Islam and Christianity- A Pagan view-II

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  1. why? says:

    IF NDEs prove that jeebusianity is true, then there are NDEs which show the contrary s well.

    Jesus told me to convert to Islam – YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4tsHQFmR2s

    Do you believe in this Ron? If NO why not?

    This one video is enough to prove that all NDEs are nothing about hallucinations people have about one’s own deep unconscious convictions. You claim that many so called muslims, Hindus etc. have seen mamzer jeebus in NDEs…Really? Lets assume this is true. Even then it is simply hallucinations of people with deeply help unconscious convictions. Just because one thinks he is Hindu, or muslim he does not become one. His unconscious convictions may be in reality christianity. So they hallucinate these things.

    Why do pigmies or amazon tribal people who are not exposed to christian lies do not see this cartton character called mamzer jeebus? simple…because they do not know this imaginary character.

    NOTE:
    if this mamzer jeebus character were true and NDEs were true, there should be lots of NDEs recorded all through history in different cultures, where this mamzer jeebus appeared in NDEs all over the world and informed them that jeebus is God and that he appeared in some remote corner called Bethleham. But is there any such record in history over all world cutures about mamzer jeebus appearing in different cultures? OBVIOUSLY NO…If there is such a record all over history in different cultures (without having heard about gospels and mamzer jeebus), where mamzer jeebus appeared in NDEs, then we can reasonably assume that mamzer jeebus is a real entity.

    But since there is none in history (obviously NOT significant enough to mention in history), we can safely assume that the entire claim of NDEs and mamzer jeebus is mere modern phenomenon. Why so many occurrences in modern times? The obvious reason is many of these claims are promoted and advertised by christian missionaries to trap gullible idiots, like the one here namely ali sina.

    Here is another proof that a satire is advertised all over internet as a real NDE experience by many
    evangelist websites.

    Did an ISIS Beheader Convert to Christianity After His Near Death Experience?!

    http://madworldnews.com/isis-beheader-convert/

    Although a missing source is proof enough that the story is fabricated, the reporting news site isn’t a news site at all.

    World News Daily Report’s disclaimer reads:

    World News Daily Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways. All news articles contained within worldnewsdailyreport.com are fiction, and presumably fake news. Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, except for all references to politicians and/or celebrities, in which case they are based on real people, but still based almost entirely in fiction.

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    Now despite your so called evidences, LOGIC stands on its own strength.

    Why would an almighty GOd kill Himself in order to convince Himself to forgive His own creation? It does not take a “genius” to understand that this is very very STUPID belief. Since core belief of christianity is patently absurd, ridiculous and illogical, it cannot be considered as truth.

    Second, the entire idea of virgin birth with 9 months pregnancy is obviously created to fool public and create a supernatural image about mamzer jeebus and hide his adulterous birth. Two of the 4 gospels only mention his virgin birth, and they are are later gospels. These later gospels also mention that adulterous mary was 9 months pregnant and old joseph wanted to divorce her for adultery. Clearly, the entire story is contrived and imagined later. Only human sperm can make a woman 9 months pregnant. Why would God make make mamzer jeebus’ birth appear as adultery with 9 months pregnancy as if from human sperm? If it was really a miracle, this God could have made jeebus born in one day? That would have settled all doubts to those who have seen it as something very very extra-ordinary? Why would God not do such a thing to settle all doubts and instead make mamzer jeebus born through 9 months pregnancy? Why on Earth Joseph was not informed before hand by God about impending pregnancy? All these show that the entire “virgin birth” story is PURE LIES SPINNED by scoundrel church leaders of that time.

    Now the grad question is why would God be born through adulterous sexuall union with Mary as a mamzer?

    Logic stand on its own strength. Neither Ron nor any of the christian in the world, including adultery born mamzer jeebus can explain his birth. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT CHRISTIANITY AND MAMZER JEEBUS ARE DEMONIC FALSEHOODS SPREAD BY A DEMONS. NO MATTER HOW MUCH LIES CHRISTIANS SPREAD, IT IS STILL DEMONIC LIES ONLY.

