Two Australian Muslim Leaders Debate the Manchester Massare

Two Australian Muslim Leaders Debate the Manchester Attack

By Jacob Thomas

31 May 2017

   The Swiss weekly website “Antipresse” reported about a debate that took place in Australia, on 25 May 2017, moderated by an Australian host, between two Muslim leaders, about the Massacre in Manchester, England.

   I was struck by the headline: “Faut-il que les Imams nous disent ce qu’est l’Islam?” (“Do We Need Muslim Clerics to Tell Us the Truth About Islam?”) The editor, writing for his French-speaking audience, added parenthetically, regarding the link for the show, “malheureusement en anglais.” (Unfortunately, in English), i.e. only people who understood English, would benefit from the interview/debate, on the Australian “Sunrise Television Network.”

   Two Australian Muslims participated in the debate: Dr. Jamal Rifi, a lay Sunni Muslim of Lebanese background, and a Shi’ite cleric, Sheikh Imam Tawhidi, of Iraqi origin. The following is a summary of the encounter between the two Australian Muslim leaders.

   Addressing Imam Tawhidi, the moderator asked about his assessment of the tragic events in Manchester, England, on Monday, 22 May 2017. I was utterly surprised to hear these words of Imam Tawhidi: “Ultimately, the holy texts of Islam must be held responsible for the attack!” Continuing, “We have to tell the truth about Islam. The perpetrator was born in Manchester, after listening to two or three sermons at the mosque, he got radicalized. Here in Australia, a twenty-two-year-old Muslim female was arrested in Adelaide, for her ties with ISIS. These young people instead of leading normal lives, are becoming extremists.”

   “It’s the Books we have [reference to the sacred texts] that push the Muslim youth to kill the infidel and gain paradise. We have many active radical clerics in Australia.”  When asked about the moderate clerics’ role in correcting the teachings of the radicals, he responded, “It’s very hard to be moderate in a radicalized atmosphere. In fact, Muslim youth are purchasing the ISIS Black Flags, and displaying them on their cars.”

   Asked about the Authorities getting rid of the radical clerics, Imam Tawhidi explained “that while the Authorities had good relations with the Muslim communities, that didn’t imply they had control over them.”

   By this time, Dr. Jamal Rifi could hardly restrain himself. Responding to a question by the Moderator about Imam Tawhidi’s words, he answered in a most indignant manner, “I don’t know where the Imam took his information. We’ve had our Scriptures for the last 1400 years; they don’t incite to violence. It’s the ideology of the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) that attracts vulnerable young people to such teachings. The Prime Minister expressed the whole nation’s condemnation of the act; and that includes Australian Muslims. The Grand Mufti (of Australia) did as well.”

   At this point, the moderator turned to the Imam, “You’ve been shaking your head!”

   Imam Tawhidi responded, “There is hardly a month that goes by, without an Islamist terrorist attack takes place.  Islam is a religion of war. Islam spread by the sword, I’m not inventing it. How did Islam spread from Saudi Arabia to Indonesia and Bosnia? I don’t know how you can say that Islamic Scriptures have nothing to do with all that! These are facts and they are true. The young man who perpetrated the crime in Manchester believed that he would be with Prophet Muhammad that very night.”

   Dr. Jamal attempting to interrupt, “You can’t go on deceiving the Australian people with your lies! Suicide bombers are going to hell; nothing in our religion supports the killing of innocent people.”

   Imam Tawhidi responds, “I never lied in my life.

   Dr. Jamal, “This suicide bomber is going to hell, his act was horrific. It had nothing to do with our religion which doesn’t support the killing of innocent people.”

   At the end of the debate, the moderator spoke briefly with a reporter at the TV station. She mentioned that some Australian Muslims have harassed the Imam for his outspoken opinions on Islam.

   To view the TV program, please follow this link:

   Rather than add my commentary on the debate, the following is my translation of the comments of the Editor of “Antipresse.”

   “Evidently, Dr. Jamal Rifi and Imam Tawhidi don’t share the same opinion on the subject; indeed, they informed us about their differences. It’s very useful to hear a turbaned Imam* telling us that violence had always been the way Islamic expansion occurred!”

   To read the French text, please follow this link:

   *Turbaned Imam, is reference to the special head turban that a Shi’ite cleric wears, it’s altogether different from the turban worn by a Sunni cleric.

Jacob Thomas

Consultant on Middle Eastern affair/ Columnist

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8 Responses

  1. Lizzie says:

    I believe there is something in Islam called taquiya (spelling!!) that says muslims can tell any lie to further the cause of Islam. They do not have God’s Laws in the Koran which say ‘Thou shalt not bear false witness’. Because of this taqiya you can’t believe anything muslims say and have to assume they are all liars.
    Saying Islam is a religion of peace is a total LIE. There is mayhem all over the world by Islamists and the brutal and grossly evil atrocities commited by Daesh are beyond belifef. Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.

  2. Walter Sieruk says:

    That hideous and evil Islamic terrorist bombing in the city in Manchester was totally evil. This not as some claim a result of a “hijacked Islam” but actual violent Quran based jihad Islam. This Muslim suicide /homicide bombing is on the Quran as ,for example , in Sura 9:111 it teaches “The believers fight in Allah’s cause they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed…” Furthermore, in Sura 47:4. it also instructs “Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads until you make a great slaughter among them…” Let’s face it , setting off a bomb murdering young are who are not Muslims is a very effective way to “make greater slaughter among them.” In conclusion, the religion of Islam is actually a death cult.

