Paradise (Jannat) – A Mirage for Muslims

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  1. SHALOM!

    My name is Olatunde Aroloye. I am a Medical Laboratory Supervisor at the Obafemi Awolowo University Health Centre, in Ile-Ife, Osun State.

    I am a Born Again, Full-Gospel, Pentecostal Christian of 35 years standing. In the fifth year of my Conversion, I achieved Spiritual Breakthroughs which required me to leave Organized Christianity for ever.

    However, I had no wherewithal to begin to fully comprehend what I had gotten into, until seven years thence, when I encountered Carlos Castaneda’s NAGUALISM. I thought then, that I had understood everything I needed to know, but then, two years on, I discovered L. Ron Hubbard’s SCIENTOLOGY.

    I thought that I could be sure that there was nothing left to learn- though I was still acquiring the entirety of their Teachings- them not being readily available in Nigeria, to this day- but about fifteen years after my liberty from Organized Christianity, I found THE CELESTINE PROPHECY.

    Each of these Teachings fills in the blanks of Bible Religion.

    They all account for why It was delivered as It did, why Its various successes “worked,” and WHY BIBLE RELIGION HAS ULTIMATELY FAILED.

    All the World’s Religions FAIL to reach God, because, if they were not originally CREATED by THE SATAN COLLECTIVE ENTITY, then they were CORRUPTED by him.

    I believe that THE ONLY CORRECT SOLUTION is to ELIMINATE EVERYTHING that we don’t NEED, and focus on what is USEFUL in enabling us to VERIFY THE CLAIMS OF RELIGIONS IN GENERAL, and BIBLE RELIGION in particular.

    Anything else is an irrational and irresponsible waste of our limited time on Earth.

    YOU CANNOT SOLVE ISLAM, OPERATING IN IGNORANCE OF SPIRITUAL REALITY.

    So long as you think that Muhammad was a Delusional Freak Madman, who just made Islam up, you will never get near to solving Islam.

    CONVENTIONAL CHRISTIANITY TEACHES THAT:

    “ONLY JESUS IS THE WAY TO HEAVEN: ALL OTHERS GO TO HELL.”

    In Reality, Yahshua never Said anything vaguely resembling that idea!

    . JOHN 14:1-12.

    “LET not your heart be troubled:
    ye believe in God,
    believe also in me.
    2. “In my Father’s House
    are many Mansions:
    if it were not so,
    I would have told you.
    I go to prepare a place for you.
    3. “And if I go
    and prepare a Place for you,
    I will come again,
    and receive you unto myself;
    that where I am,
    there ye may be also.
    4. “And whither I go ye know,
    and The Way ye know.”
    5. Thomas saith unto him,
    “Lord, we know not whither thou goest;
    and how can we know The Way?”
    6. Jesus saith unto him,
    “I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life:
    no man cometh unto The Father,
    but by me.
    7. “If ye had known me,
    ye should have known my Father also:
    and from henceforth ye know Him,
    and have seen Him.”
    8. Philip saith unto him,
    “Lord, shew us the Father,
    and it sufficeth us.”
    9. Jesus saith unto him,
    “Have I been so long time with you,
    and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
    He that hath seen me
    hath seen the Father;
    and how sayest thou then,
    ‘Shew us The Father?’
    10. “Believest thou not
    that I am in The Father,
    and The Father in me?
    The words that I speak unto you
    I speak not of myself:
    but The Father that dwelleth in me,
    He doeth the Works.
    11. “Believe me
    that I am in The Father,
    and The Father in me:
    or else believe me
    for the very Works’ sake.
    12. “Verily, verily, I say unto you,

    ‘HE THAT BELIVETH ON ME,
    THE WORKS THAT I DO
    SHALL HE DO ALSO;’

    and greater Works
    than these
    shall he do;
    because I go
    unto my Father.”

    ANY PERSON WHO ACHIEVES HOLINESS AND MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF TOTAL RECALL OF THEIR ENTIRE LIFE, BY THE MOMENT OF THEIR DEATH, CAN FIND A PLACE IN THE AFTERLIFE.

    Most Souls exposed to the Spiritual Realm, and what awaits every creature that dies, are destroyed within moments.

    [See my Blog Page: http://whathappenswhenwedie.blogspot.com .]

    There are four Spiritual Energy Categories:

    4. HOLINESS.
    3. RIGHTEOUSNESS.
    2. FILTHINESS.
    1. UNJUSTNESS.
    0. DEATH.

    DEATH is the Level of Spiritual Energy too weak to affect the Physical Realm.

    UNJUSTNESS is the level of Spiritual Energy too weak to Understand, Receive, Believe, nor Obey God’s Commandments.

    FILTHINESS is the level of Spiritual Energy strong enough to begin to Understand, Receive, and Believe The Commandments and Promises of God immediately- but too weak to overcome Painful and Sustained Resistance to achieving their fulfillment.

    RIGHTEOUSNESS is the level of Spiritual Energy that is more than strong enough to Understand, Receive, Believe, and Implement The Commandments and Promises of God- but stops short of complete and prolific fulfillment.

    HOLINESS is the level of Spiritual Energy that enables the Understanding, Reception, and Obedience of The Commandments and Promises of God, with their effortless implementation and fulfillment on a prolific scale.

    According to YAHSHUA, THE Condemnation on HUMAN CIVILIZATION is due to the Failure to believe on his Name.

    . JOHN 3:14-21.

