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Hegel’s Dialectic and the Trump Problem – Faithfreedom.org

Hegel’s Dialectic and the Trump Problem

Ali Sina

Ali Sina is the author of Understanding Muhammad and Muslims.

81 Responses

  1. Phoenix says:

    @Steve

    I was not going to respond because, per usual, you provide no new data for analysis, except straw man attacks against Christianity, false dichotomies (either Creationism or Evolution) and misinformation but no factual arguments. However, new information has come to light regarding your link about the evolution of the eye.

    But first, you said:
    //Mutation is random yes but environment is not.//

    False, the time of the mutation’s occurence is random thus implicating the mutants’ environment as random too.

    //Why it does not adhere to physics? Evolution is not magic – unlike a God man creating things from nothing.//

    Yes, it predicts everything and there is no evidence which could falsify it.

    //Really and what is the probability of this (since you like to talk about probability)? Of different animals on the same branch being infected at the same place at the same time whilst other animals, not on the same branch, don’t. That is your thesis. It appears to be ridiculously improbable.//

    The onus is on you to demonstrate empirically how retroviral infections in simians and humans equal common descent. I will then take the liberty of scrutinizing your data to see if it fits the criterion for scientific evidence.

    //This would follow from the creationists reasoning yes about the so called fine tuning for life,//

    Straw man, I made no claim about fine-tuning. My beef is with the lack of experimental tests for Evolution.

    // Yes we can. Have you bothered to find out what a intermediate fossil is yet to take one example?//

    You should just present your evidence rather than wait for me to flesh it out.

    //Just like evolution does. We take the data we have and use it to reconstruct the past. This is science.//

    Just like evolution huh? In forensic evidence they have witness testimony, surveillance footage , blood test, DNA, etc to corroborate past events. You don’t have squat for evolution.

    //So it seems satan is trying to hide evidence of the creator by planting all this evidence to make it seem like Common descent is true when in fact it’s not.//

    You may be projecting your own failures regarding Evolution. You insist there is evidence for it but hide it. You give links which hint at experimental evidence but on closer inspection, there’s none.

    Now for you link:
    //Why would a beneficial mutation be destroyed? Lethal mutations will die out . The eye for for example is believed to have started out as just a patch that was capable of detecting light. See http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/selection/eye///

    //Researchers at Lund University wanted to find out how long it might take for a complex eye to evolve. Starting with a flat, light-sensitive patch, they gradually made over 1,800 tiny improvements—forming a cup, constricting the opening, adding a lens—until they had a complex, image-forming eye. It is important to note that every tiny change these researchers made measurably improved image quality. The researchers concluded that these steps could have taken place in about 360,000 generations, or just a few hundred thousand years. 550 million years have passed since the formation of the oldest fossil eyes, enough time for complex eyes to have evolved more than 1,500 times//

    Here is the source for Eye Evolution

    Notice that your initial link implied an actual experiment under laboratory conditions producing an eye in the lab after 1800 stages/steps but the actual source only presents mathematical formulas and calculations but no actual tests done on any living being (person or animal), no data taken from any living being.

    Again, if you have any REAL data and studies done then present it.

  2. Face_The_Truth says:

    A matter of clarification to all readers at FaithFreedom.Org website:

    I often use the word “Muslim bastards” and many readers wonder WHY I do NOT use words like “‘Hindu’ bastards” or “Jewish bastards” or “Buddhist bastards”.

    My answer is simple: From the time of Islam’s founder, when marauding Muslim invaders conquered a non-Muslims’ land, Muslim invaders murdered all non-Muslim males of ARMS-BEARING AGE and enslaved all non-Muslim females for sexual exploitation whether that sexual exploitation be the direct SEXUAL SLAVERY by selling captured non-Muslim females in the Islamic slave-markets or by FORCED MARRIAGES to Muslim invaders and collaborators of the Islamic military invasions throughout our known history.

    And, out of the outright SEXUAL SLAVERY and SYSTEMATIC RAPE and FORCED MARRIAGES, the born new generation(s) of Muslims are pure BASTARDS who carry the DNA of marauding Muslim invaders and who neither have any appreciation nor show any intrinsic ability to understand what were done to their biological non-Muslim mothers who were the VICTIMS of sexual slavery or systematic rape or forced marriages in the distant or not so distant past by marauding Muslim invaders who followed the path of Islam’s founder Muhammad ibn Abd’Allah.

    So, as all of you can see, today’s Muslims are generational bastards and it becomes extremely difficult to argue any logical conclusion based on historical evidences with any Muslim bastard anyone of you will ever meet.

  3. Steve says:

    Phoenix

    “when it is Evolution which must be proven first.” Evolution is proven.

    “It is mutation first which is ALWAYS random, then secondarily followed by natural selection.” Mutation is random yes but environment is not.

    “even though it cannot be proven and does not adhere to the laws of physics.” Why it does not adhere to physics? Evolution is not magic – unlike a God man creating things from nothing.

    “They permit 200 generations for each minute but subsequent mutation to take place. How do they know that??? Here’s how: They made that up, period. Neither do they calculate any probability of loss due to sluggish mutations. The odds of that occuring is none.” ” No they didn’t make it up see this which explains to you what population genetics is.
    http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/genetics/vgec/schoolscolleges/topics/population-genetics

    “Genetic variation within populations and species can now be analysed at the level of nucleotide sequences in DNA (genome analysis) and the amino acid sequences of proteins (proteome analysis). The genetic differences between species can be used to infer evolutionary history, on the basis that the closest relatives will have gene pools that are most similar. Recent advances in the sequencing of genomes, allied to computer-based techniques for storing and comparing this information, have led to the construction of detailed evolutionary trees. The use of molecular clocks – nucleotide sequences (or amino acid sequences) in which evolutionary change accumulates at a constant rate – allows dates to be attached to the points at which populations start to diverge to form new species. These approaches are also proving useful in other useful areas (for example, in tracing the transmission routes of infectious diseases”

    “So according to your reasoning then, EVERYTHING that occurs and exists does so under incredible improbability, nay, it’s miraculous or even impossible. The impossible occurs constantly, therefore nothing is impossible and everything is probable.
    Perhaps some probability calculations are in order here or else your argument fails Reductio ad Absurdum and thus logically absurd.” This would follow from the creationists reasoning yes about the so called fine tuning for life, the emergence of life on this planet and the evolution. If we apply their reasoning then your existence is miraculous – just considering the factor of the specific sperm and egg combination – which is trillion and trillions to one. So if you can see why this reasoning is nonsense why are you using it?

    “First, in O.J’s case there were actual material remnants to analyze and witness testimony., we can’t say the same for evolution.” Yes we can. Have you bothered to find out what a intermediate fossil is yet to take one example?

    “Second, Retrovirus infections are not evidence for commmon descent but only proves that species’ were infected during the the same period.” Really and what is the probability of this (since you like to talk about probability)? Of different animals on the same branch being infected at the same place at the same time whilst other animals, not on the same branch, don’t. That is your thesis. It appears to be ridiculously improbable.

    “Evolution is not forensic science. That’s a false association. Forensics are always based on observations of effects with known causes.” Just like evolution does. We take the data we have and use it to reconstruct the past. This is science.

    “Fine, you can attack satan and I’ll ask for evidence for evolution” I have already shown you the evidence and also shown why claiming other explanations – such as your claim that species was infected with the same virus at the time, and the more related they are the more viruses they share while other less related species for some reason was not infected – is utter baloney. So it seems satan is trying to hide evidence of the creator by planting all this evidence to make it seem like Common descent is true when in fact it’s not.

  4. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER”:

    Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER says: “Hindu Gods promote incest, and racism. (proof with references from Hindu Scriptures and Vedas)

    All humans have sinned (except Jesus).”

    Face_The_Truth says:

    See…Christian ideology promotes mental disorder — just look at Ron the Christian MotherFu**er!!!

    So, I will NOT waste my valuable time in writing replies about “Hindu” religion to a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself; because, it is useless.

    STOP WORSHIPING A DEAD JEW ON THE CROSS, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERFU**ER.

    A living-breathing Jew might not give out anything to anyone; therefore, your high expectation from a dead Jew on the Cross is beyond the pale.

    You better STOP worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross especially when you Christian MotherFU**ERS murdered millions of Jews in Europe 75 years ago.

    IN ORDER TO CONVERT GULLIBLE “HINDUS” OF INDIA, DO NOT PRETEND THAT CHRISTIANITY IS AN IDEOLOGY OF PEACE AND LOVE WHEN CHRISTIANITY IS INHERENTLY NOT.

    Ask any Jew you meet today and s/he might tell you that a dead Jew on the Cross is not a Messiah.

    On the one hand, only in your delusional head, a dead jew on the cross appears as your god.

    On the other hand, it is useless and total waste of my time to explain what “5 heads” or “10 hands” of a statue of a “Hindu” God or Goddess symbolize.

    “Hinduism” is far more superior and far too ancient an ideology to grasp for a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself.

    So, some would say, Christian MotherFU**ERS like yourself are probably better off worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross!!!

    Way before a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself, many invaders came to Indian subcontinent — both Christians and Muslims — and tried to efface “Hinduism” from the hearts and minds of “Hindus”, but failed miserably.

    And, a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself WILL FAIL too.

  5. Ron says:

    Hindu Gods promote incest, and racism. (proof with references from Hindu Scriptures and Vedas)

    All humans have sinned (except Jesus).

    The clergy of every religion have sinned but Gods are supposed to be pure and sinless.
    So it is no point in showing an imam or priest or hindu guru sinning but it bad when god whom you worship is sinning as seen in Hindu Vedas

    Brahma had incest with his own daughter, an act that is perfectly legal in Vedic law: “Brahma is one of the 3 main gods – Trimurti – of the Hindu pantheon. He is the creator of the universe. Sarasvati, who became the wife of her own father, was the daughter of Brahma.
    There are 2 stories about her genesis in the `Sarasvati Purana’. One is that Brahma created his beautiful daughter Saraswati direct from his `vital strength’ or seminal fluid. The other is that Brahma used to collect his semen in a pot whenever he masturbated fixing his carnal eyes on the celestial beauty Urvasi. Brahma’s semen in the pot gave birth to the sage Agastya, and Agastya in turn gave birth to Saraswati. Thus, Saraswati had no mother.”

    This daughter or grand-daughter of Brahma is the Hindu goddess of learning. When Brahma saw the beauty of Saraswati he became amorous. To escape from her father’s passionate approach Saraswati ran to the lands in all four directions, but she could not escape from her father. She succumbed to Brahma’s wish. Brahma and his daughter Saraswati lived as husband and wife indulging in incest for 100 years. They had a son Swayambhumaru and a daughter Satarupa.
    Through the incest of Brahma’s son and daughter Brahma got two grandsons and two grand-daughters.” (Kovoor, p.76) The legend is given in the following `sacred’ Vedic texts (Spellman, p.28): Aitareya Brahmana.III.33 Satapatha Brahmana.I.7.4.1ff; XIV, 4.2.1ff; Matsya Purana.III.32 ff; Bhagavata Purana.III.12. 28ff.Justification of Incest

    In all these `holy’ scriptures, this act of unrestrained incest is justified and upheld as a legal act!” Brahma followed Savitri [ Sarasvati], married her, and they lived together in a lotus for one hundred years. The Purana [ Matsya] then points out that no question arises regarding prohibited acts of the gods since they do not reap the fruits of their karma (actions) as do mortals.
    A further justification of Brahma’s action is given by noting that Brahma is the lord of the Vedas and Savitri is the goddess of the Vedas. They therefore are inseparable, and to unite the Vedas with the sacred prayer can surely be no evil.” (Spellman, p.30) However, the Vedas, which carry far more authority than the Puranic and Brahmanic texts cited above, enjoin this practice.
    Incest, far from being a `corruption’ introduced after the Vedic Dark Ages, was thus a common practice during that age of barbarism and illiteracy, and is a Hindu institution perfectly sanctioned in the Vedas.

    Vedic Sanction of Incest One of the most irrefutable facts proving that Hinduism is evil right at its very foundation is the fact that the Vedas justify the beastly act of incest as a `sacred act’. This was no doubt an outcome of the strict practice of `brahmacharya’ which produced hordes of sexually starved psychopathic sadhus.

    It is these mad sadhu Brahmins, the authors of the concocted Vedas, who justified and legalized incest. Indeed, the Vedas enjoin incest as a kind of marriage. This fact was utilized by Brahma when convincing his daughter Sarasvati (also known as Padma) to succumb to his unlimited lust:” 8. On seeing his beautiful daughter Padma, Brahma was sexually excited. He wooed his daughter and wanted to copulate with her. How could a daughter give consent to her own father? Padma refused. Brahma could not give up his desire. He began to quote the Vedas to convince her that there was nothing wrong in having sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving birth to a child. ”– (Puran)

    This is the Vedic verse in Sanskrit which justifies incest and which was quoted by Brahma: “Mathara Mupathya, susara Mupatithe, Puthrartheetha. Sagamarthi, Napathra loka, nastheethath. Saravam paravo vindu ha, dasmath Puthrar tham. Matharam suransathee Rehathee”- (Veda, cited in Puran) Translated this verse means” For the sake of a child one can enjoy his own sister or daughter, without any sin attached to it. ” (Puran) There are other abundant examples of incest from the Vedic age. These prove that the Vedic Aryans regularly practiced incest of the father-daughter type and the brother-sister type (Sita). Moreover, the Vedas fully legalize this abominable practice.

    These evil practices continued right throughout the Brahmanic Dark Ages of 2599 years (1500 BC – 1000 AD). Thus, for example, Rama married his sister Sita when she was still only 6 years old (Sitaram). Brahma’s Bestiality with a Bear Brahma, the main god of the Vedic religion, was so lecherous that he was not satisfied with his own daughter. In fact, feelings of lust crept up when he saw even females of animal species! He was so frustrated that he copulated with a bear:” 11. Brahma started roaming about in forests. He happened to see a female bear in a bush. Brahma would not leave it. He went straight to the bear. The female bear yielded to Brahma’s lust. God Brahma enjoyed the bear, and a human being with the head of a bear was born. He was called Jambu Vandan, the son of Brahma. (Puran)–

  6. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER”:

    Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER says: “HIndu Guru says on twitter Krishna and Shiva engaged in homosexual acts to produce another supergod…

    Homosexuality has never been considered a crime in Hindu culture.”

