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Karin

Joined: 14 May 2002
Posts: 727
Location: Connecticut

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:31 am Post subject:

Stopnot, haven't you run into posts like this by M?

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Warning to Meghnad:

Calls for violence against individuals or groups of people are not tolerated here.

Please desist or face being banned.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Sincerely,

The Moderators' Team

If you haven't run into them, then you need to read more of the forum.
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Piggy

Joined: 31 Dec 1969
Posts: 835

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:43 am Post subject:

stopnot wrote:

Piggy, by convention, I do not have to answer any of your questions! However, this is not the reason for not answering you. The reasons are that I perceive that you are looking toward cornering Muslims on FFI to answer issues you have problems with.

Dear Stopnot,

Yeh suuuuuuurrrre. Laughing

You are cornered and this is your pathetic excuse to squirm out!

You won't answer those questions because you make charges without anything sustantial and you can't cope honestly with cross examination.

Your charges against FFI are about as empty as your excuses.

"Hijacked the topic"...ppppffffttt Laughing

Regards.
Piggy.

Mazdak

Joined: 31 Dec 1969
Posts: 740

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:34 pm Post subject:

stopnot wrote:

I hope Piggy has learned his/her lessens from allowing me to personally land crash her self-inflated ego.

Piggy was practically begging for it this time. I have noticed many previous attempts to engage with me in provocative manner but, being peaceful person by nature, I have managed to avoid them so far.

This is nothing but expression of typical islamic hate when the logic fails.
Piggy is more than right in this case, for you have refused to answer his/her questions.

Mazdak

Joined: 31 Dec 1969
Posts: 740

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:15 pm Post subject:

stopnot wrote:

One other reason for not answering you is because you barged in and hijacked the topic, just to demonstrate to others that you have some important questions to ask. Well, join the queue and respond topically, please? Have respect for the topic initially introduced by containing your enthusiasm for confrontations with Muslims in cyber space.

Another lie, and counting.
MR.. stopnot, Sir, you changed the subject of the topic, then you accused the entire site of being a hate site, which you could not prove at all, so now you are attacking piggy personally.

Sir, your limited mental picture of the world, just like NAZIs doesn't allow to see islam as an evil cult, you just get defensive and express your hate for the US instead of admitting the evils of islam itself. One must be righteous himself to be able to point out other's wrongs. And islamists are at the very bottom of the list when it comes to righteousness.

And then Sir, faced with a similar unjust answer from a fellow member, you accuse the entire site, all because you're still failing to see the truth of the topic. And sure enough you don't have anything to defend islam when compared to NAZIs, so you must attack the entire site. The same way that the terrorists can not defend their evil acts of murder and oppression, so they attack the entire United State's people and constitution instead.

Sir, in failing to make any valid point or showing any reason at all by accusing the entire site, you take on one person on FFI and take it out on piggy. Just like the terrorists being so powerless in front of almighty and righteous USA, just go for killing of a few unsuspecting civilians.

Sir, please review your actions, methods and attitudes. Either you chose to do wrong and deal with consequences. Or you might start by correcting your attitude first, and then look at the truth and facts without the islamic glass.

We at FFI do not favor killing, plunder, rape and lies. We divert islamists from doing so, by pointing out that it is what islam teaches.
You might be mistaken the terrorists and average muslims. The terrorists, radicals, extremists, fanatics, need to be dealt with militarily, for they are an absolute threat to the world security.
The average islamic mind needs to be informed and reminded of the evils of islam. It is up to the person to make a decision. Mostly depending on the nature of the person, a violent and ignorant one will chose the terrorist path, a peaceful person with some logic would choose the path of love for the world and all good people.
The time of islamism mumbo-jumbo is over, the world will not tolerate such lies and NAZI like ways much longer.
the war has already been declared, and it will not stop until the old evil ideology is out-rooted. both peacefully and militarily.
We are on the peaceful side, if you'd like to condemn the war on terrorism, you should join some other groups. Every muslim saved from the cult of islam is important as much as any non-muslim life saved from the terrorists.
You must know that 10 million plus people have been massacred by the islamists in the history of islam. It is going to stop in our time. Stop victimizing good people, and save yourself instead. Keep your God, and leave the good people alone Sir. Piggy is no less than an angel.