    14. “And as Moses lifted up
    the Serpent in the Wilderness,
    even so must The Son of Man
    be lifted up:
    15. “That whosoever believeth in him
    should not perish,
    but have Eternal Life.
    16. “For God so loved the World,
    that He gave His only Begotten Son,
    that whosoever believeth in him
    should not Perish,
    but have Everlasting Life.
    17. “For God sent not His Son
    into the World to Condemn the World;
    but that the World through him
    might be Saved.
    18. “He that believeth in him
    is not Condemned:
    but he that believeth not
    is Condemned Already,
    because he hath not believed in
    The Name of The Only
    Begotten Son of God.
    19. “And this is The Condemnation,

    ‘THAT LIGHT IS COME
    INTO THE WORLD,
    AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS
    RATHER THAN LIGHT,
    BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS
    WERE EVIL.’

    20. “For every one that doeth Evil
    hateth The Light,
    neither cometh to The Light,
    lest his deeds should be reproved.
    21. “But he that doeth Truth
    cometh to The Light,
    that his deeds may be manifest,
    that they are wrought in God.”

    THAT IS TO SAY, THE UNDERSTANDING, RECEPTION, AND BELIEF IN THE CONCEPT OF ONE SINGLE DATUM, THE WHICH, IF KNOWN, GRANTS ACCESS TO EVERYTHING THAT GOD HAS TO OFFER.

    That is the meaning of “THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.”

    Every Body of Knowledge can be reduced to ONE BOOK.
    Every Book can be reduced to ONE CHAPTER.
    Every Chapter can be reduced to ONE PARAGRAPH.
    Every Paragraph can be reduced to ONE SENTENCE.
    Every Sentence can be reduced to ONE WORD.

    So that, if you knew the BOOK, you would KNOW the Body of Knowledge.

    If you knew the CHAPTER, you would KNOW the Book.

    If you knew the PARAGRAPH, you would KNOW the Chapter.

    If you knew the SENTENCE, you would KNOW the Paragraph.

    If you knew the WORD, you would KNOW the Sentence.

    ALL THOUGHT IS BASED ON FACSIMILES- THREE DIMENSIONAL IMAGES MADE OF SPIRIT ENERGY AND CREATED BY THE MIND.

    Facsimiles have SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE:

    1. BELIEFS; 2. THOUGHTS; 3. WORDS; 4. PHYSICAL ACTIONS; 5. POSTULATES; 6. TOTAL UNDERSTANDING.

    All Things are made of FACSIMILES- GOD is a Facsimile.

    . JOHN 1:1-5,9.

    IN The Beginning was The Word,
    and The Word was with God,
    and The Word was God.
    2. The same was
    in The Beginning with God.
    3. All things were made by Him,
    and without Him
    was not anything made
    that was made.
    4. In Him was Life,
    and The Life was The Light of Men.
    5. And The Light shineth in Darkness,
    and The Darkness comprehended It not.
    9. That was The True Light,
    which lighteth every man
    that cometh into the World.

    GOD THE FATHER DWELLS IN A REALM OUTSIDE OF ALL SPACE AND ALL TIME.

    Therefore He created a FACSIMILE IMAGE of Himself, to operate in Space and Time.

    The Facsimile Image of Himself, THE LOGOS: THE RECORDED WORD- is identical to GOD: THE FATHER in all regards except:

    1. He is not the Boss of Himself.

    2. He is operative in Space/Time, while GOD: THE FATHER is not.

    3. LIFE comes from THE FATHER.

    . JOHN 15:26-27.

    26. “But when The Comforter is come,
    Whom I will send unto you
    from The Father,
    (even) The Spirit of Truth,
    which proceedeth from The Father,
    He shall testify of me:
    27. “And ye also shall bear witness,
    because ye have been with me
    From The Beginning.”

    THIS IS THE BASIS OF THE “TRINITY OF THE GODHEAD” DOCTRINE.

    This is not necessarily how TRINITARIAN CHRISTIANS believe in “THE TRINITY.”

    . 1st JOHN 5:7.

    7. For there are Three
    That bear Record in Heaven,
    The Father, The Word,
    and The Holy Ghost:
    and these Three are One.

    THERE ARE THREE CATEGORIES OF KNOWLEDGE.

    (1) THE KNOWN: that which the weakest minds can know- who are ignorant of Physical Reality.

    (2) THE UNKNOWN: that which the minds that have passed the Entrance Point of Spiritual Knowledge and Power.

    THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

    1. TOTAL RECALL.
    2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
    3. TELEKINESIS.
    4. TELEPORTATION.
    5. TRANSLATION.
    6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

    THE UNKNOWN steps short of EVERLASTING LIFE.

    Those who know THE UNKNOWN can exhibit great Power and Knowledge, but STILL DIE, eventually even if they prolong their lives over centuries.

    (3) THE UNKNOWABLE: this Knowledge can only be known to IMMORTALS, because even brief contact with it is fatal to Mortal beings. This is Spiritual Knowledge not directly perceptible to those who lack Extrasensory Perception.

    THOUGHT CONSISTS OF SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGES CREATED BY THE MIND TO STORE PERCEPTIONS, CALLED “FACSIMILES.”

    EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION can read another being’s FACSIMILES directly from their mind; this is called TELEPATHY.

    Any Object or Entity leaves an imprint of its FACSIMILES upon every Object or Entity it comes in contact with.

    The ability to “READ” these Facsimiles Directly, is a function of Extrasensory Perception, and is called DIVINATION.

