Ali Sina is an Evil Agaisnt Truth – I
FFI received the following email from, we think, a good Muslims from Canada:
stop working for ali sina…..he is devils partner……and a negative force against humanity….He has no faith in God OR ANY RELIGION……Evolution theory has consumed his mind and his partner R. Dawkins….Tell him evolution (time) cannot change equation of water H2O….
evolutionary change falls in a limitation of permanent laws….H20….THERE IS SOMETHING TIMELESS IN UNIVERSE…..THAT IS ALMIGHTY GOD…..ETERNAL AND ABSOLUTE
Below is the editor’s response:
Dear Sir, thank you for your email.
We do not work for Ali Sina. We work with him. All of us, including Ali do not get paid. We think of this work as a humane mission to help people see the truth about Islam. That is all. The material we publish is approved by a panel of editors/reviewers. You accuse Ali of being a “devil’s partner, a negative force,..etc” without any evidence or justification. You say “Ali Sina is an Evil against Truth.” Can you please show some valid reasoning to prove your claims. We happen to believe the opposite of what you say, and we have valid reasoning for that; the CHALLENGE. Prove Ali is wrong. Prove that other researchers here are wrong. All you want to do is use your big mouth leveling accusation against our brother. Can you please go to the Challenge on our site and show us the errors of our ways of thinking?
You email also touches upon the concept of divine timelessness (eternality). This concept was detailed best by an infidel, believe it or not, Saint Thomas Aquinas. He was not a Muslim. In fact, he knew Muhammad was a fake prophet who terrorized people. This is why he is considered a “Saint” not a “Mullah” or “Imam”. Maybe Thomas Aquinas knew better than you by avoiding Islam completely. Think about it. Just to give you an idea, Thomas Aquinas thought of his one God as looking from above, to a timeline down below, and seeing the sequence of past, present, and future on a continuous line. For your information, the Oneness of the divine is proclaimed in many religious beliefs. Islam brought nothing new in this regard.
Sir, Islam is the eternal failure. Our job is to make that known to all. Ali, myself, and the other editors, look for the truth in researching the authentic Islamic sources. Any Muslim with a dead brain like yours can say that Ali Sina, or anyone of us for that matter, is “against Truth”. However, the proof is in the pudding. We support our claims with solid evidence from authentic Islamic sources. On the other hand, your calims about Ali Sina and us is a cheap shot that has no evidential backing.
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To the bullxxxx thruth
“The train is moving and the dogs are barking”?.Everybody here knows who is barking at everybody.The dog normally bark at everyone passes in front of their masters house,they want to defend their master.Can you look at yourself and figure what you are doing?hello bro you are running here and there barking at everybody.Why?Feeling insecured?Ali sina is mountain and you are barking at the mountain and you know what..THE MOUNTAIN IS NOT GOING TO COLLAPSE.Keep on barking bro!and louder please.
this guy is a pest!
F U MR CANAD AND REPLY BACK TO THE EDITORS QUESTION IF U THINK FFI IS WRONG F UUUUUUUUUUU.
To SSSS
This is in reply to Comment ID #26465
October 10, 2009 • 9:03 am .
—-You stated ["F U MR CANAD AND REPLY BACK TO THE EDITORS QUESTION IF U THINK FFI IS WRONG F UUUUUUUUUUU."]
++ Another FFI (Facts Fabrications International) supporter who lacks logic and reasoning but knows lots about FU's. Good job Ali Sinner. Your teachings about FU's are sure sinking in. Keep it up!
The Arabs worshiped 360 idols and one of them was allah, a small-time pagan god. The terrorist Mo destroyed 359 idols and finally he smashed allah. Mo "resurrected" and created Allah, replacing the idol with a few pieces of black stones.
At first he gave his so-called divine order to bow towards Jerusalem and in a state of confusion and delusion, Mo commanded his followers to bow towards Mecca after he was rejected by the Jews.
Islamists will demand proof again and the proof is that we humanity will know by the fruits one produces. The fruits produced by Mo are evil, bloodshed and death by bribing the faithfuls with unlimited and perpetual sex. Mo lied and Islam as a political-religion has enslaved Muslims.
EVERYONE !!! ALI SINA IS A LIAR !!! WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT ALL HIS CLAIMS ARE INCORRECT AND HE WANTS TO MISLEAD PEOPLE !! JUST CLICK ON THE LINK –
http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/
Liar Ali Sinner escaped !!
The Truth,
if you are so sure about your truth, why don't you join us in the forums and let us know more about your true religion. http://forum09.faithfreedom.org
If you are a proud muslim, you should join and show us where we are wrong.
If you can answer my questions on islam logically, I will convert to islam and do dawah.
Before I converted to this Islam all the active members of the forum teased me about Islam ! It was a horrible experience to join their forum as they made fun of Islam each time I said something. The forum is disgusting and full of junk postings ! Full of ignorant people with the intention of distorting Islam's picture ! Later on, I researched more about Islam and then got to know Islam better. Its a miserable & ill experience to join faithfreedom's forum.
I love Islam and I hate Ali Sina.
Islam help me to get kicked by my Muslim Hubby and I enjoy that for the sake of Allah and his only horny prophet Mohammad.
I love Islam as my 9years old daughter is going to fetch a lot of money from our Saud Arabian 56years old son-in-law.
I love Islam as my Hubby who is on parole ( for manslaughter, robbery, pedophilia and all-sorts of western discrimination against all proud Muslims) is promised 72 young virgins unlike me in the Islamic heaven.
I love Islam as it help me to hide my ugly face behind veil.
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters lets get together to fight against this vile anti Islamic site FFI and Ali Sina.
I am sure Allah our pimp God will bless you to achieve 72 pure virgins ( if you are a Muslim male pig)in the Islamic whore house Heaven and if you are a Muslimah like me you will be blessed with a lot of Black Hubshi male to entertain you in the Islamic Hell.
We Muslim cretins must fight Ali Sina.
Islam's one single purpose was 'SEX', muhammed changed his strategy in Yathrib and got all ruffians united for 'BOOTY'. The men followed him for raiding caravans, attacking innocent persons and getting 'booty' and sex. Also Islamic paradise is 'harem' with '72 virgins'. The muslim jihadist men is 'promised' unlimited sex with 72 virgins and in paradise, muslim men will have permanent erection and free food. Thus the ultimate goal of muslims is 'SEX'. If muslims are 1.2 billion. 300 million adult muslim men are attached to this ideology of islam due to promised 'SEX' in afterlife, the rest women and children are indoctrinated and fed on fear by these 300 million muslim men.
What a shame and derogatory cult is islam, please dont call islam a religion, its an insult to other faiths.
Also muslims love to quote the number 1.2 billion plus and say they get life out of it. Now few more statistics.
* 1.5 billion people in world cant get 2 square meals a day and live a pathetic and live on poverty. Still they breed and live and get all "all their human and spiritual needs" (Told by 'The Truth' above) by living a life of animals.
* 1.8 billion people cant read or write (illiterate), thus live a miserable life still they get 'all their human and spiritual needs'.
* Also 1% of men in the world do rape. that means 60 million, thus they too get there 'all their human and spiritual needs'.
