Ali Sina is an Evil Against Truth – III
This is a continuation of PREVIOUS postings: Part I Part II
We received the following response from this Muslim who lives in Canada (we think):
DO YOU THINK A PEDOPHILE CAN COMPOSE SUCH MAJESTIC VERSES…..WHICH GOES BEYOND IMAGINATION IN ITS HIGH MEANINGS……ARE YOU PEOPLE REALY MAD ?????? TRUELY YOU ARE UNDER SPELL OF DEVILE…..WAKE UP BEFORE DEATH CONSUMES YOUR TERM…..
By no means shall ye attain
Righteousness, unless you give
(freely} of that which you LOVE
And whatever you give of a TRUTH
Allah knoweth it well
quran 3;92
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, MOST COMPASSIONATE, MERCIFUL
HE IS ALLAH,THE ONE AND ONLY
ALLAH, THE ETERNAL AND ABSOLUTE
HE BEGETETH NOT, NOR HE IS BEGOTTEN
THERE IS NOTHING LIKE UNTO HIM
quran 112:1-4
Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day;
in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise. (QURAN !:164)
9. Has not the story reached you, (O people!), of those who (went) before you? – of the people of Noah, and ‘Ad, and Thamud? – And of those who (came) after them? None knows them but Allah. To them came apostles with Clear (Signs); but they put their hands up to their mouths, and said: “We do deny (the mission) on which ye have been sent, and we are really in suspicious (disquieting) doubt as to that to which ye invite us.” 14:09
10. Their apostles said: “Is there a doubt about Allah, The Creator of the heavens and the earth? It is He Who invites you, in order that He may forgive you your sins and give you respite for a term appointed!” They said: “Ah! ye are no more than human, like ourselves! Ye wish to turn us away from the (gods) our fathers used to worship: then bring us some clear authority.” 14:10
11. Their apostles said to them: “True, we are human like yourselves, but Allah doth grant His grace to such of his servants as He pleases. It is not for us to bring you an authority except as Allah permits. And on Allah let all men of faith put their trust.
12. “No reason have we why we should not put our trust on Allah. Indeed He Has guided us to the Ways we (follow). We shall certainly bear with patience all the hurt you may cause us. For those who put their trust should put their trust on Allah.”
13. And the Unbelievers said to their apostles: “Be sure we shall drive you out of our land, or ye shall return to our religion.” But their Lord inspired (this Message) to them: “Verily We shall cause the wrong-doers to perish!
Below is the email response to him from one of our editors:
Dear Sir,
Anyone can say nice things, including Muhammad. Saddam Hussein was a mass murderer. I once watched a TV interview with his daughter when he (Saddam) was in prison. His daughter spoke how much of a good father he was. She elevated him to a super-dad status. I believe her. Some of the people we think of as ruthless killers, have done and said beautiful things to a certain groups of people (or to certain individuals too). This does not give Muhammad a clean slate. There are authenitc Islamic sources that tell of the genocide Muhammad consistently did against other groups of people. The same applies to his rapes and pedophilia. In your email, you seem to imply that Muhammad is not a pedophile. I invite you to go to our FFI site, read the “Challenge”, and then tell me if Muhammad is a pedophile or not.
In your email, you also quote some Koranic verses. You seem to enjoy their beauty. I am sorry to tell you that the Koran is one of the worst books to read. Sixty percent of it is threats, hate and violence. What is good about a verse that tells a man can beat his wife (4:34)? I am an Arab, and there is nothing worse than asking me to read the Koran. It is boring. It is violent. It is filthy. It is no more than trash. Yet, you are glorifying it. I wonder if you even know Arabic? If you ask an Arab to choose between reading the Koran, and reading the writings of Nizar Qabbani, I gurantee you that 99.99% of the Arabs you ask will choose reading Qabbani over that filthy book you are trying to glorify.
Here are some of the Jewels of that great book of yours:
Beating Women:
004.034
• YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
Forcing people to pay a different tax (Jizya) just because they happen not to believe in Islam:
Koran 9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
That thug, Muhammad, did not even have a respect for a holy place like the Ka’ba. Read this authentic Hadith:
Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 582:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, “Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka’ba.” The Prophet said, “Kill him.” (Malik a sub-narrator said, “On that day the Prophet was not in a state of Ihram as it appeared to us, and Allah knows better.”)
How much of a respect did Muhammad have for a holy place like the Ka’ba to order the killing of a man who was seeking refuge in it? Regardless of this person’s (Ibn Khatal) crime, Muhammad should have forgiven such a man who desired Allah’s protection by hanging onto the Ka’ba’s curtains.
Sir, the problem we have with Muslims who write to us keeps repeating itself. They do not know their Koran, and the reasons different verses were “revealed” to that thug. Many muslims who contact us don’t know much about the Hadees and the evil lying in it done by Muhammad and his bandits (Sahaba “companions”). Your emails exhibit the same symptoms.
Regards
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To the Truth
[You are taking words out of context to suit your argument without presenting all the facts. In reality, the above verse refers to the historical context in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought against other nations.]
Dont you think other Mohamadeans would disagree that anything from the Quran can be out of context ? If you think that certain verses are out of context would you ignore them ? Can you give me a list of verses which i can ignore today, so as to get a version which will lead me to the truer meaning of Islam by reading the edited Quran?
Zebulin,
Go through that site before u say something ! You'll get to know what these Ali Sina gang of jobless people are.
I have, but cant comment on anything on the site.. anything that is not subject to question is akin to propaganda … isnt it ? how can anyone defend or argue the case ?
Zebulin :
Then why does Ali Sina gets caught red handed everytime and run away from all online DEBATES ? Why ? There r so many scholars out there who would love to get ALi Sina's $50,000 !
What is the punishment for leaving islam. Isnt that reason enough to avoid devout Mohamadeans for a person who has quit Islam ? BTW there are plenty of others check out http://www.youtube.com/AhmadsQuran3 videos too.
MH
Muslims disect all other religions quite rationally but when it comes to Islam it appears that act brain dead. I went to the link you provided where lot of scientific 'truths' in Koran were debated.
Can you name anyone or any modern science theory or fact that was inspired by Koran. I am sure there is none. Let us say tomorrow any new discovery is made or any new theory is postualted – I am sure Muslims will pour their heads into Koran and try to find some arabic word or phrase and then try to find its roots words, etc (as is done by Zakir Naik) and then tell their muslim brothers that it is already mentioned in Koran.
Why dont you all muslims study Koran throughly and come up with some path breaking knowledge so that non-muslims also acknowledge the greatnes of islam. Why is that only when the non-muslims have discovered something that you shout from roof tops that it was already mentioned in Koran.
Dont you see absurdity in all this.
Regards,
Raman
Zebulin,
Thats anothere issue to be discussed about and there are good reasons why Apostates are discouraged to stay in Muslim communities. It is not currently related to topic being dealt with here. If u want to know about it then visit : http://www.islamonline.com .
Ramam
Quran is error-free (=flawless) which is a FACT. What do u mean brain dead? There are so many educated Muslims who are very pious. But dont judge Islam by looking at the behavior of people who have Muslim names. http://www.islamonline.com can help u gain knowledge.
By the way, ur speaking about a different topic not related to the issue being dicussed here.
To admin
This is in reply to Comment ID #26929
October 12, 2009 • 9:49 am .
++ After examining the facts and the definition you provided, no part of the definition fit the prophet Mohammed's behavior. Hence, your claim has again been proven wrong.
—-You stated ["Forcing people to pay a different tax (Jizya) just because they happen not to believe in Islam:
Koran 9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”"]
++ Again you are fabricating the facts. You are taking words out of context to suit your argument without presenting all the facts. In reality, the above verse refers to the historical context in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought against other nations. The Prophet Muhammad did not initiate aggression against anyone, rather he and his followers were under attack from all who sought to crush the new Islamic state. In light of the historical context of this verse, it becomes very clear that the verse was revealed in connection with aggression initiated against Muslims at that time.
++ You stated that "you try to be very honest". However, trying to be honest is not an indication that the person is truly honest. An honest person will say “I am honest”. The articles presented on this web site by Ali Sinner and his supporters lack honesty and objectivity. Everyone is interested in facts but not fact fabrications. Facts fabrications must end.
[Thats anothere issue to be discussed about and there are good reasons why Apostates are discouraged to stay in Muslim communities. It is not currently related to topic being dealt with here. If u want to know about it then visit : http://www.islamonline.com .]
Hmm.. this too seems like avoiding an uncomfortable situation.. doesnt it.
BTW i think even Homers works are flawless. So does that qualify as divine poetry ? that line of thought is nonsense right ?
It is very funny to find many Muslims on this site FFI are talking & quoting sites where their new Prophet Jerk off Zakir Naik supposedly has proved all of Ali Sina's allegations against Pedo.Mo false. By jerking off some vile verses from Qu'rand the Islamic book of prostitution. Where Allah Dalla ( the pimp god ) has proved Pedophilia is Sunnah of Pedo. MoHamMad.
How pathetic ??? LOL
Jerk off Zakir Naik has been tucking his dirty Islamic tail between his hind legs and hiding from Ali Sina and FFI's Chalenge just like any rabid yellow dog . Ha Ha Ha Ha
To Raman
This is in reply to Comment ID #26956
October 12, 2009 • 11:18 am .
—-You stated [" Can you name anyone or any modern science theory or fact that was inspired by Koran. I am sure there is none. Let us say tomorrow any new discovery is made or any new theory is postualted – I am sure Muslims will pour their heads into Koran and try to find some arabic word or phrase and then try to find its roots words, etc (as is done by Zakir Naik) and then tell their muslim brothers that it is already mentioned in Koran. Why dont you all muslims study Koran throughly and come up with some path breaking knowledge so that non-muslims also acknowledge the greatnes of islam. Why is that only when the non-muslims have discovered something that you shout from roof tops that it was already mentioned in Koran."]