    GOD: THE FATHER COMMANDED THE LOGOS AND THE HOLY GHOST TO CREATE MAN ON EARTH, THE REALM INFERIOR TO THE SEVEN UNIVERSES CALLED HEAVEN, WHERE ALL THINGS OPERATE ACCORDING TO SEVEN DISTINCT LEVELS OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, AND AS SUCH OBEY DIVINE LAW, IN THEIR IMAGE, IN THE REALM CREATED TO OPERATE ON SPIRITUAL POWER TOO LOW TO ATTAIN DIVINE WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.

    . GENESIS 1:26-31.

    26. And God said,
    “Let us make Man in Our Image,
    after Our Likeness:
    and let them have Dominion
    over the Fish of the Sea,
    and over the Fowl of the Air,
    and over the Cattle,
    and over all the Earth,
    and over every creeping thing
    that creepeth upon the Earth.”
    27. So God created Man
    in His Own Image,
    in The Image of God created He him;
    male and female created He them.
    28. And God Blessed them,
    and God said unto them,
    “Be fruitful, and multiply,
    and replenish the Earth,
    and subdue It:
    and have Dominion
    over the Fish of the Sea,
    and over the Fowl of the Air,
    and over every Living Thing
    that moveth upon the Earth.”
    29. And God Said,
    “Behold, I have given you
    every herb bearing seed,
    which is upon
    the Face of all the Earth,
    and every tree,
    in the which is the fruit
    of a tree yielding seed;
    to you it shall be for meat.
    30. And to every beast of the Earth,
    and to every fowl of the air,
    and to every thing
    that creepeth upon the Earth,
    wherein there is life,
    I have given every green herb for meat:
    and it was so.
    31. And God saw every thing
    that He had made,
    and, behold, it was Very Good.
    And the evening and the morning
    were the sixth day.

    THE LOGOS CREATED MODIFIED COPIES OF HIMSELF, THAT MADE UP EVERYTHING ELSE THAT EXISTS- UNIVERSES AND ALL OF THEIR CONTENTS.

    MAN was created without visual modification.

    Man’s Modification was ENERGY-WISE: we were created to function at Earth Universe Spiritual Levels BY DEFAULT.

    . JOB 39:13-18.

    13. “Gavest thou the goodly wings
    unto the peacocks?
    or wings and feathers
    unto the ostrich?
    14. “Which leaveth her eggs
    in the earth,
    and warmeth them in dust,
    15. “And forgetteth
    that the foot may crush them,
    or that the wild beast
    may break them.
    16. “She is hardened
    against her young ones,
    as though they were not her’s:
    her labour is in vain without fear;
    17. “Because God
    hath deprived her of Wisdom,
    neither hath He
    imparted to her Understanding.
    18.” What time
    she lifteth up herself on high,
    she scorneth the horse
    and his rider.”

    MANKIND IS NOT BLESSED WITH DIVINE-LEVEL AWARENESS: we must ACQUIRE It.

    BLIND OBEDIENCE of God’s Commandments is not enough, WE MUST acquire the ability to FOLLOW HIS REASONING, and UNDERSTAND It.

    FACSIMILES are exact copies of Perceptions of the Mind- that does not mean that the Mind Understands its own Facsimiles, just because they are exact copies.

    . JOSHUA 1:8.

    8. This Book of the Law
    shall not depart out of thy mouth;
    but thou shalt
    meditate therein day and night,
    that thou mayest observe to do
    according to all
    that is written therein:
    for then thou shalt
    make thy way Prosperous,
    and then thou shalt
    have Good Success.”

    THE DATA IN FACSIMILES VIBRATES ACCORDING TO WHATEVER THE ORIGINAL PERCEPTIONS WERE. The mind can only understand the parts of its facsimiles whose vibrations it can follow.

    There are vibrations some minds refuse to follow.

    THE UNKNOWABLE consists of perceptions that overload the Soul’s Perception abiluty, and destroy it.

    BIBLICAL MEDITATION enables the synchronization of the Conscious Mind to its Facsimiles being Meditated-Upon.

    . AMOS 3:3.

    3. “Can two walk together,
    except they be agreed?”

    MEDITATION UPON GOD’S WORDS DRAW HIS ATTENTION AND HIS PRESENCE, AND HE BESTOWS POWER WITH HIS PRESENCE.

    This Power, when sufficient, enables TALENTS.

    It is important to acquire THE TEN TALENTS in the correct order.

    THE PENTECOSTAL REVIVAL COULD NOT BE HALTED BY DENYING THE FULL GOSPEL.

    It was therefore INFILTRATED, and False Teachers taught the SCRAMBLING of the Order of The Ten Talents. This caused the complete loss of all Power and Privileges- for safety and security reasons.

    . MATTHEW 9:16-17.
    . LUKE 14:7-11.

    Pentecostalism is largely obsessed at this time, with trying to MATERIALIZE MEST (Matter, Energy, Space, and Time,) before they have EARNED the RIGHT to to so- HEALING and PROSPERITY.

    THOSE WHO DILIGENTLY ATTAINED HOLINESS IN OTHER CULTURES GAINED ACCESS TO SHEOL AND HEAVEN, AND WERE ABLE TO EKE OUT A HOMESTEAD FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FOLLOWERS.

    THE CREATOR PERMITTED THEM TO DO SO.

    The UNIQUE thing about THE GOSPEL is that It is THE ONLY Religion with ACCESS to GOD: THE FATHER. No other Religion has that.

    . DEUTERONOMY 8:1-6.
    . MATTHEW 22:2-14.