    Face_The_Truth says:

    See…a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself — whose Church is filled with pedophiles and homosexuals as well as whose Church openly ordains homosexual priests — now complains about “Hindu” mythological stories about “Hindu” Gods and Goddesses!!!

    So, I will NOT waste my valuable time in writing replies about “Hindu” religion to a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself; because, it is useless.

    STOP WORSHIPING A DEAD JEW ON THE CROSS, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERFU**ER.

    A living-breathing Jew might not give out anything to anyone; therefore, your high expectation from a dead Jew on the Cross is beyond the pale.

    You better STOP worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross especially when you Christian MotherFU**ERS murdered millions of Jews in Europe 75 years ago.

    IN ORDER TO CONVERT GULLIBLE “HINDUS” OF INDIA, DO NOT PRETEND THAT CHRISTIANITY IS AN IDEOLOGY OF PEACE AND LOVE WHEN CHRISTIANITY IS INHERENTLY NOT.

    Ask any Jew you meet today and s/he might tell you that a dead Jew on the Cross is not a Messiah.

    On the one hand, only in your delusional head, a dead jew on the cross appears as your god.

    On the other hand, it is useless and total waste of my time to explain what “5 heads” or “10 hands” of a statue of a “Hindu” God or Goddess symbolize.

    “Hinduism” is far more superior and far too ancient an ideology to grasp for a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself.

    So, some would say, Christian MotherFU**ERS like yourself are probably better off worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross!!!

    Way before a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself, many invaders came to Indian subcontinent — both Christians and Muslims — and tried to efface “Hinduism” from the hearts and minds of “Hindus”, but failed miserably.

    And, a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself WILL FAIL too.

  7. Ron says:

    HIndu Guru says on twitter Krishna and Shiva engaged in homosexual acts to produce another supergod

    https://twitter.com/srisri/status/410810667176697856?lang=en
    Sri Sri Ravi Shankar says

    Homosexuality has never been considered a crime in Hindu culture. In fact, Lord Ayyappa was born of Hari-Hara (Vishnu & Shiva). #Sec377

  8. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER”:

    Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER says: “Krishna does homosexual act with Shiva. … KRISHNA doing ADULTERY, INCEST as mentioned in Hindu Scriptures and Gita.”

    Face_The_Truth says:

    See…a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself — who believes that a Jewish girl can be pregnant without having sexual intercourse with her man — tries to explain (or fails to understand) Purushottama Shri Krishna to the world.

    So, I will NOT waste my valuable time in writing replies about “Hindu” religion to a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself; because, it is useless.

    STOP WORSHIPING A DEAD JEW ON THE CROSS, YOU CHRISTIAN MOTHERFU**ER.

    A living-breathing Jew might not give out anything to anyone; so, your high expectation from a dead Jew on the Cross is beyond the pale.

    You better STOP worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross especially when you Christian MotherFU**ERS murdered millions of Jews in Europe 75 years ago.

    IN ORDER TO CONVERT GULLIBLE “HINDUS” OF INDIA, DO NOT PRETEND THAT CHRISTIANITY IS AN IDEOLOGY OF PEACE AND LOVE WHEN CHRISTIANITY IS INHERENTLY NOT.

    Ask any Jew you meet today and s/he might tell you that a dead Jew on the Cross is not a Messiah.

    On the one hand, only in your delusional head, a dead jew on the cross appears as your god.

    On the other hand, it is useless and total waste of my time to explain what “5 heads” or “10 hands” of a statue of a “Hindu” God or Goddess symbolize.

    “Hinduism” is far more superior and far too ancient an ideology to grasp for a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself.

    So, some would say, Christian MotherFU**ERS like yourself are probably better off worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross!!!

    Way before a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself, many invaders came to Indian subcontinent — both Christians and Muslims — and tried to efface “Hinduism” from the hearts and minds of “Hindus”, but failed miserably.

    And, a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself WILL FAIL too.

  9. Ron says:

    Face_The _Truth

    Krishna does homosexual act with Shiva

    Sabarimalai Sastha or Ayyapa is a sylvan god worshipped by the credulous Hindus of Kerala and Tamil Nadu in India. He is the son born to Siva and Vishnu as a result of a homosexual act.

    To escape from the curse of the powerful demon Durwasa, all the gods joined together and churned the milky ocean to gather “Amrut”-a butter-like ambrosia. They collected the “Amrut” in a pot, and kept it to be served at a heavenly feast. An Asura (demon) from the nether world stole the pot of ” Amrut from Develoka. When the loss of the ambrosia was detected, the omniscient Vishnu was able to know where it was. He went to the nether world in the guise of Mohini, a woman of exquisite beauty, and brought and back the “Amrut” and served it to the gods. When Mohini was serving the Amrut, Shiva got intoxicated with her beauty and had sexual intercourse with her, who was in reality Vishnu. Vishnu became pregnant as a result of the homosexual act, and gave birth to Sastha from his thigh. Both Shiva and Vishnu discarded this un-naturally born illegitimate child in the forests of Sabarimalai in Kerala.

    https://hinduismkisachai.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/hindu-gods-exposed/

  10. Ron says:

    FACE_THE _TRUTH

    KRISHNA doing ADULTERY, INCEST as mentioned in Hindu Scriptures and Gita,

    Lord krishna was very fond of looking at naked young girls. Once upon a time Krishna, in order to get a full view of some bathing virgin girls, went to the extent of hiding their clothes on the tree top just to get a panoramic view. Does he have divine immunity from looking at naked women?

    The Gita, a Holy book of the Hindus, quotes that when these bathing low caste girls begged for the return of their clothes, Lord Krishna demanded that they come out of the water with their hands raised instead of covering their bodies.

    Oh my innocent Hindu brethren! Can this action be attributed to god? Is this God capable of indulging in such ungodly acts? Will Hindu mothers tolerate their son imitating god Krishna??

    We have been venerating krishna as our god. But with his actions he looks more of a womanizer than godly.

    LORD KRSNA SEDUCES THE GOPIS
    gopis: cow-herd girls; milk-maids; village girls; or better known as Lord Krsna’s girlfriends.

    “In the first month of winter, the gopis of Nanda’s village performed a certain vow to the goddess Katyayani (Durga). They ate rice cooked with ghee; they bathed in the water of the Kalindi (Yamuna) River at sunrise; they made an image of the goddess out of sand and worshipped it with fragrant perfumes and garlands, with offerings and incense and lamps, and with bouquets of flowers, fresh sprigs of leaves, fruits, and rice. And they prayed: ‘Goddess Katyayani (Durga), great mistress of yoga, empress of great deluding magic, make the son of the cow-herd Nanda my husband. I bow to you.’ Saying this prayer, the girls would worship her, and having set their hearts on Krsna, the girls performed this vow for a month; they worshipped Bhadrakali (Durga) so that the son of Nanda (Krsna) would be their husband. Arising at dawn, calling one another by name, they would join hands and go to bathe in the Kalindi (Yamuna) every day, singing loudly about Krsna as they went.

    One day, when they had gone to the river and taken off their clothes on the bank as usual, they were playing joyfully in the water, singing about Krsna. The Lord Krsna, lord of all the masters of yoga, came there with his friends of the same age in order to grant them the object of their rites. He took their clothes and quickly climbed a Nipa tree, and laughing with the laughing boys he told what the joke was: ‘Girls, let each one of you come here and take her own clothes as she wishes. I promise you, this is no jest, for you have been exhausted by your vows.

    I have never before told an untruth, and these boys know this. Slender-waisted ones, come one by one or all together and take your clothes.’ When the gopis saw what his game was, they were overwhelmed with love, but they looked at one another in shame, and they smiled, but they did not come out. Flustered and embarrassed by Govinda’s (Krsna’s) words and by his jest, they sank down up to their necks in the icy water, and, shivering, they said to him, ‘You should not have played such a wicked trick. We know you as our beloved, son of the cow-herd Nanda, the pride of the village. Give us our clothes, for we are trembling. O darkly handsome one, we are your slaves and will do as you command, but you know dharma: give us our clothes or we will tell your father, the chieftain.’

    The Hindu lord said to them, ‘If you are my slaves and will do as I command, then come here and take back your clothes, O brightly smiling ones.’ Then all the girls, shivering and smarting with cold, came out of the water, covering their crotches with their hands. The lord was pleased and gratified by their chaste actions, and he looked at them and placed their clothes on his shoulder and smiled and said, ‘Since you swam in the water without clothes while you were under a vow, this was an insult to the divinity (to Varuna, God of the waters). Therefore you must fold your hands and place them on your heads and bow low in expiation of your sin, and then you may take your clothes.’ When the village girls (gopis) heard what the infallible one said, they thought that bathing naked had been a violation of their vows, and they bowed down to Krsna, the very embodiment of all their rituals, who had thus fulfilled their desires and wiped out their disgrace and sin.

    Then the lord, the son of Devaki, gave their clothes to them, for he felt pity when he saw them bowed down in this way and he was satisfied with them. Though they were greatly deceived and robbed of their modesty, though they were mocked and treated like toys and stripped of their clothes, yet they held no grudge against him, for they were happy to be together with their beloved. Rejoicing in the closeness of their lover, they put on their clothes; their bashful glances, in the thrall of their hearts, did not move from him. Knowing that the girls had taken a vow because they desired to touch his feet, the lord with a rope around his waist said to the girls, ‘Good ladies, I know that your desire is to worship me. I rejoice in this vow, which deserves to be fulfilled. The desire of those whose hearts have been placed in me does not give rise to further desire, just as seed corn that has been boiled or fried does not give rise to seed. You have achieved your aim. Now, girls, go back to the village and you will enjoy your nights with me, for it was for this that you fine ladies undertook your vow and worship.’

    When the gopis heard this from Krsna, they had obtained what they desired; and, meditating upon his lotus feet, they forced themselves to go away from him to the village.” — Srimad Bhagavatam 10:22:1-28. Compare: Brahmavaivarta Purana 1:27; Brhaddharma Purana 3:17.

  11. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER”:

    Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER says: “They say the person who uses expletives usually has been a victim or perpetrator of the expletives. So please stop incest practice. You probably learnt about this dirty practice from the Vedas where Hindu gods have done it . But it is very immoral. … May you find peace in Christ.”

    Face_The_Truth says:

    They say that a follower of Jesus Fu**ing Christ who converts “Hindus” into Christianity is a Christian MotherFU**ER.

    Hope you find peace with Bhagwan Shri Krishna someday and give up converting others into your own tormented and demented ideology; because, converting financially poor “Hindus” by giving “free milk” is immoral, if not outright criminal.

    STOP WORSHIPING A DEAD JEW ON THE CROSS.

    A living-breathing Jew might not give out anything to anyone; so, your high expectation from a dead Jew on the Cross is beyond the pale.

    You better STOP worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross especially when you Christian MotherFU**ERS murdered millions of Jews in Europe 75 years ago.

    IN ORDER TO CONVERT GULLIBLE “HINDUS” OF INDIA, DO NOT PRETEND THAT CHRISTIANITY IS AN IDEOLOGY OF PEACE AND LOVE WHEN CHRISTIANITY IS INHERENTLY NOT.

    Ask any Jew you meet today and s/he might tell you that a dead Jew on the Cross is not a Messiah.

    On the one hand, only in your delusional head, a dead jew on the cross appears as your god.

    On the other hand, it is useless and total waste of my time to explain what “5 heads” or “10 hands” of a statue of a “Hindu” God or Goddess symbolize.

    “Hinduism” is far more superior and far too ancient an ideology to grasp for a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself.

    So, some would say, Christian MotherFU**ERS like yourself are probably better off worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross!!!

    Way before a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself, many invaders came to Indian subcontinent — both Christians and Muslims — and tried to efface “Hinduism” from the hearts and minds of “Hindus”, but failed miserably.

    And, a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself WILL FAIL too.

  12. Phoenix says:

    //Why do mean you by “explanation”? Saying its evolved is an explanation. And no natural selection is the opposite of random.//

    Because claiming “evolution” as an explanation is question begging, when it is Evolution which must be proven first. And you have a basic misunderstanding of what Evolution entails. It is mutation first which is ALWAYS random, then secondarily followed by natural selection.

    //Why would a beneficial mutation be destroyed? Lethal mutations will die out .//

    A benign mutation will most certainly be followed by a sluggish mutation, resulting in both being selected. The odds that a benign mutation will survive sequential lethal mutations are practically non-existent.

    //The eye for for example is believed to have started out as just a patch that was capable of detecting light. See http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/selection/eye//

    And the keyword here is “believed”, in other words “it tells a better story” even though it cannot be proven and does not adhere to the laws of physics.

    Forthermore, your link reeks of Materialist Intelligent Design. Here is the conclusion of the researchers which you conveniently excluded.

    ”The researchers concluded that these steps could have taken place in about 360,000 generations, or just a few hundred thousand years. 550 million years have passed since the formation of the oldest fossil eyes, enough time for complex eyes to have evolved more than 1,500 times.”

    They permit 200 generations for each minute but subsequent mutation to take place. How do they know that??? Here’s how: They made that up, period. Neither do they calculate any probability of loss due to sluggish mutations. The odds of that occuring is none.

    // It’s incredible – miraculously you could even say – improbable when you consider all the events and conditions involved. For example only one egg and one sperm – out of millions and Billions – of potential ones – came to be me. And this is just ONE FACTOR out of millions (that we know about) that is needed for this message to exist. So according to this persons absurd reasoning this message is an impossibility – despite the fact that I and this message exists.//

    So according to your reasoning then, EVERYTHING that occurs and exists does so under incredible improbability, nay, it’s miraculous or even impossible. The impossible occurs constantly, therefore nothing is impossible and everything is probable.
    Perhaps some probability calculations are in order here or else your argument fails Reductio ad Absurdum and thus logically absurd.

