Naming a child as Muhammad, Mohammad, Mohammed Or Any Other Variation is Improper

Jake Neuman

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  1. Steve says:

    “In dealing with enemies, “Jesus” vacillates between naive passivity and vindictive intransigence. The pagans had a clearer and more realistic grasp on reality.”
    Okay, thanks.
    “However these philosophers could`nt win the world but the Godman allegedly did.
    After victory over the Roman paganism, result of four centuries of struggle Christianity was finally free. The major adversary, the Roman State religion, which stretched its existence until the beginning of the fifth century could not prevent the emergence of Christianity.
    How do you explain that.” Not by the holy sprit that’s for sure! “Psycho-Terrorism
    The Roman Empire lasted more than a thousand years and persecuted Christians for fewer than twelve of them. The ‘Christian Empire’ also lasted more than a thousand years and persecuted non-Christians through all of them.

    Until the early years of the 2nd century, Roman administrators were ignorant of the existence of the Christians. For a generation that followed they remained indifferent to this obscure ‘Jewish’ sect (and its many different factions) but, in time, this indifference gave way to contempt and then irritation.

    The still marginal but growing numbers of Christians turned the misfortunes of the Roman world to their advantage. The radicals directed their energies towards frightened widows and abandoned children, towards the slave and criminal classes. Every defeat in battle, every pestilence and natural calamity, was seized upon as evidence of divine censure and retribution. With zeal and anticipation, the Christians predicted further ruin and desolation. Among the feckless peoples of the great cities, the fear of imminent judgement and the threat of eternal torment were spread like a contagion. Only by submission to Christ could the individual hope for salvation. “Babylon” would surely fall and most of humanity would perish.

    Yet it was only when the empire was itself in peril that the Roman state acted violently against the enthusiasts of Christ, and only then because the obstinate prejudices of the zealots undermined desperate measures taken to defend Roman civilization.

    Bad is Good

    By concerted psycho-terrorism the Christians demoralised a population immeasurably larger than their own diminutive numbers. Ultimately, the self-confidence and majestic pride of Rome, which had wrested a world from the barbarian, was sapped and eroded by the partisans of Christ. By the mid-years of the 3rd century the empire began fragmenting, with separatist regimes in Gaul and Syria, and its only recourse was to lurch into military despotism and a corporate state.

    The 3rd century was an age of chronic instability for the Roman world. After the corruption introduced by the Syrian monarchs first the Praetorian Guard and then the frontier Legions intervened repeatedly in the making and breaking of emperors.

    This militarisation of the state was reflected in the church itself, which, by the late 3rd century, had purged itself of independent minds and had replaced democratic elements by disciplined hierarchy. The defeated factions, like mutinous bodies of troops, seceded and continued a resistance. The main body of the church, committed to the ‘orthodoxy’ of international organisation if not yet the ‘orthodoxy’ of doctrine, confronted the Roman State as a “Republic within the Republic”, with its own treasury, laws, magistrates and command structure.

    When, in the early 4th century, reluctant emperors attempted to eradicate the public menace it was too late. Though the Christians constituted perhaps five per cent of the population they were concentrated in enclaves in the key cities of the east. When the churches were closed the imperial palace at Nicomedia was twice fire bombed. When the zealots were arrested, an ambitious prince in the west, Constantine, made the fanatics of Christ the subject of his patronage and protection.”

    So that is how Christianity spread. http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/persecutions.html
    Also the Godman himself is nothing but a myth and in fact there was many different views of who and what “Jesus” was – In fact the early Christians did not even believe in a flesh and blood Jesus!

    ” For early Christians, Christ had NO physical existence. For them, he was not born, nor did he die.

    “Jesus” in the early Gnostic gospels (Gospel of Thomas, Odes of Solomon, etc. ) is a teacher, a guide to spiritual development. He is placed in no historical context nor is he crucified.

    Christ was the spirit or wisdom of God, present in all things. To attain self knowledge was to know “Christ.”

    “Mainstream Christianity maintains the deceit that its collection of Jesus anecdotes and incidents are reports of actual comings and goings of their godman and were told “from the beginning” by his followers and fans.

    Collectively they buttress the falsehood that what passes for mainstream Christianity or “orthodoxy” originated with JC himself (rather than in the 4th century with the newly empowered hierarchs of the Church).

    With this lie in place, all the alternative stories told for 300 years by “heterodox” opponents, necessarily had to be denounced as pious fantasy. Were the heterodox to be the only liars it would indeed be curious. For it would mean that all the foremost Christian writers for over three centuries – without exception leaders and bishops of their Christian fraternities – wilfully suppressed an obvious and divine truth and chose instead to invent their own exotic fantasies.”

