Apostates Stories and the Kind Reaction of the Muslim Mobs
Ibn Kammuna
Dedication: I dedicate this article to Dr. Jamal Badawi and all his elk of Muslim apologetics in the west who lie to western readers by telling them that Islam is a religion of peace, and that Islam does not teach the killing of apostates. Such people are no more than a disgrace to humanity. They are a disgrace because they are trying to defend an evil dogma that is only deserving of being trashed to the lowest level.
Last year, I published two related articles on apostasy and its punishment in Islam according to Islamic law. In one of those articles, I proved, through authentic hadiths, that the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death. In the second article I proved the same punishment using Qur’anic verses. There is no doubt in my mind that any person who is willing to research the Islamic evidence with an objective mind will reach the conclusion that the death penalty for apostasy is a must. In fact, all four Islamic schools of jurisprudence prescribe the death penalty for those who venture out and decide that Islam is not for them, then leave that evil cult. Just to make it clear: there is ONLY four schools of jurisprudence in Islam. Here is a link to those two articles, combined as one, for the interested reader:
http://www.islam-watch.org/Kammuna/Apostasy-in-Islam.htm
Do not be fooled by the Muslim apologetics in the west who deny this truth about the apostasy laws. They are either liars or practicing Taqiyya. I have no respect for such apologetics. I am not in the business of sugar-coating Islam. Evil is Evil, and in a free world, one has to stand tall and tell the honest truth. When you have all four Islamic schools of jurisprudence telling you that the punishment is the death penalty for apostates, what would you say about an apologetic who denies that? He/she is a liar, plain and simple. Taqiyya or no Taqiyya, he/she is a liar. What other possible alternative would you call them? Such apologetics are living in the west, so why not admit the truth, and search for a greener pasture? I have no answer for this last question, except that such people are hanging onto a mirage. In Arabic we have a saying: “a drowning person, will hold onto a straw” (hoping that will save him from drowning). The ship of Islam is on its way down the ocean. Islam is the Titanic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic) of human civilization and it has already hit the huge rocks of ice time and again. The holes are many and big. Not even Muhammad and his deity can save that ship. It is going down to the deepest pit of the ocean of hell, taking with it Muhammad and his divine ego; Allah, along with his followers. I even saw from afar some of those apologetics waving and shouting nonsense from that Titanic.
In this article, I share with the reader two videos that I was aware of through one of FFI’s valued readers and friend, Krishna. I would like to express my gratitude to him for providing me with links to those videos that prompted me to write on the issue of apostasy.
First Video: This video comes from Britian. The story in the video actually touched my heart deeply. It tells the story of a man and his family. They were harassed by the followers of “the religion of Horror and Terror”. I am sure his and his family’s story will touch your heart too. We take our freedoms in the west for granted, yet, this story makes the Islamic threat to our freedoms of choices and of beliefs very concrete. Here is the video (please note that the Imam at the end of the video is simply lying and practicing Taqiyya):
Second Video: This video comes from Iran. Iran has one of the most evil regimes in the world, second only to Saudi Arabia. Even there, people are fed up with Islam, and want freedom no matter what. Maybe the British Government can learn from those courageous Iranian souls, and show some guts in the face of the Muslim thugs of Britain. When Geert Wilders was not allowed in Britain, Bertrand Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_russel) and Anwar Shaikh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Shaikh) were livid and boiling in their graves. I even almost heard them say that they should have asked to be buried in Holland instead of Britain. Shame on the whole government of Britain that cowardly act of not allowing a democratically elected official, and a voice of reason and freedom in the world, Geert Wilders, into Britain. What a shame. What a cowardly act of dhimmitude!
Here is the video from Iran, showing brave Iranians challenging the very establishment of Islam, and its evil Mullah’s, by denouncing the “Religion of Peace” and believing in the man of Peace. Show that video to the cowards of Britain. Maybe then, they’ll come to their senses and be able to remember the great Christian heritage of Britain and Europe that allowed the formation of modern day democracies:
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)Q: In Iraq, Why don’t they teach driver’s education and sex education
on the same day?
A: Its just too hard for the camels !!!!
Q/Why are camels called the ships of the desert.
A/Because they are full of Arabian semen.
What do you call an arab standing between two buildings?
Ali!
What do you call a pretty Paki?
Asif!
Why is the Afghan air force so easy to train?
You only have to teach them how to take off!
Why aren't there any Wal*Marts in Afghanistan?
Because there's a Target on every corner!
What do you call a piece of sandpaper in Afghanistan?
A map!
Failed Afghan recruitment slogans:
Be Allah you can be!
Martyrs have more fun!
Free camoflage turbans! Sign up today!
Uncle oSAMa wants you!
What do you call a guy with his hand up a camels ass?
An Afghani mechanic!
Whats one arab on the moon?
problem
10 arabs on the moon?
problem
100 arabs on the moon?
large problem
1000 arabs on the moon?
big big problem
1000000 arabs on the moon?
massive problem
all the arabs on the moon?
Problem solved!
Frankly speaking the Iranians and Iraqis are the best moslems I have come across. In Sodi Barbaria, people from Jeddah and mekkah region are fairly decent as well.SOme moslems in Damam and daharan area and in Bahrain. The worst lot are sodis in Riyadh and sh1t of the universe are from Buraidah! This is a real sh1t hole of a place where even sodis are scared.that's the true nature of thei evil islam.
Worst Moslems in the order ( duplicity, stupidity, idiocy)
Egyptians.
Palestanians
Pakis
Binglys
North Indian Moslems.
Moslems from malayasia
African moslems( particularly the ethiopians)
Sodis
Kuwaitis
Jordanians
South Indian Moslems
Turkish
Indonesians
Srilankan moslems.
This has been my exposure to this disease of islamic followers!
An old Arab lived close to New York City for more than 40
years. He would have loved to plant potatoes in his garden, but
he is alone, old and weak. His son is in college in Paris, so the
old man sends him an e-mail. He explains the problem:
"Beloved son, I am very sad, because I can't plant potatoes in
my garden. I am sure, if only you were here, you would help and
dig up the garden for me.
I love you,
Your Father"
The following day, the old man receives a response e-mail from
his son:
"Beloved Father,
Please don't touch the garden. It's there that I have hidden 'the
THING'.
I love you, too,
Ahmed"
At 4pm the US Army, The Marines, the FBI, the CIA and the
Rangers visit the house of the old man, take the whole garden
apart, search every inch, but can't find anything. Disappointed
they leave the house.
A day later, the old man receives another e-mail from his son.
"Beloved Father,
I hope the garden is dug up by now and you can plant your
potatoes.
That's all I could do for you from here.
I love you,
Ahmed."
Reject Islam = world peace
#11 jokes were funny!
Halalpork786 wrote:
You are proud as you are Christian : I just love , so does it matter what I love as long as I am in Love? Ha Ha Ha
Have fun Halal.
#4, so bashing Christianity and trying to make it worse than islam is helpful?
All those points you make might be something an individual, or some individuals, have done – not entering some other denomination's Church. But there is no decree in the Catholic Church to do, or not do, such a thing. If there is – show me.
And even if there is – I don't recall any of those same people trying to kill the others from other Churches.