++ The science of Algorithms in Algebra was invented by Alkhawrizmi, a Muslim mathematician. Muslims contributed tremendously in the advancement of science. The Quran encourages all Muslims to seek all kind of knowledge. The Quran demands on every Muslim to seek knowledge till the time they die. Imagine if a nuclear war does happen, there will be no nothing left and we all go back to the stone ages. To that effect, the Mongolians attacked the Muslim nation several centuries ago. All scientific and non-scientific books written by Muslims scholars were destroyed and burned by the Mongolians. No book survived. Nevertheless, Muslims had to start all over again while Europeans continue where Muslims left off.
Halapork –
Who do u think is hiding? U have common sense? Zakir Naik and many of other scholars appears publicly everywhere especially on Tv and invites all kinds of challenges against Islam. Ali Sina is always hiding behind curtains and doesn't want to accept any challenges. If Ali Sina is confident that he would win his challenge, he should ATLEAST indulge into an online debate. He ignores because he clearly knows he will be defeated logically.
To Halalpork
This is in reply to Comment ID #26964
October 12, 2009 • 11:39 am .
—-You stated ["It is very funny to find many Muslims on this site FFI are talking & quoting sites where their new Prophet Jerk off Zakir Naik supposedly has proved all of Ali Sina’s allegations against Pedo.Mo false. By jerking off some vile verses from Qu’rand the Islamic book of prostitution. Where Allah Dalla ( the pimp god ) has proved Pedophilia is Sunnah of Pedo. MoHamMad. How pathetic ??? LOL
Jerk off Zakir Naik has been tucking his dirty Islamic tail between his hind legs and hiding from Ali Sina and FFI’s Chalenge just like any rabid yellow dog . Ha Ha Ha Ha"]
++ I can see a lot of anger in you. This must be to the fact you couldn't measure to such an outstanding debater as Dr. Zakir Naik.
++ By looking at the type of argument that you have just provided, it is with no doubt that you exactly fit the type of criteria of an ignorant person. If leaving Islam and following Ali Sinner's line of teaching will make me like you, I must stick to my choice. That choice will always be Islam.
To Truth :
Was Alkhawrizmi inspired by Koran? Muslims say that Koran contains scientific facts like earth revolves around the sun, etc.. But it were non-muslims who discovered this fact. Now there can be two things :
Either Muslims did not understand the Koran properly – which i doubt is the case
or these facts were discovered by Muslims but were stolen by kafirs or the last and the most probable possibility that Koran does not contain anything scientific – it is only the concoctation of the muslims who keep on inventing the root of the arabic words.
I happened to discuss the issue of earth is round with a muslim. he immediately quoted a verse of Koran and mentioned that Koran tells that earth is like an egg and that too an ostrich egg. When I saw this verse in english translation of 3 re-knowned persons – it did not mention anything on egg. I too saw Zakir Naik's explanation – he takes you to the root of the word and then come up with the egg and ostrich explanation.
I know you muslims have brains – as you find the faults in other religions very quickly and i should say not all are wrong – but i do wonder where does your rationality goes when discussion Islam. Why are you all blinded by a man who if not Pedo, rapist, murderer, etc – is still acussed of the same – and the proff is very solid. Why dont you come out of islam for some time and view as the rest of humanity is viewing islam and then take a rational decision.
Zebulin
Comment ID #26966
October 12, 2009 • 11:43 am
You stated ["Dont you think other Mohamadeans would disagree that anything from the Quran can be out of context ? If you think that certain verses are out of context would you ignore them ? Can you give me a list of verses which i can ignore today, so as to get a version which will lead me to the truer meaning of Islam by reading the edited Quran?"]
++ Do I have to teach you logic and English? If so then you need to go back to school.
++ I said:
++ Again you (admin) are fabricating the facts. You (admin) are taking words out of context to suit your argument without presenting all the facts. In reality, the above verse (9:29) refers to the historical context in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought against other nations. The Prophet Muhammad did not initiate aggression against anyone, rather he and his followers were under attack from all who sought to crush the new Islamic state. In light of the historical context of this verse, it becomes very clear that the verse was revealed in connection with aggression initiated against Muslims at that time.
++ I said admin is taking words out of context. There is nothing wrong with the Quran.
To The Truth
According to your "outstanding debater", the scriptures of the Hindus mention about Mohamad (refer to the debate/forum with Sri ravisankar and therefore they too are authentic sacred scriptures. Zakir Naik says in defnition he is a jew and also calls himself a christian and calls himself a hindu too based on certain explanations.He is a good debater but by no means a scholar, but entertaining enough.
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You stated ["Dont you think other Mohamadeans would disagree that anything from the Quran can be out of context ? If you think that certain verses are out of context would you ignore them ? Can you give me a list of verses which i can ignore today, so as to get a version which will lead me to the truer meaning of Islam by reading the edited Quran?"]
++ Do I have to teach you logic and English? If so then you need to go back to school.
]
Can you clarify what you mean by that statement ?
Let me rephrase.. Can anything be quoted from the Quran out of context ?
To Raman
This is a reply to Comment ID #26980
October 12, 2009 • 12:20 pm
You stated ["Why dont you come out of islam for some time and view as the rest of humanity is viewing islam and then take a rational decision."]
++ Proving Islam is wrong is like proving mathematics is wrong.
++ Many people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate it and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science.
Similarly,
++ Many people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate it and they curse at it. However, that does not make it a false religion.
++ On the other hand, Muslims do accept Islam as their religion because they know it is a true religion. They understand its logic as much as any mathematician understands the logic and theorems of mathematics.
To Truth :
It is OK if someone does not understand mathematics – but if someone does then will it be obligatory on him to kill the person who does not understand maths.
The problem is not that you understand Islam or not. It is good in case you understand Islam and makes you a better being – the problem lies in the fact that the people who understand Islam want to convert others into islam and if not, then kill them. This has been the case since ages. People inspired by Koran have committed hineous crimes against humanity. The only common factor between them was the Koran and Mohammed.
To All;
++ Proving Islam is wrong is like proving mathematics is wrong.
++ Some people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate mathematics and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science.
Similarly,
++ Some people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate Islam and they curse at it. However, that does not make Islam a false religion.
++ On the other hand, Muslims do accept Islam as their religion because they know it is a true religion. They understand its logic as much as any mathematician understands the logic and theorems of mathematics.
++ Some might say, we can apply the above argument to other religions as well. That is true I say. However, unlike the Quran, the Bible and the Torah have been altered. Hence, that makes them unreliable for any logical person to choose them as a religion.
To Raman,
Muslims are encouraged to live in communities rather than live in Kafir environments. But its alrigtht is a Muslim feels fine with a Kafir community. It basically depends on the nature of the person.
You talk about understanding mathematics? Do u know what human beings are? Each normal human being in this earth understand mathematics. You understand maths. I understand maths. Even an adult who never attended school nor kindergarden understands maths (even if they dont know mathematical language)
You tell me…how is it possible for someone who already knows that 2+2=4 but denys the truth and says 2+2=3 ? Even a begger(who never went to school) knows how to count money. It is not a matter of understanding. It is a matter of denying the truth. Everone is basically capable of understanding or knowing the truth. Some people dont bother to understand and they remain in unrealistic illusions. These illisions belong to evil (=satan).
People who are Apostates are ENCOURAGED to get out of Muslim communities because Muslims are not comfortable with letting these people stay inside their communities for strong reasons. That is why, we encourage Apostates to get out of Muslim nations because they donot belong to that Muslim community. There are strong reasons to justify these matters and u can research online..there r too many Islamic websites u can look at. =)
Kind Regards
To Raman
This is in reply to Comment ID #26991
October 12, 2009 • 1:16 pm .To Truth :
You stated [" the problem lies in the fact that the people who understand Islam want to convert others into islam and if not, then kill them. This has been the case since ages."]
++ That is a false. Muslims have never compelled non-Muslims to become Muslims, and this myth has been propagated by Western Christian writers and many others.
++ In fact it is quite clearly written in the Qur'an Surah 2 verse 256, "There is no compulsion in religion."
To MH:
''Muslims are encouraged to live in communities rather than live in Kafir environments. But its alrigtht is a Muslim feels fine with a Kafir community. It basically depends on the nature of the person."
"People who are Apostates are ENCOURAGED to get out of Muslim communities because Muslims are not comfortable with letting these people stay inside their communities for strong reasons. That is why, we encourage Apostates to get out of Muslim nations because they donot belong to that Muslim community. "
The above statements made by you proves what an animal you are.
Get out of your dirty shitty world and learn to embrace the whole humanity . We are all humans irrespective of our religions.
To Raman,
Yes there are many many many (i dont know the number) so called Muslims who commit crimes or indulge into wrong action that go against Islam . Those are only Muslim by names, not by action. So never judge Islam by looking at people who have Muslim names. Also, no Muslim is a perfect Muslim (except for our Messenger according to Quran) and people are different…different lifestyles suit different people…different people have different features / natures …etc
Raakshas,
As Muslims it is our duty to behave well and justly with Kafirs. It is a responsibility of Muslim. In which theory do u want to save humanity? How am I am animal? You prove it using logic !
To Admin (or ALi Sina )
You have been trying to deceive people by giving them incorrect information. If you have the the courage, just confront the challenge page you LIAR. Truth about you is exposed. Dont delete comments which expose the truth about u liar fraud Ali Sina.
To the Muslim brother in Canada :
What kind of logic makes you call our Messenger pedophile? Do u even know what a pedophile is? It is logically and scientifically proved that our Messenger doesn't fit the definition of a pedophile. Ali Sina has lied about that and you can clearly see it in the challenge page- just read all comments.
@MH: You are completely from childhood like many musalman brought up under this cult called islam.I agree ,You cannot overcome the shock and Human nature of justifying wrong as Right.But ,check in your inner mind – You know koran is satanic verses ,terror handbook.
In 20th century Mohammadans under amin-ul-hussaini supported the slaughter of Jews by Nazi Regime.Check here: http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/
Be Bold and Gain Courage to go through this great website.It Helps you to gain confidence to save from the clutches of Pagan Moon God Cult called Islam.Islam is the reason for poverty,terrorism and hate.it is medieval and the so called prophet of koran is a shame to humanity.wake up!
