SHOWN ABOVE.

    BASED ON WHAT CRITERIA DO YOU REJECT THEM? YOU CANNOT CLAIM THE REASON FOR REJECTION AS “BECAUSE IT IS ILLOGICAL”. It is possible that mamzer jeebus in fact believed in the illogical delusions. You have to give more than merely “it is illogical, therefore I do not believe” reason for your rejection. You know jeebus existed only from goose-pels.

    You chose to believe he is son of god, but reject his suicidal riualistic absolution of sins of mankind, only because it conflicts with your logical mind. The idea of son of god, born through combination of semen and eggs with 9 month gestation period however does not bother your mind. Without the scrifice of jeebus, the entire stry of jeebus is useless and merely about another man who went around teaching some nonsense…

    ALi sina you must have a proper reason to reject goose-pel accounts, especially jeebus’ own words…Only a con-man like you will choose and pick what he wants without proper reason…

  53. continuum says:

    Ali Sina Says:
    ==============================
    Christ paid the ultimate price for our ignorance and sin. But this was not planned by God. God does not need blood to ransom anyone. He demands no sacrifice, let alone that of His own son. Those who crucified Jesus, were not fulfilling God’s will. They were an ingenuous people, committing a grave sin.
    ==============================

    Mamzer jeebus paid for his sins according to your quote…”the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself”

    According to your quote, jeebus was bearing the fruits of his own wickedness for calling himself as God or son of God, while he was merely a human born sin through adultery….

    One could also say, he was punished for the iniquity of his adulterous mother as well..as per Devarim – Deuteronomy – Chapter 23:2

    If mamzer jeebus was righteous, without sin or wickedness and actually son of God, why didn’t God save him? The fruits of the wicked and sinful shall be suffering only.

    Besides, how do you know your mamzer jeebus did not believe he died for the sins of the world….THIS IS VERY CLEAR FROM JEEBUS’ OWN WORDS IN THE GOOSE-PELS…BASED ON WHAT CRITERIA DO YOU REJECT THEM? YOU CANNOT CLAIM THE REASON FOR REJECTION AS “BECAUSE IT IS ILLOGICAL”,

    It is possible that mamzer jeebus in fact believed in the illogical delusions. ALi sina you must have a proper reason to reject goose-pel accounts, especially jeebus’ own words…Only a con-man like you will choose and pick what he wants without proper reason…

    Ali Sina Says:
    ==============================
    I am not a fraud, but how a bigot like you would know that?
    =======================================

    Why I am abigot Ali Sina….If you can criticize Islam and not be a bigot, I can also criticize crustianity, adultery born mamzer jeebus and not be a bigot.

    On the contrary, you have shown yourself as an ultimate bigot and also a con-man…

    Alin Sina said:

    “While I do not think all Hindu deities have divine origin and most likely the godess kali is a demonic entity,

    What do you know about the Hindu deity “goddess kali” to make a comment like that above? Only a criustian bigot will make such statement without even knowing anything about Hinduism…When I call adultery born mamzer jeebus as a bastard, there is a reason for that which I provide from the goose-pels themselves….However, what reason do you have for calling “goddess Kali” or other Hindu deities? None, only your bigoted idiotic crustian belief that all other religious symbols and deities are demonic….YOU ARE A BIGOTTED CRUSTIAN ALI SINA…AND A HYPOCRITE…

  54. continuum says:

    Ali Sina Says:
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    Jesus did not come to die on the cross. This is a Christian dogma.
    ===============================

    I thought you claimed christianity is not a religion, but salvation….is salvation a dogma by implication it is a religion?

    Ali Sina Says:
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    Christians made this up because they could not explain why the son of God could be crucified. So they said it was all planned. That is absurd.
    ==============================

    I thought you said you were a crustian….so lets just say you are a pick and chose what you want type of half-crustian…AT the least you understand crustian idea of dying for others salvation is nonsense and absurd.

    Ali Sina Says:
    ==============================
    Ezekiel 18:20 says: “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.” This is a divine law. God does not make up new rules based on situations. His laws are universal and they all make sense. Christianity is not dogmatic, as Christians have made it look.
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    Ali Ali…..This is old tetsament or Jewish teachings…..not crustian teaching….

    Second, I will bring another verse from old testament which teaches completely the opposite…

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9987#showrashi=true

    Devarim – Deuteronomy – Chapter 23

    3 A bastard shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even the tenth generation shall not enter the assembly of the Lord.

    You see, at the least ten generations have to pay for the sins of one guy who engaged in adultery…So how do you deal with the contradiction within old testament? Here, offsprings up to at the least ten generations bear the iniquity of a forefather….

    Why do you pick and chose only what suits you Ali? You are a certified con-man…

  55. continuum says:

    Ali Sina Says:
    ==============================
    Love is not a dogma from the Old Testament. It is the core of the message of Jesus. If you find fault even with this teachings, you are a misguided soul and I see no hope in you.
    ===============================

    So what kind of love this man-god of you teaches? Lets see it from his own words……Lets see if you have the brains to analyze it…

    Matthew 15

    The Faith of the Canaanite Woman

    25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.”
    26 And he answered, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
    27 She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”

    Why did ur man-god call the woman equal to a dog? does unconditional love call others as dogs? Your man-god was simply following old tetsament principles…

    You may love your enemies or unbelievers as you love your dog. This is clear evidence from Jeebus himself that THERE IS CLEAR DISNTINCTION BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND UNBELIEVERS. Also note the following

    Matthew 5:48: And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

    Luke 12:45-48: “The lord [owner] of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

    Note these are man-god jeebus’ own sayings in goose-pels. Clearly brothers who are believers are contrasted with unbelievers who are pagans and referred as enemies…

    The love your man-god taught is not that all encompassing. It is merely a retelling of old testament principles, where believers and unbelievers are separated and segregated into different classes.

    SO MUCH FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR MAMZER MAN-gOD JEEBUS.

  56. continuum says:

    Ali Sina Says:
    ==============================
    That is right, Christianity for me is not a religion. It is salvation.
    ==============================

    Every religion claims it is salvation, not only ur crustianity….even islam does so….just because it is ur belief crustianity does not become true nor does it become something other than religion…Such statements are usually made by con artists and you are one of them…

    Ali Sina Says:
    ==============================
    True Christians lived like Mother Teresa. She became famous, but there are countless Mother Teresas in the faith of Christ.
    ==============================

    your teresa is nothing but a fraud belonging to Catholic church. She collected so much money in the name of service and did not even build proper toilets for the people in her so called orphanages for old people etc. She used all the money to transfer t the demonic catholic church…see the vides by christopher Hitchens who exposes this catholic whore teresa.