Wishing the best, and may God bring you to the right path.

adnan

Joined: 29 Jun 2002
Posts: 2847
Location: Ex-Muslim from Pakistan, now in USA

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:32 pm Post subject:

its interesting to note that StopNot talks and talks and talks on this forum, without giving one single proof that Mohammad was really a messenger of GOD. It looks like perhaps it isnt important for him to prove that Mohammed was really a messenger. Stopnot, you and all Muslims are being massively CONNED by Crophet Mohammed. Carry on Stopnot, keep living the completely blind life you live on.

stopnot

Joined: 15 Apr 2003
Posts: 252
Location: inside your screen

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:15 pm Post subject:

Karin wrote:

Quote:

Stopnot, haven't you run into posts like this by M? … If you haven't run into them, then you need to read more of the forum.

Assalamu Alaikum Karin,

Yes I have. However, the sample you are bringing forth is not from the same sample of evidence I have. Its just the wrong batch that you have chosen. I have itemised my evidence used above for your easiness:

1. Eruss Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:15 am
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=99953&highlight=eruss#99953
Quote: I Agree. Abudosama, like the Muslim radicals, are cowards. It is time to bomb mecca and end the war.
Found in:
Faith Freedom International Forum Index -> Opinions -> Islam => Terrorism
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6852&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=mecca&start=0
Started by PeaceOnEarth Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 9:25 pm
Posts: 47.
Sanctions: None.

2. Ampbreia Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 12:57 pm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6852&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=mecca&start=0
Quote: May Mecca be bombed flat, the next time a Muslim follows in this ones path. Amen."
Found in:
Faith Freedom International Forum Index -> Opinions -> Islam => Terrorism
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6852&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=mecca&start=0
Started by PeaceOnEarth Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 9:25 pm
Posts: 47.
Sanctions: None.

3. Ampbreia Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:28 pm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=104788&highlight=mecca#104788
Quote: Only Islam's religious monuments need to be struck, starting with the black stone. I think "Mecca" when I think "Kabba". Typically, I fail to think of Mecca as a city at all, but of course it is. Anyway, there is a great portion of the year when the Kabba is mostly empty of people. There are therefore plenty of opportunities to obitherate it without taking many or any human casualities with it.
Found in:
Faith Freedom International Forum Index -> Opinions -> Islam => Terrorism
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6852&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=mecca&start=0
Started by: PeaceOnEarth Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 9:25 pm
Posts: 47.
Sanctions: None.

4. Chingachgook Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:08 am
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=103211&highlight=mecca#103211
Quote: But there was no such thing as "smart bomb" during Abe's time. Alright, but what makes you think one of those blazing Tomahawk missile would fail as well? I think the Tomahawk will instantly pulverise the Black Stone till kingdom come!
Found in:
Faith Freedom International Forum Index -> Opposing Views on Islam -> Questions for Muslims
Started by: movinghand Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:10 pm
Posts: 10.
Sanctions: None.

5. Everybee Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:36 am
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=103211&highlight=mecca#103211
Quote: If a stealth aircraft flew over it and beamed a powerful beam of microwaves at it (ie. a maser) maybe the stone and everything would vaporize. The believers might think it was the will of God.
Found in:
Faith Freedom International Forum Index -> Opposing Views on Islam -> Questions for Muslims
Started by: movinghand Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:10 pm
Posts: 10.
Sanctions: None.

6. agentazure Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:00 pm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=102513&highlight=mecca#102513
Quote: I say, screw the Muslim world.
Found in:
Faith Freedom International Forum Index -> Comments on current events -> Muslims don't hate freedom, yeah right
Started by Mazdak Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 3:20 pm
Posts: 6.
Sanctions: None.

Perhaps, you have misread my statement on sanctions by moderators on FFI where I did not say such sanction were NEVER administered, but, more often than not, are not being applied to, when grave and mortal violence is being advocated against others, by member posting on FFI.

Wassalam

stopnot

Joined: 15 Apr 2003
Posts: 252
Location: inside your screen

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:19 pm Post subject:

Mazdak wrote:

Quote:

MR.. stopnot, Sir, you changed the subject of the topic, then you accused the entire site of being a hate site, which you could not prove at all, so now you are attacking piggy personally.

Assalamu Alaikum Mazdak,

With all due respect Mazdak, I have not changed the subject! I am still willing to go back to the topic you introduced.

From the very beginning I promptly followed the thread and considered the topic. Being very broad in nature, Maria thought the post was about Islam as an awful political system. Then, Ibn Rushd thought the post was about the Turkish genocide of the Armenians during and before WW1 and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. This was Agentazure who thought the post was about how dangerous Islam is and that Islam is diametrically opposed and antithetical to democracy. In my view, I thought the post was about Islam and the hegemonic USA.

What do you find wrong with all that? Four very different persons thought very differently about one and the same writing? Instead being glad that we all took the trouble to respond to you are so grumpy all of a sudden? But not with any other respondent but only with me? Why? Because I had the most complete, point by point response to you? Because I am a Muslims? Is that the problem?

