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Naming a child as Muhammad, Mohammad, Mohammed Or Any Other Variation is Improper – Faithfreedom.org

Naming a child as Muhammad, Mohammad, Mohammed Or Any Other Variation is Improper

Jake Neuman

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  1. Tom Cheria says:

    Pagans LOST big time – Get over it pal.

    Why cling to a civilization which couldn’t EVEN defend itself let alone prosper. Embrace science – survival of the fittest.

    Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% celebrate Christmas and TRY to live sinless like JESUS and where 99% reject allahTheSATAN.

    If Christians are so bad Why are non-Christians lining up Western Consulates to come into Christian West and live among Christians???

    65.5%(Less than 25% of the world’s population, i.e. considering all Christians and not just Western Christians) of the Nobel Prize Winners are Christians and another 25% are Jewish (Less than 1% of the population). Why worship allah who could not even help Muslims create a half decent civilization?

    I’m so proud of Western Christian Civilization even though I was not a Western Christian. Who is a better humanist than JESUS?? According to me the world’s best humanist is Jesus.

    Show me a civilization as great as WCC please.. I am so tried of WINNING.

    Dancing Dancing Dancing!

  2. Steve says:

    Phoenix

    “We could simply settle this if you can provide some sort of evidence that those pagan Romans had a type of manual/instruction sheets for moon landings.” Pagan Rome had science and medicine which was far more advanced than everything seen if Christian Europe for centuries (people was still throwing shit out of their windows onto the streets in the 16th century and collecting dirty water). This is because Christianity was a morbid cult which regards the holy bible – and prayer and superstition – to be the absolute truth. Anyone (“pagans”and “heretics”) or anything thing (science and rationalism) who disagreed with the church’s view of scripture was tortutred and burnt alive and pagan temples was burnt to the ground and there books burnt and banned. Without Christianity science and medicine would have been hundreds of years ahead so its not fanciful to think man would have been on the moon in the 7th century.

    “They did not destroy Aristotle’s physics texts, not Ptolemy’s astronomy texts, nor the mathematics of Boethius’ curriculum. As a matter of fact, the Church was the custodian of Aristotelian logic.” That’s why they burnt people alive then? Destroyed their temples? The Romans (“pagan”) books of medicine, philosophy and science was burnt and thought to be satanic and anyone found with them would be put to death. Now you Christians want to claim you are the champions of those pagan thinkers who the “holy church” declared satanic and evil?

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm

    “Legal basis for murder by the State

    “According to the apostolic teaching and the doctrine of the Gospel, let us believe in the one deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity.

    We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title of Catholic Christians; but as for the others, since, in our judgment they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics, and shall not presume to give to their conventicles the name of churches.

    They will suffer in the first place the chastisement of the divine condemnation and in the second the punishment of our authority which in accordance with the will of Heaven we shall decide to inflict.

    Given in Thessalonica on the third day from the calends of March, during the fifth consulate of Gratian Augustus and the first of TheodosiusAugustus.”

    “Torture Chambers

    ‘ For 1500 hundred years, the Christian Church systematically operated torture chambers throughout Europe. Torture was the rule, not the exception. Next to the Bible, the most influential and venerated book in Christian history was the Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of Witches), which was a step-by-step tutorial in how to torture “witches’ and “sorcerers”.

    David Mills (Science Shams & Bible Bloopers, p361)”

    “Just a few of the tortures that ‘heretics’ went through:

    • Skin flayed from head, face and body
    • Noses, nipples and breasts pulled off with red hot pinchers
    • Fried or boiled alive or roasted on a spit
    • Mouth slit back to ears
    • Crucified upside down
    • Thrown from windows on to spears
    • Arms cut off
    • Torturous slow burning, soles of feet, then up to ankles, mid-calf, etc.
    • Women stripped, hung from trees by their hair and scourged or left hanging by one leg until dead
    • Tourniquet placed on head and twisted until eyes came out

    • Ears bored out
    • Tongue cut out
    • Set down (by pulley) into a fire by degrees
    • Thrown to dogs
    • Hung up by the heels and choked with smoke
    • Disembowelled
    • Sharp instruments forced under nails and into other body parts
    • Racked until their bowels broke out
    • Throats cut with butcher knives
    • Knocked on the head with axes”

    So anyone who disagreed with just the nonsensical concept of the trinity was tortured and killed by the “holy church” in the most horrific way. Now you and the church want to take credit for pagan thinkers and scientists!

  3. Tom Cheria says:

    Pagans LOST – Get over it. Dancing Dancing Dancing.

    Why cling to a civilization which couldn’t defend itself. Embrace science – survival of the fittest.

    USA with just 3% of the population in 1960 had 40% of the world’s GDP. Dancing Dancing Dancing!!

    No sane person would say USA is part of Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheistic civilization.

    I am so tried of WINNING. LOL

  4. Tom Cheria says:

    Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% celebrate Christmas and99% reject allahTheSATAN.

    Show me a civilization as successful as WCC – until then I am dancing dancing dancing. I am so tired of winning.

    Why are non Christians lining up Western Consulates to live among Christians. LOL

    USA with just 3% of the population in 1960 had 40% of the world’s GDP. Dancing Dancing Dancing!!

    No sane person would say USA is part of Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheistic civilization.

    I am so tried of WINNING. LOL

  5. Face_The_Truth says:

    Phoenix says: Cheers

    ARE YOU A SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE OR A CHRISTIAN DOG???

    I WONDER WHY ARE THESE REPEATED “CHEERS” FOR!!!

    It is false, egregiously, so to state that “as the Christians burnt anything “pagan”. They did not destroy Aristotle’s physics texts, not Ptolemy’s astronomy texts, nor the mathematics of Boethius’ curriculum. As a matter of fact, the Church was the custodian of Aristotelian logic.

    NUMBER ONE:

    EARLY CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS DESTROYED ALL PAGAN STATUES AS WELL AS DELIBERATELY DESTROYED PAGAN LIBRARIES AND PAGAN ARCHIVES WITH ARSON AS WELL AS WIDESPREAD LOOTING.

    NUMBER TWO:

    EARLY CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS DID NOT LEAVE A TRACE IN THEIR SUPER-HOLY NEW TESTAMENT BY CITING THEIR WIDESPREAD WANTON DESTRUCTION OF PAGAN HERITAGES WHICH DID NOT SUPPORT CHRISTIAN FALSEHOODS.

    NUMBER THREE:

    EARLY CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS CONVERTED PAGAN SCHOOLS INTO CHRISTIAN CHURCHES WHERE PAGAN RELICS SUCH WRITINGS OF ARISTOTLE AND OTHER PAGAN SCHOLARS WERE DISCIVERED IN UNDERGROUND VAULTS.

    MOST OF THE PAGAN WORKS ACTUALLY WERE LOST FOREVER IN CHRISTIAN FRENZY OF JESUS F**KING CHRIST.

    WE ONLY HAVE BITS AND PIECES OF ANCIENT PAGAN RELIECS of ROMAN EMPIRE TODAY.

    WHO NEEDS THE CAREFUL PRESERVATION OF PAGAN SCHOLARSHIP WHEN ALL OF WORLD’S HUMANS NEED ARE THE ETERNAL TEACHINGS OF JESUS F**KING CHRIST.

    WHO NEEDS THE CAREFUL PRESERVATION OF PAGAN STATUES WHEN ALL OF WORLD’S HUMANS NEED IS INSIGNIA OF JESUS F**KING CHRIST HANGING ON THE GALLOWS (I.E., CROSS)

    UPON EVERY MILITARY VICTORY, MUSLIM INVADERS ARSONED “HINDU” LIBRARIES AND ARCHIVES IN INDIAN SUBCONTNENT IN ORDER TO WIPE OUT ANY PRE-EXISTING RECORDS OF PRE-EXISTING NON-ISLAMIC CIVILIZATION(S).

    HOWEVER, THAT DOESN’T ENTIRELY MEAN THAT, THERE ARE MANY “HINDU” SCRIPTURES THAT NEVER HAVE SURVIVED.

    ALSO, THAT DOES NOT AT ALL MEAN THAT, MUSLIMS INVADERS KNOWINGLY WANTED THOSE “HINDU” SCRIPTURES TO SURVIVE EITHER.

    TO SAY THAT, EARLY CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS WERE THE CAREFUL CUSTODIANS OF ALMOST LOST PAGAN SCHOLARSHIP IS TO SAY THAT A BURGLAR HAS BECOME A CAREFUL CUSTODIAN OF MY WIFE’S JEWELRY AFTER BURGLARIZING MY WIFE’S PALACIAL HOUSE.

    We could simply settle this if you can provide some sort of evidence that those pagan Romans had a type of manual/instruction sheets for moon landings!

    I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER THAT, ONE CANNOT PROVIDE CONCRETE EVIDENCE(S) OF A HYPOTHETICAL STATMENT.

    IF I SAY THAT, I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT A BEACH-FRONT PROPERTY, HAD WON THE BILLION-DOLLAR NEW YORK POWER-BALL.

    NOW, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER WILL PROBABLY ASK ME TO PROVIDE YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER WITH MY CONCRETE LEGAL STEPS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN — IN A WRITTEN-MANUAL — IN ORDER TO PURCHASE THE FANTASTIC BEACH-FRONT PROPERTY EVEN WHEN I HAVE NOT ACTUALLY WON THE POWER-BALL.

    My apologies, I read your post too fast. You’re referring to the geocentric vs heliocentric model and not the flat earth myth.
    Few points to consider:

    CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER LIKE YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH MEDIEVAL HISTORY.

    YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER TAKING THE CREDIT(S) FOR “INVENTING SCIENCE” WHILE REJECTING ALL HISTORICAL CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS’ UTMOST RELIGIOUS WORKS IN SUPPRESSING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SUPPRESSING FREEDOM OF FREE-THINKING, WHICH ARE PRE-CURSORS TO ANY SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.

    TO SAY THAT CHRISTIAN “GOD THE FATHER” AND THE “SON” AND THE “CHRISTIAN GHOST” ARE ALL FICTIONS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ANYONE BEING BURNED TO DEATH IN CHRISTIAN THEOCRATIC EUROPE DURING MEDIEVAL TIME.

    “STARTING IN 1593 A.D., GIORDANO FILIPPO BRUNO WAS TRIED FOR HERESY BY THE CHRISTIAN ROMAN INQUISITION ON CHARGES OF DENIAL OF SEVERAL CORE CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINES, INCLUDING ETERNAL DAMNATION, THE TRINITY, THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST, THE VIRGINITY OF MARY, AND TRANSUBSTANTIATION.

    THE INQUISITION FOUND GIORDANO FILIPPO BRUNO GUILTY, AND GIORDANO FILIPPO BRUNO WAS BURNED AT THE STAKE IN ROME’S CAMPO DE’ FIORI IN 1600 A.D.

    AFTER HIS DEATH, GIORDANO FILIPPO BRUNO GAINED CONSIDERABLE FAME, BEING PARTICULARLY CELEBRATED BY 19TH- AND EARLY 20TH-CENTURY COMMENTATORS WHO REGARDED GIORDANO FILIPPO BRUNO AS A MARTYR FOR SCIENCE!”

    AND, THAT WAS A WELL-DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF 1500 A.D., NOT A HISTORY OF 500 A.D. WHEN CHRISTIANISM WAS FIRMLY ESTABLISHED IN EUROPE IN THE BEGINNING.

    It was most likely another hypothetical statement since the surgical procedures in Europe during the Middle Ages were far more advanced and complex than that of the Pagan Romans.

    YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER ARE TRYING TO LECTURE ME THAT, MEDICAL-SURGICAL TECHNIQUES HAVE IMPOVED OVER THE COURSE OF CENTURIES.

    OF COURSE, IT DID.

    200 YEARS FROM NOW, MY GREAT-GREAT-GRAND-KIDS WOULD PROBABLY THINK OUR CURRENT 2018 A.D. MEDICAL-SURGICAL TECHNIQUES WERE ARCHAIC.

    AS TIME PASSES — WHETHER CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS SUPPRESSED OR NOT — HUMAN ENDEAVORS DID NOT STAY SOMNOLENT FOREVER.

    HOWEVER, THAT DOESN’T NULLIFY THE FACTS THAT, CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS DURING MEDIEVAL TIME TRIED ALL THEIR BEST TO KILL QUESTIONING MINDS IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE.

    You may believe in what ever out-dated myths you choose to but here are the facts:

    YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER NEED NOT WRITE ANOTHER CONDESCENDING REMARK LIKE THAT AGAIN.

    I DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST FOR BOTH SOLID AND VALID HISTORICAL REASONS.

    YOU ARE EITHER A SON OF CHRISTIAN WHORE OR A CHRISTIAN DOG.

    YOUR CHRISTIAN WHORE MOTHER OR YOUR CHRISTIAN DOG FATHER BELIEVES (ED) IN JESUS F**KING CHRIST.

    NOT ME.

    This myth has been debunked ages ago. It was in fact Jesuit priest astronomers who introduced the spherical round earth concept to asians.

    NICOLAUS COPERNICUS DID NOT WANT TO PUBLISH THE FACT THAT, THE SUN DOES NOT MOVE AROUND THE EARTH, FOR FEAR OF DEATH BY MEDIEVAL CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS.

    AND, THAT WAS THE 16TH CENTURY MEDIVAL EUROPE (I.E., LONG LONG AFTER RENAISSANCE).

    “NICOLAUS COPERNICUS WAS AWARE THAT THE ANCIENT GREEK ARISTARCHUS HAD ALREADY PROPOSED A HELIOCENTRIC THEORY, AND CITED GREEK ARISTARCHUS AS A PROPONENT OF IT IN A REFERENCE THAT WAS DELETED BEFORE PUBLICATION.”

    This is a red herring and a straw man, as it doesn’t refute the claim that Christians developed the scientific method…

    I SEE… YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER LOVE TAKING CREDIT FOR ALL HISTORICAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF HUMANS ON EARTH AS SCEINTIFIC DISCOVERIES OF CHRISTIANISM.

    Another straw man. The topic was regarding science in Europe during the Middle Ages, not Asia.

    THERE’S NO STRAW MAN HERE.

    YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER WAS ASKING FOR NON-CHRISTIAN LANDS WHERE SCIENCE HAS PROSPERED LEAPS AND BOUND IN ORDER TO SEND HUMANS TO THE MOON.

    AND, I IMPLIED THAT, SCIENTIFIC PROGRESS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR FICTITIOUS AND HARMFUL CHRISTIANISM, SINCE CHRISTIANISM WAS (IS) INHERENTLY UN-SCIENTIFIC FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

    I SHOWED REAL EXAMPLE OF PHILIPPINES WHERE OVER 90% CHRISTIAN POPULATIONS HAVE NOT INVENTED ANYTHING REVOLUTIOARY AS OF WRITING THIS POST.

    WHEREAS THE JAPANESE PEOPLE — EVEN NOT BEING CHRISTIANS FOR 3000 YEARS OR MORE — HAVE INVENTED SO MANY THINGS.

    I ALSO SHOWED TO YOU THAT, EUROPEAN WHITE CAUCASIAN PEOPLE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO SCIENTIFIC METHODOLGIES MORE THAN ANY OTHER RACE ON EARTH HAVE, WHICH PROVES THAT SCEINTIFIC DISCOVERIES WERE (ARE) NOT EQUALLY DISPERSED IN EVERY CORNER OF THE GLOBE.

    AND, PAGAN ROMANS WERE MOSTLY WHITE CAUCASIAN PEOPLE.

    PAGAN ROMAN EMPIRE WAS USURPED BY CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS LIKE YOU DURING MEDIVAL TIME IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A THEOCRATIC EUROPE WHERE RIGHTS CAME NOT FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, RATHER RIGHTS CAME FROM THE FICTITIOUS “DIVINE” (I.E., THE ALL-POWERFUL CHRISTIAN CHURCH).

    SO, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER IS TRYING TO GRASP A STRAW IN ORDER TO STAY AFLOAT INSTEAD OF BEING DROWNED WITH YOUR 2000 YEARS OLD CHRISTIAN LIES AND CHRISTIAN DEBAUCHERY.

  6. Phoenix says:

    Steve says:

    “Collapse of Ancient Medicine

    “There is only one Physician, Jesus Christ.”

    – St Ignatius (quoted by S. Argus, p305)//

    he is mot likely refering to soul healing than bodily healing, since he is known for having… “a global impact, having been the influence behind numerous Jesuit schools and educational institutions worldwide.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Loyola#Legacy

    Cheers

  7. Phoenix says:

    Steve

    I said:“Lastly, you have not explained why non-Christians nations failed to put man on the moon during the 5th century.”

    Your response:” Because the Christians burnt the scientific and medical achievements of the pagan Roman Empire to a crisp (as the Christians burnt anything “pagan” and the nonsense written in the so called holy bible was regarded as the only authority while reason and the scientific method was viewed as being satanic). It took tens of centuries for science, technology and medicine to recover and reach where it was before Christianity came to power. So it’s no exaggeration to say men would been on the moon over a thousand years before they actually was if the fanatics of Christ never came to power.”

    We could simply settle this if you can provide some sort of evidence that those pagan Romans had a type of manual/instruction sheets for moon landings. It is false, egregiously, so to state that “as the Christians burnt anything “pagan”. They did not destroy Aristotle’s physics texts, not Ptolemy’s astronomy texts, nor the mathematics of Boethius’ curriculum. As a matter of fact, the Church was the custodian of Aristotelian logic.

  8. Steve says:

    Phoenix said
    “It was most likely another hypothetical statement since the surgical procedures in Europe during the Middle Ages were far more advanced and complex than that of the Pagan Romans.”
    Reality check – again.

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ruin.html
    “Collapse of Ancient Medicine

    “There is only one Physician, Jesus Christ.”

    – St Ignatius (quoted by S. Argus, p305)

    Twilight:

    The triumph of ecclesiastic terrorism (see Death on the Nile) signalled the end of Alexandria as an intellectual centre. From the early 5th century onward this greatest metropolis of the Hellenic world dwindled into a Christianised backwater.

    With Christian dominion in Egypt came the burial of the dead and the loss of a practical knowledge which, for millennia, had been gained from the mummification of corpses. The victory of religious fanatics signalled the impending closure of the academies of secular study and with it, an end to the formal training of doctors. Any residual knowledge of ancient medical wisdom, passed on by practitioners, was condemned as ‘sorcery’ and this censure extended to attacks upon herbal remedies.

    With the victory of Christ, cleanliness and hygiene were themselves suspect. The Church condemned public bathing (as immoral and sinful) as energetically as it did the theatre, and encouraged the closure of the baths which had done so much to preserve public health in the great cities of the Roman world.

    ‘A clean body and clean clothes betoken an unclean mind.’

    (C. Freeman, p238)

    Thus spoke the ‘ascetic Paula’, a Roman aristocrat and Christian zealot, to the nuns she had gathered around her. St Jerome, Church luminary and author of the Vulgate Bible, echoed her sentiments:

    ‘He who has bathed in Christ does not need a second bath.’

    Church Father Tertullian found even shaving offensive to God. It was:

    ‘… a lie against our own faces, and an impious attempt to improve the works of the creator.’

    (Gibbon, ch. 15)

    But the Roman habit of daily bathing, such a quintessential feature of their culture, took centuries to die. During the 6th century reign of another Christian hero – Justinian – Constantinople’s public baths still functioned. But the numerous baths dated from an earlier age and they had never matched the spectacular structures of pagan Rome.

    In the largesse of Justinian’s early years the Bath of Zeuxippus was embellished and another built in the district of Hebdomon. But throughout his reign the Christian monarch’s preoccupation (and the empire’s wealth) was taken up with the construction of a plethora of costly churches, monasteries and convents.

    There were no ‘Baths of Justinian’ – Godliness came before cleanliness.

    Wars and civil turmoil interrupted urban water supply (and not only to the baths) throughout the Roman world. Starved of funds and with no new engineers being trained sophisticated maintenance of the baths became impossible. During the 7th and 8th centuries, all the grand baths went out of use completely, their fabric pillaged for Christian churches.