* If poplutaion of the world is 6.2 billion and muslims 1.2 billion, then 5 billion people follow different customes, religions and way of life and as muslims consider these others 5 billion as 'infidels' and not worthy, then who is right and who is wrong. Thus either these 5 billion infidels are right or muslims are right.
Does muslims consider both as right? If yes , please remove the world infidel and allow freely those apostates to live a decent life even in muslim places like arabia.
* *** Numbers doesnt mean anything. Muslims should know that world population is increasing and farmland, forestland is decreasing, water is not easily available and in next 10 years Oil peak will 100% come and muslims will suffer if they dont 'stablize' there population. Just see yemen which is in civil war,as population is exploding. 7 children per woman (My God), when they are almost lost Oil and water level and farmlands. What will they do? Jihad , ok with whom? now near to yemen is other muslim countries, so enjoy.
Islam is just poverty, war and chaos. saudi arabia is building a mega border management wall, so that these hungry muslim yeminis are not spill over to them. Within 30 years middle east population will double again and resources will decrease, then see.
Muslims seem to hate Dr Ali Sina a lot. LOL He must be doing his job because whatever he is doing is working. He is a hero to 5 billion people.
How come I dont get called "sinner" or something like that? So unfair.
Fatima,
that was funny. Now i can hardly wait to be a Muslim, kill anyone I dont like, have slaves, lots and lots of temporary wives and then get my hands on those beautiful 72 virgins.
Man life is good.
To Fatima
This is in reply to Comment ID #26488
October 10, 2009 • 2:29 pm
—-You stated ["I love Islam and I hate Ali Sina.
Islam help me to get kicked by my Muslim Hubby and I enjoy that for the sake of Allah and his only horny prophet Mohammad. I love Islam as my 9years old daughter is going to fetch a lot of money from our Saud Arabian 56years old son-in-law. I love Islam as my Hubby who is on parole ( for manslaughter, robbery, pedophilia and all-sorts of western discrimination against all proud Muslims) is promised 72 young virgins unlike me in the Islamic heaven. I love Islam as it help me to hide my ugly face behind veil. Dear Muslim brothers and sisters lets get together to fight against this vile anti Islamic site FFI and Ali Sina. I am sure Allah our pimp God will bless you to achieve 72 pure virgins ( if you are a Muslim male pig)in the Islamic whore house Heaven and if you are a Muslimah like me you will be blessed with a lot of Black Hubshi male to entertain you in the Islamic Hell. We Muslim cretins must fight Ali Sina."]
++ You are stating a personal experience about your life. No one is interested in you life story. You statements are of personal nature and don't prove that Islam is evil as you are trying to portrait it. Isolated incidents do happen all over the world. The actions of a few so called Muslims, is not a reflection of the true teachings of Islam. You don't like Islam then leave it. No one is forcing you to be a Muslim. To the contrary, many people such as me have an excellent experience with Islam. A choice between right and wrong must be made. The choice is clear. It will always be Islam.
The Truth:
++ No I am not admitting that your prophet did all that. It is good that kafirs are proud of protecting their daughters and daughters in law from the barbaric Muslims, however, the kafirs daughters and daughters in laws can’t leave these barbaric Moslems alone. They always keep coming back for more Islamic teachings…LOL
I say:
You are very happy to oblige them. We all know you came here to get laid so you must be very happy.
To Charles;
This is in reply to Comment ID #26518
October 10, 2009 • 4:34 pm
—-You stated ["Islam is just poverty, war and chaos."]
++ If there is poverty, war and chaos, in the world today, then it must be because people are not following the teachings of Islam. One can put the blame on anything. The fact is that Colonial powers stole the resources of so many nations around the world and built its power on the expense of these nations.
The Truth did your prophet xxxx a 9yr old girl when he was 60 yrs old?
If yes would you or think anyone should do the same in this day in age? If not why not?
"A Good Canada Muslim" is surely a Muslim. He replicates every act of Mohammad — hating, cursing, fuming, fretting and abusing.
He is angry that no Muslim offers his 6-9 year old daughter as wife. He misses the good old times of Mohammad which will never return. He also misses the goodies Mohammad disbursed among members of his gang. He also misses all the chances to rape non-Muslim women as did Mohammad and his henchmen. Every time he passes urine, he looks down at his member and curses himself for being in a non-Islamic land.
Being a "good Muslim" he can't curse allah or Mohammad. So, what can he do? He looks around, finds internet and silently damns Qur'an for not having a single verse on internet or computer. He searches net and finds FFI and Lo & Behold — here is the "culprit" — Ali Sina. He spews out his venom full steam!
Thus a "good Muslim" [mumeen muslim] just awaits his end.. the ultimate way to get into jannah where 72 virgins await him! The wishful cherry popper.
It is his misfortune that he a Muslim — for Abraham's religions have a linear time scale unlike other cultures that have cyclic time scale.. e.g. Hindus believe time is cyclical. Time returns for Hindus .. no such luck with followers of Abraham's religions.
The Truth [who has contested almos all comments]
is too earthy, he simply starts calling critics as "barking dogs" — obviously he has nothing to say, so he does what he is best at.
Muslims living in UK or USA or West are the really dumb ones. Because, they have been exposed to knowledge and they shut it off — while the Muslims living in Islamic countries did not have that chance.
Mother xxxxxx!! You said Ali Sina is failure! YOU AND YOUR 1.2 BILLION MUSLIMS ARE TOTAL FAILURE!! MOTHERxxxxx!! LIVE IN INFIDEL COUNTRY AND TALK ABOUT FAILURE!! MUSLIMS LINE UP IN FRONT OF INFEDIL EMBASSIES LIKE BEGGERS TO GET A VISA AND TALK ABOUT FAILUE MOTHERxxxxx.YOUR WHOLE ISLAMIC SYSTEM IS A TOTAL FAILURE!! YOUR WHOLE ISLAMIC SYSTEM IS TOTAL FAILURE THAT IS WHY YOU xxxxxxxx IS HERE IN CANADA YOU MOTHERxxxxx! I WOULD LIKE CUT YOUR TOUNGUE AND THROW TO A MAD DOG WHO EVEN DON'T LIKE TO TOUCH IT EVEN.
Editor: Please, let's use a more civil language. Thank you
To Marie
This is a reply to Comment ID #26571
October 10, 2009 • 10:01 pm .
—-You stated [" You are very happy to oblige them. We all know you came here to get laid so you must be very happy."]
++You must be speaking about yourself! Don't feel bad. It is not too late for you to embrace Islam. The door to redemption is always open and Allah, the most merciful, can still forgive you!
The Truth:
++You must be speaking about yourself! Don’t feel bad. It is not too late for you to embrace Islam. The door to redemption is always open and Allah, the most merciful, can still forgive you!
I say:
Huh? You think I am a man? LOL. Screw Allah. I already found something better then Islam.
To Kokamal;
This is in reply to Comment ID #26574
October 10, 2009 • 10:09 pm
—-You stated ["The Truth [who has contested almos all comments]
is too earthy, he simply starts calling critics as “barking dogs” — obviously he has nothing to say, so he does what he is best at. Muslims living in UK or USA or West are the really dumb ones. Because, they have been exposed to knowledge and they shut it off — while the Muslims living in Islamic countries did not have that chance."]