To Dil Kya Kasoor :
I was not brought up as a proper Muslim even though I have Muslim name originally. I converted to Islam =) . Before I converted to Islam I knew about this website and it encouraged me to understand Ali Sina =) .
I visited that website.
Please feel free to visit this link im giving u where Ali Sina have been already proven wrong and a liar as evidenced by http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.ht…
It will help you know more about FFI =)
This in reply to admin;
—-You stated ["That thug, Muhammad, did not even have a respect for a holy place like the Ka’ba. Read this authentic Hadith"]
++ The only thug here is you. Do you really think Muslims are stupid? The only stupid here is you and those who believe in your lies. You can lie as much as you can. You can scam as many people as you can. You can even ask for donations as much as you can. But never ever insult people's intelligence. That would be a huge mistake!
Anyone interested in finding the truth should click on the link:
http://www.examinethetruth.com/Ali_Sina_Gone_Wild…
"The Truth"
Here is a part of the definition of what a thug is""noun: A person who treats others violently and roughly"
When you read the above definition, and the Koranic verse and Hadiths provided above, doesn't Muhammad qualify to be called a thug?
I won't be responding to you Truth. I have a busy day ahead of me. However, I'd like you to know we try to be very honest when we talk about Muhammad. Just the plain truth.
Editor
To The Truth,
Why do Mohamadeans quit Islam ? Is it because they are stupid ? If so, were stupid when they were Mohamadeans ?
To Admin: WE DONT TRUST U…WHEN THE TREACHEROUS SECRET OF ALI SINA IS EXPOSED !
Dont try to hide your face !! We already know that ALi Sina RUNS away from any debate..otherwise I CAN guarantee you 1 billion dollars that Ali Sina is fraud lying to make money on the internet.
http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.ht…
Is the website that exposes the truth about FFI . (Im sure u know it already and u r ashamed to expose the truth)
Well..whether our Messenger can be defined as a thug or not is completely your own opinion that lacks scientific justification…It really doesnt matter whether U PERSONALLY THINK he's a thug or not. You and Ali Sina (or maybe you r Ali Sina who is JOBLESS) hiding behind the curtains and claiming things with obviously lacks logic.
R U TOO SCARED TO REVEAL THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF? wE DONT CARE WHETHER U THINK ISLAM IS THE TRUTH OR NOT. ALL WE CARE ABOUT IS YOUR DIRTY LIES AND FALSE CLAIMS WITH THE INTENTION OF DECEIVING PEOPLE !
http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.ht…
IM SURE U'VE GONE THROUGH THIS WEBSITE WHICH CLEARLY DEFINES WHAT YOU (=ALI SINA) ARE. WHAT A LOSER PLAYING TRICKS ON THE INTERNET !!
p.s. EVERONE…
DONT FORGET THE LINK..
ITS ALI SINA'S FAVORITE LINK AS WHEN HE VISITS THE SITE HE STARTS SOBBING : http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.ht…
To MH and family.
You should be grateful that your comments are allowed to be posted and are visible here, unlike on the sites that you promote (no prizes to guess the reason why they dont allow comments). They also do not have links back to other sites which they debate against(no prizes to guess the reason). Anyway is has always been truth verses propaganda, since 1400 years.
To admin :
ur so illiterate
have u studied psychology at university? EVERYTHING DONE HAS A REASON BEHIND IT. For example : If I behave violently and roughly as a policeman…you would still call me thug right? So does that mean a person who behaved like a thug at some point in time has a bad character? How can u prove it scientifically (using psychological studies).
Not even an idiot would say something stupid ! No wonder u r JOBLESS !
Please muslims tell me one thing.
If a woman is raped by a pious muslims, then how shall she proof that she has been raped?
In Islam 4 witnesses are needed, dont hide , how can she get 4 witnesses.
Now here is the way which modern science and moral authority can prove. 'Medical report', through analyzing the semen and other liquid when a pious muslim rapes a woman, we can catch that 'thug' and 4 males witnesses is just plain stupidity and evil. Tell me if 4 male witnesses are there, why cant they save her instead of seeing the rape and 'may be 'report it. In maximum cases all these 1,2 3, 4 etc will be rapists themselves.
muhammed thus making this rule, legalised 'rape'.
SHAME on muslims.
Some Statistics:
while muslims are hardly 1-1.5 % in US, they have 18 % contribution in Jails.
In denmark while 4% muslim population, but 70 % in jail inmates, maximum for doing there Sunna of raping teenage girls. In all countries , muslims are maximum in jails and less in Universites or scientists, or enginners etc. Muslims have almost double and triple number of childrens than non-muslims and do petty works like cab driving, halal cooks, labour work, petty thieves, street gangs, drug pedlers etc.
If you think ( THNK – as an opinion) that a Muslim is pious and he committed rape…then he is not pious anymore…in Islam Rape is Haram. No real Muslim should commit rape. In Islam, raping anyone is a crime.
How can muslims say that 2+2 =4 , is correct in case of Islam and not for others. thats the main problem. This analogy is false. All know muhammed was illiterate and arabs were at the lowest level of civilization.
Also in recent times, muslims are worst in science, mathematics, reading books and have zero contribution to human progress. While non-muslims are best in mathematics , science etc. Thus obviously being non-muslims they are better in mathematics and muslims after following koran and other absurd books are weak in mathematics etc.
Does muslims have any shame?
Muslims use kaffir contribution like electricity, fan, fridge, bus, car, rail, plane, computers, internet and what not. After that they kill non-muslims as per there jihad and still eat the food and take medicines from non-muslims by showing there 'poverty card' to human right groups and UN.
Shame on you muslims, you are honestly a parasite and curse on human civilization.
MH
Comment ID #27028
Aha , now you are playing 'tagiya', what you call then 'raping a non-muslim woman'???
Then what does right hand possesion mean ?
Does any pious muslim have issued a fatwa that you cant have non-muslim women as booty. All know muslims take non-muslim women as booty not for talking but to rape. Dont try to play taqiya.
Muslims have been exposed. Infact in our Europe, you guys have been caught in tapes that raping white women is ok and good in islam, by your mullahs.
Do one thing please call your muslim group head to issue a 'fatwa' that raping or taking non-muslim woman as haram and any muslim who does this is not a muslim.
MH is a poor Idiot which, being a poor (or pure) Idiot, converted to Islam.
My best Compliments to "Editor" who answered to the "poor pure" Idiot.
There is Nothing intelligent in Islam, and Nothing spiritual – while Intelligence and Spirituality are to be found in every other Religion.
Islam is based on Shahadah which states "… Muhammad Rasoul AlLah". Considered Words and Deeds of Muhammad, AlLah is not God, and for whoever consider one like Muhammad to be his/her Prophet … well … no Religion at all there!
But we know: many like to belong to a Mafious System – and Islam is it.
Thank you Ali Sina and Staff for your precious Job: with the Corruption's Level of Today's World I don't know how many will follow your Way of Truth – most of the People will maybe follow that (completely) corrupted Way called Islam.
Anyway: it is wonderful to have People like you, enlightening the World with Truth. Thank you from the deepest of (my) Heart.
Dont get fooled by these fellow like 'The Truth' or 'MH' etc, who tell that after studying Islam from FFI etc have converted to Islam. These just one of the many gimmicks which these evil followers play, also many time you will find some user playing as muslimah tell that sharia and female genital mutilation, husband beating wife, husband having 4 wives, and having sex with 'right hand possesion' is great. They love to be muslimah in such cases.
To Truth and MH :
Why do want to fool yourself. Just look at the following link :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEXnEfdvv6s
This tell you the story of the Kalash people who are inhabitants of Pakistan and believe in nature worship. They are slowly being converted to Islam and how?
Kalash people are poor they need jobs – Jobs can only be provided if you convert to Islam. So fine – in order to feed oneself they convert to Islam – but it is a one way path – you cannot convert back to Kalash culture – in case they do – they will be killed. Soon these beautiful people will loose their own culture which they have been practising since ages.
Muslims are not using voilent method to convert people but are surely you wont be proud of waht is happening.
I think you both are living in western world – so you dont know what Islam is – you are only fancing its so called good tenents – try living in an Islamic country and then you will relaise what Islam is.
MH:
What kind of logic makes you call our Messenger pedophile? Do u even know what a pedophile is? It is logically and scientifically proved that our Messenger doesn’t fit the definition of a pedophile.
I say:
Your prophet is a pedophile who made pedophilia holy through his man made religion which is Islam. Muhammed was a filthy sexual pervert who lusted for babies wrapped in blankets.
The Truth:
++ The only thug here is you. Do you really think Muslims are stupid? The only stupid here is you and those who believe in your lies. You can lie as much as you can. You can scam as many people as you can. You can even ask for donations as much as you can. But never ever insult people’s intelligence. That would be a huge mistake!
I say:
The only person who is stupid here is you for defending your pedophile prophet.
The Truth:
++ That is a false. Muslims have never compelled non-Muslims to become Muslims, and this myth has been propagated by Western Christian writers and many others.
I say:
Oh really? So Muslims are not murdering, raping, beating, torturing, kidnapping, harassing, and persecuting nonmuslim minorities in Muslim countries?
Marie Comment ID #27115
October 12, 2009 • 10:11 pm
Dont claim things without proof. Go to the challenge page and read all comments. That will prove you the truth.
In response to Mehbish Hossain, post nr 27002.
You say, I: “Muslims are encouraged to live in communities rather than live in Kafir environments. But its alrigtht is a Muslim feels fine with a Kafir community. It basically depends on the nature of the person.”
Then, also, II: “ People who are Apostates are ENCOURAGED to get out of Muslim communities because Muslims are not comfortable with letting these people stay inside their communities for strong reasons. That is why, we encourage Apostates to get out of Muslim nations because they donot belong to that Muslim community. There are strong reasons to justify these matters and u can research online..there r too many Islamic websites u can look at. =)
Just after WWII the vast majority of Dutch were Christians, but since then there has been a lot of apostasy from Christianity. The Dutch people are, apart from the Muslims, a mixture of all sorts of followers of religions, or life-views, but mostly Christians and Atheists one might say. Now, in Holland Geert Wilders, advocates against too much immigration by Muslims and against Islamization of the country. He encounters, from both Muslims and many followers of other beliefs very fierce opposition. He is accused of being racist, ethnocentric, far-right etc for even suggesting of not allowing into Holland a person, or, heaven forbid, a person to be encouraged to leave Holland, because of being Islamic. And Geert Wilders also can provide “very strong reasons to justify these matters, for which you can search online”.
