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  1. Ajay says:

    @Ron

    I have attended many wedding ceremony of Hindus. For completion the process for marriage require at least 3 to 4 days according to the Hindu rituals. And in ancient time it was event of almost 10 days. For doing 16000 marriages, if we take average of 5 days it takes 80000 days which is almost 220 years.

    You are behaving like foolish hindus who believe in such a garbage of 16000 girls story.

  2. why? says:

    Why? Manu smriti 2:67 answers this.

    Manu smriti 2:67. The nuptial ceremony is stated to be the Vedic sacrament for women (and to be equal to the initiation), serving the husband (equivalent to) the residence in (the house of the) teacher, and the household duties (the same) as the (daily) worship of the sacred fire.

    She learns from husband, who is also her guru (spiritual teacher) until she reaches an age where she is ready for conjugal life. There is no conjugal life before it is time in Brahma rite of marriage.

    Then why is it stated that marriage is NOT complete without consummation in certain websites..

    That is because the Brahma rite of marriage IS NOT FOLLOWED AT THIS time among Hindus anymore.

    What is followed is Prajapatya rite of marriage among Hindus these days. This is the ONLY rite that is followed universally by all castes of Hindus these days, with one exception being Gandharva rite (love marriage).

    Manu smriti 3:30. The gift of a daughter (by her father) after he has addressed (the couple) with the text, ‘May both of you perform together your duties,’ and has shown honour (to the bridegroom), is called in the Smriti the Pragapatya rite.

    In this rite, marriage rituals have significantly changed from last few years only. Before 100 years marriage rituals were conducted for a week or at the least 5 days of elaborate fire rituals etc. These days marriage ritual is conducted only for 2 days maximum considering costs involved. I discovered all these things in marriages I have attended. In the time of Mahabharath marriages rituals were conducted for months together by Kings of that time. So consummation within a time-frame is NOT a religious requirement at all in Hindu marriages, unless you can show from Hindu scriptures to the contrary.

    So the number of days of marriage rituals in Hinduism were conducted as per one’s financial capacity. The rituals have been adapted to present age as per legal act of Hindu marriages in Indian law. The website you quoted here, requires consummation as a legal requirement for Hindu marriages and can be grounds for divorce.

    http://admis.hp.nic.in/himpol/Citizen/LawLib/C126.htm

    12. Voidable marriages. –
    (1) Any marriage solemnized, whether before of after ale commencement of this Act, shall be voidable and may be annulled by a decree of nullity on any of the following grounds, namely:
    1(a) That the marriage has not been consummated owing to the importance of the respondent;

    FINALLY, ALL THIS CLEARLY AND LOGICALLY PROVES THAT NO PEDOPHILIA IS ALLOWED IN HINDU MARRIAGE.

    POOR ABRAHAMIC SAVAGE FOLLOWERS….

  3. why? says:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13b009.htm (Mahabharath)

    “Bhishma said, ‘Having enquired into the conduct and disposition of the person, his learning and acquirements, his birth, and his acts, good people should then bestow their daughter upon accomplished bridegrooms. All righteous Brahmanas, O Yudhishthira, act in this way (in the matter of the bestowal of their daughters). This is known as the Brahma marriage, O Yudhishthira!

    The above verse clearly mentions that daughter is given in marriage to man learned in veda and of GOOD CONDUCT (MEANS ONE WHO IS CONTROLLED IN SENSES).

    THIS REQUIRES MORE EXPLANATION. There are 8 forms of marriage in Hinduism. This is stated in Manu smriti as follows..

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu/manu03.htm

    3:20. Now listen to (the) brief (description of) the following eight marriage-rites used by the four castes (varna) which partly secure benefits and partly produce evil both in this life and after death.

    3:21. (They are) the rite of Brahman (Brahma), that of the gods (Daiva), that of the Rishis (Arsha), that of Pragapati (Pragapatya), that of the Asuras (Asura), that of the Gandharvas (Gandharva), that of the Rhashasas (Rakshasa), and that of the Pisakas (Paisaka).
    Now, the verse 9:94

    9:94. A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would (otherwise) be impeded, (he must marry) sooner.

    This verse is talking about particular type of marriage, namely BRAHMA RITE, which is prescribed as best for brAhmins. Only in this Brahma rite, marriage is conducted for girls at such an young age. Look at your own Mahabharatha quote…

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13b009.htm

    A Brahmana, by begetting children upon a Sudra woman, incurs the liability of performing an expiation. A person of thirty years of age should wed a girl of ten years of age called a Nagnika. 1 Or, a person of one and twenty years of age should wed a girl of seven years of age.

    This age limit is mentioned CEARLY FOR BRAHMIINS ONLY…

  4. why? says:

    Phoenix Says:
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    There are plenty of examples of sex slavery but I’ll stick with the pedophila verses for now. Let’s see you bullshit your way out of this one.

    Now before you waste my time with “nowhere does the verses mention consummation, only marriage”.
    1. In Hinduism, consummation is the main objective of marriage
    2.Consummation usually takes place 3 to 4 days after marriage. This is known as Chaturthi-Karma
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    Good you brought this subject, a chance to prove the superiority of Hinduism over barbaric desert religions, which look at marriage as only a contract for sexual rights….there is no sacramental religious value to marriage itself attached….ie marriage in barbaric Abrahamic religions is just a rite before sexual congress….READ FULLY BEFORE YOU REPLY…

    However in Hinduism, it is much more than mere sexual rights and legal rights for reproduction. Marriage itself is spiritual union of two souls (male and female soul who go from one life to another) in the path to spiritual enlightenment…

    What is marriage in Hinduism? We will see from Hindu scriptures itself rather than some websites…

    http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Women

    According to Manusmriti, marriage is the Upanayana for the woman, serving her husband is like serving guru and learning at gurukula (religious school), household work is like the two yajnas done in the morning and the evening.

    Manu smriti 2:67. The nuptial ceremony is stated to be the Vedic sacrament for women (and to be equal to the initiation), serving the husband (equivalent to) the residence in (the house of the) teacher, and the household duties (the same) as the (daily) worship of the sacred fire.

    Now marriage for girls is like residence in a religious school and learning from a spiritual teacher. The spiritual teacher for girls is the husband himself, one who is well learned in Vedas and well controls his senses through yoga and celibacy.

    Manu smriti 3:27. The gift of a daughter, after decking her (with costly garments) and honoring (her by presents of jewels), to a man learned in the Veda and of good conduct, whom (the father) himself invites, is called the Brahma rite.

  5. Ajay says:

    @Ron

    if anything good about Hindus that they never looted any country inspite of Christian looted them 400 years and Muslim looted almost 1000 years.

  6. why? says:

    Apparently Phoenix you do NOT read the answers already given to you in previous article. Why do you bring back the same question again and again…NONE OF YOUR POINTS PROVE SLAVERY..

    Phoenix says:
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    Laws of Manu 8:413. But a Sudra, whether bought or unbought, he may compel to do servile work; for he was created by the Self-existent (Svayambhu) to be the slave of a Brahmana.”
    *compel to do servile work = involuntary servitude.
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    Read the previous verses…The duties of a King are laid out here….

    410. (The king) should order a Vaisya to trade, to lend money, to cultivate the land, or to tend cattle, and a Sudra to serve the twice-born castes….

    This verse makes it clear in context. The King shall order or make (compel) the Vaishya do what he needs to do, mainly to do business activities and thereby employ shudras and take care of them. The King shall make the Shudras work for other three castes….This is ensuring each follows one’s own dharma.

    After that comes the verses 413 and 414…..…..The compelling here for a vaishya through various means (how is NOT stated here, may be rewards and punishments) obviously does NOT imply slavery. Similarly, compelling a shudra does NOT mean slavery, but through various means from material rewards, punishments and other kinds…..

    Besides, the verse 413 clearly mentions bought or unbought. Why? Because it wants to distinguish between a slave and free shudra….This itself means that shudra are NOT slaves by default….

    Phoenix says:
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    414. A Sudra, though emancipated by his master, is not released from servitude; since that is innate in him, who can set him free from it?”
    *This verse confirms Sudras are pigeon-holed into a life of involuntary servitude
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    When some property of a thing is innate or intrinsic to something, it is NOT externally imposed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_and_extrinsic_properties

    An intrinsic property is a property of a system or of a material itself or within.

    Verse 414 talks about spiritual development and emancipation of shudras is through servitude to brAhmins (spiritual teachers) only just as emacipation of Vaishya is through supporting all people through business, or a brAhmins emancipation is through practicing severe penances, or a warriors (Kshatriyas) emancipation is through act of protecting his citizens in war with his life if necessary. It does NOT speak about slavery through physical force but forced through their karma (innate nature as per karma). They have a choice to earn their livelihood on their own…That is why they can own property….
    Same Manu smriti says shudras do own wealth..

    Manu smriti 11

    34. A Kshatriya shall pass through misfortunes which have befallen him by the strength of his arms, a Vaisya and a Sudra by their wealth, the chief of the twice-born by muttered prayers and burnt-oblations.

    42. Those who, obtaining wealth from Sudras, (and using that) offer an Agnihotra, are priests officiating for Sudras, (and hence) censured among those who recite the Veda.

    43. Treading with his foot on the heads of those fools who worship a fire (kindled at the expense) of a Sudra, the giver (of the wealth) shall always pass over his miseries (in the next world).

    All the above verses CLEARLY SHOW that a shudra can own wealth. SLAVES DO NOT OWN WEALTH LIKE SHUDRAS.

    Phoenix Says:
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    Manu 8:417. A Brahmana may confidently seize the goods of (his) Sudra (slave); for,as that (slave) can have no property, his master may take his possessions”

    *This verse fits with the first part of the definition, whereby the person is owned and controlled by a master. There are many more verses related to slavery and the sudra caste but I think that’s enough evidence to demonstrate a clear and inseperable link between sudras and slavery.
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    There are conditions when this can be done from a Shudra…this is clear from following verses…THIS SEIZING (forcibly) OF GOODS IS ALLOWED EVEN FROM OTHER BRAHMINS, KSHATRIYAS AND VAISHYAS. THE SAME MANU SMRITI CLEARS THIS.

    Manu smriti 11

    11. If a sacrifice, (offered) by (any twice-born) sacrificer, (and) especially by a Brahmana, must remain incomplete through (the want of) one requisite, while a righteous king rules,
    12. That article (required) for the completion of the sacrifice, may be taken (forcibly) from the house of any Vaisya, who possesses a large number of cattle, (but) neither performs the (minor) sacrifices nor drinks the Soma-juice;
    13. (Or) the (sacrificer) may take at his pleasure two or three (articles required for a sacrifice) from the house of a Sudra; for a Sudra has no business with sacrifices.
    14. If (a man) possessing one hundred cows, kindles not the sacred fire, or one possessing a thousand cows, drinks not the Soma-juice, a (sacrificer) may unhesitatingly take (what he requires) from the houses of those two, even (though they be Brahmanas or Kshatriyas);
    15. (Or) he may take (it by force or fraud) from one who always takes and never gives, and who refuses to give it; thus the fame (of the taker) will spread and his merit increase.
    16. Likewise he who has not eaten at (the time of) six meals, may take at (the time of) the seventh meal (food) from a man who neglects his sacred duties, without (however) making a provision for the morrow,
    17. Either from the threshing-floor, or from a field, or out of the house, or wherever he finds it; but if (the owner) asks him, he must confess to him that (deed and its cause).