    Church prudishness, which viewed the human body not as a thing of beauty but rather as a temptation, had no regrets about the loss.”

    “Bizarre beliefs about the human body.
    Bizarre treatments:

    “Christian medicine”

    Christians have always had a special affinity with suffering. Their godman suffered for the sins of the world and in every age, hair-shirt Christians have embraced suffering as a way of getting closer to their hero. Contrariwise, pleasure has always been somewhat suspect, particularly ‘desires of the body,’ regarded as demonic in origin. Greek Stoicism, of course, had urged continence and emotional restraint but Christians took the idea to new extremes.

    In their psychotic mind-set, many Christians regarded the body as nothing less than the ‘enemy’ of the soul. The demons who inspired desire were to be fought in what was perceived as a cosmic battle for the soul. Though its own hierarchs rarely observed the practice, subjugation of desire, renunciation of pleasure, chastity, self-inflicted agonies, isolation and every other form of deprivation was lauded by the Church as an achievement of holiness and “spirituality.”

    The suffering of martyrs – real and invented – became an edifying obsession. The wild ascetics of the desert, the anchorites in caves, the stylites on pillars became creatures of wonder and inspiration.

    What did it matter if the cities of man crumbled into the dust, the ‘City of God’ was eternal. What did it matter if, in this short life, you were sickly and crippled, you would be perfect in God’s kingdom for all eternity. Since God creates all things, even sickness and injury is by His Will. Who are we to question the Divine plan? To cure sickness, to repair injury, with the ‘wisdom of man’ was to oppose the Will of God.

    In the ecclesiastic asylum of the post-classical age, the ancient medicine and hygiene of the Greeks and Romans were declared ‘heretical’, having been overwhelmed by the plague in any event. In the aftermath of the plague the Church moved to dominate all fields of medicine. Holy Mother Church delimited the acceptable response to illness:

    – the sick were to repent for their sin (which had allowed malevolent spirits to enter their body);

    – the sick were to be sent on pilgrimage to a holy shrine (where they could purchase relics);

    – the sick were to write holy names on scrolls and wear them on the body;

    – prayers were to be offered up to the Saints.

    It seems martyrs’ bones were capable of curing everything (but, of course, not everyone). Monasteries in both east and west had so-called ‘hospitals’ and ‘sick houses’, though essentially they were hospices, where ignorant monks aided the sick to die with a “saved” soul. A legacy bequeathed to the Church was the most assured method of ensuring passage to the Christian Heaven.

    Much of the Roman world had been uneasy about dissection (such was the fear of the dead). The Church was in no doubt: dissection of the human cadaver was “a desecration of the Temple of the Holy Ghost.” Medical research ceased for a thousand years.

    It should be noted in passing that the Church’s interdict on the dissection of the human body was of no import when it came to the chopping up of ‘saints’ cadavers. An essential element of Papal Catholicism’s foreign policy – and “fund raising” – was the export of martyrs’ bones and relics to its religious colonies. The various parts of a ‘martyr’ might be distributed across the length and breadth of christendom. Indeed, the Church quite consciously used the disturbing ‘power’ of skeletons to instill fear and awe in whole nations lost in ignorance and superstition.”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/medicine.html

    Pagan

    “Surgery

    Roman surgical instruments

    2nd – 3rd centuries AD yet almost indistinguishable from their 21st century counterparts.”

    “Eye Surgery

    Roman suction couching needle for removal of cataracts (shown next to a modern electric suction needle)!

    Through an extremely fine inner tube a Roman surgeon could suck the cataract out of his patient’s eye.”

    “Herbal Wisdom

    Fragment from De Materia Medica by Dioscurides – 6th century copy of 1st century AD herbal guide. It was prepared for Julia Anicia, daughter of emperor Olybrius (472).

    The guide detailed 500 herbs and their usage.”

    “Sanitation

    Roman public flushed toilets, Ephesus, 1st century AD.

    By 315 AD Rome had 144 public toilets which were flushed clean by running water.”

    ‘Valetudinarium’
    Roman Military Hospitals

    “During the reign of Marcus Aurelius the first true hospitals were built to serve the needs of the Roman army.

    They had separate wards, operating theatre, kitchens, baths, latrines, dispensary, mortuary and even a herb garden.”

    “Clean Water

    1st century AD – aqueducts bring fresh water hundreds of miles. Public baths and a culture of daily bathing kept many diseases in check.

    Contrary to popular understanding, for most of their length Roman aqueducts ran underground, in sealed earthenware pipes similar to modern water mains.”

    Christian

    “Butchery

    1100 AD

    Christian cure for illness – cauterising!

    The idea was that the blister caused by a hot iron would draw out a bad ‘humour’.”

    “Prudery

    1300 AD

    Christian medical journal.

    The patient keeps his drawers on!”

    “Stupidity

    15th century

    Astrology and numerology passes for medical science.

    Any lingering ancient wisdom relating to the medicinal value of plants was persecuted as witchcraft.”

    “16th century AD.

    Emptying the potty in Christian Europe

    “Because of frequent rains, the streets of the city of Nürnberg are full of garbage and other wastes flushed by the rain water, so that the rider has always to worry that the horse will fall in a deep layer of the dirt and will look and smell like a dirty swine or that his clothes will be stained by the mud splashed by other horsemen.”

    M. Strell (Die Abwasserfrage)”

    “1600 AD

    Approved clothing for dealing with plague victims – no kidding!

    The beak was filled with sweet-smelling herbs.”

    “19th century – water carriers hawk buckets in teeming city streets.

    The water source – a stand pipe, drawing water from sources polluted with human waste – worked delightfully well in spreading cholera and typhoid.”

    “By observing basic rules of sanitation and hygiene, and with doctors attached to the legions, military hospitals, and even field medics, a Roman soldier was more likely to survive conflict than any other soldier until the First World War.”

    “Biblical Guidelines –

    Avoid Water!

    “Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.”

    – St Paul (1 Timothy 5.23)

    Prayer and Oil!

    “Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

    And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up.”

    – James (5.14,15)”

    “Cloaca Maxima

    Rome’s ‘main drain’. Originally built in the 6th century BC, it was extensively rebuilt in the 1st century BC.
    The sewer is still in service more than 2000 years later.

    In contrast, in Christian Europe, as late as the 17th century, open sewers – water ditches, running alongside city walls – were the only drainage almost everywhere.”

    “Broken

    One tactic of siege warfare was to cut the water supply to a walled city.

    Where the mighty aqueducts were broken the still flowing water formed extensive bogs.

    Rapidly these new swamps became a breeding ground for malaria-carrying mosquitoes.”

    “The Greek Achievement

    Medicine in the Ancient World

    In the 2nd century AD medical knowledge and surgical skill reached a level never achieved again until the early 20th century.

    In the centuries in between a malevolent religion – Christianity – presided over the destruction and misery of humanity.

    Gods dominated the lives of the Greeks but Greek physicians nonetheless tried to find a natural explanation for illness. Medicine, as opposed to hocus-pocus, was practiced at least as early as 1000 years BC.

    Hippocrates of Cos (460-377 BC), is credited with being the first to separate medicine from rekigion and disease from the supernatural. He is best remembered for his Oath of Medical ethics, still honoured, in modified form, today.

    The gods had a role to play, of course. Apollo was consulted, as was Asclepiosand his two daughter goddesses Panacea and Hygieia. Science and superstition coalesced at temple/hospitals – asclepeia – built at places such as Epidaurus, Corinth, Cos and Pergamon. They offered an ‘holistic’ approach to sickness: hot baths, sleep and meditation coupled with prayer and medical treatments. Written accounts have survived of those who were cured.

    In the 3rd century BC Alexandria emerged as the most important centre of medical research. Its schools of study enjoyed international reknown and attracted the finest minds. Alexandrian scholars were able to take advantage of officially approved dissection and Egyptian burial practice (which removed and preserved the internal organs). The zoological gardens provided animal specimens.

    One of Alexandria’s earliest physicians, Herophilus (335-280 BC), collected and compiled a group of medical treatises known collectively as the Hippocratic Corpus, to which he added studies of his own. He identified the brain as the centre of intelligence, linked to the nervous system, and the function of the heart in the circulation of blood.

    His successor Eristratos concentrated on the digestive system and postulated that nutrition as well as nerves and brain influenced mental diseases. Eristratos was the first to distinguish between sensory and motor nerves.

    Alexandria’s centuries of research into human physiology and illness reached its zenith in the second century AD, with Galen of Pergamon (129-216), who contributed a lifetime of his own investigations. His treatments involved wine-based anticeptics, the stitching of wounds and sterilised hand-crafted surgical instruments made from ‘fine iron.’

    Raised to the status of personal physician to the emperor Marcus Aurelius, Galen wrote hundreds of books on anatomy and the art of medicine, which formed the corpus of medical knowledge of the Roman world.”

  9. Phoenix says:

    //CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS BELIEVED IN THE FICTION THAT, THE SUN MOVES AROUND THE EARTH.//

    My apologies, I read your post too fast. You’re referring to the geocentric vs heliocentric model and not the flat earth myth.

    Few points to consider:

    a) The geocentric model was an Ancient Greek invention.
    b) The Church accepted this pseudo-scientific model. Yet you lambaste the Church on the one hand for rejecting Aristitotlian physics and Ptolemy’s views but on the other hand you equally criticize the Church for accepting it.
    c) A devout Christian by the name of Sir Isaac Newton made the most significant contributions towards heliocentricism.
    d) Only after heliocentricism was conclusively proven did the Church accept it.

  10. Phoenix says:

    @Face the truth

    “I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES HAVE TO DO WITH SCREEN-NAME STEVE’S COMMENTS ABOUT MEDICAL-SURGICAL ENDEAVORS MADE BY PAGAN ROMANS.”

    It was most likely another hypothetical statement since the surgical procedures in Europe during the Middle Ages were far more advanced and complex than that of the Pagan Romans.

    //NO, WHAT CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS DID DURING THE MEDIEVAL TIME WERE TO PRAY TO JESUS F**KING CHRIST AND TO TAKE OUT THE “EVIL SPIRITS” FROM HUMAN BODIES INSTEAD OF ADVANCING HUMANITY FOR PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENTS AS WELL AS TO ALLOW EXCESSIVE BLOOD-LETTING FROM HUMAN BODIES INSTEAD OF DOING SURGICAL REPAIR(S) OF INTERNAL BODY-PARTS OR ORGANS.//

    You may believe in what ever out-dated myths you choose to but here are the facts:

    http://www.medievalists.net/2015/11/top-10-medical-advances-from-the-middle-ages/

    1. Hospitals

    By the fourth century the concept of a hospital – a place where patients could be treated by doctors with access to specialized equipment – was emerging in parts of the Roman Empire. The origins of hospitals begin in Christian religious establishments that were meant to provide lodgings and care for the poor and travellers. In Byzantium and Western Europe hospitals were usually run by monasteries and gradually became larger and more complex over the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, in the Arabic world hospitals emerged in the 8th century as more secular institutions, and in larger cities they could be staffed by dozens of physicians, had several wards for different illnesses, and could even have amenities like musicians playing in the halls.

    2. Pharmacies

    The first pharmacy was established in Baghdad in the year 754. As one medieval Arabic physician said these were places for “the art of knowing the materia medica simples in their various species, types and shapes. From these, the pharmacist prepares compounded medications as prescribed and ordered by the prescribing physician.” Pharmacies proved to be very popular and more drug stores soon opened up around the Arabic world. By the 12th century they could be found in Europe. Having pharmacies greatly aided the development of knowledge about drugs and how they could be made.

    4. Anatomy and dissection

    Many historians have believed that knowledge about anatomy stagnated in the Middle Ages. However, there is a great deal of evidence that medieval physicians were conducting experiments and examining the anatomy of the human body. In the year 1315 the Italian physician Mondino de Luzzi even conducted a public dissection for his students and spectators. The following year he would write Anathomia corporis humani, which is considered the first example of a modern dissection manual and the first true anatomical text.

    5. Medical Education in Universities

    The rise of universities throughout Europe would bring about important, but gradual, changes to the practices of medicine. Many medieval universities would teach physicians and become the main centres through which medical knowledge would be shared. Thomas Benedek explains in his article, ‘The Shift of Medical Education into the Universities‘: “In 1231 Frederick II promulgated a set of laws concerning medical education standards and licensure that were far ahead of his time. Although these laws did not have an immediate effect on medical training and practice, his codification of the importance of premedical education probably reinforced and stabilized an educational method which was developing and which became a cornerstone of the professionalization of physicians.”

    //CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS BELIEVED IN THE FICTION THAT, THE SUN MOVES AROUND THE EARTH.//

    This myth has been debunked ages ago. It was in fact Jesuit priest astronomers who introduced the spherical round earth concept to asians.

    //DURING MEDIEVAL TIME CHRISTIAN CHURCH DETERMINED WHAT COULD BE STUDIED AND WHAT COULDN’T BE.

    IF THE PRODUCT OR OUTCOME OF ANY STUDIES — SCIENTIFIC OR NOT DOESN’T MATTER — SERVED THE FALSEHOODS OF CHRISTIANITY, THOSE STUDIES OR SCIENTIFIC ENDEAVORS WERE PROMOTED DURING MEDIEVAL TIME BY THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.//

    This is a red herring and a straw man, as it doesn’t refute the claim that Christians developed the scientific method

    //I FIND A NUMBER OF INDIAN “HINDUS” (I.E., NON-CHRISTIANS) WHO HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES FOR ENTIRE HUMANITY — SUCH AS PROFESSOR H.G. KHORANA IN HUMAN GENETICS AND FEW OTHER INDIAN “HINDUS” AS WELL — WHILE INDIAN CHRISTIANS HAVE SO FAR APPEARED TO BE QUITE DUMB AS WOOD WHEN IT COMES TO SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES.//

    Another straw man. The topic was regarding science in Europe during the Middle Ages, not Asia.

  11. Tom Cheria says:

    USA with just 3% of the population in 1960 had 40% of the world’s GDP. Dancing Dancing Dancing!!

    No sane person would say USA is part of Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheistic civilization.

    I am so tried of WINNING. LOL

  12. Steve says:

    Phoenix
    “Lastly, you have not explained why non-Christians nations failed to put man on the moon during the 5th century.” Because the Christians burnt the scientific and medical achievements of the pagan Roman Empire to a crisp (as the Christians burnt anything “pagan” and the nonsense written in the so called holy bible was regarded as the only authority while reason and the scientific method was viewed as being satanic). It took tens of centuries for science, technology and medicine to recover and reach where it was before Christianity came to power. So it’s no exaggeration to say men would been on the moon over a thousand years before they actually was if the fanatics of Christ never came to power.

  13. Face_The_Truth says:

    phoenix
    dear steve, i bet you typed this with a straight face. can you provide evidence for this assertion?

    ONE CANNOT PROVIDE CONCRETE EVIDENCE(S) FOR A HYPOTHETICAL STATEMENT, ALBEIT WHICH WAS BASED ON THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCES OR REMNANTS FROM THE PAGAN ROMAN EMPIRE.

    SINCE CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS BURNED ALL PAGAN HERITAGES INCLUDING LIBRARIES AND ARCHIVES, WE DO NOT HAVE ALL PRE-CHRISTIAN RECORDS.

    IN FACT, CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS BURNED ALIVE PEOPLE WHO SAID THINGS THAT WERE NOT IN SUPPORT OF CHRISTIAN NEW TESTAMENT.

    THEREFORE, SCREEN-NAME STEVE’S COMMENTS ARE NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY BY ANY STRETCH OF CHRISTIAN RE-WRITING OF PAGAN ROMAN EMPIRE.

    i guess homeopathic remedies are making a comeback.

    I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES HAVE TO DO WITH SCREEN-NAME STEVE’S COMMENTS ABOUT MEDICAL-SURGICAL ENDEAVORS MADE BY PAGAN ROMANS.

    1. the so-called advanced pagans of rome and greece never performed dissections and autopsies as their faith prohibited it. this practice was revived by the christians.

    NO, WHAT CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS DID DURING THE MEDIEVAL TIME WERE TO PRAY TO JESUS F**KING CHRIST AND TO TAKE OUT THE “EVIL SPIRITS” FROM HUMAN BODIES INSTEAD OF ADVANCING HUMANITY FOR PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENTS AS WELL AS TO ALLOW EXCESSIVE BLOOD-LETTING FROM HUMAN BODIES INSTEAD OF DOING SURGICAL REPAIR(S) OF INTERNAL BODY-PARTS OR ORGANS.

    2. the greeks practiced pseudo-science. ptolemy’s geocentric view, aristotle’s physics, euclid’s work on optics and galen’s work on anatomy was all later abandoned by christians during the middle ages.

    CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS BELIEVED IN THE FICTION THAT, THE SUN MOVES AROUND THE EARTH.

    PEOPLE WHO CLAIMED THINGS THAT INHERENTLY OR OPENLY WENT AGAINST CHRISTIAN NEW TESTAMENT AS WELL AS ABSOLUTELY FICTITIOUS CHRISTIAN “GOD THE FATHER” AND THE “SON” AND THE “HOLY CHRISTIAN GHOST” WERE TORTURED TO DEATH.

    ALL PAGAN SCHOOLS WERE SHUT DOWN AND ALL PAGAN IDEAS OR THOUGHTS WERE PROHIBITED BY THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

    ANYONE CRITICIZING THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS CHARGED WITH BLASPHEMY DURING MEDIEVAL TIME BY THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN EUROPE, WHICH (I.E., THE CHARGES OF BLASPHEMY) WAS ALSO INCORPORATED BY CHRISTIANITY’S SISTER-RELIGION ISLAM AND WIDELY PRACTICED IN MUSLIM-MAJORITY COUNTRIES TO THIS DAY.

    3. the empirical method was invented by christians during the middle ages. the pagans of ancient rome and greece made no significant scientific breakthroughs as the scientific method was not around during their era.

    FALSE STATEMENT.

    DURING MEDIEVAL TIME CHRISTIAN CHURCH DETERMINED WHAT COULD BE STUDIED AND WHAT COULDN’T BE.

    IF THE PRODUCT OR OUTCOME OF ANY STUDIES — SCIENTIFIC OR NOT DOESN’T MATTER — SERVED THE FALSEHOODS OF CHRISTIANITY, THOSE STUDIES OR SCIENTIFIC ENDEAVORS WERE PROMOTED DURING MEDIEVAL TIME BY THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

    OVER THE COURSE OF NEARLY 1000 YEARS OF CHRISTIAN THEOCRATIC RULE OF EUROPE, EUROPEANS BECAME FED UP, WHICH ULTIMATELY RESULTED IN RENAISSANCE AND LATER ENLIGHTENMENT AS WELL AS BLOODY POPULAR REVOLUTIONS IN ORDER TO UPROOT CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY IN EUROPE.

    lastly, you have not explained why non-christians nations failed to put man on the moon during the 5th century.

    IN THE PAST 200 YEARS, IF WE PUT THE PHOTOS OF ALL SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERERS, WE FIND THAT 99% OF THEM ARE WHITE CAUCASIANS.

    THAT MEANS, WHITE CAUCASIAN RACE HAS CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THE SCIENTIFIC PROGRESS IN PAST 200 YEARS THAN ANY OTHER RACE ON EARTH.

    IF WE LOOK AT PHILIPPINES, THERE ARE OVER 80% CHRISTIAN POPULATIONS.

    BUT, I DO NOT FIND ONE TOP-LEVEL SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERER FROM OVER 80% CHRISTIAN POPULATION IN THE PHILIPPINES.

    I FIND A NUMBER OF INDIAN “HINDUS” (I.E., NON-CHRISTIANS) WHO HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES FOR ENTIRE HUMANITY — SUCH AS PROFESSOR H.G. KHORANA IN HUMAN GENETICS AND FEW OTHER INDIAN “HINDUS” AS WELL — WHILE INDIAN CHRISTIANS HAVE SO FAR APPEARED TO BE QUITE DUMB AS WOOD WHEN IT COMES TO SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES.