++ "Muslims living in UK or USA or West" have found out that Islam is the true religion. So why change or leave from something called Islam that is perfectly fine and outstanding to something else that is inferior. That would definitely be an illogical and idiotic move.
@ The Truth ill ask again. Do you think it is right to have intercourse with a 9 year old girl? Let alone marry her when you are a man in your mid fifties??
If yes is it ok to do it in present times? If not why not?
The Truth:
++ “Muslims living in UK or USA or West” have found out that Islam is the true religion. So why change or leave from something called Islam that is perfectly fine and outstanding to something else that is inferior. That would definitely be an illogical and idiotic move.
I say:
Islam is superior? Since when does a religion that promotes barbarity, murder, rape, genocide, incest, pedophilia, poverty, illiteracy, and exc. is superior to a belief system where the people live in peace and prosperity.
To Marie
This is in reply to Comment ID #26609
October 11, 2009 • 1:15 am
—-You stated ["Huh? You think I am a man? LOL. Screw Allah. I already found something better then Islam."]
++ Not at all. However, you are so confused. Let me put you mind at ease. Repent to Allah and live happily there after.
++ If you have "found something better then Islam" wouldn't the next logical thing to do is to share your religion, so we can all benefit? May be it is just not there yet.
The Truth:
++ Not at all. However, you are so confused. Let me put you mind at ease. Repent to Allah and live happily there after.
I say:
Bite me
The Truth:
++ If you have “found something better then Islam” wouldn’t the next logical thing to do is to share your religion, so we can all benefit? May be it is just not there yet.
I say:
I'm a Christian and I am proud of it.
To Dagger
This is in reply to Comment ID #26612
October 11, 2009 • 1:23 am
—- You stated ["Do you think it is right to have intercourse with a 9 year old girl? Let alone marry her when you are a man in your mid fifties?? If yes is it ok to do it in present times? If not why not?"]
++ How many times should I say over and over again that the prophet Mohammad did not fit the definition of a Pedophile? Pedophiles are those who commit crimes against children. The Prophet did not commit any crime when he married Aisha. He married her with the approval of her parents.
++ To the contrary, a pedophille is someone like Brian David Mitchell a self-proclaimed prophet, who kiddnaped at knifepoint, Elizabeth Smart and abducted her from her girlhood bedroom, then fled to a secluded mountain campsite, where he raped this 14-year-old child.
++ Every country can define its own criminal behaviors. What might be acceptable in one society might not be acceptable in another. Marijuana is totally illegal in the USA and people are put in jail for smoking it, however, it is perfectly legal in the Netherlands. Hitting a child on the bottom for doing something wrong is considered an abuse in some countries. However, it is perfectly acceptable and called discipline in another country. Drinking beer in the streets in the USA is not allowed and carries a fine. However, that is perfectly fine in Russia and the list goes on and on. Hence, on what criteria, standard and social system we are judging the prophet’s marriage to Aisha as illegal and labeled as a pedophile? The American system, Christian system, Russian system, Secular system, your system, Ali Sinner System, or etc…
++ The definition of a pedophile might be different in the west. However, a pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children and sexually abused or hurt the child.
++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophile has been proven wrong.
++ In addition, there are some people out there who use and justify the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha for their own sexual desires and they end up raping or hurting the child. Those are called Pedophiles. To the contrary, one can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the Prophet marriage to Aisha but Allah. There might be some compelling reasons that no one knows about. However, all the current evidence point to the fact that the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha done no harm to her mentally, physically or anything else. May be it is just another miracle!
To Marie;
This is in reply to Comment ID #26618
October 11, 2009 • 1:30 am I say:
—-You stated ["Bite me. I’m a Christian and I am proud of it."]
++ You must be sexually desperate to use such a foul language. May Allah forgive you and show you the right path.
HI proudkafir,
You are not live with Prophet Mohammad, you did nt see him, you did hear his voice, you are not live in his time then how you can tell that he did sin… All are your telling as per your knowledge from History books which written or reported by Islamic enemies….. History will tell different report in one matter bcz it created by human…you can’t sure it true or false…
You may please understand that You are not eligible person to tell A MAN WHO LIVES 1500 YEARS AGO IN ARABIA IS CONVICTED OR RAPIST…. IF YOU STILL TELLING THAT YOU ARE A SINNER BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING FALSE STATEMENT AGAINST A INNOCENT MAN..NO RELIGION WILL ALLOW TO BLAME A PERSON WITHOUT EVIDENCE.
ANALYZE YOUR RELIGION IS BETTER THAN BLAMING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS RELIGION
What amazes me is that people believe in this thug mohammad, illiterate bedouin, rapistas prophet and he would have had the brains to calculate the fractions. Its mind boggling stupidity of moslems that worries me.All it requires is a crazy kafir to hand over nukes to moslems and they will nuke the world in no time.
Filth, Piss, pus, puke and crap be upon mohammad and allah the pimp. The rapist the thug child molester mohammad rot in hell.
Hi to all,
were you there on Pedo MO's first night with Child Aisha?. Why I am asking this is . You seem to know very well about Pedo's actions. Please let us Know about Rapist MO.
We have a guy here who lived with Pedo Mo and seen Pedo Mo's all actions. His nick name is Rena.. It is a miracle in deed . This guy is aged 1700 yrs old. Mr. Reno , Please tell me ,
Rena:
You may please understand that You are not eligible person to tell A MAN WHO LIVES 1500 YEARS AGO IN ARABIA IS CONVICTED OR RAPIST…. IF YOU STILL TELLING THAT YOU ARE A SINNER BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING FALSE STATEMENT AGAINST A INNOCENT MAN..NO RELIGION WILL ALLOW TO BLAME A PERSON WITHOUT EVIDENCE.
I say:
So I guess the Quran, Hadith, and the Tafsirs are not evidence that would convict Muhammed of rape, even though they state he slept with Safiya hours after killing all her male relatives and husband ( what kind of woman would willingly sleep with a man who killed members of her family and husband? ). What kind of man would marry a 6 year old girl and then have sex with her when she turned 9? A pedophile would marry a child and have sex with them.
Rena, you don't understand. ProudKafir would never say these things if it were not the Muslims themselves who first came to other people, telling them fantasy stories about Mohammed and Allah, then saying: Look, all this is true, Mohammed was the greatest man who ever lived, and Allah wants us to live like he told mankind. And you better believe what we tell you, or else we fight you, subdue you.
Now, why would the rest of mankind want to believe this, let alone to submit to this??? Out of free will??? ProudKafir is only always protesting against the shoving down the throath of mankind of these unproven claims of Mohammed and Muslims.
If Republicans would put up president Bush so high as the best model for mankind for all time, as Muslims put Mohammed up, many would probably say the same things about Bush as ProudKafir says about Mohammed.
The things I have noticed is that The Truth and every other moslem here can not fully answer the questions that were given. That have to use the same method that xtians use to try to prove that jesus was an actual person. Or jews use to try to prove that they are the chosen people when in fact over 85% of them have no connection or rights to the land that they now claim.