    NOTE:

    Clearly the seizing of goods is allowed for performing religious rituals and brAhmins who preform such religious rituals can seize it NOT ONLY FROM SHUDRAS, BUT ALSO FROM VAISHYAS, KSHATRIYAS and OTHER STINGY BRAHMINS also as per the verses.

    So this does NOT prove anything about slavery of Shudras…

  7. Ra says:

    I am sure this sly Hindu “will bullshit his way out of this one”. LOL.

  8. Phoenix says:

    At the least it is clear that Hinduism has nothing to do with sexual slavery and pedophilia according to its scriptures…Nowhere Hindu scriptures talk about taking women as SEX SLAVES and sexual rights of owners of women slaves//

    There are plenty of examples of sex slavery but I’ll stick with the pedophila verses for now. Let’s see you bullshit your way out of this one.

    Manu 9:94. A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would (otherwise) be impeded, (he must marry) sooner.

    Vishnu Purana III:10 If he marry,he must select a maiden who is of a third his age,one who has not too much hair,but is not without any,one who is not very black or yellow complexioned and who is not from birth a cripple or deformed…”

    Mahabharata XLIV (p.18)A person of thirty years of age should wed a girl of ten years of age called a Nagnika. Or, a person of one and twenty years of age should wed a girl of seven years of age.

    SBE 14:Baudhayana:Prasna 4:Adhyaya1
    11. Let him give his daughter, while she still goes naked, to a man who has not broken the vow of chastity and who possesses good qualities, or even to one destitute of good qualities; let him not keep (the maiden) in (his house) after she has reached the age of puberty”

    Sacred Laws of Arya:Gautama 18:21. A girl should be given in marriage before (she attains the age of) puberty
    22.He who neglects it, commits sin
    23.Some (declare, that a girl shall be given in marriage) before she wears clothes.

    SBE 14:Vasishtha:17:70
    ‘Out of fear of the appearance of the menses let the father marry his daughter while she still runs about naked. For if she stays (in the house) after the age of puberty, sin falls on the father”
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    Now before you waste my time with “nowhere does the verses mention consummation, only marriage”.
    1. In Hinduism, consummation is the main objective of marriage
    https://divorce-family-law.knoji.com/consummation-is-the-ultimate-objective-in-the-hindu-marriage/

    2.Consummation usually takes place 3 to 4 days after marriage. This is known as Chaturthi-Karma

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odia_Hindu_wedding#Chau.E1.B9.ADhi.2FB.C4.81sara_r.C4.81ti

    “On fourth day after marriage bride and bride groom meet each other. This day is called ‘Chauṭhi’ (means the fourth day) and the night is called Bāsara rāti (Odia: ବାସର ରାତି) or Chauṭhi rati (Odia: ଚଉଠି ରାତି). During the day, esp. in the evening puja and homa are practiced which includes burning a coconut to make it roasted inside. A room along with bed is decorated with bright fragrant flowers like Rajanigandha. This is the night of consummation.”

  9. Phoenix says:

    No matter how many times you mamzer-man-god jeebus worshiper repeat the lies, caste system is never the same as slavery, where every caste person owns wealth and properties. Caste system also ensures that no sexual slavery ever occurs, a sex with other caste is a crime and a SIN//

    Let’s first establish a proper definition of slavery and compare the designated status of the lower castes to see if they fall under the definition of slaves.
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/slavery
    “The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner’s control, especially in involuntary servitude.”

    Now let’s turn to Manu, the Hindu law book and standard reference for all other minor law books to check the condition set for lower castes.

    Laws of Manu 8:413. But a Sudra, whether bought or unbought, he may compel to do servile work; for he was created by the Self-existent (Svayambhu) to be the slave of a Brahmana.”

    *compel to do servile work = involuntary servitude.

    414. A Sudra, though emancipated by his master, is not released from servitude; since that is innate in him, who can set him free from it?”

    *This verse confirms Sudras are pigeon-holed into a life of involuntary servitude

    Manu 8:417. A Brahmana may confidently seize the goods of (his) Sudra (slave); for,as that (slave) can have no property, his master may take his possessions”

    *This verse fits with the first part of the definition, whereby the person is owned and controlled by a master. There are many more verses related to slavery and the sudra caste but I think that’s enough evidence to demonstrate a clear and inseperable link between sudras and slavery.

  10. Ra says:

    @Filthy ‘why?’,
    The Ganges is filthy because Hindus are filthy. India is the dirtiest place because Hindus are the dirtiest people. Hindu gods are repugnant because Hindus are repugnant. Not the way around.

  11. why? says:

    Poor low caste mletcha son of prostitute Ra,

    No matter how many times you mamzer-man-god jeebus worshiper repeat the lies, caste system is never the same as slavery, where every caste person owns wealth and properties. Caste system also ensures that no sexual slavery ever occurs, a sex with other caste is a crime and a SIN.

    SEX forbidden:

    Vishnu [SBE] 5:43. He who has had connection with a woman of one of the lowest castes, shall be put to death.

    Manu 3:15. Twice-born men who, in their folly, wed wives of the low (Sudra) caste, soon degrade their families and their children to the state of Sudras.

    Shudra owns wealth

    Manu smriti 11

    34. A Kshatriya shall pass through misfortunes which have befallen him by the strength of his arms, a Vaisya and a Sudra by their wealth, the chief of the twice-born by muttered prayers and burnt-oblations.

    42. Those who, obtaining wealth from Sudras, (and using that) offer an Agnihotra, are priests officiating for Sudras, (and hence) censured among those who recite the Veda.

    43. Treading with his foot on the heads of those fools who worship a fire (kindled at the expense) of a Sudra, the giver (of the wealth) shall always pass over his miseries (in the next world).

    All the above verses CLEARLY SHOW that a shudra can own wealth.

    NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU REPEAT A LIE it STILL remains a LIE.

    MORE ON SEXUAL SLAVERY:

    Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

    Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

    What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: BIBLICAL DEMON god.

  12. Ra says:

    @’why?’
    You’re one filthy Hindu liar. All of your Indian-invented gods approve murder, incest, slavery, etc… . The caste system itself is a proof of slavery and sex abuse. And you’re proud of your caste system. The Ganges is filthy, yet you purify yourself by bathing in it and drinking from it. Filthy Hindus like you made India one of the dirtiest places on Earth and you’re not ashamed of it. You’re fanatically filthy.

  13. why? says:

    At the least it is clear that Hinduism has nothing to do with sexual slavery and pedophilia according to its scriptures…Nowhere Hindu scriptures talk about taking women as SEX SLAVES and sexual rights of owners of women slaves….On the contrary, Hinduism has strict norms of associating with low caste girls and mletchas (white westerners or prostitutes)…

    Vishnu [SBE] 5:43. He who has had connection with a woman of one of the lowest castes, shall be put to death.

    Manu 3:15. Twice-born men who, in their folly, wed wives of the low (Sudra) caste, soon degrade their families and their children to the state of Sudras.

    If this is the case with Shudras, then how low is a mlectha (all foreigners including dirty prostitute races or europeans who were called as gurundas, yavanas etc. in Hinduism)….

    However, bible is full of instances where kidnapping girls after killing men is allowed as per bible demon god’s command itself.

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9959 (PEDOPHILIA AND SEXUAL SLAVERY)

    17 So now kill every male child, and every woman who can lie intimately with a man you shall kill.

    18 And all the young girls who have no experience of intimate relations with a man, you may keep alive for yourselves.

    Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

    What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

  14. why? says:

    NOW HERE IS SOMETHING FOR YOU AS A CHRISTIAN TO BE ASHAMED OF….

    Why should one be embarrassed about truth and facts? You belong to a caste called mletcha (prostitute race) which is produced through unbridled uninhibited sexual activity of its members….such a race cannot be expected to follow celibacy.

    PEDOPHILIA IN CHURCHES:

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9959

    NUMBERS 31:18 (PEDOPHILIA AND SEXUAL SLAVERY IN BIBLE)

    And all the young girls who have no experience of intimate relations with a man, you may keep alive for yourselves.

    This is why the churches is full of pedophiles and homosexuals…

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/11/12/385712/pedophile-priests-sent-abroad/

    Pedophile priests sent abroad to avoid prosecution: Activist

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

    The sexual abuse of children under the age of consent by priests has received significant media and public attention in the United States, Canada, Ireland, the United Kingdom, Mexico, Belgium, France, Germany and Australia. Cases have also been reported in other nations throughout the world.[11] Many of the cases span several decades and are brought forward years after the abuse occurred.

    This is what happens when sons of prostitutes from a fallen race adorn the clothe of priests and claim to preach religion….NO WONDER THIS RELIGION WORSHIPS AN ADULTERY BORN MAMZER MAN-GOD JEEBUS….

  15. why? says:

    RA SAYS:
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    Here is a video that will make ashamed to be a Hindu.
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    What does it have to do with Hinduism for me to be ashamed?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/8008562/Indias-prostitutes-of-God.html

    She discovered that the tradition there stretched back as long ago as the sixth century, when young girls, often from wealthy backgrounds, were dedicated to local temples. After going through a dedication ceremony which “married” them to the fertility goddess Yellamma, they would act as temple care-takers: performing rituals in honour of their goddess, as well as dancing and playing music for the entertainment of wealthy locals.

    Over time, however, the tradition began to change, and the devadasi became less respected. “Many ended up becoming the mistress of a particular ‘patron’ – often a royal, or nobleman – as well as serving in the temple,” says Harris, “and eventually, the connection with the temple became severed altogether. Today, although there are still many women called devadasi, and who have been dedicated to the goddess, a lot of them are essentially prostitutes.”

    So how did the devadasi fall from grace? “The practice was outlawed in India in 1988,” says Harris, “by which point, its connection with prostitution was well-established. But it seems to have been linked to the fall of the old Hindu kingdoms over several hundreds of years. As Christianity spread especially, temples lost their influence, and women were forced out onto the streets.”

    CLEARLY HINDUISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS….IT IS A ECONOMIC SITUATION DRIVING THEM…

  16. Ra says:

    @’why?’
    You’re embarrassed by the video, so you question the credibility and the morality of the messenger?
    Either upper caste or lower caste, you’re both filthy Hindus. You should even be embarrassed to talk about castes in your religion.
    Here is a video that will make ashamed to be a Hindu.
    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffUpjIGqlg8&w=420&h=315%5D

  17. why? says:

    Lizzie Says:
    People need to put their lives in order as there are less than five years remaining.
    =================================================================

    This is evidence that Christians live in a lala land of their own make-believe world….Reality, logic and facts do NOT matter to them….

    CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT JEEBUS WAS A DELUSIONAL DEMON POSSESSED FELLOW

    “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

    NOTE:

    Mark the words this mamzer jeebus claimed to come back with his invisible father and invisible angels before the people standing in front of jeebus die….

    poor delusional jeeebus….

    its been 2000 years….and delusional followers of jeebus have been claiming this for 2000 years and jeebus never came back..

    DESPITE EVIDENCE OF JEEBUS BEING A FAKE DELUSIONAL PROFITEER CHRISTIANS CONTINUE TO BELIEVE IN THE MAMZER MAN-GOD JEEBUS…

  18. why? says:

    Ron Says:
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    You are hung up on Jesus’ birth and not willing to listen, look or test the evidence or even challenge to call on Jesus to see whether He will respond (surprisingly Christ does respond as in Vani’s case)
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    Personal testimonies are NOT evidence for anything…You will find the same kind of claims made by Christians that praying to dead woman Teresa lead to some miracle…or praying to Buddha gives you money as this video..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9VAeluflSY

    Will you start praying to Buddha?
    NO……So I do not need to pray to some imaginary or 2000 yr old dead jewish guy…why would I when I have THE REAL THING…

    Ron Says:
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    All the points I have mentioned are from ex hindus and their websites. Apart from Christ’s birth you do not have anything against Christ. But you still are against Jesus because you are indoctrinated with hate.
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    You can bring me a billion testimonies…it would NOT matter, unless you answer the illogical claims of christianty…

    You brush aside birth of mamzer jeebus as something that is very small…..
    The truth is birth is everything…..Birth shows the true character of the entity that is born….Real GOD will NOT allow filthy beings born in noble families or through noble ways….Filthy demonic creatures are always born in filthy ways in a filthy race through a filthy father and filthy mother…
    Even your own bible agrees to that and that is why it forbids a bastard to enter the congregation of god…even your own bible agrees..
    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
    — Deuteronomy 23:2
    Even your own demon god agrees to the principle that birth matters…

    Now coming to second point, much of real history about jeebus (until 32 years) is hidden by the church….some of the truth has come out from the Roman pagans…
    http://www.bluffton.edu/~humanities/1/celsus.htm

    BOOK 1
    Chap. 28
    …[Celsus] accuses [Jesus] of having “invented his birth from a virgin,” and upbraids Him with being “born in a certain Jewish village, of a poor woman of the country, who gained her subsistence by spinning, and who was turned out of doors by her husband, a carpenter by trade, because she was convicted of adultery; that after being driven away by her husband, and wandering about for a time, she disgracefully gave birth to Jesus, an illegitimate child, who having hired himself out as a servant in Egypt on account of his poverty, and having there acquired some miraculous powers, on which the Egyptians greatly pride themselves, returned to his own country, highly elated on account of them, and by means of these proclaimed himself a God.”…
    This same jeebus was NOT against sexual slavery of women in bible (valid argument from silence as already seen) or pedophlia or looting or raping or numerous verses in OT which case directly from OT demon god….Since jeebus was a believing jew, jeebus must like mooslimes today who although do NOT act out all quranic evils, did not believe these were evil acts…for all we know jeebus at the best is a delusional fellow and at the worst is a character like moses who ordered murder, genocide, rape etc.…
    Now why would anybody pray to a person of questionable parentage with questionable history?
    Ron Says:
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    PRAYER OF SALVATION
    Dear Jesus, I believe that you died for my sins, and you died on the cross and rose again.
    =====================================================

    This is the most ridiculous belief system of Christianity that only dumb gullible people can follow.

    It is ridiculously irrational to believe in a god who is judge, jury and executioner, who in order to save his own creation, from his own wrath and punishment kills himself and sacrifices himself to himself to convince himself to forgive his own creation from himself……

    Can you wrap your head around the above statement?

    Imagine a human judge doing jeebus’ sacrifice as stated above? You would promptly put him in a psycho ward for treating his mental afflictions. Now why would you think a god would do such an irrational illogical action? Is god mad?

    I would never pray to such a mad god…

  19. why? says:

    Ra Says
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    Child prostitution is epidemic in Hindu temples.
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    Have you visited India once? NO…
    Have you visited any Indian temple once? NO

    You quoted some random video created by some random Christian prostitute woman (she might have had sex with 10 people by the time of video)…its no secret that white women by college time end up having sex couple of times with some guys….why should anybody take her video as evidence for anything?

    Did you see this woman give any evidence of prostitution? NO…..
    Do you have any details of this temple, which region etc.? NO…

    Do you know which community this temple belongs and which community the priests belong to? NO…

    So how do you know it is an epidemic in Hindu temples? You do not know anything…

    Let me educate the fool here…The temple belongs to dalit community….who are these? They belong to low caste….the priests belong to low caste dalits…this problem if any is confined to this particular temple…just like catholic church is full of homo-sexuals and pedophiles…

    You will NOT find one brAhmin priest anywhere near these temples….why? Since it is against Vedic teachings…. Evidence below…

    Vishnu [SBE] 5:43. He who has had connection with a woman of one of the lowest castes, shall be put to death.

    Manu 3:15. Twice-born men who, in their folly, wed wives of the low (Sudra) caste, soon degrade their families and their children to the state of Sudras.

    For brAhmins or any caste person relationship with women outside their caste and outside of their marriage is highly SINFUL, resulting in destruction of family and hell to their ancestors…No brAhmin/Kshatriya/Vaishya for this reason will dare to marry/touch any woman outside their caste…

    When religion is taught/lead by unqualified people from an unqualified race, it is bound to result this way…just like catholic church is lead by homo-sexual pedophiles (lead by mletcha, sons of prostitutes), just like bible contains teachings about sexual slavery of pre-pubescent girls (another mletcha race) (Numbers 31:17-18) or Muhammad’s teachings authorize sexual slavery, looting etc…

  20. Ron says:

    You are hung up on Jesus’ birth and not willing to listen, look or test the evidence or even challenge to call on Jesus to see whether He will respond (surprisingly Christ does respond as in Vani’s case)

    All the points I have mentioned are from ex hindus and their websites. Apart from Christ’s birth you do not have anything against Christ. But you still are against Jesus because you are indoctrinated with hate.
    Read her testimony and then ask Jesus that if you are real come and reveal yourself to me. Jesus will reveal himself. Please read on

    Vani’s Beautiful Testimony:
    I was a Hindu for over 26 years of my life. When I was born, my parents dedicated me to a pagan demon god. From that time, I was totally under the control of this demon goddess. I was a committed Hindu and was a temple dancer and singer for many years. I danced and sang in many temples in Malaysia and in India. Every time I danced in these temples, I would be totally under the power of the Hindu demon gods.
    From childhood I always had a deep hunger and thirst for the One True God. I read Hindu scriptures, but I did not find God in the so-called Hindu “sacred books.” I visited Hindu temples, but I did not find God there. I joined the Sai Baba cult and was involved in Hindu witchcraft and the occult, but I did not find God! My body was afflicted with an illness that the doctors could not identify and could not cure, but my hunger and thirst for God never diminished.
    Some months later I married my husband in a temple ceremony, but two years later the marriage was ready to break down, because I had brought the spirit of the Hindu gods into the marriage. My husband and I decided to go our separate ways because our marriage simply was not going anywhere. Although we still loved each other, the spiritual attack on our relationship was too great. I had pleaded with my gods to help me, to deliver me–but nothing happened.
    On our last day together, my husband was invited to an Apostolic Pentecostal church in the city of Kuala Lumpur where we live. I insisted that I go with him to the church just to meet his friends there. “I am a Hindu, and I shall die a Hindu. I’m certainly not going to be converted,” I declared. When I entered the church, a lady came up to me and asked if she could pray for me. I was hostile, but I allowed her to pray for me. All she did was to gently lay her hand upon me. A feeling that I had never experienced before went right through me. I stayed for a short while, and then left.
    That night I could not sleep. I sat at the edge of my bed, and I cried out, “Jesus! The Christians call you “God.” I am a Hindu, and I worship many gods. If you are the One true God that I am seeking for, I want to see you! Please help me!”
    Suddenly, I felt a sweet presence fill the room. I could tangibly feel peace–and the love of God–wrap around me. A voice in my heart said, “I am Jesus!”
    I started to weep, and felt deep healing take place in my heart. As I repented of all my sins, demonic strongholds were loosed from me, and I felt evil spirits leaving me. I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and filled with the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gave utterance.(John 3:1-8, Acts 2:1-4, Acts 10:47-48).
    I grew up worshipping the names of two thousand gods, but there is only one name that saved me–the name of Jesus Christ! He alone is your only Deliverer–the One who is able to set you free from every imaginable bondage. No demon, no witch, no power on earth can stand against the power of the name of Jesus, and the power of His blood!
    Today my husband is a full time minister, and we have a strong marriage. Yes, He healed our marriage, also, and together we are joyfully serving the Lord!
    PRAYER OF SALVATION
    Dear Jesus, I believe that you died for my sins, and you died on the cross and rose again. FORGIVE me all my sins. Come in to my heart, take charge of my life and make me the person YOU want me to be. Fill me with your Holy Spirit. Cleanse me with your precious blood. I confess you now as my LORD and SAVIOR. In Jesus name. Amen

  21. Lizzie says:

    We cannot change the past and the future will be organised and decided by God.
    No matter what evil and abuse the likes of Why give out the end is coming.
    Decent people will get through the last day regardless of religion but those that harm others and are full of hate will be terminated. There is no change anticipated and this prophecy is written in stone.
    People need to put their lives in order as there are less than five years remaining.
    Blaspheming God and Christ is not the way forward and will be taken into account at the judgement.

  22. Ra says:

    Child prostitution is epidemic in Hindu temples.
    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU-kim2Xixs&w=560&h=315%5D

  23. why? says:

    “out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks”

    A filthy man born in a filthy race out of filthy relationships speaks ONLY filth, for his heart is filled with filth as he worships a filthy mamzer man-god born out of adultery…

    I expect more filth scattering from its filthy foaming mouth…

  24. Ra says:

    @’why?’
    The Ganges is so filthy because your Hindu mother took a dip in it. I can’t lie. Everything I say is backed with documents.
    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZBBAZT7zeI&w=560&h=315%5D

  25. why? says:

    Ra,

    whatever irrational abusive words you utter against me, you know I tell the truth that your race is a prostitute race. It is in your blood and culture that your mothers, wives, sisters and daughters acted and do act like a prostitute only and are loose easy targets for other prostitute sons in your race…No matter how much abuse you shower from your mouth. the words I say are truth and you yourself know that you belong to a race of prostitutes. This is why you are attracted to a “man-god jeebus” born through adultery….