    Christopher Hitchens – Mother Teresa: Hell’s Angel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4

    Ali Sina Says:
    ==============================
    Love is not a dogma from the Old Testament. It is the core of the message of Jesus. If you find fault even with this teachings, you are a misguided soul and I see no hope in you.
    ===============================

    I see you are an idiot Ali Sina and see no hope for such idiots.

    dogmatic
    dɒɡˈmatɪk/
    adjective
    adjective: dogmatic

    inclined to lay down principles as undeniably true.

    So, whatever this love you are prosposing as “undeniably true” principle is the very definition of dogma.

    Whether these are the core teachings of your adultery born man-god or not, the teachings were the dogma of old testament. Your mamzer jeebus was just quoting them…

    DO you understand this simple statement. The guy was simply teaching old testament. This is not something original.

    Leviticus 19:18
    18 “ ‘Do not seek revengep or bear a grudgeq against anyone among your people,r but love your neighbors as yourself.t I am the Lord.

    Even the barbaric old testament says “love your enemies”, ie. feed them etc.

    Mishlei – Proverbs – Chapter 25

    21 If your enemy is hungry, feed him bread, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink;

    22 for you will be scooping coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you.

    This same verse is quoted by Paul in NT.

    Romans 12:20

    On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”

    SO JEEBUS TEACHING “LOVE YOUR ENEMIES”, WHICH jeebus COPIED FROM OLD TESTAMENT, IS NO UNIQUE TEACHING OTHER RELIGIONS DO NOT POSSESS.

  57. Ron says:

    Dear Face the truth,

    Love is the solution to all your issues.

    Please see the film “Hotel Rwanda” (it is available on youtube) and also the film “Facing the devil”
    In it you will notice that how the Hutus (the majority) were brainwashed, media washed by the minority Tutsis. When communal riots started, the majority turned upon the minority and massacred in 3 months in 1994 over 800,000 men, women and children in the name of ethnic cleansing in Rwanda.
    Neighbours turned against neighbours and committed rape, gang-rape, pedophilia and machete and gun attacks against Tutsis and robbed them of their belongings.
    The Hutu government actively supported as they blamed the country’s economy and corruption on the minority Tutsis.
    Post genocide research showed that many of the Hutu youngsters grew up in hate towards the Tutsis by the indoctrination of hate by their own families, elders, community leaders since birth. (The Tutsis were the 20% minority in the country). As you call Muslims as mosquitoes, please remember that even Hutus used to call Tutsis as cockroaches. This name calling and hate-mongering does not go well.
    The rioting and ethnic cleansing did not result in victory for the Hutus. Instead the minority Tutsis who went into hiding engaged in a bush war and slowly armed themselves, regrouped with the help of neighbouring countries and took over Rwanda. They are now having a power-sharing deal with Hutus but the President who has power is a Tutsi.
    I see a parallel between what happened in Rwanda to what might in India as the Hindu fanatical government encourages hatred and persecution of minorities. It is only the Indian media which is free and the diverse opposition parties which pander to their bases have not allowed ethnic cleansing vide riots to begin.
    Don’t push minorities into going into rebellion. It is a heavy price to pay. Ask the Sri Lankans, Ask the Punjabis and Ask the Lebanese.
    Try to win Muslims with genuine love. I know you can’t because with Hinduism you cannot have love (you can only have lust from lustful sex-maniac gods). For genuine love, you need Jesus only.
    Jesus is the way, the truth and life.

    When people with lots of in-built hate accept Jesus, they change 180 degrees and in turn spread tremendous love and the message of Jesus without fear, without money and with malice towards none.

  58. Face_The_Truth says:

    Disclaimer: This post is not being written as a criticism in any way or form.

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    Do all readers realize what is the problem with Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina?

    He wrote, “Wish you blessings”.

    Fact of the matter is one DOESN’T wish someone “blessings”.

    One (e.g., God) GIVES someone “blessings”.

    If I say, “May God bless you” or “God bless you” or just “God bless”, I mean that I am praying to God to give you “blessing(s)”.

    If my readers are familiar with statues or paintings of “Hindu” Puranic deities, my readers might notice that the “Hindu” Puranic deities show His/Her one hand’s palm to give “blessings”.

    Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina does not belong to Sanatana Dharma; so, I do not expect him to know the difference between “Wishing someone luck” versus “Giving someone blessing(s)”.

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    Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina wrote:

    “YOU ARE RIGHT! NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST. MOST MUSLIMS I KNOW ARE ACTUALLY PEACEFUL PEOPLE. I AM NOT FIGHTING MUSLIMS. I AM FIGHTING ISLAM. THIS IS LIKE SAYING I AM NOT FIGHTING THE INSANE, BUT INSANITY.”

    Do all readers realize the inherent problem in the idea of his above quoted sentences?

    Mosquitoes spread the germs of Malaria.

    So, in order to eradicate the disease of Malaria, humans have to destroy mosquitoes as well as the habitats of mosquitoes.

    Do all my readers agree with my logic?

    Now, question comes to mind how could world’s non-believers destroy world’s billions of mosquitoes (i.e., Muslims)?

    In order to eradicate mosquitoes, world’s non-believers must not facilitate the ideology of Islam by giving equal and any special status to Islam.

    For example, openly saying in every avenues of life that Islam’s founder was not only a bastard by birth circumstance alone, but also was a criminal-psychopath in adult-life and Islam is a military-political ideology that masquerades as a religion.

    For example, not having any dialogue with Muslims (i.e., mosquitoes) so that world’s Muslims understand that their ideology is incompatible with civilized lives; because, “having dialogue” means ultimately converting to Islam (or Christianity).

    For example, not allowing Muslims (i.e., mosquitoes) to migrate to non-Muslims’ land.

    My readers can come up with many more good ideas in order to eradicate world’s problem with mosquitoes since if I write any longer my post will be truncated by this FaithFreedom.Org website.

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  59. Ron says:

    Continued from below
    The last part of Dr Srinivas Bhattarchya (A Hindu (Double PHD, Gold medallist in Sanskrit and HIndu Shastra who became a Christian after discovering Christ in the Hindu Holy Scriptures)

    Om Shri mrithyu nayaya namaha meaning the Lord who resurrected from the depths of the Earth on the third day I worship thee”. By the divine grace of God 13 people accepted the Saviour. Out of them 6 took baptism. Today they are strong believers. All this God did for His glory.
    Today all of them are strong believers of Jesus Christ and sharing the Gospel to other lost souls and serving God Mightily.