The persons you refer to as apostates in Muslim communities are probably for a big part Christians and Atheists, as the majority of Dutch people are.
If YOUR views were stated in Holland, only the other way around (so encouraging Muslims to leave Christian-Atheist-communities), then they would cause furious indignation, you would be called a racist, ethnocentrist, by Muslims, Christians and Atheists alike. I myself am appalled by your attitude, towards apostates, Atheists, Christians and others, in Muslims community, as compared to your attitude about Muslims living in Atheist-Christian society. Do you honestly not see your own hypocritical double standards? Would you see them if say a Buddhist expressed your views? I wonder, do you understand Geert Wilders’strong reasons better now? If what you said is a view of the Imams and many Muslims, does that not add to HIS “Strong reasons”?
In response to Mehbish Hossain, post nr 27008, in thread Ali Sina is a threat against Truth III.
You say: “Yes there are many many many (i dont know the number) so called Muslims who commit crimes or indulge into wrong action that go against Islam . Those are only Muslim by names, not by action. So never judge Islam by looking at people who have Muslim names. Also, no Muslim is a perfect Muslim (except for our Messenger according to Quran) and people are different…different lifestyles suit different people…different people have different features / natures …etc”
Answer: Now here may be something we can work out. In FFI there is criticism of Islamic holy texts, them being alleged in part untrue, in part inspiring detrimental behavior by Muslims. And also facts are presented about actual detrimental behavior by Muslims. And they are explained as caused by Islamic teachings.
Now, it may be that a lot of detrimental behavior is perpetrated by Muslims by name only, not by action. Also, as admitted by you, no Muslim is a perfect Muslim. This gives a lot of room for speculation;
I. Can you True Muslims really trust Muslims-in-name-only? Can you even trust True-Muslims all the time, since they are not perfect?
II. Then, when outsiders, followers of other beliefs, cannot see the difference between True Muslims and Muslims-in-name-only, can they trust Muslims all the way?
III. If Muslims cannot be trusted all the way, isn’t it logical that they should not be given anywhere total power? But only controlled, democratic power? Just like ALL the followers of other beliefs, on principle. I am just saying here: Isn’t it best to have ALL submit to democratic rules, so Muslims also? Everywhere?
IV. If you true Muslims want to establish anywhere on Earth a truly Islamic state, but without democratic control mechanisms, how can you be sure that some dissimulating Muslims-in-name-only and some true Muslims in moments of weakness (imperfection) will not abuse uncontrolled power? Which is what theocracy and dictatorship brings in our opinion.
V. When Muslims-in-name-only in your own opinion perpetrate detrimental acts against humanity, then isn’t it imperative for True Muslims to distance themselves as far as possible from these proven perpetrators of crimes against humanity? Even if it means unequivocally siding with their democratic opponents? Because by now True Muslims have experienced much heavy criticism and shame and ridicule precisely because of the detrimental actions by Muslims-in-name-only. Since the followers of other beliefs are not very able to distinguish between the True Muslims and the Muslims-in-name-only.
To give you clear choices; If Taliban are not True Muslims, can you side with NATO fighting them? If the Iranian government, together with the Revolutionary guards, are not True Muslims, can you side with the peaceful demonstrators for democracy against them?
If you do, then partially you would be in agreement with FFI and its visitors. It would give all of us a basis for negotiation, towards peace between us.
Islam appeals to the most egoistical and weakminded people because it makes them feel special, like they've got the right religion. Otherwise, they would be crap, because they come from some of the crappiest countries on the planet.
We must pity them. They have nothing else to boost their egos. They must believe they are the chosen people, as it appeals to their deep inferiority complexes.
Mehbish Hossain, in short.
The vast majority of Dutch people are ingrained with the Golden Rule;
- What you don't want done to you, do not do that to another.
- What you want done to you, do that to another also.
I hope and trust that most of the time you also abide by this rule.
Raman,
Western world? You should learn Islam. A person who has a Muslim name and family doesn't prove he/she is a good Muslim. I belong to a Muslim nation that doesnt have a single trace of a proper Islamic culture and I consider myself lucky because I can clearly see the difference between Islam and so-called Muslims. Many Muslims say they are born Muslims but honesly I really dont think they are any different from Kafirs. I have also heard about Iranian / Saudi / etc communities indulging into activities that are totally against Islam but when you look at them they wear Islamic uniform which makes u think firstly that they must be a really good Muslim whereas they are more like kafirs. There are good Muslims who are both uneducated and educated who exist and who strive to understand Islam and practice it righteously. Understanding Islam is like understanding mathematics and accepting / appreciating it. That is why we believe In Islam and we say every human being on earth is born as a Muslim ( in a sense that Allah judges Non-Muslims and Muslims equally) . Whether rich / poor/ educated/ undeducated/ etc Allah judges everyone equally. If anyone by any chance is unable to receive any information about Islam (maybe disabled people but obviously not educated people)…those people will be tested again (like this life) after their death – it is mentioned in the scriptures.
You cannot pay money to someone to become a Muslim (because he/she cant be a real Muslim) . The first Ibadath in Islam is sincere belief in Allah which comes through understanding and gaining knowledge about Islam. Without having faith or belief in Allah those people can NOT be Muslims even if they show-off everyone that they are Muslims. Hope it helps u understand.
To "The Truth" "MH" and "HM" or Nadir Ahmed,
I think it's better if you engage in written debate with Mr Ali Sina. He won't risk his life in public debate as you must know the consequences of making that mistake very well.
Humanity is but one family.
To Kenmirzz,
I GUARANTEE ALI SINA $50,000 IF HE WINS THE DEBATE. I ENCOURAGE HIM TO COME INTO AN ONLINE DEBATE WITH US [ NOT PUBLIC- OFCOURSE NOT=) ]
WHAT DO U SAY ALI SINA ???? DONT HIDE YOURSLF BEHIND THE CURTAINS !!
MH
I have my Chat Box filled with Muslims only. I chat with them on on Yahoo. I would have had good discussion with at least 50 of them. Everyones reaction is same – like yours. They say no one follows true Islam – Muslims dont even know the true meaning of Islam. Some even accuse Zakir Naik of knowing nothing. This is the common refrain among muslims.
I see the same reaction here among mulsims be it you or London Spirit.
If what you say is true then why dont you all start moment to implement true Islam.
Let me tell you – it is like Communism (I was a communist years back) – if you read books you feel good and think that it is the solution for the mankind – but when you start implementing it – it is horrible. Same thing is with Islam. You all imagine ideal situation when Mohammed was alive and want to re create the same situation. Your thinking and that of the terrorists like Osama and others is same. the difference is that you only imagine to have true islamic society and they are actually in the field to implement it.
If you think i am wrong – just for a day – disguise yourself as critic of islam and visit any chat site – you will find hundreds of muslims like you.
To All;
++ The articles presebted y Ali Sinner and his supporters on this web site are logical fallacies. The so called evidence presented in them is fabricated. Many articles have been read on this web site. Anyone who checks references cited by articles presented on this web site, can clearly see that words are manipulated in the many versus listed in the Quran. Here is an example:
++ This web site FFI (Facts Fabrications International) manipulates verse 4-11 in the Quran as follows:
—-[[Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases (’s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.]]
If we accept such manipulation to the verse presented above, then we can see that
“if a man dies and leaves 2 daughters, his wife and his parents behind we see that Allah prescribes that the survivors should receive of the man’s possession (2/3 + 1/6 +1/6 + 1/8 = 1 1/8)”. Makes anyone wonder if Allah knows math!
++ On the other hand, the true translation of verse 4-11 in the Quran states:
[[Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only women, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases (’s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.]]
++ As a result, “if a man dies and leaves 2 daughters, his wife and his parents behind we see that Allah prescribes that the survivors should receive of the man’s possession (2/3 + 1/6 +1/6 = 1)”.
++ This is only one example of so many fabrications that are being presented on this web site. Any claim presented on this web by Ali Sinner and his supporters need to be investigated thoroughly. Many investigations have been done and it was proved over and over again that his claims are inaccurate and are manipulated.
Islam means submission to evil. Allah is the Devil as he said in quran 3:54. Allah is the evil that made evil holy. Evils like pedophilia, murder, lying, stealing, adultery, fornication, quartering, sexing your dau in law, and any other evil you so desire. Muhammad bin Adbuallah was a liar following instructions of allah bin Satan the Devil.
Dr.Sina has proven his words as fact and as a commentor and reseacher, I agree with Dr. Sina. Islam is pure evil and racist. No sane god would curse black people or call them abeds. Allah said allah created Africans black to be abeds/slaves to white people and you expect sane people to accept this evil. If Africans had Arabs as slaves what would you say? I tell all Africans to enslave any Arab they see. I tell them to write a book saying Nod the African moon god said so. Make Shaka Zulu the prophet and tell Arabs that people who look like them they are to be the mamluks of Black Africans this time. Is this ok. (smile)
To The Truth
You said: "That is a false. Muslims have never compelled non-Muslims to become Muslims, and this myth has been propagated by Western Christian writers and many others."
Oh… please come to Indonesia and see what the "Laskar Jihad" (Jihadist Warior) did in Ambon years back. The only option givven to Christians captured by them during this period of violence was: convert to Islam or die. My brother and his family were among those victims, and they preferred to die than to convert to Islam. And some of the Jihadist warriors captured by Christian simply stated their reason: WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO, BECAUSE ISLAM IS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION. IF YOU DO NOT CONVERT TO ISLAM THAN YOU MUST DIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't say that they are not really Moslems. They are really committed moslems, praying five times a day, strictly practicing fasting during the Ramadhan, studying Quran regularly and other Islamic activities here and there. I know, not every Moslem behave the same way. But it makes me loose all respect to Islam in general and Moslems in Indonesia in particular, because they do not want to believe this truth and never condemn this barbaric action.