Hi brothers,
I thinks, you people are thinking more about my comments, thanks for that.
I did nt tell any miraculous / unbelievable matters like mr.proudkafir. so I dont want a good title like "I am 1700 yrs old".
Let God of Jews ,Muslims , Christians and Hindus will forgive you brothers for blaming your brother's religion and its prophets.
Prophet Mohammed taught muslims that should pray to God not to him, we muslims are not show him as God, he is only messenger, Please dont blame him.
Hi mary,, you may please understand quran never tells that God's Prophets done any wrong things. if you want to know truth you may please read quran,
Muslims know that some hadiths are written by Islamic enemies, so we dont want to take that if it is against the quran. I dont want to prove you that our prophet married six year old girl bcz I know itz a matter which nt happend. and About Safiya, my request please learn true story, truth may hide your enemies place also so you may go to / meet any Islamic scholars to learn about the Prophet.
Once again tell u that plz learn about Islam. Islam is the Religion of Peace.
Please dont learn a religion from believer who belongs to the religion in this time. bcz you never get from him a Christianity or Judaism or Islam.
>>ANALYZE YOUR RELIGION IS BETTER THAN BLAMING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS RELIGION<<
I am not using any bad words against your believes so I hope your reply also will like that..
There is only one thing I can say to the Muslim from Canada.
What the F are you saying? We dont understand the language your pedophile spoke.
To The good atheist
This is in reply to Comment ID #26428
October 10, 2009 • 5:47 am
You stated ["What the F are you saying? We dont understand the language your pedophile spoke."]
++ He is saying that Ali Sinner and his followers are doomed. He and his followers will end up in the trash basket!
++ An American proverb says “The train is moving and the dogs are barking”. Keep on barking. That might do you a lot of good.
It is funny how Islamic People think to have invented God and have the Copyrights on It! Islam is following that Criminal of Muhammad, whose God AlLah is certainly not the Almighty God (or Logos – Whichevery you want to call it) known in spiritual Traditions all over the World since the Beginning of the Times. At the Bottom of this Page you've an Example about Muhammad's Words on AlLah's Word: http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/mode… . Since its very Beginning Islam is killing, looting, oppressing, raping, practicing Misogyny and Pedo"philia", tricking Others, invading, practicing Slavery and committing Genocides: where should be a God or Logos (Intelligence) in all of that? There is just one Thing understandable, about Islam, by observing it, and reading its Sources and aknowledging its main Headquarters and what's produced there (Saudi Mecca and Egytpian AlAzhar): that Islam is SPRITITUALITYLESS and INTELLIGENCELESS. No God there at all. Islam self looks more like a Mafious Clan than a religious Community – well, already calling Islam a Religion is a Sort of Oxymoron, considering that Religion should be filled with Spirituality and Islam is definitely not -. Not to forget that Mafious System in Southern Italy has been brought there by Islamic Moors …. Thank you Ali Sina for your Job and your Effort in deeply enlightening People about the Truth of the Falsehood of Islam. Light and Love.
Few simple questions to the moslem. Do you share with your son, his wife, just like your propeht did?
Do you have a daughter 6 yeard old ready for sex? with a 56 year old?Just like your prophet?
Do you hop on to the maid your right hand possession? Just like prophet did?
To Persia
This is in reply to Comment ID #26438
October 10, 2009 • 6:53 am
—- You stated ["Since its very Beginning Islam is killing, looting, oppressing, raping, practicing Misogyny and Pedo”philia”, tricking Others, invading, practicing Slavery and committing Genocides: where should be a God or Logos (Intelligence) in all of that? There is just one Thing understandable, about Islam, by observing it, and reading its Sources and aknowledging its main Headquarters and what’s produced there (Saudi Mecca and Egytpian AlAzhar): that Islam is SPRITITUALITYLESS and INTELLIGENCELESS"]
++The description you have mentioned is not what 1.25 billion people see in Islam. They see in Islam a religion that satisfies all their human and spiritual needs. Many people search for the truth. They want the truth and nothing but the truth. They look around, they debate, and they ask more questions. However, they always come back and they make the right choice. That choice is Islam.
To proudkafir
This is in reply to Comment ID #26440
October 10, 2009 • 6:56 am .
—-You stated ["Few simple questions to the moslem. Do you share with your son, his wife, just like your propeht did?
Do you have a daughter 6 yeard old ready for sex? with a 56 year old?Just like your prophet?
Do you hop on to the maid your right hand possession? Just like prophet did?"]
++ Are you always funny like that? I hope so. If you ever want to come to the USA, I might be able to get you a job as a comedian in a night club. A lot of people will find you entertaining!
SO you are admitting that your prophet did all that? why does it not surprise me at all?Simple We are dealing with moslems! AH that explains every anomaly and evry infraction.We the kafirs are proud of protecting our daughters and daughters in law from the barbaric moslems.
To proudkafir
This is in reply to Comment ID #26454
October 10, 2009 • 8:05 am .
—-You stated [SO you are admitting that your prophet did all that? why does it not surprise me at all?Simple We are dealing with moslems! AH that explains every anomaly and evry infraction.We the kafirs are proud of protecting our daughters and daughters in law from the barbaric moslems.]
++ No I am not admitting that your prophet did all that. It is good that kafirs are proud of protecting their daughters and daughters in law from the barbaric Muslims, however, the kafirs daughters and daughters in laws can't leave these barbaric Moslems alone. They always keep coming back for more Islamic teachings…LOL
"Islamic religion of oneness…"
How can Islam be a religion of oneness,when when your greatest enemies are fellow human beings with different beliefs.Unbelievers,infidels,kafirs,pagans,etc. are all people that the Qur'an teaches you to fight against & not to befriend.Do you even understand the true meaning of 'oneness'?
Claiming to worship one god does not make your religion true.Satanists worship one satan,does that make their faith less evil?
Also..
You said " Ali Sina (Eternal Failure) & you claim Allah is Eternal & Absolute.You also say time is an illusion and the Universe is timeless,therefore Eternal.
So in conclusion…Ali Sina,Allah & the Universe is Eternal.Wow,the Holy Trinity is complete.
To Marie
This is in reply to Comment ID #26613
October 11, 2009 • 1:25 am .The Truth:
—-You stated ["Islam is superior? Since when does a religion that promotes barbarity, murder, rape, genocide, incest, pedophilia, poverty, illiteracy, and exc. is superior to a belief system where the people live in peace and prosperity."]
++ Islam never promoted "barbarity, murder, rape, genocide, incest, pedophilia, poverty, illiteracy, and exc". It is a smear campaign against Islam to distort its beautiful picture. To the contrary, you are mistaken Islam for FFI (Facts Fabrication International) whom promotes such activities.
The Truth:
++ You must be sexually desperate to use such a foul language. May Allah forgive you and show you the right path.
I say:
This is coming from someone who imitates a pedophile, rapist, and sexual pervert.
The Truth:
++ Islam never promoted “barbarity, murder, rape, genocide, incest, pedophilia, poverty, illiteracy, and exc”. It is a smear campaign against Islam to distort its beautiful picture. To the contrary, you are mistaken Islam for FFI (Facts Fabrication International) whom promotes such activities.