    Adulterous population praying to a god born through adultery…..

    Ron Says:
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    Hindu Brahmin girl accept Lord Jesus..Testimony
    ============================================

    No matter how many fake stories you copy from websites, it does NOT change….this woman is NO brAhmin at all, which is clear from her face. She belongs to some tamil low caste….

    Now let us assume that some brahmin converts to islam or say Buddhism, does that make Islam or buddhism true?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_tx4j3O8o

    or say some christian converts to Hinduism as follows

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q-wMkc8tBU

    All human beings become victim of suffering in life and are subject to delusions at that period of their life. Weak moments make human beings lose their intelligence and discrimination, especially in poverty or difficult testing times in personal lives….so they convert from one religion to another….this does NOT prove anything for or against a religion…

    None of these personal witnesses are evidence for anything. It would be better that you logically answer the adulterous birth of jeebus….There is every indication from your bible itself that jeebus was born through adultery and nothing else….

    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
    — Deuteronomy 23:2

    Now answer logically rather than escape this with tu-ququo and strawman…

    NOTE:

    1. THE DISTINCTIVE FEATURE OF MIRACULOUS BIRTH WITH NO SEXUAL INTERCOURSE IS LACK OF 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD OR ANY GESTATION PERIOD.

    2. ONLY IN BIRTH INVOLVING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE THERE IS ALWAYS A 9 MONTH GESTATION PERIOD.

    …THIS IS A SECRET TEACHING IN HINDUISM…

    WHEN YOU KNOW THE TRUE TEACHINGS YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND THE FAKE ONES…

    HOW DO WE KNOW JEEBUS WAS BORN THROUGH ADULTERY?

    Answer is 9 MONTH GESTATION PERIOD…THIS IS HOW WE KNOW JEEBUS STORY IS MADE UP AND THAT HE IS A PRODUCT OF ADULTERY…

    1. WHOSE SPERM DID UNHOLY GHOST INSERT INTO MARY? ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT OF JOSEPH => ADULTERY

    2. WHY DID UNHOLY GHOST NOT INFORM HUSBAND JOSEPH (who wanted to divorce Mary as per gospel of Luke, chapter 1 or 2) BEFORE CONCEPTION? UNHOLY GHOST LIKE AN ADULTERER IMPREGNATED MARY WITHOUT HUSBAND’S KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMED JOSEPH IN HIS DREAM AFTER THAT….THIS DREAM STORY IS MERELY MADE UP EXCUSE. HENCE NO UNHOLY GHOST IS INVOLVED…

    3. WHEN CONCEPTION IS MIRACULOUS, WHY THERE IS NO MIRACLE IN 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD? ONLY ORDINARY HUMAN SPERM INJECTION WILL LEAD TO 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD (Luke 2 and 3 shows Mary had 9 month gestation period like Elizabeth). CLEARLY SEMEN IS INVOLVED IN MARY’S PREGNANCY…UNHOLY GHOST HAS NO BODY. SO SPERM CANNOT BELONG TO UNHOLY GHOST(S). WHOSE IT IS?

    CLEARLY THIS UNHOLY GHOST IS SOME ADULTEROOUS HUMAN BEING….=> JEEBUS WAS BORN THROUGH ADULTERY…

    NOW WHY WOULD ANYONE BET THEIR LIFE CALLING SUCH product of adultery AS “son of god” and EVEN PRAY TO SUCH A PERSON?

    EVEN BIBLE AGREES JEEBUS THE MAMZER IS A SINNER…

  26. Ra says:

    @’why?’,
    Here is a real video, (not fake), of your mother bathing in the Ganges. A Hindu monkey, you father, got excited and married her in a Hindu ritual. That’s why ‘why?’ you have a red behind.
    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7iYpRcqMss&w=420&h=315%5D

  27. why? says:

    Ron Says:
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    This testimony is in Hindu
    ===========================================

    Do you ever use your head at all?

    Have you wondered why is it that these so called witnesses all of them appear so well-rehearsed and choreographed, that they vomit what has been memorized a thousand times?

    try again with more FAKE STORIES….WHILE YOU ARE AT IT, PLEASE ANSWER LOGICALLY THE MOTHER OF ALL FAKE STORIES, “IMMACULATE” BIRTH OF JEEBUS…

    Ron Says:
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    Even if you attribute stigma to his birth it is nothing in comparison to the sins/crimes (individual and collective of) in the lives and deeds of these gods and founders.
    ====================================================

    Says who? You….even your own bible and your bible god disagrees with you…birth of a bastard is even more sinful…

    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
    — Deuteronomy 23:2

    Now answer logically rather than escape this with tu-ququo and strawman…

    NOTE:

    1. THE DISTINCTIVE FEATURE OF MIRACULOUS BIRTH WITH NO SEXUAL INTERCOURSE IS LACK OF 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD OR ANY GESTATION PERIOD.

    2. ONLY IN BIRTH INVOLVING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE THERE IS ALWAYS A 9 MONTH GESTATION PERIOD.

    …THIS IS A SECRET TEACHING IN HINDUISM…

    WHEN YOU KNOW THE TRUE TEACHINGS YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND THE FAKE ONES…

    HOW DO WE KNOW JEEBUS WAS BORN THROUGH ADULTERY?

    Answer is 9 MONTH GESTATION PERIOD…THIS IS HOW WE KNOW JEEBUS STORY IS MADE UP AND THAT HE IS A PRODUCT OF ADULTERY…

    1. WHOSE SPERM DID UNHOLY GHOST INSERT INTO MARY? ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT OF JOSEPH => ADULTERY

    2. WHY DID UNHOLY GHOST NOT INFORM HUSBAND JOSEPH (who wanted to divorce Mary as per gospel of Luke, chapter 1 or 2) BEFORE CONCEPTION? UNHOLY GHOST LIKE AN ADULTERER IMPREGNATED MARY WITHOUT HUSBAND’S KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMED JOSEPH IN HIS DREAM AFTER THAT….THIS DREAM STORY IS MERELY MADE UP EXCUSE. HENCE NO UNHOLY GHOST IS INVOLVED…

    3. WHEN CONCEPTION IS MIRACULOUS, WHY THERE IS NO MIRACLE IN 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD? ONLY ORDINARY HUMAN SPERM INJECTION WILL LEAD TO 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD (Luke 2 and 3 shows Mary had 9 month gestation period like Elizabeth). CLEARLY SEMEN IS INVOLVED IN MARY’S PREGNANCY…UNHOLY GHOST HAS NO BODY. SO SPERM CANNOT BELONG TO UNHOLY GHOST(S). WHOSE IT IS?

    CLEARLY THIS UNHOLY GHOST IS SOME ADULTEROOUS HUMAN BEING….=> JEEBUS WAS BORN THROUGH ADULTERY…

    NOW WHY WOULD ANYONE BET THEIR LIFE CALLING SUCH product of adultery AS “son of god” and EVEN PRAY TO SUCH A PERSON?

    EVEN BIBLE AGREES JEEBUS THE MAMZER IS A SINNER…

  28. why? says:

    Ron Says:
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    But remember that Jesus said “Bless those who hate you”. He also said that you will be hated and persecuted for my (Jesus’) sake.
    ====================================================

    Poor ron..cry me a bucket of tears….typical Christian victim mentality coming right from jeebus….When you tell truth that most of you are sons of prostitutes, its based on fact…it aint abuse…read my previous post…

    Ron Says:
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    Even if you attribute stigma to his birth it is nothing in comparison to the sins/crimes (individual and collective of ) in the lives and deeds of these gods and founders.
    ====================================================
    Says who? You….even your own bible and your bible god disagrees with you…birth of a bastard is even more sinful…

    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
    — Deuteronomy 23:2

    Ron Says:
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    Hindu god Rama (committed murder of Shambuka, Vali, Genocide)
    (Shambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was forbidden to him by Vedas as he was a “Shudra” (Uttara kanadam, Chapter 76).)
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    Penance by unqualified people results in death of innocents…brAhmins were dying in Kingdom and because of that this shudra was killed. Second, this shudra is a demon trying to attain what should NOT be attained…ie position of Hindu Gods (Indra’s position, implies his wife as well). So killing people who try to attain other’s wife is within justice…

    Ron Says:
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    Hindu god Rama’s disrespect for father
    Hindu god Rama called his father ” A FOOL, AN IDIOT” (Ayodhya Kandam, 53rd Chapter).
    ====================================================
    Silly irrelevant subject matter here…The word used is “avidyanaamapi”…means on account of delusion….no such word as fool or idiot is used anywhere…

    Ron Says:
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    Hindu god Rama’s contempt for women and low castes
    Hindu god Rama disfigured and mutilated many women by cutting off her noses, breasts, ears etc., and tortured them (Soorpanaki, Ayomuki).
    ==================================================
    Funny fellow….. Soorpanaki is a demoness…

    http://valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga17/aranya_17_frame.htm

    Shuurpanakha, the problem demoness of Ramayana enters here. She approaches the cottage of Rama and offers her wifehood to Rama. She is the sister of Ravana and her husband Vidyut Jihva was murdered by Ravana alone, rendering his own sister a widow. She being an age-old demoness wants Rama to marry her, leaving Seetha off.

    Rightly Shri Rama taught her a lesson..

    Ron Says:
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    Hindu god Krishna (Murder, Multiple marriages, serial rape, genocide, robbery, homosexuality with Shiva)
    There is a common misconception among some Hindus that Lord Krishna had only one consort/wife, Radha, and these 16,000 gopis were just spiritual followers of this God. That is totally false. In fact, Lord Krishna got so many gopis & wives pregnant that he populated much of the earth with Yadus (Yadavas) and had to annihilate them later
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    Already answered….There is NO sex involved in birth of children when it involves Hindu Gods…..Apparently you do NOT read them…

    Book 15 Chapter 38 VERSE 21 TALKS ABOUT SUPERNATURAL BIRTHS

    santi deva nikāyāś ca saṃkalpāñ janayanti ye
    vācā dṛṣṭyā tathā sparśāt saṃgharṣeṇeti pañcadhā

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m15/m15030.htm

    The deities are possessed of (Yoga) puissance. They are able to penetrate human bodies. 1 There are deities. They beget (offspring) by thought alone. By word, by sight, by touch, and by sexual union, also, they beget children. These are the five methods.

    47:1 The puissance here referred to is that of Anima, Laghima, etc. i.e., the capacity of becoming minute and subtile, etc.