    “Like the explanation for why OJ’s blood was found at the crime scene is that he killed them. This is the only explanation that makes any sense and according to the blood evidence alone the chances of him being innocent are 1 in 57 billion. Just like the only explanation for why all life uses the same code is that they all share a common ancestor. Or why different species have the same retro virus’s is because they they share a common ancestor. And the chances that species have the same retro virus or that all species would use the same code – without a heritable mechanism- is ridiculously higher than 57 billion. ”

    First, in O.J’s case there were actual material remnants to analyze and witness testimony., we can’t say the same for evolution.
    Second, Retrovirus infections are not evidence for commmon descent but only proves that species’ were infected during the the same period.

    //Forensic evidence in courts should be thrown out then according to your reasoning since it just “tells a better story”. Not buying it, your “evolution skepticism” doesn’t have a leg to stand so far as I am concerned.//

    Evolution is not forensic science. That’s a false association. Forensics are always based on observations of effects with known causes.

    //You haven’t got any facts. I have provided facts and your only response was “it tells a better story”. The reason I say creationist is because every one of your “arguments” is copied and pasted from creationist websites – and creationists are the furthest thing possible from being skeptics.//

    Fine, you can attack satan and I’ll ask for evidence for evolution.

  13. Ron says:

    Face_The_Truth

    They say the person who uses expletives usually has been a victim or perpetrator of the expletives.
    So please stop incest practice. You probably learnt about this dirty practice from the Vedas where Hindu gods have done it . But it is very immoral.

    INCEST IN VEDAS
    Leave aside brother sister relationship, Vedas even promote Son-Mother incest,
    Rig Veda 6.55.5 ”I glorify Pushan, the husband of his mother:may the gallant of his sister hear us ; may the brother of Indra be our friend.” Tr. Wilson

    As we have already seen, it talks about a human lover (Nirukta 3.16). Vedas speak of brother sister’s incest in several hymns including the Rig Veda 10.10 and Atharva Veda 18.1.8 which is a dialogue between Yama and Yami. But I find no reference of Ishwar prohibiting it. Veda also allows incest between father and daughter, it is mentioned in Rig Veda

    Rig Veda 10.61.5,7 (Rudra), the benefactor of man, whose eager virile energy was developed, drew it back when disseminated (for the generation of offspring)again the irresistible (Rudra) concentrates (the energy) which was communicated to his maiden daughter. [7]. When the father united with the daughter, then associating with the earth, he sprinkled it with the effusion[Semen]: then the thoughtful gods begot Brahma : they fabricated the lord of the hearth (of sacrifice) ; the defender of sacred rites.

    Father daughter incest is not condemned in the Vedas, in verse 6 it is considered a good deed. Some scholars say Rig Veda 10.61.5-7 verses are about the creation of universe after the union of father with his daughter. Upanishad also permits sex with daughter, its mentioned in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad that men were born after God had intercourse with his daughter,

    Birhadaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.3 ”He was not at all happy. Therefore people (still) are not happy when alone. He desired a mate. He became as big as man and wife embracing each other. He parted this very body into two. From that came husband and wife. Therefore, said Yajnavalkya, this (body) is one-half of oneself, like one of the two halves of a split pea. Therefore this space is indeed filled by the wife. He was united with her. From that men were born.” Tr. Swami Madhavananda

    Shankara Acharya writes on this verse,
    ‘’He, the Viraj called Manu, was united with her, his daughter called Satarupa, whom he conceived of as his wife. From that union men were born.’’ by Shankara on Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.3, Shankara Bhashya, p.101, Tr. Swami Madhavananda.

    If you want a decent dialogue stop using expletives and learn to debate without expletives. Make points and ask questions. I never use expletives because I sincerely believe all humans are made in the image of God and follow Christ in whom you will never find any sin.

    I have a high regard for Indians as they are hardworking people and I would always employ them. I have been to the most holiest of temples in my visits to South Asia specially when I has not accepted Christ.

    You may have valid points but you need to be keep the etiquette and moral standards in a forum whether you are moderated or not.

    May you find peace in Christ.

  14. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER”:

    Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER says: “Using expletives is a bad habit which cannot be broken cold turkey. Another reason may be it is rampant in you because you worshiping Brahma the main god of Hinduism who had 5 heads …”

    Face_The_Truth says: STOP WORSHIPING A DEAD JEW ON THE CROSS.

    A living-breathing Jew might not give out anything to anyone; so, your high expectation from a dead Jew on the Cross … … …

    You better stop worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross especially when you Christian MotherFU**ERS murdered millions of Jews in Europe 75 years ago.

    DO NOT PRETEND THAT CHRISTIANITY IS AN IDEOLOGY OF PEACE AND LOVE IN ORDER TO CONVERT GULLIBLE “HINDUS” OF INDIA, WHEN CHRISTIANITY IS INHERENTLY NOT.

    ASK ANY JEW YOU MEET TODAY AND S/HE MIGHT TELL YOU THAT A DEAD JEW ON THE CROSS IS NOT A MESSIAH.

    On the one hand, ONLY IN YOUR DELUSIONAL HEAD, A DEAD JEW ON THE CROSS APPEARS AS YOUR GOD.

    On the other hand, it is useless and total waste of my time to explain what “5 heads” or “10 hands” of a statue of a “Hindu” God or Goddess symbolize.

    “Hinduism” is far more superior and far too ancient an ideology to grasp for a Christian MotherFU**ER like yourself.

    So, some would say, Christian MotherFU**ERS like yourself are probably better off worshiping a dead Jew on the Cross!!!

    Before you, many invaders came to Indian subcontinent — such as Christians and Muslims — and tried to efface “Hinduism” from the hearts and minds of “Hindus”, but failed miserably.

    And, a Christian MotherFU**ER such as yourself will fail again too.

  15. Steve says:

    @Phoenix

    Okay, but how exactly did those things come into being? You imply that you have access to that information, so share it. And don’t just state that “it evolved” because that is not explanation. Evolution is natural selection and random mutation, thus making it a completely accidental phenomenon.” Why do mean you by “explanation”? Saying its evolved is an explanation. And no natural selection is the opposite of random.

    True, and when there are a myriad of defective mutations to every beneficial mutation, then one would expect that beneficial mutation to get destroyed by natural selection. Why should one expect a highly complex organ to be produced from those beneficial mutations?” Why would a beneficial mutation be destroyed? Lethal mutations will die out . The eye for for example is believed to have started out as just a patch that was capable of detecting light. See http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/selection/eye/

    Researchers at Lund University wanted to find out how long it might take for a complex eye to evolve. Starting with a flat, light-sensitive patch, they gradually made over 1,800 tiny improvements—forming a cup, constricting the opening, adding a lens—until they had a complex, image-forming eye. It is important to note that every tiny change these researchers made measurably improved image quality. The researchers concluded that these steps could have taken place in about 360,000 generations, or just a few hundred thousand years. 550 million years have passed since the formation of the oldest fossil eyes, enough time for complex eyes to have evolved more than 1,500 times.”

    “This is an absurd conclusion” Just like the conclusion of this creationist.

    “I have no reason to believe your message is highly improbable, unless you wish to assert quantum randomness. Your message is in fact evidence of intentional deliberation, albeit accompanied with flawed reasoning” It’s incredible – miraculously you could even say – improbable when you consider all the events and conditions involved. For example only one egg and one sperm – out of millions and Billions – of potential ones – came to be me. And this is just ONE FACTOR out of millions (that we know about) that is needed for this message to exist. So according to this persons absurd reasoning this message is an impossibility – despite the fact that I and this message exists.

    except by inferential conjecture” And why because it is an inference does it mean it’s not science? Do you think OJ Simpson is innocent because it’s was an interference that he killed his wife – based on the physical evidence?

    ” Yes, there are indeed explanations for why those things evolved but they are just that: Explanations” Like the explanation for why OJ’s blood was found at the crime scene is that he killed them. This is the only explanation that makes any sense and according to the blood evidence alone the chances of him being innocent are 1 in 57 billion. Just like the only explanation for why all life uses the same code is that they all share a common ancestor. Or why different species have the same retro virus’s is because they they share a common ancestor. And the chances that species have the same retro virus or that all species would use the same code – without a heritable mechanism- is ridiculously higher than 57 billion.

    ” It is not up to me, as you erroneously assume, to provide evidence for them. The onus is on the Evolutionist to prove his claims.” Yes obviously there must be a better explanation for why life uses all the same code but you can’t tell me what it is though? Just like OJ’s defence team couldn’t explain why his blood is at the crime scene. Satan designed life to make it look like it evolved when in fact he designed it perhaps?

    “The notion that a hypothesis is true because it tells a better story than any current or past hypothesis, is NOT science. It is in fact a “science of the gap” argument, only accepted by dogmatists.” Forensic evidence in courts should be thrown out then according to your reasoning since it just “tells a better story”. Not buying it, your “evolution skepticism” doesn’t have a leg to stand so far as I am concerned.

    “You can continue to scream “creationist” as you dodge these facts but I will continue to hector Evolutionists and Atheists about the failure of their “science”.” You haven’t got any facts. I have provided facts and your only response was “it tells a better story”. The reason I say creationist is because every one of your “arguments” is copied and pasted from creationist websites – and creationists are the furthest thing possible from being skeptics.

  16. Phoenix says:

    Steve,

    //1)Evolution modifies preexisting structures – eyes and digestive systems etc don’t just come into being “by accident” as he says.//

    Okay, but how exactly did those things come into being? You imply that you have access to that information, so share it. And don’t just state that “it evolved” because that is not explanation. Evolution is natural selection and random mutation, thus making it a completely accidental phenomenon.

    //2) Natural selection sieves out defective gene sequences. (See Dawkins weasel program which shows this)//

    True, and when there are a myriad of defective mutations to every beneficial mutation, then one would expect that beneficial mutation to get destroyed by natural selection. Why should one expect a highly complex organ to be produced from those beneficial mutations?

    //Also seemingly virtually impossible events happen all the time this is not an argument that something can’t happen. For example what are the odds of this message? The odds are mind bogglingly small when you consider all the factors and conditions involved but yet the fact is this message exists.//

    This is an absurd conclusion. I have no reason to believe your message is highly improbable, unless you wish to assert quantum randomness. Your message is in fact evidence of intentional deliberation, albeit accompanied with flawed reasoning.

    //Now then putting aside this fallacious argument what argument do you have against the evidence for common descent presented in the video? Explain nested hierarchies? Explain why humans still have bones in the ear which reptiles have as part of their jaw? Explain why humans still have a tail bone? Explain retro virus’s and pseudo genes? Explain why the mole has blind eyes? Explain why all life uses the same protein code when it could use a hundred different combinations? Explain why humans can’t breath and swallow at the same time? Explain why the Python still has a pelvis if it not descended from lizards? The only explanation for these facts is common descent their is no other theory which fits these facts.//

    Firstly, you are asking me to disprove a concept which is not accompanied by scientific evidence in the first place, except by inferential conjecture, thus asking me to prove a negative. Akin to: “Prove Evolution is not true. Yes, there are indeed explanations for why those things evolved but they are just that: Explanations. There is not a single item on your list which can be experimentally verified proving common descent. It is not up to me, as you erroneously assume, to provide evidence for them. The onus is on the Evolutionist to prove his claims.

    The notion that a hypothesis is true because it tells a better story than any current or past hypothesis, is NOT science. It is in fact a “science of the gap” argument, only accepted by dogmatists.

    You can continue to scream “creationist” as you dodge these facts but I will continue to hector Evolutionists and Atheists about the failure of their “science”.

  17. Ron says:

    Face_The_Truth
    Using expletives is a bad habit which cannot be broken cold turkey. Another reason may be it is rampant in you because you worshipping Brahma the main god of Hinduism who had 5 heads (one of which was always telling lies, expletives and cursing then this other smaller god Shiva cut of Brahma’s head)

    Jesus told not to use expletives at all even to your enemies. He said bless your enemies.

    Also sometimes when you worship incestuous gods also you get this bad habit of expletives. I can give you the reference in the Hindu scriptures of gods using expletives.

    But don’t worry there is a cure for this bad habit. When you accept Jesus it will change you.

    Watch this testimony of a Hindu Brahmin who became Christian

  18. Face_The_Truth says:

    FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR “RON THE CHRISTIAN MOTHERFU**ER”:

    [I understand it is extremely difficult to leave this habit of using expletives and being very hateful.]

    No, I DO NOT write M*****F***** to anyone else.

    And, telling truths is NOT hatred.

    [It is largely due to being brought up in an environment of hate indoctrination where expletives are the norm.]

    You don’t know anything about me.

    [I know I can easily retaliate again with a dose of expletives from my side but then it makes no difference between you and me.]

    The primary difference between you and I is you are a Christian M*****F***** who makes a living by converting idiots and imbeciles into your Christian fold and I DO NOT try to convert anyone into anything.

    [You are made in the image of God and Christ did teach us to love all humans.]

    No, according to “Hinduism”, humans are NOT made in the image of God, rather all living creatures both big and small, both bad and good, both firm and infirm are the manifestation of almighty God.

    “Hindusim” says, Jivanang Sarva Bhuteshu and, that means, God manifests himself or herself in all life forms, since without God there’s NO life.

    God manifests him or herself in all living and non-living objects on earth and in the entire universe!

    God manifests him or herself when the Sun shines; God manifests him or herself when it rains; and God manifests him or herself when night falls and the Moon lights the earth.

    Without God, we do NOT exist.

    Without God, nothing exists, according to “Hinduism”.

    [Jesus is the solution to hate.]

    If you believe so, so keep on following His teachings.

    “Hindus” are NOT stopping you from whoever you like to make your Guru.

    [Accepting him can make you more compassionate, loving towards everyone irrespective whether they are Muslim, Christian, Atheist or any other religion, irrespective of their race, ethnicity, country, orientation, economic or health situation etc.]

    NOW, YOU’VE CROSSED YOUR LIMIT, because you’re a Christian M*****F***** to begin with.

    I DO NOT need your Jesus Fu**ing Christ to become compassionate, loving towards anyone or no one.

    Bhagwan Shri Krishna has taught me love and compassion from my early childhood, which I practice everyday.

    I don’t need a Christian M*****F***** like you to RE-INTRODUCE me to love and compassion.

    I don’t need a traitor like M.K. Gandhi to RE-INTRODUCE me to love and compassion.