And I know as an individual I wouldn't enter into a mosque because I find the thought of doing so a very disgusting thing to do. To legitimize their deceiving death cult is not my idea of a neat thing to do.
#2, India has met the muslim hordes in three major jihads. And Pakistan used to be India – and the muslims declared another jihad in late 2007. And the violence in Kashmir and India has been going on for some time.
I don't know how anyone can think the muslims will keep their word when they have not done so in any other time and/or place. Especially when they have a religion that says to break any agreement as soon as they see fit.
#16 TRUE
Pakistani schools teach that lie. even though so-called educated Muslims know better they lie to spread Islam. Allah is the greatest deceiver as he said in sura 3:54 He is also the greatest schemer as he said in sura 3;54. How can an intelligent god deceive (lie) to man his creation, and scheme with inferior man. This is the reason why the 57 Islamic states in the UN want to stop us from critizing Islam. Fair is fair. The Muslims will have to destroy the Quran and the hadiths which means no Islam.
I suggest the oic just stop the crap. Too many people have freedom and can read, and do read. Too many Africans and Blacks have kbnown freedom for Islam to succeed. If the Mamluks (white Slaves) and the Black slaves (abeeds) allow the best of all mankind the Arabs to restart slavery it is their fault.
Muslims want to take over Nigeria and the Non-Muslim Nigerians said they are locked and loaded. Non-Muslims said they will fight back as never before. Black Muslims in the West, need to take a lesson from the Africans who suffered so much from Islam. Finally, Africans are fighting back. If Black Americans want to be Muslims go to Saudi Arabia or North Sudan and see how they are treated. Although Black Americans are lighter in skin color than the Sudanese Arabs, so then there will be another war. American Muslims vs African Arabs. They get a one way ticket there and don't come back. Black infidels will say and sing "Hit the road Muslim Jacks, and don't come back– no mo, no mo, no mo. Hit the road Muslim Jacks, and don't come back no mooooo0000000000000.
If Muslims convert to Christinity in Islamic nations it is a good sign because Muhammad was an evil man and we can see that from Quran. However, if these neo-converts start despising other religions, then they are as bad as they were before. In South Korea and Thailand, scores of Buddhist temples are attacked and destroyed by these neo-Christians. Many apologists will say 'Jesus did not preach that but some miscreants are doing it'. Hey, the end result is that they think they are favouring these pagans by harvesting their souls by hook or crook. Yeah, they want to save them from HELL-FIRE!! North East India was converted by force in the last 30 yrs. Recently, Sri Lankan government brought in strict anti-conversion laws against forceful conversions. Christians should not treat other religions with despise. If some Christians are already thinking that I might be consumed in hell-fire on the judgement day for uttering this, then they are as good as Muslims.
To Krishna: thank you brother for the vidoes. I watched the first one. Great. I even may ask FFI to have it posted. We are really still fighting the same fight that this great king fought and lost.
To: Wagamama: In all honesty, do you think the teaching of Jesus are similar to the teachings of Muhammad? I am sure you know better. Now, Christians, throughout history proved to be a bloody bunch too, but not because of their "Qur'an", so to speak. Jesus was a completely pacifist person. He lived what he taught. The Christians you are talking about are really not practicing their faith when they do what you mentioned. You can take what I am telling you here to the bank. This is the honest truth. The problem with Islam is that such evil actions are prompted by the teachings of the religion itself, and by Muhammad. In short, the difference between Christianity and Islam is like day and night. Thanks for your comment brother/sister.
Krishna, one more thing, I could not bring myself to watch the second video brother. it is sickening, and I have a weak heart brother. Hearing about Islamic horrors like that is enough for me. I don't need to see it. May the God of this universe, and every atom in this universe curse Muhammad till the cows come home because of what he did to humanity.
thanks brother
Christians and moscums are the two sides of the same coin of EVIL.Period.
If the christians are presenting a farce peaceful face, they are simply cunning.It took 500 years for christianity to apologise to Galileo about the stupidity of christianity.Sun still does not go round the earth no matter what the divine christ thought and taught.
Moscums are evil to the core.Only people who do not believe in any thing that pedo rapist has vomited out are decent human beings.The rest are garbage.
They both think that they have the truth and so despise the people who do not accept Jesus or the rapist.I can at least give it to jesus,he did not screw a 6 year old child.
Ibn Kammuna, I know there is a sea of difference between the characters of Jesus and Muhammad. Tell me, why the neo-converts from Christianity, especially in the subcontinent, involve in destroying others' places of worship. For example, the once peaceful Buddhists in Korea and Thailand, when they convert to Christianity they resort to destroying the idols of Buddha and pagodas. It doesn't happen in western countries. Why does that happen in Asia and Pacific countries? In India too, many neo-converts have taken away idols (we call them deities) from temples and destroyed them. We Hindus and Buddhists still remember the dark days of history when Muhammad Ghazni, Ghori, Tughlaq, Timurlain, Babar, and Aurangzeb destroyed innumerable temples and deities. My honest questions to you– a researcher/scholar– are
1. What makes these neo-converts to destroy the places of worship of others?
2. When Christians and Muslims have done it in the past, then there must be some teachings that encourage them to do so. Please don't put before me the sorry figure of Jesus to explain away things.
My initial research into this (Quran and Old testament) confirms that idols are to be detested and destroyed by Muslims and Christians at any cost. Christians use OT to do stupid things and later bring in the sorry-state figure of Jesus to console you. This won't run forever.
I think we should have more article like this. We need to continue to brain wash the muslim that is them that are going to hell if they continue to support this cult. I think this will help to make sense into and them make them think twice before commiting to a cult like this. This is where Pascal's Wager suggestion is defeated here. To Pascal's Wager you will not loose much if you believe in god. I think you will lose a lot if you commit to a wrong god. You may be condemned to the worst hell it will ever exist if it is true.
Wagamama,
brother I wish I have answers to everything. I don't. I grew up in the middle east and not east Asia, and this is probably part of why I do not understand why Christians, say in north east India are violent and give Christianity a bad name. I really have no answers. I suspect what makes any group of people in addition to religion is cultural values, political struggles, ethnicity..etc. I can tell you this though: in my view, Christianity can be seen most vivid in the first 4 gospels of the new testament. this is what Jesus taught and lived. I am not writing here to defend Christianity by any means. All I am saying is that Jesus, the supposed leader of the Christians, was a pacifist. In one of his writings, Ali Sina describes Jesus as "Pacifist to a Fault". This is actually accurate. The man believed in forgiveness no matter what.
Incidently, Allahmeralauda is using my lack of knowledge of his language to call me names. I have no hard feeling toward you brother/sister. I just do not know why you are trying to insult a person when you even don't know that person. By the way, I picked my name after a Jewish person who lived in Iraq about a 1000 years ago. He had to flee his home after he wrote a book about Islam. He was smuggled in a basket. The Muslims mob, who did not even read what he wrote, came after him to kill him. He fled and stayed away from his home town until he died. What an evil religion Islam is.
Peace to all.