    Ron Says:
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    Sabarimalai Sastha or Ayyapa is a sylvan god worshipped by the credulous Hindus of Kerala and Tamil Nadu in India. He is the son born to Siva and Vishnu as a result of a homosexual act. Even hindu scholars agree with it.
    ====================================================

    Which Hindu scripture talks about this? I challenge you to produce one Hindu scripture regarding this “Ayyapa”. You cannot, because it is NONEXISTANT….The very word “Ayyapa” is NOT even a Sanskrit word…These are FAKE non-Vedic deites of Kerala, which did NOT exist until 18th century..

    Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is NO Hindu scholar…He is a yoga teacher…Sanskrit and Vedic scholarship is as far as quantum physics is away from a kindergarden kid…

    Ron Says:
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    Brahma (Incest, rape, gang rape, serial rape etc.)
    ===================================================
    FAKE STORIES WITHOUR PROPER REFERENCE…

    RON, NO MATTER HOW MANY FAKE STORIES YOU QUOTE, IT IS NOT GOING TO HIDE THE ADULTEROUS BIRTH OF BASTARD JEEBUS..

  29. why? says:

    Ra,

    That is all you got mletcha (sons of prostitutes)….the words in bracket is the meaning of the word mlectha..the race of mletchas are produced when that race indulges in unhindered sexual activities without regard to any morals….This is what is west is…..this is what middle east is…..you think this is abuse….but it is hard truth….

    when I make statement about your maamzer jeebus or your races, it is based on fact and reality…unlike you guys who make up non-existent verses and statements NOT based on facts…….

    Lizzie Says:
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    In 2020 Islam will be terminated when Christ returns for Armageddon.
    ===================================================

    Ra Says:
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    Hi Lizzie,
    ‘why?’ is a Hindu, not a Muslim.
    Gee, that would be quite a show, Armageddon. And only 5 years from today.
    ====================================================

    Now lizzie lizzie….thank you for bringing up this fake prophecy of false profiteer jeebus….yet another opportunity to prove jeebus is a LIAR and DELUSIONAL FALSE PROFITEER…

    your jeebus himself claimed he will be back before the next generation is completed during his lifetime….

    “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

    NOTE: Mark the words this mamzer jeebus claimed to come back with his invisible father and invisible angels before the people standing in front of jeebus die….poor delusional jeeebus….its been 2000 years….and delusional followers of jeebus have been claiming this for 2000 years and jeebus never came back..

    LIZZIE LIZZIE GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT AND LET IT SINK INTO YOUR THICK SKULL OF YOURS..

    Now….can any one of the christians answer logically regarding adulterous birth of jeebus….NO….ONLY tu-quoquo…

  30. Ron says:

    This testimony is in Hindu

  31. Ron says:

    Mr “Why” has been liberally using his rhetoric of hate towards many of us. This sort of hate rhetoric against Jesus and Christians can be seen mainly from sociopaths and Satanists and their ilk.

    But remember that Jesus said “Bless those who hate you”. He also said that you will be hated and persecuted for my (Jesus’) sake.

    When we compare Jesus’s life and deeds to those of Ram, Krishna, Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva, Indra, Kali, Mohamed etc. then we see that Jesus was sinless (some people may question his birth but that is another issue as it is easily explained as immaculate conception by Christians).

    Even if you attribute stigma to his birth it is nothing in comparison to the sins/crimes (individual and collective of ) in the lives and deeds of these gods and founders.

    Hindu god Rama (committed murder of Shambuka, Vali, Genocide)
    (Shambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was forbidden to him by Vedas as he was a “Shudra” (Uttara kanadam, Chapter 76).)

    Hindu god Rama’s disrespect for father
    Hindu god Rama called his father ” A FOOL, AN IDIOT” (Ayodhya Kandam, 53rd Chapter).

    Hindu god Rama’s contempt for women and low castes
    Hindu god Rama disfigured and mutilated many women by cutting off her noses, breasts, ears etc., and tortured them (Soorpanaki, Ayomuki).

    Hindu god Krishna (Murder, Multiple marriages, serial rape, genocide, robbery, homosexuality with Shiva)
    There is a common misconception among some Hindus that Lord Krishna had only one consort/wife, Radha, and these 16,000 gopis were just spiritual followers of this God. That is totally false. In fact, Lord Krishna got so many gopis & wives pregnant that he populated much of the earth with Yadus (Yadavas) and had to annihilate them later

    Sabarimalai Sastha or Ayyapa is a sylvan god worshipped by the credulous Hindus of Kerala and Tamil Nadu in India. He is the son born to Siva and Vishnu as a result of a homosexual act. Even hindu scholars agree with it.

    Brahma (Incest, rape, gang rape, serial rape etc.)
    Brahma is one of the three main gods-Trimurti-of the Hindu pantheon. He is the creator of the universe, Sarasvati, who became the wife of her own father, was the daughter of Brahma. There are two stories about her genesis in the
    “Sarasvati Purana”. One is that Brahma created his beautiful daughter Sarasvati direct from his “vital strength” or seminal fluid. The other is that Brahma used to collect his semen in a pot whenever he masturbated fixing his carnal eyes on the celestial beauty Urvashi. Brahma’s semen in the pot gave birth to Sarasvati. Thus, Sarasvati had no mother.

  32. Ra says:

    Hi Lizzie,
    ‘why?’ is a Hindu, not a Muslim.
    Gee, that would be quite a show, Armageddon. And only 5 years from today.

  33. Lizzie says:

    Why has appointed himself the muslim abuser of others and their religions.
    He blasphemes Christ who is the Son of God and also calls him a bastard. He therefore is calling God and the Blessed Virgin Mary by blasphemous terms which is a serious error and grossly evil.
    In 2020 Islam will be terminated when Christ returns for Armageddon.
    I imagine muslims like Why will be terminated as will all terrorists,murderers,deceivers and cruel people.
    why will not believe this simple truth but I am telling him with Authority.

  34. Ra says:

    @ why?
    You Hindus are the litters of monkeys and dead bodies floating in the open-sewers filthy Ganges. That’s why you’re smelly from a mile away.

  35. why? says:

    Ron says:
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    Please watch this
    =======================

    christians are epxerts in creating NON-EXISTENT FAKE STORIES….If this was a real event, one would provide clear evidence like

    1. doctor’s reports, scans, x-rays, etc.
    2. Which hospial he was admitted, time and place
    3. records of 911 calls, testimonies from emergency staff and ambulance drivers..
    4. live testimony from doctors who treated him showing the official hospital records
    5. photographs of any of the accident or pictures of himself being admitted in the hospital and getting treated
    6. At the least one photograph of himself in the hospital, when he was not fully healed showing the area of injury..

    NOTE:

    The person claiming miracle die NOT even show the area of injury in camera..

    There was NOT one picture showing any evidence, neither was hospital records of any kind shown in the christian TV program…Obviously the entire story is FAKE, JUST LIKE CHRISTIAN LIARS CREATE/QUOTE NON-EXISTENT FAKE STORIES FROM THIRD RATE WEBSITES….

    WHEN CHRISTIAN GOD HIMSELF IS A FAKE FELLOW WHO FAKED HIS VIRGIN BIRTH WHEN BORN THROUGH ADULTERY, WHEN ADULTERY IS CHRISTIAN CULTURE (EVERY WESTERN WOMAN IS ADULTEROUS PROSTITUTE) WHAT ELSE CAN YOU EXPECT FROM SUCH PEOPLE?

    POPULATION FULL OF ADULTEROUS CHILDREN, WORSHIPING A FAKE VIRGIN BORN ADULTEROUS JEEBUS, CREATING FAKE MIRACLE STORIES FOR GULLIBLE PEOPLE….

  36. why? says:

    Ra,

    At the least we do NOT worship filthy bastard god jeebus like you guys…All you mletchas (sons of prostitutes) can do is quote non-existent fake stories on third class websites, you worshipers of filthy bastard god….

  37. Ra says:

    @Ron,
    That ‘why?’ has the galls to criticize the fictitious birth of Jesus when in India there are filthy Hindu gods by the bushels!

  38. why? says:

    Ron,

    No matter how many LIES you spout from your behind, it does NOT change the fact that your jeeps is a bastard born out of adulterous woman Mary who had sex with somebody other than the husband….

    NOTE:

    1. THE DISTINCTIVE FEATURE OF MIRACULOUS BIRTH WITH NO SEXUAL INTERCOURSE IS LACK OF 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD OR ANY GESTATION PERIOD.

    2. ONLY IN BIRTH INVOLVING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE THERE IS ALWAYS A 9 MONTH GESTATION PERIOD.

    …THIS IS A SECRET TEACHING IN HINDUISM…

    WHEN YOU KNOW THE TRUE TEACHINGS YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND THE FAKE ONES…

    HOW DO WE KNOW JEEBUS WAS BORN THROUGH ADULTERY?

    Answer is 9 MONTH GESTATION PERIOD…THIS IS HOW WE KNOW JEEBUS STORY IS MADE UP AND THAT HE IS A PRODUCT OF ADULTERY…

    1. WHOSE SPERM DID UNHOLY GHOST INSERT INTO MARY? ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT OF JOSEPH => ADULTERY

    2. WHY DID UNHOLY GHOST NOT INFORM HUSBAND JOSEPH (who wanted to divorce Mary as per gospel of Luke, chapter 1 or 2) BEFORE CONCEPTION? UNHOLY GHOST LIKE AN ADULTERER IMPREGNATED MARY WITHOUT HUSBAND’S KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMED JOSEPH IN HIS DREAM AFTER THAT….THIS DREAM STORY IS MERELY MADE UP EXCUSE. HENCE NO UNHOLY GHOST IS INVOLVED…

    3. WHEN CONCEPTION IS MIRACULOUS, WHY THERE IS NO MIRACLE IN 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD? ONLY ORDINARY HUMAN SPERM INJECTION WILL LEAD TO 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD (Luke 2 and 3 shows Mary had 9 month gestation period like Elizabeth). CLEARLY SEMEN IS INVOLVED IN MARY’S PREGNANCY…UNHOLY GHOST HAS NO BODY. SO SPERM CANNOT BELONG TO UNHOLY GHOST(S). WHOSE IT IS?

    CLEARLY THIS UNHOLY GHOST IS SOME ADULTEROOUS HUMAN BEING….=> JEEBUS WAS BORN THROUGH ADULTERY…

    NOW WHY WOULD ANYONE BET THEIR LIFE CALLING SUCH product of adultery AS “son of god” and EVEN PRAY TO SUCH A PERSON?

    EVEN BIBLE AGREES JEEBUS THE MAMZER IS A SINNER…

    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

    — Deuteronomy 23:2

  39. why? says:

    Ron Says:
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    Bestiality is practised by Hindu gods and allowed in Hinduism
    SOME ‘GREAT SAGES’ OF HINDUISM WERE BORN THROUGH BESTIALITY
    Manusmrti 10:69-72.
    Bestiality by Shiva and Nandi

    HINDUISM SAYS BESTIALITY IS NOT THAT BAD OF A CRIME
    Visnusmrti 5:40-44.
    =====================================================

    Pathetic silly attempt by idiotic fellow….When Christians run out of logic they end up with tu-quoquo, strawman and writing PURE LIES…No evidence of Shiva-Nandi bestiality..just made up nonsense….

