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Egyptian Kafir
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 Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:58 pm Post subject: Allah allowes having sex with pre-puberty kids..evidence. |
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"Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy. " (65:4 )
The English translation is masking the real meaning that is so clear in Arabic
The Quran plainly says:
واللائي لم يحضن" فعدتهن ثلاثة أشهر
"and those who never had menses" (because they are underage)
http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=GALALEEN&nType=1&nSora=65&nAya=4
"The prescribed period" is the period that a Muslim female has to wait before marrying another.
and the quran is talking about the length of this period here, stating that it should be three months, whether she is young (before having any menstruation at all) or old ( after reaching menopause)
Still in denial? does not trust my translation ? eat this; Tafsir.com provides a summed up translated tafsir of the original tafsir ibn kathir
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The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses
Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His saying.
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http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=65&tid=54196
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so The verse is talking about the devorce status of those who are too younge to have menstruation , and that simply means that its ok to have sex with females who has not reached puberty !!
Still in denial? take this sahih Hadith explaining the verse by Mo Himself:
واللائي لم يحضن , فجعل عدتها ثلاثة أشهر قبل البلوغ ) أي فدل على أن نكاحها قبل البلوغ جائز
"and those who never had menses, their prescribed period is three months before puberty, which indicates that giving her into marriage before puberty is permissible "
http://hadith.al-islam.com/display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=7644
BEFORE SHE HITS PUBERTY !!!!! ALLAH THE ALL WISE AND MERCIFUL ALLOWS HAVING SEX WITH FEMALES WHO HAS NOT REACHED PUBERTY.
MUSLIMS...WAKE THE HELL UP...NO "GOD" CAN ORDER AND ALLOW THIS FILTH..MUHAMMAD HAS WRITTEN UP THE QURAN TO JUSTIFY HIS CRAVINGS AND LUSTS TO BE "ORDERS FROM GOD".
and ofcourse we can't forget about the "prophet of humanity' who took Aisha while playing with the swings !! obeying allah's holy "orders".
(article taken from another forum, translated , and added many points to) .
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adnan
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wow, amazing discovery !!
this confirms the child marraige of Aisha, and the "9 year old" hadiths! (Menj's 9 year old picture "Thia girl giving birth" is also dismissed)
Quran acknowledges marraige to girls who have not reached puberty! This puts things in a whole new light! |
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Milkshake
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| Exellent work and thinking EK, will be very useful in debating child marriages. Thank you! |
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Piggy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:54 am Post subject: Hope you don't mind EK |
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Hi Egyptian Kafir,
I took the liberty of sending a copy of your above, recent, post (about paedophilia) to the Australian anti-islam site, to spread this valuable information.
I hope you don't mind. |
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CroMagnon
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thanx, EK!
This confirms that Mufti Ebrahim was (islamically) right when he stated:
"There is no age limit to be intimate with one’s wife even if she is a minor."
Question 6737
http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6737
| Quote: | i would like to marry a woman who is 12 years old, her father and she has also agreed. What is your advise?
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i am 45 and married to already 15 years now after the sexual desire of my woman has nearly gone i am looking to marry again. And i would like to marry a woman who is 12 years old, her father and she has also agreed, my first wife told me that it could make problems if it will be a big different in age, and also some of my children are older than my second wife. What is your advise ? And is it allowed for me to have already sexual intercourse with these woman after we are married or to i have to wait till she reach at special age ?
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According to the Shari’ah, if a girl is a minor (did not attain puberty) , she may be given in marriage by her father. When she attains puberty, she has the right to maintain the marriage or discontinue the marriage. There is no age limit to be intimate with one’s wife even if she is a minor.
It is important for you, in your situation, to consider the age difference reservation expressed by your wife.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
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... poor girls... 
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Egyptian Kafir
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....muslims?
is this silence a sign of acceptence? 
If this so, then i have a little suggestion : Never ever DARE to suggest the islamic system and way of life as a great "morale" system that Gives the ideal soceity structure and keep your filth to youself , and never DARE to bash the secular western Solution and way of life and accuse it of "immorality" , atleast, child sexual abuse is severely punished .
Hey MENJ...I know you'r reading this...still insisting that Aisha MUST HAVE BEEN reached puberty when Mo had sex with her? she may not had reached puberty after all and yet Mo Was not doing a sin by shagging her !!!
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Spinoza
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Egyptian Kafir wrote: | ....muslims?
is this silence a sign of acceptence?