    I don’t need the Holy Roman Catholic Church to re-introduce me to love and compassion.

    That is where a Christian M*****F***** like yourself and I differ.

    [If you walk downtown of any big city you will find homeless, hungry, sick and the poor. You will feel and get a compulsive and compassionate feeling to help them and you would do that. Earlier when I did not accept Christ, I just did not care about the poor, and I did use slangs and was materialistic.]

    Good for you! So, keep up the good work!!!

    [All Westerners are not Christian though we may have Christian names.]

    Now, you exactly talk like a Muslim bastard.

    A Muslim bastard will repeatedly tell you that Muslim terrorists are NOT real Muslims and the ideology of Islam has absolutely NOTHING to do with Islamic terrorism.

    [Many of the real Christians are out there working for and among the underprivileged in society in different parts of the world specially where there is poverty, lack of education, lack of healthcare for old, sick, orphans, widows, AIDS and lepers, and also in red-light areas and where there is disease, war, disaster and calamity etc. Other Christians are praying and supporting them.]

    Good for them! So, let them keep up their good work!!!

    [If you or your relatives/friends have received free milk, free vaccinations for polio, small pox etc. and free healthcare in India/Africa then be thankful because it was funded mainly by Christians.]

    No question about it.

    [People in India are told by vested interests that only the poor tribals become Christians.]

    So what???

    If a poor tribal individual wants to follow the teachings of Lord Jesus Christ, that’s his/her choice.

    WHY would a “Hindu” oppose that UNLESS a Christian M*****F***** like yourself wants to convert non-Christians by giving free milk?

    In 1868, Friedrich Max Müller wrote to George Campbell, the newly appointed Secretary of State for Indian subcontinent:

    “India has been conquered once, but India must be conquered again, and that second conquest should be a conquest by education.

    As to religion, that will take care of itself.

    The missionaries have done far more than they themselves seem to be aware of, nay, much of the work which is theirs they would probably disclaim.

    The Christianity of our nineteenth century will hardly be the Christianity of India.

    BUT THE ANCIENT RELIGION OF INDIA IS DOOMED — and if Christianity does not step in, whose fault will it be?”

    [Same thing was said about Christians in South Korea but now more than 50% of the South Korea is Christian and it is growing and the country is prospering. Same thing in China where Christianity is the growing at an alarming rate in spite of the persecution.]

    WHY the word “Alarming” here???

    If something is good, then there’s no need for alarm.

    I DO NOT oppose anyone if s/he chooses to follow the teachings of Lord Jesus Christ or Adi Acharya Shankara or Lord Gautama Buddha.

    That’s her/his personal choice.

  19. Ron says:

    @Face_The_Truth

    I understand it is extremely difficult to leave this habit of using expletives and being very hateful. It is largely due to being brought up in an environment of hate indoctrination where expletives are the norm. I know I can easily retaliate again with a dose of expletives from my side but then it makes no difference between you and me. You are made in the image of God and Christ did teach us to love all humans.

    Jesus is the solution to hate. Accepting him can make you more compassionate, loving towards everyone irrespective whether they are Muslim, Christian, Atheist or any other religion, irrespective of their race, ethnicity, country, orientation, economic or health situation etc.

    If you walk downtown of any big city you will find homeless, hungry, sick and the poor. You will feel and get a compulsive and compassionate feeling to help them and you would do that. Earlier when I did not accept Christ, I just did not care about the poor ,and I did use slangs and was materialistic.

    All Westerners are not Christian though we may have Christian names. Many of the real Christians are out there working for and among the underprivileged in society in different parts of the world specially where there is poverty, lack of education, lack of healthcare for old, sick, orphans, widows, AIDS and lepers, and also in red-light areas and where there is disease, war, disaster and calamity etc. Other Christians are praying and supporting them.

    If you or your relatives/friends have received free milk, free vaccinations for polio, small pox etc. and free healthcare in India/Africa then be thankful because it was funded mainly by Christians.

    People in India are told by vested interests that only the poor tribals become Christians. Same thing was said about Christians in South Korea but now more than 50% of the South Korea is Christian and it is growing and the country is prospering. Same thing in China where Christianity is the growing at an alarming rate in spite of the persecution.

    Watch this and may God show you the truth and the truth will set you free.
    A Hindu – Dr.Parameswari – conversion to Christianity (English)

  20. Steve says:

    Phoenix

    “It’s not that it is impossible as much as the probability of it occurring is non-credible.” The flaw in this creationists argument – which is just a rehashing of the old “Monkeys typing Shakespeare argument” – is that he Ignores the fact that one 1)Evolution modifies preexisting structures – eyes and digestive systems etc don’t just come into being “by accident” as he says. 2) Natural selection sieves out defective gene sequences. (See Dawkins weasel program which shows this). Also seemingly virtually impossible events happen all the time this is not an argument that something can’t happen. For example what are the odds of this message? The odds are mind bogglingly small when you consider all the factors and conditions involved but yet the fact is this message exists.

    Now then putting aside this fallacious argument what argument do you have against the evidence for common descent presented in the video? Explain nested hierarchies? Explain why humans still have bones in the ear which reptiles have as part of their jaw? Explain why humans still have a tail bone? Explain retro virus’s and pseudo genes? Explain why the mole has blind eyes? Explain why all life uses the same protein code when it could use a hundred different combinations? Explain why humans can’t breath and swallow at the same time? Explain why the Python still has a pelvis if it not descended from lizards? The only explanation for these facts is common descent their is no other theory which fits these facts.

  21. Walter Sieruk says:

    Sine the very intelligent man Mr. Trump running for President and likewise that disingenuous, deceptive and lying H.C. also running for President, it may be wise to reminder that just last week was the week of the of the 240 year anniversary of the Declaration of Independence it’s therefore a good time to site the of the wise words of two American Patriots who were signers of the Declaration of Independence. For their wisdom may ,very much, apply to the evil and madness of those who are dangerous to self and others by engaging in jihad suicide/homicide attacks . So concerning the subject of, ISIS, Muslim suicide/homicide – bombers /attackers. They are so thoroughly brainwashed and deluded that they actually think of their murderous actions as “martyrdom operations.” This jihad evil and madness is based on the Koranic doctrine, 9:111. , of a far-fetched and nonsensical doctrine of a sex- filled paradise with many virgins, hours, in it for the use only the jihadist/Muslim male who dies as a “martyr” fighting for the cause of Islam. This weird religious/Islamic teaching is found contained the Koran in 44:56. .55:56. 78:31. This bizarre and odd, irrational Koranic doctrine is not open, to the jihadist, to inquiry, questioning. logic or reason. So this blind unreasoning kind of “faith” in the Koran is a reminder that Thomas Jefferson had written. “Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck.” Likewise, Benjamin Franklin had printed in POOR RICHARD’S ALMANACK something which may apply to this topic. For Mr. Franklin had printed “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.”

  22. Walter Sieruk says:

    With Donald Trump and also the insidious, sly Hillary running for the Office of the President of the United States., it’s thus good to take time stop and then remembers that this is the second week after the 240 anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence it’s therefore a good time to remember that for the United States to continue as a great power in the world in spite of the current threats of the Islamic terrorism by jihadist /Muslim terrorists who are operatives of ISIS, Al Qaeda and other jihadists of other similar jihad terror entities. Americans then should have Vigilance, Conviction and, of course, Fortitude. As one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence had declared “Let the eye of vigilance never be closed.” and “A conviction that we are right accomplishes half the difficulty of correcting wrong.” Likewise, Mr. Jefferson had also stated “Fortitude…teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them.”

  23. Face_The_Truth says:

    FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR “RON THE CHRISTIAN MOTHERFU**ER”:

    I write expletive(s) to you, because you constantly preach your Jesus Fu**ing Christ to me.

    I DO NOT preach Bhagwan Shri Krishna to you or to any Christian or any Muslim.

    Because, it’s NONE of my business whether any Christian or any Muslim pays respect to Bhagwan Shri Krishna.

    I DO NOT try to convert anyone to anything.

    I ONLY replied to Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah Umar Salehi ibn Sina’s comment that Christian teaching “Love Your Neighbor” is eternal truth with my saying that Christian teaching “Love Your Neighbor” is not applicable to all Place, Time and Person.

    I ALSO TOLD YOU THAT I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN.

    I told you at another thread that “Hindu” mythological characters — whether they are gods and goddesses or not — DO NOT represent daily lives of “Hindus” in any conceivable terms.

    Plus, for being so many thousands of years in ancestry, today’s “Hindus” cannot trace the origins of those mythological stories to any specific epoch in the process of evolution of the stories of “Hindu” gods and goddesses.

    Swami Vivekananda was WRONG so many times in so many different subjects that it will take me to write a whole full-length article to expose them!

    For a very common example to cite here, Swami Vivekananda believed during his very short 39 years of earthly life that marauding Muslim invaders built “Teje Mahal” (i.e., Tejo Mahalaya) as well as the Red Fort in Indian subcontinent.

    That was just one example of so many historical mistakes of Swami Vivekananda like so many other lay and educated people out there make today in India.

    There were many Christian intellectuals of 18th, 19th and 20th centuries who claimed Islam’s founder Muhammad ibn Abd’Allah to be of divine and super-human character; but, based on what we know today from great humanitarian of our time, namely ROBERT BRUCE SPENCER, we can easily reject those Christian intellectuals’ claims.

    Similarly, if a person LIKES OR LOVES OR PREFERS OR WORSHIPS your Jesus Fu**ing Christ, whether that LOVER is highly intellectual or not doesn’t matter, s/he can claim or say many good things about your Jesus Fu**ing Christ and those very good said-or-written things are simply that person’s personal opinion. That’s all.

    Those very good said-or-written things are NOT universal truth; those very good said-or-written things are just a human’s personal opinion whether others agree with them or not it doesn’t matter.

    FOLLOWINGS ARE THE OPINIONS MADE BY CHRISTIAN INTELLECTUALS ON ISLAM’S FOUNDER MUHAMMAD IBN ABD’ALLAH:

    THOMAS CARLYLE
    “They call him a prophet, you say? Why, he stood there face to face with them, here, not enshrined in any mystery, visibly clouting his own cloak, cobbling his own shoes, fighting, counseling, ordering in the midst of them. They must have seen what kind of a man he was, let him be called what ye like. No emperor with his tiaras was obeyed as this man in a cloak of his own clouting. During three and twenty years of rough, actual trial, I find something of a veritable hero necessary for that of itself.”

    ANNIE BESANT
    “It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.”

    MONTGOMERY WATT
    “His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad.”

    GEORGE BERNARD SHAW
    “I believe if a man like Muhammad were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring much needed peace and happiness. I have studied him – the man and in my opinion is far from being an anti–Christ. He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I have prophesied about the faith of Mohammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”

    STANLEY EDWARD LANE-POOLE
    “Muhammad was the most faithful protector of those he protected, the sweetest and most agreeable in conversation. Those who saw him were suddenly filled with reverence; those who came near him loved him; they who described him would say, ‘I have never seen his like either before or after.’ He was of great taciturnity, but when he spoke it was with emphasis and deliberation, and no one could forget what he said…”

  24. Phoenix says:

    Steve,

    //which lists the MOUNTAINS of evidence for evolution. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEP7Z55Z6nM If after watching that you still keep claiming evolution is pseudo science and all this other nonsense you are simply a bigot who rejects the evidence out of prejudice.//

    The closest thing resembling experimental data in your link and its references was the Robert Lenski E.coli evolution experiment. According to your knowledge, it provides proof of Evolution, hence your reason for forwarding the link.

    First; here is an excllent refutation against the experiment

    http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v12i11f.htm

    Here we have a mutation that almost caused a function to come into existence after 33k generations. That required an elementary mutation in order to capacitate it.

    Now my personal calculations demonstrate that the axctual chances of that occurring are roughly 10^14600, even under the controlled laboratory conditions which was attempting to produce it.
    Bare in mind that populations can increase rapidly at a rate of 10^2 per day, even by using the 20k generation number and the rate of that mutatiion is 2^20k. I’m using 20 years with a population change of 10^2 per day. That probability, albeit an aproximate, is statistically low and absurd to conclude proof.

    Moreover, when one considers the production and evolution of the digestive system, a single mutation at a time and collecting all the extensive and myriad required ordered mutations for a instantaneous unleashing for a complete digestive system, then the odds of that occurring are astronomically near impossible.

    It’s not that it is impossible as much as the probability of it occurring is non-credible.

    So what will it take to be believed? Perhaps Math?

  25. Steve says:

    Ron
    “It was 300 years after Jesus that Emperor Constantine became a Christian.” Yes and how many of the Romans were Christians at that point ? According to historians at most 10% of the population. Then within a hundred years Of being adopted by the Roman state Christianity was the dominant religion and it was the pagans who was persecuted and killed by the Roman state. So then what lead to the dominance of Christianity was it because it was adopted by the Roman emperor Constantine as the state religion of Rome who then spread this religion by force or was it because of the so called great and original teachings of Jesus? Who only had 12 followers – despite the fact he supposedly performed supernatural miracles – and who everyone was glad to be rid of and preferred Barabbas to him and even Peter denied him?

    “If CS Lewis was in any way not apologetic for Christianity as your skewed interpretation claims then you are in great error as all the churches in the world consider CS Lewis as an apologist for Christianity and a defender of the Christian faith” What I said is correct your “interpretation” of Lewis’s statement doesn’t make any sense. Jesus’s teachings are immoral – unless he is God. So Lewis says either you accept he is God or if you don’t then don’t come out with this nonsense about him being a good moral teacher because if a person who was not God said those things he must be a madman or the devil of hell – that is not a possibility that Jesus left open – as Lewis clearly states.

  26. Ron says:

    Steve
    If CS Lewis was in any way not apologetic for Christianity as your skewed interpretation claims then you are in great error as all the churches in the world consider CS Lewis as an apologist for Christianity and a defender of the Christian faith.

    The Roman empire crushed Christianity in the beginning and the early Christians were martyred, impaled, crucified, fed to lions. It was 300 years after Jesus that Emperor Constantine became a Christian.