I say:
I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE WRONG!
Correction, I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!
To Marie
THis is in reply to Comment ID #26636
October 11, 2009 • 2:28 am
—-You stated ["I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!"]
++ You and FFI (Facts Fabrications International) have already proven wrong about your assumptions. There are million of truthful websites on the nternet that discuss Islam. Go ahead and read. You will find the proof for yourself.
The Truth:
++ You and FFI (Facts Fabrications International) have already proven wrong about your assumptions. There are million of truthful websites on the nternet that discuss Islam. Go ahead and read. You will find the proof for yourself.
I say:
Until you can actually prove me wrong yourself my challenge still stands.
Challenge to Twisted Truth:
Truth, here is a challenge, I challenge you to answer these questions with a yes or no. Got the guts? Then read on.
1. Should all Islamic countries ban old men having sex with girls below 10?
2. Does a man in his 50's having sex with a 9 year old meet your moral standards?
3. Should all Islamic countries ban stoning a woman to death for any reason?
4. Does stoning a woman to death meet your moral standards?
5. Should all Islamic countries ban temporary marriages?
6. Does temporary marriages meet your moral standards?
I dont believe you have the guts to give me a yes or no answer to the above questions. Prove me wrong.
Everyone,
If this so called "Truth" refuses to take on the challenge to answer these questions can we call him a LIAR?
I dont believe he can answer the questions.
I just dont.
To The good atheist
This is in reply to Comment ID #26654
October 11, 2009 • 3:52 am
You stated [" Challenge to Twisted Truth:
Truth, here is a challenge, I challenge you to answer these questions with a yes or no. Got the guts? Then read on.
1. Should all Islamic countries ban old men having sex with girls below 10?
2. Does a man in his 50’s having sex with a 9 year old meet your moral standards?
3. Should all Islamic countries ban stoning a woman to death for any reason?
4. Does stoning a woman to death meet your moral standards?
5. Should all Islamic countries ban temporary marriage
6. Does temporary marriages meet your moral standards?
I dont believe you have the guts to give me a yes or no answer to the above questions. Prove me wrong."]
++ You need to understand that we are here talking about the marriage of prophet Mohamed to Aisha. You and others think that he is a pedophile and he is not a messenger from Allah. I disagree with your assesment.
++ One can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the Prophet marriage to Aisha but Allah. There might be some compelling reasons that no one knows about. However, all the current evidence point to the fact that the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha done no harm to her mentally, physically or anything else. May be it is just another miracle!
++ Before answering your questions with a "yes" or "no", you need to be very specific. For example, in the first question "Should all Islamic countries ban old men having sex with girls below 10?" you need to provide the following:
01. How you define an Islamic Country?
02. Who are these old men? Are they pedophiles? Are they Prophets? Or what else?
03. Are there any compelling circumstances?
04. How do you define sex? Is it intercourse, pure spiritual love or what?
05. Is marriage involved?
06. How about parents involvement?
07. The health of the child?
08. The welfare being of the child?
09. Positive and negative effects of such action on the child?
10 Is it a matter of life or death?
Similary for the other questions.
The Truth, #26666
Islam and Allah were invented by primitive,ignorant,cowardly, sexual predators in order to enslave other people, particularly women,there is no "Allah",there never was an "Allah". Any ideology that treats women as inferior to men and as possessions is an abomination to civilised people. Islam, like other barbarous beliefs will fade away in the light of Western civilisation.
To Rocky
This is in reply to Comment ID #26671
October 11, 2009 • 6:46 am .The Truth, #26666
—-You stated ["Islam and Allah were invented by primitive,ignorant,cowardly, sexual predators in order to enslave other people, particularly women,there is no “Allah”,there never was an “Allah”. Any ideology that treats women as inferior to men and as possessions is an abomination to civilised people. Islam, like other barbarous beliefs will fade away in the light of Western civilisation."]
++ Then why it is taking you so long to achieve the destruction of Islam? It must be the collapse of the economy and the lack of money needed. Another tragedy of the Western civilizations. Don’t be a fool. Wake up and smell the coffee.
To The Truth, #26674
One of the delusions many Moslems seem to share is that the West has been trying to destroy Islam,in fact for the past 300 years Islamic nations have been irrelevant to the West,when the oil runs out, or a substitute is found, Moslem countries will again be ignored. Despite all the rhetoric, only a fraction of the West's capacity is directed against Islam, the Moslem world is not really considered a credible threat.,that's why there are sites like this one,to change people's minds. If you think the advanced democracies are really trying to destroy Islam you are sadly mistaken,pray that they are not given a reason to take action ,such as a terror attack with nuclear weapons. The West has buried Communism and destroyed the Japanese warlords ,these were a hundred times more dangerous than backward Islamic nations, which are basically parasites on our civilisation.
To:
The Truth
Comment ID #26610
October 11, 2009 • 1:18 am
You skipped the entire comment and wrote —-
++ “Muslims living in UK or USA or West” have found out that Islam is the true religion. So why change or leave from something called Islam that is perfectly fine and outstanding to something else that is inferior. That would definitely be an illogical and idiotic move.
—- which makes you a poor advocate of Islam. You have made unsubstantiated assertions of your beliefs without an iota of being honest to those very beliefs. Any moron can say what you've posted.
I bet you've no idea whatever about other religions, cultures, civilizations and people — just like Mohammad and his alter ego allah [small a intended] who knew nothing of the world beyond Arabia of those days.
FFI is an open forum. Haters too use FFI, but largely, FFI caters to debates and discussions that are anti-Islam as it addresses Muslims to SEE Islam instead of BELIEVING Islam.
But, You are a cherry-picker; and a wishful cherry-popper besides being a reactionary and abuser.
You wouldn't know!
To BlackPanther
This is in reply to Comment ID #26597
October 11, 2009 • 12:22 am .
—-You stated ["Mother xxxxxx!! You said Ali Sina is failure! YOU AND YOUR 1.2 BILLION MUSLIMS ARE TOTAL FAILURE!! MOTHERxxxxx!! LIVE IN INFIDEL COUNTRY AND TALK ABOUT FAILURE!! MUSLIMS LINE UP IN FRONT OF INFEDIL EMBASSIES LIKE BEGGERS TO GET A VISA AND TALK ABOUT FAILUE MOTHERxxxxx.YOUR WHOLE ISLAMIC SYSTEM IS A TOTAL FAILURE!! YOUR WHOLE ISLAMIC SYSTEM IS TOTAL FAILURE THAT IS WHY YOU xxxxxxxx IS HERE IN CANADA YOU MOTHERxxxxx! I WOULD LIKE CUT YOUR TOUNGUE AND THROW TO A MAD DOG WHO EVEN DON’T LIKE TO TOUCH IT EVEN."]
++ Another supporter of Ali Sinner with outstanding “Mother xxxxxx" skills. Very impressive!