  60. Ron says:

    continued from below
    Story of Dr Srinivas Bhattacharya

    He took me into the forest and he took me inside a cave. With a great burden he knelt in the cave and opening the bible he started to preach the gospel. He told him how God created the heavens and the earth, the rivers and the seas, the plants and the animals and how he created human beings. He told him of the fall of man into sin and how the Lord Jesus Christ came into this world as the Messiah, how much He suffered on the cross at Golgotha and how he finally died But here he found the Jesus came and died for my sins. Even Hinduism says very sincerely in the Samaveda, “Every man is a sinner and unless he is cleansed by the precious blood he cannot go into the kingdom of God”
    After he returned to my home, my parents were really angry. Since we belonged to a priest community, all other hindus would look to us and learn from us. I was heckled and they sent me to some other priest who would wash me from what I learned. But while they were doing all these things, they said I became unsanctified and untouchable to them and they did not even allow him to enter the house.
    He was then caged in a temple, where he was locked with idols who had eyes could not see, have ears but could not hear, have nose could not smell. He was abandoned for weeks in the temple with no one to help him with food. But He was praying that Jesus will come through for him and He did. Next morning few other bhattacharya came to open the temple. Upon seeing them Dr Srinivas ran towards them and told them about the Rig Vedas.
    He said, “Come here. What does your Vedas say about God? What does Hinduism say about God? Who is true God in Hinduism? What are the characteristics of God mentioned in Hinduism? What does Hinduism say about how a man can go into the kingdom of God? Who is the true god that can bring salvation to mankind?
    For example Om Shri brahmaputhraye namaha– what does this mean? The only begotten son I worship thee. Who is the only begotten Son? It is the Lord Jesus Christ. Om shri Martha Namaha– the Holy Spirit of God I worship thee. Who is the Holy Spirit of God? Again it is the Lord Jesus Christ. Om shri Kannisuthayeha namaha-which means the Lord who is born to a virgin. Om vidyshtayaha Namaha– the Lord who had the circumcision I worship thee. Om shri Panchkayika namaha- the Lord who had the five injuries for the sake of mankind. Om shri vriksh shula arudayaka nama vrisha pondha marthil shulathil siluthayil baliyanavare, umbaye nan namaskarikunen. Who is the Lord who died on the cross of Calvary? All this is our Lord Jesus Christ. Our God is not a dead God. It is true that he came as a messiah to this world. He preached the gospel. He cancelled the devils and the demons. He healed the sick people ad brought salvation to so many people and finally he died on the cross of Calvary, he was buried but he did not become sand. Om Shri mrithyu nayaya namaha meaning the Lord who resurrected from the depths of the…

  61. Ron says:

    continued from below -Story of Dr Srinivasa Bhattacharya

    At the age of 6, he wore the sacred thread of hindus and he was admitted to Hindu schools where Mr. Srinivas learned all the shlokas and read all the Vedas. He was so good in Vedas that he could recite them without books. He was then gradually admitted to the Sanskrit school to become a philosopher in Sanskrit and take the bhattacharya family forward and continue in the priesthood.
    After finishing these things, he then travelled to north India to do a PHD from a popular Hindu University. Since he was very good with the Hindu Principles and knows all the Vedas and Sanskrit, he was made the RSS National Youth Leader. One day while he went to Hindu library to start his research on “How a man can reach the Kingdom of God”, he saw an old man with long beard hand him a small piece of paper with “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall have everlasting life” written on it.
    He became restless and began to search day and night on those lines he wanted to know more about the Begotten son and the way to reach the Kingdom of God. I went to all my gurujis and asked them who is this begotten son. All they could tell me was that the begotten son is Krishna and Rama etc etc but nobody told me that Jesus is the only begotten son. Something in him was telling him to reah the “Rig Veda” and the very same words he read on the paper were written in the Rig veda.
    Upon opening it what I read in Sanskrit was “Santhakaram purakasayanam, pathmanabam suresham, vishwakaram mekavarnam lakshikanthan yogikirtham vandal bishnumbam, survalokayika.” which means, “The God so loved the world , that he gave his only begotten Son of God that whosoever believes in Him will have everlasting life”
    I was then invited to receive the gold medal from the president of India admist of all parlamentatians. I started my journey, booked the train ticket and suddenly I heard a voice asking me to get down at Madhya Pradesh station. I was little reluctant as I knew no one in that place, the voice become more strong and I got down. Once the train left the station, I was all alone on the platform and there was no one. As I walked, I saw the same old person with long beard who gave me the piece of paper 800 kms away. The only begotten son whom you are seeking is Christ. He loves you and forgives your sin and he is going to cleanse you from all your sinful natures. He is going to give you a new life”. When he said all that I could not control myself. Here was a very simple man, very old and ordinary, but yet filled with the resurrected power of the Lord, preaching the gospel to me. I humbled myself and yielded to that saint.
    From there he took me to a place called Bidagarh. That is where the Narmada River flows into a very high velocity. We crossed the river and went to the other side where we could find no human beings at all. He took me into the forest and he took me inside a…

  62. Ron says:

    According to Dr Srinivas Bhattacharya (PHD in Sanskrit and PHD in Hindu Shastra) it is mentioned in the Hindu Scriptures that there is one God, and he created but is not the creation, He does not reside in idols but in us if we invite Him. Also it is mentioned that Jesus is the way, the truth and life .

    Dr Srinivas Bhattacharya (an Ardent Follower of Christ)comes from the 145th direct generation of the Sri Vaishnam Bhattacharya Priesthood community. He comes from a family of priests, even today his grandfather Raghu Bhattachary is the chief priest in Srilakshmaneshaswamy Devasthanam at Ponvanugalathoor. All his early life and childhood , he spent in hindu temples. He is now a bhattachary for Lord Jesus Christ, He says in his blog.