  27. Steve says:

    Ron
    “but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the
    very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history.” We don’t
    even know if such a person even existed – and even if he did exist we don’t know anything about his life or what he taught. The gospels are not historical documents they was written decades after his death by anonymous people. The reason Christianity spread is because it was adopted by the Roman Empire.
    Not because Christianity is true or from a god or contained any great original teachings.

    “What CS Lewis mentions below and summarises is that Jesus is Lord and God and NOT a mere man.” This is not what he says. Unless he is God he must be a madman or the devil but NOT a good moral teacher. This is why Lewis says “You must
    make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that
    open to us. He did not intend to.”

  28. Ron says:

    Steve

    What CS Lewis mentions below and summarises is that Jesus is Lord and God and NOT a mere man.
    If the above summary is what you said and meant then Amen to that but if this is not what you meant then we pray that Christ will reveal himself to you.

    A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic – on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg – or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.–C.S. Lewis

  29. Ron says:

    Swami Vivekananda on Christ

    If Jesus Christ was not perfect, then the religion bearing his name falls to the ground.
    .
    Had I lived in Palestine, in the days of Jesus of Nazareth, I would have washed his feet, not with my tears, but with my heart’s blood!

    The Christ who is the Incarnation of God, who has not forgotten His divinity, that Christ can help us, in Him there is no imperfection.

    Napolean on Christ

    I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creation of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him.

    M K Gandhi
    A man who was completely innocent, offered himself as a sacrifice for the good of others, including his enemies, and became the ransom of the world. It was a perfect act.

    Philip Schaff
    Jesus of Nazareth, without money and arms, conquered more millions than Alexander the Great, Caesar, Mohammed, and Napoleon; without science and learning, he shed more light on things human and divine than all philosophers and scholars combined; without the eloquence of school, he spoke such words of life as were never spoken before or since, and produced effects which lie beyond the reach of orator or poet; without writing a single line, he set more pens in motion, and furnished themes for more sermons, orations, discussions, learned volumes, works of art, and songs of praise than the whole army of great men of ancient and modern times. –

    HG Wells
    I am an historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history.

  30. Steve says:

    Ron that is what I said. C.S Lewis said if Jesus was not God and the world was not about to end then he has to be either a liar, a madman or the devil of hell, but the one thing a person preaching such a doctrine cannot be and that is a good moral teacher.

  31. Ron says:

    Steve,
    these are the words of CS Lewis (who was once an atheist and then became a great Christian and great writer )in a form you can understand.
    If you still do not understand then I just pray for you..

    “I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him (Jesus) :

    (This is what some people say ) I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.

    The CS Lewis reasons why he is not accepting the above statement made by others about Jesus by making the statement below.

    CS Lewis says “That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

    ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

  32. Steve says:

    Ron
    “CS Lewis became
    a Christian from an atheist and in his book Mere Christianity he summarises and says that either Jesus
    was a lunatic or God and not just a mere normal person of good moral character.” C.S Lewis doesn’t say “not just a normal person of moral character”. He said someone who says that and is not God cannot be a good moral teacher and that is the one thing that people must not say. You are lying again.
    You are correct in saying however that psychotic people and psychopathic narcissist cult leaders and dooms day preachers are not normal people this is true. Which is about the only true thing I have ever heard you say on this site so far.

    Phoenix

    “We still do have have stitch of empirical evidence for Evolution and no one can tell me
    why Evolution is excluded from experimental, replicable and falsifiable data?” Then watch this one
    which lists the MOUNTAINS of evidence for evolution. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEP7Z55Z6nM If after watching that you still keep claiming evolution is pseudo science and all this other nonsense you are simply a bigot who rejects the evidence out of prejudice.

  33. Ron says:

    @Face_The_Truth
    You have to face the truth literally and in that you will find Christ and this will free you from indoctrinated hatred which is evident from the expletives you use.

    When Hindu gods are indulging in such crimes and expletives it is but natural that devotees would resort to the same.

    Gang Rape by Hopeless Hindu Gods and they are punished.
    Lord Brahma, Visnu & Siva rape Anasuya and are cursed. This is also an origin of the holy Shiv linga as Siva is cursed to be worshipped as the linga (phallus):

    “One day the sage Atri was performing tapas with his wife Anasuya. Brahma, Visnu, and Siva came and offered him a boon, but Atri remained silent, meditating. Then the three gods went to Anasuya. Siva had his linga in his hand, Visnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma was beside himself with desire, saying to Anasuya, ‘Make love with me or I will die.’ When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But they were overcome with delusion, and they raped her by force. Then she became angry and she cursed Siva to be worshipped as a linga, Brahma to be worshipped in the form of a head, and Visnu to be worshipped as feet, in order to ridicule them all, and she cursed them all to be reborn as her sons. Because of this, Siva was reborn as Durvasas.” — Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78.

    Watch this video why this Hindu Brahmin Doctor converts to Christianity

  34. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER”:

    I do NOT know why you keep repeating that this Brahmin or that Brahmin of India has converted to Christian religion.

    I really do NOT know why you keep repeating that this “Hindu” or that “Hindu” of India has converted to Christian religion.

    What do they prove???

    They only prove that this “Hindu” or that “Brahmin” likes or loves or prefers to practice the guiding principles of such and such Guru or Teacher or Master for his/her personal reason(s) or preference(s).

    There are many Christians and Jews in the West to my knowledge practice “Hinduism” by following Thakur Shri Ramakrishna or Chaitanya Maha Prabhu too.

    There are many Christians and Jews in the West to my knowledge do NOT eat meat and meat products as they have become lacto-ovo-vegetarians.

    That’s their personal choice! Those are their personal preferences!!!

    So, WHY do you (i.e., Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER) keep on telling me that this “Hindu” or that “Brahmin” have decided to be the followers of your Jesus Fu**ing Christ???

    In India wealthy Muslim men tend to marry attractive “Hindu” females to this day; because, having sexual intercourse with non-Muslim females is part of Islamic Jihad.

    During 800 years of Islamic rule in various parts of Indian subcontinent, Muslim rulers used to use force to abduct and marry and convert attractive “Hindu” girls into Islamic fold.

    Today wealthy Indian Muslims entice attractive “Hindu” females with money and other lucrative materials to convert to Islam, if physical force is not enforceable.

    So, regardless of gender, is a converted “Hindu” or a converted “Brahmin” better qualified to criticize “Hinduism”???

    If Ali Muhammad Amir Abd’Allah ibn Sina converts to Christianity, does that make Ali Sina a better person if Ali Sina doesn’t abandon his evil Islamic nature that Ali Sina was born with?

    Did born-again-Christianity make U.S. Christian President George Bush II a better person?

    So, from this point onward, STOP giving me personal preferences of this convert or that convert again.

    I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR AGAIN FROM YOU.

    Adi Acharya Shankara, who was a Brahmin, said in Bhavanya-Ashtakam:

    न तातो न माता न बन्धुर्न दाता
    न पुत्रो न पुत्री न भृत्यो न भर्ता ।
    न जाया न विद्या न वृत्तिर्ममैव
    गतिस्त्वं गतिस्त्वं त्वमेका भवानि ॥१॥

    Na Taato Na Maataa Na Bandhur-Na Daataa
    Na Putro Na Putrii Na Bhrtyo Na Bhartaa |
    Na Jaayaa Na Vidyaa Na Vrttir-Mama-Iva
    Gatis-Tvam Gatis-Tvam Tvam-Ekaa Bhavaani ||1||

    Meaning:
    1.1: Neither the Father, nor the Mother; Neither the Relation and
    Friend, nor the Donor,
    1.2: Neither the Son, nor the Daughter; Neither the Servant, nor the Husband,
    1.3: Neither the Wife, nor the (worldly) Knowledge; Neither my Profession,
    1.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

    भवाब्धावपारे महादुःखभीरु
    पपात प्रकामी प्रलोभी प्रमत्तः ।
    कुसंसारपाशप्रबद्धः सदाहं
    गतिस्त्वं गतिस्त्वं त्वमेका भवानि ॥२॥

    Bhavaabdhaav-Apaare Mahaa-Duhkha-Bhiiru
    Papaata Prakaamii Pralobhii Pramattah |
    Ku-Samsaara-Paasha-Prabaddhah Sada-[A]ham
    Gatis-Tvam Gatis-Tvam Tvam-Ekaa Bhavaani ||2||

    Meaning:
    2.1: In this Ocean of Worldly Existence which is Endless, I am full of
    Sorrow and Very much Afraid,
    2.2: I have Fallen with Excessive Desires and Greed, Drunken and Intoxicated,
    2.3: Always Tied in the Bondage of this miserable Samsara (worldly existence),
    2.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

    न जानामि दानं न च ध्यानयोगं
    न जानामि तन्त्रं न च स्तोत्रमन्त्रम् ।
    न जानामि पूजां न च न्यासयोगं
    गतिस्त्वं गतिस्त्वं त्वमेका भवानि ॥३॥

    Na Jaanaami Daanam Na Ca Dhyaana-Yogam
    Na Jaanaami Tantram Na Ca Stotra-Mantram |
    Na Jaanaami Puujaam Na Ca Nyaasa-Yogam
    Gatis-Tvam Gatis-Tvam Tvam-Ekaa Bhavaani ||3||

    Meaning:
    3.1: Neither do I know Charity, nor Meditation and Yoga,
    3.2: Neither do I know the practice of Tantra, nor Hymns and Prayers,
    3.3: Neither do I know Worship, nor dedication to Yoga,
    3.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

    न जानामि पुण्यं न जानामि तीर्थ
    न जानामि मुक्तिं लयं वा कदाचित् ।
    न जानामि भक्तिं व्रतं वापि मातर्गतिस्त्वं
    गतिस्त्वं त्वमेका भवानि ॥४॥

    Na Jaanaami Punnyam Na Jaanaami Tiirtha
    Na Jaanaami Muktim Layam Vaa Kadaacit |
    Na Jaanaami Bhaktim Vratam Vaapi Maatar-Gatis-Tvam
    Gatis-Tvam Gatis-Tvam Tvam-Ekaa Bhavaani ||4||

    Meaning:
    4.1: Neither do I Know Virtuous Deeds, nor Pilgrimage,
    4.2: I do not know the way to Liberation, and with little
    Concentration and Absorption,
    4.3: I know neither Devotion, nor Religious Vows; Nevertheless Oh Mother,
    4.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

    कुकर्मी कुसङ्गी कुबुद्धिः कुदासः
    कुलाचारहीनः कदाचारलीनः ।
    कुदृष्टिः कुवाक्यप्रबन्धः सदाहं
    गतिस्त्वं गतिस्त्वं त्वमेका भवानि ॥५॥

    Ku-Karmii Ku-Sanggii Ku-Buddhih Kudaasah
    Kula-[Aa]caara-Hiinah Kadaacaara-Liinah |
    Ku-Drssttih Ku-Vaakya-Prabandhah Sada-[A]ham
    Gatis-Tvam Gatis-Tvam Tvam-Ekaa Bhavaani ||5||

    Meaning:
    5.1: I performed Bad Deeds, associated with Bad Company, cherished Bad
    Thoughts, have been a Bad Servant,
    5.2: I did not perform my Traditional Duties, deeply engaged in Bad Conducts,
    5.3: My eyes Saw with Bad Intentions, tongue always Spoke Bad Words,
    5.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

    प्रजेशं रमेशं महेशं सुरेशं
    दिनेशं निशीथेश्वरं वा कदाचित् ।
    न जानामि चान्यत् सदाहं शरण्ये
    गतिस्त्वं गतिस्त्वं त्वमेका भवानि ॥६॥

    Praje[a-Is]sham Rame[a-Is]sham Mahe[a-Is]sham Sure[a-Is]sham
    Dine[a-Is]sham Nishiithe[a-I]shvaram Vaa Kadaacit |
    Na Jaanaami Caanyat Sada-[A]ham Sharannye
    Gatis-Tvam Gatis-Tvam Tvam-Ekaa Bhavaani ||6||

    Meaning:
    6.1: Little do I know about The Lord of Creation (Brahma), The Lord of
    Ramaa (Goddess Lakshmi) (Vishnu), The Great Lord (Shiva), The Lord of
    the Devas (Indra),
    6.2: The Lord of the Day (Surya) or The Lord of the Night (Chandra),
    6.3: I do not know about other gods, but always seeking Your Refuge,
    6.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

    विवादे विषादे प्रमादे प्रवासे
    जले चानले पर्वते शत्रुमध्ये ।
    अरण्ये शरण्ये सदा मां प्रपाहि
    गतिस्त्वं गतिस्त्वं त्वमेका भवानि ॥७॥

    Vivaade Vissaade Pramaade Pravaase
    Jale Ca-[A]nale Parvate Shatru-Madhye |
    Arannye Sharannye Sadaa Maam Prapaahi
    Gatis-Tvam Gatis-Tvam Tvam-Ekaa Bhavaani ||7||

    Meaning:
    7.1: During Dispute and Quarrel, during Despair and Dejection, during
    Intoxication and Insanity, in Foreign Land,
    7.2: In Water, and Fire, in Mountains and Hills, amidst Enemies,
    7.3: In Forest, please Protect me,
    7.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

    अनाथो दरिद्रो जरारोगयुक्तो
    महाक्षीणदीनः सदा जाड्यवक्त्रः ।
    विपत्तौ प्रविष्टः प्रनष्टः सदाहं
    गतिस्त्वं गतिस्त्वं त्वमेका भवानि ॥८॥

    Anaatho Daridro Jaraa-Roga-Yukto
    Mahaa-Kssiinna-Diinah Sadaa Jaaddya-Vaktrah |
    Vipattau Pravissttah Pranassttah Sadaaham
    Gatis-Tvam Gatis-Tvam Tvam-Ekaa Bhavaani ||8||

    Meaning:
    8.1: I am Helpless, Poor, Afflicted by Old Age and Disease,
    8.2: Very Weak and Miserable, always with a Pale Countenance,
    8.3: Fallen Asunder, Always surrounded by and Lost in Troubles and Miseries,
    8.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

  35. Phoenix says:

    It’s been a week since I’ve asked for experimental data in support of Evolution. Instead of scientific evidence, I’ve been given…

    a) Video simulation (aka animation)
    b) A wikipedia article
    c) I’ve been told that 99% of scientists believe Evolution is fact, therefore it must be (appeal to authority and argumentum ad populum)
    d) I’ve been charged with being religious for questioning Evolution

    BUT…

    We still do have have stitch of empirical evidence for Evolution and no one can tell me why Evolutuion is excluded from experimental, replicable and falsifiable data?