To Kokamal
This is in reply to Comment ID #26684
October 11, 2009 • 8:43 am
You stated ["which makes you a poor advocate of Islam. You have made unsubstantiated assertions of your beliefs without an iota of being honest to those very beliefs. Any moron can say what you’ve posted. I bet you’ve no idea whatever about other religions, cultures, civilizations and people — just like Mohammad and his alter ego allah [small a intended] who knew nothing of the world beyond Arabia of those days. FFI is an open forum. Haters too use FFI, but largely, FFI caters to debates and discussions that are anti-Islam as it addresses Muslims to SEE Islam instead of BELIEVING Islam. But, You are a cherry-picker; and a wishful cherry-popper besides being a reactionary and abuser. You wouldn’t know!']
++ You are stating your personal opinion. Your statements are of personal nature. Believe what you want to believe. That is up-to-you. However, a choice between right and wrong must be made. The choice is clear. It will always be Islam.
You are a BELIEVER — not me!
If you are not a believer, give proof of allah as an existent.
To: The Truth; This is in reply to your comment ID #26572
You stated:
++ If there is poverty, war and chaos, in the world today, then it must be because people are not following the teachings of Islam. One can put the blame on anything”.
Me; Maybe indeed many or most Muslims are NOT following the teaching of Islam. And thus Islam in 1400 was simply very ineffective, useless. Not much good in STOPPING any atrocious, detrimental, lazy behavior in its followers. In this respect it must be compared with the effects, be they detrimental or beneficial, of the other religions, or ways to organize life or society. The burden of proof is on Islam to prove its claim to be more beneficial to mankind than the other religions were and are. No burden of proof is on the other religions in this respect because they already relinquished all power, not derived from democracy. But Islam still arrogantly claims and holds on to unjustified disproportionally extra power in Islamic countries, even where the government is not Islamic itself.
If Allah exists, why does he not see this gross failure in effect of Islam to stop atrocious, detrimental behavior in its own followers? Does he not see that the texts he sent to earth are woefully shortcoming? Way too vaque for humans to unequivocally understand them, let alone practice them?
Can we followers of other beliefs please be shown examples where Islam indeed IS working? Do such places exist? Do they show beyond reasonable doubt that Islam works better than any manmade system works? The burden of proof for this is on the Muslims. If they can’t provide this proof of superior effects of Islam, they should loudly and unequivocally submit to 51 % rule, everywhere, eventually. I think by now Islam has had its chance and failed to perform any better than the average manmade system.
Is Allahs excuse going to be that the followers of other beliefs foiled his plans by exploiting the Muslims? But what good is Allah’s advice if the Muslims were or are not even able to defend themselves against that?
Remember, TU QUOQUE-reasoning and culture-relativism can not help you any more. If we can prove Islam holds more power than it would have when the world was democratic worldwide, then Muslims must prove this extra power is justified. They then must prove to have the better WORKING system or else give up the EXTRA power everywhere.
As a corollary to my post 26703.
If Muslims fail to provide evidence that is acceptable and accepted by say 51 % of the 5 billion followers of other beliefs or ways of organizing life an society, then they can fall back on:
InchAllah, we don't know, all we know is that Islam is the truth, and that THIS is what Allah wants. And his ways are mysterious, so this must be somehow, without us humans seeing it, the best for mankind.
Now, when Muslims are in THAT stage, then it becomes very relevant to the followers of other ways of life to counter the extraordinary claims of Muslims, for which Muslims have the burden of proof. And when Islam-critics and Science have given their counter-claims to Islam's claims, with their evidence and logic, every adult, sensible human can compare the 2 and choose.
And be led by the desire for truth above all else, and then by the desire for optimal human happiness. And NOT by what papa and mama Muslim and the nice Mullah, and everybody in the Islamic community is saying and demanding.
It least that is the OPINION of many of us.
To the Truth, in regard to post 26645
You: ++ You and FFI (Facts Fabrications International) have already proven wrong about your assumptions. There are million of truthful websites on the nternet that discuss Islam. Go ahead and read. You will find the proof for yourself.
Me: In our opinion;
I. Islam has the burden of proof for its extraordinary claims, including Miracles in Quran, and Islam is also under burden of proof for their claim and holding on to the extra power Muslims hold that they would not have under worldwide democracy.
II. There are now many counter-claims to Islam, from Islam-critics and Science, worldwide available and constantly getting fine-tuned. In part thanks to reacting Muslims like you. Did you read here that Sokratiz Zen, a Muslim, asserted that in actuality you were one of Ali Sina’s agents?
III. Now Muslims can diminish the counter-claims with their own evidence & logic. OK. But it is enough for Islam to have failed and be proven false when even one of those counter-claims are proven beyond doubt, because that would shatter Islam’s perfection-claim for Muhammad and Quran.
IV. If Muslims come up with the accusations of mean, secret motivations of Islam-critics they only add to their burden of proof. Same with accusations of fabrication of facts (like you with Facts Fabrication International).
I am sure the proof presented on Islamic websites will get to our knowledge in the end. Many of us are reading these websites or hearing about their proof here from Muslims.
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/sciencehistory….
Truth about Lies:
"01. How you define an Islamic Country?
02. Who are these old men? Are they pedophiles? Are they Prophets? Or what else?
03. Are there any compelling circumstances?
04. How do you define sex? Is it intercourse, pure spiritual love or what?
05. Is marriage involved?
06. How about parents involvement?
07. The health of the child?
08. The welfare being of the child?
09. Positive and negative effects of such action on the child?
10 Is it a matter of life or death?
Similary for the other questions."
Sorry Truth you could not answer even one question honestly. You get an F.
Here is something you will be proud of:
Wife, 10, returned to husband, 80
Truth
Allah is the greatest deceiver, liar, schemer sura 3:54. Now call allah a liar looooooooooool
@ The Truth
You inadvertendly confirmed that your prophet is a pedophile –
In you words – ,++ A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children. ++
Mohammad aged 61 had sex with Aisha aged 9. Now i'm no brian surgoen but when a man has sex with someone it kinda means that are sexually attracted to them. Hence your own defination renders him a pedophile.!!!
You also say –
++ One can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the marraige++
Why not? Even if Aisha was a grown woman he already had 10 other wives and several bits on the side why did he need more? Even J.R Ewing would be shaking his head.
Ask yourself rationally. If he was the messeneger of Allah is he not meant to set the example for man to follow? If Islam is the truth then there is no reason why no man in his mid fifties can marry a girl aged 6 and sleep with her pre pubescently.
This is in reply to The good atheist, Comment ID #26794, and Raisin Head, Comment ID #26811:
++ Do yourself a favor, go back to school. You are in desperate need of an education. Try to get a degree in logic or math. No wonder why Ali Sinner and FFI (Facts Fabrication International) is happy to have such simple minded people as yourselves. It must be the lack of logic within each of you.
To Dagger
This is in reply to Comment ID #26833
October 11, 2009 • 11:43 pm
—-You stated ["You inadvertendly confirmed that your prophet is a pedophile. In you words – A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children."]
++ Incorrect. A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children and sexually abused or hurt the child.
++ A pedophille is someone like Brian David Mitchell a self-proclaimed prophet, who kiddnaped at knifepoint, Elizabeth Smart and abducted her from her girlhood bedroom, then fled to a secluded mountain campsite, where he raped this 14-year-old child.
++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophile has been proven wrong.
Heard that Mohi (Puke be upon him) has accepted all his sins in the hell.. and now will be moved on to next punishment in hell.. but truth is far fighting for him. Keep it up.