    DOES THAT PROVE THAT CHRISTIANS IN GENERAL ARE BETTER AT SCIENCE???

    OR, DOES THAT PROVE THAT, IT IS THE WHITE CAUCASIAN RACE THAT IS BETTER AT SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES BASED ON PAST 200 YEARS???

  14. Phoenix says:

    “If Christianity had not come to power man would have been on the moon over a thousand years before.”

    Dear Steve,I bet you typed this with a straight face. Can you provide evidence for this assertion?

    “Medicine in the Ancient World
    In the 2nd century AD medical knowledge and surgical skill reached a level never achieved again until the early 20th century.”

    I guess homeopathic remedies are making a comeback.

    Dear Steve, the rest of your post spread the same lies that your fellow atheists do. I’ll share and bust some of theirs and your myths here very quickly.

    1. The so-called advanced pagans of Rome and Greece never performed dissections and autopsies as their faith prohibited it. This practice was revived by the Christians.

    2. The Greeks practiced pseudo-science. Ptolemy’s geocentric view, Aristotle’s physics,Euclid’s work on optics and Galen’s work on anatomy was all later abandoned by Christians during the Middle Ages.

    3. The empirical method was invented by Christians during the Middle Ages. The pagans of Ancient Rome and Greece made no significant scientific breakthroughs as the scientific method was not around during their era.

    Lastly, you have not explained why non-Christians nations failed to put man on the moon during the 5th century.

    Ciao for now

  15. Tom Cheria says:

    USA with just 3% of the population in 1960 had 40% of the world’s GDP. Happy Dance!! Dancing Dancing Dancing!!

    No sane person would say USA is part of Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheistic civilization.

    I am tried of WINNING. Please no more winning.

  16. Face_The_Truth says:

    Dear readers:

    Screen-name “Steve” DOES NOT know how to answer few of the Christian MotherF**kers’ post hoc ergo propter hoc arguments as posted on this FaithFreedom.Org website.

    So, here I write for screen-name “Steve” without his/her permission.

    ============================================

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin: “after this, therefore because of this”) is a logical fallacy that states “Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X.” It is often shortened simply to post hoc fallacy.

    ============================================

    Christian MotherF**kers claim that, the 18th century industrial revolution in Europe was the result of 2000 years old Christian falsehoods.

    Christian MotherF**kers claim that, if not for Christianity, European advancement(s) in science and technology far ahead of Asian and African continents would not have occurred.

    Christian MotherF**kers claim that, British Christian imperialists defeated Indian “Hindus” because of the strength of Christianity.

    Christian MotherF**kers claim that, Christian Nazi Germany was NOT Christian; rather German Nazis were inherently “Hindu” fanatics and German Nazis were influenced by “Hindu” religious textbooks and, therefore, specifically concentrating and murdering millions of European Jews and Gypsies by German Nazis had NOTHING to do with 2000 years old Christianism.

    Christian MotherF**kers claim that, the direct disciple of Christian idol Jesus F**king Christ came to Indian subcontinent in order to spread the Gospel of Jesus F**king Christ in the 1st Century A.D., but Indian “Hindus” killed him.

    Christian MotherF**kers claim that, Indian “Hindus” DID NOT build anything significant and, everything that world sees and respects about India was actually built first by Muslim invaders and later by British Christian imperialists.

    Christian MotherF**kers claim that, without the advent of Christianity — still today — Indians would have remained as uneducated, uncultured and barbaric as the countless Black African tribes in African continent.

    Christian MotherF**kers claim that, Indian “Hindus” worship idols of false Gods and Goddesses and, anyone with a scintilla of common-sense must know, world’s Christians worship one and only true God the Father who created the entire universe in just 7 days and who customarily dwells in Christian heaven where world’s all faithful Christians will enter after death on earth and who, by the way, sent his only begotten son (i.e., Jesus F**king Christ) on earth in order to wash away all sins of all humans ever born on earth.

    My dear readers,

    Christian MotherF**kers are WRONG — both historically and factually — on every sentence that I described above.

  17. Tom Cheria says:

    USA with just 3% of the population in 1960 had 40% of the world’s GDP. Happy Dance!! LOL .

    No sane person would say USA is part of Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheistic civilization.

    I am tried of WINNING. Please no more winning.

  18. Steve says:

    Found the truth/Ron

    “In fact they are correct to state and assert that Christianity caused Europe and the West to advance and progress in all areas of science, industrial revolution and technology.” Lies. If Christianity had not come to power man would have been on the moon over a thousand years before.

    “Other parts of world which were non-Christian never had the industrial revolution, never had so many inventions and discoveries in sciences and technologies in comparision to the Christian West.” Reality check “Medicine in the Ancient World
    In the 2nd century AD medical knowledge and surgical skill reached a level never achieved again until the early 20th century.

    In the centuries in between a malevolent religion – Christianity – presided over the destruction and misery of humanity.

    Gods dominated the lives of the Greeks but Greek physicians nonetheless tried to find a natural explanation for illness. Medicine, as opposed to hocus-pocus, was practiced at least as early as 1000 years BC.”

    Triumph of the irrational

    Death of Science

    A World Sunk in Piety http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/science.html

    “At the center of the Christian Dark Ages stood the Bible. This fabricated compendium of garbled history, borrowed mythology, genocidal conflict and pious platitudes was elevated as the font of all wisdom, even as the bonfires set by Christian zealots reduced the science of a millennium to ash.

    In the new Christian tyranny all scientific thought which contradicted the Bible was suppressed. If rationality and observation contradicted the “revealed Word of God” then it was rationality and the observer who were in error.

    “For the Christian, it is enough to believe that the cause of all things, whether in heaven or on earth, whether visible or invisible, is nothing other than the goodness of the Creator.”

    – St. Augustine (Enchiridion 3.9)

    St Paul himself had instructed his acolytes to “avoid profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.” (1 Timothy 6.20). In the new Christian commonwealth free thought itself was under seige.”

    “Science forgotten for 1000 years

    Pythagoras of Samos (569 – 475 BC) combined science and religion in equal measure. He travelled to both Egypt and Babylon. He is the father of number theory and recognised, among other things, that the Earth was a sphere. Pythagoras and his inner circle of followers (the mathematikoi) held that, fundamentally, reality is mathematical in nature, with each number having its own ‘personality.’

    Euclid (325 – 265BC) of Alexandria brought together the work of several predecessors. The 13 books of The Elements became the primary source of geometric reasoning for two thousand years. Euclid’s other works included Optics (on perspective) and The Book of Fallacies (which sounds delightful but is lost).

    Neo-Platonist Proclus Diadochus (died 485), one of the last great philosophers of Plato’s Academy at Athens, wrote a commentary on Euclid’s Elements which today is our principal source of early Greek geometry.

    Aristarchus (310 – 230 BC) applied Alexandrian trigonometry to estimate the distances and sizes of the sun and moon, and also postulated a heliocentric universe.

    Archimedes of Syracuse (287 – 212 BC) is credited with the discovery of pi.

    Eratosthenes (275-194 BC), the third librarian of Alexandria, calculated the circumference of the earth to within 1% accuracy, based on the measured distance from Aswan to Alexandria and the fraction of the whole arc determined by differing shadow-lengths at noon in those two locations. He deduced that the length of the year should be 365 1/4 days and put forward the idea of adding a “leap day” every four years. He cataloged 44 constellations and 475 fixed stars.

    Eratosthenes also suggested that the seas were connected, that Africa might be circumnavigated, and that “India could be reached by sailing westward from Spain.”

    Apollonius of Perga (262 -190 BC), in his famous book Conics, introduced terms which are familiar to us today, such as parabola, ellipse, hyperbola and polyhedron. In another work On the Burning Mirror he described the focal properties of a parabolic mirror. When it came to planetary theory, Apollonius developed systems of eccentric and epicyclical motion to explain the apparent motion of the planets across the sky.

    No mere theoretician, Apollonius developed the hemicyclium, a sundial which has the hour lines drawn on the surface of a conic section giving greater accuracy.

    Hipparchus (190 – 120 BC) of Bithynia, during the reign of Ptolemy VII, discovered and measured the precession of the equinoxes, the size and trajectory of the sun, and the moon’s path. He charted constellations and speculated that stars might have both births and deaths. He is credited with inventing longitude and latitude, importing the 360° circular system from Babylonia, and calculating the length of a year within six minutes accuracy.

    Ptolemy (Claudius Ptolemaeus) 87 -150 AD worked out mathematically his elegant system of epicycles to support the geocentric, Aristotelian view, and wrote a treatise on astrology, both of which were to become the medieval paradigm.”

    “That is why Christian West could easily subdue and colonize the under-developed non-Christian countries.”

    “Part of Christian mythology relates to the “winning for Christ” of the fierce Germanic tribesmen who purportedly destroyed ancient civilization. In very broad brush terms, we are given a comforting image of the heroic priest, armed only with his Bible and Christian forbearance, who subdues the savage warriors with homilies from the Good Book. (We are, of course, being offered an early-day version of how European colonial “missionaries” saw their own activity).

    As if by magic (or rather, miracle, such is the efficacy of the Lord’s word) whole tribal confederations and vast tracks of Europe are baptised to Christ. Where the legions of Caesar had failed to vanquish, a humble monk with bell, book and candle triumphs. In a trice, Europe becomes a patchwork of “Christian kingdoms” and history becomes a story of the consolidation of regal power, the mopping up of a few recalcitrant pagans and suppression of the odd heresy.

    As ever in the history of Christianity, the truth is far darker and far bloodier.”

    “The “Conversion” of the Tribesmen

    Christianizing of the Heathen – on the point of a sword!”

    “Hearts & Minds

    Why did barbarian chieftains convert?

    Barbarian ‘aristocracy’ was the highest echelon of an’heroic’ social structure. Raids into neighbouring territories were an essential part of the barbarian economy. By acquiring ‘prestige goods’ – such as slaves, jewelry, gold pieces, fine weapons – the barbarian ruling elite preserved its rule and raised its social status. Success at raiding strengthened the link between a chief and his warriors.

    Yet tribal leadership itself was always threatened by the great social mobility of tribal society. At any time, any bold and able warrior could raise his own status and become a new member of the elite or even a chieftain. High Kings (or Great Khans) were effectively the result of an election held by clan or tribal elders in time of emergency. The claims of a barbarian ‘king’ to legitimacy were fragile and leaderships changed often and violently.

    This ‘aristocratic vulnerability’ became especially acute during the period of migrations in the 3rd to 5th centuries, when tribal territories were ill-defined and ever-changing, tribal alliances continuously made and remade, and warriors of the same tribe fought both for and against the Romans.

    In a word, barbarian leadership was neither well-defined nor secure.

    Contact with Rome meant influence from a world which was everything barbarian society was not: a stable ‘kingdom’ that seemingly embraced the whole world and existed ‘forever’. Roman society by the 5th century was becoming ever more rigid and hierarchical, with eroding social and geographic mobility and an immense and widening gulf between rich and poor. Rome’s urban middle class was being taxed out of existence, freedmen were being confined in indentured labour and hereditary employments and the soldiery was being reduced to a peasant-farmer militia.
    By emulation, these characteristics helped to accentuate the growth and the power of a more rigid and stable barbarian aristocracy.

    In short, tribal chieftains wanted to rule like Romans:

    “Every Goth wishes to be like a Roman, ” said Theodoric, “but only the humblest Roman wants to be like a Goth.”

    So strong was barbarian desire to establish a ‘Roman’ legitimacy for their new kingdoms that the illiterateCharlemagne, centuries later, styled himself “King of Franks and Lombards and Patrician of the Romans.” He was crowned Emperor and Augustus.

    Christian Heroes: Visigoths!

    Made infamous by their victory over Valens at Adrianople in 378, and for the sack of Rome in 410, the Visigothsfrequently fought in defence of Roman civilization.

    A 1000 years before Luther’s German bible the monk Ulphilas (311-388) gave the Goths a written script and thereby a vernacular version of the Bible – though none could read! For all the fame given to Ulphilas, it was actually Roman captives who first introduced Christianity into the Gothic lands. Later in the century, in a tribal civil war, one particular clan adopted the Christian god. In the conflict between chieftains of the Thervingi tribe, Fritigern was induced by his Roman allies to adopt Christianity (or at least deploy ‘Christ magic’) against the ‘old gods’ of Athanaric. When the pagan Athanaric died in 382 even he was honoured with a Christian state funeral in Constantinople, and his ‘royal house’ continued – as ‘Arian’ Christians!

    The first tribal confederation to be settled within the empire, the Visigoths actually left Italy as allies (foedus) of the Roman emperor in pursuit of earlier invaders – Siling Vandals, Suevi and Alans – tribes they confronted and annihilated in Spain. Their reward (418) was territory in southwest Gaul (Aquitaine). This they later extended to include most of Spain. The Visigoths also provided most of the cavalry in the motley force that stopped Attila and the Huns in 451.

    When Aquitaine was lost to the Franks, the Visigothic kingdom in Spain continued, though considerably weakened by Christian sectarianism. The original Arian faith was never forced on the indigenous people but when, in 587, King Recared converted to Catholicism – a weapon in another Visigothic civil war – religious intolerance arrived.

    At the 3rd Council of Toledo (589) Spain became a theocratic state: Arianism was proscribed, Jews were enslaved, and pagans murdered.

    The Visigoths in Spain were themselves destroyed by Arabs in the 8th century. They disappeared from history in little more than 300 years.

    “Follow My Leader … into the baptismal font

    Once a warrior king embraced ‘Christianity’ – an adoption of form and formality with little or no regard to content – the warrior aristocracy followed its king. Thus, for example, when Clovis accepted Christ as his new god, he compelled three thousand of his retainers to follow him into the baptismal font.

    Among the common tribesmen religious allegiance was not an issue of conscience. This was not an age of individual opinion or preference. When the tribal leadership adopted a new god the tribe followed suit. Not to have done so would have been tantamount to rebellion. When Charlemagne insisted on baptism as the sign of submission, he punished with appalling barbarity any resistance, as when, in cold blood, he beheaded, in a single day, 4500 Saxons at Verden, in 782 AD.

    Having adopted Christ as their new god, the warrior aristocracies forced the new faith on their peoples.”

    “The “special relationship” of the Franks and the Papacy would endure for centuries. In time, the relationship would be reverse: Popes would make and break kings and emperors.

    The religious war – such a fine innovation of Christianity! – would never end. In the 8th century, Frankish conquest carried the sword of Christ to the throat of the Thuringians and Bavarians, and halted the armies of Islam that had overwhelmed the Visigoths in Spain.

    Towards the end of the century, after forty bloody years of continuous aggression, Pepin’s son Charlemagne had extended his personal rule over part of Spain, most of Italy and all the German lands. Charlemagne’s Franks slaughtered tens of thousands of Saxons, Avars and Slavs in order that they might know God’s loving kindness – just what the Galilean carpenter had in mind?”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/tribes.html

  19. Found The Truth says:

    Drive by and Tom Cheria are absolutely correct.

    If Christianity in Europe was a reason why Europe never advanced, then non-Christian parts of the world would have been way ahead by leaps and bounds when compared to Christian West.

    In fact they are correct to state and assert that Christianity caused Europe and the West to advance and progress in all areas of science, industrial revolution and technology.

    Other parts of world which were non-Christian never had the industrial revolution, never had so many inventions and discoveries in sciences and technologies in comparision to the Christian West. That is why Christian West could easily subdue and colonize the under-developed non-Christian countries.

  20. Steve says:

    “BS. If that was truly the case, those inventions and scientific discoveries would’ve originated in non-Christian lands during the 5th century.” Yes the car would have originated in the pagan Roman Empire and it would have put men on the moon by the time the prophet of Islam was born – if the morbid cult of Christianity hadn’t come along and wrecked the civilisation that was built by pagan Rome.

    Lost World – Civilization erased
    by Christian piety, fanaticism and ambition.

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world1.html
    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world2.html

    Foolish Things in a Christian world
    The Ruin of Public Health

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/medicine.html

  21. Drive-by says:

    “In 19th century Europe, powered road vehicles were held back by lack of roads (and hence the railways developed first).

    Ironically, the Roman world had developed a fine network of roads.

    But for the disaster of Christianity, we might have had a 5th century Henry Ford!”

    BS. If that was truly the case, those inventions and scientific discoveries would’ve originated in non-Christian lands during the 5th century.

  22. Tom Cheria says:

    Excuses Excuses Excuses – LOL

    USA with just 3% of the population in 1960 had 40% of the world’s GDP. Dancing Dancing Dancing.

    No sane person would say USA is part of Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheistic civilization.

    I am tried of WINNING. Please no more winning. LOL

  23. Steve says:

    “Hell No. USA with just 3% of the population in 1960 had 40% of the world’s GDP. Dancing Dancing Dancing.”

    Reality check.

    “We’ve Been Robbed!
    “Were it not for religious persecution and oppression of science, mankind might have landed on the moon in the year 650. Cancer may have been eradicated forever by the year 800. And heart disease may, today, be unknown.”

    – David Mills (Science Shams & Bible Bloopers, p362)”

    “Road Vehicles?

    In 19th century Europe, powered road vehicles were held back by lack of roads (and hence the railways developed first).

    Ironically, the Roman world had developed a fine network of roads.

    But for the disaster of Christianity, we might have had a 5th century Henry Ford!”

    “Disastrously, in the late 4th century, the fate of the Roman Empire fell into the hands of Christian fanatic Theodosius and his progeny. By the second half of the 5th century the simple division of the empire had become a fragmentation, even of the very language itself.

    Bilingualism – of Greek and Latin – which had characterised the early empire, became increasingly rare. The Greek language – and with it, an understanding of Hellenic culture, disappeared entirely in the west, followed by a decline in the Latin tongue, until only the clergy used it in a bastardised form. The end of a common language signalled the abandonment of an international cultural legacy which had created Roman civilization. With geographic insularity came xenophobia, racism, and bizarre beliefs about alien peoples in the now ‘distant’ lands.Life became parochial, simpler, impoverished and brutal.”

    “BUILT BY PAGAN ROME

    “The Imperial Roman army could construct almost anything – roads, bridges, tunnels, forts, walls, canals and even buildings for purely peaceful use such as markets and bath-houses.

    It had its own potters, its own blacksmiths, its own carpenters and its own masons – a vast reserve of skilled labour, and in many of the Empire’s outer provinces the only supply of skilled labour available.”

    – N. Sitwell (Roman Roads of Europe, p24)

    The earliest all-weather Roman road was the Via Appia, built in 312 BC. By the end of the 3rd century BC a network of paved roads covered Italy.

    In 147 BC the first provincial road, Via Egnatia, was built in Macedonia. By the close of the 3rd century AD, and the end of Roman road building, 53,000 miles of road spanned the empire, from Scotland to the Euphrates.

    Typically a Roman road was 16′ to 20′ wide and over a metre thick – twice that of many modern roads!

    More than a means of moving troops, the road network made possible a first-rate postal system, the ‘cursus publicus’ established by Augustus early in the 1st century .

    Horses, mules and oxen, stabled at post-houses, moved officials and government freight, and also enabled scholars to exchanged ideas across the empire.”

    RUINED BY CHRISTIANITY

    With the ruin of the Legions (replaced by mercenaries on horseback and the imperial ‘mobile field army’) road-making skills were lost and the vast network of roads went unmaintained by the Christian empire.

    In the 4th century, Christian ‘theorists’, taking advantage of official free travel, overwhelmed the posts, justifying their endless excursions by the convening of church councils:

    “The highways were covered with troops of bishops galloping from every side to the assemblies, which they call synods; and while they laboured to reduce the whole sect to their own particular opinions, the public establishment of the posts was almost ruined by their hasty and repeated journeys.”

    – Ammianus Marcellinus, Res Gestae

    As the decline continued, unpaid post-house keepers deserted, and the roads, beset by outlaws and slave-traders, were shunned rather than used. Such travellers as there were learned to travel in groups for mutual protection.

    Christian Europe built no new roads until the 18th century, when France – like Rome 1500 years earlier – wanted to move rapidly its standing army.”