Ibn Kammuna, thanks for your response. I believe that Jesus lived a peaceful life. However, if you peep into history, you will find that Christianity never coexisted with other religions. It used sword to convert the Greeks, Romans, Mayans, and other pagans. However great Jesus could have been, the entire "heathen" population of a civilization cannot accept him as their "only" saviour. When there is freedom of religion in US, many born christians are turning towards other religions. This did not happen in the past in Europe and South America. Christianity ruthlessly forced the natives to accept Jesus. If Christianity is a peaceful religion, then it should have coexisted with Hellenism, paganism, Druids, Celtecs, Romans, and other religions in Europe. Sadly, Christianity first attacks the core of other religions before unleashing its wrath on the population. You might know how Portuguese Catholics created terrorism in Goa, India. Google 'Goa inquisition' and you will realize Christians were no better than Muslims.
All I say is wherever Islam and Christianity have ruled, they have decimated the native population and forced them to accept their belief or dogma that— Jesus is the only saviour / Muhammad is the ultimate prophet of God. I might sound quite blunt here, but it is a fact. Christians are so obsessed with Jesus that they enter 'heathen' home, describe the glory of Jesus, and end up bashing the native culture as if it is fit for hell. Since you are from middle east, Christianity could be a better alternative. To be frank, the teachings of Buddha are far more superior than Jesus', but Buddhists do not shout on the top of their voice to confirm it. If the Church were not to be separated from the State in the west, then Europe would still be in Dark Ages. Why the term- separation of the CHURCH from state and why not religion from state?
My research confirms that few common teachings in Islam and Christianity make the followers of these religions lot more aggressive towards other faiths. If Islam is no.1, then definitely Christianity stands at no.2. There is no doubt about this! Trust me, I have no disrespect towards Jesus, but I abhor Muhammad a lot.
Ibn Kammuna, take your time and read the following article on the fraudulant conversions happening in Asia. Christians have resorted to idol worship as well– just to convert some pagan souls. They will resort to any technique in pagan lands. I know Jesus didn't preach this!
Priest admits to idol worship in churches
Posted March 14, 2009
Indian Express
BANGALORE: In a revelation that could have widespread ramifications, Father Joseph Menengis, priest of St James Church in Mariyannapalya, Bangalore, confessed before the Justice B K Somashekara Commission of Inquiry on Wednesday that idol worship was being performed in churches to attract Hindus and convert them to Christianity.
The Commission is inquiring into the recent attacks on churches in Karnataka.
As Hindus believe in idol worship,so to attract them to Christianity, idol worship is performed in churches,� Menengis said.During cross-examination, the priest said that despite idol worship being prohibited in Bible, we have idol worship in churches.The duty of every Christian is to convert non-Christians to Christianity by any means,the priest told the commission.
St James Church was attacked by miscreants on September 21, 2008.
The church is running co-education institutions, with classes from first to eight standard. During cross-examination the priest confessed that no girl students are permitted to use kumkum, bangles and wear flowers. In our institution, we have moral science textbook.But it does not contain texts regarding Holy Bible and Jesus, the priest added. The commission has requested the priest to submit the textbook to it.
Its the fault of stupid hindus that they are letting the evil of christianity and islam flourish and progress amidst them.If Hindus become aggressive, then islamic and christian goons will stop the nonsense of conversion.
The rpoblem is ginorant and greedy hindus will join the secular brigade and will create havoc.
allahmera lauda wrote
ibn kaminay…the name krishna is a very holy name…one who enlightens ppl in some way or other and always tehre to help ppl…
mere laude, why the fuck are you calling him a Kamina? What has he done to you? Is he responsible for what the Christians are doing in India… Just bcos Indians Christians (many not all) are freaking retards does not mean that you wil shower every Christian with your shit. If you have a problem with Christians in India then go and beat the shit out of them, why are you targetting someone who has nothing to do with what Christians do in India. You have proved yourself to be a major retard time and again, my lauda.
#29 can u show me where it is written in the bible. The duty of every Christian is to convert non-Christians to Christianity by any means. Those words are of his own
MATTHEW CHAPTER 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 7:16 you will know them by there fruits.Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
It is clearly written that u shall not worship idols,then how can u call them christians when they openly worship idols. CHRISTIANS R THOSE WHO FOLLOW CHRIST AND HIS TEACHINGS.
wagamama:
First to be frank, the old testament clearly discourages idol worship so this is probably the primary reason some christians in idol worshiping cultures like south east asians will resort to destroy idols once they become zealous in their new faith.
The key question is there any necessity for new converts to hate idol worshipers and destroy their idols? The answer is no. The OT is a detailed dealings between God and descendants of Israel which is comprise of laws, creeds and traditions that God ordered to be strictly abided by israelites. Any violation would not pass away unscathed. The worst was worshiping anything other than Yahweh which deserved nothing less than capital punishment!
The iron is if Yahweh is so much abhored with idol worshipping, why the heathens i.e non-jewish races could get away with idol worshipping without being punished? God sent so many prophets but only sent to one race consisting of few bunch of people, the israelites, to remind them of him being the only God and that idols were abominations. It did not matter how much those israelites defied his laws or became stubborn or discouraged God, God did not give up. He simply tolerated them. But why God did not show that much attention to the gentiles/heathens? These high profile God dealings with jews continued until the advent of Jesus!
At this point I want to mention that if God was that much disgusted by idol worship, he would've taught us that or sent to us prophets to teach us about it. But he ignored us and didn't care. And Paul reiterates this in Acts 17:30 "Though God has overlooked those times of ignorance, he now commands everyone everywhere to repent".
Wagamama brother, actually those violent christian converts in south asia are likely to be motivated by the zealotry associated with the early stages of the new faith coupled with the obvious lack of knowledge of christian scriptures. Otherwise they would have known that God is not that much abhored with idol worshiping. I'm also frustrated by experienced christian leaders of south asia, cant they help their people to respect others?
#27. Ibn Kammuna Says:
""Incidently, Allahmeralauda is using my lack of knowledge of his language to call me names.""
Then how do you know Lauda is calling you Names? If you have no knowledge of Lauda's Language?
#31. ibrahim Says:
""mere laude, why the xxxx are you calling him a Kamina? ""
Now why should you react to any kind of profanity when you can just ignore such sh!t?
Your reaction proves ,profanity is also part of your real self, just scratch a little and your real self surfaces. Ha Ha Ha . Same as Kamunna.
Pseudo Moralists. Ha Ha Ha
I have been visiting this website for a while and I find the language used in forum very uncivilized. Seems like people in these forums believe that Muslims are not humans. Some people even curse Allah which just means God to Muslims. People here claim to love humanity but all I find here is just extreme hatred fand scorn for Muslims.
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Dear salim,
you are absolutely wrong. It is the islam which has looted india both physical as well as financially. You might have given few things but have learnt many things also. It is India where you could not convert even 30-to 40 % even after ruling for a thousand years. It is in India where the barbardness of Islam was blunted and a sufism came to being. You know in India we call you MALLACHe i.e a very unclean and filthy. We have survived your onslaught. It is a great possibility that your for- mothers were raped by the advancing army of mahommad and now you are on the side of rapers of your ancestors. Hindus has never in their history attacked other nations to convert them. We have never looteed another nation, You are teaching us tahjeeb???.