If this so, then i have a little suggestion : Never ever DARE to suggest the islamic system and way of life as a great "morale" system that Gives the ideal soceity structure and keep your filth to youself , and never DARE to bash the secular western Solution and way of life and accuse it of "immorality" , atleast, child sexual abuse is severely punished .
Hey MENJ...I know you'r reading this...still insisting that Aisha MUST HAVE BEEN reached puberty when Mo had sex with her? |
Maybe Menj is getting off on these stories about sex with young girls. It seems he has given on on responding to a few threads altogether. Of course he's still living in denial (denial ain't just a river in Egypt you know!) but I have this feeling that weeks or days from now Menj will stop visiting us altogether...
I could be mistaken though. |
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DoctorNO
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no, silence means the inability to fight. there are hundreds of millions of them out there and none could refute threads like this. even MENJ dared not enter discussions he could not hope to win or even out. he would rather bitch about his straw men in the relative safety of an irrelevant thread.
SUBMISSION IMPOSSIBLE! |
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Unknown 8
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Good post EK!
I noticed that when reading the Quran's translation by Darwish, which gives a clear indication that minors' marriages are allowed:
As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, then their waiting period is three months as well as those who have not yet menstruated. As for those who are pregnant, their term shall be the time they deliver their burden. Allah will ease (matters) by His order for whosoever fears Him. (Quran 65:4)
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abdullahnoor
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Hahaha! So the Egyptian Kafir, a native Arab speaker, who goofed on the words “hasira” and “riba” , now tries another one of his “lessons” on Arab linguistics - but goofs again!
I do not usually step into other people’s thread, but this one caught my eye.
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so The verse is talking about the devorce status of those who are too younge to have menstruation , and that simply means that its ok to have sex with females who has not reached puberty !!
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The above talks about divorce and its waiting period.
It was the culture then, to betroth a young girl to be married – and even be considered as married to a man before puberty. But that marriage will only consummate after her first menses.
Many hadiths bear testimony to Aisha’s marriage that she was married to Muhammad (p) before puberty, but only had her marriage consummated after puberty.
What sex before puberty?
So keep lying as you always have. Now back to your basic Arabic lessons.
Repeat after me –
Hasira does not mean undressing but uncovering.
Riba does not mean interest but increment.
Hasira does not mean undressing but uncovering.
Riba does not mean interest but increment.
Hasira does not mean undressing but uncovering.
Riba does not mean interest but increment.
Good boy. You may carry on sliming now.
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Egyptian Kafir
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Ah ..Slave, so you are back..trying to save your image after your latest scandal
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The above talks about divorce and its waiting period.
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Yes, the divorce waiting period of kids who did not reach puberty.
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It was the culture then, to betroth a young girl to be married – and even be considered as married to a man before puberty. But that marriage will only consummate after her first menses.
Many hadiths bear testimony to Aisha’s marriage that she was married to Muhammad (p) before puberty, but only had her marriage consummated after puberty.
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She is in DEVORCE status while she did not hit puberty yet, what does that tell, slave ? the Marriage has been already consumated while she did not hit puberty, there is no idda for the divorced wife in islamic marriages if the marriage was not consumated (dukhool).
PROOF :
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ABewley/Page53.html
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33.1e. No 'idda if the marriage has not been consummated.
A divorced woman whose marriage has not been consummated has no 'idda.
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In conclusion :
1- the cases we are talking about are pre-puberty females.
2- the verse states idda for them.
3- there is no idda for devorced wifes who has not been consumated the marriage.
4- therefore : the marriage has been consumated with them !
5- Thus : allah allows sex with pre puberty kids !!!
ohhh the shock! the embarassement! poor abd.
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Hasira does not mean undressing but uncovering.
Riba does not mean interest but increment.
Hasira does not mean undressing but uncovering.
Riba does not mean interest but increment.
Hasira does not mean undressing but uncovering.
Riba does not mean interest but increment.
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Now back to your basic Islamics lessons :
-Slavery was never banned and is fully allowed in islam.
-Slavery was never banned and is fully allowed in islam.
-Slavery was never banned and is fully allowed in islam.
-Egyptian kafir's lame "poem" is From the quran itself.
-Egyptian kafir's lame "poem" is From the quran itself.
-Egyptian kafir's lame "poem" is From the quran itself.
-I (abdullahnoor) will study islam more to avoid getting Humilated By kafirs like this.
-I (abdullahnoor) will study islam more to avoid getting Humilated By kafirs like this.