    GOD PERIODICALLY INVITES HIS SUBJECTS TO FEAST IN HIS CITADEL IN HEAVEN.

    His FOOD is KNOWLEDGE.

    His DESIGNATED WORSHIPPERS get full-of-themselves, and satisfied with what they akresady have, and don’t go- even going so far as to ASSAULT AND KILL those sent to INVITE them.

    From The Beginning, Mankind had the ESP Ability to read FACSIMILES directly.

    At the BABEL INTERVENTION, that ability was summarily removed.

    LANGUAGE CONSISTS OF SYMBOLIZED NICKNAMES FOR FACSIMILE COLLECTIONS.

    The entirety of a Body of Knowledge can be summed up in ONE WORD.

    But any such Word can be summed up in a GRUNT.

    If one can READ FACSIMILES, one will known what a GRUNT means.

    Therefore, the Knowledge embedded in a GRUNT can also be communicated with a LOOK.

    If one can SEE GOD’S FACE, one can know EVERYTHING He has to offer.

    Most of it will be UNKNOWABLE KNOWLEDGE, and hence FATAL to MORTALS.

    Therefore, there are a MULTITUDE of beings in HEAVEN, and the PARADISE Realm, who can do whatever they want there, so long as:

    (1) THEY DO NOT BREAK FUNDAMENTAL LAWS OF THE REALM.

    (2) THEY DO NOT CONFRONT GOD’S FACE.

    SATAN is depicted as confronting God’s Face in Heaven, and being ejected all the way down to the Earth, unable to return, until he had proven his Mastery of Humanity, and thus the Right to sit in Man’s Seat at God’s Banquet Table.

    . LUKE 4:1-13.
    , LUKE 10:1-24.

    When anyone successfully resists all of The Devil’s Temptations, he loses his place in Heaven, and is cast down to the Earth, unable to return unless they commit some Sin.

    Against them, he has NO POWER.

    Such can destroy all his Works on the Earth, wherever they encounter them.

    The people he holds in his False Paradises would be those who died with TOTAL RECALL of their entire life. These are able too deploy their AFTERLIFE BODIES, and maintain their Heavenly Life Force feed.

    When they use any of the utilities in the Worlds created for them, Satan’s Victims FEED HIM WITH SPIRIT ENERGY HE NEEDS TO SURVIVE. That is the Purpose of the FALSE RELIGIONS.

    Those who die without TOTAL RECALL are TORN APART, and their Spirit Energies consumed by the Devils. This is the fate of most of Mankind:

    They are NOT being TORTURED IN HELL by a SADISTIC CREATOR: they are SUMMARILY ENDED on the spot!

  2. why? says:

    Poor Ron,

    No matter what nonsense you write about Hinduism or Hindus, you cannot argue against the fact that your Jesus was born through adultery of Mary. Now why would any so called “god” would be born through adultery? It is clearly known through gospels that adulterous mary carried mamzer jeebus for 9 months. Only human sperm will lead to such pregnancies. Poor old joseph wanted to divorce adulterous mary for her adultery showing he did not make adulterous mary pregnant. did your demonic bible “god” ejaculate his sperm into mary to call the son Jesus as his son?

    Second, why would any god kill himself in order to convince himself to forgive his own creation? Would a judge kill and torture himself in order to convince himself not to punish criminals? If a judge does this, he would be called a mentally retarded and promptly sent to an asylum. Now why would anyone with minuscule amount of sanity believe that “God” would kill himself and torture himself to forgive his own creation when “God” is the sole judge and executor? No matter how much you dance around this nonsense christian belief, you cannot prove it to be a logical belief. Christianity is pure nonsense inspired by purely demonic entity.

    Jesus’ adulterous birth itself shows that Jesus was possessed by a demon or is a demon. Demons are born through adultery as their nature is that of garbage and refuse. Even your demonic bible confirms with the title “morning star” that Jesus is none other than satan.

  3. A.H. says:

    “If one wants to be a Christian and practice Christianity, that’s his/her choice.”

    Thank you for your generosity!

    “The word “Testament” means “evidence”

    No, I think it means here Alliance or Convenant.

    Alliance with whom?

    OT: the BELIEF that there is a Covenant between God and Jews.

    NT: the BELIEF that there is a Convenant between God and Jews/non-Jews.

    Christianity is not a philosophical system but the belief in God and that He has revealed Himself to the world.

  4. Face_The_Truth says:

    If one wants to be a Christian and practice Christianity, that’s his/her choice.

    All readers at FaithFreedom.Org, however, should be aware by now that Christianity is based on falsehoods through and through.

    ‘There is compelling evidence indicating that these alleged sayings of “Jesus” were taken from another early document known as Q (German, for Quelle, ‘source’).

    Like the so-called Gospel of Thomas found at Nag Hammadi in Egypt, Q appears to have been a list of wisdom sayings that at some point became attributed to “Jesus”.

    We know that at least one of these sayings (“We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced…” Matt. 17:11; Luke 7:32) derives from Æsop’s Fables, not from a sage of Galilee!’

    LINK

    http://www.drabruzzi.com/ZINDLER-JESUS.PDF

    So, it doesn’t matter whether it is Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina or Abū ʿAlī al’Ḥussayn ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn al’Hassan ibn Ali ibn Sīnā (i.e., Avicenna) is testifying!

    The word “Testament” means “evidence”; but, Christian faith is created without a scintilla of evidentiary truths; because, we know, a human being doesn’t live by bread alone as s/he also needs something to believe in.