Wow Krishna brillant stuff….We know, love and respect them Parsis in India…They have such a large share in building our nation with selfless devotion…The current stock of Iran is from that genetic pool…What beauty, what colour the second part of the second video is so full of hope I PRAY….ISLAM SHALL DIE AND THE BEAUTY THAT ONCE WAS SHALL RETURN TO THE LANDS RAVAGED AND PLUNDERED BY THIS DEVILISH RELIGION…
#39. peace_lover Says:
===If Muslims dont have right to talk about language then Christians and Jews also dont have it. There isnt much difference between the Old testament, Koran and Torah.==
You are right to the extent that "" Christians and Jews also dont have it"" But when I said Muslim I meant "believer of Pedo-Mo" and not the by birth innocent human beings who are forced to become Muslims by their parents or the billy goat Mullahs.
Believers like Muslims, Christians and Jews: they are all the same wine with different labels.
Dear Peacelover and hate giver
Moslems have given the nonmoslems nothing but hatred and disturbance in the name of the pedophile rapist and allahmeralauda. Can you give one good act done by moslems to non moslems ( Indians in particular) to make us all believe that yes islam is a peaceful religion?
I can give you thousands of evil acts perpetrated by the uncouth,uncivilised, brutal, barbaric, criminal, polygamist, rapist moslems on kafirs and all Iam asking you is give one decent act done by moslems to kafirs.
That's the reason no body likes Allahmeralauda, rapist mohammad and the evil moslems. Do you understand why there are so many people hating the evil foot soldiers of allahmeralauda?
Dear peace lover,
If you are a muslim,then the name is not apt.I read your arguments with brother proud christian who mentioned that the bible is corrupted.do you have the guts to say the koran is corrupted or imperfect.What makes you think muslims are perfect & superior?
When you convert a nonmuslim,you ask him to give up his culture,religion & blood relatives if so required.That is you ask him to forget the past.HIS MENTAL & PHYSICAL WORLD IS WIPED CLEAN.Why cannot the muslim world (ulema) forget the past of their caliphate & stop hallucinating about creating a new world wide caliphate.I am using islamic logic for this.
Hinduism is the oldest longest lasting religion on the planet.It is not here, only because of the greatness of the religion,but also due to the abrahamic religions, especially islam & to a certain extent Christianity.You guys have effectively wiped out other different belief systems & religions. Many years back, i read a lot of Christians blaming their religion for creating so much of strife & anarchy in different parts of the world. In a world sense i never understood the statements,now i understand.My Pranam,salam & blessings to these correct thinking humans who were born as Christians in this world. The mainline churches have behaved & given yeoman service to my Indian brothers in remote areas,with some amount of conversions which is acceptable. But dear Christians of the free west,it is not the same with fringe elements or evangelicals who have run amok in India. RIGHT THINKING CHRISTIANS OF THE FREE WEST SHOULD REIN IN THESE ELEMENTS WHO ARE, AS BAD,AS VOLATILE,AS MUSLIMS.
NOW COMING TO THE MUSLIMS WHAT HAVE YOU CONTRIBUTED TO THE INDIAN NATION OR AT LEAST TO THE INDIAN SOCIETY. THAT S THE ANSWER FOR THE UNCIVILIZED LANGUAGE USED FOR ISLAM & MUSLIMS, BY INDIANS IN GENERAL & HINDUS IN PARTICULAR.
IF ALI SINA STARTS A HINDU BASHING WEB SITE, I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON ON THE FORUM.HINDUISM REQUIRES IT.WE HAVE GATHERED PLENTY OF MOSS OVER THE MILLENNIUM, WE NEED TO CLEAR IT. THAT AGAIN IS THE BEAUTY OF HINDUISM, WE REFORM & MOLD TO CRITICISM. SO DEAR TRY TO IMBIBE SOME GOOD QUALITIES FROM HINDUISM & YET BE A MUSLIM.
BECAUSE HINDUISM IS LESS OF A RELIGION & MORE, A WAY OF LIFE.
GROW UP & TRY TO REFORM & STILL BE A MUSLIM. TAKE CARE.
Dumbo proud Kafir
One thing muslims hammered home to Indians is how fragmented Indians were.
Secondly, there was no country like India, up untill muslims made this to be realized. You should be thankful, but moron, you appear to be deluded there.
Actually, guys like you are uncouth and uncivilized, muslims gave you a lot of tehzeeb to build on, if your somnambulist self knows what it really means.
If it was brutal, rest assured you needed it for your own good.
See, you still feel proud as a kafir, you moron!!
guys watch
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,220…
#52 Vision:
Quute from the article,
"Mr Widiyanto and his supporters say his actions are acceptable under Islam but others say he should abide by state law, which sets 16 as the minimum age for marriage."
Which law is greater, the law of the land or the sunnah of allah's messenger (may all curses be upon him)?
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,220…
Salim
Hey man maybe you want to drop by Gujarat and we will teach you some tehzeeb like the others did
Dear Venex,
You are welcome dear.You are right about the PARSES.This small microscopic community Of India has done more for the nation than the 150 millon muslims.These gave us trouble in the past,present & in future will be more trouble some.
Regarding the Iranians i will tell you 4 real stories of them.
1)When i was doing my MBBS ,i had 2 Iranians as classmates.One was hard working.He used to read the medical textbooks in parsi understood & then read the English edition of the same book. He completed his course & left to USA. The other was more into islam & was invoved in the pro – anti Khomeini groups & wrecked his career.I met this guy on the street 10 years later & he was still in the first year.My eyes moistened on hearing his story.We don't curse even our enemies for this kind of trouble.We know the consequences of getting stuck in a professional college.THANKS TO THE GREAT ISLAMIC REVOLUTION.
2) I was at my mechanic shop getting my bike serviced.I was told that a family wants to dispose their household items.(It was in the mid eighties). I went to the house & found them to be Iranians who wanted to sell because they had no money for food.THANKS TO THE GREAT ISLAMIC REVOLUTION.
3)My friend had a Iranian girlfriend(next to impossible.They never move with locals)They had a long standing affair.He told me that she relishes pork.I never believed him.Now i wonder,was he telling the truth.This lady moved on to Canada.
4)We visited a medical conference.On the way back,our proffesser desired to visit a famous hindu temple.PROBLEM-we had a Iranian in our group. We did not have the heart to dump him on the street or make him catch a bus.SO WE TOOK HIM ALONG TO THE TEMPLE.In the temple he panicked on seeing arathi(holy fire) & thirtha(holy water) & pulled me to the side,telling me it was not acceptable to him.I said cool,nobody will notice that you did not recieve in the rush.Exiting from the temple,I could see that he was overwhelmed by the experience & rushed to call his wife.Last i heard,he managed to make it to Canada with his family.
NOW LOOKING BACK AT THESE INCIDENTS,I FEEL THEY ARE THE PULSE OF THE GENERAL IRANIAN POPULATION YEARNING FOR FREEDOM & FREEDOM FROM ISLAM ITSELF. MY BEST WISHES FOR THEM TO GO BACK TO THEIR ROOTS.IT IS NOT WISHFUL THINKING,I AM SURE IT IS WAITING TO HAPPEN.
proudchristian
I don't identify myself with the left. But it doesn't matter. Even if I am a leftist, as a christian, you shouldn't use derogatory language against me or Muslims. Try to follow Jesus. Let me remind you again what he said.