After the last earthquacke in Padang, West Sumatra, some people came with emergency aid to the victims. And you know what happened? Some fanatic Moslems, characteritically with long beard and white robe, prevented non Moslem victims to get any emergency aid. Some even took again food, clothes, medicines and shelters that were already given to non Moslems. And the reason? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MOSLEM !!!!! THEY SHOULD CONVER TO ISLAM FIRST, BEFORE RECEIVING ANY EMERGENCY AID! Oh, come on my friend. These people are dying, and you prevent them from getting any help? Ironically, the aids are mostly from non moslem countries. And who are the helpers? Americans, Australians, Canadians, Singaporeans, Germans, Turks. Where are the Arabs? The fellow moslems? Where are they?
Now, would you still dare to say this is just a myth and propagated by Western Christian and writers?
To Raisin Head
Who told u Ali Sina is a doctor ??!!! This is a fact that he is NOT a doctor. He is jobless and has no more importance than a bum on the street. He pretends to be a scholar. Visit : http://www.examinethetruth.com/ali_sina_on_the_ru…
Ardy,
People like The Truth doesn't care about that and always refuses to look at reality. You can see it for yourself that he keeps repeating the same sentences even after someone answered him. Do you know "oppositional disorder"? You can see in another article that he do that many times. Avoiding and selecting posts, refuse to listen to anyone.
MH:
Dont claim things without proof. Go to the challenge page and read all comments. That will prove you the truth.
I say:
You don't like my statements? Tough! My statements still stand because they speak the truth and the truth is Muslims treat nonmuslim minorities like sh*t.
To All;
++ Someone has stated that the Quran is full of contradictions and stated the following:
—-["Much has been written about CLOT believers
21.30 & 24.45 says from water
19.67 Says from nothing
3.59 & 35.11 says from clay
15.26 Says from mud
16.3 & 75.37 Says from a thickened liquid
SO WHICH PART OF THE QURAN IS RIGHT? WRONG"]
++ 21.30 – This verse does not talk about creation. It says that every living creature needs water to survive.
++ 24.45 – This verse states that Allah created only animals from water.
++ 19.67 – This verse does not talk about creation. It says that man was created some time ago.
++ 03.59 – This verse says that Adam was created from clay.
++ 35.11 – This verse says that man is created from clay.
++ 15.26 – This verse says that man is created from clay.
++ 16.03 – This verse talks about the stages of man being in the womb.
++ 75-37 – This verse describes the stages of man being in the womb.
++ There is no contradiction here what so ever. FFI (Facts Fabrications International) is using wrongly translated books of the Quran to justify its manipulated arguments.
++ Before anyone considers the truthfulness of any FFI (Facts Fabrications International) arguments, one must check first if the verses in the Quran have been translated accurately and without manipulation. Yet, none of the mentioned translated versus on this web site and others like it have been proven to be accurate translations. Thus, no arguments presented on this web site and others like it to prove Islam is wrong must be accepted.
To Marie,
If I tell you that I saw a man flying without wings in the sky and tell u that its the truth…would u believe me like a moron? So When you say that you're speaking the truth, please do not forget to provide evidence. Please go to the challenge page and correct your misunderstandings.
If you think so-called Muslims treat Non-Muslims badly…then I would say its the fault of so-callled Muslim's ur refering to. Real Muslims follow Islam well.
Persecution of Christians in Islamic Countries
(Note: HRAIC is not a Christian organization but , thanks to International Christian Concern, we present this abridged summary of human rights abuses in several Islamic countries in the hope that the ulama try to remedy them.)
While the number of countries where persecution against Christians continues to grow, the following are among those countries deemed by ICC to be among the most persistent violators of religious freedom and the most strategic in terms of having a negative impact on surrounding countries. If a country is not listed, its omission does not imply that no persecution against Christians exists or that abuses are any less severe.
PERSECUTION DEFINED – International Christian Concern defines "persecution" as specific acts that are targeted against people on account of their religious faith. These acts may occur in one or more of various forms that are included but are not limited to:
1. the denial of basic internationally accepted norms of human rights,
2. persistent acts of violence and extrajudicial killings,
3. repeated incidents of incarceration and/or interrogations,
4. the use of unusual and inhumane punishment, such as torture, solitary confinement and enslavement,
5. the inability for the accused to obtain legal representation or a fair public trial,
6. severe limitations that prevent believers from the right to peacefully assemble or practice their faith either in public or private,
7. the interference or prohibition by government against Christian institutions,
8. unfair laws, policies and practices that either severely impede or endanger the lives of Christians on account of their faith.
CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF VIOLATING
COUNTRIES FOR THE WATCH LIST
(countries listed in alphabetical order)
The selected countries meet the above definition of a country where Christians are persecuted and meet all of the following criteria:
1. When a consistent number of acts of persecution are confirmed to be the result of government sanctioned or tolerated acts of persecution against Christians on account of their faith,
2. When a government refuses to implement necessary laws or policy changes needed to curtail acts of persecution and safeguard the Christian community,
3. When there is a verifiable and consistent pattern of widespread acts of persecution that pose a serious threat to the existence of an entire Christian community with possible regional consequences.
DEFINITIONS OF CLASSIFICATION CODES
Primary Source of Persecution:
A Government sanctioned B Government tolerated, but perpetrated by political factions or religious extremists Severity of Persecution against Christians
1. Frequent incidents of violent acts of force, including torture, slavery, expulsion or the withholding of food and humanitarian aid that frequently cause severe deprivation or death. 2. Repeated human rights offences that occasionally may result in the loss of life and include lengthy detentions, beatings and the confiscation or destruction of property.
3. Numerous violations that include fines, discrimination in education, employment or the electorate process, insufficient legal representation, and restrictions on places of worship.
POSTED: October 22, 1998
Egypt
Iran
Pakistan
Saudi_Arabia
Sudan
Egypt
Egypt's Christian population, numbering approximately 5.7 million, is the largest Christian minority in the Middle East. The government claims that all religions are treated equally in Egypt. However, Islam remains the state religion. In 1997, Islamic terrorist violence again shook Egypt as 21 Christians were martyred in El Mina. In February 1997, Muslim terrorists attacked a church in Upper Egypt, killing 10 young people who were attending a youth Bible study. In January 1998, several Christian businesses were burned to the ground. One company lost 38 million dollars but the insurance company will not help any of these terrorized Christian owned businesses because they don't insure against terrorist attacks. In Alexandria and Cairo, Christian owned businessmen were threatened with either paying the "jizya" (an ancient tax on non-Muslims) or face the consequences. In March, seven Christians were killed by a Moslem terrorist who was said to be responsible for the killing of 24 others in 1995.
Also during the month of March, one family who converted to Christianity had their 13-year-old daughter kidnapped, raped, and forced to convert to Islam. The terrorist later released her and when she returned home they attacked the family, killing them by slitting their bellies and crushing their heads with stones. In a separate incident, another young Muslim woman convert was abducted and held against her will as a local Muslim leader attempted to rape her in an attempt to force her to return to Islam.
Another case of a female kidnapping took place when Muslim extremists kidnapped a Coptic Christian's 12-year-old daughter. They told the father that his responsibilities were over and that his daughter had converted to Islam. When the Christian took the matter to court he demanded they show his daughter. A female came forward wearing a veil and the traditional black garb to cover her.
The Christian couldn't identify his daughter and the judge refused his plea to remove the veil so that he could identify her.
The survival of the church in Egypt has also been hampered by the 1856 Ottoman Decree that is still in force which prohibits the construction or repair of churches, including the repair of a toilet, without a presidential decree. While mosques are allowed to flourish, the construction of non-Muslim places of worship are curtailed. In January 1998, President Mubarak transferred his authority on issuing building permits to the regional governors. It remains to be seen if the granting of permits by the regional governors will have any significant impact. Most Christian pastors interviewed by ICC remained skeptical. Restricting church construction has been used by the government as a means to limit church growth, and such restrictions have been encouraged by the Muslim leadership.
Another great frustration to Christians is the government-issued identity card. From the time of birth, every Egyptian citizen is issued an identity card that states his or her religion. The card will either state Muslim or Christian. If one has a card bearing the identity of Christian on it, they are discriminated against in terms of jobs, and many things similar to the 1960 civil rights offenses toward African Americans. Non-Muslims may change their identity to read "Muslim" but Muslims are not allowed to change their identity to read "Christian." Moreover, there are no restrictions on non-Muslims converting to Islam, but Muslims face serious legal problems and social pressure if they convert. While there have been no recent charges brought against converts in the past two years, previously the government has used provisions in the penal code that prohibit falsifying documents as a means to punish converts who attempted to change their religious affiliation. A common charge that had been brought against converts cites the penal code violation that prohibits religion to "ignite strife, degrade any of the heavenly religions, or harm national unity or social peace."
International Christian Concern visited Egypt early in 1998 to assess the persecution of Christians. In a separate visit to Egypt by clergymen from the New York City Council of Churches, after having only government arranged meetings, it was falsely reported that there is no government sponsored persecution. To the contrary, the ICC delegation received numerous reports from Christian leaders that the Egyptian government is indeed directly involved in persecuting Christians. Government surveillance of converts and pastors was a common complaint heard by the ICC delegation. A special branch of the secret police that is assigned to monitor the activities of drug dealers is also responsible for monitoring the activities of Christians.
Iran
This Muslim country along with Sudan and Saudi Arabia is ranked among the worst and most violent persecutors of Christians. The Iranian government continues to persecute those who openly proclaim their faith. In August of 1997 the Administrator of Osghofi Church was arrested and remained in prison until last December. He is not allowed to leave Iran and was arrested when he tried to follow his wife and child who had fled to the Netherlands. Also 20 to 30 Christians from a Church in Shiraz were arrested and remain in prison. The condition of these Christians is unknown.