    If Manusmriti verses 10:69-72 stand for bestiality practiced by Hindu Gods or sages, then why does Visnusmriti punish for bestiality as a Sin and/or crime whether you consider it as minor or major sin? Make up ur mind…

    Manusmrti 10:69-72 does NOT talk about bestiality, but the supernatural power of sages in creating life using even the animals as a womb for creating life…Just as the Sage Parashara created with supernatural powers the son Vyasa, similarly sages used supernatural powers to create life even from pots (look at the birth of Duryodhana for example in Mahabharatha)…does it mean one had sex with pots.….This is what is meant by the verse….the power of seed refers to supernatural powers of sage they can create life fro anywhere, by thought, speech, touch etc.…

    Book 15 Chapter 38 VERSE 21 TALKS ABOUT SUPERNATURAL BIRTHS

    santi deva nikāyāś ca saṃkalpāñ janayanti ye
    vācā dṛṣṭyā tathā sparśāt saṃgharṣeṇeti pañcadhā

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m15/m15030.htm

    The deities are possessed of (Yoga) puissance. They are able to penetrate human bodies. 1 There are deities. They beget (offspring) by thought alone. By word, by sight, by touch, and by sexual union, also, they beget children. These are the five methods.

    47:1 The puissance here referred to is that of Anima, Laghima, etc. i.e., the capacity of becoming minute and subtile, etc.

    Ron Says:
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    Hinduism accepts physical relationships between brother and sister as well as between father and daughter. According to the Hindus Holy Granths these are valid and divine relationships.
    ==================================================

    Notice how none of the claims have any reference…….why bother about non-existing stories or LIES?
    Each and every claim is LIE and that is why there is no reference whatsoever….
    Ron Says:
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    From The Holy Shiv Purana : The Families Of Hindu Gods
    Siva Purana 3:21:1-8; Kalika Purana 49:1-92, 50:1-64, 51:1- 60, 52:1-155, 53:1-217. —
    ===================================================

    FAKE REFERENCE…ALTHOUGH CHAPTER NUMBERS ETC. ARE THERE, THERE IS ACTUALLY THERE IS NO SUCH STORY IN SIVA PURANA OR KALIKA PURANA….USUAL NON-EXISTANT MADE UP NONSENSE FROM THRD RATE WEBSITES…..

    Ron Says:
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    The Shiv Purana Lord Shiva And Linga Purana– A Dirty Story

    Once Lord Siva visited to Tarugavanam and meet Birunthai Rishi.
    ================================================

    ANOTHER NON-EXISTENT FAKE STORY MADE BY SIKHS…..THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO PROPER REFERENCE OF CHAPTER NUMBERS….

    Phoenix Says:
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    *Notice that 4 and 5 are also defined as assassins. That is, when merely raising your hand to curse and reciting a spell from the Vedas. Anyone who recites the verses below, against an innocent person,
    ======================================================

    The verse in Vishnu Smriti talks about AtatAyins (those who cross limits of dharma or justice). The AtatAyi’s goal is NOT self-defense, but political goals or some other selfish goals (more like a traitor or one wishing for destruction of other for property etc.)….The Atharva-Veda verses if used against innocent persons who is NOT an attacker, he can be killed….even if he is a brAhmin…This is ONE exception to the rule of NOT killing brAhmins…

  40. Ra says:

    @Ron,
    I thought when the 2 ‘strong’ angels showed up, they were going to lift the truck up and free the poor man

  41. Ajay says:

    @Faithfreedom

    Why my comment not publishing? Am I banned here? And why? (I was Commenting here as Vishal Kumar)

  42. Ron says:

    Please watch this

  43. Da says:

    I’m happy to see that there is no single accusation like the ones here against the pure Buddhism.

  44. Vijai Singh says:

    There is one true religion, but it is definitely not Islam. It makes good sense to know that the oldest and not the last or final revelation, it is better qualified to be true.

  45. Phoenix says:

    Ron,

    Thanks for those verses on bestiality from the smritis. I don’t know how I missed them. So I decided to revisit the entire chapter, and I stumbled upon something quite interesting.

    Vishnu Smriti 5:190. By killing an assassin who attempts to kill, Whether in public or in private, no crime is committed by the slayer: fury recoils upon fury”

    * There seems to be nothing wrong with this verse. It justifies killing in self-defense,a commonsensical and instinctive approach. But the key word here to consider is “assassin”. What qualifies as an assassin in Hinduism. The very next verse makes that abundantly clear.

    191. Assassins should be known to be of seven kinds: such as try to kill with the sword, or with poison, or with fire, such as raise their hand in order to pronounce a curse, such as recite a deadly incantation from the Atharva-veda, such as raise a false accusation which reaches the ears of the king,”

    *Notice that 4 and 5 are also defined as assassins. That is, when merely raising your hand to curse and reciting a spell from the Vedas. Anyone who recites the verses below, against an innocent person, calling for the deaths of witches , sorcerers and their children qualifies as an assassin and thus deserves to be killed. I say “against an innocent person” because the verses from the smritis is supossed to justify killing in self-defense.

    “Atharva Veda III:1,7.7 Do thou, O Agni, drag hither the sorcerers, bound in shackles; then Indra with his thunderbolt shall cut off their heads!
    Atharva Veda III:1,8,3 Slay the offspring of the sorcerer, O soma-drinking (Indra), and subject (him)! Make drop out the farther and the nearer eye of the braggart (demon)!
    Atharva veda 10:1:19 …Let that go back to whence it came, turn thither like a horse and kill the children of the sorcerer.
    23.Bhava and Sarva cast the flash of lightning, the weapon of the Gods, against the sinner who made the evil thing, who deals in witchcraft!
    31.The brood of wizard, sorcerer, the purposer of evil deed.Crush thou, O Krityā spare not, kill those practisers of magic arts”

  46. Ron says:

    rom The Shiv Purana Lord Shiva And Linga Purana– A Dirty Story

    Once Lord Siva visited to Tarugavanam and meet Birunthai Rishi. At that time Lord Siva saw Rishi’s very beautiful wife. Usually Lord Siva is worst in sexual character. Lord Siva planned to rape Rishi’s wife and in midnight Lord Siva made the voice of cock. Immediately Birunthai Rishi thought that was dawn and he went to River Ganges for bath. In the mean time Lord Siva changed his shape himself as like Birunthai Rishi and entered inside the cottage. Rishi’s wife did not refuse for the sex and Lord Siva enjoyed sex with her. Birunthai Rishi confused himself and feel that time must be midnight. Rishi immediately returned to his cottage and saw his wife in raped condition. Rishi identified that was Lord Siva. Rishi got angry about this kind of immoral activity of Lord Siva. Rishi gave Sabam ( the effective spiritual words during the the time of anger ). Rishi cried, ” The penis rapes my wife must be destroy immediately.” After the sabam of Rishi, The penis of Lord Siva detached from him and come down to the earth as like arrow. The Devas requested Lord Siva’s wife Parvathi to save the earth from the danger of Lord siva’s penis. Parvathi herself accepted the penis of Lord Siva into her vagina as like lock and key method. Lord Brahmma gave base support to the sexual organs that is linga Beetam. Only the sexual organs of Lord Siva and Parvathi is known as Siva Lingam.

  47. Ron says:

    From The Holy Shiv Purana : The Families Of Hindu Gods

    “When the gods interrupted Siva and Parvati, two sons were born of drops of Siva’s seed. These sons were then posted at the door to prevent further interruptions while Siva made love to Parvati, having promised the gods that he would not spill his seed in her. One day Parvati came out of the bedroom in great dishabille, half naked, her breasts scored with teeth marks. The two sons chanced to see her like that, and they were upset, but Parvati became angry and said, ‘Why have you looked at me when I was not in a state to be seen by anyone but my husband? You should have closed your eyes. Since you have done this immoral thing, you will be reborn as mortal men with the faces of monkeys.’ Then they were miserable and protested that it was her fault for having come out so suddenly, and they cursed her to become a mortal queen (Taravati) and Siva to be her husband (Candrasekhara) so that they themselves might be born again as their sons, Vetala and Bhairava.” — Siva Purana 3:21:1-8; Kalika Purana 49:1-92, 50:1-64, 51:1- 60, 52:1-155, 53:1-217. —

  48. Ron says:

    Hinduism accepts physical relationships between brother and sister as well as between father and daughter. According to the Hindus Holy Granths these are valid and divine relationships.

    Let’s look at examples of these Hindu ‘Holy’ Relationships:

    * Brother And Sister Sex :: Holy Rig Veda :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Pushan had a physical relationship with his Sister Shurya

    * Brother and Sister Sex :: Rig Veda :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Agni is the lover of his own sister.

    * Brother and Sister Sex :: Rig Veda :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who were sisters.

    * Lord Krishna Incest :: Lord Krishna lived in incest with his sister Subhadra, sharing her with his brother Balarama [Mah.wh.153 ]

    * Father And Daughter Incest :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had a physical relationship with his Daughter Sarasvati. In the Holy Purans, Brahma explains the validity and divine power of this relationship.

    * Father and Daughter Incest :: Holy Rig Veda :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Agni is the son of his father and his own sister. The Ashvins are referred to as the sons of Savitar and Ushas who are brother and sister.

    * Sex With Prostitutes :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had a physical relationship with Urvasi (a sex worker), their son’s name was Rishi Vasishta

    * Intermatial Sex :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had relationship with Parvati. Their son’s name was Agasthiar

    * Sex With Animals :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had a sexual relationship with a Bear. A son called Jambu Vandan was born from this act of bestiality.

    * Sex With A Dead Body (Necrophilia) :: Holy Purans :: It is Valid in Hinduism. Brahma had sex with a dead body in a cremation ground. His son Salliyan was born from this necrophilia.
    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=112_1405074065#JE2y8F33Vy52Zk23.99

  49. Ron says:

    Bestiality is practised by Hindu gods and allowed in Hinduism

    SOME ‘GREAT SAGES’ OF HINDUISM WERE BORN THROUGH BESTIALITY
    “Just as good seed, sown in a good field, culminates in a birth, so the son
    born from an Aryan father in an Aryan mother deserves every transformative
    ritual. Some wise men value the seed, others the field, and still others
    both the seed and the field; but this is the final decision on this subject:
    seed sown in the wrong field perishes right inside it; and a field by itself
    with no seed also remains barren. And since sages have been born in (female)
    animals by the power of the seed, and were honoured and valued, therefore
    the seed is valued.” — Manusmrti 10:69-72.
    Bestiality by Shiva and Nandi

    It seems Shiva (hindu god) and Nandi (holy bull) decided to have sex with each other.
    So it was Shiva’s turn first and he had sex with the bull Nandi.
    After that it was Nandi’s turn and when he wanted to mount upon Shiva, it seems Shiva ran off and hid in the temple. Nandi then waited outside facing the temple so that whenever Shiva comes off then Nandi could have the chance to screw Shiva.
    That is why outside every Shiva temple you will see a Nandi bull statue facing the temple.