  2. Ron says:

    NDE proves Christ is the way

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt9xodhZ5KI

    ▲[ (3.) NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES/HEAVEN & HELL TESTIMONIES ]▼ Near death experiences prove Christianity! We find testimonies of former atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, etc. claiming they died, went to the afterlife but were saved and brought back by Jesus Christ. There are countless testimonies just on YouTube alone and the people that ventured into the afterlife describe the Christian concept of life after death (heaven & hell). If NDE’s were open to interpretation, we would find testimonies of people saying that when they died, they met Allah or Muhammad or Buddha. But since we only find testimonies of people saying they were saved by Jesus, we have additional evidence that Christianity is the truth. When Muslims die, they don’t hallucinate about Allah and when Hindus die, they don’t hallucinate about reincarnation. What we see is the truth of Christianity being preached by those that died and came back.

    Here are some testimonies: https://goo.gl/tm4myD https://goo.gl/7RVhx1 https://goo.gl/PibnTY https://goo.gl/tghpA9 https://goo.gl/ket6gj

  3. why? says:

    You do not need any kind of deep analysis to see that christianity is pure bull crap. Only an idiot can believe that God would come to Earth and kill Himself in order forgive his own creation. It is beyond me how 2 billion idiots exist in this world. Ron posts as though this Ravi zacharias is some “genious”. I find his talk at the most boring and at the worst, christian apologetic bull shit.

  4. Ron says:

    Watch this short video of an Indian of Hindu ancestory explaining

  5. Face_The_Truth says:

    [Walter Sieruk wrote: In conclusion, Christianity is not really “built” on the clerics’ imagination who constructed the Nicene Creed, but on the Bible. Furthermore with the above instruction of the way to find DOCTRINAL TRUTH in Isaiah 8:20 and in the light of the Bible verse provided it may be clearly seen, BY ALL THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO SEE, that Islam is in terrible doctrinal error and it is therefore a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14;6.]

    Based on my readings, I find Christianity is a religion of falsehoods as the genocidal ideology of Islam is.

    Christian readers at FaithFreedom.Org website may like to read:

    Dr. Keith M. Parsons’ book “Why I am not a Christian”, Unknown Binding, 2000, and

    Daniel Edwin Barker’s book “Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist”, Freedom From Religion Foundation, Inc., May 1, 2006.

    LINK

    http://infidels.org/library/modern/keith_parsons/whynotchristian.html

    LINK

    http://www.i4m.com/think/bible/historical_jesus.htm

    “1. THE GOSPELS WERE WRITTEN BY UNKNOWN PERSONS.

    “Not only did Jesus himself write nothing, but the attribution of the gospels to his disciples did not occur until the late first century at the earliest.

    ‘Matthew: Written by an unknown Jewish Christian of the second generation, probably a resident of Antioch in Syria.

    ‘Mark: There is confusion in the traditional identification of the author…

    ‘Luke: Possibly written by a resident of Antioch and an occasional companion of the apostle Paul.

    ‘John: Composed and edited in stages by unknown followers of the apostle John, probably residents of Ephesus.’

    (Kingsbury, J.D., “The Gospel According To Matthew”, in Metzger and Coogan, eds., The Oxford Companion To The Bible [Oxford, England: Oxford University Press, 1993], pp. 502-506)

    2. THE DATES OF THE GOSPELS PRECLUDE THEM HAVING BEEN WRITTEN BY EYEWITNESSES.

    ‘…New Testament scholars agree fairly closely on a rather late date for the writing of the gospels…

    ‘Generations of New Testament scholarship have produced a very broad consensus that the gospels from around 70 to as late as the early second century.’

    3. THE GOSPELS ARE ROOTED IN UNRELIABLE ORAL TRADITIONS.

    ‘Written records of Jesus’s words or ministry were simply not needed or wanted until the end of the apostolic age with the martyrdom of Peter and Paul in 64.

    ‘The writing of the Gospels was a task for second-generation Christians.

    ‘The word-for-word similarities of the synoptic Gospels are very unlikely to be due to the verbatim recollection of the original eyewitness.