” You have heard that it was said, “Love your neighbor and hate your enemy”, But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
Matthew 5 :43
Krishna786 said
"do you have the guts to say the koran is corrupted or imperfect.What makes you think muslims are perfect & superior?"
You make a lot of assumptions. I never claimed that Muslims are perfect or superior. All I want from you guys is to treat them like humans. Do I have guts to say Koran is corrupted or imperfect ? I don't care. Even if the Koran was never corrupted it doesn't matter since that book is of no importance to me. Its a confusing book written by 7th century Arabs. The only reason people give it importance is because it is believed to be authored by God. A false belief in my opinion.
IF WHAT YOU ADMIT IS TRUE,THEN PEACE LOVER BROTHER,I MISTOOK YOU & MY DUE APOLOGIES TO YOU.PEACE.TAKE CARE.
## comment 32: Dreamland, I don't know if such fraudulant tactics are written in Bible or not. Do you or the Christian society accepts such fraudulant converts as normal christians? If the Bible does not advocate conversion through trick, then Christians should ask such cheated people to return to their roots. I guess it is not happening. Blessing in disguise?
## Comment 35: You may say that Jesus didn't preach on breaking idols. There are many verses in Old Testament asking the holy followers to break the idols. Lemme quote.
##You must demolish completely all the places where the nations whom you are about to dispossess served their gods, on the mountain heights, on the hills, and under every leafy tree. Break down their altars, smash their pillars, burn their sacred poles with fire, and hew down the idols of their gods, and thus blot out their name from their places. You shall not worship the Lord your God in such ways. (Deuteronomy 12:2-4)##
Do you know why scores of Greek, Aztec, Roman, Druid, Celtec, and Hindu temples were broken in the past and present? Now don't tell me like Muslims that the verses are taken out of context; that Biblical God was referring to some moron etc. Such a thing is not happening in the west simply because the church and its literatures are separated from the state forever. In Asia, the native religions such as Hinduism, Shintoism, and Buddhism do not believe in attacking idols or worship places simply because their scriptures don't preach like that. Morever, these people do not know the amount of hate filled in Bible or Quran. The missionaries and Muslims have taken advantage of the innocence of these people. When they retaliate, Muslims and Christians jointly accuse them as terrorists.
Christians must first concentrate on correcting their scriptures first before attacking places of worship of others. Yeah i know Protestants accuse Catholics of idol worship. But will they attack the idols of Jesus and Mary? When Christianity itself has several stupidities written in its scriptures, what right it has to attack worship places of others?
Dude Proud Christian, Christians have always attacked worship places of others in the past and are doing it even now in Korea, Sri Lanka, and India. If you really want to stop that happening, just like Quran burn your old testament. I don't see any difference between Quran and Old testament. When I quoted similar verses from OT and Quran on Islam-watch website on a related article, the coward editor, MA Khan, deleted the comments and closed the forum. However, he had no qualms in mentioning that Quran borrowed many of its faulty ideas from Zoroastrianism. This is the hypocrisy of many ex-Muslims.
forumites, great posts. I am new here. excellent monikers.
allameralauda, was your previous avatar muslo-maro?
allameralauda
what I wanted to write was musloko-maro, not muslo-maro
Hurrh, I am amazed at the kind of hatred filled in Bible (comment 66, Deutronomy 12:2-4). I took a Christian friend to a Hindu festival at a temple upon his request. He was absolutely normal. Anyway, we got to exercise care. These verses program many to smash idols. For them it is the command from God, whereas to the rest of the sane world, it is terrorism.
Dear AML,a clarification.The Iranians i wrote about were Iranian students (muslims) studying in India.They arrived in India during the Shah of Iran rein.Many of them got stuck in India after the Islamic revolution of 1979.They got stuck because many of them were on the wrong side of the revolution & hence money from the Iranian govt was cutoff ,given peanuts and/or delay in sending money to them.Many of these students suffered.Few married & settled down in India.Aml Bhai Thanks for the encouragement.It keeps me writing.
Any moslem is just a step away from becoming a beserk jihadi! The moment you notice a clean shaven moslem start growing beard, beware! The jihadi scumbag inside is surfacing.
Most moslems carry this jihadi gene that lies dormant in few and is virulently manifest in most and is just a few reactions away in all.The moment jihadi scum gene is activated the scum bags spread the islam ( otherwise known as scum of earth, SH*T,CRA*,GRAB*GE etc) around.Islam is the most tolerant peacefully religion on earth.Its not understood properly, practiced properly and the unbelievers are jealous and so they dislike islamicpiss.I can not add any more insults to allahmeralauda and the rapist pedophile bastard mohammad
# 65 wagamama, MARK 12:30 ( AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL,WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, ) can you think these people who r converted by fradulent means can love the god as mentioned above, coming to me i am against this fradulent means of conversion, about Christian society i am not the head so i can not say anything about that because there r many who r hell bent to convert people by fradulent means, i dont know what they want to achive doing so.
Peacelover,
Responding to your post #61 to follow Jesus does not mean to stay a coward and watch islamoterrorists blowing up subways, flyovers and innocent people.
To follow Jesus does not mean I should stay quiet and watch fraudulent muslim apologists and charlatans attacking the bible by calling it corrupted and calling my Lord a mere human prophet.
To follow Jesus does not mean I should not utter a word when I see crooked soldiers of allah stoning women, raping children, executing by hanging innocent youths and decapitating journalists.
In essence I'm following my Lord Jesus. Notwithstanding his pacifism he was sometimes fed up of hypocricy of jewish leaders and whipped money changers in the Temple, turned over their tables and destroyed everything they had.
Muslims are not my enemies, your suggestion that I should love my enemies is irrelevant. By the way in my apartment I'm staying with a muslim (although he has never read the quran and does not keep a beard) and we get along very well.
My enemy is allah and quran. Allah says I'll be a fuel in hell and that muslims should not take me as friend. Thankfully my friend defies allah (ahh, he doesn't know if allah commands him not to love me)!
And you are not a peacelover, if you loved peace you would've worked hard at this moment to ensure this world is rid of islam for your grandchildren to live in peace.
Peace brother!
Most people get converted to either of the two barbaric practices for money (poor imbeciles) or for acquiring additional vaginas( as its allowed in islam) This significantly reduces the credibility of both these evils and only adds to the evil points.This has been the trend in India.Poor get lured in to following the jesus and the rich or thsoe with more money and want additional vaginas get it from islam.The islam suppiles vaginas and the bible supplies a bag of rice! Sex and money! Spirituality is out of contest
To wagamama,
As I told you before the bible is blatantly anti idol worship and I'll not burn the old testament just to appease you. The bible is the word of God, to burn the bible will be an egregious disrespect and blasphemy to God and why the hell should I do this.
Some people like you cannot see the difference between the OT and quran, to these people I tell them go to Saudi Arabia or Somalia and do the things you used to do in a Jewish state (like drinking alcohol, socializing with girls, etc). And if you get out alive, sure there is no difference between them.