    At the age of 6, he wore the sacred thread of hindus and he was admitted to Hindu schools where Mr. Srinivas learned all the shlokas and read all the Vedas. He was so good in Vedas that he could recite them without books. He was then gradually admitted to the Sanskrit school to become a philosopher in Sanskrit and take the bhattacharya family forward and continue in the priesthood.
    After finishing these things, he then travelled to north India to do a PHD from a popular Hindu University. Since he was very good with the Hindu Principles and knows all the Vedas and Sanskrit, he was made the RSS National Youth Leader. One day while he went to Hindu library to start his research on “How a man can reach the Kingdom of God”, he saw an old man with long beard hand him a small piece of paper with “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall have everlasting life” written on it.
    He became restless and began to search day and night on those lines he wanted to know more about the Begotten son and the way to reach the Kingdom of God. I went to all my gurujis and asked them who is this begotten son. All they could tell me was that the begotten son is Krishna and Rama etc etc but nobody told me that Jesus is the only begotten son. Something in him was telling him to reah the “Rig Veda” and the very same words he read on the paper were written in the Rig veda.
    Upon opening it what I read in Sanskrit was “Santhakaram purakasayanam, pathmanabam suresham, vishwakaram mekavarnam lakshikanthan yogikirtham vandal bishnumbam, survalokayika.” which means, “The God so loved the world , that he gave his only begotten Son of God that whosoever believes in Him will have everlasting life”
    I was then invited to receive the gold medal from the president of India admist of all parlamentatians. I started my journey, booked the train ticket and suddenly I heard a voice asking me to get down at Madhya Pradesh station. I was little reluctant as I knew no one in that place, the voice become more strong and I got down. Once the train left the station, I was all alone on the platform and there was no one. As I walked, I saw the same old person with long beard who gave me the piece of paper…

  63. Ron says:

    Here the Hindus are worshipping a dog.
    It is not freedom in the religion.
    It is sheer madness even if it is written in the Vedas or supported by Brahmins.

  64. Ron says:

    Here the Hindu priests are basking in the freedom and officiating a marriage between this Hindu girl and a dog.
    This is not freedom. It is insanity

    I know Hindus will defend this as being mentioned in the Vedas etc.but is gross.

  65. Ron says:

    Which other religious scripture in the world outside Hindu religion and its branches gives such freedom?
    I always thought Hinduism was only one religion, non-violent, vegetarian, tolerant, primitive, polytheistic and idolatry in practice.
    Visiting India dramatically changed this view. It is only when you look from outside-in do you see a different view.
    Islam tends to subjugate cultures and people it conquers whereas Hinduism tends to subjugate its own adherents (Brahmins and Upper Caste Hindus subjugating lower caste Hindus) and not the people they conquer.
    Next Hinduism tends to subjugate other minorities (Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Atheists etc.). I have never seen anywhere in the world stratification of society as done in Hinduism.
    Ambedkar was a great man who fought against this evil and found this freedom in Hinduism disgusting.
    Hinduism allows the following marriages man to girl, girl to dog, man to dog, girl to tree, girl to pot, man to man, girl to girl, man to cow etc.
    There are lot of strange perpetuations and combinations.
    So, this freedom is the slippery road to perversion.

  66. Face_The_Truth says:

    Unknown Scholar asks: Which other religious scripture in the world outside Hindu religion and its branches gives such freedom?

    My Answer:

    Christians and Muslims do not want believers of Sanatana Dharma to keep and practice the forefathers’ faith that goes over 10 millennia.

    Christians and Muslims wanted and want followers of Sanatana Dharma to denigrate the forefathers’ faith and adopt Middle-Eastern Semitic barbarism in all walks of life.

    So, how can you resolve any conflict peacefully when Christians and Muslims want to subvert existing Sanatana Dharma?

    You cannot.

    Indian “Hindu” kings allowed foreign Muslims and foreign Christians to come and settle in the motherland and, in the end, foreign Muslims and Christians started raping the mothers and sisters of all Indian “Hindus”.

    That’s the historic truth even if my sentence hurts your “Hindu” civility!

    Like a lion rips apart the skin and the body of a hyena and pierces the heart of the hyena to make the heart stop from beating anymore, Indian “Hindus” should rip apart Muslims and Christians — if situation demands — to protect motherland from Muslim and Christian invaders.

    Muslims and Christians are hyenas!

  67. Face_The_Truth says:

    Do all post-writers realize that this FaithFreedom.Org truncates any long post?

    What a waste of any post-writer’s time!

    A post-writer has to re-post again and again every time to send the full message across.

    Now, one may ask me why I write here at all while wasting my valuable work-time.

    I have no reason other than the fact that if a non-believer of Christianism and Islamism — like myself — does not respond to the non-stop falsehoods of Christianism and Islamism, Christian and Muslim evils will prevail with the propagation of Christian and Islamic historic falsehoods and proven lies.

  68. There has also been persistent effort from some quarters to speak ill of Hindu religion. Outside India, the Christian missionaries have consistently worked for over three centuries to paint Hindu religion as demonic barbarism. These missionaries collect huge amounts of money and recruit large number of persons from outside India to remove Hinduism from the surface of the earth. This type of propaganda against Hinduism has affected and is affecting the political policies of foreign governments towards India.

    The Hindus need to assert themselves and place the basic teachings of Hinduism before the whole world, for the people to read for themselves and come to their own conclusions directly without interference from those who have been profiting by hurling abuses at Hinduism. Religion is essentially a matter of self-discipline, self-culture, enriching of one’s inner self, realisation of divinity which lies dormant in every living being and the manifestation of this divinity in our daily conduct of life. Religion cannot be used and should not be used as a weapon in our hands and mouths to conquer and subjugate others, to win political power and destroy other religious communities; that would be barbarism and not religion. Religion should bring peace, tranquility and happiness to everyone on this earth.

    “For choosing your course of conduct at any time and place, keep in view the instructions given first in Sruti(Vedas), then in Smritis, Itihaas(History of great personalties) and finally you act according to your conscience.” (Manu Smriti, II, 6)

    This Grand Principle of Freedom given to an individual by the Hindu religion will, in course of time, form the basis for ending inter-religious and intra-religious conflicts. There are many things in Manusmriti which are not proper by today’s standards, which should be rejected, and which are rejected by the Hindus today. Hindus follow modern Constitutional laws, not those improper teachings. They allowed the Indian Constitution to be written by a Hindu apostate, Dr Ambedkar. Manu himself says that if there is anything in his Smriti which is not acceptable to the conscience of any person, that person should reject it and act according to his/her own conscience. He deserves respect for his giving instructions to reject what is against our conscience even in his Manu Smriti.

    Which other religious scripture in the world outside Hindu religion and its branches gives such freedom? Hinduism does not claim Manu Smriti to be the WORD OF GOD or a word to obeyed without question, unlike Islam and Christianity which claim Bible and Quran to be words of God. Hindus accept that their books are all written by man, Vedas are composed by humans, Smritis are written by sages, nothing is to be followed blindly, but by own conscience. This is the beauty of Hinduism.