    At some point you will have to accept that something is sketchy regarding this “science”.

  36. Ron says:

    Steve,
    CS Lewis became a Christian from an atheist and in his book Mere Christianity he summarises and says that either Jesus was a lunatic or God and not just a mere normal person of good moral character.

    If you are sincerely searching for the truth and are an agnostic and not a die-hard atheist then you will find Christ sooner or later.

    I pray that you would find Christ and peace and purpose in him.

  37. Steve says:

    Ron

    If Jesus was sinless then why even the famous Christian apologist and author C.S Lewis admit
    “I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

    Jesus preached the end of the world was coming and people should abandon everything in their lives – their families, their homes, their livelihoods and community’s – to follow him In order to be saved from the hellfire. Since the world didn’t come to an end in the lifetime of the disciples – as Jesus says in your bible by the way – this teaching and Jesus’s whole mission and doctrine is a lie and is incredible immoral. So he must have been a madman, or the devil from hell (as even C.S Lewis admitted) and certainly not a sinless man as you falsely claim.

  38. Ron says:

    Christ never hate and only preached love, forgiveness and sacrifice. He was sinless.

    You may choose not to believe in his divine nature or in his historicity, The Christian scriptures, Gospels and the Epistles record the miracles, healing of many diseases, healing the blind, mute, deaf, lame and lepers and raising the dead which he performed. There is no sin attributed to Jesus. He was sinless and pure.

    We can always give a rapsheet of crimes/offences committed by other so called gods and godmen with references of these immoral activities from their own Scriptures, but you cannot find anything sinful which Jesus did.
    Watch this testimony of a Hindu Pandit Brahmin on why he became Christian

  39. Ron says:

    Christ never preached love, forgiveness and sacrifice. He was sinless.
    You may choose not to believe in his divine nature or in his historicity, The Christian scriptures, Gospels and the Epistles record the miracles, healing of many diseases, healing the blind, mute, deaf, lame and lepers and raising the dead which he performed. There is no sin attributed to Jesus. He was sinless and pure.

    We can always give a rapsheet of crimes/offences committed by other so called gods and godmen with references of these immoral activities from their own Scriptures, but you cannot find anything sinful which Jesus did.
    Watch this testimony of a Hindu Pandit Brahmin on why he became Christian

  40. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFU**ER”:

    Christianity is basically a plagiarism by the ancient Greeks of the stories of “Hindu” Lord Shri Krishna.

    Bhagwan Shri Krishna said:

    Chapter 18: Conclusion — The Perfection of Renunciation

    TEXT 66
    Sarva-dharman parityajya
    Mam ekam saranam vraja
    Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
    Moksayisyami ma sucah

    TRANSLATION
    Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.

    Almost everything that Christian MotherFU**ERS claimed to be Christianity (i.e., Krishna-Neeti) was plagiarized from the common ancient local legends of Lord Shri Krishna of Bharat Rashtra, even including the story of earthly birth circumstance of Bhagwan Shri Krishna.

    But, Christian MotherFU**ERS keep on saying that if you don’t believe in a Middle Eastern Jew named (by the Greeks as) “Jesus Fu**ing Christ”, you go straight to hell as Christian MotherFu**ers have already made Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran living Islamic hell-holes.

    Christian MotherFU**ERS do not like to talk about the fact that Christianity can easily be summed up with greed, perversion and sexual exploitation of non-Christians while Christian MotherFU**ERS do very QUICKLY UNITE WITH Muslim bastards in Islamic rampage on non-Muslims throughout the world.

    Christian MotherFU**ERS do not talk about — along with Muslim invaders — British Christian imperialists in Indian subcontinent used to rape and torture native “Hindu” girls.

    Christian MotherFU**ERS today do not talk about European Christian settlers raping and murdering Native American Indians in America.

    Christian MotherFU**ERS do not talk about European Christian slave-traders who used to bring in African Blacks to the Americas for economic and sexual exploitation. That’s the true history of Christianity.

    Christian MotherFU**ERS do not talk about Joshua Ben-Joseph who was born a Jew, lived as a Jew and died on the Cross as a Jew where Middle Eastern Jews did not like their own folk.

    To this day Christian MotherFU**ERS do worship a Middle Eastern Jew named Joshua Ben-Joseph while — quite ironically — Christian Nazis murdered millions of Jews in Europe not so long ago!!!

    U.S. President George Bush II was a born-again-Christian who invaded Iraq for oil and the outcome of that born-again-Christian’s greed and perversion was only death and destruction of all and everything to this day.

    U.S. Christian President Lyndon Johnson invaded Vietnam and American Christian soldiers used to rape and torture to death Vietnamese girls for American Christian holy pleasures every day and night. And, that’s the true Christian history!

    U.S. Christian President Ronald Wilson Reagan aided Afghanistan’s Muslim bastards to make Afghanistan an Islamic hell-hole forever.

    U.S. Christian Presidents side with Saudi Arabia where beheading, stoning and Islamic brutality go on unnoticed by world’s Christians; because, world’s Christians love Muslims and Muslims keep on fu**ing every non-Muslim with the financial and military aids from Christian countries.

    Christianity can be summed up with greed, perversion and sexual exploitation of underage children as Islam can be easily summed up with stoning, beheading and looting of non-Muslims’ lands and properties.

  41. Steve says:

    Ron

    “The fact that 12 apostles of Jesus turned the world upside down,” 12 apostles who may never existed and even if they did we know nothing about their lives.

    “who were mostly martyred for their faith and changed the course of history, measurement of time, penned the largest bestseller in the whole world since printing press began and the largest translated book the world has ever known, spread the largest faith with adherents in every country of the whole world is something which just CANNOT be built on a lie.” If this is true of Christianity then it must be true of all the other religions and cults where the followers died for their beliefs. Such as Sikhs, Hindus, Jews, Baha’is, Muslims and all the others.

    “Generally sociopaths/psychopaths who have always been in denial of Christ, his deity are mostly atheists/agnostics.” We don’t *reject* Jesus because we don’t believe he exists. I explained this before. Can you *reject* Santa? No because you don’t believe in the existence of any Santa.

    “Generally sociopaths/psychopaths who have always been in denial of Christ, his deity are mostly atheists/agnostics.” Except for the Catholic Church – run by gangsters and pedophiles and hate mongers like Walid Shoebat. And of course all the other terrorist and psychopathic religious leaders/groups – and not to mention all the Muslims

    “Atheists and psychopathy have the same common traits and both of them generally lack empathy. Read the article below” No evidence for that. “To believe in a supernatural god or universal spirit, people appear to suppress the brain network used for analytical thinking and engage the empathetic network, the scientists said.” That means religious people don’t think and instead are guided by emotions. This is how con men and cults manipulate people – they play on their emotions. Thinking rational has nothing to do with lack of empathy. “Unless you believe in my imaginary friend you cannot have empathy”.

    “Scientists have yet to discover a ‘God gene’ but said differences at a genetic level appeared to play a big role.” So should God punish people for creating them without the God genes?

  42. Ron says:

    Steve
    You have NOT given the name of any Greek philosopher, thinker or (religious or other) personality born before Christ who has stated the words or teachings of Christ.

    Even you have NOT given any non-Greek philosopher, thinker, or (religious or other) personality born before Christ who has stated the words or teachings of Christ.

    The fact that 12 apostles of Jesus turned the world upside down, who were mostly martyred for their faith and changed the course of history, measurement of time, penned the largest bestseller in the whole world since printing press began and the largest translated book the world has ever known, spread the largest faith with adherents in every country of the whole world is something which just CANNOT be built on a lie.

    There are many religions who have co-opted Jesus as a prophet (Islam, Bahai, Ahmadiya, Druze, Mandeans etc.). There are many Hindus and gurus who consider Jesus to be an incarnation of their God and there are many Buddhists including Dalai Lama who believe that Jesus achieved enlightenment and tend to co-opt him etc.

    The great Indian Guru Swami Vivekananda said “Jesus Christ was God — the Personal God become man. He has manifested Himself many times in different forms and these alone are what you can worship. God in His absolute nature is not to be worshipped. Worshipping such God would be nonsense. We have to worship Jesus Christ, the human manifestation, as God. You cannot worship anything higher than the manifestation of God. The sooner you give up the worship of God separate from Christ, the better for you.”

    He also said If I, as an Oriental have to worship Jesus of Nazareth, there is only one way, that is, to worship him as God and nothing else.`

    So collectively those who believe that Jesus existed, did miracles and was holy and lived a highly moral life etc. would amount to a staggering 4-5 billion of the world’s population or 7 billion.

    If there was so much of smoke then there has to be a real fire. This made atheists like Lee Strobel, CS Lewis, Oscar Wilde, Alister McGrath, Alexander Solzhenitsyn convert to Christianity.

    There are those like Stalin, Polpot, Mao, Marx and others sociopaths/psychopaths who got political power or influence and who believed that Jesus never existed, and if existed was not God and needed to be purged from the minds of people. They were responsible for the greatest killings the 20th century has ever seen.

    Generally sociopaths/psychopaths who have always been in denial of Christ, his deity are mostly atheists/agnostics.

    Atheists and psychopathy have the same common traits and both of them generally lack empathy. Read the article below

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3506294/Are-atheist-probably-PSYCHOPATH-Non-believers-lack-empathy-religious-people-intelligent-claims-study.html

    If you sincerely search for God, then you will find Christ (in fact Christ will find you ) just as I, Sina et al have found Christ.

    May the peace of Christ be with you.

  43. Steve says:

    Ron

    “If they cannot back it up, then they say that all religious people lie.

    Let the readers decide themselves” I said you lie because you did other philosopheies/religions said the same thing hundreds and thousands of years before your Jesus this is fact. You denying that fact is a lie. Where is the evidence Jesus existed? Where is the evidence he rose again? There is none – except the gospels – written decades after the event by annomous authors which claim there was eyewitnesses but does so much as reference a single source.
    Where was Jesus’s tomb? Don’t you think the Christians would have remembered where their God lay for three days and acended to heaven? Why was there no eyewitness accounts of the hundreds of people Jesus is said to have appeared to after his resurrection? Maybe because these stories are made up? Everything I say is backed up by reason and evidence, everything you say is bullshit.

  44. Ron says:

    Atheists seek to prove that there is no God and specially go after Jesus. If that fails, then they try to say that Jesus never existed.

    If that fails, then they try to say that if he existed then he was a mere man or even perhaps a madman.

    If that fails, then they try to say that he was never crucified or never rose from the dead and never did any miracles.

    If that fails, then they try to say that if he was crucified then he was a criminal.

    If that fails then they say that he never told those words of forgiveness, love, sacrifice, salvation etc.

    If that fails, then they say that he plagiarised/borrowed those words from others. (There is no other personality who has said those words. At least the internet search does not yield any results)

    If that fails and they cannot give the exact source or quotation, then they say that some obscure scholars who are not named say that Jesus borrowed those words. There might be some atheists scholars but we have no one mentioned here specifically.

    If they cannot back it up, then they say that all religious people lie.

    Let the readers decide themselves

  45. Steve says:

    Ron

    “Nice try. Your link to Greek ancients is NOT what Jesus says. Read and re-read again. It is just not there.” Christian ethics and philosophy is heavily influenced by the Ancient Greek philosophies – this is an undisputed fact accepted by all scholars.

    “But It still does not match up to what Jesus teaching are which are more defined and evidently morally superior and prescriptive as it says that if someone hits you on your cheek, then you offer the other cheek. Bless him even if he is cursing you” The teachings of all those religions/philosophies say exactly or essentially exactly the same thing. Like all religious people you lie to defend you belief.

  46. Ron says:

    Nice try. Your link to Greek ancients is NOT what Jesus says. Read and re-read again. It is just not there.

    The other link does have a saying which is somewhat close as it says that for hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by love, this is an eternal rule.

    But It still does not match up to what Jesus teaching are which are more defined and evidently morally superior and prescriptive as it says that if someone hits you on your cheek, then you offer the other cheek. Bless him even if he is cursing you. Forgive him even as your Father in heaven forgives you. Jesus statement is prescriptive and morally superior. It is unchanging and is applicable for eternity even as Ali Sina claims.

    Never embellish the truth. Christ is the way, the truth and life.
    May the peace of Christ be with you.

  47. Steve says:

    Ron

    As a Christian you are in denial of reality. Many religions and philosophies spoke of loving enemies, returning hate with love etc. Such teachings are found in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism, confucianism, and so on. All of this hundreds and thousands of years before your Jesus (if he existed at all). Proof http://www.unification.net/ws/theme144.htm
    Its also a well know fact that christian philosophy was heavily influenced by the philosophies of Ancient Greece. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Hellenistic_philosophy

  48. Ron says:

    @steve,
    As an atheist you are always in denial of Christ and his teachings.

    Please show the reference where unconditional forgiveness, bless those who curse you, bless your enemies, turn the other check, even looking at a woman with lust is like committing adultery etc was stated by Greeks before Christ.

  49. Steve says:

    Ron said
    “Christ came about 2000 years ago. He preached love and unconditional forgiveness which has been morally superior to anything ever said before and till now or even in the future. It is difficult to even contemplate anything to surpass his standards of morality.” Actually those teachings can be found in the ancient Greeks – Christianity or Jesus did not invent them. Look it up its a fact acknowledged by all scholars. So stop preaching bullshit.

  50. Ron says:

    This is an awesome testimony of a RSS leader, Chief priest of Hindu Temple, Double Doctorate and Double Gold medallist in Sanskrit and Hindu Scriptures from Benares Hindu University who converted to Christianity when he had a dramatic encounter with Jesus.

    Only Christ can change you for the good, no matter what situation you are in, no matter what prejudice and hate you may have built up in you.

    Politicians across the world are 99% atheists and only use religion, hatred and nationalism as a tool to garner votes. People who buy into their indoctrination and become hateful are used by them.