-I (abdullahnoor) will study islam more to avoid getting Humilated By kafirs like this.
now go back to your struggle in the evolution thread
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Spinoza
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Oh and don’t forget this one:
- I (Abdullah) will never forge data again, lying is pathetic and dishonest.
- I (Abdullah) will never forge data again, lying is pathetic and dishonest.
- I (Abdullah) will never forge data again, lying is pathetic and dishonest.
And this one:
-Homo Ergaster (African Homo Erectus) begat Homo Heidelbergensis. African Homo Heidelbergensis begat Homo Neanderthalensis and Modern Homo Sapiens. Amen.
-Homo Ergaster (African Homo Erectus) begat Homo Heidelbergensis. African Homo Heidelbergensis begat Homo Neanderthalensis and Modern Homo Sapiens. Amen.
-Homo Ergaster (African Homo Erectus) begat Homo Heidelbergensis. African Homo Heidelbergensis begat Homo Neanderthalensis and Modern Homo Sapiens. Amen.
If you read the 'Evolution thread (in Atheism for some reason) you will see we caught Abdullah telling outright lies. Not only is he a qualified village idiot with a total lack of intelligence, comprehension or intellect; he's also a vile liar, that's what he is. And according to the quote in my signature, he’s also a delirious mental patient suffering from compulsive violent and aggressive fantasies.
It's seems this sorry excuse for a human being is getting his ass kicked each and every time he joins or starts a discussion. Damn, the Ummah must be proud of Abdul, the man whose words are pearls of Wisdom, big uncle Abdul…the fierce warrior for Islam.
Sorry to break in, please carry on. |
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abdullahnoor
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Egyptian Kafir:
Yeah, and who is Aisha Bewly? http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ABewley/ Is she a jurist? Is she qualified to give opinions on fiqh? Not that I am putting her down. But she may well be mistaken.
Here is the opinion of Islamic Q and A – A resource where an expert in jurisprudence gives his opinions.
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=12708&dgn=3
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Question: I have not yet reached the age of puberty. Is it correct that a girl could get married before her menses start, or is that just a traditional myth?.
Answer:…..Secondly: The fact that it is permissible to marry a minor girl does not imply that it is permissible to have intercourse with her, rather the husband should not have intercourse with her until she becomes able for that. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delayed consummating the marriage to ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her).
And Allaah knows best.
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The above answer is from this site. http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=about&dgn=3
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Welcome to Islam Question & Answer! This site aims to provide intelligent, authoritative responses to anyones question about Islam, whether it be from a Muslim or a non-Muslim, and to help solve general and personal social problems. Responses are composed by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, a known Islamic lecturer and author. Questions about any topic are welcome, such as theology, worship, human and business relations, or social and personal issues.
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Here is the credentials of Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajid.
http://63.175.194.25/words/munajed/munajid_eng.html
But of course, being a Muslim-hater you are, you will always reject alternative opinions, even if given by qualified jurists - and go for ones that suit your slimes. 
Oh yes, how is your Arabic Class going on? Are you not embarrassed you tried to boast but you goofed your own native language?
And well yes, you are doing fine with your Muslim-hating and sliming.
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DoctorNO
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| abdullahnoor wrote: | Egyptian Kafir:
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Question: I have not yet reached the age of puberty. Is it correct that a girl could get married before her menses start, or is that just a traditional myth?.
Answer:…..Secondly: The fact that it is permissible to marry a minor girl does not imply that it is permissible to have intercourse with her, rather the husband should not have intercourse with her until she becomes able for that. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delayed consummating the marriage to ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her).
And Allaah knows best.
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Mr. Abdul, that article did not specify when a minor female human becomes able for intercourse. |
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abdullahnoor
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| DoctorNO wrote: | | abdullahnoor wrote: | Egyptian Kafir:
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Question: I have not yet reached the age of puberty. Is it correct that a girl could get married before her menses start, or is that just a traditional myth?.
Answer:…..Secondly: The fact that it is permissible to marry a minor girl does not imply that it is permissible to have intercourse with her, rather the husband should not have intercourse with her until she becomes able for that. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delayed consummating the marriage to ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her).
And Allaah knows best.
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Mr. Abdul, that article did not specify when a minor female human becomes able for intercourse. |
Oh? But neither does any part of Quran or hadith say that you can have sex with a pre-pubescent girl!
Yet you did not point that out on EK's assumption?
Anyway, can't you infer that second part of the answer?
Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delayed consummating the marriage to ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her).
Is it not known that it was delayed till she reached puberty?