  69. A Hindu sees and adores God in a hundred, thousand and many more forms. He sees and worships God in everything, particularly where there is manifestation of life, energy, beauty, strength and valour. He worships the Sun, the Moon, the Earth, the Sky, the Rivers, the Stars, the Days, the Nights, the Forests, the Animals, the Plants and what not, as manifestations of God. It must be emphasised that Hindus believe in God, but having manifestations in millions of forms, shapes and even in abstract qualities and emotions. For example, a mother’s love for a child is a manifestation of God Himself; devotion of a chaste wife to her husband in the face of difficulties and dangers is the manifestation of divinity in a woman; art of exquisite dance and music during worship of God is a manifestation of divinity. The Sun, the Moon, the Stars, the Rivers, the Ocean, the Rocks, the Trees, everything is worshipped by a Hindu as a manifestation of God. A Hindu accepts Omnipresence of God and does not deny His presence anywhere. God is also Omniscient; hence He sees the sincerity of Worship of a devotee in whichever form the devotee worships Him. Hinduism does not recognise existence of anything outside God, anything without God; even Satan does not exist outside God. There cannot be God and a Satan outside God.

    Even in respect of religious Scriptures, a Hindu is supposed to listen to and contemplate on what is written in the Shruti (Vedas), Smritis (Coded laws of life), Itihas (History of great men), but finally he should follow the dictates of his own conscience. This is the freedom given to a Hindu by the very Scriptures which he is to follow. This is the uniqueness, the broadminded open-ness of Hinduism. That is why Hindu religion has survived and shall survive. Had Hinduism forced its followers to believe blindly without faith (Which Islam and Christianity do- Jesus as the ONLY way to reach God, else Eternal Hell, or Muhammad as the LAST Prophet of God else Eternal Hell), it may not have survived. Free thinking, and freedom to be an atheist, agnostic, monotheist, polytheist, idol worshiper, non-idol worshiper all is available in Hinduism. Veer Savarkar, a great Hindu ideologue and freedom fighter was an atheist. Gandhi was a polytheist.

    How many of the Scriptures of other religions of the world give this freedom to their followers ?

  70. Again, it must be emphasized that it is Hindu society itself which has been fighting against the aberrations of caste-system, and Hindu society itself has largely eliminated the same. What have non-Hindu critics of caste system contributed? They have mostly contributed abuses on Hinduism and attempted to destroy Hinduism itself, without recognizing its merits, saying that Hinduism has caste system.

    No human community ever existed in the past, nor does it exist now which does not have caste system in one form or the other. Let non-Hindu critics talk anything claiming casteless and classless society of their own religions. We know a little of every religious community making such claims. Sitting in glass houses, let no one throw stones at Hindu community. As per Vatican year 2000 Book’s own admission, there are as many as 33,820 sects in Christianity. Hinduism certainly does not have so many castes or sub-castes. In Islam also there are many sects and castes. In Indian Muslims there are upper castes, lower castes and also the untouchable (Arzal) caste. In Indian as well as Pakistani Muslims, there are often ‘honour killings’ for marrying people of less important castes within Islam itself. In India also lower caste Christians have claimed discrimination. The Church has accepted that within Indian Christians, Dalit Christians have been discriminated by fellow-Christians themselves. http://indianexpress.com/article/india/church-says-dalit-christians-face-untouchability-discrimination-4427658/

  71. In Hindu religion in the begining, caste was by profession, conduct, not by birth. Also, caste implied certain discipline and code of conduct. Intermingling of castes in Hindu society and hence irrelevance of caste-status by birth had been recognised in India even some 5,000 – 8,000 years back from today. The date of the Mahabharata is placed some 3,000 – 6,000 years before Christ i.e. 5,000 – 8,000 years back from today. In Mahabharata, the eldest brother amongst the five Pandavas, Yudhisthira, was asked by Yaksha to give correct answer to his question, if the former wanted his brothers back to life. Yaksha’s question was, “Is caste-status by birth or by conduct ?” Yudhisthira’s answer was on the following lines: “In ancient times, there was purity of blood and hence caste, profession and status, by birth. Subsequently, intermingling of blood has taken place by intercaste marriages to such an extent that caste, profession and status by birth have no meaning now. One’s caste and status are by one’s conduct and not by birth. A Brahmin’s conduct is characterised by truthfulness, charity, forgiveness, nobleness, benevolence, observance of appropriate rites and mercy. If these qualities are not present in one who is born in a Brahmin family, then he is not a Brahmin. If, on the other hand, these qualities are present in one who is born in a Sudra family, then he is a Brahmin”. (Ref : Mahabharata, Vana Parva, Section 179).

    Caste and Social Status by birth have no religious support in Hinduism. It is the conduct, not birth, which should command respect, according to the principles of Hindu religion. This idea is emphasised in “Manusmriti” also. Undoubtedly, over many past centuries, there have crept in aberrations of the caste system in the Hindu Society and interpolations in some Hindu Scriptures, but aberrations are not to be found in the basic principle of caste system. We must respect and accept what is right and unequivocally reject what is wrong.

    Again, it must be emphasized that it is Hindu society itself which has been fighting against the aberrations of caste-system, and Hindu society itself has largely eliminated the same. What have non-Hindu critics of caste system contributed? They have mostly contributed abuses on Hinduism and attempted to destroy Hinduism itself, without recognizing its merits, saying that Hinduism has caste system. It is the Hindus who have given reservation to people of lower castes post-1947, Indian Constitution was written by a Hindu apostate Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar, who was of a lower caste, formerly untouchable caste. India gives a lot of concessions, scholarships, fee waivers, etc for people of lower castes precisely to achieve social equality.

  72. @ srinivasan vr
    Yes, we can do good even without religion. But I tell you that without the belief in God, we would not know what is good.
    I tell you from my own experience. When I was an atheist, I tried to do good. When I became a Christian I realized whatever I did was meaningless. What God wants from us is far greater. It is hard to explain in words. I may try to write an article on this subject in future. There is a big difference between what an atheist sees as good and what a true believer in Christ does. I am not talking about religions in general. They are all false, even the one invented by Christians.