Most of the evangelical churches in Iran have been forced to meet in secret since being threatened by the authorities. The threats are taken seriously since the murder of four Christian pastors in recent years. Their deaths were attributed to the government. Moreover, the church in Iran must constantly be on guard for government-paid spies who infiltrate the church. Christians are strictly forbidden from sharing their faith with Muslims. Pastors have been severely punished and their churches closed for having allowed Muslims in their church services.
Government brutality has become the common means of suppressing those who share the Gospel and those who convert to Christianity. Documented evidence indicates that there has been an escalation of persecution against converts since the May 1997 election of Sayed Mohammad Khatami as president. There have been reports since 1997 of several converts being arrested and tortured.
One Iranian convert to Christianity was injected with a radioactive material before being released so that he might die a slow death. Pastors, church leaders and converts are frequently targeted for assassination and are kept under heavy surveillance.
Pakistan
Muslims from within the Pakistani government and Islamic extremist groups continue in their attempt to Islamize all Pakistan. The infamous "blasphemy" laws (Penal codes 295-B&C) are used primarily against Christians as a means to oppress the Christian minority. The blasphemy laws are frequently used to settle grudges held by Muslims against Christians, using the mandated punishment of death as a means to retaliate against
Christians who have been wrongfully accused of having blasphemed the Prophet Mohammed or the Koran, the Muslims' holy book. A number of Christians are in prison or are under threat of being charged under Pakistan's blasphemy laws. Christian prisoners report having been subjected to harsh treatment, including severe torture. There have been several suspicious deaths of Christians while in detention.
On April 28, 1998, Ayub Masih was found guilty of blasphemy and sentenced to death. Masih was arrested on October 14, 1996 after allegedly telling a neighbor to read Salman Rushdie's novel, "The Satanic Verses," considered to be blaspheming Mohammed. While in court, an attempt was made on his life by Muslim gunmen. Due to international protests, the courts have yet to carry out the death sentence against a Christian. However, increasing pressure and threats against the judiciary by Muslim extremists heightens concern that the government may allow the execution of Ayub Masih to be carried out. Other Christians sentenced and then later acquitted, including 14-year-old Salamat Masih in 1996, have had to flee the country because of Muslim death threats. Under sharia law, a Muslim may kill a Christian and only be punished by having to pay the "diyat" (blood money) to the victim's family. However, should a Christian murder a Muslim, the Christian would be sentenced to death.
In May 1998, out of frustration, the popular Catholic human-rights advocate Bishop John Joseph took his own life as a protest of the increasing persecution against Christians. His suicide was sparked by the death sentence handed down against Ayub Masih and the government's refusal to abolish the blasphemy laws. As more than 10,000 mourners gathered for the Bishop's funeral, Muslim extremists attacked and burned Christian homes and shops, while shouting slogans in support of Pakistan's blasphemy laws.
Even if the government did abolish the blasphemy laws, the Federal Sharia Court has the authority to overturn any legislation that is deemed "inconsistent with Islamic belief." Members of the judiciary, although they themselves being Muslim, fear reprisals from Muslim extremists. In 1997, a Supreme Court judge was assassinated by extremists for having acquitted two Christians charged with blasphemy. As a result, it has become increasingly more difficult to find a lawyer to represent Christians and judges fear reprisals from extremists if they pass a fair judgement acquitting the accused. Nevertheless, ICC is encouraging the international community to pressure the government of Pakistan to abolish the blasphemy laws as well as the separate electorate system that further relegates Christians to live as second class citizens.
Evangelical Christians and converts experience the greatest persecution. Scores of Christians have been forced to flee their homes and are living in hiding, with most unable to return or able to find a way of escape to freedom outside the country.
Islamic extremists in Chapianwali have started a campaign targeted at persecuting the Christian minority. Just before Christmas 1997, a young Christian worker accused of blasphemy was beaten up by a Muslim cleric who charged into the church at Toba Tek Sing and desecrated crosses and Bibles in the church. In the same town, a 13-year-old boy was forced to convert to Islam and ordered to "never call yourself a Christian again or I'll shoot you." The boy is under police "protective custody" and the family has fled their home for safety.
Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia, having no constitution, is a Muslim monarchy under the leadership of King Fahd Bin Abd Al-Aziz. Saudi Arabia can be fairly described as the most repressive Muslim country in the world. By the end of the 7th century, Muslim raiders had either killed or expelled all Christians from the country. Today, churches are banned, prayer meetings in private homes are prohibited, Bibles are confiscated, and proclaiming the Gospel is punishable by such extreme measures as execution by beheading or life in prison. Any display of Christian symbols is entirely forbidden and the practice of Christianity even by foreigners is strictly prohibited, with a few exceptions.
The expatriate church, numbering over 30,000, is forced to meet in secret and the Saudi Muslims converting to Christianity, which are growing in number, are taking extreme measures to guard their identity in fear of severe reprisals from the government or family members. The government's religious police, the Mutawah, routinely searches for Christians holding Bible studies in their homes or otherwise sharing their faith in public. In 1997, two Filipinos who became Christians while in prison, were beheaded after being warned numerous times to halt their evangelistic activities and to stop leading Bible studies. Scores of expatriate Christians have been imprisoned and expelled on account of their beliefs. In June 1998, 31 believers were arrested in an apparent crackdown in Riyadh. ICC hosted the international coordinator for the underground house churches in Saudi Arabia and together initiated efforts in Washington that led to the release of all 31 in an unprecedented short period of time. Fortunately, all of them escaped the customary 70 lashes, but nevertheless were immediately deported. Many of them had been employed in Saudi Arabia for more than 10 years.
Christian leaders in Saudi Arabia are concerned that the government's actions of arresting and deporting Christians is a deliberate plan aimed at eliminating all Christian activities in Saudi Arabia.
Sudan
The degree of human suffering in Sudan is perhaps worse than all travesties committed by mankind during this century. As many as two million people have perished over the past ten years as a result of government instigated famine, genocide and military action. Millions of nonconforming Sudanese have been dislocated from their homes as thousands of villages have been destroyed and the survivors deprived of food and medical treatment.
Nearly one fourth of all the people in the south are Christians. These Christians have been subjected to forced conversions to Islam in exchange for food and "protection." However, many Muslims are converting to Christianity because of the suffering that they too have encountered at the hands of militant, government-sponsored Muslim forces.
Thirteen people are currently imprisoned in Khartoum and face possible execution for their alleged involvement in resisting the government's militant Islamic agenda. Christian convert Faisal Abadallah, detained since June 1997, remains in prison and is said to be suffering head pains and a kidney ailment due to beatings.
Among the most barbaric human rights violation is the decapitation of hands and feet from captured men who refuse to comply with demands imposed by raiding Muslim forces. Equally inhumane is the government's involvement in rounding up and marketing women and children as slaves. Young Christian children are forced to recite the Koran and are given Muslim names. The Christians of the fertile Nuba Mountain region are especially hard pressed and continue to be cut off from all international aid while being subjected to violent attacks by Sudan's military forces.
In a trip to Southern Sudan in May 1998, Britain's Baroness Caroline Cox uncovered widespread destruction and loss of life. Vast areas of northern Bahr-El-Ghazal were found to have been laid waste by Sudan's National Islamic Front (NIF) forces and government-backed Mujahadeen and Murahaleen. More than 160 people were found slain and many more are still missing. The bodies of a countless number of others were seen floating in the river. Hundreds were abducted, mostly children. Thousands of homes and crops were destroyed. On May 10, an early morning raid on the trading village of Abin Dau took residents by surprise. Sudan's Public Defense Force (PDF) and government-backed forces swept through the village. All escape routes were cut off and many terrified civilians perished. An estimated 30-40,000 survivors from the raids have fled to swamps and are living off of the roots of water lilies. The death toll among the survivors is rising daily due to starvation and disease.
Last year in Turkey five Islamic extremists bound, tortured, and killed three Christian religious workers.
In Malaysia the nation's highest court ruled that a Christian convert could not change her official religious affiliation without a ruling of apostasy in Sharia court — punishable by death or prison.
Earlier this year Christian converts in Bangladesh were beaten and expelled by Muslim villagers.
Last year in Sudan demonstrators demanded death for a British teacher — convicted and then deported — for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Mohammed."
In 2006 the Afghan government, which survives only because of allied military forces, sentenced a Christian convert to death, before allowing him to emigrate for reason of "mental illness."
In Nigeria last year a Muslim mob murdered ten Christians, injured scores more, and destroyed nine churches in response to a claim that a Christian student drew a cartoon of Mohammed on the mosque wall at school.
In Iraq in early March the body of kidnapped Chaldean Archbishop Paulus Faraj Rahho was discovered. Up to half of the prewar community of 1.2 or so million Iraqi Christians have fled abroad.
So it goes throughout the Islamic world. Not every Muslim hates Christians, Jews, and members of other faiths. And no, not every Muslim country persecutes religious minorities.
But pick any persecuting nation at random. There is a good chance that it will be Muslim, even if it is formally allied with the U.S. government.
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW that from the Western reaction. Right now, talk of interfaith dialogue and Muslim persecution is in the air.
Last November more than 300 Protestant leaders publicly asked for forgiveness for Christian sins against "our Muslim neighbors." Vatican officials and Islamic leaders have been meeting to plan an interfaith summit. President George W. Bush recently named a special envoy to the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference, which is dedicated to combating "Islamophobia."
Fine. But the first item on every agenda should be the fact that most Islamic nations persecute their religious minorities.
This matters because persecution is an affront to any faith which claims to speak on behalf of a loving God. The hypocrisy of Muslim regimes that complain about the treatment of their co-religionists in the West while brutalizing members of minority faiths at home is more rank than usual. Consider the predictable protests in these very same Islamic nations against the online release of Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders's film criticizing Islam.
Pervasive hostility and violence towards Christians and Jews provides a flourishing environment for Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists. The fact that most Muslims may not share these attitudes is irrelevant if they remain silent in the fact of violent attacks on members of other faiths.
Westerners need to speak truth to Muslim power. "Islamic aggression, hatred, and intolerance must be confronted, named and shamed," argues Jeff King, president of International Christian Concern (ICC).