I have not lied to any of you here.

Firstly, I was personally abused, without any provocation and in the most vulgar manner, by everybee.

Secondly, Piggy embarked on the chance to pester me with his/her problems and could not beilve his/her eyes with the evidence I produced to satisfy her thirst for knowledge.

Event you are upset that I do not have to answer his/her questions? How do you find such questions as part of your initial topic?

Wassalam

stopnot

Joined: 15 Apr 2003
Posts: 252
Location: inside your screen

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:44 pm Post subject:

adnan wrote:

Quote:

Carry on Stopnot

Assalamu Alaikum adnan,

There is plenty more coming, right here on FFI, courtesy of you know who!

Wassalam

Piggy

Joined: 31 Dec 1969
Posts: 835

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:55 pm Post subject:

stopnot wrote:

How do you find such questions as part of your initial topic?

Dear Stopnot,

How do YOU find your allegations about FFI as part of the initial topic?

You made the allegations about FFI and you haven't provided anything substantial or convincing in your argument.

I asked you to substantiate your charges and you have not done so.

I also asked you to be consistent by challenging others who are clearly and unrefutably promoting hatred, i.e. the quote of the sheik's.

You have shyed away from this.

I wonder why, is it because of "CULTural blindness"?

The questions put to you are relevent and valid.

You are being deliberately evasive and diversing from this issue that YOU raised.

Topic related:

The hate speech of the Shiek that I posted, is not unlike the hate speech of the Nazis.

Mohammed's hate-cult is very much like that of the Nazis and just as vile and dispicable.

Regard.
Piggy.

adnan

Joined: 29 Jun 2002
Posts: 2847
Location: Ex-Muslim from Pakistan, now in USA

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:17 pm Post subject:

Quote:

There is plenty more coming, right here on FFI, courtesy of you know who!

sure stopnot,
your failure to answer questions convinces possible Muslim converts that Mohammed was not a prophet.

Adnan

Piggy

Joined: 31 Dec 1969
Posts: 835

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:31 pm Post subject:

stopnot wrote:

Perhaps, you have misread my statement on sanctions by moderators on FFI where I did not say such sanction were NEVER administered, but, more often than not, are not being applied to, when grave and mortal violence is being advocated against others, by member posting on FFI.

Dear Stopnot,

"more often than not"?????????????????

Your allegation.........your statistics please.

BTW, your prior allegations are hollow, feeble, unsubstantiated and do not relate to the promotion or condoning of harm or violence toward innocent people as you have alleged.

At worst the posts you have cited explore the potential for the destruction of a symbol and idol of an evil cult.

Have you challenged the Shiek about his promotion of hatred yet?

Sieg hiel Wink

Piggy.

stopnot

Joined: 15 Apr 2003
Posts: 252
Location: inside your screen

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:32 pm Post subject:

Piggy wrote:

Quote:

How do YOU find your allegations about FFI as part of the initial topic?

Assalamu Alaikum Piggy,

The allegations I which promptly supported by irrefutable facts were in my defence against personal and vulgar attacks by other members on FFI.

Until that attack on me there were twelve posts in very orderly manner discussing the topic introduced by Mazdak. Go and check them up.

I had to defend myself and most likely due to the actions taken by Mr Bread Moderator Karin responded in this case.

Quote:

I asked you to substantiate your charges and you have not done so.

WRONG!

This is the second time I am requesting from you if you see evidence cited within my samples indicating that any sanctions were being applied there.

So far you have not done so even with all materials and links I have provide you for this very simple task.

This is because there were NO SANCTIONS while these interactions were taking place!

See my itemised post to Karin above, Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:15 pm

Following that hurdle YOU trashed yourself in the middle, 26 posts too late, demanding some participants in this topic to link it with your issues.

That link exists only for you and therefore is for you to find someone else to resolve for you. Obviously so far you have been unwilling to personally approach that other site you are quoting from and deal with their issue.

Wassalam

stopnot

Joined: 15 Apr 2003
Posts: 252
Location: inside your screen

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:46 pm Post subject:

adnan wrote:

Quote:

… convinces possible Muslim converts …

Assalamu Alaikum adnan,

Adnan, do you really believe I give a continental about possible Muslim converts? Surely not!

Wassalam

adnan

Joined: 29 Jun 2002
Posts: 2847
Location: Ex-Muslim from Pakistan, now in USA

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:50 pm Post subject:

Quote:

Adnan, do you really believe I give a continental about possible Muslim converts? Surely not!