    HINDUISM SAYS BESTIALITY IS NOT THAT BAD OF A CRIME
    Hinduism states that sex with animals is not nearly as bad as sex with a
    (human) outcaste; for sex with a cow or some other animal, it’s pardonable,
    but for sex with a (human) outcaste, a twice-born Hindu should be executed:

    “An adulterer shall be made to pay the highest amercement if he has had
    connection with a woman of his own caste; for adultery with women of a lower
    caste, the second amercement; the same (fine is ordained) for a bestial
    crime committed with a cow. He who has had connection with a woman of one of
    the lowest castes, shall be put to death. For a bestial crime committed with
    cattle (other than cows) he shall be fined a hundred Karshapanas.” —
    Visnusmrti 5:40-44.

  50. why? says:

    NOTE:

    1. THE DISTINCTIVE FEATURE OF MIRACULOUS BIRTH WITH NO SEXUAL INTERCOURSE IS LACK OF 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD OR ANY GESTATION PERIOD.

    2. ONLY IN BIRTH INVOLVING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE THERE IS ALWAYS A 9 MONTH GESTATION PERIOD.

    WHEN YOU KNOW THE TRUE TEACHINGS YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND THE FAKE ONES…THIS IS A SECRET TEACHING IN HINDUISM…

    HOW DO WE KNOW JEEBUS WAS BORN THROUGH ADULTERY? 9 MONTH GESTATION PERIOD…THIS IS HOW E KNOW JEEBUS STORY IS MADE UP AND THAT HE IS A PRODUCT OF ADULTERY…

    1. WHOSE SPERM DID UNHOLY GHOST INSERT INTO MARY? ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT OF JOSEPH => ADULTERY

    2. WHY DID UNHOLY GHOST NOT INFORM HUSBAND JOSEPH (who wanted to divorce Mary as per gospel of Luke, chapter 1 or 2) BEFORE CONCEPTION? UNHOLY GHOST LIKE AN ADULTERER IMPREGNATED MARY WITHOUT HUSBAND’S KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMED IN DREAM AFTER THAT….THIS DREAM STORY IS MERELY MADE UP EXCUSE. HENCE NO UNHOLY GHOST IS INVOLVED…

    3. WHEN CONCEPTION IS MIRACULOUS, WHY THERE IS NO MIRACLE IN 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD? ONLY ORDINARY HUMAN SPERM INJECTION WILL LEAD TO 9 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD (Luke 2 and 3 shows Mary had 9 month gestation period like Elizabeth). CLEARLY SEMEN IS INVOLVED IN MARY’S PREGNANCY…UNHOLY GHOST HAS NO BODY. SO SPERM CANNOT BELONG TO UNHOLY GHOST(S). WHOSE IT IS?

    CLEARLY THIS UNHOLY GHOST IS SOME ADULTEROOUS HUMAN BEING….=> JEEBUS WAS BORN THROUGH ADULTERY…

    NOW WHY WOULD ANYONE BET THEIR LIFE CALLING SUCH product of adultery AS “son of god” and EVEN PRAY TO SUCH A PERSON?

  51. why? says:

    Ron says:
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    Hindu god Krishna misused his godliness to lure women and then commits genocide of his own descendents.

    LORD KRSNA MARRIES 16,000 WIVES & THEN DESTROYS HIS OWN FAMILY TO DEPOPULATE THE EARTH
    ===================================================

    Really Ron….what is the relationship between the topic of this post and the topic you have raised?

    There is NO SEX involved here….

    ======================================
    http://www.divyajivan.org/articles/siva/Gopislove_Krishna.htm

    Some ignorant people say: “Krishna is not the Lord. He is not an Avatara. He is a passionate cowherd who lustfully played with the Gopis.” What was the age of Lord Krishna at that time? Was he not a boy of seven? Can there be a tinge of passion in Him?
    ======================================

    You think birth of children implies sex…there is no sex involved in the birth of children of Krishna..

    Book 15 Chapter 38 VERSE 21 TALKS ABOUT SUPERNATURAL BIRTHS

    santi deva nikāyāś ca saṃkalpāñ janayanti ye
    vācā dṛṣṭyā tathā sparśāt saṃgharṣeṇeti pañcadhā

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m15/m15030.htm

    The deities are possessed of (Yoga) puissance. They are able to penetrate human bodies. 1 There are deities. They beget (offspring) by thought alone. By word, by sight, by touch, and by sexual union, also, they beget children. These are the five methods.

    47:1 The puissance here referred to is that of Anima, Laghima, etc. i.e., the capacity of becoming minute and subtile, etc.

    Mahabharatha is full of instances of birth with supernatural powers….SOME EXAMPLES ARE KARNA, KRISHNA, VYASA, ARJUNA, YUDHISTIRA, BHIMA, NAKULA, SAHADEVA, DRAUPATI, DRISHTADYUMNA, Pandu, Dhrtarashtra, etc..all were born without involving any sexual intercourse….

    Miraculous birth of Sage and God Vyasa..

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01064.htm

    “And Satyavati gratified with having obtained the excellent boon in consequence of which she became sweet-scented and her virginity remained unsullied conceived through Parasara’s embraces. And she brought forth the very day, on an island in the Yamuna, the child begot upon her by Parasara and gifted with great energy. And the child, with the permission of his mother, set his mind on asceticism. And he went away saying, ‘As soon as thou rememberest me when occasion comes, I shall appear unto thee.’

    Read virginity remains unsullied, she gave birth in one day, the child grew miraculously the same day into an adult and went away from mother to do ascetic practices…THIS IS MIRACULOUS CONCEPTION AND HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE…

    The birth of Karna and others is also similar in Mahabharatha with the exception of miraculous growth..The birth of Draupati and her brother Drushtadymna (came out as adults) is directly from the sacrificial fire altar without involving any human agency…

  52. why? says:

    Phoenix,

    So you agree that christianity as per jeebus himself allows Mosaic laws and capital punishments for adultery.
    Nowhere jeebus or any first christian in bible opposes Mosaic laws (moral laws, not talking about dietary rules or body modification techniques alias circumcision) and capital punishments….even historically all European christian nations had death penalty until last century even..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#Europe

    Before the 20th century, adultery was often punished harshly. In Scandinavia, in the 17th century, adultery and bigamy were subject to the death penalty, although few people were actually executed.[122] Examples of women who have been executed for adultery in Medieval and Early Modern Europe include Maria of Brabant, Duchess of Bavaria (in 1256), Agnese Visconti (in 1391), Beatrice Lascaris di Tenda (in 1418), Anne Boleyn (in 1536), and Catherine Howard (in 1542). The enforcement of adultery laws varied by jurisdiction. In England, the last execution for adultery is believed to have taken place in 1654, when a woman named Susan Bounty was hanged.

    Jeebus himself says he came NOT to abolish (negate, abrogate or tell people they are free to break laws without punishment) the laws (moral laws) of prophets, but to fulfill them (ie make people follow with their heart, ie write it in their hearts)….one example is one who looks at a woman commits adultery….So jeebus himself agrees that even thought amounts to adultery….

    So why would you blame a Hindu sage for punishing his wife for adultery by thought? In Hinduism, adultery can be committed by thought, word or deed…These rules for sages and their wives are stricter. The story continues further…why stop..

    SB 9:16:6 Lord Paraśurāma, knowing the power of his father, who was practiced in meditation and austerity, killed his mother and brothers immediately.

    SB 9.16.7 — Jamadagni, the son of Satyavatī, was very much pleased with Paraśurāma and asked him to take any benediction he liked. Lord Paraśurāma replied, “Let my mother and brothers live again and not remember having been killed by me. This is the benediction I ask.”

    SB 9.16.8 — Thereafter, by the benediction of Jamadagni, Lord Paraśurāma’s mother and brothers immediately came alive and were very happy, as if awakened from sound sleep. Lord Paraśurāma had killed his relatives in accordance with his father’s order because he was fully aware of his father’s power, austerity and learning.

    The sage brings back his wife and children alive again after the punishment has been executed…

    Phoenix
    ==============================================
    “According to ancient Hindu laws, only the felonious female were punished and killed while the husbands were considered equal to god and were left off with warnings only.
    ==============================================

    Your own quotes from manu smriti disprove that….go back and read again…the male offender is burned to death in iron bed or in a bed of dry grass….8:372 and 377

    Manu 8:372 and 377….377 is both for man and woman who violates a brAhmin woman….

    brAhmani means a brAhmin woman…

    Phoenix
    ==============================================
    We can see from the above evidence taken from secular and religious sources that Hinduism does not tolerate adultery in the least and has the harshest punishment prescribed for women and men from the lower castes. While Brahmin men walk away with a slap on the wrist. Gender and caste discrimination too?
    ==============================================

    There is no gender discrimination is clearly seen…both are punished equally….However, a brAhmin (man or woman) in Hindu law cannot be punished by death in Hinduism….

    381. No greater crime is known on earth than slaying a Brahmana (man or woman); a king, therefore, must not even conceive in his mind the thought of killing a Brahmana.

    Hence no death punishment or corporeal punishment….A brAhmin suffers branding and banishment….

  53. Phoenix says:

    under the rule of Hindu Law adultery was a crime punishable by death but in many cases the men would walk away unscathed while the woman was burnt to death in dry grass or ripped to shreds by dogs.

    India’s law experts agree. Adultery Laws in India
    “According to ancient Hindu laws, only the felonious female were punished and killed while the husbands were considered equal to god and were left off with warnings only.

    The ancient jurisprudence of Hindu India known as Manu Smriti and the puranas sanctions the harshest punishments for adulterous women.

    Manu 8:371. If a wife, proud of the greatness of her relatives or (her own) excellence, violates the duty which she owes to her lord, the king shall cause her to be devoured by dogs in a place frequented by many.

    *( the “duty she owes to her lord”, refers to her chastity)

    372. Let him cause the male offender to be burnt on a red-hot iron bed; they shall put logs under it, (until) the sinner is burned (to death).

    377. But even these two, if they offend with a Brahmani (not only) guarded (but the wife of an eminent man), shall be punished like a Sudra or be burnt in a fire of dry grass.

    *We find in the Puranas how a sage orders his sons to murder their mother for merely having adulterous thoughts
    Bhagavata Purana SB 9:16:5 The great sage Jamadagni understood the adultery in the mind of his wife. Therefore he was very angry and told his sons, “My dear sons, kill this sinful woman!” But the sons did not carry out his order.
    SB 9:16:6 Jamadagni then ordered his youngest son, Paraśurāma, to kill his brothers, who had disobeyed this order, and his mother, who had mentally committed adultery. Lord Paraśurāma, knowing the power of his father, who was practiced in meditation and austerity, killed his mother and brothers immediately.