    “The first Christian books – earlier than the synoptic gospels.

    52 manuscripts, sewn into 13 books … a priceless Gnostic library, hidden from the pyromaniacs of orthodoxy for 1600 years”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/gnostic.html

    “The literature of the world is filled with invented characters. With good reason it is called fiction. Jesus did not produce the Church. The Church produced its own self-serving fiction: the story of Jesus. In the early decades of the 2nd century, that is within less than a hundred years of the supposed life and death of a human saviour, the Christians that we know of were propagating the cause of a wholly spiritual Christ. If this Christ were accorded a life at all, it was in mythic “ancient times.”

    In the two centuries that followed, a number of individuals contributed to the process of anthropomorphizing their celestial hero into the flesh and blood miracle-worker known to all.”Jesus of Nazareth” never lived but his life was invented to underpin adoration of the ineffable cosmic Christ and obedience to his worldly taskmaster, Holy Mother Church.

    That Christ would also grow, in step with the authority and majesty of the Church, from an ’emanation’ or messenger of God into an eternal, co-creator of the universe. But it was not the aeons of ethereal eternity that would be turned into a pageant for the lost and gullible. In the scattered communities, ghettoes, and slums of the Roman Empire it was an ancient tale of sacrifice and re-birth that would be dressed up in new Christian clothes.”

    Even the apostle Paul did not believe in a physical Jesus but a spiritual Jesus!

    “Paul records not one thing from an earthly life of his saviour. In all of the thirteen epistles ascribed to Paul he quotes not a single saying of Jesus. Throughout his letters Paul refers to a spiritual Christ whose redeeming sacrifice had conquered death. For Paul and the other early Christians, Christ was not a human being, but an “apparition”, an emanation from God, whose Word, indeed, spoke through him. And when he spoke it was of the “End Time” and imminent Judgement Day.

    Pared down to its essentials Paul’s gnostic logic argued: from time immemorial “Christos” had been the Son of God. This Christos had sacrificed himself in a remote past in order to be reborn within man. His “resurrection” and “life” are realized again within initiates such as Paul himself and those who accept him.

    It surely is a tad more than curious than none of the other documents more or less contemporary with Paul’s epistles – Shepherd of Hermas, Didache, 1 Clement, Revelation of St John, epistle to the Hebrews, epistle of Barnabas – say anything from the “Jesus of Nazareth” fairy tale known to every child today.

    Is it not more than reasonable to suggest that at this stage the story had not yet been fabricated?”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/beginnings.html

  2. A.H. says:

    “In dealing with enemies, “Jesus” vacillates between naive passivity and vindictive intransigence. The pagans had a clearer and more realistic grasp on reality.”

    Okay, thanks.

    However these philosophers could`nt win the world but the Godman allegedly did.

    After victory over the Roman paganism, result of four centuries of struggle Christianity was finally free. The major adversary, the Roman State religion, which stretched its existence until the beginning of the fifth century could not prevent the emergence of Christianity.

    How do you explain that.

  3. Steve says:

    +A.H.

    “Which stoic philosophers taught that so explicitly?”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/seneca.html

    “Pagans Knew Better

    Enemies

    In dealing with enemies, “Jesus” vacillates between naive passivity and vindictive intransigence. The pagans had a clearer and more realistic grasp on reality.

    Pagans

    “Who is there among us who does not admire Lykourgos of Sparta, in his response to being blinded in one eye by a fellow-citizen. The people handed the young man over to him, to take whatever vengeance he wanted. He refrained from any retaliation in kind, but educated him and made a good man of him.”
    – Epictetus, Encheiridion 5.

    “Someone gets angry with you. Challenge him with kindness in return. Enmity immediately tumbles away when one side lets it fall.” – Seneca, De Ira, 2

    “It’s a pitiably small-minded person who gives bite for bite.” – Seneca, De Ira, 11

    ” We shall never desist from working for the common good, helping one another, and even our enemies, till our helping hand is stricken with age.” – Seneca, De Otio

    “It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen; that is the common right of humanity.”

    – Seneca the Elder

    “For five centuries, Stoicism was the dominant philosophy of the Romano-Hellenic world. Rome’s educated elite found this import much to its taste. Stoicism was admirably suited to the builders of empire. It urged a dutiful self-discipline, detachment from the feckless passions, steadfastness in friendship and fortitude in adversity. It reasoned that all men were the offspring of God and therefore brothers, each deserving of compassion and justice. Stoicism made no vain promises of a life beyond the grave, though some Stoics thought it a possibility. Happiness was to be found within, in this life. Stoicism was manly, rational, and temperate. Its reward was virtue – “the highest good” – and perhaps the honour of a noble house.