    So if it was NOT for the morbid cult of Christianity we would have been on the moon before the prophet of Islam was born!

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world1.html
    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world2.html

  24. Tom Cheria says:

    “When the fanatics of Christ came to power western civilisation collapsed”

    Hell No. USA with just 3% of the population in 1960 had 40% of the world’s GDP. Dancing Dancing Dancing.

    No sane person would say USA is part of Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheistic civilization.

    I am tried of WINNING. Please no more winning. LOL

  25. Tom Cheria says:

    I don’t want to repeat again and again.

    Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization — until someone show me a civilization as successful as WCC I have nothing more to add. (Dancing Dancing Dancing)

    Western Civilization is Christian.(North America all the way through Russia)
    All 52 Islamic countries have Islamic Civilization.
    Indian Civilization(India, Nepal) is Hindu Civilization. (Minorities in India are much better off than minorities in an Islamic Country).
    Japanese Civilization is Buddhist.
    Even most Latin Counties are part of Western Civilization – their HDI is comparable or better to the most affluent “TINY” Islamic countries.

    Dancing Dancing Dancing

  26. Found The Truth says:

    .

  27. Steve says:

    “Look at what that abstract idea has created – world’s greatest civilization ever known to man. ” No all the good ideas allegedly taught by Jesus already existed in the pagan Roman Empire centuries before the god man supposedly lived. Jesus did not create western civilisation or contribute anything new – on the contrary when the fanatics of Christ came to power western civilisation collapsed.

    “Even Richard Dawkins a famous Athiest has said he is a cultural Christian. Cultural Christians are also Christians.” No “cultural Christians” are not Christians anymore than atheists from Muslim countries are Muslims.

  28. Steve says:

    “This is why we can have debates as what constitues ‘compassion’ most people in western world would NOT consider Muhammad’s life as explained through Quran and Hadiths as a good moral example of how someone should live their lives. Islam has a catch 22 situation where they cannot reform Quran because Muhammad said it is a literal word of God and any effort to change it would be admitting Muhammad lied.” Saying The bible is not historical is also admitting that Christianity is bullshit and based on lies and fictional stories.

    “Where as the beauty of Christianity is that it can be amended because Jesus did not write bible nor did he tell people that bible is from him(God). ” A PERFECT LIFE BY DEFINITION DOES NOT NEED AMENDING EVER.

    ” Christianity has no problem like that why should I cede an advantage we have for Christianity.” Agreed Christianity is a factory for producing fiction and passing it off as reality. In this it is superior to Islam – though I don’t know if making up more bullshit stories about your holy man compared to your closest rival is something to boast about.

    ” If I had time I would have created a new version of bible only explaining the sinless life of JESUS stripping out the rest.” If you strip out the rest you are left with nothing but a mythical God man – no different to any of the other God men that the pagan world believed in who was sons of a God and who performed miracles and raised the dead etc.

    “To know about Jesus’s life one only needs to see a Jesus movie say Jesus of Nazereth.” You admit Jesus didn’t write the bible and the bible is not a history book. Which proves my point that “Jesus” is a creation of the human mind not a person of history.

    “Muhammad has nothing to do with historical reality but is a creation of their own mind”
    “They cannot do that then they would have to admit Quran is wrong or Muhammad is not perfect. Majid Nawaz acknowledges Quran is wrong at least sometime – I am cool with such muslims. It is the open critisism that made Majid do it.” The Muhammad that humane Muslims believe in is a creation of their own mind – just like the Jesus that Christians believe in is a creation of the human mind. So it’s possible that A fictional Muhammad who was a great humanitarian could become the norm in the Muslim world. (If these liberal Muslims are successful in spreading their ideal “peaceful Islam”.)

    “Jesus’s life even though it happened 2000 years ago it is still a very good moral yard stick for people to emulate. This is the beauty of Western Christian Civilzation.” Jesus of Nazareth didn’t exist he is a myth made from the beliefs of Judaism and paganism.

    “Why should I cede the advantage Christinaity have with near perfect or perfect life of Jesus. Why do you want me to NOT compare the life of JESUS and Muhammad?” You can say anybody is perfect – if you define them to be perfect – and ignore all the parts which show they was far from perfect.

    “We don’t allow or give respect to people who respect HITLER as God nor should we. We routinely mock and demean his their God. Why is that you don’t want me to compare Jesus and Muhammad?” I don’t care about respecting Muhammad who at best was a lying pedophile and I don’t care about about respecting Jesus who was at best a schizophrenic failed apocalyptic preacher.

    “We ban people from having HITLER as God in Europe why can’t we ban having Muhammad(equally evil man) as perfect man in Christian West?” What does banning Muhammad mean? Deporting Muslims and even exterminating them or does it just mean to allow criticism of Muhammad? (Which is different – though not necessarily unrelated- to criticising Muslim criminal and terrorist behaviour.)

  29. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Tom_Cheria_Christian_Mother_F**ker:

    YOU SON OF A CHRISTIAN WHORE,

    DO NOT WRITE ANOTHER POST MENTIONING MY SCREEN-NAME.

    THE ONLY CIVILIZED WAY TO RESPOND TO CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS LIKE YOU IS TO PUT YOU TO DEATH — AS THE ATHEIST SOVIET UNION DID TO CHRISTIAN NAZI GERMANY 75 YEARS AGO.

    I REALLY DO NOT HAVE TIME TO TYPE FOR A CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER LIKE YOU.

  30. Tom Cheria says:

    face_the_truth
    Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization.

    Western Civilization is Christian just like Indian Civilization is Hindu civilization and Islamic civilization is Muslim. Get over it pal.

    It seems like you have been triggered – HAHA

    Dancing Dancing Dancing.

    Just in case you have trouble finding american debt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States#Foreign_holders_of_US_Treasury_securities

    Only 5% is owned by foreigners. USA is not asking anyone to buy the debt – it is just that other countries have no alternatives to park their money. LOL.

  31. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Tom_Cheria_Christian_Mother_F**ker:

    “Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% TRY to live sinless like JESUS and 99% reject allah The SATAN.”

    EXISTING WESTERN CIVILIZATION — IF THAT MEANS THE CIVILIZATION OF NORTH AMERICA AND EUROPE — HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST.

    EXISTING WESTERN CIVILIZATION WAS USURPED BY CHRISTIANITY FROM THE END OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE TO THE RENAISSANCE.

    WESTERN CIVILIZATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANISM.

    PEOPLE IN THE WEST WERE NOT LESS CIVILIZED WHEN THERE WAS NO CHRISTIANISM.

    RATHER, CHRISTIANISM HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

    CHRISTIANS USURPED THE EXISTING WESTERN CIVILIZATION FOR PROPAGANDIZING FICTITIOUS GOD THE FATHER AND A SON OF A LOCAL JEWISH WHORE.

    WHEN CHRISTIANS RULED EUROPE BY “DIVINE” LAWS OF FICTITIOUS GOD THE FATHER, THAT PERIOD IS CALLED OR KNOWN AS “MEDIEVAL TIME” (I.E., DARK AGE) IN OUR RECORDED HISTORY.

    WHEN CHRISTIAN NAZIS RULED EUROPE, THAT TIME IS CONSIDERED THE WORST TIME IN OUR RECORDED HISTORY.

    NOW, CHRISTIANS IN EUROPE OCCUPY AND RULE A TINY ENCLAVE CALLED “VATICAN CITY”.

    “Show me a civilization as successful as WCC – Up until that good bye.”

    “SUCCESSFUL” IN WHAT TERM OR IN WHAT CATEGORY?

    IF ONE USES, GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT OF A NATION BY THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF ITS CURRENCY, THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA HAS ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED THAT.

    AMERICAN GOVERNMENT CURRENTLY HAS MORE THAN 20 TRILLION U.S. DOLLARS OF NATIONAL DEBT(S), WHICH DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE IN EXCESS OF 150 TRILLION U.S. DOLLARS OF UNFUNDED FINANCIAL LIABILITIES.

    THE ONLY WAY OUT FOR AMERICAN GOVT. WOULD BE TO START NON-STOP WARS IN ORDER NOT TO PAY BACK THE CREDITORS.

    “Dancing, Dancing, Dancing”

    DO NOT WRITE ANOTHER POST MENTIONING MY SCREEN-NAME.

    I REALLY DO NOT HAVE TIME TO TYPE FOR CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER LIKE YOU.

  32. Tom Cheria says:

    Steve

    “If you was a Muslim no doubt you would be claiming the examples of Muhammad inspires and encourages acts of compassion for their fellow man!”

    This is why we can have debates as what constitues ‘compassion’ most people in western world would NOT consider Muhammad’s life as explained through Quran and Hadiths as a good moral example of how someone should live their lives. Islam has a catch 22 situation where they cannot reform Quran because Muhammad said it is a literal word of God and any effort to change it would be admitting Muhammad lied. My intended audience is westerners/immigrants who live in the west and who have commonsense and value system. No debate is possible with people who don’t have valus system.

    Where as the beauty of Christianity is that it can be amended because Jesus did not write bible nor did he tell people that bible is from him(God). It is not my problem that Muhammad boxed himself and his followers into a catch 22 sitaution. Christianity has no problem like that why should I cede an advantage we have for Christianity. If I had time I would have created a new version of bible only explaining the sinless life of JESUS stripping out the rest. To know about Jesus’s life one only needs to see a Jesus movie say Jesus of Nazereth.

    “Muhammad has nothing to do with historical reality but is a creation of their own mind” They cannot do that then they would have to admit Quran is wrong or Muhammad is not perfect. Majid Nawaz acknowledges Quran is wrong at least sometime – I am cool with such muslims. It is the open critisism that made Majid do it.

    Jesus’s life even though it happened 2000 years ago it is still a very good moral yard stick for people to emulate. This is the beauty of Western Christian Civilzation.

    Muhammad was born 600 years after Jesus – his life was not a good moral yard stick for people to emulate during 700 AD let alone in year 2000.

    Why should I cede the advantage Christinaity have with near perfect or perfect life of Jesus. Why do you want me to NOT compare the life of JESUS and Muhammad?

    We don’t allow or give respect to people who respect HITLER as God nor should we. We routinely mock and demean his their God. Why is that you don’t want me to compare Jesus and Muhammad?

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/british-extremist-who-described-adolf-hitler-as-his-god-jailed-for-5-years-1662945

    Religion = way of life. Nazism is also a religion. If 1(ONE) person says HITLER, Obama, Music or Jeremy Corbyn is their God I am required to accept his way of life as a religion. Only Bigots would deny that. Why is it ok to mock Hitler a God for the above said person and not Muhammad?

    We ban people from having HITLER as God in Europe why can’t we ban having Muhammad(equally evil man) as perfect man in Christian West?

  33. Tom Cheria says:

    Steve/Ken
    “Jesus Christ, for all the wondrous elaborations and embellishments, is an idea”

    Let us for argument sake that that Jesus was an abstract idea. Everything is an idea even atheism is an idea.

    Look at what that abstract idea has created – world’s greatest civilization ever known to man. Western Christian Civilization where 90% try to live sinless as JESUS. Show me a civilization as successful as WCC – then we can talk. I will tell you after Christianity – I live Buddhism – they have created the next best civilization. (Japan, South Korea – though SK is more Christian than Buddhist now). Why should I trade something which created the greatest civilization to something inferior?

    Even Richard Dawkins a famous Athiest has said he is a cultural Christian. Cultural Christians are also Christians.

  34. Steve says:

    Tom

    As the site Jesus never existed says.

    “Jesus Christ, for all the wondrous elaborations and embellishments, is an idea, an idea that exists, and has only ever existed, in the minds of his devotees. Take for example the physicality of Jesus. Nowhere do the Gospels (nor any other sources for that matter) describe the phantom superstar – and yet we all know that slender frame, the flowing hair, that soft yet troubled face. The vivid image originates not in history but in the human mind, conditioned over centuries by the Church. We conceptualise the Jesus of our hopes, dreams and expectations.

    The idea of Jesus is real enough and the idea extends to everything about the superstar – what we think he did, what we think he said, and above all what we think he was. Jesus Christ, in reality, is not an objective fact in the historical record but a “relationship” with our own psyche. Our rational selves might concede that his miraculous deeds are a tad exaggerated; that his words may in fact be taken from other sources, but what he was permits no revision: he was and remains a standard of perfection when real-world people are anything but, and he offers the promise of a life beyond the grave when reality denies any such possibility.”

    So that’s all the “sinless life of Jesus” is – not an objective historical fact in the historical record but a “relationship” with our own psyche. If you was a Muslim no doubt you would be claiming the examples of Muhammad inspires and encourages acts of compassion for their fellow man! (Indeed Muslims claim exactly that). They make this claim because just like your Jesus their Muhammad has nothing to do with historical reality but is a creation of their own mind.

  35. Tom Cheria says:

    @face_the_truth

    Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% TRY to live sinless like JESUS and 99% reject allah The SATAN.

    Show me a civilization as successful as WCC – Up until that good bye.

    Dancing, Dancing, Dancing

  36. Face_The_Truth says:

    Face_The_Truth
    You can shove your mambo jumbo up your has. Jesus did not write the BIBLE. Period.

    I DID NOT WRITE MY POST FOR YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER.

    I DID NOT SAY ANYWHERE THAT, YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST WROTE YOUR F**KING NEW TESTAMENT.

    I WROTE HISTORICAL FACTS IN MY POST(S).

    Christianity is a way of life where people TRY to live like JESUS.

    CHRISTIANISM IS WAY OF LIFE FOR CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS LIKE YOU.

    For all I care — one can see a movie “JESUS of Nazereth” or similar ones and try to live sinless like JESUS.

    I DON’T LIKE WATCHING YOUR FICTITIOUS CHRISTIAN PROPAGANDA MOVIES BASED ON THE FICTITIOUS LIFE-STORY OF A SON OF JEWISH WHORE 2000 YEARS AGO.

    That is all what it takes to be a Christian.

    THAT’S CORRECT.

    YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER HAVE JUST SAID IT.

    LYING IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO BE A CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER.

    Christianity is a very simple way of life – don’t have to go to Church or read bible(not written by Jesus) if one does not want to.

    CHRISTIAN MEN IN THE WEST (I.E., AMERICA AND EUROPE) ARE TOO BUSY DRINKING-DRINKING-F**KING WOMEN.

    SO, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER IS CORRECT AGAIN FOR SAYING THAT, CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS DON’T HAVE TO GO TO CHURCH ANYMORE.

    If a Christian doesn’t want to pray that is also fine – just have Jesus as your role model and try to live sinless like JESUS.

    WHEN CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS LIKE YOU ARE DRINKING-DRINKING-F**KING WOMEN, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS ARE ALREADY PRACTICING YOUR PERFECT CHRISTIAN WORSHIP OF A SON OF JEWISH WHORE 2000 YEARS AGO.

    DRINKING-DRINKING-F**KING WOMEN IS THE TRUE CHRISTIAN PRAYER.

    Religion = way of life. Even Atheism is a way of life. Church of Atheism has already been accepted by IRS as a official church.

    DRINKING-DRINKING-F**KING WOMEN IS THE TRUE HISTORICAL CHRISTIAN WAY OF LIFE.

    Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% TRY to live sinless like JESUS and 99% reject allah The SATAN.

    ISLAMIC ALLAH IS AS FICTITIOUS AS YOUR CHRISTIAN GOD THE FATHER.

    BOTH WERE INVENTED FOR MURDERING, RAPING AND ARSONING NON-BELIEVERS AS WELL AS LOOTING NON-BELIEVERS’ LANDS AND PROPERTIES.

    Show me a civilization as great as WCC — then we can talk. Otherwise no point of this discussion.

    I DON’T TALK WITH CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS LIKE YOURSELF.

    I DON’T DISCUSS FICTION AND FICTITIOUS STORIES OF YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST.

    BECAUSE, IT IS A WORTHLESS WAY OF WASTING TIME DISCUSSING ANYTHING WITH CHRISTIAN LIARS.

    Why are moslems and others lining up western consulates to come into West?

    MUSLIMS MIGRATE TO NON-BELIEVERS’ TERRITORIES IN ORDER TO TAKE OVER THE LANDS AND PROPERTIES OF NON-BELIEVERS IN THE LONG RUN.

    MULSIMS MIGRATED TO CHRISTIAN BYZANTINE EMPIRE DURING MEDIEVAL TIME AND MADE CHRITSENDOM INTO THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE AND MODERN DAY TURKEY TODAY.

    If your civilization could not make you or your parents happy and you or your parents had to immigrate then why cling to a civilization/culture which could not make you or your parents fully happy and you or parents had to immigrate.

    WHO TOLD YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER THAT, MY LATE VAISHNAVA AND SHAKTA PARENTS WERE NOT HAPPY IN THEIR ANCESTRAL LAND CALLED BHARAT VARSHA???

    IT WAS YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS WHO CAME TO INDIAN SUBCONINENT IN ORDER TO LOOT ITS NATURAL RESOURCES IN ORDER TO START INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION IN EUROPE DURING THE 18TH AND 19TH CENTURY A.D.

    By the way nothing is stopping you or your parents to return to a civilization you claim is the best. LOL. Why not immigrate to Saudi Arabia and enjoy Sharia LOL

    WHY ARE YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER KEEP TYPING “LOL” AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN???

    THERE IS NOTHING FUNNY IN WHAT OR WHATEVER YOU WRITE UNLESS, OF COURSE, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KER FIND YOUR NON-STOP CHRISTIAN LIES TOO FUNNY!!!

    IN YOUR FAVORITE SAUDI ARABIA, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS DON’T EVEN DARE PRACTISING YOUR CHRISTIAN FAITH, LET ALONE CELEBERATING YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST IN ANY WAY OR ANY SHAPE OR FORM.

    BUT, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS KEEP $UCKING NON-BELIEVERS (E.G., “HINDUS”) DRY IN BHARAT RASHTRA.

    I THINK, IT’S TIME FOR INDIAN “HINDUS” TO BURN YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS ALIVE JUST AS YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERF**KERS USED TO BURN ALIVE NON-BELIEVERS OF YOUR JESUS F**KING CHRIST DURING MIDDLE AGE.

    If you are claiming that money was the main motivation then it proves my point that most immigrants are disloyal and they are no different than many Muslims who live in India who has dual loyalty and celebrate when Pakistan wins cricket matches.

    I DID NOT CLAIM ANYTHING LIKE YOU ARE SAYING.

    SO, STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY WRITTEN POSTS.

    Thank God for Trump, Victor Orban and Putin – we are bring back pride in Western Christian Civilization.

    U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF CHRISITIAN WAY OF LIFE!!!

    THAT IS, SLEEPING WITH HOOKERS AND F**KING WHORES ONE AFTER ANOTHER WHILE BEING MARRIED TO SOMEONE ELSE IS THE CHRISTIANISM AT ITS HISTORICAL BEST.

  37. Tom Cheria says:

    Face_The_Truth

    You can shove your mambo jumbo up your has. Jesus did not write the BIBLE. Period.

    Christianity is a way of life where people TRY to live like JESUS. For all I care — one can see a movie “JESUS of Nazereth” or similar ones and try to live sinless like JESUS. That is all what it takes to be a Christian.

    Christianity is a very simple way of life – don’t have to go to Church or read bible(not written by Jesus) if one does not want to. If a Christian doesn’t want to pray that is also fine – just have Jesus as your role model and try to live sinless like JESUS.

    Religion = way of life. Even Atheism is a way of life. Church of Atheism has already been accepted by IRS as a official church.

    Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% TRY to live sinless like JESUS and 99% reject allahTheSATAN. Show me a civilization as great as WCC — then we can talk. Otherwise no point of this discussion.

    Why are moslems and others lining up western consulates to come into West?

    If your civilization could not make you or your parents happy and you or your parents had to immigrate then why cling to a civilization/culture which could not make you or your parents fully happy and you or parents had to immigrate. By the way nothing is stopping you or your parents to return to a civilization you claim is the best. LOL. Why not immigrate to Saudi Arabia and enjoy Sharia LOL

    If you are claiming that money was the main motivation then it proves my point that most immigrants are disloyal and they are no different than many Muslims who live in India who has dual loyalty and celebrate when Pakistan wins cricket matches.