    That’s part of human psychology, which humans on earth have inherited throughout the biological evolutionary process.

    Christians will continue to believe that Christianity is God’s “true religion” as Muslims will continually believe that “there’s NO God, but Allãh and Muhammad was Allãh’s final messenger and Allãh lives inside Saudi Arabia”.

    It is useless to argue with Christians and Muslims; because, the faiths of Christians and Muslims are based on falsehoods and deceptions, which categorically make the faiths of Christians and Muslims similar to a dog’s tail that can never be straightened.

  5. A.H. says:

    “Based on what evidence?”

    There is no evidence, there is only the Belief that Jesus is God. No miracle in the past, present and future could/can prove that Jesus is God. The Arians of the 4th century and nowadays the JWs did/do not believe this, though they used/use the same Scriptures as the (historical) Church and of course they pressumed/presume to be led by the (same) Holy Spirit.

    The (historical) Church BELIEVES it is a Revealed Truth from heaven. It is based on the BELIEF of Peter that Jesus is God and He tells him as per Mat 16, 17 ““Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

    http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/

  6. Steve says:

    Ron
    Lewis says
    “Now it seems to me obvious that He was neither a lunatic nor a fiend: and consequently, however strange or terrifying or unlikely it may seem, I have to accept the view that He was and is God” Really it is “obvious” based on what evidence? The gospels? So let’s compare the evidence for Jesus’s “miracles” and say the evidence for say the cult leader Sai Baba “miracles”.

    1)Evidence for Sai Baba´s “miracles”:
    Thousands of living eyewitnesses.
    2)Evidence for Jesus´ “miracles”:
    Ancient documents written by unknown authors (with the exception of the apostle Paul maybe) which claim that there were some eyewitnesses.

    In what bizarre world are second hand accounts of eyewitnesses which died thousands of years ago better than first hand accounts from actual living eyewitnesses ?

    The “evidence” for Sai baba miracles is a lot better than the evidence for Jesus and his miracles so won’t don’t you and Lewis accept his claims?

  7. Steve says:

    Ron
    “Picking up CS Lewis’s words without context to make it appear as if CS Lewis denied that Jesus is God is deplorable act. I know you will counter reply without any admission of guilt by twisting it further. This is due to hatred for Christ and Christianity. Anyway may the Lord show you the truth and the truth will set you free.” I didn’t claim Lewis denied Jesus is God I said Lewis gives you an ultimatum 1) Either accept Jesus is God or 2) If you do not accept his claim then you either believe he is a madman a conman or a demon but the one thing he CANNOT be is a good – human – moral teacher.
    You quoting Wikipedia said

    “Lewis implies that these amount to a claim to be God and argues that they logically exclude the possibility that Jesus was merely “a great moral teacher”, because he believes no ordinary human making such claims could possibly be rationally or morally reliable. Elsewhere, he refers to this argument as “the aut Deus aut malus homo” (“either God or a bad man”),[16] a reference to an earlier version of the argument used by Henry Parry Liddon in his 1866 Bampton Lectures, in which Liddon argued for the divinity of Jesus based on a number of grounds, including the claims he believed Jesus made.” The Christianity who wrote this is the one trying to be deceptive and twist what Lewis says. Lewis does not say Jesus can “merely” be a “great moral teacher” he says HE CANNOT BE (if he is a ordinary human) a moral teacher at all a normal human preaching those things must be a mad man and a sick evil man no different from any of the other ranters who claim to be gods or to speak for Gods. As Lewis says clearly
    “A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronising nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. …” So stop lying about this quote and don’t quote other Christians who also lie about it. Telling people to leave their families, their jobs and basically anything in their life and to hate their parents and siblings and those who don’t share their belief are destined for hell but come to Jesus for the end of the world is coming and Jesus the only one who can save you is the teachings of a sick evil man and not a great moral teacher.P
    P

  8. Ron says:

    Steve,
    As an atheist you are trying to spin CS Lewis words, which is disingenuous effort by you.
    Even in the past you have resorted to the same tactics.

    CS Lewis was an atheist and then became a strong Christian and died a strong Christian all the while in his Christian life he believed that Jesus was Son of God and even debated about it.

    Picking up CS Lewis’s words without context to make it appear as if CS Lewis denied that Jesus is God is deplorable act. I know you will counter reply without any admission of guilt by twisting it further. This is due to hatred for Christ and Christianity. Anyway may the Lord show you the truth and the truth will set you free.

    This is an extract from the source below
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis%27s_trilemma

    C.S. Lewis was an Oxford medieval Literature scholar, popular writer, Christian apologist, and former atheist. He used the argument outlined below in a series of BBC radio talks later published as the book Mere Christianity.