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DoctorNO
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Oh? But neither does any part of Quran or hadith say that you can have sex with a pre-pubescent girl!
Yet you did not point that out on EK's assumption?
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Because this underlined section implies that preburty muslim girls have been penetrated...
"Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy. " (65:4 )
otherwise what is the need to divorce a marriage that has never been consumated?
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Anyway, can't you infer that second part of the answer?
Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delayed consummating the marriage to ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her).
Is it not known that it was delayed till she reached puberty? |
it may be interpreted that way. but the fact is "puberty" was never mentioned so the question wasnt accurately answered. mohammed waited for puberty but the quran implies that it is not required. |
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abdullahnoor
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DrNo
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Oh? But neither does any part of Quran or hadith say that you can have sex with a pre-pubescent girl! Yet you did not point that out on EK's assumption?
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Because this underlined section implies that preburty muslim girls have been penetrated...
"Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy. " (65:4 )
otherwise what is the need to divorce a marriage that has never been consumated?
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You assume too much. The “it is the same” refers to the same “idda period” for those who have yet to have their courses, ie before puberty.
But then again, this site being a Muslim-hate site, you would assume it would mean that you can have sex with a pre-pubescent girl, so as to build a case to slime, huh?
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Anyway, can't you infer that second part of the answer? Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delayed consummating the marriage to ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her). Is it not known that it was delayed till she reached puberty?
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it may be interpreted that way. but the fact is "puberty" was never mentioned so the question wasnt accurately answered. mohammed waited for puberty but the quran implies that it is not required.
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You have to know the background of the culture at that time. In those times, puberty is the sign of marriage and sexual relationship between husband and wife.
So why was it that Aisha only consummated her marriage at nine, even though she was married at six? Here is the answer. Found in fourth paragraph under the heading “Criticism Addressed & Entertained”
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
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Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, as we will discuss below, and is still used to determine the age of marriage in what the culturally arrogant West calls "primitive societies" throughout the world. As the ahâdîth about cAishah's age show, her betrothal took place at least three years before the consummation of the marriage. The reason for this was that they were waiting for her to come of age (i.e. to have her first menstrual period). Puberty as a biological sign shows that a women is capable of bearing children. Can anyone logically deny this? Part of the wisdom behind the Prophet's marriage to cAishah just after she reached puberty is to firmly establish this as a point of Islamic Law, even though it was already cultural norm in all Semitic societies (including the one Jesus(P) grew up in). The large majority of Islamic jurists say that the earliest time a marriage can be consummated is on the onset sexual maturity (bulugh), meaning puberty. Since this was the norm of all Semitic cultures and it still is the norm of many cultures today: it is certainly not something that Islam invented. However, widespread opposition to such a Divinely revealed and accepted historical norm is certainly something that is relatively new.
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There is no need for “puberty” to be mentioned. It was understood. It was the culture of the people at that time.
But then again, like I said, this is a hate site. Hence, EK would definitely cook up a situation, to pretend that you can have sex with a girl that has not yet reached puberty. And of course, those that came here to slime, will jump the gun too.
Yes, you may continue to slime now.
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If you think this is a hate site, then why are you posting here? Do you want to be associated with a hate site?
Where exactly did you see the hate? Can you quote the exact thing which you consider hate and explain why it is hate?
As far as MuhamMAD scrwing a 6 year old girl and fro mthe Hadiths we can see he was ``fingering`` her for a few years BEFORE 6 he WAS a paedophile. A vile one at that. |
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DoctorNO
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You assume too much. The “it is the same” refers to the same “idda period” for those who have yet to have their courses, ie before puberty.
You have to know the background of the culture at that time. In those times, puberty is the sign of marriage and sexual relationship between husband and wife.
So why was it that Aisha only consummated her marriage at nine, even though she was married at six? Here is the answer. Found in fourth paragraph under the heading “Criticism Addressed & Entertained”
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
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sounds reasonable.
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But then again, this site being a Muslim-hate site,
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correction, its an "Anti Islam site". I dont hate you abdul. |
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Egyptian Kafir
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:10 am Post subject: what a pathetic desperate response ! |
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hahahah !! yet another expose of abd's ignorance of his own religion!
is that all what you could come up with ?
big deal ! , lets drop this Aisha Bewly aside! here you go from the quran itself :
"O you who believe: When you marry believing women and then divorce them before you have touched them, no period of idda (waiting) have you to count in respect of them: so give them a present and set them free in a graceful manner." (33:49)
what? is allah not qualified to give opinions on fiqh too??
so , to make this short, here the conclusion points again :
1- we have a Quranic Verse that Talks about the 'idda status for devorced females who have not reached puberty at that time.