    Stoicism originated on the island of Cyprus with Zeno of Citium at the zenith of Greek expansion in the late 4th century BC, when the old gods were already in decay and rational thought in the ascendant. It took its name from the ‘Stoa’, or colonnade, at Athens where Zeno taught. Though pantheistic – conjecturing God as present in all things and not transcendent – Stoicism provided many of the building blocks out of which the early Christians built their religion.

    Indeed, the first “pagan” Christians had trained in the Stoic tradition (Pantaenus, Clement, et al) and carried into the new faith the asceticism, seclusion, coarse dress and hirsute appearance which were all the marks of the Stoic sage on his way to “Perfection”.

    Stoicism furnished the Christians with theory as well as practice. Zeno’s primary agent of creation, a material “Mind” in the guise of an ethereal yet vivifying “fire”, had by the age of Cleanthes (mid-3rd century BC), become “pneuma” or “spirit” – and would show up as the “fiery Holy Spirit” of Pentecost.”

    So anything (good) that the Godman allegedly taught did not originate with him but was taught by pagan philosophers for centuries (before Christianity).

  4. A.H. says:

    “Do you know that the teachings of love your enemy did not originate with Jesus but was taught by stoic philosophers at least 5 hundred years before Jesus is alleged to have taught it?”

    Which stoic philosophers taught that so explicitly?

  5. Steve says:

    @Stanley

    “Steve… as regarding the mention of violent passages in the Bible, is it an historical description of a war or battle or is it a command to go and kill anyone who does not believe in your faith?” The Christians who waged war on the pagan nations and who enslaved, killed and raped them and who destroyed their places of worship certainly thought so – unless you think God had a personality transplant and now he loves everyone and people can worship any God or gods they want and he no longer gets jealous?

    “However one should look at the command to love and serve others as well as the mercy, grace, forgiveness p
    assages mentioned. ” Which does NOT apply to unbelievers and Paul also says Christians should not have relationships with unbelievers – just like Muhammad says not to take non-Muslims as friends.

    “Now please compare those to any other religious book and tell me which comes out on top.” EVERYTHING good that is in the bible was said by others philosophers hundreds of years before Jesus was said to have lived. NONE of the good things Jesus preaches are original.

  6. stanley says:

    The falsity of Islam can be deduced through common sense, eg… they have a law that whoever leaves Islam must be killed. Now why would a true religion operate like the Mafia or gangster code? Truth is light and light is never afraid of darkness. If Islam is true then it will not fear opposition, becuase truth can never be defeated.

  7. stanley says:

    Steve… as regarding the mention of violent passages in the Bible, is it an historical description of a war or battle or is it a command to go and kill anyone who does not believe in your faith? The bible is a large book containing histories of nations, so therfore it must mention wars and battles- that in itself is neither bad or good- it is just telling us what happened. However one should look at the command to love and serve others as well as the mercy, grace, forgiveness p
    assages mentioned. Now please compare those to any other religious book and tell me which comes out on top.

  8. ECAW's blog says:

    Regarding the insinuation of pro-Islamic propaganda into Western school curricula, I sometimes sent a link Ali Sina’s “A Short Biography of Muhammad” to head teachers as an alternative to the their current sources. One even replied!

    Unfortunately the link has been broken for some time. I hope it will reappear in due course.

  9. Steve says:

    @Passive Observer

    “Only the millions of Christian oriented NGOs including 700,000 nuns are slowly but steadily building a better world to live in. They run millions of schools, colleges, universities, hospitals, clinics, home for the aged, home for the orphans, in 190 countries.” Funny that while the church ruled Christendom was like Afghanistan under the Taliban? Only after social reform and Christianity being de-fanged did Europe start to progress. “Imagine a world run by the “Taliban” for a thousand years. Imagine every civic amenity, every theatre, every stadium and every leisure centre either destroyed or consecrated to God.
    Imagine women confined to domestic slavery, imagine unbelievers tortured to death, imagine education and science dismissed as an irrelevance and the only approved learning study of the Holy Book.

    Imagine the only cure for sickness is prayer and imagine men dying in almost continuous Holy War.

    Stop imagining. You are thinking of Christian Europe. It’s not a dream. It’s history.” http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world1.html

    “Jesus said “You shall know them by their fruits” Mathew 7:15-20)” Yes and when Europe was ruled by Christianity it was (to borrow from Trump) a shit hole.