    ‘Oral traditions simply do not form that way.

    ‘Rather, those precise parallels are much more likely due to common use of written sources.

    ‘Hence, the synoptic Gospels are not independent eyewitness accounts but textually interdependent syntheses of earlier oral traditions.’

    4. THE GOSPELS ARE THEOLOGICALLY BIASED WITH AN APOLOGETIC AGENDA.

    ‘The Gospels… can no longer be read as direct accounts of what happened, but rather as vehicles for proclamation. Such was their original intention.’

    (Reginald H. Fuller, The Formation of the Resurrection Narratives [New York, New York: The Macmillan Company,1971] p. 172)

    5. THE GOSPELS CONTAIN FICTIONAL FORMS.

    “The gospels are clearly not biography in the modern sense…

    ‘Christians have never been reluctant to write fiction about Jesus, and we must remember that our four canonical Gospels are only the cream of a larger and varied literature.’

    (Helms, R., Gospel Fictions [Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books, 1988], pp. 11-12)

    6. THE GOSPELS ARE INCONSISTENT WITH EACH OTHER.

    ‘A careful study of the four Gospels in comparison with each other will show that there is little agreement among the Gospel writers as to the order in which Jesus said and did what is reported of him.

    ‘A striking discrepancy concerns the accounts in the synoptics of Jesus’s resurrection appearances to his disciples.

    ‘There is inconsistency between Matthew’s and Luke’s genealogies of Jesus.’

    7. THE GOSPELS ARE INCONSISTENT WITH KNOWN FACTS.

    ‘Luke’s nativity story is demonstrably false…

    ‘The Roman census would not have affected Nazareth in any case, as Galilee was not under Roman rule, but had its own ruler, the ‘tetrach’ Herod Antipas, son of King Herod.’

    (Arnheim, M., Is Christianity True? [Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books, 1984], pp. 10-11)

    8. THERE IS NO INDEPENDENT SUPPORT OF GOSPEL CLAIMS.

    ‘Pagan sources DO NOT confirm the resurrection.

    ‘There is good reason to suppose that a well-known passage from Tacitus was written nearly ninety years after the alleged death of Jesus and was based not on historical research, but on information provided by Christians of the second century.

    ‘Other pagan writers such as Suetonius and Pliny the Younger provide NO support for the Resurrection of Jesus since they make NO mention of it.

    ‘Thallus, in a work now lost, but referred to by Africanus in the third century, is alleged to have said that Jesus’ death was accompanied by an earthquake and an unusual darkness that he, Thallus, according to Africanus, wrongly attributed to an eclipse of the sun.

    ‘However, it is unclear when Thallus wrote his history or how reliable Africanus’s account of Thallus is.

    ‘Some scholars believe that Thallus wrote as late as the second century and consequently could have obtained his ideas from Christian opinion of his time.’

    (Martin, M., The Case Against Christianity [Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: Temple University Press, 1991], p. 86)

    ‘Non-Christian evidence is too late to give any independent support to the Gospels.’

    ‘Rabbinic references to Jesus are entirely dependent on Christian claims, as both Christian and Jewish scholars have conceded.’

    (Wells, G.A., Who Was Jesus? [La Salle, Illinois: Open Court, 1989], pl. 20)

    9. THE GOSPELS TESTIFY TO MATTERS BEYOND BELIEF.

    ‘The Gospels are full of miraculous tales that, in any other context, would be taken to completely destroy the author’s credibility.

    ‘What would we think of an alleged witness who swears that he saw Ms. Smith commit the murder and then abscond quickly on her broomstick?

    ‘Why not regard reports of walking on water or raising the dead in the same light?

    ‘Religious people often employ a curious double-think here that permits them to treat reverently stories that, encountered anywhere else, would get very short shrift.’

    (Parsons, “Why I am not a Christian”, Unknown Binding, 2000, pp. 43-70)”

  6. Richard says:

    Not all Christians believe in “eternal condemnation for non-believers”. St Isaac the Syrian, who is recognised as a saint by all Christian churches that recognise saints – certainly had a different take. on this issue.