Even the verse you have quoted is an evidence that the OT and quran is like white and black. Let me also quote:
"You must demolish completely all the places where the nations whom you are about to dispossess served their gods, on the mountain heights, on the hills, and under every leafy tree."
Cant you see this is a very descriptive verse? It does not say go to India, Thailand or (insert any other place except Palestine). You see Jews were instructed to abolish idols in Palestine only!
You guys are only hell-bent at rejecting anything biblical and all your arguments are dishonest and unintellectual. You are no different to muslims.
. proudchristian Says: :
—-You guys are only hell-bent at rejecting anything biblical and all your arguments are dishonest and unintellectual. You are no different to muslims.—
You are right baby as your Pope.
""Pope Benedict XVI is a man of enormous authority.""
When he says "don't use condoms – even to prevent the spread of Aids" it has a significant impact among tens, even hundreds of millions of people.
What this cretin Pope wants is : more Christians more political power. So breed like bacteria same as the Muslims.Even if it means more Christian AIDS victims. Ha Ha Ha Ha
Christianity a cult of AIDS victims, as Islam is a cult of criminals. Great Pope. Baby " proudchristian "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7951839.stm
And that means Breed like Muslim Pigs. The Numbers what matters for the Cults like Islam and Christianity.
Halalpork,
For your information I am not a catholic.
Secondly AIDS is not something you can blame on one particular religion, it has far more to do with poverty and education, which I'm sure you know is the cause of many problems in Sub-Saharan Africa.
As for the Pope and his phobia for condoms I dont have much to say. Personally I do believe in one girlfriend, faithfulness and use of contraceptives including condoms. The fact that pope said that in order to increase adherence in the catholic church is beyond me.
Yes indeed Ibn Kammuna, O merciful Allah has decreed that there are 2 permissible versions of Islam. One for domestic consumption in Islamic countries where they daily live harsh reality and another for foreign consumption where they pretend it isn't so.
All to falsely advertise Islam as a religion of peace among future potential slaves called reverts. How come false advertising laws don't apply to Islam?
One more nation will face the "peaceful" ISLAMIC invasion.
Govt inks deal with Muslims in Nepal http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Govt-ink…
Say yes to Islam then say yes to
1.Pedophilia
2.Wife beating
3.Kafir killing.
4.Rape.
5.Child molesting.
6.Lying.
7.Uncouth behaviour.
8.Illiteracy.
9.Ignorance.
10.Incest.
11.Beheading on fridays.
12.Head banging 5 times a day.
13.Irrationality.
14.Slavery.
15.Stupidity.
16.Cruelity
17.Criminality.
18.30% rip off interest
19.Burkha.
20.Misogyny
21.Backwardness.
All in all regress to 7th centuryArabia.
Say no to islam and you will be saying No to All of the above.So think .would you want to say yes to islam or a BIG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to islam?
by Ibn Kammuna
""—– Iam not in the business of sugar-coating Islam. Evil is Evil, and in a free world, one has to stand tall and tell the honest truth. When you have all four Islamic—-""
Just read the following , you will come to know : It is not just Islam which is in the business of sugar-coating Truth.
Very Interesting facts!
Christianity…. One Christ, One Bible Religion…
You know the Latin Catholic will not enter Syrian Catholic Church.
These two will not enter Marthoma Church.
These three will not enter Pentecost Church.
These four will not enter Salvation Army Church.
These five will not enter Seventh Day Adventist Church.
These six will not enter Orthodox Church.
These seven will not enter Jacobite church.
Like this there are 146 sects in Kerala alone for Christianity,
each will never share their churches for fellow Christians.. !
One Christ, One Bible, One Jehova….. Where is the unity!!!
Now Muslims..! One Allah Dalla, One Qurand, One Nebi….one Sharia law .
Among Muslims, Shia and Sunni kill each other in all the Muslim countries.
The religious riot in most Muslim countries is always between these two sects.
The Shia will not go to Sunni Mosque.
These two will not go to Ahamadiya Mosque.
These three will not go to Sufi Mosque.
These four will not go to Mujahiddin mosque.
Like this it appears there are 13 castes in Muslims.
Killing / bombing/conquering/ massacring/. .. each other !
The American attack to the Muslim land of Iraq is fully supported by all the Muslim countries surrounding Iraq!
One Allah Dalla, One Qurand, One Nebi….! Where is the peace !
All Muslims are not Terrorists, but most Terrorists are Muslims. 60% of all victims of Muslim terrorism are Muslims.
Hindus – 1,280 Religious Books, 10,000 Commentaries,
more than one lakh sub-commentaries for these foundation books, 330 million gods, variety of Aacharyas, thousands of Rishies, hundreds of languages… ………….with all these, problems are bound to be there……… still, mostly everyone goes to the SAME TEMPLE …
Politicians had tried to divide and rule, using religion, caste and creed… Keep Religion out of Politics, and India will be the most peaceful place on earth.
Peace brother Ibn Kammuna. Have a nice reading.
Halalpork786
Now I'm sure you are so much in love with hinduism!
proudchristian Says:
March 17th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Now I’m sure you are so much in love with hinduism!
You are proud as you are Christian : I just love , so does it matter what I love as long as I am in Love? Ha Ha Ha
There's a paki, a englishman, a granny and a blonde girl on a train.They go threw the tunnel and they hear some one get
slapped. The blonde girl thinks the paki has felt the granny and slapped the paki and the granny thought that about the
blonde girl and the englishman thought I can't wait until another tunnel so I can hit that paki bastard again.
Two Arabs are sitting in a Gaza Strip bar chatting over a pint of fermented goat’s milk.
One pulls his wallet out and starts flipping through pictures and they start reminiscing.
"This is my oldest son, he’s a martyr."
"This is my second son. He is a martyr also."
After a pause and a deep sigh, the second Arab says wistfully,
"They blow up so fast, don’t they?"
Dear brothers Ibn Kammuna & Ali Sina
I am presenting 2 more videos concerning IRAN.First one is the letter written by the Persian King to the calipha after his defeat.You can feel the Kings anguish in his words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daDZyBSlicQ&fe… The second video is comparing an islamic Iran to a SECULAR IRAN.This video is disturbing especially where a teenage boy is hung & he goes smiling,yes smiling.This reminds me of the story of Shahed BHAGAT SINGH.It brought tears to m eyes.The caption was apt,this boy could be your son,brother,etc.Truly islam is a bustard religion.I THINK THERE NO WORDS IN THE HUMAN VOCABULARY TO DESCRIBE islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-FMfTpeRD4&fe…
#37. peace_lover Says:
""—all I find here is just extreme hatred fand scorn for Muslims.—""
You mean to say Allah Dalla( Pimp) is a Muslim?
If some one curses Allah Dalla , he is cursing the whole of Muslim brotherhood?
Are you a ". peace_lover " or a pedophile MoHamMad lover baby?
Muslim pigs ( believers of pedo-Mo ) have no right to talk about languages " Uncivilized or Civilized "as Muslim pigs ( believers of pedo-Mo ) have nothing to do with civilization as those inhuman cretins are responsible for destruction of many a beautiful Civilizations in the past and the present.