    I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronising nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. … Now it seems to me obvious that He was neither a lunatic nor a fiend: and consequently, however strange or terrifying or unlikely it may seem, I have to accept the view that He was and is God.[13]

    Lewis, who had spoken extensively on Christianity to Royal Air Force personnel, was aware many ordinary people did not believe Jesus was God, but saw him rather as “a ‘great human teacher’ who was deified by his supporters”; his argument is intended to overcome this.[1] It is based on a traditional assumption that, in his words and deeds, Jesus was asserting a claim to be God. For example, in Mere Christianity, Lewis refers to what he says are Jesus’s claims:
    to have authority to forgive sins — behaving as if he really was “the person chiefly offended in all offences.”[14]
    to have always existed, and
    to intend to come back to judge the world at the end of time.[15]

    Lewis implies that these amount to a claim to be God and argues that they logically exclude the possibility that Jesus was merely “a great moral teacher”, because he believes no ordinary human making such claims could possibly be rationally or morally reliable. Elsewhere, he refers to this argument as “the aut Deus aut malus homo” (“either God or a bad man”),[16] a reference to an earlier version of the argument used by Henry Parry Liddon in his 1866 Bampton Lectures, in which Liddon argued for the divinity of Jesus based on a number of grounds, including the claims he believed Jesus made.[17]

  9. Steve says:

    Ron

    “People who hate Christ will NOT believe he existed and will SELECTIVELY believe that if JESUS existed THEN JESUS was bad.” That’s because there is no evidence he existed and yes even CS Lewis admitted if he was not God you must believe he is a mad man, a liar/conman or the devil of hell – the one thing you should not say however is that he was good moral teacher- because a person who teaches the world is about to end and for you to abandon everything in your life is a very sick or evil man.

  10. Ron says:

    Zindler was an interim president of American Atheists which was founded by Madalyn Murray O’Hair in 1963. American Atheists do NOT believe in any deity and worship nothing. They consider worshipping any deity, cow, monkey, sun, moon, Allah, Ram, Krishna, Buddha as foolishness. Some of these atheists hate Jesus so much that they doubt that he existed, leave alone believe in him.

    Madalyn Murray insisted that her children should NEVER say prayers to Jesus, NEVER learn about Jesus and should NEVER be exposed to the Bible. She made a case against the school board and won and then US stopped saying prayers in schools, Bible study was removed from public school etc.

    Madalyn Murray’s sons Willaim and Jon were brought up as a staunch atheist and an activist, learning to hate Jesus and also disbelieve in the existence of Jesus.

    In what many saw as a bizarre turnaround in his life, William then found God. This son of America’s high-profile atheist, evolutionist and religion-hater, read Taylor Caldwell’s book Dear and Glorious Physician, about Luke, one of the Bible’s Gospel writers. He suddenly felt a need to read the Bible.

    William rushed out at 3 o’clock one morning in a desperate search for a Bible. He found one in an all-night store. He said that as he read about why Jesus Christ had lived and died, it finally put meaning into his life. ‘I got down on my knees and repented of my sins and asked Jesus Christ into my life as Lord and Saviour.’
    In 1980 William left the house and became a Christian. And then he became a Pastor. He also said that his mother was evil and without Jesus the house atmosphere was always evil.

    In 1995 Madalyn Murray, her son Jon (who was also an atheist), and granddaughter Robin (also an atheist) were robbed, kidnapped, mutilated, killed and then buried by another American Atheist employee named Waters, Karr and Fry.

    People who hate Christ will NOT believe he existed and will SELECTIVELY believe that if JESUS existed THEN JESUS was bad.

    This type of thinking is NOT normal rational thinking but based on INTENSE hatred for Christ due to being brought up by HATRED since infancy, and later HATRED being perpetuated by believing in DEMONIC gods, idols or gurus or ATHEISTIC doctrines. This HATRED is further hardened by anti-Christian politicians who feed on religious fanaticism. They will feed your appetite for hatred with conspiracy theories and re-written unproven history.

    The result is that this anti-Christian will be full of hatred, foul-mouthedness, vulgarity and profanity.

    I remember sometime in 2002-2003 on this same website Ali Sina was advising a Muslim convert who wanted to convert to Christianity that this was like jumping from frying pan to the fire. But Ali Sina was a truth seeker and never ever used profanity.

    Now the same Ali Sina is passionately preaching that Jesus is the way, the truth and life.

    Yes, Jesus is indeed the way, the truth and life.
    https://www.amazon.ca/Life-Without-God-William-Murray/dp/1936488345

  11. Ron says:

    The article referred below is by Zindler was an interim president of American Atheists which was founded by Madalyn Murray O’Hair in 1963. American Atheists do NOT believe in any deity and worship nothing. They consider worshipping any deity, cow, monkey, sun, moon, Allah, Ram, Krishna, Buddha as foolishness. Some of these atheists hate Jesus so much that they doubt that he existed, leave alone believe in him.

    Madalyn Murray insisted that her children should NEVER say prayers to Jesus, NEVER learn about Jesus and should NEVER be exposed to the Bible. She made a case against the school board and won and then US stopped saying prayers in schools, Bible study was removed from public school etc.

    He was brought up as a staunch atheist and an activist, learning to hate Jesus and also disbelieve in the existence of Jesus.

    In what many saw as a bizarre turnaround in his life, William then found God. This son of America’s high-profile atheist, evolutionist and religion-hater, read Taylor Caldwell’s book Dear and Glorious Physician, about Luke, one of the Bible’s Gospel writers. He suddenly felt a need to read the Bible.

    William rushed out at 3 o’clock one morning in a desperate search for a Bible. He found one in an all-night store. He said that as he read about why Jesus Christ had lived and died, it finally put meaning into his life. ‘I got down on my knees and repented of my sins and asked Jesus Christ into my life as Lord and Saviour.’
    In 1980 William left the house and became a Christian. And then he became a Pastor. He also said that his mother was evil and without Jesus the house atmosphere was always evil.

    In 1995 Madalyn Murray, her son Jon (who was also an atheist), and granddaughter Robin (also an atheist) were robbed, kidnapped, mutilated, killed and then buried by another American Atheist employee named Waters, Karr and Fry.