    Hear why and how this very highly educated, Hindu priest converted

  51. Ron says:

    @Truth Seeker

    The New Testament clearly teaches that Jesus claimed to be God. The Bible also affirms the deity of Christ. This is evident in a variety of ways. First, Jesus claimed to be equal with God. He could forgive sin, something only God could do (Mark 2:5). Jesus claimed power to raise the dead (John 5:25-29). He claimed to be honored as God (John 5:18, 23) as well as to be equal with the Father (John 10:30).

    Second, Jesus claimed to be the great “I Am.” John 8:58 states, “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.’” This “I Am” reference is made in connection with Exodus 3:14 where God revealed His name to Moses as “I Am.” Jesus’ statement, then, is a biblical claim for the deity of Christ.

    Third, Jesus claimed to be Yahweh God, the same God of Israel from the Old Testament. This included His claim to have eternal glory with the Father (John 17:5), His claim to be the first and the last (Revelation 1:17), His claim to be judge of all humanity (John 5:27), His claim to be the Good Shepherd (John 10:11), His claim to be the Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1; Isaiah 62:5), and His claim to be the light of the world (John 8:12; Psalm 27:1).

    Fourth, Jesus also claimed to be the Messiah God. This is evident in many of the titles attributed to Him in the Old Testament that are referred to in the New Testament. These include reference to Jesus as God (Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8), Lord (Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:43-44), Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9 and Mark 14:61-64), and as Messiah (John 4:26). These references affirm the biblical deity of Christ.

    Fifth, Jesus accepted worship as God. Though the Old Testament commanded not to worship anyone but God alone, Jesus accepted worship on many occasions. Some of these included the healed leper who worshipped Him (Matthew 8:2), the ruler who knelt before Jesus after his son had been healed (Matthew 9:18), the Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:25), the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20), and a demon-possessed man (Mark 5:6). The disciples even prayed to Jesus (Acts 7:59) and in His name (John 14:6; 15:7).

    Sixth, Jesus’ followers recognized Jesus as God. They called Him God on multiple occasions (John 20:28; Colossians 2:9), referred to Jesus by other names used only of deity, such as Savior of the world (John 4:42), and prayed to or worshiped Jesus as part of the Godhead (Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). John taught He was with God in the beginning as “the word” and that “the word was God” (John 1:1).

    While the New Testament never makes the direct statement “Jesus is God,” it is clear that He is referred to as deity in a variety of ways. Colossians 2:9 confirms, “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.” (See also Philippians 2:6). Those who claim Jesus never referred to Himself as God deny many clear statements in Scripture (such as John 14:6). The deity of Jesus is biblical. Jesus is God, the second person of the Triune Godhead, consisting of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

  52. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFu**ER”:

    I actually did NOT express hatred; I only expressed truthful statements.

    If a “Hindu” wants to worship Jesus Christ, “Hinduism” doesn’t prohibit him/her to do so.

    “Hinduism” says, EKAM SAT VIPRA BAHUDHA VADANTI — “that which exists is One: Sages call it by various names!!!

    “Hinduism” is unlike your fu**ing Christianity that says if you don’t believe in “Jesus Fu**ing Christ” you go straight to hell as Christian MotherFu**ers like yourself have already made Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran Islamic hell-holes.

    “Hinduism” says:

    Plants and trees live, birds and beasts live; but, the one really lives is the one who lives by reflection.

    So, if a “Hindu” decides to live by the reflection of Lord Jesus Christ or Lord Buddha or Guru Nanak or Teacher Confucius or Master Lao-Tzu, “Hinduism” doesn’t deprive him or her from doing so.

  53. Ron says:

    This Hindu man burnt Bibles and hated Christianity with more animosity even greater than that expressed by Face_the_truth in his posts. He literally burnt and beat up Christians. Yet he found Jesus when and it changed him totally.

    Bro.Ram Babu – Ex-Hindu Brahman Testimony

  54. Ron says:

    @Truthseeker
    //When this Christ named man came on earth? What has he said which was not open to people earlier? Who was the way to God for the people before his arrival? How it was confirmed he was a God//

    Christ came about 2000 years ago. He preached love and unconditional forgiveness which has been morally superior to anything ever said before and till now or even in the future. It is difficult to even contemplate anything to surpass his standards of morality.

    Look at the below teaching in Matthew 5:43-45
    43You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

    Reconcile with your brother before coming to pray to God in Matthew 5:23
    23Therefore if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.…

    Do not even look at women with lust in Matthew 5:28
    27You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    Love God first and secondly love your neighbour (Neighbour could be even your enemy or even an unknown stranger or people who hate you as described in the Jesus story about the Samaritan) in Mark 12: 30-31

    30and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”

    Of all the historical persons who walked on this planet, Jesus is the only one who did the following:

    Jesus gave life to dead people
    Jesus cured the sick, blind, deaf, mute, paralysed, lepers instantly.
    Jesus exorcised demons from possessed people and freed them from bondage.

    Jesus did lot of other miracles of multiplying food, walking on water,
    Jesus said that He will die, rise up again after 3 days. (He precisely did that).
    Jesus proclaimed on many occasions that he was the son of God (will send that in next post)

  55. Face_The_Truth says:

    Ron the Christian MotherFu**ER says: “Jesus said to bless those who curse you.”

    Face_The_Truth says: I don’t know whether your fictitious “Jesus” told you to commit suicide very early too!!!

    WHY don’t you talk about Joshua Ben-Joseph who was born a Jew, lived as a Jew and died on the Cross as a Jew where Middle Eastern Jews did not like their own folk?

    Joshua Ben-Joseph was named “Jesus” by the Greeks. THAT’S YOUR TRUE CHRISTIAN HISTORY.

    Ron the Christian MotherFu**ER says: Time in History is being measured on His birth.

    Face_The_Truth says: “Hindus” do not have timelines of their ancestry because medieval Muslim Turk invaders and medieval Muslim Arab invaders burned all books or handwritten documents after each successful Islamic invasion of various parts of Indian subcontinent.

    That’s WHY Christian motherfu**ers like you keep on saying that “Hindus” have no written history to this day.

    British Christian imperialists sided with Muslims to constantly say that everything that was good and glorious in Indian subcontinent was done by Muslim invaders!!!

    For examples, British Christian imperialists said, “Taje Mahal” and “Red Fort” were the masterful creations of Muslim invaders with all physical evidences to the contrary.

    In order to commit Christian sexual perversions, British Christian imperialists used to keep pretty “Hindu” girls as concubines during their tours of Christian duties in Indian subcontinent from 1757 A.D. to 1947 A.D.

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFu**ER”:

    WHY don’t you talk about Joshua Ben-Joseph who was born a Jew, lived as a Jew and died on the Cross as a Jew where Middle Eastern Jews did not like their own folk? THAT’S YOUR TRUE CHRISTIAN HISTORY.

    WHY don’t you talk about Christian settlers raping and murdering Native American Indians in America? THAT’S YOUR TRUE CHRISTIAN HISTORY.

    WHY don’t you talk about Christian slave-traders who used to bring in African Blacks to the Americas for economic and sexual exploitation? THAT’S YOUR TRUE CHRISTIAN HISTORY.

    U.S. President George Bush II was a born-again-Christian who invaded Iraq for oil and the outcome of that born-again-Christian’s greed and perversion was only death and destruction of all and everything to this day. THAT’S YOUR TRUE CHRISTIAN HISTORY.

    U.S. Christian President Lyndon Johnson invaded Vietnam and American Christian soldiers used to rape and torture to death Vietnamese girls for the holy Christian pleasure every day and night. AND, THAT’S THE TRUE CHRISTIAN HISTORY.

    U.S. Christian President Ronald Wilson Reagan aided Afghan Muslims to make Afghanistan an Islamic hell-hole forever! THAT’S THE TRUE CHRISTIAN HISTORY.

    U.S. Christian Presidents side with Saudi Arabia where beheading, stoning and medieval Islamic brutality go on unnoticed by world’s Christians; because, world’s Christians love Muslims and Muslims keep on fu**ing every non-Muslim with the financial and military assistances from Christian motherfu**ers like yourself.

    Christianity can easily be summed up with greed, perversion and sexual exploitation of non-Christians while Christians motherfu**ers like yourself do very quickly unite with Muslim bastards in Islamic rampage on non-Muslims throughout the world.

    LINK for Islamic sex-slave market:

    http://www.teaparty.org/virgin-beautiful-yazidi-girls-sold-islamic-states-online-sex-market-174858/

    LINK for Christian-Muslim pedophilia business:

    http://www.infowars.com/the-eu-a-powerhouse-pedophile-hierarchy/

  56. Ron says:

    @Face_The_Truth

    Jesus said to bless those who curse you. So I can just say that may you be blessed with the love and peace of Christ which ONLY can remove the deep indoctrinated vitriolic hatred for fellow humans you have in you which is evident in the expletives you use.

  57. Truth Seeker says:

    @ron

    When this Christ named man came on earth? What has he said which was not open to people earlier? Who was the way to God for the people before his arrival? How it was confirmed he was a God?

  58. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFu**ER”:

    We all know that Islam’s founder Muhammad ibn Abd’Allah was a notorious pedophile in his days in Arabian Peninsula.

    Why don’t you talk about Christian pedophiles?

    Is that because Islam and Christianity are intertwined with pedophilia from top to bottom?

    Here’s a LINK for you.

    http://www.infowars.com/the-eu-a-powerhouse-pedophile-hierarchy/

  59. Face_The_Truth says:

    “Only Christ can remove this pent up anger and hate within you. You will then start loving humans irrespective of their faith, caste, orientation, race, status, ethnicity.”

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFu**ER”:

    So, keep on loving Muslims and Muslims will fu*k your Christian mother and your Christian sister(s) extremely well and sell your Christian mother and your Christian sister(s) in the Islamic markets for sexual slavery.

    Then, you will certainly realize Joshua Ben-Joseph in your heart extremely well without a doubt.

    By the way, WHY don’t you talk about British Christian imperialists in Indian subcontinent who used to rape and torture “Hindu” females along with their Muslim counterparts?

    By the way, WHY don’t you talk about Christian settlers raping and murdering Native American Indians in America?

    By the way, WHY don’t you talk about Christian slave-traders who used to bring in African Blacks to the Americas for economic and sexual exploitation? That’s the true history.

    By the way, WHY don’t you talk about Joshua Ben-Joseph who was born a Jew, lived as a Jew and died on the Cross as a Jew where Middle Eastern Jews did not like their own folk? That’s your true history.

    Do you think world’s 7 billion people are all just stupid Christians like yourself who will say nice words but keep on doing Christian perversions?

    U.S. President George Bush II was a born-again-Christian who invaded Iraq for oil and the outcome of that born-again-Christian’s greed and perversion was only death and destruction of all and everything to this day.

    U.S. Christian President Lyndon Johnson invaded Vietnam and American Christian soldiers used to rape and torture to death Vietnamese girls for their Christian holy pleasures every day and night. And, that’s the true Christian history!

    U.S. Christian President Ronald Wilson Reagan aided Afghan Muslims to make Afghanistan an Islamic hell-hole forever!

    U.S. Christian Presidents side with Saudi Arabia where beheading, stoning and Islamic brutality go on unnoticed by world’s Christians; because, world’s Christians love Muslims and Muslims keep on fu**ing every non-Muslim with the financial and military aids from Christians like yourself.

    Christianity can easily be summed up with greed, perversion and sexual exploitation of non-Christians while Christians motherfu**ers like yourself do very quickly unite with Muslim bastards in Islamic rampage on non-Muslims throughout the world.

  60. Ron says:

    Jesus Christ is the greatest personality who walked on this planet. He was born, lived, died and rose again.
    His teachings are counter cultural (extremely positive) to such an extent that it will change you.

    Time in History is being measured on His birth. The Gospels (NT in Bible) are the largest translated book in the whole world and is the highest bestseller since the invention of the printing presses.

    It is the largest translated book in the world and is available in the all main scripted languages of all the countries of the world. Also it is in Braille in most languages where the script is Brailised.

    It is the only scripture uttered outside the planet (i.e. on the moon). Jesus has the largest amount of followers in the world

    90% of the homes for the lepers, Aids, destitute in the world are run by Christians where in 90% of the inmates/patients are non-Christians (predominantly Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Animists, etc.)

    Christ is the way, the truth and life.

  61. Tr. says:

    @Ron
    Always
    Christ, Christ, Christ who was this Christ?

  62. Ron says:

    @Face_The_Truth et al.

    You need the peace of Christ which surpasses all understanding. If you seek Christ, you will surely find Him.

    Christ alone can change you and remove this hatred for fellow humans (irrespective of their faith or no faith).

    Hate indoctrination results in violent outbursts, foul-mouthedness and liberal use of expletives and animosity. We are all made in the image of God and Jesus said Love your neighbour as you love yourself. Jesus further said “But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you.

    Only Christ can remove this pent up anger and hate within you. You will then start loving humans irrespective of their faith, caste, orientation, race, status, ethnicity.

    You will feel intense compassion for the needy, homeless, destitute, sick, widows, orphans etc. irrespective of their faith.

    Many jihadists have accepted Christ and renounced hate. See the video below from jihad to Jesus.

    From Jihad to Jesus

  63. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for “Ron the Christian MotherFU**er”:

    Didn’t your favorite Buddhist cults in modern day territories of Afghanistan and Bangladesh practice “Ahimsa” during Medieval Period instead of fighting Muslim Turk and Muslim Arab invaders from settling in modern day territories of Afghanistan and Bangladesh during Medieval Period?

    Then, it appears that Buddhist cults had preferences when it came to fighting off Muslim invaders.

  64. Face_The_Truth says:

    Ron says:
    “It is extremely difficult to love your enemies without having Christ and his Holy Spirit in you.”

    Did I ever ask you to tell me whether it is extremely difficult or moderately difficult???

    “The Laws and teachings of Jesus do transcend time and are eternal.”

    NO. THEY DO NOT.

    Every principle on earth and in the universe depends on Sthan- Kaal-Patra (i.e., Place, Time and Person) and Sthan-Kaal-Patra came from the observers who came on earth long before your Joshua Ben-Joseph or your Muhammad ibn Abd’Allah came to teach their bull$hits on earth.

    “When you respond hate with love it does change the perpetrator of hate but it may take time.”