CHRISTIANITY HAS HAD its own ugly historical persecutions, of course. But these days governments in "Christian" nations increasingly refuse to acknowledge their religious heritage, let alone persecute minority faiths.
That is almost never the case in Islamic countries — except, ironically, under ugly secular dictatorships in Syria and, formerly, Iraq. Even in Turkey Islamists are growing increasingly active.
In some majority-Muslim nations, like Kuwait, the government supports Islam but does not disturb other faiths. Christians generally don't proselytize, but are otherwise free. "We've never had any serious interference at all," Rev. Jerry Zandstra, a pastor at the National Evangelical Church, told me.
More often, however, Islamic governments enforce Islam. Keith Roderick of Christian Solidarity International speaks of "decades of violence, hatred, discrimination, and disenfranchisement."
Persecution is intense in many Islamic societies. Both the State Department and the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) single out Muslim nations as among the most serious persecutors.
International Christian Concern has created "The Hall of Shame," half of whose members are Muslim states. Even the less brutal Islamic nations usually offer inhospitable terrain for Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities.
Where to start? Saudi Arabia is essentially totalitarian. As ICC explains, Riyadh "has a zero tolerance policy towards other religions."
The State Department is more diplomatic, but no less clear: "There is no legal recognition of, or protection under the law for, freedom of religion, and it is severely restricted in practice."
In theory, private worship in Saudi Arabia is okay, but "this right was not always respected in practice and is not defined in law." Even if the monarchy is committed to modernizing Saudi society, freedom of conscience is on no one's agenda.
BRUTAL STATE REPRESSION also is evident in Iran, which targets Jews, Baha'is, Sufi Muslims, and Zoroastrians as well as Christians.
The ICC reports: "The 1990s [in Iran] were a time of severe persecution. Spies infiltrated congregations, and church buildings were seized or closed. Seven Christian leaders were martyred and others have had to flee for their lives."
Sudan's decades of civil strife and war have killed well in excess of a million people, many of them Christians, who are most populous in the South. Christians suffer discrimination and occasional persecution elsewhere in the country as well. Sharia is enforced in the North. Islam must be studied, even in private Christian schools, and conversion from Islam is punishable by death.
Pakistan makes ICC's Hall of Shame. Islamabad's blasphemy law criminalizes criticism of Islam and often penalizes Christians. Christian women are vulnerable under the Hudood Ordinances, which treat rape victims as adulteresses unless they can produce four male Muslim witnesses stating the contrary.
Pakistani mob attacks on Christians and Christian churches are rarely punished. Converts risk death, making foreign flight the only escape for some families. A Methodist pastor, Rev. Emanuel S. Khokha, told me that Muslims "blame us because Christians are linked to America. They blame us for Israel and the problem with the Palestinians. And they blame us because we are Christians."
Indonesia traditionally leavened Islam with tolerance, but recent government rules make it virtually impossible for Christians to build churches in majority-Muslim areas, i.e., most of the country. Three Sunday school teachers were convicted of the "Christianization" of Muslim children in a trial highlighted by mobs demanding the women's death.
Churches and Bible schools have been bombed and torched. In October 2005 a crowd beheaded three Christian school girls. The wife of the pastor of an evangelical church on Java lost a leg in a bombing in 2001, and a year later their home was burned down. As one Indonesian minister told me, being a Christian "is difficult" there.
Christians suffer in other Muslim lands — Brunei, for instance, as well as Gaza and the West Bank, Turkmenistan, Egypt, and Bangladesh. The amount of violence varies, but Islamic persecution of Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities is widespread.
Particularly shocking is persecution in both Afghanistan and Iraq, which were supposed to have been liberated by allied forces. Kabul's threatened execution of Christian convert Abdul Rahman in 2006 gained worldwide attention. Discrimination and persecution are increasingly evident. Acknowledges the State Department: "Condemnations of conversions from Islam and censorship increased concerns about citizens' ability to freely practice minority religions."
In Iraq, the government does not actively persecute, though Baha'is and Wahabbi Sunnis face some legal disabilities. But the collapse of Iraqi civil society has left Christians particularly vulnerable to criminal violence.
Even worse, Islamic extremists are consciously destroying the historic Christian community. Carl Moeller of Open Doors USA observes, "Christians are targeted specifically for being Christians."
There is occasional good news. A few years ago Indonesia's Moluccan Islands were aflame in a conflict that killed thousands and displaced hundreds of thousands. The Crisis Centre Dioceses of Ambonia celebrated the conflict's end "based on mutual understanding and readiness to forgive."
BUT THE MOLUCCAN ISLANDS' reconciliation was the outlier in the otherwise tragic and intractable problem of peaceful religious co-existence in Muslim lands.
There is no good foreign policy answer to religious persecution. As bad as it is, persecution isn't the same as terrorism when it comes to justifying military intervention. And enthusiasm for humanitarian warfare died in the rubble left by Iraqi IEDs and car bombs.
Increased private dialogue might help. Before Pope Benedict XVI visited Turkey, Ali Bardakoglu, head of Turkey's Directorate of Religious Affairs, warned would-be jihadis: "We Muslims condemn all types of violence and terror, regardless of whoever commits it against whosoever."
His remarks should be repeated in mosques around the world. Today a shocking number of Muslims choose violence and terror, and even more choose acquiescence to violence and terror. Although Christian persecution of Muslims belongs to history, "Muslim persecution of Christians and other religious minorities remains a present evil," notes Jim Jacobson of Christian Freedom International.
Only after suffering through significant sectarian injustices did Christians of all stripes learn to tolerate those who believed and thought differently. Millions of Muslims living in the West have benefited from that transformation. Islamic lands should similarly transform themselves.
By Doug Bandow http://www.spectator.org
Doug Bandow is a former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan and the author of Beyond Good Intentions: A Biblical View of Politics (Crossway Publishers).
To Marie
This is in reply to Comment ID #27385
October 14, 2009 • 2:45 am
You stated ["Doug Bandow is a former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan and the author of Beyond Good Intentions: A Biblical View of Politics (Crossway Publishers)."]
++ The above article is biased and does not reflect the facts. Its author accept bribes to distort the truth. That what he does for living. Anyway, Isolated incidents by some so called Muslims or by so called Islamic countries can not and will never reflect the true teachings of Islam.
++ Douglas (Doug) Bandow (born ca. 1954) is a former columnist with Copley News Service and a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. He resigned from Cato in 2005 due a scandal involving payments for columns from lobbyist Jack Abramoff and wrote about it in the Los Angeles Times.
++ Bandow resigned from Cato on December 15, 2005, after admitting he accepted payments from Abramoff — in return for publishing articles favorable to Abramoff's clients over a period of approximately ten years. He has referred to these activities as "a lapse of judgment," saying that he accepted payments for "between 12 and 24 articles" over a period of years. He stepped down after Business Week Online contacted the Cato Institute to probe news of possible payments. He typically received on the order of $2,000 per article.[3]
++ Copley News Service, which carried Doug Bandow's syndicated column, suspended him immediately after the payola news became public. National Society of Newspaper Columnists President Suzette Martinez Standring said his action "isn't a lapse in judgment, it’s soul-selling. With so much practice at tweaking copy for others, I’m sure the advertising industry will welcome him.
++ How can a person take an article posted by Marie in her Comment ID #27385 as truthful when it was written by a corrupted journalist who accepts bribes to misrepresent the truth? No one in his/her logical mind would accept such manipulation and be convinced that events mentioned in the article are accurate.
++ Marie, do yourself a favor, go back to school and learn how to present the truth. You must get the facts straight and stop wasting our time. If you want the truth, then seek the truth. If you want facts, then mention only facts without manipulation. If you want to lie, then keep it to yourself. But never ever try to insult our intelligence.
It seems Ali Sina really deserves a Doctoral degree. But alas no any university will give him this honor. Maintaining such a wast web site with careful words and quotations is really a sweating job. How some people here on discussion could tell that he is jobless? He – Ali Sina is running an online university which does not grant degrees and PhD. It is open to every body.
Hey Truth and MH good evening there,
Both of you also doing hard work searching the pages of Koran and Hadith. What a healthy discussion I have found here!(if some people don't use insane words). I'm happy to be here because unlike other Blog discussion platforms I found this one full of very informative. To discuss here is not easy cos wise people are watching across the globe. On other discussion boards so many teenagers,fools etc etc spill blah blah without any base and reason. The discussion here is like skimming the milk which gives butter out of it. The butter of knowledge. Now it's the duty of both- believers and non believers to keep it healthy.
Thanks every body
To the Truth in reaction to your post 27393.
You stated:
++ The above article is biased and does not reflect the facts. Its author accept bribes to distort the truth. That is what he does for living.”
Answer: Doug bandow indeed was convicted for accepting bribes for 12 to 24 articles for $ 2000,– each. This was for 10 years long, until 2005, and has stopped now. So your claim that he does that for a living is plainly not the truth.
You stated:
++ How can a person take an article posted by Marie in her Comment ID #27385 as truthful when it was written by a corrupted journalist who accepts bribes to misrepresent the truth? No one in his/her logical mind would accept such manipulation and be convinced that events mentioned in the article are accurate."
Answer: This Doug Bandow wrote and still writes a lot of articles and books, for a lot longer than those 10 years. On wikipedia we find that he was bribed for 12-24 articles and these were written in favor of what Mr. Abramoff lobbyt for. For example mr Bandow wrote something about Choctaw Indians and their gambling facilities.
That he wrote some biased articles does not mean that this article that Marie provided was inaccurate. That still is something you have to prove. You are now merely assuming and giving your opinion.
Anyway most or all of the mentioned facts and situations are verifiable and in fact we already have heard a lot about them. And we can find these facts somewhere else easily. Maybe you can stop this to be believed in a disingenuous way, but FFI has patience and gives out information every day, so trying to discredit it in this way is futile
It looks like it that just because the facts that were mentioned were not to your liking you focused on the writer, performed character assassination, and threw ALL of the evidence out the window, which is highly illogical and NOT searching for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And you call yourself The Truth!