    *Vishnu puranas confirm adultery is punishable in this life and in the hereafter
    Vishnu Purana 3:11(p.309)…He who commits adultery is punished both here and hereafter; for his days in this world are cut short, and when dead he falls into hell…”

    *Merely having a connection or sexual relations with a lower caste member is enough to warrant the death penalty
    Vishnu [SBE] 5:43. He who has had connection with a woman of one of the lowest castes, shall be put to death.

    Manu 8:359. A man who is not a Brahmana ought to suffer death for adultery (samgrahana); for the wives of all the four castes even must always be carefully guarded.
    ====
    Wiki confirms death penalty for adultery was carried out in numerous cases in ancient india:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%E1%B9%87%E1%B8%8Da_%28Hindu_punishment%29#Death

    “There are some main differences between the ancient and the modern Hindu law with respect to the death penalty. The first difference is that in classical India the death penalty was permissible in a very large number of cases. Second, the death penalty was not prescribed solely in cases in which death resulted or was likely to result. Instead, it was also used in cases such as adultery and theft.”

    We can see from the above evidence taken from secular and religious sources that Hinduism does not tolerate adultery in the least and has the harshest punishment prescribed for women and men from the lower castes. While Brahmin men walk away with a slap on the wrist. Gender and caste discrimination too?

  54. Ron says:

    Hindu god Krishna misused his godliness to lure women and then commits genocide of his own descendents.

    LORD KRSNA MARRIES 16,000 WIVES & THEN DESTROYS HIS OWN FAMILY TO DEPOPULATE THE EARTH
    Lord Krsna must be seriously lacking foresight to screw so many gopis, overpopulate the earth & then destroy his own family for weighing down the earth:

    “Krsna became a householder (head of a household) in Dvaraka and married many wives, and had many sons and grandsons. In the race of the Yadus, no one was poor; everyone had many children, lived a long life, and respected Brahmins. But they were so numerous that one could not count them even in a hundred years. The terrible demons who had been slain in the battle of the gods and demons were born among men, and so at the command of Visnu the gods became incarnate in the race of Yadus to repress the demons…. When Krsna had killed the demons, and thus relieved the burden of the earth, he thought, ‘The earth is still overburdened by the unbearably burdensome race of the Yadus. No one else can overcome them, since they are under my protection.’ … Deluded by Krsna’s power of delusion, and cursed by the Brahmins, they were all destroyed, and when his entire family had been destroyed, Krsna said, ‘The burden has been removed.’ ” — Srimad Bhagavatam 10:90:27-44; 11:1:1-4; 11:30:1-25.

  55. why? says:

    Richard,

    Post the arguments of isaac of ninveh….we will see if he answered anything logically….Just saying he answered does NOT answer anything.

  56. Richard says:

    @why

    All of your argumetns were already answered by St Isaac of Nineveh in the 7th century.

  57. why? says:

    John 8:7

    So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

    “Let him first cast a stone at her”

    The commentator explains beautifully that jeebus was asking the witness(es) to step forward first and cast a stone at her…….

    Commentary: “Let him first” means “let him first of you”; not “let him cast the first stone.” This was the duty of the witnesses.

    Clearly, jeebus wanted the witness(es) to step forward first and STONE the set-up adulteress (false actress as adulteress) before others do it…This is requirement of Mosaic law…..

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9981/jewish/Chapter-17.htm

    Devarim – Deuteronomy – Chapter 17:6-7

    6 By the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall the one liable to death be put to death; he shall not be put to death by the mouth of one witness.

    7 The hand of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people, and you shall abolish evil from among you.

    If any witness steps forward they will be examined and if found false will be themselves STONED as per Deuteronomy 19:16-21….

    JEEBUS ALSO SAID

    John 7:24

    Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.

    SO NOWHERE JEEBUS IS AGAINST STONING OF ADULTERESS OR ANY MOSAIC LAWS DISHING OUT DEATH SENTENCES OF ANY KIND…

  58. why? says:

    The following christian commentator explains better that jeebus is NOT at all against stoning or judging others when one is qualified to do so….

    http://biblehub.com/commentaries/john/8-7.htm

    John 8:7

    So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

    Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers

    (7) So when they continued asking him.—He would have avoided their question, and continued, as is here implied, for some time in the action of writing; but they will now interrupt that action. It seems to them that He cannot avoid the snare in which they have placed Him, and that He is seeking the only escape in silence. But there is an answer of which they think not, and this He stands up to give.

    He that is without sin among you.—The word rendered “without sin” is frequent in the classical writers, but is found in this place only in the New Testament. It takes here a special meaning from the context, and is to be understood of the class of sins of which her sin was an instance. (Comp. the word “sinner” as used in Luke 7:37.) Of the immorality among the Jewish rulers, which gives force to these words, evidence is not wanting. Still the wider meaning is probably not excluded. They who ask this question about the Seventh Commandment were themselves breaking the Sixth and the Ninth. It is to be noted, in the application of this answer, that our Lord does not lay down sinlessness as the necessary condition of fitness for taking part in the punishment of guilt. This would be to nullify law, for there could be then no human executive power. He is not speaking in a case brought before the appointed tribunal, but in a case where men assume to themselves the position of judges of another’s guilt. In the judge, while he wears the robe of justice, the individual man ceases to exist, and he becomes the representative of God; but these can now speak only as men, and condemn her only by the contrast of a higher purity. (Comp. Notes on John 10:34 et seq.)

    Let him first cast a stone at her.—The Received text and some MSS. (not including the Cambridge MS.) read “the stone,” the stone referred to in John 8:5. “Let him first” means “let him first of you”; not “let him cast the first stone.” This was the duty of the witnesses. (See marginal reference.) We must not take the words to express permission only; it is an imperative, expressing command.

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    Even jeebus was NOT against judging others and dishing out capital punishments as long as it is compliant with god’s laws or OT (Mosaic) laws…

    John 7:24

    Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.

    Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

  59. why? says:

    Lizzie Says:
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    In the Bble there is a story about a woman adultress being prepared for stoning by the Jews and Jesus was present. As the Jews gathered up their rocks and stones Jesus said-
    “Let he who is without sin throw the first stone”.
    Needless to say the crowd of aggressors melted away.
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    No where jeebus has condemned god given Moses’ laws as bad or evil….In fact jeebus himself knew it very clearly about god given capital punishments….

    Matthew 15:3

    For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; [a] and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’

    Jeebus himself admits that God commanded these laws…..when jeebus states “God commanded them”, was he saying this just to satisfy Jews or did he himself believe in them as God commanding these laws? Answer honestly…This same jeebus said not on tittle of law will be left unfulfilled….So it is clear that jeebus believed these are commands of god and are ethical and moral….

    It is unlikely jeebus himself will go against god given capital punishments….including stoning for adultery…So what is the actual explanation for adulteress story?

    if you read the verses you can see that some jews were trying to set up jeebus for going against mosaic laws regarding stoning adulteress and adulterer….

    jeebus was shrewd enough to know that guys are trapping him by getting only the woman and not the man who committed adultery. Jewish law requires both adulterer and adulteress to be caught red handed doing sexual intercourse by two witnesses minimum (evidence below). Besides execution of adulterers has to be decided by a jewish courts, judges etc. and not by mob rule where a mob kills arbitrarily some adulteress..

    Hebrews 10:28
    Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

    jeebus saw conspiracy and cleverly came out of the situation by asking the mob one who is NOT guilty of sin can throw the first stone….

    What did he mean by this? Jeebus said that as per old testament law, one who bears false witness is guilty of the same crime and punishment as the one the false witness is casting on the victim….Here is OT evidence

    Deuteronomy 19:16-21 “If a false witness rises against any man to testify against him of wrongdoing, 17 “then both men in the controversy shall stand before Yahweh, before the priests and the judges who serve in those days. 18 “And the judges shall make careful inquiry, and indeed, if the witness is a false witness, who has testified falsely against his brother, 19 “then you shall do to him as he thought to have done to his brother; so you shall put away the evil from among you. 20 “And those who remain shall hear and fear, and hereafter they shall not again commit such evil among you. 21 “Your eye shall not pity: life shall be for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

    If what jeebus said is against moses laws, he would have been caught by these jews and prosecuted for blasphemy against Mosaic laws. However, clearly the jews understood that jeebus meant that anyone who casts first stone would be taken to judges and his witness examined. If his testimony is found false (especially absence of adulterous man here), they would be executed with same punishment as adultery. Therefore, jews beat a fast retreat and went back.

    This has nothing to do with jeebus abolishing capital punishment, but a shrewd jeebus escaping intelligently the trap laid down by the jews.

  60. why? says:

    Lizzie Says:
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    Typos in my last post. It is the Lsws of God given to Moses that underpin Judaism and Christianity that are absent from Islam.
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    I do not know if you have even read the bible once, because stoning of adulterers comes from the “god” given laws of Moses….not only stoning, but also strangulation and being burned to death…

    http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9921#showrashi=true

    Leviticus 20:10 and Deutoronomy 22:22

    10 And a man who commits adultery with [another] man’s wife, committing adultery with the wife of his fellow the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

    Rashi’s commentary:

    The adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death: Wherever a death penalty is mentioned in the Torah without specification [as to the mode of death, it exclusively refers to strangulation. — [Torath Kohanim 20:106, Sanh. 52b]

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24
    If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.

    Leviticus 21:9 “And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.”

  61. Lizzie says:

    Typos in my last post. It is the Lsws of God given to Moses that underpin Judaism and Christianity that are absent from Islam. A murderer,pedophile and terrorist would not have been able to embrace such words of God.

  62. Lizzie says:

    In the Bble there is a story about a woman adultress being prepared for stoning by the Jews and Jesus was present. As the Jews gathered up their rocks and stones Jesus said-
    “Let he who is without sin throw the first stone”.
    Needless to say the crowd of aggressors melted away.
    Unfortunately muslims use the Koran to rationalize their behvious and do believe they are without sin. The collective consience of Islam is sadly wanting and again a religion that does not embrace [email protected] Laws is sadly wanting.

  63. Walter Sieruk says:

    As for stoning a person to death for adultery, which in done in many Islamic countries because of the teachings of Islam. How brutal ,How cruel ,vicious and ruthless and well as heartless can those who engage in the doctrines of Islam be ? In great contrast this extremely callous Muslim mindset there is the forgiving and loving words of the teachings of Jesus. For example, the women who was accused of committing adultery when she was about to be stoned to death, Jesus said to her accusers “He that is without sin among you,let him first cast a stone at her.” John 8:7.[K.J.V.] The difference between Christianity and Islam is outstanding !

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