  3. Face_The_Truth says:

    While 2 Islamic muftis debate in Australia, the Islamic State of Pakistan has sentenced a female rape-victim to death by strictly following Islamic, Christian, and Judaic “Supper Holy” judicial custom of “Stoning to death”.

    Ancient Jews were indeed geniuses in world history for inventing “Stoning to death” — a religious penal code!



    “A tribal court in Pakistan ordered a female rape-victim to be put to death by stoning or sold off as an Islamic sex-slave!

    The 19 year-old girl said, she was raped by her Islamic cousin (i.e., blood-relation!!!) at gunpoint.

    The Pakistanian Islamic tribal court ordered her to be stoned to death.”


  4. Marina says:

    It is so refreshing to see an Imam speaking out against the Jihadi verses in the Koran. We are tired of hearing Muslim clerics/leaders lying all the time about how Islam is a peaceful religion and their scriptures doesn’t sanction violence. The leftist political leaders support them. This Imam Tawhidi should give lectures in every mosque on earth. The world needs more Imams like him.

  5. Walter Sieruk says:

    That murderous jihad terror attack at the concert at Manchester totally cruel and despicable. This heinous Islamic of mass murder is so extremely evil , so evil , in fact, this is mass murdering of young people ,most of them girls also has a strong vicious element of misogyny to it. Misogyny, as most informed people do understand, is very much part of the essence of Islam. Along with the brutal deadly violence of this religion. This Muslim /terrorist bombing is not as some claim as result of a warped version of Islam but hard core non-watered down Quran based Islam. For example, the Quran instructs in Sura 9:123 “O you who believe ! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you…” It’s thus very easy for a jihad minded Muslim show harshness to young girls who are not Muslims by exploding and bomb .This sure can be harsh This wicked action was the outcome of the deadly cruel religion which is Islam.

  6. Walter Sieruk says:

    The heinous wicked Islamic terrorist bombing in the city of Manchester, England is based on the “holy book” of Islam the Quran . As such brutal, vicious deadly violence is sanction and taught in the Quran. As found in, for example, Sura 5:33. 9:5, 111,123. 47:4. There are some naive Westerners who might be shocked to find this out and the wonder and then ask “Just who can those jihad –minded Muslim being so very religious ,also be so extremely heartless ,unfeeling, brutal and murderous to kill as to murder all those girls coming out of that concert in Manchester ?” The answer that question is found in the Bible. For the Bible reveals there are some men who are so very cold, callous and dangerous because they have had “their conscience seared with a hot iron” First Timothy 4:2. [K.J.V.] The “hot iron” in this case is Islam.

  7. Walter Sieruk says:

    That brutal and heinous jihadist /Muslim in the city on Manchester, England who murderous so many young girls coming out of the concert as completely demonic and murderous in his deluded and wicked Islamic quest of the jihad This his vicious suicide /homicide jihad bombing attack against those young people was actually behaving in accord to the instruction of the “holy book “ of Islam, the Quran. Which instructs in for example Sura 9:111. “The believer’s fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain they kill and are killed.” After that murderous jihadist died he had discovered, to his shock and horror, the promise of a paradise with many houris , as the Quran teaches 44:54. 55:56. 78:31., for the dead jihadist was a lie outright lie and a total falsehood . For that Muslim terrorist found this out the hard way because after he dies he found himself trapped and suffering in the fires of hell .Such as the Bible describes in for example, Luke 13:28. 16:19-31.The Bible also teaches that a murderer “shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5:21.[K.J.V.] Furthermore, in the Bible book of Revelation in 21:8 it gives a list of the people who will end up terribly suffering without end . As in forever in that awful place , and one of those persons in that Lake of Fire are people on that list who are murderers. In short, that murderous jihadist is the real loser and he now understand that he was wrong. Very wrong and that he had committed the evil of mass murder because he place his faith in a false religion.

  8. Walter Sieruk says:

    Of the twenty two young people who were murdered in the city of Manchester, by that vicious and murderous action of Islamic terrorism ,seven who the victims who died were very young girls . What a cruel, despicable and malicious god the god of Islam is to actually instruct jihadist/Muslim to commit such homicidal actions and even enjoy a heartless and brutal massacre of youth and in Manchester.
    The god of Islam likes it when non-Muslims [Kafirs] die . As the above posting she the god of Islam is not the God of the Bible. Getting back to the god of Islam ,the television Imam Suliman Satari said “Annihilate the Infidels… Allah count them and kill them, to the last one and don’t leave even one.” Furthermore Imam Abu Hamza Al-Masri said “What makes Allah happy? Allah is happy when Kafiers get killed. [1]
    . The above words of these Imams reflect the example of Islam’s prophet and the teachings of the Quran. “Muhammad now fell upon them [the Jews] slew all the men, nine hundred of them…”[2]
    Moreover, the Quran reads “When ye encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads, until ye have made great slaughter among them. Verily if Allah pleased, He could take vengeance on them without your assistance, but He commandeth you to fight His Battles.” 47:4
    In short, these Imams and their murderous prophet with their bloody Quran show the world what Islam really is. After all, Jesus did teach “by their fruits you will know them.” Matthew 7:20. [NKJV]

    [1] The disc documentary OBSESSION: RADICAL ISLAM’s AGAINST THE WEST

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