    Thank God for Trump, Victor Orban and Putin – we are bring back pride in Western Christian Civilization.

  38. Face_The_Truth says:

    ‘The New English Bible version of the New Testament published jointly by Oxford and Cambridge universities in 1961 A.D. mentions many instances where passages have been inserted or taken out of Super-Holy New Testament in order to indoctrinate non-believers into Christian falsehoods.

    The most significant example is that of John 8.11 which tells the story of how
    Jesus the Nazarene Jew saved a woman from being stoned to death for being caught in committing adultery.

    According to Oxford and Cambridge universities:

    “This passage, which in the most widely received editions of the New Testament is printed in the text of John 7.53-8.11, has NO fixed place in our ancient manuscripts.

    Some of them DO NOT contain it at all.

    Some place it after Luke 21.38, others after John 7.36 or 7.52, or 21.24.”

    In any case, the story of saving a woman from being stoned DOES NOT occur in any Christian manuscript prior to the end of the Fourth Century A.D.

    Biblical scholars are now agreed that, the story of saving a woman from being stoned to death is an interpolation (i.e., fabrication).

    Similar is the case of fabrication or forgery in Luke 23.34 where Jesus the Nazarene Jew is supposedly made to cry from the Cross,

    “Father, forgive them. They do not know what they are doing!”

    Incidentally, these are precisely the two statements, apart from the “Sermon on the Mount”, which Indian “Hindu” admirers of Jesus the Nazarene Jew quote most frequently in order to indoctrinate other gullible Indian “Hindus” into Christian falsehoods.

    NO Christian missionary or NO Christian theologian is known to have informed the gullible Indian ‘Hindus’ that, those two statements form NO part of the authenticated teachings of Jesus the Nazarene Jew.’

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  39. Steve says:

    Tom

    “Jesus systematically dismantled most pre-Christian laws” Unfortunately the God man is supposed to have said
    “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19
    “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)
    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)
    “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)”
    So your God man did believe the barbaric laws of the OT stand for all times and he believed the monsters in the OT was prophets of God.

    “Jesus stopped stoning of a women by asking the people who amound them without sin to cast the first stone. (No body could cast a stone hence stoning was stopped) HAHA” “Consequently, in the context under consideration, Jesus knew that the woman’s accusers were guilty of the very thing for which they were willing to condemn her. (It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the man with whom the woman had committed adultery was in league with the accusing crowd.) Jesus was able to prick them with their guilt by causing them to realize that He knew that they, too, were guilty. The old law made clear that the witnesses to the crime were to cast the first stones (Deuteronomy 17:7). The death penalty could not be invoked legally if the eyewitnesses were unavailable or unqualified. Jesus was striking directly at the fact that these witnesses were ineligible to fulfill this role since they were guilty of the same sin, and thus deserved to be brought up on similar charges. They were intimidated into silence by their realization that Jesus was privy to their own sexual indiscretions.” (And for a more detailed explanation read this https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1277 )

    So this story provides no evidence that Jesus was against stoning for adultery or any of the other barbaric laws in the OT.

    “TRY to live sinless like JESUS and compare it with any civilization on planet earth.” If you lived liked Jesus you would be locked up in a mental hospital and diagnosed with schizophrenia.

    “Not recording birthday is not a SIN HAHA” Your God man was not born on December 25th this is a pagan festival get this into your thick skull.

    You claimed “By the way Mother Theresa was a fraudster and a very sick women.”
    “You have a DISEASE AND THAT DISEASE IS CALLED AS HATE – UNFORTUNATELY it has no cure NOT EVEN Prayer can cure it.
    Your parents didn’t teach you value system hence you cannot even discern what is good and what is SICK.” Mother Teresa was a sick sadistic women read this http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/09/sadistic-religious-fanatic-mother-teresa-was-no-saint/
    Just like Jesus of Nazareth (if he existed – which he didn’t) was a sick insane man preaching evil nonsense.

    “There is NO POINT in debating with a person who has no value system. And it could VERY WELL be that nature has selected you to not propagate your DNA.” There is no point debating a person who thinks an insane schizophrenic is a role model for all people for all times. Yes this discussion is over since you are simply repeating your nonsense and idiotic accusations of racism and hatred.

  40. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve/Ken
    You claimed “By the way Mother Theresa was a fraudster and a very sick women.”

    You have a DISEASE AND THAT DISEASE IS CALLED AS HATE – UNFORTUNATELY it has no cure NOT EVEN Prayer can cure it.

    Your parents didn’t teach you value system hence you cannot even discern what is good and what is SICK.

    There is NO POINT in debating with a person who has no value system. And it could VERY WELL be that nature has selected you to not propagate your DNA.

    SAY NO TO RACISM
    SAY NO TO MUHAMMAD THE SLAVE OWNER
    ISLAM = ONLY RELIGION WHOSE FOUNDER WAS A RACIST SLAVE OWNER.

    Peace,
    Brown Skinned Immigrant

  41. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve/Ken

    Jesus systematically dismantled most pre-Christian laws — Jesus stopped stoning of a women by asking the people who amound them without sin to cast the first stone. (No body could cast a stone hence stoning was stopped) HAHA

    You have problems with comprehension. Christianity is a way of life where people TRY to live like JESUS and it is not a way of life where people TRY to live like OT, Bible, Mosses, David, Solomon or like other sinned christians like Thomas Jefferson, Washington or any slave owner.

    I am consistent all christian slave owners are now rotting in HELL along with Muhammad the slave owner and allahTheSATAN. Jesus never owned slaves – Get over it pal.

    Poor you.. your disease of HATE has no cure. Get this into your racist head – we will not allow a slave owner(Muhammad) to be respected as perfect man in Christian West.

    Anyone who respects a slave owner as perfect man should be charged with HATE CRIME Period. For Christians JESUS(non slave owner) is the perfect man. (LOL & dancing… NANANAN)

    SAY NO TO RACISM
    SAY NO TO MUHAMMAD THE SLAVE OWNER
    ISLAM = Only religion whose founder was a slave owner

    Note: Please open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% TRY to emulate sinless like of JESUS and 99% reject allahTheSATAN and satan’s messenger Muhammad.

    If Islam is so great why are Muslims lining up to come to Christian West and not lining up to go to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan to ENJOY SHARIA???

    Peace,
    Brown Skinned Immigrant

  42. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve
    Not recording birthday is not a SIN HAHA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8

    Luke 19:27 is absolutely a parable. (Anyone can read Luke and decide for themselves). Anyone with commonsense and basic comprehension can get easily get it. HAHA

    You don’t get to tell me what the parable means to me you can have any sick interpretations but that is not how I interpret. You can shove what you hateful interpretation up your has – I give a damn. Only racists will have your kinda of interpretations. It is not funny that your interpretation and KKK are probably the same – you should be charged with HATE crime to have a hateful interpretation.

    Note: It was Christians (USA and Russia) who kicked Nazi Asses and defeated KKK. LOL It was Christians who defeated Nazism and It was Christian west that banned slavery – a feat poor muhammad or allahTheSATAN could not achieve it.

    JESUS didn’t KILL anyone. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t own slaves – Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t bone female slaves – Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t assassinate people. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t have multiple wives. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t torture people. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t cancel manumission. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t bone his adopted son’s ex wife. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t loot caravan. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t have sex with underage women. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t cross dress – Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t punish people who mocked him. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t assassinate a poetess. Muhammad did.

    On any day it better to live like JESUS and not like Muhammad. LOL. Look at the Western Christian Civilization where 90% of the people TRY to live sinless like JESUS and compare it with any civilization on planet earth.

    When people try hard to live like JESUS you get Amish people or Mother Theresa. When people try hard to live like Muhammad you get ISIS. LOL

    Christianity is a way of life where people try to live sinless like JESUS and it is not a way of life where people try to live like sinned Christians. (I understand you have trouble comprehending this – maybe take a deep breath and try again) LOL

    Ken you have a disease called as HATE unfortunately it has no cure. Get this into your racist head – we will not allow a slave owner(Muhammad) to be respected as perfect man in Christian West.

    Anyone who respects a slave owner as perfect man should be charged with HATE CRIME Period.

    SAY NO TO RACISM
    SAY NO TO MUHAMMAD THE SLAVE OWNER
    ISLAM = Only religion whose founder was a slave owner

    Peace,
    Brown Skinned Immigrant

  43. Steve says:

    Tom

    Fact 1 – Jesus approves of slavery in NT (and never says one word against it).
    Fact 2 – Jesus says all the barbaric laws in the OT stand for all time
    Fact 3 – Jesus believes all the rapist slave owning monsters in the OT are prophets which he sent (since he is Jehovah- according to Christians) and he believes literally in the stories of the OT.
    Fact 4 – Jesus’s rantings against the Jews inspired anti Semitic nonsense in Europe for centuries which eventually resulted in the holucaust.
    Fact 5 – Christians found justification for killing, torturing, raping, and plundering the lands of non believers in the OT (see facts 2 and 3).
    Fact 6 – Jesus commands his follows to hate and abandon their families and to have no thought for tomorrow. He preachers this nonsense because he believed the end of the world was coming and Gods judgement on humanity and claims the only way to be saved from Gods wrath is by getting himself tortured and killed (for the select few that accept his “sacrifice” and that he is their Lord and savour.)
    Fact 7 – A person who believes in the above would be an insane lunatic who would be locked up today in a mental hospital for his own protection and for the protection of society.
    Fact 8 – An insane man is not a role model for anybody. And the laws of America was not inspired by Jesus. “The book is so well written I couldn’t put it down until I finished. Though 18th century America was largely populated by Christians, she leaves no doubt that America’s Founders saw this as reason to keep religion separate from politics. To the disappointment of Christians, it is why “God” was left out of the Constitution. The man who exerted the most influence on the Constitution was John Locke, not Jesus Christ.” http://www.usbible.com/author/moral_minority.htm
    Fact 9 – All so called Christian morals in fact had their roots in the teachings of stoic (pagan) philosophers HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE YOUR GODMAN SUPPOSEDLY CAME ON THE SCENE.
    Fact 10 – Following fact 9 Christians also took the existing pagan celebrations and put a Christian label on them. In reality Christmas and Easter have nothing to do with your Godmans birth and death. These dates was chosen because that is the days when the existing pagan celebrations took place not because a godman was born of a virgin or rose from the dead. (You believe your Godman didn’t record anything about his life but you know his birthday LOL).

  44. Tom Cheria says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8

    Luke 19:27 is absolutely a parable. (Anyone can read Luke and decide for themselves). Anyone with commonsense and basic comprehension can get easily get it. HAHA

    You don’t get to tell me what the parable means to me you can have any sick interpretations but that is not how I interpret. You can shove what you hateful interpretation up your has – I give a damn. Only racists will have your kinda of interpretations. It is not funny that your interpretation and KKK are probably the same – you should be charged with HATE crime to have a hateful interpretation.

    Note: It was Christians (USA and Russia) who kicked Nazi Asses and defeated KKK. LOL It was Christians who defeated Nazism and It was Christian west that banned slavery – a feat poor muhammad or allahTheSATAN could not achieve it.

    JESUS didn’t KILL anyone. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t own slaves – Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t bone female slaves – Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t assassinate people. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t have multiple wives. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t torture people. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t cancel manumission. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t bone his adopted son’s ex wife. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t loot caravan. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t have sex with underage women. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t cross dress – Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t punish people who mocked him. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t assassinate a poetess. Muhammad did.

    On any day it better to live like JESUS and not like Muhammad. LOL. Look at the Western Christian Civilization where 90% of the people TRY to live sinless like JESUS and compare it with any civilization on planet earth.

    When people try hard to live like JESUS you get Amish people or Mother Theresa. When people try hard to live like Muhammad you get ISIS. LOL

    Christianity is a way of life where people try to live sinless like JESUS and it is not a way of life where people try to live like sinned Christians. (I understand you have trouble comprehending this – maybe take a deep breath and try again) LOL

    Ken you have a disease called as HATE unfortunately it has no cure. Get this into your racist head – we will not allow a slave owner(Muhammad) to be respected as perfect man in Christian West.

    Anyone who respects a slave owner as perfect man should be charged with HATE CRIME Period.

    SAY NO TO RACISM
    SAY NO TO MUHAMMAD THE SLAVE OWNER
    ISLAM = Only religion whose founder was a slave owner

    Peace,
    Brown Skinned Immigrant

  45. Steve says:

    “Luke 19:27 is absolutely a parable. (Anyone can read Luke and decide for themselves). Anyone with commonsense and basic comprehension can get easily get it. HAHA” I already explained this parable. The Christians of the 2nd century was dealing with the issue of the “delayed Kingdom”. So this story tells them to grow the lords money (spread the word). Correctly understood, it is the parable of the slothful servant, threatened with “outer darkness. Luke however replaces Matthews final bit threading “outer darkness” to lazy brethren with a more immediate and tangible injunction aimed at “enemies”. So the story is telling Christians to spread the word of the Lord and not hide away AND to kill the enemies of Christ.

    “You don’t get to tell me what the parable means to me you can have any sick interpretations but that is not how I interpret.” It’s a fact Christians was dealing with the issue of the “delayed Kingdom” (in the earlier gospels Jesus is recorded as saying he will return in the lifetime of his disciples). So this a fact, it’s a fact from Matthew that the parable of the slothful servant is telling the Christians to spread the word (the lords money) and the lazy brethren will be thrown into “outer darkness”. And Luke adds the part about slaying enemies was inspired by Josephus’s Antiquities of the Jews which was written around 93 AD. These are facts you are talking bullshit.

    “Note: It was Christians (USA and Russia) who kicked Nazi Asses and defeated KKK. LOL” KKK was Christians. slave owners in America was Christians. Germany was a Christian country and antisemitism had its roots in Christianity. (like luthers “on the Jews and their lies” where he is Influenced by Jesus’s antisemitic rants “In his book On the Jews and their Lies, Luther excoriates them as “venomous beasts, vipers, disgusting scum, canders, devils incarnate.”. “Christian rhetoric and antipathy towards Jews developed in the early years of Christianityand was reinforced by the belief that Jews had killed Christ and ever increasing anti-Jewish measures over the ensuing centuries. The action taken by Christians against Jews included acts of ostracism, humiliation and violence, and murder culminating in the Holocaust.[1]:21[2]:169[3]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_antisemitism

    So Christianity played a major part in causing the holocaust you liar.

    “When people try hard to live like JESUS you get Amish people or Mother Theresa. When people try hard to live like Muhammad you get ISIS. LOL” Or you get the dark ages, pograms against the Jews, torture and murder of “heretics” and “witches”, colonisation and slavery and ultimately the destruction of civilisation. By the way Mother Theresa was a fraudster and a very sick women.

    “Ken you have a disease called as HATE unfortunately it has no cure. Get this into your racist head – we will not allow a slave owner(Muhammad) to be respected as perfect man in Christian West.” Hate what the f are you talking about? And racist where do you get this shit from really?

  46. Tom Cheria says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8

    Luke 19:27 is absolutely a parable. (Anyone can read Luke and decide for themselves). Anyone with commonsense and basic comprehension can get easily get it. HAHA

    You don’t get to tell me what the parable means to me you can have any sick interpretations but that is not how I interpret. You can shove what you hateful interpretation up your has – I give a damn. Only racists will have your kinda of interpretations. It is not funny that your interpretation and KKK are probably the same – you should be charged with HATE crime to have a hateful interpretation.

    Note: It was Christians (USA and Russia) who kicked Nazi Asses and defeated KKK. LOL

    JESUS didn’t KILL anyone. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t own slaves – Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t bone female slaves – Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t assassinate people. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t have multiple wives. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t torture people. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t cancel manumission. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t bone his adopted son’s ex wife. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t loot caravan. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t have sex with underage women. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t cross dress – Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t punish people who mocked him. Muhammad did.
    JESUS didn’t assassinate a poetess. Muhammad did.

    On any day it better to live like JESUS and not like Muhammad. LOL. Look at the Western Christian Civilization where 90% of the people TRY to live sinless like JESUS and compare it with any civilization on planet earth.

    When people try hard to live like JESUS you get Amish people or Mother Theresa. When people try hard to live like Muhammad you get ISIS. LOL

    Christianity is a way of life where people try to live sinless like JESUS and it is not a way of life where people try to live like sinned Christians. (I understand you have trouble comprehending this – maybe take a deep breath and try again) LOL

    Ken you have a disease called as HATE unfortunately it has no cure. Get this into your racist head – we will not allow a slave owner(Muhammad) to be respected as perfect man in Christian West.

    Anyone who respects a slave owner as perfect man should be charged with HATE CRIME Period.

    SAY NO TO RACISM
    SAY NO TO MUHAMMAD THE SLAVE OWNER
    ISLAM = Only religion whose founder was a slave owner

    Peace,
    Brown Skinned Immigrant

  47. Steve says:

    “Luke 19:27 is absolutely a parable. (Anyone can read Luke and decide for themselves). Anyone with commonsense and basic comprehension can get easily get it. HAHA” A story which commands the Christians to kill the enemies of the Lord. (I.e the Jews and pagans)

    “In other words this so-called Parable of the Harsh Master / Parable of the Talents is a story about what Christians are to do with the “gospel” as they wait for the coming of the Kingdom of Heaven. They are to spread the word (“grow the Lord’s money”), not hide it away. Correctly understood, this is the parable of the slothful servant, threatened with “outer darkness.” “Luke followed closely Matthew’s story but replaced the final bit threatening “outer darkness” to lazy brethren with a more immediate and tangible injunction aimed at “enemies”:
    “I tell you, that to every one who has will more be given; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.”
    But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” – 19.27.

    “Let us for argument sake assume what you says is true and when Jesus asked his desciples to kill his enemies how many were enemies of him were killed — The ANSWER IS ZERO (0). LOL” Apart from all the pagans and Jews that was slaughtered in Christ’s name based on nonsense like Luke 19.27 in the bible.

    “Get this into your racist head – we will not allow a slave owner(Muhammad) to be respected as perfect man in Christian West.” I don’t give a Fock about Muhammad so stop saying this.

    “You showed many examples of Christians not living up to Christian Ideals” The Christians justified their behaviour with their holy book.

    “but you have yet to show me 1 man or Women JESUS murdered or owned as slaves and can you prove JESUS boned a female slave.” Jesus believed in all the rapist slave owning prophets of the Old Testament and says all those barbaric laws stand for all times. Indeed Christians believe he is the God (Yahweh) who commanded all that.

    “Muhammad killed, looted, enslaves and boned female slaves” Muhammed was inspired by the Jewish/Christian bible you clown.

    “Christianity is a way of life where people TRY to live sinless like JESUS that doesn’t mean all the people will be able to live like JESUS. There is only 1 100% Christian and that is Jesus everyone else will fall short of being 100% Christian that is sinless. LOL” Jesus if he existed (which he didn’t) would have been just another insane failed apocalyptic preacher who today would be locked up in a mental hospital.

  48. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8

    Luke 19:27 is absolutely a parable. (Anyone can read Luke and decide for themselves). Anyone with commonsense and basic comprehension can get easily get it. HAHA

    Mathew 25 does not say Jesus said to kill his enemies LOL

    ——————————————————–

    Let us for argument sake assume what you says is true and when Jesus asked his desciples to kill his enemies how many were enemies of him were killed — The ANSWER IS ZERO (0). LOL

    Ken you have a disease called as HATE unfortuneately it has no cure. Get this into your racist head – we will not allow a slave owner(Muhammad) to be respected as perfect man in Christian West.

    Anyone who respects a slave owner as perfect man should be charged with HATE CRIME Period.

    SAY NO TO RACISM
    SAY NO TO MUHAMMAD THE SLAVE OWNER
    ISLAM = Only religion whose founder was a slave owner

    Peace,
    Brown Skinned Immigrant

  49. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve

    You showed many examples of Christians not living up to Christian Ideals — but you have yet to show me 1 man or Women JESUS murdered or owned as slaves and can you prove JESUS boned a female slave.