    “The so called ‘evil Bible’ has produced more than 800 Nobel laureates. This satisfies me.” Funny that on one hand you Christians claim all the bad stuff (which far outweighs the good teachings -which did not originate with Jesus by the way – “no longer applies”) but yet you want to credit that book of nonsense, barbarity and superstition).

    “Nelson Mandela, from the Dark Continent, was in prison for 27 years, yet he had forgiven the atrocious White Botha government.- This proves Jesus words transform people. This satisfies me.” Do you know that the teachings of love your enemy did not originate with Jesus but was taught by stoic philosophers at least 5 hundred years before Jesus is alleged to have taught it?

  10. Passive observer says:

    @Steve
    If an Atheist or a Humanist, 4000 years ago, had given something like Ten Commandments (at least the last seven commandments) or the Atheists like, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were able to establish equitable societies, without killing 1000 million people, the world have accepted Atheism and I would have given respect to Atheists. Nothing happened. Only the millions of Christian oriented NGOs including 700,000 nuns are slowly but steadily building a better world to live in. They run millions of schools, colleges, universities, hospitals, clinics, home for the aged, home for the orphans, in 190 countries. What the communist China could not do, the Christians are doing. Please read BBC Journalist’s article “China invests in Confident Christians”
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11020947
    It is true that China persecutes unregistered Christian churches.
    Jesus said “You shall know them by their fruits” Mathew 7:15-20)
    130 Christian majority countries, comparatively, live in peace. This satisfies me.
    The so called ‘evil Bible’ has produced more than 800 Nobel laureates. This satisfies me.
    Nelson Mandela, from the Dark Continent, was in prison for 27 years, yet he had forgiven the atrocious White Botha government.- This proves Jesus words transform people. This satisfies me.
    Steve I wish you should have read the Bible book ‘Philamon’. Only a three page letter, which is considered the best letter during the Roman era. Here a slave runs away from his master with stolen property. He met Paulin the prison and transformed. He goes back to the master. The master accepts him as a brother. (The slave sits in a sofa and drinks tea)
    This transformation speaks volumes about Jesus.

  11. Steve says:

    “Like TROP says – all your arguments are obvious nonsense to any even handed rational person. You obviously come to the subject with a massive predetermined bias. What is sad about this is that your line undermines the common front against Islamic supremacism and opens the door to it. Frankly you might as well be a Muslim for all the good your arguments do. (In fact I wonder if you actually are a secret Muslim – you are effectively fighting their corner).” Eh no. In civilised countries if you accuse somebody of a crime you have to have evidence if not you yourself are committing a crime (slander). Now according to the person who wrote this article the fact that Islamic books and sources contain violent, cruel and intolerant teachings is sufficient evidence that Muslim parents are abusing their children. If this is a sufficient reason for removing Muslim children from their parents (let’s ignore the unfeasibility of child protection agency’s removing millions of children) then by rights all Christian and Jewish kids should be removed also on account that their “holy books” contain similar violent, cruel and intolerant teachings.

  12. Steve says:

    “1) The bible is NOT the Koran – it does not claim to be the literal dictated word of God. Therefore it is improper to take an individual verse out of context.” Christians claim it is a historical record of what Jesus said and did. (And Jesus is alleged to have said the Old Testament also stands and he also believes in the stories and prophets of Old Testament literally). So how does it NOT contain the “literal word of God” in your opinion?

    2) “The most authoritative verses are the actual sayings of Jesus – and one of these stands out as a summary of the whole book. Matthew 22 36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” This commandment applies only to other believers NOT to unbelievers. It says in the Old Testament believers in other gods should be stoned to death. “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you … Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:6-10” Even family members who change their belief should be stoned to death so clearly unbelievers are not counted. And the New Testament also says “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? … Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord. 2 Corinthians 6:14-17” So clearly unbelievers are not considered neighbours – since they are not part of the community of believers.

    Also the bible contains countless contridictions and Jesus himself is a hypocrite- as he condemns his enemies to eternal hell and says they should be burnt and killed.

    @Steve,
    “If you deliberately misunderstand and pull things out of context and interpret things in a way no Orthodox Christian has in 2000 years then you are beyond reasonable argument.” Right apart from all the acts of violence that was committed in the name of Christ for centuries (and who claimed biblical support for their actions).

  13. Richard says:

    @Steve – A quick summary of why you are wrong.