Stopnot,
Ok. Then you help to destroy the image of Islam by refusing to answer valid questions about it, while I expose Islam directly. Both methods are destroying the image of Islam. thanks stopnot!

I busted Stopnot before when I met him first. Remember the beating, Stopnot? Pretty stubborn, arent you? Be the lonely muslim on this site, beaten again and again. There are 5 billion Kafirs, only 1.2 billions Muslims - out of those too, very few muslims are religious.
Piggy, catch Stopnot by his tail, its easy and he'll become mad at you when he knows he's been caught (he did that with me)

Last edited by adnan on Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:38 pm; edited 1 time in total

Mazdak

Joined: 31 Dec 1969
Posts: 740

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:03 pm Post subject:

stopnot wrote:

With all due respect Mazdak, I have not changed the subject! I am still willing to go back to the topic you introduced.

Sure, there's a lot of fundamental truth and facts in the topic.
Specially when I mentioned how prosperous Germany is now, after overcoming Nazism.
The purpose is to establish something good, not just kill all NAZIs/muslims.

Quote:

From the very beginning I promptly followed the thread and considered the topic. Being very broad in nature, Maria thought the post was about Islam as an awful political system. Then, Ibn Rushd thought the post was about the Turkish genocide of the Armenians during and before WW1 and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. This was Agentazure who thought the post was about how dangerous Islam is and that Islam is diametrically opposed and antithetical to democracy. In my view, I thought the post was about Islam and the hegemonic USA.

Maria confirmed the claim, because islam is also an awful political system.
Ibn rushd is also right, the Armenian genocide had a lot to do with islamism and NAZIs. A very valid comparison.
Agent has also a very valid point which has been discussed many times, islam is not compatible with human rights, secularism and democracy at all. Islam is an absolute dictatorship.
Your point was good in a way that brought USA into the comparison. Why not compare the two great dictatorships with the best known democracy.

Quote:

What do you find wrong with all that? Four very different persons thought very differently about one and the same writing? Instead being glad that we all took the trouble to respond to you are so grumpy all of a sudden? But not with any other respondent but only with me? Why? Because I had the most complete, point by point response to you? Because I am a Muslims? Is that the problem?

In fact, the replies were not all different and unrelated, they all replied by looking at the same thing from different angles, it is very evident.
And no, by no means you being a muslim is a problem, the obvious is that you put US into comparison with NAZIs with little facts to back it up. That's good, we all learn from each other. Your comparison in fact changed the subject after somebody called it so stupid, not exactly the same words, but as an American I know what the meaning was there. Almost everybody came to your defense there and tried to cheer you up, you didn't see that, you just went on with "gathering evidence" against the site. And then jumped on piggy. That was childish stopnot. You should learn to get over things, forgive and forget. It's good for you.

Quote:

I have not lied to any of you here.

"One other reason for not answering you is because you barged in and hijacked the topic, just to demonstrate to others that you have some important questions to ask."

That's what you said to piggy. And that's not what piggy did.
Unknowingly you said things that were not true.
How could you possibly know piggy's motives? If you didn't, then it was an accusation.

Quote:

Firstly, I was personally abused, without any provocation and in the most vulgar manner, by everybee.

Are you over it now? if not you could start a new topic and discuss the issue of personal abuse.
I don't think 500 + readers of this thread should go over that repeatedly.

Quote:

Secondly, Piggy embarked on the chance to pester me with his/her problems and could not believe his/her eyes with the evidence I produced to satisfy her thirst for knowledge.

Your tone of voice doesn't sound very nice there Sir.
This is not about your personal problems, really. And that is not what happened, it was you who refused to address piggy's discussion.

Quote:

Event you are upset that I do not have to answer his/her questions? How do you find such questions as part of your initial topic?

I'm not upset at all, I'm calm and happy as always. Thanks for your concern though.
Piggy has already replied how her discussion is related to the topic.
It proves how islamic sites promote hate and world domination just like NAZIs.

Islam is a lie, get over it.

Unknown 12

Joined: 31 Dec 1969
Posts: 4

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:46 pm Post subject:

Quote:

I agree totally. If we really to make people realize just how dangerous Islam is we must make them understand that Islam is diametrically opposed and antithetical to democracy. People need to understand that freedom of conscience and speech and basic human rights are always under threat as long as Islam exists.

I'd say Al-Queda are doing a pretty swell job on their own Very Happy

Unknown 456

Joined: 31 Dec 1969
Posts: 2

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:13 pm Post subject:

NickSCFC wrote:

Quote:

I'd say Al-Queda are doing a pretty swell job on their own Very Happy

Islam always a mess and always for the mess. Even from the beginning it has already mess-up. Built from a mess.

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