To the truth:
So Islam is your truth. Terrible choice, if I may say so. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind helping me out with a question I have.
It is a puzzle to me, Bukhari LXll, 25 You see Islam permits and encourages the rape of small boys. They write that it is fun and only man play. For instance, the Afhgans have their Thursday Night Man Love as a common occurance. This is done in the open. No one bothers to hide it. Even the taliban join in for a little love rape with young boys.
My question is this: while it is not forbidden to rape a young boy, it is forbidden to marry the mother of the child who he raped. I can not imagine a mother who would actually want to marry her son's rapist.
Could you tell me why the forbidden is only in not marrying the mother and not forbidden to rape the child?
I live in Indonesia where the majority is moslem…and I can tell you all that this religion really brought our country into a terrible civilization……sigh….
Everyone !!
Ali Sina has a new website. He wants you all to visit the link :
http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.ht…
Regards =)
because Ali Sina wants to be known as a FAMOUS LIAR.
Until 2008, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints practiced child marriage through the concept 'spiritual (religious only) marriages,' as soon as girls are ready to bear children, as part of its polygamy practice and laws have raised the age of legal marriage in response to criticism of the practice.[citation needed] In 2008, the Church changed its policy in the United States to no longer marry individuals younger than the local legal age.
To All;
++ Proving Islam is wrong is like proving mathematics is wrong.
++ Some people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate mathematics and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science.
Similarly,
++ Some people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate Islam and they curse at it. However, that does not make Islam a false religion.
++ On the other hand, Muslims do accept Islam as their religion because they know it is a true religion. They understand its logic as much as any mathematician understands the logic and theorems of mathematics.
++ Some might say, we can apply the above argument to other religions as well. That is true I say. However, unlike the Quran, the Bible and the Torah have been altered. Hence, that makes them unreliable for any logical person to choose them as a religion.
plain talk
Comment ID #26886
October 12, 2009 • 6:20 am
I tend to believe that everything that happens in an Islamic country without serious censure from the authorities is permitted in I had read about the disgusting phenomenon of 'Thursday Night Man Love" in the mainstream media & since the imams of the land lead no mobs to punish the perps – it seems likely to be tolerated. I understand that when Abdul Rehman converted to Christianity – the entire nation lined up to demand Islamic punishment be meted out.
So while I can believe what you claim – help me navigate through the Hadith. You quote Bukhari XLII – 25. Is that the same as Volume 7, Book 62, Number 25: in http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagemen…? It doesn't seem to be the correct passage. Is there a numbering discrepancy in different collections??
Dear Truth,
I have read most of your comments on this forum. I can see that you do speak the truth – truth as seen through the moral lens of Islam.
Your response:
"You stated ["You inadvertendly confirmed that your prophet is a pedophile. In you words – A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children."]
++ Incorrect. A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children and sexually abused or hurt the child."
@ @ @
So – IslamicTruth – the key is that you must not hurt the child or children but otherwise sexual relations are OK? And will your imam be the one who decides when 'hurt' has occurred?
In any sane country (IE non muslim) any sexual relation between an adult & a child is illegal, immoral and 100% wrong.
You replied:
++ A pedophille is someone like Brian David Mitchell a self-proclaimed prophet, who kiddnaped at knifepoint, Elizabeth Smart and abducted her from her girlhood bedroom, then fled to a secluded mountain campsite, where he raped this 14-year-old child.
++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophile has been proven wrong.
@ @ @
I admit that you are an expert in self proclaimed prophets as Mo is the most successful one ever but again your logic falls short of convincing anyone other than fellow brainwashed believers. How do you know that sexual abuse did not occur? Were you there? Your hadith tell us that Mo beat his beloved Aisha –
Muslim Book 4, Number 2127
"He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?
If this abuse occurred at the hands of the perfect example for mankind – what else happened in the privacy of the tent? There your perfect example for mankind caused Aisha harm (why would Mo visit a graveyard at night anyway)? . I know, I know – this is good & justifiable behavior – I hope that you experience it soon (the receiving end of the lesson).
Since Mo wrote the rules, marrying Aisha 'legally' is nonsensical. He could make his marriage to Aisha legal just as he made marrying daughter in law Zainab legal though this had been illegal until Mo enlightened us all.
How many children did Aisha have? It is likely that she had no children as a direct consequence of having sex with grandfatherly Mo at far too young an age.
I trust that you are looking for a suitable mate for your six year old daughter now. There must be some elderly mullah in the market for now. Such a union with a pious man would surely be a great honour to you.
To henrikus
This is in reply to Comment ID #27023
October 12, 2009 • 2:29 pm
++ Some people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate mathematics and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science. Similarly,
++ Some people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate Islam and they curse at it. However, that does not make Islam a false religion.
++ Dear henrikus, you are one of those people who will never be able to understand neither logic nor mathematics. It would not be a surprise that you don't understand Islam.
++ I will not go in circles with you. Just study logic and come back.
Truth
We speak of Islam not Mathematics so your logic is breathtakingly devoid of reason. But if you wish to consider logic & mathematics to validate Islam consider this:
1. The Koran has been revealed to mankind through Mohammed and is the literal word of Allah. – True of False?
2. Allah is all knowing and has created everything in heaven & earth. – True or False?
3. Allah's math for inheritance laws in Koran 4 11 & 4.12 is correct True of False?
Koran 4-11 & 4 -12 reads as follows:
Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.
In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagemen…
Using the very words of Allah in the case that a man dies and leaves 2 daughters, his wife and his parents behind we see that Allah prescribes that the survivors should receive:
His daughter receive 2/3 of his possessions (Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance) – if only daughters, two or more their share is 2/3 of the inheritance)
His parents receive 1/6th each ( For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each)
And his wife receives 1/8th (In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth)
This totals more than the man's possession (2/3 + 1/6 +1/6 + 1/8 = 1 1/8)
Statements 1 and/or 2 cannot be true if Allah's math is wrong. Strange that the all knowing who has created everything and even the most complex things in life cannot add fractions.
Don't let logic get in the way of islamic truth.
Hi,
Please treat Muslims are your brothers, Please dont hate muslims, Please dont use your tongue / hand for destroying a societies only by their believes. If any Muslims/ societies are doing bad then ..follow the methods applied by the world Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi / Martin L.King .. If this site is for Muslims, you may please learn about their believes….about the peace in their religion.
I can't see my brothers as my enemies who believes in different religion. No body can stop Islam from prevailing itz believes in the world. Use the good things about your religion to increase your believers through this site. Muslim giving respect to their Prophet Mohmmed (pbh) and his wives and his relatives and his sahabaths, if you are using bad words about them then your muslim brother will feel bad and become your enemy. Muslim will not hate holy mens in Jews / Christian / Hindus or other religions because Quran teach us that dont hate the society as per their believes.
Nobody can justice your work with using bad words against leaders of one religion, you may analyze advantage and dis advantage of the religion.
Hi Rena,
We dont hate Muslims or else we would never have Muslim friends. We hate Islam, we hate the shariah laws, and we hate those who abuse human rights. I would hate any religion that practices the kind of stuff preached by the shariah laws. You should hate it too.