    “The idea of love contradicts the idea of requital, Isaac insists. Besides, if we are to suppose that God will punish sinners eternally, this would mean that the creation of the world was a mistake, as God proved to be unable to oppose evil, which is not within His will. If we ascribe requital to God’s actions, we apply weakness to God.In fact, all of God’s actions are mysteries that are inaccessible to human reasoning. Gehenna is also a mystery, created in order to bring to a state of perfection those who had not reached it during their lifetime:”

  7. Walter Sieruk says:

    To reply to the person who has the title of Face_ The _Truth,First, Christianity is not really all based on .the Nicene Creed. For if the Nicene Creed was just a fictional conception made by men and whole foundation for Christianity is based in that Creed, then is stands to reason the Christianity would be a hoax. What the clerics who constructed that Creed did was an attempt to clarify for the scriptures they had an Official Statement in a brief way what they felt was the essence of Christianity. For example point number two about Jesus being “the Son of God ,begotten of the Father…” This was not made up by those clerics but based on the Bible. Second, as this essay shows and also refutes the false claims made by the imams and mullahs of Islam about the nature of Jesus . The way for a person to discover the truth concerning the nature of Jesus is found in the Bible verse Isaiah 8:20. This instructs “To the law of the testimony. If they do not speak according to the word, it is because there is no light in them.” [N.K.J.V.] In other words, if a religious teacher has teaching that are in contradiction to the Word, the Bible, then that teachers is a false teacher who teaches false doctrines. The Muslim clerics, as the imam and mullahs, teach and speak doctrines about God from the Quran .
    As the Quran in 112 teaches “He is God alone: God is the eternal begetteth not…” Likewise, this religious book which is the entire foundation of and for Islam further teaches in 19:35. “It is not befitting to God that He should beget a son.” In great contrast the Bible teaches in John 1:14. “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory , the glory of the only begotten of the Father ,full of grace and truth.” Likewise John 3:16 teaches “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son… Then just a little further in verse 18 it is written about Jesus Who is “the only begotten Son of God. “ Other places in the Bible further teach that Jesus is the Son of God as in Matthew 16:15:16. Luke 1:35. John 3:36. First John 4:14. 15. 5:14,15. Moreover to be even more clear the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Who is God the Father. As found in Matthew 3:16,17. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. Of course , it ,very much, needs to made even more specific . The Bible teaches that Jesus is also God the Son. As seen in Hebrew1:8 and First John 5:20. The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain” this all away. As in they will try brush off all those Bible verse off by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted, through time, by Christians and that’s why the Bible reads as it does. That claim they make actually underestimate the Power of God to protect and keep His Word safe and intact ,through time, and away from the corruption of men.

    In conclusion ,Christianity is not really “built” on the clerics imagination who constructed the Nicene Creed but on the Bible. Furthermore with the above instruction of the way to find doctrinal truth in Isaiah 8:20 and in the light of the Bible verse provided it may be clearly seen, by all those who are willing to see, that Islam is in terrible doctrinal error and it is therefore a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14;6.

  8. Face_The_Truth says:

    Christianity was(is) built on fictitious doctrinal beliefs called “Nicene Creed”, which requires every follower to blindly believe in falsehoods and, as such, Christians CANNOT stop constantly lying in order to support one falsehood after another as the following statements of “Nicene Creed” show.

    “(1) We believe in One God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.

    (2) And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father — the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

    (3) By whom all things were made both in heaven and on earth;

    (4) Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;

    (5) He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;

    (6) From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

    (7) And in the Holy Ghost.

    (8) But those who say: ‘There was a time when he was not;’ and ‘He was not before he was made;’ and ‘He was made out of nothing,’ or ‘He is of another substance’ or ‘essence,’ or ‘The Son of God is created,’ or ‘changeable,’ or ‘alterable’ —
    THEY ARE CONDEMNED BY THE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.”

    So, as it is quite obvious, Christians cannot survive without falsehoods and blatant lies as well as eternal condemnation for non-believers.

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