  73. @ Continuum
    That is right, Christianity for me is not a religion. It is salvation. While there were and there are many holy men and women among Christians, I believe the Church was founded and is controlled by a people who do not respond to Jesus but to the prince of this world, the Devil. When I see the popes, particularly this one, I see a servant of the Satan, a wolf in sheep clothing. True Christians lived like Mother Teresa. She became famous, but there are countless Mother Teresas in the faith of Christ.
    Love is not a dogma from the Old Testament. It is the core of the message of Jesus. If you find fault even with this teachings, you are a misguided soul and I see no hope in you.
    Jesus did not come to die on the cross. This is a Christian dogma. Christians made this up because they could not explain why the son of God could be crucified. So they said it was all planned. That is absurd. Ezekiel 18:20 says: “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.” This is a divine law. God does not make up new rules based on situations. His laws are universal and they all make sense. Christianity is not dogmatic, as Christians have made it look.
    Christ paid the ultimate price for our ignorance and sin. But this was not planned by God. God does not need blood to ransom anyone. He demands no sacrifice, let alone that of His own son. Those who crucified Jesus, were not fulfilling God’s will. They were an ingenuous people, committing a grave sin.
    I am not a fraud, but how a bigot like you would know that?

  74. @ AH, Yes I talk with Jesus all the time and he answers me. It is not a conversation like you and I may have. It is of a different kind. Communications between souls is not in words.

  75. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for screen-name Sakat:

    Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina is a Muslim by birth.

    So, you cannot expect anything bettter from him at this point.

  76. Sakat says:

    continued………
    surface. Stillness of mind can open doors to wisdom, peace and tranquility for anyone.
    2. Do not doubt:
    Doubts in the self or an ‘absolute truth’ is the main reason why billions lead unhappy lives on the planet. According to Bhagavad Gita, a doubtful man cannot be at peace in this world or the next. It is important not to confuse this lesson with inquisitiveness which is an absolute necessity for a person to discover his own self. However, the habit of rejecting a philosophy, belief or truth told by a learned man is not productive at all.
    1. Fear not:
    What is the greatest fear of humans? Death, we all know it. Lord Krishna tells his friend and devotee Arjuna not to fear death at all. Death is merely a transitional phase. Death can only come to something which is not permanent; that which is real can never die. Whether a person is an ordinary citizen, a soldier or a leader, he must not fear of losing his life, position or wealth. Relationships, wealth and all other worldly objects are just temporary; they are tools to climb the ladder and realize the Self someday. It isn’t hard to guess how beautiful life would be if there is no fear at all.

    So there are many good things to learn from many other philosophies. The Veda’s says, let the knowledge come from all the side. I am little worried for you, does you resemble the screen picture? be careful Talibanis are at large.Stay strong,good luck.

  77. Sakat says:

    continued…….
    8. Be temperate in everything – avoid extremities in life:
    In Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says that a person is bound to fail in meditation if he does not strike a balance in his day to day activities. Eating too much or too less, for example, is not going to bring you any closer to God. Meditation can help a person overcome all sorrows but he must eat and sleep well, work daily and find time to enjoy recreational activities, too.
    7. Wisdom becomes inaccessible due to selfish attitude – open up:Just as a mirror covered by dust does not reflect images of objects, wisdom, too, gets obscured by selfish attitude. A selfish person cannot perceive the truth as it is when tackling relationship issues in day to day life due to his nature. Whether a person wishes to gain material wealth, succeed in a profession or acquire spiritual wisdom, giving up personal agendas is absolutely necessary to wade through doubts and disappointments.

    6. The Supreme Being is always with you – always:
    Mere acceptance of this sublime truth can transform the life of a person. It is the Supreme Being which acts through every living being. Releasing oneself from worries and all other negative emotions is easy by surrendering oneself to the almighty. Since a human being is only an instrument in the hands of God, regretting the past or fearing the future is pointless. The natural harmony of mind and soul is restored by recognizing the Omnipresent.

    5. Do not abstain from ‘action’ – it doesn’t help:
    Running away from duties is not the way forward. Spiritual wisdom or eternal peace cannot be acquired by forsaking friends or family members. In fact, it is not even possible to refrain from activity while living in the materialistic world. It is therefore advisable to fulfill all duties with utmost dedication. Renouncing various physical actions without subduing the constantly wandering mind is useless.
    4. Equanimity in Actions – be free from the expectation of the outcome:
    Most people end up doing a lot less than they’re capable of in their lives. It happens mostly due to the reason that they are either sedated by pleasure or pain. Every act of theirs stems from a wish to get rewards. If Steve Jobs, for example, did not just enjoy ‘working on unique designs and intuitive user experience’, he would have been far less successful. When a person is unaffected by potential success or failure, he is more likely to pour in all his energies in even small day to day actions.
    3. Overcome desires – experience the stillness of mind:
    All thoughts, feelings and desires take birth in the mind. Looking deep within one’s own self is not possible without first stabilizing the mind. The mind can be really quite only when a person is free from the countless desires. Just as we can look at the bottom of the ocean only when there are no ripples on the surface, the secrets of mind, heart and soul can only be known when there are no desires on the surface. Stillness…

  78. Sakat says:

    Hi Ali,
    I don’t agree with your understanding of Hinduism. Unlike Christianity and Islam Hinduism is not a religion ,it’s a way of life .Of course Hinduism has bad elements in it, but Kali is not demonic representing of such elements.Kali is primordial energy or source to both positive and negative energy .A wise Hindu extract positive energy from this primordial energy (Kali) through Vedic worship. But the ignorant used his worship to garner the negative energy. Ultimately the demonic attitude lies with the seeker and not with the god himself.
    Christianity is a cult, when you follow it in a organized form .But the way you have understood it shows the true implementations of teachings of Jesus. Most of the original followers (White Europeans) of Jesus were/are ready to accept criticism of Jesus without clutching at straws .But those who were converted by the Christian cult in many part of Asia and Africa in last few hundred years are remain in Christian cult ,they are not ready to accept criticism about Jesus and ever ready to take refuge in tu quoque fallacy to defend jesus.The shining example is our own Ron and some time back a lady with screen name Agracean ,their aggression shows their desperation to defend their cult.
    The Bhagvad Geeta contained top most philosophy .There are no contradiction in it unlike Bible ,Quran or Torra.Although a component of the scriptural trinity of Sanatan Dharma, contents of Bhagavad Gita are universal and non-sectarian. The literal meaning of ‘Bhagavad Gita’ is ‘Song of God’. Written in the form of a poem, Bhagavad Gita presents the principles of seemingly complex metaphysical science in the simplest form possible. For millennia, it has inspired millions of saints, leaders, scientists, philosophers and ordinary people worldwide. Listed below are the top 10 lessons from the Bhagavad Gita.
    10. The body is temporary – soul is permanent:
    Lord Krishna in Bhagavad Gita compares the human body to a piece of cloth. A person should identify not with the body but the real Self within. One should not grieve for growing old or having a disease that cannot be cured. Just as worn out clothes are replaced by the new ones, the soul of a person acquires a new body. Identification with the Self instead of the body helps a seeker to be detached from the limitations of the human body.
    9. Anger causes delusion – be calm:
    It is due to anger that a person becomes deluded. As soon as the delusion takes over, his mind loses the power of discrimination. Subsequently, the reasoning capabilities of a person are lost. A person, who cannot reason justly, is destined to be doomed. Thus, anger is the fundamental cause of all sorts of failures in a person’s life. It is one of the three main gates of hell, other two being greed and lust. One must try to sidetrack anger while keeping the mind at peace.
    8. Be temperate in everything – avoid extremities in life:
    In Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says that…

  79. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message iS for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    [We have to understand that Muslims are victims of Islam, similar to Hindus being victims of Hinduism.]

    WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT CHRISTIANS ARE VICTIMS OF JESUS F**KING CHRIST.

    [The onset of brainwashing differs.]

    CHRISTIANS ARE CONGENITAL LIARS AND CHRISTIANS ARE BRAINWASHED FROM THEIR BIRTHS.

    WORLD’S CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT IF A LIE IS ALWAYS REPEATED, THE LIE BECOMES “GOSPEL TRUTH”.

    [Muslims have been brainwashed to hate non-Muslims from birth over 1400 years and Hindus have been brainwashed to hate Christians/Muslims since 1947 for political purposes by Hindu fanatics.]

    CHRISTIANS ARE BLOODY IDOL WORSHIPPERS AND CHRISTIANS’ IDOL IS POPULARLY KNOWN AS THE REPLICA OF JESUS F**KING CHRIST HANGING ON THE GALLOWS FOR THE HISTORIC CHRISTIAN CRIME OF SUBVERSION.

    TODAY, FOLLOWING THE BLOODY CHRISTIAN-IDOL, CHRISTIANS TRY TO SUBVERT NON-CHRISTIAN GOVERNMENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

    [We can only win over these victims of indoctrinated hate who now perpetrate hatred and bigotry by the love of Jesus.]

    IF ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS F**KING CHRIST, CHRISTIANS WILL TRY TO CONVERT THE NON-BELIEVER AND STILL IF THE NON-BELIEVER REFUSES TO BELIEVE IN JESUS F**KING CHRIST, THE NON-BELIEVER WILL NOT RECEIVE “COMMUNION” FROM CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

    [We need to show them that Jesus was the epitome of love, mercy, compassion, forgiveness.]

    JESUS F**KING CHRIST — WHO WAS A SON OF JEWISH WHORE — WAS AN EPITOME OF JUDAISM 2000 YEARS AGO FOR FIGHTING AND INCITING VIOLENCE AGINST THE AUTHORITIES.

    [We need to show them the work done by Christians in the field of caring for the sick, caring for AIDS/Lepers, caring for Prisoners, orphans, widows, poor and the destitute in their own Muslim and Hindu societies.]

    CHRISTIANS DO SOCIAL SERVICES TODAY IN ORDER TO STAY RELEVANT.

    OTHERWISE, CHRISTIANITY WILL BE DESTINIED TO THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY.

    [The government run orphanages in India and many in the Muslim world are outlets for prostitution.]

    CHRISTIAN CHURCHES ARE WELL-KNOWN HOLDOUTS OF CHILD-MOLESTATIONS.

    [Without Jesus there is no compassion in their hearts.]

    WITH JESUS F**KING CHRIST IN THIER HEARTS, CHRISTIANS ARE FULL OF GREED, PERVERSION, AND DEBAUCHERY.

    [We need to show that Jesus is the difference.]

    FOR SURE, WORLD’S NON-BELIEVERS KNOW THAT WORLD WILL NOT BE A WORSE PLACE WITHOUT CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS IN IT.

    [Jesus is the way, the truth and life.]

    YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST WAS A SON OF A JEWISH WHORE AND THAT’S THE WAY OF WHOREDOM OF WORLD’S CHRISTIANS.

    AND, THAT’S THE TRUTH ON WHICH CHRISTIAN LIVES ARE BASED.

  80. srinivasan vr says:

    What is the justification of religion, for that matter any religion. It is based on unreason . We can do good even without them. End religions of all hues

  81. continuum says:

    Ali Sina Says:
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    @Ron, While I do not think all Hindu deities have divine origin and most likely the godess kali is a demonic entity,
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    How do you know this?

    Ali Sina
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    I read Bhagavad Gita and I cannot say it is a demonic book. That book contains pearls of wisdom and truth that need to be cherished.
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    Anybody with a iota of intelligence will recognize the wisdom in Bhagavad Gita.

    Ali Sina
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    The problem with Hinduism is that it is not a monolithic religion. It is a collection of many philosophies and spiritual teachings. Some of them are very good and some are diabolic and evil. The other problem is that is is almost impossible to separate them.
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    This is what I have been saying as well. This is part of Hindu teachings themselves. There are some Hindu texts that are classified as such and explicitly told that they lead to hell. They should be avoided.

    The classification of the Puranas (Hindu scriptures) according to Padma Purana…

    वैष्णवं नारदीयं च तथा भागवतं शुभम् । गारुडं च तथा पाद्मं वाराहं शुभदर्शने । सात्विकानि पुराणानि विज्ञेयानि शुभानि वै ।।

    sAtvika (auspicious or good) Puranas:

    · Vishnu Purana, Naradiya Purana, Padma Purana, Garuda Purana, Varaha Purana, Srimad Bhagavata Maha Purana are classified as auspicious. (These contain majority teachings which are auspicious, while small amounts of mixed teachings and evil teachings. This understanding given here in brackets belong to orthodox schools teachings)

    Rajasa (mixed with good and evil) Puranas:

    ब्रह्माण्डं ब्रह्मवैवर्तं मार्कण्डेयं तथैव च । भविष्यं वामनं ब्राह्मं राजसानि निबोधत ।।

    · Brahmanda Purana, Brahmavaivarta, Markandeya Purana, Bhavishya Purana, Vamana Purana, Brahma Purana are classified as Rajasa. (These contain majority teachings which are inauspicious, while small amounts of mixed teachings and good teachings. This understanding given here in brackets belong to orthodox schools teachings)

    Tamasa (evil) Puranas :

    मात्सयं कौर्मं तथा लैङ्गम् शैवं स्कान्दं तथैव च । आग्नेयं च षडेतानि तामसानि निबोधत ।।

