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SkewitontheBarbie



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:49 am    Post subject: More On Timur Reply with quote

Timur was from what is now Uzbekistan, he was born about 60 miles south of Samarkand. He was a turk, not a mongol.

He first pillaged Russia, afghanistan, persia, ME, and anatolia. After this he was quite rich. But he decided to go on a pillage into India for the sole purpose of killing infidels/polytheists/kaffirs/pagans.

He had to choose between China and India, and he choose India.

http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_malfuzat_frameset.htm

This site has excerpts from his memoirs, Tuzak-i-Timuri. I will post the passages where he describes his mission, as it will clearly show a true muslim who was following the Koran to the letter.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks a lot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"About this time there arose in my heart the desire to lead an expedition against the infidels, and to become a ghazi (a holy warrior); for it had reached my ears that the slayer of infidels is a ghazi, and if he is slain he becomes a martyr. It was on this account that I formed this resolution, but I was undetermined in my mind whether I should direct my expedition against the infidels of China or against the infidels and polytheists of India. In this matter I sought an omen from the Kuran, and the verse I opened upon was this, 'O Prophet, make war upon infidels and unbelievers and treat them with severity'; "

"My great officers told me that the inhabitants of Hindustan were infidels and unbelievers. In obedience to the order of Almighty God I determined on an expedition against them...."

"....Prince Muhammad Sultan said, '........Now, since the inhabitants are chiefly polytheists and infidels and idolaters and worshipers of the sun, by the order of God and his prophet, it is right for us to conquer them..' "

"....I said to them (his amirs), 'My object in the invasion of Hindustan is to lead an expedition against the infidels that, according to the law of Muhammad (upon whom and his family be [p. 11] the blessing and peace of God), we pray convert to the true faith the people of that country and purify the land itself from the filth of infidelity and polytheism; and that we may overthrow their temples and idols and become ghazis and mujahids before God.' "


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"....they (the amirs) gave it as their opinion that it is the duty of the Sultan of Islam, and all the people who profess that “there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah,” for the sake of preserving their religion and strengthening their law, to exert their utmost endeavour for the suppression of the enemies of their faith...."

"....By the will of God, and by no wish or direction of mine, all the three cities of Delhi, by name Siri, Jahan- panah, and Old Dehli, had been plundered...."

"....I had been at Delhi fifteen days, which time I had passed in pleasure and enjoyment, holding royal Courts and giving great feasts. I then reflected that I had come to Hindustan to war against infidels, and my enterprize had been so blessed that wherever I had gone I had been victorious....I had put to death some lacs of infidels and idolaters.....I had stained my proselyting sword with the blood of the enemies of the faith. Now this crowning victory had been won, and I felt that I ought not to indulge in ease, but rather to exert myself in warring against the infidels of Hindustan.....I again drew my sword to wage a religious war"
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The Hindu infidels worship the Ganges, and once every year they come on pilgrimage to this place8 which they consider the source of the river, to bathe and to have their heads and beards shaved. They believe these acts to be the means of obtaining salvation and securing future reward. They dispense large sums in charity among those who wear the Brahmanical thread, and they throw money into the river. When infidels die in distant parts, their bodies are burned, and the ashes are brought to this river and are thrown into it. This they look upon as a means of sanctification. When I learned these facts, I resolved to war against the infidels of this place, so that I might obtain the merit of overthrowing them."

"I had crossed the rivers Ganges and Jumna, and I had sent many of the abominable infidels to hell, and had purified the land from their foul existence. I rendered thanks to Almighty God that I had accomplished my undertaking, and had waged against the infidels that holy war I had resolved upon..."
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"....I replied: 'My principal object in coming to Hindustan, and in undergoing all this toil and hardship, has been to accomplish two things. The first was to war with the infidels, the enemies of the Muhammadan religion; and by this religious warfare to acquire some claim to reward in the life to come. The other was a worldly object; that the army of Islam might gain something by plundering the wealth and valuables of the infidels: plunder in war is as lawful as their mothers’ milk to Musulmans who war for their faith, and the consuming of that which is lawful is a means of grace.' ...."
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_indian_hist_frameset.htm

This is a solid site on historical records of muslim invasions, however it could have a loooot more.

IF you have the time and really want to learn the whole history, you have to read this:

The History of India as Told by its own Historians. The Posthumous Papers of the Late Sir H. M. Elliot. John Dowson, ed. 1st ed. 1867. 2nd ed., Calcutta: Susil Gupta, 1956

I think its about 24 volumes of historical records. They were translated from persian to english by Elliot. I know I can find these at my library, however it'll probably take a whole lot of time to read these, so i will do that in a year or so when I am free. For now, gotta find it from the internet.
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Circle of Heaven



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2002 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much. I never had the slightest idea....
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2002 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Circle of Heaven wrote:

Thanks so much. I never had the slightest idea....
the hindu genocide is the worst in the worlds history,

between 1000 and 1500 ad alone, it is estimated that 80 million hindus were killed.

of course the count is just an estimate, and it does not include the number of hindus killed before or after this time period.
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