    Muhammad killed, looted, enslaves and boned female slaves.

    Get this into your Racist HEAD – A slave owner is NEVER a perfect man.

    Any person who respects a slave owner as a PERFECT MAN should be charged with HATE CRIME and put in prison and key thrown to the ocean.

    We are going to make Christian West a SAFE PLACE where a slave owner will never be respected as a perfect man. PERIOD.

  50. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve

    Christians consider Jesus as the perfect man ever lived. Muslims consider a slave owner(Muhammad) as the most perfect man ever lived.It is offensive and HATEFUL to respect a slave owner as the most perfect man ever lived.

    Any person who respects a slave owner as the most perfect man ever lived should be CHARGED with HATE CRIME and put in prison. PERIOD.

    SAY NO TO RACISM
    SAY NO TO MUHAMMAD THE SLAVE OWNER
    ISLAM = ONLY RELIGION WHOSE FOUNDER WAS A SLAVE OWNER WHO BONED FEMALE SLAVES.

    Get this into your RACIST HEAD – we won’t allow a slave owner to be respected as perfect man in Christian West – Tough luck Steve.

  51. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve/Ken

    “Loving Your Neighbor? – Killing Your Opponents!”

    All this time you claimed Jesus/Christians was violent and now you are asking why Christians didn’t follow Jesus to the word. HAHA..
    Thanks for confirming that the world would have been so beautiful had everyone followed Jesus to the letter. 🙂

    Christianity is a way of life where people TRY to live sinless like JESUS that doesn’t mean all the people will be able to live like JESUS. There is only 1 100% Christian and that is Jesus everyone else will fall short of being 100% Christian that is sinless. LOL

  52. Steve says:

    “Because we are Christians (follower of JESUS) and we are not called Biblians (follower of Bible) so I would reiterate the following:” You are following your imagination then because the only place with any information on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth is the gospels.

    “ISLAM = only religion whose founder was a racist slave owner. We will not allow a slave owner to be respected as prophet in Christian West. PERIOD.” Christians (and Jesus of Nazareth) respect all the rapist slave owning prophets of Judaism so why is Muhammed different?

    ‘Bible is not written by JESUS hence there is no point to quote bible (I give a damn).” Your Christian but you don’t believe in the bible? Again what kind of Christian are you? And what Jesus do you believe in then and where does your information about this mysterious Jesus come from?

    “Unless you have proof Jesus owned slaves – the arument is moot. We will not allow a slave owner to be respected as prophet in Christian West.” Jesus approves of slavery. He also said all the laws of the testament will stand till the end of the world – and the Old Testament says it’s okay to keep slaves and enslave people.

    “Jesus never asked anyone to bow to him – JESUS(God) is not egomanic like allahTheSATAN.” So why did he tell his followers to abandon and hate their families? Why does say whoever is not with me is against me? Why does he say nobody comes to the father except by him? Why does he say to slay his enemies and burn them? Why did he say the towns who didn’t accept him would have it worse than the people of sodom on the day of judgement? Why does he call the Jews vipers, hypocrites, prophet killers and the sons of satan?

    “Christianity is way of life where people try to live sinless like JESUS it is not a way of life where people try to live like sinned Christians.” Right you live a sinless life like Jesus – even though this sinless life was recorded nowhere!

    It seems you have problems comprehending. If you have proof JESUS killed or conducted holy war bring it to the table.” Jesus commands his enemies to be slain and burnt. He also says all the barbaric laws of the OT still stand – so Christians have a duty to murder pagans destroy their holy places and of course blasphemers and heretics was killed and tortured with bible verses and teachings used to justify it.

    “It comes from Judaism and not from Christianity – anything pre Christian is not Christian.” Your God man – who was a Jewish rabbi – says to obey God and all his laws. And the God of the OT commands and approves of slavery. So it does come from your God man.

    “It’s Christianity which started the concept of holy war for God”
    “HEll no.. Why do you lie so much?” Because it’s a fact Christianity spread by the sword and the Christian church justified this with nonsense in the bible.
    “Crusades were a defensive war to drive out the colonializers.” Loving Your Neighbour? – Killing Your Opponents!
    “The list of religious atrocities committed in the sacrosanct name of Christ is long and varied …

    In proof of this, witness the gibbets, the wheels, the massacres, and the horrible burnings at the stake of nearly a hundred thousand human beings in a single province –

    the massacres and devastations of nine mad crusades of Christians against unoffending Turks, during nearly two hundred years; in which many millions of human beings perished-

    the massacre of the Anabaptists-

    the massacres of the Lutherans and Papists, from the Rhine to the extremities of the north-

    the massacres in Ireland, England, and Scotland, in the time of Charles the First, who was himself massacred-

    the massacres ordered by Henry the Eighth and his daughter Mary-

    the massacres of St. Bartholomew in France; and forty years more of other massacres between the time of Francis the First, and the entry of Henry the Fourth into Paris-

    the massacres of the Inquisition, which are more execrable still, as being judicially committed-

    to say nothing of the innumerable schisms, and twenty wars of popes against popes-bishops against bishops the poisoning assassinations-

    the cruel rapines of more than a dozen of popes, who far exceeded a Nero or Caligula in every species of crime and wickedness-

    the massacre of twelve millions of the inhabitants of the new world, executed CRUCIFIX IN HAND; and all for the honour and glory of the Jewish deity and his son!”

    – Mitchell Logan, Christian Mythology Unveiled, 1842.” All defensive of course!

    “Dumbo(I’m getting angry becuase you did not watch the video, right?? This was clearly explained on the video.” David woods apologist explanation refuted. http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm#luke19
    “Luke 19.27 Not the word of the Lord? Oh yes it is!

    Christian apologists squirm and wriggle over this infamous command of Jesus to murder his enemies. “It’s not Jesus,” they say, “It’s the ‘harsh master’ in the parable.” But is it?

    Luke builds to JC’s big finish in Jerusalem by having his meandering hero tell a series of parables along the way. Luke 19 is the link from Jericho to the Temple itself. In verses 1-10, near Jericho, the godman invites himself into the house of a dwarfish publican called Zacchaeus and rewards the guy with salvation after Zac’ says he is going to give half his goods to the poor.

    At verse 11 a new scene is set: JC is about to depart (and of course he knows crucifixion awaits him); his audience think the Kingdom of God is at hand.

    JC responds with the infamous parable, which is actually an attempt by 2nd century gospel writers to deal with issues raised by the “delayed kingdom”. The believing brethren have the “good news” but what are they to do with it?

    The parable starts with the words “A certain man of noble birth went far to receive a kingdom. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds.” Is this JC? The answer is to be found in an earlier version of the same yarn – in Matthew:

    “For the Kingdom of Heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.” – 25,14

    Matthew tells his version of the story using just 3 servants (they represent the Christian brethren, “servants of the Lord’). “After a long time the Lord of those servants cometh” (25.19). There is a reckoning (the Day of Judgement). The lord is well pleased with 2 of them who have successfully “earned interest on his money.”

    “Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy Lord.” – 25,21.

    The third servant however, who denounces his lord as harsh, says he was “afraid” and simply hid the lord’s investment. A displeased lord turns on him as a “wicked and slothful servant” (25:27).

    The point of the story? This is how Matthew rounds it off:

    “For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

    And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” – 25.29,30.

    In other words this so-called Parable of the Harsh Master / Parable of the Talents is a story about what Christians are to do with the “gospel” as they wait for the coming of the Kingdom of Heaven. They are to spread the word (“grow the Lord’s money”), not hide it away. Correctly understood, this is the parable of the slothful servant, threatened with “outer darkness.”

    When Luke copied Matthew’s efforts he added a new element: “reluctant citizens” of the new kingdom (no doubt he had in mind recalcitrant pagans).

    “But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.” – 19.14.

    Luke followed closely Matthew’s story but replaced the final bit threatening “outer darkness” to lazy brethren with a more immediate and tangible injunction aimed at “enemies”:

    “I tell you, that to every one who has will more be given; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.

    But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” – 19.27.

    Where did Luke get his inspiration? A nobleman “travelling far to receive a kingdom” is a rare enough event. Josephus’s Antiquities of the Jews – Book 17, chapter 11 maps the story and also provides all the ingredients for both 19.14 and 19.27.

    With the death of Herod the Great, his son Archelaus – of noble birth – journeyed to Rome to “receive his kingdom” from Emperor Augustus. But at the same time an embassy of the Jews petitioned Caesar that “out of their hatred to him” Archelaus not “be set over their kingdom”. Archelaus had slaughtered 3000 of his enemies at the Temple. The emperor eventually removed him and sent him into exile in 6 AD.

    Josephus wrote Antiquities of the Jews around 93 AD so whoever “Luke” really was, he was certainly writing his fable later than that.”

    “USA is a secular country where Christianity and all other religions are kept the Fock out of the government.” Christianity does not believe in Theocracy. LOL.” Jesus taught to obey God and his divine laws and as he says a man cannot serve two masters.

    “You remove Christianity and boom goes the secularism. HAHA” Really? The Scandinavia countries are majority atheist but their secularism doesn’t have a problem. And Japan and South Korea are really Christian countries aren’t they? Unless you think people and entire countries can be *christian* without even believing in Jesus? And if you say they adopt “Christian” moral principles preached by your Godman. I remind you all those teachings was taught by Greek and Roman pagan philosophers hundreds of years before the Godman supposedly lived. And hence they did not originate with your Godman and they certainly don’t depend on any Christian religious dogma.

    “Thinking God has sent you to be tortured and killed in order for God to be able to forgive humanity is the behavior of an insane man.” — “you are free to believe that but that is not the way I see it.” Then you must be insane as well if you can’t see a man preaching such nonsense and getting himself killed and tortured based on that nonsense is a lunatic.

    “Getting killed is not a sin and his purpose was only to the point to be a role model to the world. Look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% try to emulate Jesus. Show me another civilization as successful as WCC until than dancing, drinking and partying HAHA” A man who believes God has sent him to be tortured and killed in order to convince himself to forgive humanity for their crimes is an insane lunatic and such a person can’t be a role model to anybody let alone the whole world.

    “What kind of Christian are you? Christians believe in “the father” (as part of a trinity)”
    “Jesus was talking about himself. JESUS = Absolute Goodness = God. Christian is someone who TRIES to live sinless like JESUS and belief in trinity is NOT a must to be a Christian. I don’t go to church and that is also perfectly fine.” Well Jesus speaks about the father he also says prays to his father and says his father knows things that even he (the son) doesn’t.

  53. Tom Cheria says:

    “How can you speak against slavery from a Christian perspective when the bible (old testament) condones slavery?…”

    Because we are Christians (follower of JESUS) and we are not called Biblians (follower of Bible) so I would reiterate the following:

    In fact it is offensive to respect a slave owner as a prophet. It is high time to BAN respecting a slave owner as prophet in Christian West. Anyone who is respecting a slave owner as prophet should be charged with HATE CRIME and put in prison. PERIOD.

    ISLAM = only religion whose founder was a racist slave owner. We will not allow a slave owner to be respected as prophet in Christian West. PERIOD.

    Bible is not written by JESUS hence there is no point to quote bible (I give a damn). Unless you have proof Jesus owned slaves – the arument is moot. We will not allow a slave owner to be respected as prophet in Christian West.

    “Jesus never asked anyone to bow to him – JESUS(God) is not egomanic like allahTheSATAN.”
    Christianity is way of life where people try to live sinless like JESUS it is not a way of life where people try to live like sinned Christians. It seems you have problems comprehending. If you have proof JESUS killed or conducted holy war bring it to the table.

    “It comes from Judaism and Christianity.” – It comes from Judaism and not from Christianity – anything pre Christian is not Christian. If you have a problem with pre Christian Jewish history in old testament please visit an ADL office near UK where you live and ask them to condemn it. I am cool with that 🙂

    “He also says you can beat your slaves – even if they don’t know they have done wrong”
    Did you see the video where Sam Harris is asking people to slay his enemies. Why is that you are not registering a HATE crime case against him in UK since you live in UK. (If you don’t think he commited HATE CRIME then if you have basic common sense you know why above said is also moot” HAHA

    “It’s Christianity which started the concept of holy war for God”
    HEll no.. Why do you lie so much?

    Crusades were a defensive war to drive out the colonializers. Muslims are still occupiying North Afirca and Meccan Pagan Temple. When will Arab Muslims vacate North Africa to blacks? When will Muslims give back Mecca back to Pagans?

    “Jesus says he enemies should be slain and burnt.” — Dumbo(I’m getting angry becuase you did not watch the video, right?? This was clearly explained on the video. Let me paste one more time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8 Please don’t reply until you watch this video – I don’t have the time to repeat over an over again.

    “USA is a secular country where Christianity and all other religions are kept the Fock out of the government.” Christianity does not believe in Theocracy. LOL. Show me how many places in the world there exists secularism like you find in christian west except in Japan & South Korea. Both of these countries had imbibed Christian Culture after world war 2 becuase US was helping them rise up. You remove Christianity and boom goes the secularism. HAHA

    Psalms 24:1 why are you quoting Psalms. Dumbo I have been telling you many times JESUS did not write bible. I give a damn what is in Pslams.

    “Thinking God has sent you to be tortured and killed in order for God to be able to forgive humanity is the behavior of an insane man.” — you are free to believe that but that is not the way I see it.

    Getting killed is not a sin and his purpose was only to the point to be a role model to the world. Look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% try to emulate Jesus. Show me another civilization as successful as WCC until than dancing, drinking and partying HAHA

    “What kind of Christian are you? Christians believe in “the father” (as part of a trinity)”

    Jesus was talking about himself. JESUS = Absolute Goodness = God. Christian is someone who TRIES to live sinless like JESUS and belief in trinity is NOT a must to be a Christian. I don’t go to church and that is also perfectly fine.

    Christianity is a way of life where people TRY to live sinless like JESUS and celebrate Christmas(It is fun) — that is all what it takes. It is very simple and even less dogmatic than religion of atheism or of course billion times better than worshiping the Satan(Allah).

    Up until at least 51% of Western World celebrates Christmas – Western Civilization is Christian and it is still rocking. Look at the lines of non Christians lining up Western Consulates to come to west. What more proof do you need that Western Christian Civilization rocks???

  54. Steve says:

    “NOW Christmas is celebrated to mark Jesus’s Birthday. Christmas is celebrated to mark Birth of Jesus. Period. Get over it pal HAHA – Are you Jealous that Jesus’s birthday is getting so much coverage and its so popular??” Jesus of Nazareth is a fictional character his birthday is just as made up as everything as. (Funny don’t you think that the birthdate that the Christians came up with happened at the same time as the existing pagan celebrations?)

    “Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization – Western Civilization is not Buddhist, Islamic or Polythiest or Athiests – Get over it.” When Christianity came to power Europe was very much like Afghanistan under the Taliban. Christianity wrecked civilisation – only after power was wrestled from the fanatics of Christ did the western world start to thrive again.

    “Even Separation of church and state is based on Jesus’s teaching – give unto Caesar.. give unto God. ” Actually this is a misunderstanding. “So what He said was “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s.” Let’s look further into the passage.
    First, we need to put the encounter into perspective. We need to keep in mind that the men asking the question meant to “entangle” Jesus. Read verse 16 again. You can almost hear the treachery as they try to flatter Jesus into making a mistake. You see, it was against Jewish law to pay tribute to Caesar. But it was against Caesars law to not pay the tribute. In verse 18 we see that “Jesus perceived their wickedness.” If Jesus answered that they should not pay the tribute, they would have called the Roman authorities and had Him arrested for crimes against Caesar. If He answered that they should pay the tribute they would be able to speak against Him to the Jews. Jesus didn’t give them the satisfaction. That leaves us to determine what Jesus meant.

    Next, we must understand how Jesus responded. He asked to be shown the money that was used to pay tribute to Caesar. An understanding of the money is very important to an understanding of Jesus’ remarks. Verse 19 says that they brought Jesus a penny. This would most likely have been a denarius. There were many varieties of this coin. Every Caesar minted a variety of coins to promote himself and his political ambitions. One of the denarius minted by Tiberius was inscribed “Augustus Tiberius, son of the Divine Augustus.” Tiberius considered himself the son of divinity. On a coin minted by Augustus, he declared himself “Son of God.” The Caesars generally considered themselves deity. The Romans didn’t care about your religious beliefs, as long as once a year you would take a pinch of salt and say Caesar is Lord. Many first century believers died because they refused to take that pinch of salt.

    Lastly, we must remember that the men that asked the question “marveled” at His answer. Why did they marvel? As the verse is taught in the party-line church, there is really nothing to marvel at. According to them, Jesus said to pay the tribute. Again I’ll ask, did He?

    Now let’s look at some other scripture. In particular, I want to point out scripture that explains what is Caesar’s and what is God’s, because Jesus didn’t say render to Caesar, but rather render to Caesar what is Caesars.

    Perhaps the clearest example as to what God sees as His is found in Psalms 24:1 “The earth is the LORD’s, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.” God says it’s all His! Are you a creation of God or a creation of Caesar? Do you, like the Apostle Paul, live, move, and have your being in Him? Can you do all things through Christ that strengthens you? Have you found some way to serve two masters? Christ said you couldn’t!
    But we know that the world has been given to Satan. After Jesus had been on His forty day fast, (Matthew 4:8-9) “…the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.” Jesus had just pointed out Satan’s other lies, but to this He replied (Matthew 4:10) “Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” Jesus is making the same point in the passage we are studying here! But I am getting ahead of myself.
    When Jesus said “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s” He was saying, decide who is your god. Is it the prince of this world or the God of Abraham? That’s why the men that posed the question marveled at the answer. Jesus didn’t tell you to serve any other master. The Jews would have looked at the image and inscription and would have known that Jesus was not saying to pay the tax. Would Jesus have acknowledged that Caesar was god? Yet without saying that, Jesus conveyed His message loud and clear to the wicked Jewish leaders.

    The PLC (party-line church) tells us to obey all government (al la Romans 13 and 1st Peter 2:13, etc.) forgetting that the same Paul that wrote Romans also wrote to the Ephesians (6:12) “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” The same Peter that wrote the epistle died at the hands of the government.” http://www.thelordsway.net/Beliefs/render.htm

    “Why is that you don’t want to immigrate to a atheistic or polytheist country and enjoy Polytheism or Atheism HAHA. It shows how bankrupt you are where as I immigrated to USA to live among Christians. It was never money that drove me to immigrate I was rich even before I immigrated to USA.” USA is a secular country where Christianity and all other religions are kept the Fock out of the government. If Christianity ruled the government (like it did in the Roman Empire) it would be indistinguishable from living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    “If God appointed people to record his sons/his own life and teachings”
    “HAHA Did I say JESUS appointed people. HELL NO — JESUS DID NOT APPOINT ANYONE TO record his life.” Cool God sends his son to die for the crimes of all humanity and he wants all humans to be saved from his hell but doesn’t bother to record and preserve his life and teachings right?

    “But your omnipotent holy father couldn’t even do that according to what your saying here.” — “This is moot because Jesus did not appoint anyone to record his history LOL. ” Then what was the point in coming to earth to die for humanity’s sins if nobody took a record of the life of the greatest God man who ever lived?

    “That is not the purpose of Jesus. His purpose was only to be a role model for people to emulate. Look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% TRY to emulate him” You can’t be a role model if no historical record of your life exists or if it is full of lies and myths.

    “God = JESUS = Absolute Goodness. There is only omnipotent Absolute Goodness aka Jesus not omnipotent father. LOL” What kind of Christian are you? Christians believe in “the father” (as part of a trinity) and Jesus says all things are possible for God (the father).

    “Every facet of Western Christian Civilization is touched by the character of Jesus. Get over it pal.” No it’s not Jesus of Nazareth is a fictional character who is not responsible for anything – let alone western civilisation.

    “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)” — “Ephesians is not written by JESUS LOL” I also quoted Jesus where he says you can beat your slaves. According to you he is hell now since he clearly approved of slavery.

    “What is moral about getting yourself nailed on a cross” — “It shows that getting killed is NOT a sin but killing others is a SIN.” Thinking God has sent you to be tortured and killed in order for God to be able to forgive humanity is the behaviour of an insane man.