Question–did mohammed come to earth to follow human customs or to set an example to mankind. How could a prophet marry, let alone marry a 6 year old little girl. DONT you dare say it was a custom back then. Did the little girl have any say to this, did she even understand what marriage was, did she understand what marriage is going to do to her private parts.
Aisha, was never able to have children, becasue mohammed tore her vigina.. Please read medical documentation regarding pedophilla and child bearing for these little girls. infact look in Yemen and Somalia for what is happen under islam to little girls. Mohammed was a PEDOPHILE who could not resist seeing a beautiful baby girl. SHAME ON THIS MONSTER PROPHET that muslims hold to their highest standand.
Just image giving your infant 6 year old daughter to a 57 year old bearded man called a prophet. A child knows better than you muslims who raises their swords when their hear about their prophet being a pedo without even understanding the consequenses of this evil man called mohammed.
utin – Muslims will say , Pedo MO Married that 6yr old and ???? her @9 . So it is legal and PEDO MO is not a Pedo. Moreover who are we do decide , what a Holy dik should do and should not do , The Pimp ALLAH had granted PEDO MO to do what ever he wanted. You can't reason with a Muslim – take it easy.
The Truth:
++ The above article is biased and does not reflect the facts. Its author accept bribes to distort the truth. That what he does for living. Anyway, Isolated incidents by some so called Muslims or by so called Islamic countries can not and will never reflect the true teachings of Islam.
++ Douglas (Doug) Bandow (born ca. 1954) is a former columnist with Copley News Service and a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. He resigned from Cato in 2005 due a scandal involving payments for columns from lobbyist Jack Abramoff and wrote about it in the Los Angeles Times.
++ Bandow resigned from Cato on December 15, 2005, after admitting he accepted payments from Abramoff — in return for publishing articles favorable to Abramoff’s clients over a period of approximately ten years. He has referred to these activities as “a lapse of judgment,” saying that he accepted payments for “between 12 and 24 articles” over a period of years. He stepped down after Business Week Online contacted the Cato Institute to probe news of possible payments. He typically received on the order of $2,000 per article.[3]
++ Copley News Service, which carried Doug Bandow’s syndicated column, suspended him immediately after the payola news became public. National Society of Newspaper Columnists President Suzette Martinez Standring said his action “isn’t a lapse in judgment, it’s soul-selling. With so much practice at tweaking copy for others, I’m sure the advertising industry will welcome him.
++ How can a person take an article posted by Marie in her Comment ID #27385 as truthful when it was written by a corrupted journalist who accepts bribes to misrepresent the truth? No one in his/her logical mind would accept such manipulation and be convinced that events mentioned in the article are accurate.
++ Marie, do yourself a favor, go back to school and learn how to present the truth. You must get the facts straight and stop wasting our time. If you want the truth, then seek the truth. If you want facts, then mention only facts without manipulation. If you want to lie, then keep it to yourself. But never ever try to insult our intelligence.
I say:
From the CATO Institute:
http://www.cato.org/people/bandow.html
Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, specializing in foreign policy and civil liberties. He worked as special assistant to President Reagan and editor of the political magazine Inquiry. He writes regularly for leading publications such as Fortune magazine and speaks frequently at academic conferences, on college campuses, and to business groups. Bandow has been a regular commentator on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel, and MSNBC. He holds a J.D. from Stanford University.
To Marie
This is in reply to Comment ID #27581
October 14, 2009 • 10:41 pm
You stated["Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, specializing in foreign policy and civil liberties. He worked as special assistant to President Reagan and editor of the political magazine Inquiry. He writes regularly for leading publications such as Fortune magazine and speaks frequently at academic conferences, on college campuses, and to business groups. Bandow has been a regular commentator on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel, and MSNBC. He holds a J.D. from Stanford University.]
++This does not mean he did not accept bribes and manipulated the truth. He sold his soul to the devil and accepted money to fabricate the facts. According to Statistics, if he has done it at least 20 times, most likely he will be doing it again. Check the web site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Bandow for more true facts about your fake hero Doug Bandow.
To Demsci
This is in reply to Comment ID #27514
October 14, 2009 • 6:08 pm
—-You staed ["Doug bandow indeed was convicted for accepting bribes for 12 to 24 articles for $ 2000,– each. This was for 10 years long, until 2005, and has stopped now. So your claim that he does that for a living is plainly not the truth."]
++ How do you know that he stopped now? Simply because he says so, that does not make a fact. His articles do not reflect such assessment. Facts Fabrications is written all over his articles. Facts must be presented without biased and prejudice. That was not proven to be the case with his articles.
To Demsci
This is in reply to Comment ID #27514
October 14, 2009 • 6:08 pm
—-You stated ["That he wrote some biased articles does not mean that this article that Marie provided was inaccurate. That still is something you have to prove. You are now merely assuming and giving your opinion."]
++No Demsci. You are wrong. It only takes one lie for any person to lose his/her credibility. There is no second chance for any person who fabricates and distorts the truth. Doug Bandow sold his soul to the devil. He accepted money to distort the truth. Regardless what you or others think about him, he is just a fraud just like Ali Sinner.
The Truth:
++This does not mean he did not accept bribes and manipulated the truth. He sold his soul to the devil and accepted money to fabricate the facts. According to Statistics, if he has done it at least 20 times, most likely he will be doing it again. Check the web site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Bandow for more true facts about your fake hero Doug Bandow.
I say:
Just because he took bribes does not make him dishonest in everything he does. He was a senior fellow at the CATO Institute specializing in foreign police and and civil liberties, a respectable organization and served as special assistant to President Reagan. I believe he is qualified to speak out against persecution of nonmuslims in Muslim countries.
The Truth:
++No Demsci. You are wrong. It only takes one lie for any person to lose his/her credibility. There is no second chance for any person who fabricates and distorts the truth. Doug Bandow sold his soul to the devil. He accepted money to distort the truth. Regardless what you or others think about him, he is just a fraud just like Ali Sinner.
I say:
Mr. Bandow is not perfect. He makes mistakes like the rest of us. But the fact the Reagan hired Bandow into his administration meant that he was trustworthy to work in the White House.
The Truth,
you have such high standards, you are so harsh for people. Most of us believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. So Bandow was indeed proven guilty, but he served his sentence, and now he is innocent again until proven guilty. His credibility was indeed destroyed, but now he should be allowed to rebuild it, and now he knows he will be carefully monitored.
If your attitude were applied to a convicted felon, how would that felon after serving his sentence, ever be employed again?
It is too harsh to say: How do you know he stopped? Just because he said so does not make it a fact. No, How do YOU, The Truth, know that he stooped to fabrication and distortion again? You don’t, you just assume that. It is your opinion.
And about Ali Sina being a fraud? I think you ignore his passion, commitment to fighting for freedom against tyranny, in the face of many death-threats. Of course you think Ali Sina is misguided, deluded, that I see, but it is so gross, so improbable, to say that his motivation is mere money. That would make him both a very stupid and suicidal person.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/father-zakaria-…
According to Muslim Hadiths, Muhammads pedophilic behavior was not limited to Aisha. In fact he even abused his own daughter Fatima and his grand children, Hassan and Hussain.
Father Zakaria Botros on “The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet,” Part II writes:
“No less than 20 Islamic sources—such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal—relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls.”
Botros proceeded to read aloud from various sources, such as a hadith relayed by Abu Hurreira (deemed an extremely reliable narrator), where Muhammad sucked on the tongues of his cousin (and future caliph) Ali’s two boys, Hassan and Hussein—they of revered Shia memory.
Next he read a hadith of Muhammad sucking on the tongue of his own daughter, Fatima. Fr Botros also added that the Arabic word for “suck” (muss) cannot, as some apologists insist, mean anything but “suck.” “After all,” added the perspicacious priest, “this is the same word used when discussing Muhammad’s ‘activities’ with his wives, especially his beloved child-bride, Aisha.”
With an extremely disgusted look on his face, Botros turned towards the camera and said: “Dear lady, imagine, for a moment, coming home to find your husband sucking on your daughter’s tongue? What would you do? It’s even worse: it’s your prophet—the most “morally upright” man, a man to be emulated by the world! A man who on record used to go around sucking the tongues of his wives, his daughters, and young boys: Are these the activities of the man described in the Koran as being the pinnacle of moral perfection?”
Cohost: “More!”
“Muhammad would not sleep until he kissed his daughter Fatima and nuzzled his face in her bosom [the priest provided the appropriate sources]. Dear lady! what would you say to your husband sleeping with his face in your daughter’s breast—is that the height of morality?!”
At this point, Fr Botros, looking downcast, began apologizing profusely, saying he could only imagine how all these anecdotes must be troubling for Muslims, to which the co-host reassured him: “It’s not your fault, father, but rather the fault of those Muslims recording these vile incidences. Either way: Muslims must know. More please.”
Botros continued reading more revealing hadiths, including one from the Musnad of Ahmad bin Hanbal, which records Muhammad seeing a 2-3 year old girl in her mother’s arms. Muhammad was so “impressed” by her that he said, “By Allah, if this girl reaches marrying age and I am still alive, I will surely marry her.”
Another hadith goes on to say that Muhammad ended up dying before this particular girl reached marriage age, to which the by now vexed priest, unable to contain himself, exclaimed, “Awwww! Poor prophet! He missed one!”
Botros then told viewers to keep this last hadith in mind, for “context,” as he read another hadith from the Sunan of Bin Said, which records Muhammad saying “I hugged so-and-so when she was a child and found that I greatly desired her.”
“What prophet is this you follow?!” cried the outraged Coptic priest. “Where is his morality? This is the man that Muslims follow slavishly? Use your minds!”
It was late in the night, yet Fr Botros was not done cataloging his findings regarding the prophet’s “sexual” habits (these shows are an hour and a half long). So, when he moved on to a hadith depicting Muhammad lying next to a dead woman in her grave, as well as pointing to hadith categories called “intercourse with a dead woman,” I happily turned off the satellite and called it a night—till this moment, as I am (somewhat reluctantly) revisiting my notes to prepare this report.
The more you uncover Muhammad’s past; the more shocking it is.