    People who hate Christ will NOT believe he existed and will SELECTIVELY believe that if JESUS existed THEN JESUS was bad.

    This type of thinking is NOT normal rational thinking but based on INTENSE hatred for Christ due to being brought up by HATRED since infancy, and later HATRED being perpetuated by believing in DEMONIC gods, idols or gurus or ATHEISTIC doctrines. This HATRED is further hardened by anti-Christian politicians who feed on religious fanaticism.

    They will feed your appetite for hatred with conspiracy theories and re-written unproven history.
    The result is that this anti-Christian will be full of hatred, foul-mouthedness, vulgarity and profanity.

    I remember sometime in 2002-2003 on this same website Ali Sina was advising a Muslim convert who wanted to convert to Christianity that this was like jumping from frying pan to the fire. But Ali Sina was a truth seeker and never ever used profanity.

    Now the same Ali Sina is passionately preaching that Jesus is the way, the truth and life.
    Yes, Jesus is indeed the way, the truth and life.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Life-Without-God-William-Murray/dp/1936488345

  12. Face_The_Truth says:

    “Very easy to go to paradise after dead. Just believe Jesus is Lord God in your heart. Romans 10:9”

    Anything that is based on falsehood will lead a human being only to a fool’s paradise!

    LINK

    http://www.drabruzzi.com/ZINDLER-JESUS.PDF

  13. No Pointing says:

    Very easy to go to paradise after dead. Just believe Jesus is Lord God in your heart. Romans 10:9

  14. Walter Sieruk says:

    There are Muslim mind control places where Muslim males are thoroughly indoctrinated into the strong but blind and unquestioning faith in Koran with all non-watered down; hard core Islam with is militant jihad. Those places, “schools,” are called madrasas. In those Islamic mind programing centers young Muslim male are ingrain in the mindset Koranic dogma of the use of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As the Koran instructs. As in, for example, in 2:191. 9:5, 123. 47:4. Many of those who of such center are so much damaged that they are literally dangerous to self and others. As seen many times in jihad suicide, homicide bombing/attacks. For the Koran instructs in 9:111. “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.” Furthermore, those mind programming places also ingrain the outlandish absurd Koranic doctrine of a sex-filled paradise with many virgins, houris, in it for the Muslim male who dies fighting for the cause of Islam in the jihad. Such a strange doctrine of a houris filled- place in found in the Koran in 44:54. 55:56. 78:31. Moreover, such Islamic mind programming centers are further explained about by the scholar Don Richardson in his book SECRETS OF THE KORAN which on pages 69,70. Informs the reader that “The world needs to be warned. At least forty million Muslim youth in the Muslim worlds’ religious schools, called madrasa, are avidly memorizing the entire Koran … These schools become breeding grounds for potential terrorists. When male students, isolated from family and friends in madrasa, reach puberty and their hormones are active, there are no girls to date. Instead, Muslim clerics easily shift to focusing the male student’s attention on Koranic verse that promises sex in heaven with dark-eyed houris. Students can only fantasize about martyrdom followed by the sexual release Muhammad promised. This is an unspeakably cruel brainwashing technique , and the Koran is its perfect guidebook.”

  15. A.H. says:

    @Robyt,

    “God can give different communications at different time.”

    This applies to every Christian I think.

    What you mean probably is that Catholics do believe that God still does miracles throughout history up to this very day, whereas Protestants believe that miracles ended when the apostles disappeared from the earth.

    “The Bible is just something past.”

    But tremendously up to date.

  16. robyt says:

    What I meant Walter, was that to humans, God gave different orders at different time. Abraham was told to kill his only son at one time. At another time Abraham was told not to kill him anymore. Maybe God already had made his choice even before, as you said. But this doesn’t change the fact that the man Abraham received two orders contradictory, and according to the Bible, he followed both of them.
    Also the Bible is not a philosphical doctrine where everything is coherent and can be deduced with logical reasoning. Even if the Gospel of Juan, start declaring that the Principle is the Logos, (the Word, the Reason, the Logical, the Think), the Bible is inspired by God but written by many people. If Jesus would have not come, there would have not been the Gospels. If Moses could speak to God, there would have not been the 10 commandments. In the XX century there have been a new piece according to the Catholics, which are the secrets of Fatima. And is still a revelation of the last recognized God’s Will, like the 10 coomandments, etc. God can give different communications at different time. The Bible is just something past.

  17. Walter Sieruk says:

    To the person who goes by the tittle “robyt, to what you keyboarded that”God asks to Abraham at some point to kill his only son . later God changed his mind and told him not to kill. ” Actually in the historic event recorded in the Bible it’s more actuality described that God tested Abraham by telling him to sacrifice son because God because He what to show the world an example of a righteous man who had great faith in God by telling him to so something he hated to do .Nevertheless this great man of faith started to engage in that of his son sacrifice any because God told him to. For God did know in the foreknowledge that would be later recorded in what the world would know as the Bible. Furthermore, God did not really “change His Mind” because God fully knew from the start would that he would stop Abraham for killing his son. God let the whole thing play out until the very time He stopped from killing his son. As just stated that event was to be later record in the is known has the Bible as a example of a man with great faith in God. Moreover ,the other thing you keyboard which is “the judeans sometimes are protected by God. , some time he betrayed him[them] and he punished them.” My friend if you really read the Old Testament you will discover that what really happened is that God warned the Jewish people if they turned away from Him ,In essence if they betrayed Him, for such unfaithful and wicked action on their part He would then punished them. That;s just what happened. I hope those to objects you had keyboarded about he God of the Bible have now been answered well enough for you.
    In addition, to all this, this it also should be known that this God ,just described above, the God of the Bible is not the god of Islam. For the God of the Bible is not really Allah the god of Islam. To explain, through the passing of time it has become widely accepted that the word “Allah” is just the Arabic word for God. This started when truth compromising Bible “translators” substituted the word Allah where the word God should have had been uses in the Arabic translation of the Bible. Furthermore, in the glossary in the book ASSASSINS! By Dr. Haha Lung it defines Allah as the “Pre-Islamic Lunar god : the god of Islam. “ Likewise, in the book entitled INSIDE ISLAM by a former Muslim who is now a Christian, Reza F. Safa on pages 22, 23 it reads “In pre-Islamic times both Allah –worship and Baal-worship involved the worship of the sun, the moon and the stars which h defines them as astral religions. [Which are condemned in the Bible, Second Kings 23:5] The crescent moon, which was the symbol of moon worship, is also the symbol of Islam.” In conclusion the Islamic god, Allah, is not the God of the Bible.