    “Allah the satan constantly asks muslims to sin by killing Jews and Christians. You can see the difference of the character of Christian God(JESUS) and allah’s egomanical devlish character,.’ Jesus says he enemies should be slain and burnt. Also Jesus is supposed to the demon God Jehovah – the jealous, racist, sexist, sadistic and psychopathic deity who raped, enslaved, and tortured the people who didn’t believe in him. Just like Muhammad did who copied the behaviour of this demon Yahweh.

    “Jesus never asked anyone to bow to him – JESUS(God) is not egomanic like allahTheSATAN.” Which is a lie. Its Christianity who introduced the concept of eternal hell for unbelievers. It’s Christianity which started the concept of holy war for God. it’s Christianity which tortured “heretics” in the most horrific ways and Christianity which massacred “pagans” destroyed their holy places, science, culture and art. Christianity did all this before Muhammad.

    “Jesus never owned slaves. Jesus never approved slavery” Which is a lie.
    There was a man who was caught for theft and contempory punishment during 0 – 34 AD was amputation of arms. When the judge sentenced the thief’s arms to be amputed he pleaded with the victim and he opted for being an indentured servant/slave without compensation in lieu of not getting his arms amputated.
    “After the theif opted for this arrangement he would disobey his master, that is when Jesus asked the thief to obey his master. I’m perfectly fine with Jesus saying that as he was asking the thief to obey the “contract” which the thief opted for.” In other words Jesus has no problem with and in fact condones slavery you liar. He also says you can beat your slaves – even if they don’t know they have done wrong. (Nor does he say anything against the cruel and unusual punishment of limps being amputated I notice).

    (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) — Christianity is NOT a way of life trying to live like Timothy. JESUS didn’t write Timothy HAHA
    “Bible is NOT written by JESUS. HAHA” Then how do know Jesus existed? Especially since you admit Christians lie and make things up and inert their own ideas and opinions into the bible?

    “It was Arab Muslims who rounded up poor blacks and sold them into slavery. Sinned christian only practised slavery for 3 centuries but Muslims pracitised it for 1400 years. ISLAM = only religion whose founder was a racist slave owner.” And where does the idea that God hates unbelievers and “pagans” and has allowed and commands the believers to enslave them and rape them come from? It comes from Judaism and Christianity.

    “I am also consistent all Christian Slave Owners including American Founding Fathers are now rotting in HELL along with Muhammad the slave owner and AllahTheSATAN.” Which also means Jesus is in hell since he clearly approved of slavery.

    “In fact it is offensive to respect a slave owner as a prophet. It is high time to BAN respecting a slave owner as prophet in Christian West. Anyone who is respecting a slave owner as prophet should be charged with HATE CRIME and put in prison.” How can you speak against slavery from a Christian perspective when the bible (both new and old) commands and condones slavery?

  55. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8
    Watch this where Sam Harris (Atheist demigod) asking people to kill his enemies and other places where he is railing against homosexuals. LOL Ideally Sam Harris should be charged with HATE CRIME. HAHA (Please watch the full video)

    “You do know Christmas was originally a pagan festival right?”
    It doesn’t matter. NOW Christmas is celebrated to mark Jesus’s Birthday. Christmas is celebrated to mark Birth of Jesus. Period. Get over it pal HAHA – Are you Jealous that Jesus’s birthday is getting so much coverage and its so popular??

    Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization – Western Civilization is not Buddhist, Islamic or Polythiest or Athiests – Get over it.

    Western civilization’s success is based on majority of it’s citizens trying to live sinless like JESUS. Even Separation of church and state is based on Jesus’s teaching – give unto Caesar.. give unto God. Look at yourself you hate Christianity yet you live in a country surrounded by Christians. Why is that you don’t want to immigrate to a atheistic or polytheist country and enjoy Polytheism or Atheism HAHA. It shows how bankrupt you are where as I immigrated to USA to live among Christians. It was never money that drove me to immigrate I was rich even before I immigrated to USA.

    “If God appointed people to record his sons/his own life and teachings”
    HAHA Did I say JESUS appointed people. HELL NO — JESUS DID NOT APPOINT ANYONE TO record his life.

    “But your omnipotent holy father couldn’t even do that according to what your saying here.” — This is moot because Jesus did not appoint anyone to record his history LOL. That is not the purpose of Jesus. His purpose was only to be a role model for people to emulate. Look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% TRY to emulate him 🙂

    God = JESUS = Absolute Goodness. There is only omnipotent Absolute Goodness aka Jesus not omnipotent father. LOL

    The success of Westen Christian Civilization has everything to do with the fact that it is Christian. Every facet of Western Christian Civilization is touched by the character of Jesus. Get over it pal.

    “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)” — Ephesians is not written by JESUS LOL

    Christianity is a way of life where people TRY to live like JESUS and not it is not a way of life trying to live like Ephesians or else we would be called Ephesisians and not Christian.

    “What is moral about getting yourself nailed on a cross” — It shows that getting killed is NOT a sin but killing others is a SIN. Allah the satan constantly asks muslims to sin by killing Jews and Christians. You can see the difference of the character of Christian God(JESUS) and allah’s egomanical devlish character,.

    Even Idol worship or poop worship is million times better than worshiping the satan(allah). Poop or idols don’t ask people to kill. Satan tried 3 times to make Jesus bow to him and failed but unfortunately Satan succeeded in making 1.5 Billion people bow to him 5 times daily. Jesus never asked anyone to bow to him – JESUS(God) is not egomanic like allahTheSATAN.

    Jesus never owned slaves. Jesus never approved slavery – he asked people to treat others how they would like to be treated.

    Luke 12:47– HAHA a parable.

    There was a man who was caught for theft and contempory punishment during 0 – 34 AD was amputation of arms. When the judge sentenced the thief’s arms to be amputed he pleaded with the victim and he opted for being an indentured servant/slave without compensation in lieu of not getting his arms amputated. After the theif opted for this arrangement he would disobey his master, that is when Jesus asked the thief to obey his master. I’m perfectly fine with Jesus saying that as he was asking the thief to obey the “contract” which the thief opted for.

    (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) — Christianity is NOT a way of life trying to live like Timothy. JESUS didn’t write Timothy HAHA

    Bible is NOT written by JESUS. HAHA

    “It was the Christians who enslaved those people in the first place and the church who practiced it for centuries- with holy scripture to support this practice as well.”
    It was Arab Muslims who rounded up poor blacks and sold them into slavery. Sinned christian only practised slavery for 3 centuries but Muslims pracitised it for 1400 years. ISLAM = only religion whose founder was a racist slave owner.

    I am also consistent all Christian Slave Owners including American Founding Fathers are now rotting in HELL along with Muhammad the slave owner and AllahTheSATAN.

    In fact it is offensive to respect a slave owner as a prophet. It is high time to BAN respecting a slave owner as prophet in Christian West. Anyone who is respecting a slave owner as prophet should be charged with HATE CRIME and put in prison.

    Muhammad banned pork and Alcohol yet slavery of non muslims is HALAL. Is Pork worse than SLAVERY? Is Alcohol worse than SLAVERY. Anyone who respects a slave owner as a prophet should be charged with HATE CRIME.

    SAY NO TO RACISM
    SAY NO TO MUHAMMAD THE SLAVE OWNER
    BAN RESPECTING OF A SLAVE OWNER AS PROPHET

  56. Steve says:

    “I assume you live in a country where 90% of your fellow country men celebrate Christmas.If yes why don’t you immigrate to another country and escape from your fellow Christians?? LOL.” You do know Christmas was originally a pagan festival right?
    “Yule or Yuletide (“Yule time”) was and is a festival observed by the historical Germanic peoples. Scholars have connected the celebration to the Wild Hunt, the god Odin, and the pagan Anglo-Saxon Mōdraniht. It later underwent Christianized reformulation resulting in the term Christmastide.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

    “Interpretatio christiana (Latin for Christian interpretation, also Christian reinterpretation) is adaptation of non-Christian elements of culture or historical facts to the worldview of Christianity.[1] The term is commonly applied to recasting of religious and cultural activities, beliefs and imageries of “pagan” peoples into a Christianized form as a strategy for Christianization” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretatio_Christiana

    “Even if it was a fiction look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% of tried to live sinless like Jesus(finational character).” What sinless life? Jesus if he existed at all (which he probably didn’t) was nothing but a failed apocalyptic preacher whack job.

    “Because bible is not written by JESUS – LOL.
    Christians believe JESUS=GOD for Bible to be the word of God it had to be written by JESUS. BIBLE is not written by JESUS.” If God appointed people to record his sons/his own life and teachings you would think he would make sure it contained only historical fact and statements and NOT myths and legends from pagan religions and the false opinions of the authors? But your omnipotent holy father couldn’t even do that according to what your saying here.

    “Western Civilization is Christian and undoubtedly Western Civilization is still CHRISTIAN and it is not buddhist, Jewsish, islamic, hindu or atheistic. Compare it with successes of athiestic Cuba or North Korea LOL. 90% of Western World still celebrates Christmas. Western Civilization will be Christian until the point we have 51% of Western World celebrate Christmas.” The success of western civilisation has nothing to do with a eccentric preacher being resurrected from the dead.

    “Who is asking you to worship yahweh. Jesus never asked anyone to worship him and he is not an egomanic like allah.” Cool that’s why Jesus said to slay his enemies and burn them? And on the day of judgement it will be worse for those towns that rejected him than the people of sodom?

    ‘It was not buddhist, athiest or muslims who fought against slavery and defeated christian southerners in USA.” It was the Christians who enslaved those people in the first place and the church who practiced it for centuries- with holy scripture to support this practice as well. “Slave-owning Church
    “The prime cause, then, of slavery is sin, which brings man under the dominion of his fellow … Moreover, when men are subjected to one another in a peaceful order, the lowly position does as much good to the servant as the proud position does harm to the master … This servitude is, however, penal, and is appointed by that law which enjoins the preservation of the natural order and forbids its disturbance.”

    – St Augustine, City of God (De Civitate Dei), XIX, 15.

    By the time the Church came to power it was already a major slave owner, preserving at least one aspect of ancient Roman civilization. But what the Church rapidly jettisoned were pagan Rome’s laws concerning the rights of slaves and the possible attainment of their freedom. Slavery in Christendom was for life.”

    Christianity reduced the rights that slaves had under the pagan Roman Empire and made it impossible for slaves to attain freedom.

    “Popular culture ensures that we are all more familiar with the slavery of ancient Rome than we are with the so-called “serfdom” of the Christian centuries which followed.

    Yet the empire of Rome, until the decline of the 4th century, encouraged and facilitated the manumission of slavery into freedom on a vast scale, and with it the growth of a large and important class of free or freed men. Nor did social mobility end merely with a former slave gaining his freedom. Many slaves are known to history because they became successful, wealthy and even powerful men in their own right, some themselves becoming slave-owners in turn.

    Former slaves became freedmen holding important positions in the state bureaucracy. The children of slaves could, and did, become powerful “Romans” – up to and including Emperor of all the Romans.

    Diocletian – one of the greatest of the Roman emperors, who ruled for thirty years and then retired – had parents who were born slaves.

    In the Christian monarchy that began with Constantine slavery was extended and made harsher. Instead of manumission the new hereditary employments of labourers and peasants created a ‘serfdom’ worse than slavery.

    Women, in particular, were singled out for subjugation and punishment. With the example of the blessed, ever-pure Virgin Mary set before them at every turn all non-virgins were pronounced whores and Jezebels. In time the sentence on women, so misogynously voiced by Tertullian, would lead to enforced celibacy, joyless marriage and witch burning.”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/cost.html

    So the pagan Roman Empire was more moral on this issue than the Christian church was for centuries which means yours claims are bull.

    “Jesus never owned slaves. Christianity is a way of life where people try to live like JESUS and it is not a way of life where people TRY to live like sinned Christians – LOL” Jesus was a mad man preacher what is moral about getting yourself nailed on a cross because you believe you are God or his son and he has sent you to die a gruesome death to pay for other people’s crimes and the world is about to end? By the way Jesus and the New Testament also approves of slavery so he should also be in hell.

    “You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

    In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.

    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)”

    http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/slavery/

  57. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve
    I assume you live in a country where 90% of your fellow country men celebrate Christmas.If yes why don’t you immigrate to another country and escape from your fellow Christians?? LOL.

    Why is that there has no successful non Christian Civilizations — I will grade Japan(10% Christian) and South Korea(30% Christian) as half decent civilizations.

  58. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve

    The “sinless life of Jesus” as recorded in the New Testament is nothing but a fiction. Let us for argument sake buy your argument that it was a fiction. Even if it was a fiction look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% of tried to live sinless like Jesus(finational character).

    Show me a civilization as successful as Western Christian Civilization – Show me an alternative please LOL.

    “You believe the Gospels are a historical record of what your God man said and did so how is it not the word of God?”
    Because bible is not written by JESUS – LOL.

    Christians believe JESUS=GOD for Bible to be the word of God it had to be written by JESUS. BIBLE is not written by JESUS.

    “1) Bible is not a history book it’s a book of myths. 2) Why does it contain opinions which are wrong?”

    Bible contains opinions which are wrong becuase it was NOT written by JESUS(God man) but by men. LOL

    “The success of western civilisation has nothing to do with a morbid cult based on a mythical God man.”
    Western Civilization is Christian and undoubtedly Western Civilization is still CHRISTIAN and it is not buddhist, Jewsish, islamic, hindu or atheistic. Compare it with successes of athiestic Cuba or North Korea LOL. 90% of Western World still celebrates Christmas. Western Civilization will be Christian until the point we have 51% of Western World celebrate Christmas.

    “Why worship Yahweh or the delusional (and mythical) Jesus of Nazareth?”
    Who is asking you to worship yahweh. Jesus never asked anyone to worship him and he is not an egomanic like allah.
    Christians just have to have Jesus as role model and try to leave as SINLESS as JESUS – That’s all what it takes to be a Christian.

    Europe and Western World is STILL CHRISTIAN – 90% STILL CELEBRATES CHRISTMAS – LOL.

    My God man(JESUS) never owned slaves and it was Christian West that banned slavery a feat poor allah or Muhammad the slave owner could not acheive. It was Christians(Northern USA) who fought against slavery and almost all of the abolistionst were devout Christians who reasoned with other “sinful christians” against slavery. It was not buddhist, athiest or muslims who fought against slavery and defeated christian southerners in USA.

    Again it was Christians(USA and Russia) who defeated nazism – again it was not Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, Jewsish or anyone who acheived that.

    I am consistent that all slave owner including some Jewish Prophets who owned slaves, Muhammad (Islamic Prophet) and American Fouding fathers are now rotting in HELL along with Muhamamd and SATAN(allah).

    Jesus never owned slaves. Christianity is a way of life where people try to live like JESUS and it is not a way of life where people TRY to live like sinned Christians – LOL

  59. Steve says:

    “Christianity = way of life where people ‘TRY’ to live SINLESS like JESUS.” The “sinless life of Jesus” as recorded in the New Testament is nothing but a fiction.

    “The sinless life of JESUS is the word of God. Bible ‘has’ ‘word of God’ in it.” You believe the Gospels are a historical record of what your God man said and did so how is it not the word of God?

    “Bible is history with opinions of which some opinions are wrong as well.” 1) Bible is not a history book it’s a book of myths. 2) Why does it contain opinions which are wrong?

    “Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% celebrate Christmas and 99% reject allah and compare WCC with allah’s islamic civilization.” The success of western civilisation has nothing to do with a morbid cult based on a mythical God man.

    “Why worship allah who could not even help Muslims create a half decent civilization???” Why worship Yahweh or the delusional (and mythical) Jesus of Nazareth? “Lost World – Civilization erased
    by Christian piety, fanaticism and ambition

    “Imagine a world run by the “Taliban” for a thousand years. Imagine every civic amenity, every theatre, every stadium and every leisure centre either destroyed or consecrated to God.
    Imagine women confined to domestic slavery, imagine unbelievers tortured to death, imagine education and science dismissed as an irrelevance and the only approved learning study of the Holy Book.

    Imagine the only cure for sickness is prayer and imagine men dying in almost continuous Holy War.

    Stop imagining. You are thinking of Christian Europe. It’s not a dream. It’s history.”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world1.html

    “ISLAM = Only Religion whose founder(Muhammad) was a vile racist slave owner.” Your God man didn’t say anything against slavery either. And the Christians practiced it for centuries http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/slavery.html

    “It doesn’t matter how much it cost we will not allow offensive respecting of Muhammad or HITLER. PERIOD.” When did I say the rapist pedophile war Lord Muhammad should be respected?

  60. Tom Cheria says:

    @Steve

    Christianity = way of life where people ‘TRY’ to live SINLESS like JESUS. Every religion is a way of life – even Atheism and Nazism is also a way of life hence religion. Some ways of life are Good and some really bad. Christianity and Buddhism are good religions(way of life) and Nazism and Islam are vile religions. Rest of the religions in between.

    For Christians — God = Absolute Goodness = Jesus.

    You got Bible wrong – Bible is NOT the word of God. The sinless life of JESUS is the word of God. Bible ‘has’ ‘word of God’ in it.

    Bible is written by men inspired by the greatness of God and not inspired by God. Bible is history with opinions of which some opinions are wrong as well.

    Open your eyes and look at the success of Western Christian Civilization where 90% celebrate Christmas and 99% reject allah and compare WCC with allah’s islamic civilization. Why worship allah who could not even help Muslims create a half decent civilization???

    ISLAM = Only Religion whose founder(Muhammad) was a vile racist slave owner.

    Muhammad owned 34 male and 16 female slaves – Muhammad even boned female slaves. Muhammad only asked to free Muslim slaves which is apartheid and worse apartheid than SA. Muhammad cancelled manumission at least twice which is worse than owning slaves.

    We will not allow any racists to respect HITLER or Muhammad the slave owner to be respected as prophet in Christian West. Tough luck Steve.

    It doesn’t matter how much it cost we will not allow offensive respecting of Muhammad or HITLER. PERIOD.

    Peace,
    Brown Skinned Immigrant

  61. Steve says:

    “In dealing with enemies, “Jesus” vacillates between naive passivity and vindictive intransigence. The pagans had a clearer and more realistic grasp on reality.”
    Okay, thanks.
    “However these philosophers could`nt win the world but the Godman allegedly did.
    After victory over the Roman paganism, result of four centuries of struggle Christianity was finally free. The major adversary, the Roman State religion, which stretched its existence until the beginning of the fifth century could not prevent the emergence of Christianity.
    How do you explain that.” Not by the holy sprit that’s for sure! “Psycho-Terrorism
    The Roman Empire lasted more than a thousand years and persecuted Christians for fewer than twelve of them. The ‘Christian Empire’ also lasted more than a thousand years and persecuted non-Christians through all of them.

    Until the early years of the 2nd century, Roman administrators were ignorant of the existence of the Christians. For a generation that followed they remained indifferent to this obscure ‘Jewish’ sect (and its many different factions) but, in time, this indifference gave way to contempt and then irritation.

    The still marginal but growing numbers of Christians turned the misfortunes of the Roman world to their advantage. The radicals directed their energies towards frightened widows and abandoned children, towards the slave and criminal classes. Every defeat in battle, every pestilence and natural calamity, was seized upon as evidence of divine censure and retribution. With zeal and anticipation, the Christians predicted further ruin and desolation. Among the feckless peoples of the great cities, the fear of imminent judgement and the threat of eternal torment were spread like a contagion. Only by submission to Christ could the individual hope for salvation. “Babylon” would surely fall and most of humanity would perish.

    Yet it was only when the empire was itself in peril that the Roman state acted violently against the enthusiasts of Christ, and only then because the obstinate prejudices of the zealots undermined desperate measures taken to defend Roman civilization.

    Bad is Good

    By concerted psycho-terrorism the Christians demoralised a population immeasurably larger than their own diminutive numbers. Ultimately, the self-confidence and majestic pride of Rome, which had wrested a world from the barbarian, was sapped and eroded by the partisans of Christ. By the mid-years of the 3rd century the empire began fragmenting, with separatist regimes in Gaul and Syria, and its only recourse was to lurch into military despotism and a corporate state.