    Only a stupid MOTHERFU**ER like you who tend to think like that.

    So, go teach your FU**ING stupidity to Muslim Jihadists so that Muslim bastards will not cut off your head from your shoulders!!!

    “Martin Luther King changed the racial segregation laws using the principles of Jesus.”

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., changed nothing!!!

    Go and talk to your “Black Lives Matter” activists.

    “So did MK Gandhi who borrowed a lot from the Bible and practised and preached non-violence.”

    And, that’s WHY British stooge M.K. Gandhi is considered the most insidious traitor Bharat Rashtra has ever seen and ever had.

    “…We walked night and day. There were men and women of all ages and all conditions. Many could not stand the strain. They — mostly women and children — were left on the road. I reached a place called Fazilka, in Indian territory, and discovered that another refugee column in which my father and other relatives had set out had fared much worse.

    They had been attacked by Muslim mobs on their way: Only 40 or 50 had survived out of 400 or 500 and even these were in hospitals. My aunt had been killed, more than a hundred girls were abducted, and my father rescued from a heap of the dead.”

    “…While in Fazilka, we saw other refugee columns coming in; one of them he says was ‘forty miles long’, and in another marched ” five hundred women who had been stripped naked… …I saw women with their breasts, noses, ears and cheeks cut… …one of them told me how her child was roasted and she was asked to partake of the same… …another was ravished in the presence of her husband who was kept tied to a tree.”

    — Stated Under Oath By Madan Lal Pahwa During M.K. Gandhi Murder Trial

    “Gandhi is quoted to have said ‘I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.’”

    British stooge Barrister M.K. Gandhi was a FU**ING stupid like yourself.

    “Many Hindus in India are being indoctrinated in hating Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, etc. by politicians and Hindu religious leaders. This is tactic used by politicians all over the world to gain votes and power.”

    YOU SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW INDIAN SUBCONTINENT AND STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT MOTHERFU**ERS LIKE YOU DO NOT SIMPLY KNOW.

    “The Nazis used it to hate Jews etc. Mussolini used to hate the Africans.”

    Nazis were Christians, mostly Catholics.

    Italian fascists were Catholics as well.

    “The old Democrats in US used hate against Blacks to get white votes (Now it is reversed as they use entitlement to get black votes).”

    Go and talk to Democrats in America.

    I do NOT need your FU**ING advice.

    “In Sri Lanka the Buddhists use it against the minority Hindus.”

    How come Buddhist cults hate “Hindus”???

    Shouldn’t Buddhist cults practice “Ahimsa” instead???

    “The politicians will always sell dreams of a resurgent, greater and prosperous nation if these minorities who are roadblocks are eliminated or marginalised.”

    DO NOT GIVE ME GENERALIZATION.

    “Love your neighbour as yourself (whether he is Atheist, First Nations, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or Pagans) is the best solution to hate.”

    So, go to Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya and practice your Christian BULL$HITS with Muslim Jihadists and Muslim bastards will take a good care of your Christian head and rape your Christian mother and your Christian sister(s) extremely well before selling your Christian mother and your Christian sister(s) in the Islamic slave-markets.

    LINK

    http://www.teaparty.org/virgin-beautiful-yazidi-girls-sold-islamic-states-online-sex-market-174858/

  65. Ron says:

    It is extremely difficult to love your enemies without having Christ and his Holy Spirit in you. The Laws and teachings of Jesus do transcend time and are eternal.

    When you respond hate with love it does change the perpetrator of hate but it may take time. Martin Luther King changed the racial segregation laws using the principles of Jesus. So did MK Gandhi who borrowed a lot from the Bible and practised and preached non-violence.

    Gandhi is quoted to have said “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

    Many Hindus in India are being indoctrinated in hating Muslims, Christians, Sikhs etc. by politicians and Hindu religious leaders. This is tactic used by politicians all over the world to gain votes and power.

    The Nazis used it to hate Jews etc. Mussolini used to hate the Africans. The old Democrats in US used hate against Blacks to get white votes (Now it is reversed as they use entitlement to get black votes). In Sri Lanka the Buddhists use it against the minority Hindus.

    The politicians will always sell dreams of a resurgent, greater and prosperous nation if these minorities who are roadblocks are eliminated or marginalised.

    Love your neighbour as yourself (whether he is Atheist, First Nations, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or Pagans) is the best solution to hate.

  66. Face_The_Truth says:

    Ali Sina’s comment that “Love Your Neighbor” is valid concerning all place, time and person is not a prudent idea according to “Hindu” religion (i.e., ancient religion of Bharat Rashtra).

    If my neighbors are murderous Muslim bastards, only a traitor like British stooge M.K. Gandhi — who was influenced by British Christian intellectuals — will advise me to love murderous Muslim bastards!

    So, Ali Sina forgets place, time and person when he says something like Biblical principles are always good for eternity.

    Scientists tell us that the way the Sun radiates at every moment, it will last approximately 10 billion more years from now on while everyone of us on this FaithFreedom.Org website will not live to see 2116 A.D.

    So, our concept of eternity is also limited in our size and scope.

  67. The laws of Jesus are spiritual in nature as such they don’t have to change as society changes. All the laws of Christ are good for eternity because they transcend time. Love thy neighbor is valid in medieval society as it is in modern metropolitan societies and I have no reason to believe it won’t be valid a million years from now.

  68. //The alternative would be to ban new ideas and protect the old ones by force. Societies operating under Islamic laws follow this latter model. The laws are given by a deity and no one can change them//
    A pertinent question arises. How Christianity differs from Islam as laws in Christianity are also given by a deity. I do not know whether Jesus attempted a form of dialectic, but certainly he confronted the violent versus in the Old Testament. A few examples are given below.
    “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder’ but I say to you, that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of judgement. Whoever says ‘You fool’ shall be in danger of hell fire.”
    “You have heard that it was said to those of old ‘You shall not commit adultery’. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart”
    “You have heard that it was said ‘An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth’. But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.”
    Apart from confronting the Old Testament laws I think Jesus found a short cut to evolve societies based on loving caring and serving humanity. Some of His parables and statements can be considered.
    1. Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples. ( John 13:35)
    2. The Son of M did not come to be served but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many.(Mathew 20:28)
    3. A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you. (John 13:34)
    4. Love your neighbour as you love yourself.
    5. There is no greater love than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friend )John 15:13)
    Thus Jesus became the embodiment of love by giving His life for us at Calvary. Many societies, communities, organisations, groups, evolve from the teachings and examples of Jesus.

  69. Ron says:

    Ali,
    Your article is very well written. In this complex world of ours it is difficult to discern the truth and reminds me of Churchill who said ““In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.”
    We may or may not be in wartime depending on your definition of war.

    You can certainly say that there exists a state of war for the minds and souls of people both in the physical realms as well as in the spiritual realms.

    Sandy Hook may not be a conspiracy or perpetrated incident as pointed out in your link but it is certainly an incident which is being actively used to galvanize repeal of the Second Amendment.

    The further you move from Christ and move towards secularism, liberalism, materialism, atheism or other theisms you are going into unchartered territory and the attacks on personal liberty, the unborn, the old and sick will increase.

    I agree with you totally on the jang-e-zargari description as most non-banking money-exchange shops in Turkey, North Africa, Middle East are run by Iranians and jang-e-zargari does take place.

  70. This article is Ali Sina’s masterpiece

  71. A HIndu says:

    Yes, Ali Sina is true messenger of God. In Hinduism style I will say he is a Rishi ( A Rishi most purified soul).

  72. asstacom says:

    Dear Ali Sina,

    You are the true messenger of God, not the false messenger of that blood-thirsty Allah. You were a Muslim, and God, in his divine mystery, has chosen you from the misguided Muslim communities to be a shining star and a witness to the entire Muslim world that the Quran is not a revealed book that should be banned or burned down.

    You have clearly told us in this scholarly written article of yours the deception of Islam and its eternal hatred toward the non-Muslim world and why some western leaders, such as Angela Merkel, David Cameron, Barack Hussein Obama, and others have willingly allowed millions of young Muslims to invade the civilized world and to destroy the Judeo-Christianity values.

    However, God has never forgotten the sufferings of the non-Muslims. Case in point: the Angela Merkel’s and David Cameron’s EU is crumbling, and the Obama Hussein America is ready to eject Mr. Obama from the White House and replace him with the most honest, self-confident, inspiring, and antiestablishment person – Donald John Trump, Sr.

    Let us hope and pray Donald Trump will be the President of the United States of America, and then we will find out why the Muslims hate us and kill us. Obama has refused to tell us the main problem we have had with the Islamic world, and he doesn’t let us say “radical Islamist terrorists.” I have no idea why he has been protecting radical Muslims and ignoring Christians and Jews. And I was very disappointed when I saw him endorsing a criminal and a “crooked” Hilary Clinton to be his successor.

  73. This internet is a great find to be clear about many things or at least seek clarity. Dr Ali Sina has opened many eyes by his dedicated works. This process (realisation of people) should grow exponentially for the benefit of human kind..

  74. Phoenix says:

    The other cherished victim class of the Left known as Black Lives Matter (BLM), decided to label the Orlando Shooting as a white hate crime against blacks.

    The ridiculously insane BLM had this to say: We will fight for you. We will not allow a false narrative of “Islamic terrorism” to be dictated by white supremacists and corporate media. We know it was bullets and bigotry that killed you

    Yep, you can’t make up this stuff. It was a jar full of bigotry and bullets that killed those gays and not muslim terrorists.
    These black racists can say and do just as they please with zero criticisms from the Left.

  75. Phoenix says:

    The Left does not tolerate dissent from the Gay community.

    Some Gay Voters Say It’s ‘Dangerous’ to Come Out for Trump

    Gays have been victims of violent assaults as well as victims of doxxing (cyber-terrorism which damages the individual’s identity) by the Left for merely expressing opposing views.

  76. Ali Sina says:

    @Moin

    I left Islam after reading the Quran. But decided to dedicate my life to get rid of Islam after I saw a Pakistani girl burned by her husband. This is the story http://alisina.org/?p=1353

  77. moin says:

    dear ali sina. what realy made u an apostate. I read it before but dont remember.. I has something to do witha dying girl if I am not wrong

  78. Walter Sieruk says:

    The above article explains that “It is clear Islam is incompatible with democracy, with human rights, with women’s rights, with children rights…” Before those true words that same article also reads “Take the example of the Muslim crisis.” There is indeed, Muslim crisis .To be specific about one of the many Muslims crisis’s is the terrible hardship of the Iranian people who are trapped in the tyrannical Islamic regime. Many of the people who have to exist in the Islamic tyranny of the mullahs and other oppressors in power in Iran are Muslims. This harsh Islamic rule of the rogue state of Iran which so falsely and inappropriately has the word “Republic ” in it’s title is an affront to all the is good and right. As for the history of Islamic dictatorship , a small glance of it is as follows. What is called the “Iranian Revolution” turned out to be a hoax. Ayatollah Khomeini before achieving power in Iran in his lying and deceptions presented himself to the Iranian people as if he was someone who would be in power would give freedom to the people of Iran with any tyranny. The reality turned out to be just the opposite. As explained by a former Muslim as well as a man who took part in this Islamic “revolution “ ,who is now a Christian informs the reader of his book that “Prior to the Revolution no one ever imagined that other political parties would be suppressed under the rule of Ayatollah Khomeini. He had promised that all groups would have freedom to run their own campaigns after the Revolution. He even stated that governing system would be based on the decision of the people via a referendum. He never spoke of a system that would be governed by Islam. He even made clear that mullahs would not take part in any political activities, and that they would only be allowed to teach spirituality… Immediately after the Revolution, mullahs rushed into government offices to occupy the most important political l positions, making it difficult for the interim secular government to function … The mullah’s occupation of position was exactly the opposite to what the Ayatollah Khomeini had promised before the Revolution.”. [1] In other words, the insincere, disingenuous and outright lying Ayatollah Khomeini made many bogus promise he really had no intention of keeping. His lying deception worked, for he achieved great power in Iran. Furthermore, of the many heinously evils outcome s of that Islamic “revolution” is the extremely cruel, brutal and demonic misogyny of this hideous Islamic regime. Not only against women but even young girls. As explained by a former Iranian Revolutionary Guard member who defected to the West and how now lives in America his book also informs the reader about the malicious and murderous affront girls in Iran’s Evin prison which reads that those in power ,the “paraded teenage girls in front in front of me as they led them to their deaths. These girls were barely out of their childhood, barely old enough to think of themselves, much less form thoughts against the state. They knew nothing about the machinations of politics. They were innocent in every sense of the word and certainty innocent of trumped –up charges that led to their imprisonment. Yet they suffered fates too brutal for even the most vicious criminal. ..Their few remaining moments of life had been filled with the level of abuse that few can imagine…The author further states “They tortured and killed young girls, in God’s name and before their execution they raped them because they believed that if a girl dies virgin, she will go to heaven, and they wanted to deny them this reward.” [2] This is as malice -filled and viciously wicked as can possibly be. This, very much, reflects the Wisdom found in the Bible which in Proverbs 15:15. For it reads “All the days of the oppressed are wretched. “ and likewise Proverbs 29:2. Which teaches “When the wicked rule, the people groan. “ [N.I.V.]

    [1] ISLAM : THE HOUSE I LEFT BEHIND by Daniel Shayesteh . Pages 90, 91
    [2] A TIME TO BETRAY by Reza Kahlili. Pages 2,3. 117

  79. Phoenix says:

    19 year old attempts to assassinate Trump

    It’s the first of its kind but the Left will make sure it’s not the last.

  80. anonymous says:

    Ali I just read on your twitter that you wished you had never came to this world. I just wanted you to know that your coming to this world made a huge difference in my life.
    God bless

  81. Ri-Jutak Jaluit says:

    Sir, or may I call you Ali, if it;s alright with you? I have read a lot of of your articles and debates for several years now and I must say this is by far the most eye-opening, as well as mind-boggling one to date. That is why for the first time I’m commenting. Ali your sites are blessings to the world and I applaud and honor you with the highest regards. I pray for you and your family and I profess to the entire world to all logical-minded people to stand and support the cause. The world needs more people like you. God bless!!!

    Ri-Jutak
    From the Marshall Islands

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