    1) The bible is NOT the Koran – it does not claim to be the literal dictated word of God. Therefore it is improper to take an individual verse out of context.
    2) The most authoritative verses are the actual sayings of Jesus – and one of these stands out as a summary of the whole book. Matthew 22 36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
    Any interpretation of any biblical verse (including all your misinterpretations) that contradicts these verses is by definition wrong. (btw this verse is backed up by 1 John 4:20)

  14. Richard says:

    @Steve,
    If you deliberately misunderstand and pull things out of context and interpret things in a way no Orthodox Christian has in 2000 years then you are beyond reasonable argument.
    Like TROP says – all your arguments are obvious nonsense to any even handed rational person. You obviously come to the subject with a massive predetermined bias. What is sad about this is that your line undermines the common front against Islamic supremacism and opens the door to it. Frankly you might as well be a Muslim for all the good your arguments do. (In fact I wonder if you actually are a secret Muslim – you are effectively fighting their corner).
    The fact is that true Christians will defend humanists/atheists against islamic oppression. Are you prepared to do the same for Christians?
    http://blackchristiannews.com/2018/01/former-muslim-humanist-facing-death-threats-is-denied-uk-asylum-because-he-couldnt-identify-aristotle-and-aristotle/

  15. Steve says:

    Also Richard since this article talks about child abuse what about God sending his own (and only) son to be tortured and killed in order to convince himself to forgive humans -and himself for creating them sinful in the first place – (or at least those humans which accept the scape goat Jesus).? If that’s not child abuse I don’t know what is.

  16. Steve says:

    Cruel and violent bible verses (both new and Old Testament).

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

    “Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?
    (Repost with updated numbers 14 December 2015.)
    The LORD is a man of war. Exodus 15:3
    Fight in the way of Allah. Quran 2:244
    Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran? Is there a way to objectively answer such a question?

    Well, it wouldn’t be easy. But it is possible to compare the amount of cruelty and violence in the two books.

    Here is a summary of the highlighted verses in the SAB and SAQ.

    Number of Cruel or Violent Passages
    Bible 1321
    Quran 532
    So the Bible has more than twice as many cruel or violent passages as does the Quran. But the Bible is a much bigger book. How do they compare when size is taken into account?

    Violence and Cruelty Total verses Percent
    Bible 1321 31102 4.25
    Quran 532 6236 8.53
    When expressed as a percentage of cruel or violent verses (at least as marked in the SAB/Q), the Quran has twice that of the Bible. (8.53 vs. 4.25%)” http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.in/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

  17. Steve says:

    “The preamble to the page says the following:
    “It is not the purpose of this site to promote any particular religion,
    including Christianity. However, TROP does enjoy refuting nonsense,
    such as the claim that Muhammad and Jesus preached a
    morally equivalent message or that all religion is the same.”” Jesus’s “moral message” is the last day is coming and if you don’t abandon and hate your families and worship me as your lord and saviour then you and your community will burn when the day of judgement comes (in particular the Jews which is why antisemtism was rampant in Christendom for centuries). What is moral about that message? Nowhere does Jesus condemn rape, slavery, stoning, child abuse (children are to be killed for disobeying their parents), sexism, or any of the other horrors in the Old Testament in fact he says these laws hold for all time! And in addition he introduces the concept of eternal of hell which is where he will put his “enemies” (the Jews of his time who didn’t accept his delusional and grandiose claims that he was God on earth and the last day and judgement was imminent) for all eternity! (So much for loving and forgiving your enemies!)

  18. Richard says:

    ” Islam gets most of its “moral teachings” from the bible”-Citation needed.

    Most of the peaceful verses in the Koran are plagiarized from Jewish or Christian sources.
    However that is a long way from your claim.To see why your claim is so wrong please read this page:

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx

    The preamble to the page says the following:
    “It is not the purpose of this site to promote any particular religion,
    including Christianity. However, TROP does enjoy refuting nonsense,
    such as the claim that Muhammad and Jesus preached a
    morally equivalent message or that all religion is the same.”

  19. Steve says:

    “Read why Muslim parents who name their child after their evil Muhammad and teach the child – Islam should lose ALL custody of their child.” How much is that going to cost? Another article on this site is one of a psychologists saying how much an economic burden disabled Muslim children are (the result of inbreeding). So the cost of taking EVERY SINGLE Muslim child to the state would be astronomical.

    “In finishing, let me say that any school in the West that allows teaching of Islam to children will be guilty of child abuse hate crimes and due charges should be brought against them.” To be fair then schools teaching Judaism and Christianity (or a watered down humane version of them) should be charged with child abuse as well then (since Islam gets most of its “moral teachings” from the bible).

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