If Muslims dont have right to talk about language then Christians and Jews also dont have it. There isnt much difference between the Old testament, Koran and Torah. But most of the people in this forum dont use uncivilized language against Jews or Christians. All there hatred is directed towards Muslims.
Yes the language used in this forum is fairly uncivilized but so does allah, muhammad and the quran. All three are filthy and extremely violent, dangerous and totaly uncivilized. And yeah you are right to say allah means god to muslims…of course a god which allows pedophillic behaviours.
Be careful proudchristian. Seems like you forget the word of lord. Let me remind you:
" You have heard that it was said, "Love yout neighbour and hate your enemy", But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who prosecute you.
Matthew 5 :43
You call yourself proudchristian and you use foul language against your fellow humans ? You don't even follow what christ preached.
Peacelover, if you cannot see the difference between OT and quran, you will see it by looking at the fruits that what these books produces. The quran produces hypocrites, terrorists, pedophiles, dictators, unstable governments, violation of basic human rights, extreme ignorance, poverty, burqa, familly dismanagement, polygamy, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran….satisfied?
You will know them by their fruits!
Peacelover but the bible is corrupted. How do you know that is the word of lord?
peace_lover show me one country where muslims have not created a hell in the name of allah.
Christians have done horrendous things too. Dont make me list the disgusting things that people belonging to Christianity have done. However we don't need to fret about the past . I do recognize that there is a problem with Muslim world. However insulting them and using foul language is not the way to deal with it.
proudchrstian you believe Bible is corrupted ? Thats interesting. R u really a christian ? Anyways, so in order to justify cursing Muslims you are claiming that bible is corrupted.. Well people have changed religious beliefs in the past according to their convenience , so i m not surprised.
peacelover, the christians reformed. Let' me know if the muslim world can be reformed and how.
Actually I thought you are a muslim and that is always my response when a muslim picks any bible verse to prove his point. If you are not a muslim you are one of those leftist buffoons condoning islamoterrorism and justifying everything they do in the name of cultural relativism.
Krishna,
Thank you very much for the videos. For people who didn't see the reply of shah I am pasting here.
I wish to see Persians rising again to their past glory within my lifetime.
Here is the letter,
From shah of shahs, shah of Persia and beyond, Shah of many kingdoms shah of Aryans and non Aryans, shah of Persians and many other Arabs as well, Shahanshah of Persian Empire, Yazdgrid III sassanid
To: Omar Ibn Al Khatab. Khilafat of Tazi.
You in your letter wrote that you want to direct us towards your god “Allah hu Akbar" and because of your barbarity and ignorance without knowing who we are and whom we worship, you demand that we seek out your god and become worshippers of Allah u Akbar”. How strange that you occupy the seat of Arab caliph but are as ignorant as any desert roaming Arab. You admonish me to become monotheistic in faith, ignorant man, for thousands of years we aryaee have in this land of art and culture been monotheistic, and five times day have we offered prayers to God's throne of oneness. While we laid the foundations of philanthropy and righteousness and kindness in this world and held high ensign of “Good thoughts. Good Words. Good deeds" . You and your ancestors were desert wanderers who ate snakes, lizards and burn your innocent daughters alive. You Arabs have no values for god creatures. You behead god's children; even prisoners of war rape women, bury their daughters alive, attack the caravans’ mass murder, kidnap people's wives and steal their property. Your hearts of made of stone, we condemn all those evils which you do? How can you teach godly ways when you commit these actions?
You tell me to stop my fire worship, us Persians see the love of creator and the power if inventor in the light of sun and warmth of fire. Lights and warmth of the sun and fire makes us see the light of truth and warm our heart to the creator and one another. It helps us to be kind to one another, it enlighten us and make us to keep Mazda’s flame, alive in our hearts. Our lord is Ahura Mazda and it is strange that you people also just discovered hi and named him “Allah hu akbar”.
But we are nothing like you. We in the name of Ahuramazda, practice, compassion and love, and goodness, righteousness, forgiveness, care for the dispossessed and the unfortunate. We spread truth throughout the earth, we have been spreading our culture, but in respect for the other cultures through out the whole world for thousands of years. But you in the name of "Allah U Akbar" commit murder, create misery and subject other to suffering. Tell me the truth, who is to blame for your misdeeds? Your God who orders genocide, plunder and destruction, or you who do this things in his name? Or both? You, who have spent all your days in brutality barbarity, have now come out of your desolate deserts resolved to teach. You by the blade and by conquest, teach the worship to God to a people who have for thousands of years been civilized and have relied on culture and knowledge and art as mighty supports. Tell us? With all your military, barbarism murder and pillage in the name of "Allah Hu Akbar" What have you taught to this Muslim army? What knowledge have you taught the Muslim that you also insist on teaching it to non Muslim?
What have you learned from your "Allah Hu Akbar" now that you want to force- teach it to others? Today my people’s fortune has changed. Their armies, who were subjects of Ahuramazada, have now been defeated by the Arab armies of Allah – Akbar". And they are being forced at the point of sword, and are forced to offer him prayers five times a day but now in Arabic; since your "Allah-uAkbar" only understands Arabic. I advise you to return to your lizard infested deserts. Do not loose upon our cities your cruel barbarous Arabs who are lijke rabid animals, Refrain from the murder of my people. Refrain from pillaging my people. Refrain form kidnapping daughters in the name of your Allah-Hu-Akbar". Refrain from these crimes and evils. Wherever we go we sow the seeds of goodness, amity and righteousness. And this is why we have the capacity to overlook the crimes and misdeeds of your Arabs. Stay in your desert with your "Allah hu Akbar" and do not approach our cities; for horrid is your belief and brutish is your conduct.
#23, #25 etc.
Jesus never said kill and make people follow him. NEVER. He never taught it either. As I have said, it was Constantine of the holy Roman Empire who invented Catholicism and this was spread by the sword by the Roman Army. they used the cross of Tammuz in place of Jesus, when Jesus never said the Cross was sacred. Egypt had a cross (ankh). I can understand why Hindu dislike Christians as much as Muslims, but true Christianity never said do it. False prophets wearing sheep's clothing did it. Jesus never had an army. The Bible never said the things these so-called Christians are doing. The dislike of the Bible is unwarranteed. The OT was ONLY for Jews, not Christians. Christianity came in 30 CE not the OT. The rules given by Moses and the Jews were ONLY for them. they never said become a Jew. Grief. Christians are to convert those who wish to become a christian, not if they dont want it. Jesus said shake the dust off your feet and walk away if people dont want to hear the gospel. So if people claiming to be followers of Jesus, are doing the Islamic thing, then they are serving the same god as Muslims serve Satan the Devil, 2 Cor 4:4 and John 8:44. I believe what is in the Bible, not in religion. 42 Jewish men wrote the bible and wrote it down. There were Arabs back then but they served BA"AL the god of fire. Jews were warned to stay away and they didnt and suffered greatly from false idol worship.