Thanks
Rena:
Please treat Muslims are your brothers, Please dont hate muslims, Please dont use your tongue / hand for destroying a societies only by their believes. If any Muslims/ societies are doing bad then ..follow the methods applied by the world Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi / Martin L.King .. If this site is for Muslims, you may please learn about their believes….about the peace in their religion.
I say:
If nonmuslims used the methods of Gandhi/Martin L. King the violent Muslims would wipe us out.
To henrikus
This is in reply to Comment ID #27048
October 12, 2009 • 3:57 pm .Truth
You stated [" Koran 4-11 & 4 -12 reads as follows:
Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases (’s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.
In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing. http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagemen...
Using the very words of Allah in the case that a man dies and leaves 2 daughters, his wife and his parents behind we see that Allah prescribes that the survivors should receive:
His daughter receive 2/3 of his possessions (Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance) – if only daughters, two or more their share is 2/3 of the inheritance)
His parents receive 1/6th each ( For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each)
And his wife receives 1/8th (In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth)
This totals more than the man’s possession (2/3 + 1/6 +1/6 + 1/8 = 1 1/8)
Statements 1 and/or 2 cannot be true if Allah’s math is wrong. Strange that the all knowing who has created everything and even the most complex things in life cannot add fractions.
Don’t let logic get in the way of islamic truth."]
You are wrong as evidenced below.
++ The quran says in 4.11 "if only (Nisaa) that means women." and not "if only daughters" as you stated. Hence, according to the Quran, 4:11, the wife and the daughters (who are the primary inheritors of a man) will get 2/3 of his estate and the parents will get 1/3 and this adds up to a perfect ONE.
++ That is 2/3 + 1/6 +1/6 = 2/3+2/6 = 2/3+1/3 = 3/3 = 1
++ Also, 4:12 details that the wife will get 1/8 of the estate but this is not a separate portion of the total of 2/3 that all the females will inherit from the man's estate in case a man dies leaving behind more than two female inheritors.
++ There is no contradiction here and the numbers do add PERFECTLY.
++ Like I said before, Some people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate Islam and they curse at it. However, that does not make Islam a false religion.
++ Also the link you have provided above does not work. Do yourself a favor and stop Fabricating the facts!
Hello again Truth,
The link I left in my earlier contribution was missing two letters at the end of the web address – try this:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagemen…
As for your contention that Koran 4 -11 is meant to include all females – daughters and wives, you should alert the Muslim Students Association at the University of Southern California. The three dumb asses who provided them with English translations all say that the 2/3 portion is the children's inheritance.
YUSUFALI: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance
PICKTHAL: Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance,
SHAKIR: Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left.
But I do like your theory that all the 'women' get all lumped together and they share in 2/3 of the inheritance. Of this 2/3, 1/8 is for the wife leaving a nice round fraction of 13/24 for the daughters to share. I can see them looking over the goats and camels with a puzzled look : )
I look forward to reading your translation of the Koran soon. In the meantime, thank you for your explanation – not only does this show the 'truth' of islam but the gender 'equality' as well ( to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females).
All this stuff is post 9/11 syndrome, no matter who did it , why did it? no one thinks about it…
but afterall muslims are to be blamed….pre 9/11 it wasnt muslims atall..
was hitler a muslim, or the one who bombed japan were they muslims……….compartively muslims rise to the occassion when they are being harmed and take up arms and others had done initiatively to harm rest of the world….
Taj,
Muslims could not harm the rest of the world in the era of Hitler & Imperial Japan. It's not that those guided by Islam were peaceful, tolerant peoples but rather helpless & hopeless technically challenged societies. Turkey earlier joined in World War I and its Caliphate was lost as a consequence.
It is far more illuminating to see the impact of technology on Islam by seeing what Nobel's invention of explosives has done for Muslim society. Now that this technology has been mastered by Muslims, suicide bombings are a daily event in dar al Islam. It would be far better for Iranians to study the medicinal uses of camel urine in Hadith science than to pursue nuclear ambitions.
Have you people noticed the look of the camel( smiling) and the bearded goats? Acutely resembling the mullahs? The camle is smiling because the camles know what was eaten by the goats and the amused look on camel is because the camels are amzed at the stupidity of moslems following the qrand which is not true( true qran was eaten by the goats remember?) The billy goats after eating the qrand have become like mullahs. LOL
To All;
++ The articles presented by Ali Sinner and his supporters on this web site are logical fallacies. The so called evidence presented in them is fabricated. Many articles have been read on this web site. Anyone who checks references cited by articles presented on this web site, can clearly see that words are manipulated in the many versus listed in the Quran. Here is an example:
++ This web site FFI (Facts Fabrications International) manipulates verse 4-11 in the Quran as follows:
—-[[Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases (’s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.]] (women replaced by daughters in the verse)
If we accept such manipulation to the verse presented above, then we can see that
“if a man dies and leaves 2 daughters, his wife and his parents behind we see that Allah prescribes that the survivors should receive of the man’s possession (2/3 + 1/6 +1/6 + 1/8 = 1 1/8)”. Makes anyone wonder if Allah knows math!
++ On the other hand, the true translation of verse 4-11 in the Quran states:
[[Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only women, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases (’s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.]]
++ As a result, “if a man dies and leaves 2 daughters, his wife and his parents behind we see that Allah prescribes that the survivors should receive of the man’s possession (2/3 + 1/6 +1/6 = 1)”.
++ This is only one example of so many fabrications that are being presented on this web site. Any claim presented on this web by Ali Sinner and his supporters need to be investigated thoroughly. Many investigations have been done and it was proved over and over again that his claims are inaccurate and are manipulated.
In response to posts 27048 of Henrikus and 27233 of The Truth:
About the conundrum about the inheritance. I carefully read what Henrikus and The Truth wrote and Quran 4:11, 4:12 are very complicated texts. But: Even in the version of The Truth Q4:11 states:
“[[Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only women, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, HER SHARE IS A HALF. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each,”
Up to here it seems pretty straightforward, but even if Q4:11 says women instead of daughters, that is still preceded by the directions regarding CHILDREN’s inheritance. A wife is a woman, but not a CHILD of the deceased.
Then it is explained that the children, if there are 2 or more, get 16/24 (2/3) and the parents each get 4/24 (1/6). So far so good. But what if there is only one daughter? She gets 12/24 and the parents? Still together 8/24? but this leaves 4/24 unaccounted for. But that I am sure is somehow well arranged I trust.
But, then in Q4:12, the wife of the deceased is treated as per inheritance-rights. Now it is stated that:
“In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth;” (I take it that with ye the man is meant, like Henrikus says)
So; Henrikus seems to be right, If there are 2 daughters, they get 16/24 and the parents together get 8/24, but then what about the 3/24 of the wife?
But there is one other possibility; namely that the wife does get 3/24, when she has ONE child, and in inheritance for Children-section, it was mentioned that if there was only one daughter, then she would only get 12/24, not 16/24 which is in the case that there would have been 2 daughters or more. So if the single daughter gets 12/24, and both parents get 4/24, and the wife gets 3/24 that still does not add up; 12/24 + 8/24 + 3/24 = 23/24.