    The 3rd century was an age of chronic instability for the Roman world. After the corruption introduced by the Syrian monarchs first the Praetorian Guard and then the frontier Legions intervened repeatedly in the making and breaking of emperors.

    This militarisation of the state was reflected in the church itself, which, by the late 3rd century, had purged itself of independent minds and had replaced democratic elements by disciplined hierarchy. The defeated factions, like mutinous bodies of troops, seceded and continued a resistance. The main body of the church, committed to the ‘orthodoxy’ of international organisation if not yet the ‘orthodoxy’ of doctrine, confronted the Roman State as a “Republic within the Republic”, with its own treasury, laws, magistrates and command structure.

    When, in the early 4th century, reluctant emperors attempted to eradicate the public menace it was too late. Though the Christians constituted perhaps five per cent of the population they were concentrated in enclaves in the key cities of the east. When the churches were closed the imperial palace at Nicomedia was twice fire bombed. When the zealots were arrested, an ambitious prince in the west, Constantine, made the fanatics of Christ the subject of his patronage and protection.”

    So that is how Christianity spread. http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/persecutions.html
    Also the Godman himself is nothing but a myth and in fact there was many different views of who and what “Jesus” was – In fact the early Christians did not even believe in a flesh and blood Jesus!

    ” For early Christians, Christ had NO physical existence. For them, he was not born, nor did he die.

    “Jesus” in the early Gnostic gospels (Gospel of Thomas, Odes of Solomon, etc. ) is a teacher, a guide to spiritual development. He is placed in no historical context nor is he crucified.

    Christ was the spirit or wisdom of God, present in all things. To attain self knowledge was to know “Christ.”

    “Mainstream Christianity maintains the deceit that its collection of Jesus anecdotes and incidents are reports of actual comings and goings of their godman and were told “from the beginning” by his followers and fans.

    Collectively they buttress the falsehood that what passes for mainstream Christianity or “orthodoxy” originated with JC himself (rather than in the 4th century with the newly empowered hierarchs of the Church).

    With this lie in place, all the alternative stories told for 300 years by “heterodox” opponents, necessarily had to be denounced as pious fantasy. Were the heterodox to be the only liars it would indeed be curious. For it would mean that all the foremost Christian writers for over three centuries – without exception leaders and bishops of their Christian fraternities – wilfully suppressed an obvious and divine truth and chose instead to invent their own exotic fantasies.”

    “The first Christian books – earlier than the synoptic gospels.

    52 manuscripts, sewn into 13 books … a priceless Gnostic library, hidden from the pyromaniacs of orthodoxy for 1600 years”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/gnostic.html

    “The literature of the world is filled with invented characters. With good reason it is called fiction. Jesus did not produce the Church. The Church produced its own self-serving fiction: the story of Jesus. In the early decades of the 2nd century, that is within less than a hundred years of the supposed life and death of a human saviour, the Christians that we know of were propagating the cause of a wholly spiritual Christ. If this Christ were accorded a life at all, it was in mythic “ancient times.”

    In the two centuries that followed, a number of individuals contributed to the process of anthropomorphizing their celestial hero into the flesh and blood miracle-worker known to all.”Jesus of Nazareth” never lived but his life was invented to underpin adoration of the ineffable cosmic Christ and obedience to his worldly taskmaster, Holy Mother Church.

    That Christ would also grow, in step with the authority and majesty of the Church, from an ’emanation’ or messenger of God into an eternal, co-creator of the universe. But it was not the aeons of ethereal eternity that would be turned into a pageant for the lost and gullible. In the scattered communities, ghettoes, and slums of the Roman Empire it was an ancient tale of sacrifice and re-birth that would be dressed up in new Christian clothes.”

    Even the apostle Paul did not believe in a physical Jesus but a spiritual Jesus!

    “Paul records not one thing from an earthly life of his saviour. In all of the thirteen epistles ascribed to Paul he quotes not a single saying of Jesus. Throughout his letters Paul refers to a spiritual Christ whose redeeming sacrifice had conquered death. For Paul and the other early Christians, Christ was not a human being, but an “apparition”, an emanation from God, whose Word, indeed, spoke through him. And when he spoke it was of the “End Time” and imminent Judgement Day.

    Pared down to its essentials Paul’s gnostic logic argued: from time immemorial “Christos” had been the Son of God. This Christos had sacrificed himself in a remote past in order to be reborn within man. His “resurrection” and “life” are realized again within initiates such as Paul himself and those who accept him.

    It surely is a tad more than curious than none of the other documents more or less contemporary with Paul’s epistles – Shepherd of Hermas, Didache, 1 Clement, Revelation of St John, epistle to the Hebrews, epistle of Barnabas – say anything from the “Jesus of Nazareth” fairy tale known to every child today.

    Is it not more than reasonable to suggest that at this stage the story had not yet been fabricated?”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/beginnings.html

  62. A.H. says:

    “In dealing with enemies, “Jesus” vacillates between naive passivity and vindictive intransigence. The pagans had a clearer and more realistic grasp on reality.”

    Okay, thanks.

    However these philosophers could`nt win the world but the Godman allegedly did.

    After victory over the Roman paganism, result of four centuries of struggle Christianity was finally free. The major adversary, the Roman State religion, which stretched its existence until the beginning of the fifth century could not prevent the emergence of Christianity.

    How do you explain that.

  63. Steve says:

    +A.H.

    “Which stoic philosophers taught that so explicitly?”

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/seneca.html

    “Pagans Knew Better

    Enemies

    In dealing with enemies, “Jesus” vacillates between naive passivity and vindictive intransigence. The pagans had a clearer and more realistic grasp on reality.

    Pagans

    “Who is there among us who does not admire Lykourgos of Sparta, in his response to being blinded in one eye by a fellow-citizen. The people handed the young man over to him, to take whatever vengeance he wanted. He refrained from any retaliation in kind, but educated him and made a good man of him.”
    – Epictetus, Encheiridion 5.

    “Someone gets angry with you. Challenge him with kindness in return. Enmity immediately tumbles away when one side lets it fall.” – Seneca, De Ira, 2

    “It’s a pitiably small-minded person who gives bite for bite.” – Seneca, De Ira, 11

    ” We shall never desist from working for the common good, helping one another, and even our enemies, till our helping hand is stricken with age.” – Seneca, De Otio

    “It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen; that is the common right of humanity.”

    – Seneca the Elder

    “For five centuries, Stoicism was the dominant philosophy of the Romano-Hellenic world. Rome’s educated elite found this import much to its taste. Stoicism was admirably suited to the builders of empire. It urged a dutiful self-discipline, detachment from the feckless passions, steadfastness in friendship and fortitude in adversity. It reasoned that all men were the offspring of God and therefore brothers, each deserving of compassion and justice. Stoicism made no vain promises of a life beyond the grave, though some Stoics thought it a possibility. Happiness was to be found within, in this life. Stoicism was manly, rational, and temperate. Its reward was virtue – “the highest good” – and perhaps the honour of a noble house.

    Stoicism originated on the island of Cyprus with Zeno of Citium at the zenith of Greek expansion in the late 4th century BC, when the old gods were already in decay and rational thought in the ascendant. It took its name from the ‘Stoa’, or colonnade, at Athens where Zeno taught. Though pantheistic – conjecturing God as present in all things and not transcendent – Stoicism provided many of the building blocks out of which the early Christians built their religion.

    Indeed, the first “pagan” Christians had trained in the Stoic tradition (Pantaenus, Clement, et al) and carried into the new faith the asceticism, seclusion, coarse dress and hirsute appearance which were all the marks of the Stoic sage on his way to “Perfection”.

    Stoicism furnished the Christians with theory as well as practice. Zeno’s primary agent of creation, a material “Mind” in the guise of an ethereal yet vivifying “fire”, had by the age of Cleanthes (mid-3rd century BC), become “pneuma” or “spirit” – and would show up as the “fiery Holy Spirit” of Pentecost.”

    So anything (good) that the Godman allegedly taught did not originate with him but was taught by pagan philosophers for centuries (before Christianity).

  64. A.H. says:

    “Do you know that the teachings of love your enemy did not originate with Jesus but was taught by stoic philosophers at least 5 hundred years before Jesus is alleged to have taught it?”

    Which stoic philosophers taught that so explicitly?

  65. Steve says:

    @Stanley

    “Steve… as regarding the mention of violent passages in the Bible, is it an historical description of a war or battle or is it a command to go and kill anyone who does not believe in your faith?” The Christians who waged war on the pagan nations and who enslaved, killed and raped them and who destroyed their places of worship certainly thought so – unless you think God had a personality transplant and now he loves everyone and people can worship any God or gods they want and he no longer gets jealous?

    “However one should look at the command to love and serve others as well as the mercy, grace, forgiveness p
    assages mentioned. ” Which does NOT apply to unbelievers and Paul also says Christians should not have relationships with unbelievers – just like Muhammad says not to take non-Muslims as friends.

    “Now please compare those to any other religious book and tell me which comes out on top.” EVERYTHING good that is in the bible was said by others philosophers hundreds of years before Jesus was said to have lived. NONE of the good things Jesus preaches are original.

  66. stanley says:

    The falsity of Islam can be deduced through common sense, eg… they have a law that whoever leaves Islam must be killed. Now why would a true religion operate like the Mafia or gangster code? Truth is light and light is never afraid of darkness. If Islam is true then it will not fear opposition, becuase truth can never be defeated.

  67. stanley says:

    Steve… as regarding the mention of violent passages in the Bible, is it an historical description of a war or battle or is it a command to go and kill anyone who does not believe in your faith? The bible is a large book containing histories of nations, so therfore it must mention wars and battles- that in itself is neither bad or good- it is just telling us what happened. However one should look at the command to love and serve others as well as the mercy, grace, forgiveness p
    assages mentioned. Now please compare those to any other religious book and tell me which comes out on top.

  68. ECAW's blog says:

    Regarding the insinuation of pro-Islamic propaganda into Western school curricula, I sometimes sent a link Ali Sina’s “A Short Biography of Muhammad” to head teachers as an alternative to the their current sources. One even replied!

    Unfortunately the link has been broken for some time. I hope it will reappear in due course.

  69. Steve says:

    @Passive Observer

    “Only the millions of Christian oriented NGOs including 700,000 nuns are slowly but steadily building a better world to live in. They run millions of schools, colleges, universities, hospitals, clinics, home for the aged, home for the orphans, in 190 countries.” Funny that while the church ruled Christendom was like Afghanistan under the Taliban? Only after social reform and Christianity being de-fanged did Europe start to progress. “Imagine a world run by the “Taliban” for a thousand years. Imagine every civic amenity, every theatre, every stadium and every leisure centre either destroyed or consecrated to God.
    Imagine women confined to domestic slavery, imagine unbelievers tortured to death, imagine education and science dismissed as an irrelevance and the only approved learning study of the Holy Book.

    Imagine the only cure for sickness is prayer and imagine men dying in almost continuous Holy War.

    Stop imagining. You are thinking of Christian Europe. It’s not a dream. It’s history.” http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world1.html

    “Jesus said “You shall know them by their fruits” Mathew 7:15-20)” Yes and when Europe was ruled by Christianity it was (to borrow from Trump) a shit hole.

    “The so called ‘evil Bible’ has produced more than 800 Nobel laureates. This satisfies me.” Funny that on one hand you Christians claim all the bad stuff (which far outweighs the good teachings -which did not originate with Jesus by the way – “no longer applies”) but yet you want to credit that book of nonsense, barbarity and superstition).

    “Nelson Mandela, from the Dark Continent, was in prison for 27 years, yet he had forgiven the atrocious White Botha government.- This proves Jesus words transform people. This satisfies me.” Do you know that the teachings of love your enemy did not originate with Jesus but was taught by stoic philosophers at least 5 hundred years before Jesus is alleged to have taught it?

  70. Passive observer says:

    @Steve
    If an Atheist or a Humanist, 4000 years ago, had given something like Ten Commandments (at least the last seven commandments) or the Atheists like, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were able to establish equitable societies, without killing 1000 million people, the world have accepted Atheism and I would have given respect to Atheists. Nothing happened. Only the millions of Christian oriented NGOs including 700,000 nuns are slowly but steadily building a better world to live in. They run millions of schools, colleges, universities, hospitals, clinics, home for the aged, home for the orphans, in 190 countries. What the communist China could not do, the Christians are doing. Please read BBC Journalist’s article “China invests in Confident Christians”
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11020947
    It is true that China persecutes unregistered Christian churches.
    Jesus said “You shall know them by their fruits” Mathew 7:15-20)
    130 Christian majority countries, comparatively, live in peace. This satisfies me.
    The so called ‘evil Bible’ has produced more than 800 Nobel laureates. This satisfies me.
    Nelson Mandela, from the Dark Continent, was in prison for 27 years, yet he had forgiven the atrocious White Botha government.- This proves Jesus words transform people. This satisfies me.
    Steve I wish you should have read the Bible book ‘Philamon’. Only a three page letter, which is considered the best letter during the Roman era. Here a slave runs away from his master with stolen property. He met Paulin the prison and transformed. He goes back to the master. The master accepts him as a brother. (The slave sits in a sofa and drinks tea)
    This transformation speaks volumes about Jesus.

  71. Steve says:

    “Like TROP says – all your arguments are obvious nonsense to any even handed rational person. You obviously come to the subject with a massive predetermined bias. What is sad about this is that your line undermines the common front against Islamic supremacism and opens the door to it. Frankly you might as well be a Muslim for all the good your arguments do. (In fact I wonder if you actually are a secret Muslim – you are effectively fighting their corner).” Eh no. In civilised countries if you accuse somebody of a crime you have to have evidence if not you yourself are committing a crime (slander). Now according to the person who wrote this article the fact that Islamic books and sources contain violent, cruel and intolerant teachings is sufficient evidence that Muslim parents are abusing their children. If this is a sufficient reason for removing Muslim children from their parents (let’s ignore the unfeasibility of child protection agency’s removing millions of children) then by rights all Christian and Jewish kids should be removed also on account that their “holy books” contain similar violent, cruel and intolerant teachings.

  72. Steve says:

    “1) The bible is NOT the Koran – it does not claim to be the literal dictated word of God. Therefore it is improper to take an individual verse out of context.” Christians claim it is a historical record of what Jesus said and did. (And Jesus is alleged to have said the Old Testament also stands and he also believes in the stories and prophets of Old Testament literally). So how does it NOT contain the “literal word of God” in your opinion?

    2) “The most authoritative verses are the actual sayings of Jesus – and one of these stands out as a summary of the whole book. Matthew 22 36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” This commandment applies only to other believers NOT to unbelievers. It says in the Old Testament believers in other gods should be stoned to death. “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you … Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:6-10” Even family members who change their belief should be stoned to death so clearly unbelievers are not counted. And the New Testament also says “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? … Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord. 2 Corinthians 6:14-17” So clearly unbelievers are not considered neighbours – since they are not part of the community of believers.

    Also the bible contains countless contridictions and Jesus himself is a hypocrite- as he condemns his enemies to eternal hell and says they should be burnt and killed.

    @Steve,
    “If you deliberately misunderstand and pull things out of context and interpret things in a way no Orthodox Christian has in 2000 years then you are beyond reasonable argument.” Right apart from all the acts of violence that was committed in the name of Christ for centuries (and who claimed biblical support for their actions).

  73. Richard says:

    @Steve – A quick summary of why you are wrong.

    1) The bible is NOT the Koran – it does not claim to be the literal dictated word of God. Therefore it is improper to take an individual verse out of context.
    2) The most authoritative verses are the actual sayings of Jesus – and one of these stands out as a summary of the whole book. Matthew 22 36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
    Any interpretation of any biblical verse (including all your misinterpretations) that contradicts these verses is by definition wrong. (btw this verse is backed up by 1 John 4:20)

  74. Richard says:

    @Steve,
    If you deliberately misunderstand and pull things out of context and interpret things in a way no Orthodox Christian has in 2000 years then you are beyond reasonable argument.
    Like TROP says – all your arguments are obvious nonsense to any even handed rational person. You obviously come to the subject with a massive predetermined bias. What is sad about this is that your line undermines the common front against Islamic supremacism and opens the door to it. Frankly you might as well be a Muslim for all the good your arguments do. (In fact I wonder if you actually are a secret Muslim – you are effectively fighting their corner).
    The fact is that true Christians will defend humanists/atheists against islamic oppression. Are you prepared to do the same for Christians?
    http://blackchristiannews.com/2018/01/former-muslim-humanist-facing-death-threats-is-denied-uk-asylum-because-he-couldnt-identify-aristotle-and-aristotle/

  75. Steve says:

    Also Richard since this article talks about child abuse what about God sending his own (and only) son to be tortured and killed in order to convince himself to forgive humans -and himself for creating them sinful in the first place – (or at least those humans which accept the scape goat Jesus).? If that’s not child abuse I don’t know what is.

  76. Steve says:

    Cruel and violent bible verses (both new and Old Testament).

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

    “Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?
    (Repost with updated numbers 14 December 2015.)
    The LORD is a man of war. Exodus 15:3
    Fight in the way of Allah. Quran 2:244
    Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran? Is there a way to objectively answer such a question?

    Well, it wouldn’t be easy. But it is possible to compare the amount of cruelty and violence in the two books.

    Here is a summary of the highlighted verses in the SAB and SAQ.

    Number of Cruel or Violent Passages
    Bible 1321
    Quran 532
    So the Bible has more than twice as many cruel or violent passages as does the Quran. But the Bible is a much bigger book. How do they compare when size is taken into account?

    Violence and Cruelty Total verses Percent
    Bible 1321 31102 4.25
    Quran 532 6236 8.53
    When expressed as a percentage of cruel or violent verses (at least as marked in the SAB/Q), the Quran has twice that of the Bible. (8.53 vs. 4.25%)” http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.in/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

  77. Steve says:

    “The preamble to the page says the following:
    “It is not the purpose of this site to promote any particular religion,
    including Christianity. However, TROP does enjoy refuting nonsense,
    such as the claim that Muhammad and Jesus preached a
    morally equivalent message or that all religion is the same.”” Jesus’s “moral message” is the last day is coming and if you don’t abandon and hate your families and worship me as your lord and saviour then you and your community will burn when the day of judgement comes (in particular the Jews which is why antisemtism was rampant in Christendom for centuries). What is moral about that message? Nowhere does Jesus condemn rape, slavery, stoning, child abuse (children are to be killed for disobeying their parents), sexism, or any of the other horrors in the Old Testament in fact he says these laws hold for all time! And in addition he introduces the concept of eternal of hell which is where he will put his “enemies” (the Jews of his time who didn’t accept his delusional and grandiose claims that he was God on earth and the last day and judgement was imminent) for all eternity! (So much for loving and forgiving your enemies!)

  78. Richard says:

    ” Islam gets most of its “moral teachings” from the bible”-Citation needed.

    Most of the peaceful verses in the Koran are plagiarized from Jewish or Christian sources.
    However that is a long way from your claim.To see why your claim is so wrong please read this page:

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx

    The preamble to the page says the following:
    “It is not the purpose of this site to promote any particular religion,
    including Christianity. However, TROP does enjoy refuting nonsense,
    such as the claim that Muhammad and Jesus preached a
    morally equivalent message or that all religion is the same.”

  79. Steve says:

    “Read why Muslim parents who name their child after their evil Muhammad and teach the child – Islam should lose ALL custody of their child.” How much is that going to cost? Another article on this site is one of a psychologists saying how much an economic burden disabled Muslim children are (the result of inbreeding). So the cost of taking EVERY SINGLE Muslim child to the state would be astronomical.

    “In finishing, let me say that any school in the West that allows teaching of Islam to children will be guilty of child abuse hate crimes and due charges should be brought against them.” To be fair then schools teaching Judaism and Christianity (or a watered down humane version of them) should be charged with child abuse as well then (since Islam gets most of its “moral teachings” from the bible).

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