2- as we saw, there is no 'idda period for devorced wifes who has not been consummated the marriage.
3- But the females we are talking about are in 'idda.
4- then we get the conclusion : These females we are talking about has consummated the marriage.
5- but these females as we saw did not hit puberty !
6- Thus : allah allows sex with pre puberty kids !!!
Holy shit !
what? you found some guy who denies it? if it contradicts the output we got from linking the above 2 quranic verses ,and sunna and tafsir...then it can only be taken with BUCKETS of salt !
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CroMagnon
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| abdullahnoor wrote: |
Here is the opinion of Islamic Q and A - A resource where an expert in jurisprudence gives his opinions.
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The above answer is from this site. http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=about&dgn=3
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Welcome to Islam Question & Answer! This site aims to provide intelligent, authoritative responses to anyones question about Islam, whether it be from a Muslim or a non-Muslim, and to help solve general and personal social problems. Responses are composed by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, a known Islamic lecturer and author. Questions about any topic are welcome, such as theology, worship, human and business relations, or social and personal issues.
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Here is the credentials of Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajid.
http://63.175.194.25/words/munajed/munajid_eng.html
But of course, being a Muslim-hater you are, you will always reject alternative opinions, even if given by qualified jurists - and go for ones that suit your slimes.
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Ah, yes, the qualified jurist Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajid of www'islam-qa.com  I'm glad you think so highly of him
Wasn't that the same sheikh that handled this question very intelligently? :
Question #5441: Was Islam spread by the sword?
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=5441&dgn=3
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Some enemies of the religion claim that Islam was spread by the sword. What is your response to that?
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Praise be to Allaah.
Islam was spread by proof and evidence, in the case of those who listened to the message and responded to it. And it was spread by strength and the sword in the case of those who stubbornly resisted, until they had no choice and had to submit to the new reality.
And Allaah is the source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.
Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah, 12/14
(www.islam-qa.com) |
and in this recent long update on the same question:
Question #43087: Was Islam spread by the sword?
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=43087&dgn=3
he writes:
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The defeatists among the Muslims come out to defend Islam, and they want to disavow Islam of this so-called lie, so they deny that Islam was spread by the sword, and they say that jihad is not prescribed in Islam, except in the case of self-defence. There is no such thing in Islam as taking the initiative in fighting in their view. This goes against what the Muslim scholars have stated, let alone the fact that it goes against the Qur’aan and Sunnah.
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So whoever deviates from the Book is to be brought back with iron, i.e. by force. Hence the soundness of the religion is based on the Qur’aan and the Sword. It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded us to strike with this, meaning the sword, whoever turns away from this, meaning the Qur’aan.
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Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Faroosiyyah ( p.18 ) :
Allaah sent him – meaning the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – with the guiding Book and the conquering sword, ahead of the Hour, so that Allaah alone would be worshipped with no partner or associate, and his provision was placed beneath the shade of his sword and spear. Allaah has established the religion of Islam with proof and evidence, and with the sword and spear, both together and inseparable.
This is some of the evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah. The evidence clearly indicates that the sword is one of the most important means that led to the spread of Islam.
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Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)
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(doesn't all this sounds just like hate, btw... ?  ... or does it sounds just like 'islamic peace'...?)
So, AbdullaN., since you just acknowledged that this sheikh is an expert in islamic jurisprudence with valid credentials, I guess you won't deny anymore that the sword was one of the most important means that led to the spread of Islam and not at all against the Sunnah and or Allah's teachings, just as this site claims...?
btw... have you read his views on sex with slave women? Or his views on what ought to happen with people who leave Islam?  Your expert thinks sex with slave women is permitted and he thinks people who leave islam must be killed! And he justifies this with loads of hadiths and fatwas. In short he agrees with what this site claims. So if this site is a hate site... is his site also a hate site?  ... but... you just praised him and acknowledged his status as an islamic expert! 
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adnan
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Location: Ex-Muslim from Pakistan, now in USA
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Abdullahnoor | abdullahnoor wrote: | | The reason for this was that they were waiting for her to come of age (i.e. to have her first menstrual period). |
1) Hadith still say that Aisha had not reached puberty.
2) If she had reached puberty, why would she playing with dolls and swings? When a little lady reaches puberty, she sees a big change in her life and she stops behaving like a little girl.
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