ProudChristian, you say Deuteronomy 12:2-4 was only for Jews whom the Biblical jealous God ordered to demolish idols in Palestine. When Missionaries convert "heathens" into Christianity and give copies of OT and NT, why don't they mention that such verses were revealed by a stupid God to Jews and are not meant for subcontinent people? For example, in Jharkhan in India, the Baptist church published Bible in which under Deuteronomy 12:2-4 it said "In the hills of Jharkhand where pagans worship their idols, you should smack all the idols and raze them to ground.". A pious Christian in fact did smash few deities of Hindu temples there. It created havoc in Jharkhand assembly and orders were issued to take back the book. However, the sickular government, headed by Christian Sonia Gandhi, did not take any action. This is just an example. You already know how some devout Christians destroyed the Buddha idols in South Korea. If OT is obsolete, why publish it and create more tension?
Dude, here are some of the standard answers given by Muslims and Christians when asked why Jihadis and Crusaders destroyed hundreds and thousands of pagan temples.
Question: Why Muslims attacked India, Persia, Babylonia, and other places and destroyed temples?
Mohammadens: Our Prophet's said those verses only wrt Kaaba shrine. He didn't order to attack other civilizations.
Question: Why did Portuguese Catholic Christians, under the full guidance of the Pope, destroy hundreds of temples in Goa (in India) and torture Hindus for over 350 yrs in the name of Jesus? What about crusaders' destruction of Greek, Roman, Druid, Celtec, and other pagan temples?
Christians: The verses in the OT were only for Jews. Jesus was a noble man. Our God in OT is only against idol worship… blah blah blah….
I've almost completed an article on the connection between OT and Quran. I am sure Ali Sena will publish it considering the facts mentioned in the article. Muhammad borrowed many ideas from OT.
My conclusion: THE PERSON(S) WHO AUTHORED BOTH OLD TESTAMENT AND QURAN WERE DEVILS.
Wagamama,
If what you said about " the Baptist church publishing the Bible in which under Deuteronomy 12:2-4 it said “In the hills of Jharkhand where pagans worship their idols, you should smack all the idols and raze them to ground” is true, then you got me on that one.
As I've written quite numerously and now I repeat for the last time that although the bible God is completely anti Idol worship and loves everyone to worship him ALONE through Jesus Christ, that does not guarantee to smash down hindu temples. If you have read my response to Proudkafir you would understand that I'm completeley against that sort of missionaries. However the OT is not obsolete and as you may have noticed I read and take it literally waiting for the Holy Spirit to reveal to me the correct interpretation at one given time.
#75. proudchristian Says:
—-However the OT is not obsolete and as you may have noticed I read and take it literally waiting for the Holy Spirit to reveal to me the correct interpretation at one given time.—-
" proudchristian "; I must say you are level headed. My advice ,don't waste time believing the Holy Spirit to reveal some dreams , some fantasy , do some searching on your own.
Fact is Old Testicles your OT is obsolete , whether you like it or not.Ha Ha Ha
Proud Christian,
Whether your God likes or dislikes worshipping Him alone, or through idols, or through nature is immaterial here. I respect your opinion and faith as long as it is not imposed upon me or my culture.
One must use intelligence to understand if something is genuine or not. I shall present two satanic verses from OT wherein God approves killing babies. If you think, they are not obsolete and holy spirits will answer them, then you are seriously in trouble.
•Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, ***their little ones shall be dashed in pieces***, and their ***pregnant women ripped open***. (Hosea 13:16)
•Happy shall they be who **take your little ones and dash them against the rock*** (Psalms 137.9)
You cannot say it is out of context or misunderstood. Champ, take it easy; I feel you are well equipped to handle the verses of OT.
Sarve Sukhino Bhavantu (let everyone live happily)
Vasudeva kutumbhakam (the whole world is a family of God)
I have recently started studying the Bible, but not yet completed. I used to read here and there whenever I have time. What I gather is that Bible is divided into two phases. The old one is for the primitive society, (at the initial stage of the human society) Obviously God does not want to tell the primitive men to love thier enenmies; and the new one for the modern society.In the old one there were given 613 laws; Most of the countries includes much of these biblical laws into their justice system along with Roman Dutch Law.
God chooses one race, the Jewish race and purifies it through wars and sending prophets after prophets in order to send his son Jesus in the Jewish geneology. God does not want his Son born in a polygamuous parents just as Osama, a 44th child. It is true in these Jewish wars many pagans are killed, which looks like that God is unjust and shows partiality towards Jewish race. I do not know.
I have already explained to Wagamama that Hosea 13: 16 is a prophecy, if the people do not listen to God war will come and they shall fall by the sword. Please note the verb SHALL.
Regarding the idol worshiping I would kindly request Wagamama to close his eyes for one minute and to imagine that he is the real God and created this universe, men and women, the mountains and the rivers, apples grapes, pears and all the good things. If some of the people go to a stone, pour milk on it and say "you are my god and you have given me everything" how do you feel about it? The same way Christians feel about people who are worshiping stones.
However I agree with you Wagamama that the Christian pastors or preachers should not encourage their new followers to demolish the deities in India. It is against the spirit of Christianity, because Jesus ask his followers to love and pray for their enemies.
In Australia we encourage Hindus to build their temples. Why OT is essential for Christians, because it contains more than one thousand prophetic references to Jesus Christ and proves his divinity.
Proudkafir unjustly steeriotype that all conversions to Christinity are made for money. I thing he is living in a coma. He has not open his eyes widely and see the world. In my country Australia there are more than 35,000 NGOs are working. They are mostly christian. In your country India more than 50,000 christian NGO are working to make India a better place to live in; building schools, hospitals orphanages, home for the aged etc. Many intellectuals, rich, Brahmins are being attracted to Christianity. Anand Mahadevan is the editor of Outlook Business, Dr. Arun Gadre (Marathi Novelist, Recipient of Twelve Awards and a Medical Doctor),Vishal Mangalwadi (an international lecturer, social reformer, political columnist) These are some of the people I came to Christ not for money. Recently I stumbled with one of the sites where your beautiful actress Nagma gives a powerful testimony. http://www.tcmtube.com/video/Nagma-Testimoney
I diagree the way proudchristian treated 'Peacelover' in an undignified maner, without knowing whether he/she is a Muslim or leftist. I believe this FFI site is essentially for the Musllims to come to know the truth. But all of you are chasing them by swearing at them. It is sad.
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The people professing to be Christians are not so, just members of Christendom, which started under the holy Roman Empire under Constantine. India has wolves in Christian.sheep's clothing. They have no right in destroying Hindu statues and idols. Jesus never did that in Rome, and Rome was filled with idols.
The OT is for JEWS only. and the Torah was the Mosaic Law. OT was the life and lives of JEWS and their fights with the people around them.
If priests are doing this they are only doing what the roman armies did long ago and not from the Bible. The NT had 29 books from Matthew to Revelation. The OT had 39 books from Genesis to Malachi, all about Israelites and Jerusalem. Christianity didnt began until 30 CE in Matthews. Christendom began in 325 CE in Rome with the first pope Constantine as Peter was married and popes dont marry.
Raisin Head, I understand your point that differentiates between Christianity and Christiandom. However, you refer to all Christians that are converted legally or illegally by the same name. You cannot deny one fact: Just like a person suffering from hydrophobia, Christians and their God detest idols deep from their heart. History is the best source to know the truth.
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