    The words in brackets are my own. In addition other some other books that expose this little known truths are WHO IS THIS ALLAH ? by G..J.O.. Moshay also UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet caner and Emir Fethi Caner and THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey . There is also PHILISTINE by Ramon Bennett

  18. Walter Sieruk says:

    Those jihad suicide /homicide jihad bombers are very brutal and murderous. Such deadly jihad attacks do lead to an important question, which is “Why are the jihadist bombers, so very, delusional that they actually want to become human bombs? ” Some of the reasons are that such violent and deadly people are the outcome of the extreme brainwashing that is done in Islamic mind programming centers which are more widely known as mosques and madrasas, by the Muslim clerics, such as the imams and in some countries as Afghanistan and Iran also the mullahs. In those Islamic mind programming centers youth are thoroughly indoctrinated into believing in the Islamic doctrine from the Koran. as found in 44;54. 55:56. 78:31.., of a sexual/lust filled paradise with many virgins, houris, in it for the Muslim male who dies fighting for the cause of Islam in the jihad. First and foremost, those who come out of those places of extreme brainwash are so very warped, sick and deluded that they actually view such murderous bombing attacks as “martyrdom operations” Likewise, they are so very damaged that they have literally become dangerous to self and others. In addition, the Bible does warn about false teachers who ingrain a belief in a doctrine of a story of a /lustful/lust-filled place with much sex in it. For the Bible warns about false teachers, the Muslim clerics do fit this description, in Second Peter 2:18. Which reads “For they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh…” Furthermore, many a times a jihad –minded Muslim in his death recording talks about “the wedding with the virgins” that he will have after he becomes a “martyr.” Such a belief Jesus would denounce as being based on false doctrine and false teaching. For Jesus taught “Ye do err, not knowing the scripture, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angles in heaven.” Mathew 22:29, 30. In contrast to the delusional Islamic pipe-dream of the jihadist in the Koranic story/doctrine of a place with virgins, Christians have the reality of Second Peter 1:16. Which reads “For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ…” [K.J.V.]

  19. Walter Sieruk says:

    Those jihad suicide-homicide jihad bombers who murder all those people are as deluded as they was dangerous and murderous. For they must had actually believed by that by their murdering jihad bombing he was going to obtain for himself a paradise. The more fool them. For the Bible teaches that a murder “shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ” Galatians 5:21. In addition the falsehood of the story of the doctrine from the Koran, the Qu ‘ran, Sura 44:54. 55:56. 78:31, of a sexual /lust-filled paradise with many virgins, houris, in it for certain men Muslim men is a falsehood the is a story /doctrine is this also absurd. The Bible warns against listening to and believing in unproven, unfounded and far-fetched religious stories. No matter how enticing those religious story /doctrines may be . For the Bible warns against giving “heed to fables…” First Timothy 1:4. Furthermore, the Bible had predicted the coming of such false religious teachers, as those imams, who teaches other a story/doctrine of a lust-filled /lust-fill place for specific men. For the Bible reads “”For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but will after their own lust shall heap to themselves teachers ,having itching ears; and they shall turn their ears for the truth ,and shall be turned unto fables.” Second Timothy 4:3,4. [K.J.V.]

  20. robyt says:

    “A book of God cannot contain a single error.”
    This sounds good if the God/s himself wrote the book, with no intention to lie or tell any falsehood to the humans. For example Pagan Gods (greek/romans) were many time liars to humans. Also if God/s can do whatever he want, he could also change idea at some point: for example in the Bible, God asks to Abrham at some point to kill his only son, later God changed his mind and told him not to kill; the Judeans sometime are protected by God, sometime they betrayed him and he punished them. The Bible for the Christians was not hand written by God himself, and is only ispired by God. And the Quran is made up by the revalations of the Archangel Gabriel to Muhamed. In the Bible there are sometimes contradictions, because God sometimes is good, but sometime is bad, and many times is unpredictable. The Christians say God is not fully understandable, but judging him, he s not always just: he punished Moses not letting him to arrive to the promised land Israel, after all what Mases did; he let Jesus his Son die for the sins of others; and so on. And God/s never let us to have a clear and correct revelation of him and his rules or at least at the many different and contradictory revisions through time. Some time God/s appears to some very blessed people, who has the power to see and talk to him, or his angels, like Moses, jesus, muhamed, and so few others. For the Church the last show of God was in ghe XX cdntury in Fatima.

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