    · Matsya Purana, Kurma Purana, Linga Purana, Shiva Purana, Skanda Purana, Agni Purana are classified as evil puranas. (These contain majority teachings which are evil, while small amounts of mixed teachings and good teachings. This understanding given here in brackets belong to orthodox schools teachings)

    सात्विका मोक्षदाः प्रोक्ताः राजसा सर्वदा अशुभाः ।
    तथैव तामसा देवि निरयप्राप्तिहेतवः ।।

    sAtvika purana gives moksha (salvation), rAjasa (mixed, both good and evil, truth and lies mixed) purana gives all ashubha (inauspicious) results, while tAmasa purana (darkness) puranas gives hell (nirayapraapti).
    प.पु. उत्तर 236.21…

  82. continuum says:

    Ali Sina Says:
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    The reason I am with Christ is that he did not start another religion. Jesus came to save mankind from religions. His religion is love.
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    well….what is christianity then? it ain’t a religion for you?

    Ali Sina Says:
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    If you love God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself, you are a Christian. Nothing else is required.
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    This is a dogma or a teaching from old testament, ie judaism…..Judaism is a religion….all of that ur adultery born jeebus taught is nothing but a religious dogma. this fellow believed he came to die for every body’s sins…this is a religious belief….mamzer jeebus believed he s the messiah…this is religious belief…

    Ali Sina, you are a fraud fellow and con man making useless meaningless statements.

  83. A.H. says:

    @Ron and @Ali

    “Christ alone is blameless and sinless.”

    “The reason I am with Christ is that he did not start another religion.”

    How do you know? Did you talk with him in person?

  84. Ali Sina says:

    @Ron, While I do not think all Hindu deities have divine origin and most likely the godess kali is a demonic entity, I read Bhagavad Gita and I cannot say it is a demonic book. That book contains pearls of wisdom and truth that need to be cherished. The problem with Hinduism is that it is not a monolithic religion. It is a collection of many philosophies and spiritual teachings. Some of them are very good and some are diabolic and evil. The other problem is that is is almost impossible to separate them.

    The reason I am with Christ is that he did not start another religion. Jesus came to save mankind from religions. His religion is love. If you love God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself, you are a Christian. Nothing else is required. This is the salvation. This is the way.

  85. Ron says:

    Ali,
    You are correct. I am not endorsing any church and I agree that Christ is the way to salvation and not the church.

    Christ alone is blameless and sinless.

    When Muslims and their clergy do shady and nefarious and revengeful activities, they are following Mohammed.
    When Hindus and their clergy do shady and nefarious and revengeful activities they are following Krishna and Manu
    When Christians and their clergy do shady and nefarious and revengeful activities they are disobeying Jesus who clearly said to love, forgive and even bless your enemies.

  86. Ali Sina says:

    Walter Sieruk, I disagree that all communists are atheist. This Pope is a communist and at least he claims to believe in God. I actually don’t think this man believes in God. If he does mot works for God. He is working for Satan, as many of his predecessors did. The Jesuits are part of the Illuminati. They are Satan worshipers.

  87. Ali Sina says:

    Ron, While I agree with you that Jesus is the answer to all human needs, let us not forget that the Christians are no less guilty of many crimes. You mentioned the problems with government run orphanages in India. Let us also not forget the Church run orphanages and institutions all over the world. Let us not forget the rampant pedophilia in Churches. The Catholic church has duped the good Christians for centuries, to be precised for 17 centuries. Some of protestant churches are no better. Since I accepted Jesus I have not been to any church and I may never go to one. Despite knowing the goodness in many Christians I am weary of those who run the churches and control the masses. Power corrupts and this is true in all religions.

  88. Ron says:

    We have to understand that Muslims are victims of Islam, similar to Hindus being victims of Hinduism.
    The onset of brainwashing differs. Muslims have been brainwashed to hate non-Muslims from birth over 1400 years and Hindus have been brainwashed to hate Christians/Muslims since 1947 for political purposes by Hindu fanatics.
    We can only win over these victims of indoctrinated hate who now perpetrate hatred and bigotry by the love of Jesus.
    We need to show them that Jesus was the epitome of love, mercy, compassion, forgiveness. We need to show them the work done by Christians in the field of caring for the sick, caring for AIDS/Lepers, caring for Prisoners, orphans, widows, poor and the destitute in their own Muslim and Hindu societies.
    The government run orphanages in India and many in the Muslim world are outlets for prostitution. Without Jesus there is no compassion in their hearts.
    We need to show that Jesus is the difference. Jesus is the way, the truth and life.

  89. It is a good read. We have seen many moderate Muslims participated in the protest against Salman Rushdie and Danish Cartoonist. Recently 200,000 Indonesian Muslims, mostly moderates, participated in the protest against the Christian governor of Jakarta. These moderates have never shown their anger and disgust against the brutal killings, beheading in red jump suit, burning in iron cages by the ISIS jihadists while shouting Allahu Akbar.
    Even after watching the ‘glorious days’ of the Caliphate in Iraq and Syria, many moderates are waiting to see the ‘glad tidings’ when America is conquered by the Jihadists. They could not envisage that within one year America will become like Pakistan or Afghanistan.

  90. Walter Sieruk says:

    One statement I had posted on my facebook site that is worth repeating on this site is that it’s a good thing to understand that “As not all atheists are Communists but all Communists are atheists so likewise not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists but all Islamic terrorists are Muslims.” To put it in another way , “Not all Muslims are militant jihadists. .Nevertheless , all militant jihadists are Muslims.”

  91. Walter Sieruk says:

    About the term “Moderate Muslims”. From reading many articles books by scholars of Islamic terrorism ,such as Robert Spencer and Brigitte Gabriel who is from the Middle East and experienced first hand the brutal violence of Islamic terrorism. It may be concluded that the term “Moderate Muslim” is only used in the West and is unknown in Islamic countries. For Muslims in those nations what Westerns call “moderate ” Many Muslim in both the Middle East and Indonesia view a “lacks” or “non-devout.” Some something they are even call “hypocrites” for not joining in the jihad against the West. Thus the jihadist chant “death to infidels and hypocrites.’ In other words, ” Death to non-Muslims and non-devout -Muslims ”
    Furthermore, what many Westerns call “radical and extremist ” Muslims many Muslims in Indonesia consider to be “devout” Muslim or even just as they should be ,as in seen as “normal.” Therefore Western terms and words don’t always fit into the larger picture describing the world of Islam

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