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[Unknown 325]

Can I just ask you all (anyone who has the time) to tell me of your beliefs and why you believe that you are right? Please let it be concrete and provide evidence against those who defy your beliefs...Do not tell me why I shouldn't become a Muslim or why it is bad...tell me something new. Maybe I can find something that I can relate to...and help me out.

[bread]

I am an agnostic. I know that Allah/God did not reveal the Quran to MuhamMAD or anyone else. I have disproved that because I have found errors in the Quran. The Quran says if anyone else but Allah revealed the Quran, there would surely be in it errors and contradictions.

Well, I have found both errors and contradictions. Using the Quran`s own test I disproved that it comes from God.

I am not an atheist because you cannot disprove the existence of anything. LEast of all to proove a negative of universal proportions.

I believe in helping people and equality under tha law. And one standard for all. I guide myself by the Golden Rule.

[Unknown 325]

Bread

I am confused about what you mean by the "Golden Rule"? Do you mean that you do not believe in any "religion" or not? If you don't why do you not believe in them? Please respond in relation to religions apart from Islam, because I have seen more than enough responses to that question.

Cheers

[bread]

Well, the Golden Rule goes like this: ``Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.``

I was a Sunni, so the religion I know best is Islam. But in the process of rejectiong Islam I also rejected Judaism and Islam because I found erors in the Bible too.

Polithoeistic religions are a bit of a joke, and I do not need to refute them individually, although I have done so in the case of some.

As far as Buddhism, which doesnt have gods, it is really deep, but I rejected that one too because its doctrines also fail a scientific enquiry.

I do not reject the possibility of the existence of God/Gods/Godess/Godesses, but I do know that all claims by man religions are false.

Thus I am an agnostic who believes in science andscientific method. That isnot perfect either, but it is far better than any religion known to man.

PEace

[Perro Grande]

Confused,

Right now, I don't label myself as anything. Perhaps calling me a "searcher" would be the best term... Right now, I'm reading and learning about Buddhism. After that, I will read and learn about something else.

In spite of that fact, I still take certain teachings and customs that have passed the test of time -- regardless of their religious or secular origins.

The Golden Rule is an excellent example of this type of teaching. I don't need a religion to tell me that this makes sense. I don't need a religion to make me want to help others.

If I discover a belief system/religion/philosophy along the way, and it doesn't conflict with common sense and science, fine. If not, that too is fine.

[adnan]

i'm agnostic. i think thats the most natural state of beleif - we really dont know if God exists or not. he might, he might not. we dont know.
the reason i'm not muslim is, it has many bad points, plus there's no miracle in quran or any proof that islam is religion from god, or mohammed was a prophet.
its not possible that god would send prophets to people without giving them solid undenyable proof that they really are prophets, given the high occurence of false prophets.

yup thats the golden rule, basically being a humanist, living a life on commonsense.. and enjoy your life.. nothing else.

its cool. ichphren left islam and you're sort of deciding so its good to see this.

[Spinoza]

I'm an agnostic too although I am quite fond of 'mild' chistianity and buddhism.

I think *any* religion should at least offer a moral guidence or explain something about life to us to be of any value. I don't think relgions should be tested with science *unless* the religion (or supposedly God) start making scientific claims. So if Buddhism or christianity make unscientific claims if do not reject those religions on that basis alone: because the persons making these claims are either poets or the Buddha, not God himself. In the case of the Quran it is supposedly the direct word of God that we are judging.

In the case of the Quran the Quran fails both tests: it is morally unjust, scientifictly unsound and it's so called prophet was a wicked man. A vile murderer who raped an innocent child, who had people murdered and tortured, who pillaged, looted, enslaved and ethnically cleansed Arabia.

[Some_Guy]

Well, I'm an athiest, although some of my more relgious freinds are still trying to convince me that I'm an agnostic. I'm not a set die-hard atheist though; I know that humans can't understand everything about the universe and the world, its just that there's so many contradictions in these religions that I shied away from them at an early age. I will change my mind if some air-tight proof of god comes into the light, or when I start studying the Eastern religions, if something jumps out at me. For me atheism is just sort of a defalut position, even though a lot of people would like to call me an agonstic.

As for Islam, I got interested in it by at first meeting a few arab people(read women), who, except for two of them, stopped being my friends upon finding out I had no intention of accepting Islam. I rejected Islam on many accounts. Firstly, Mohammed recived his first revelations up on some hill, where nobody could witness what really happened. Secondly, there's the doubts about his moral character and all these convient revelations that allow Mo to somehow gain something, be it a concubine or some gold and such. Lastly, for an all mericiful god, Allah seems to be very fond of sentancing poople to an eternity in hell.

Those were just my initial problems with it. I had no idea that Mo was a loony, or that there were so many pagan teachings in Islam, or of Islam's stand on Human Rights and such. Hoped that answered your question.
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[Ampbreia]

Hi Confused!

I'm an Agnostic too. No religion I know of suits my personal beliefs; all religions want to do is dictate them. I'd like to be free to change my mind if common sense, feeling or new discoveries dictate it. The only two religions with which I have personal experience (not counting those I simply read about) are Pentacostal Christianity and Shi-ite Islam. I rejected both of those not only because I don't like have my thoughts and feelings dictated to me, but also because the Yaweh of the Old Testement and the Allah of the Koran are alike in being too petty, jealous, vengeful, devious, and cruel. Heaven and Hell are both unjust and rather silly concepts. I rejected Christianity not because of Christ - whose teachings in general I rather approve of - because it fails to condemn and disassociate from the cruel and primitive Old Testment God.

Personally, I feel rather as though we are all a part of intelligent universe, all participating in creation and evolution both physically and spiritually. We all have eternal lives and the nature of that eternal life is meted by our expectations of it. There are enough NDE records to indicate this possibility very strongly. I think that in the spirit realm, we all know what we deserve and we actively seek it in our quests for spiritual evolution. To satisfy the terms of karmic debt, we are reborn again and again unless or until we can break the cycle of whatever it is that goes wrong for us.

I think the philosophy of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - as cited both by Jesus and Confusious - is the best way for people to live. As also, I think respect for the Earth and all its creatures, within the terms of natural law, is equally important. Any religion that spurns natural law is DEFINITELY wrong as far as I'm concerned, as too any religion that puts worship of a vain god above kindness to our fellow humanity.

It's not a religion, just an impression. What makes me agnostic, is that the jury is out. Whatever I believe is open to critticism and reevaluation. I have no proofs for my beliefs, such as they are. I only have my feelings on the matter, buttressed by my own rare out-of-body experiences and readings on those of others as well as philosophies and sciences in general. There are even schools for this sort of thing - several in the U.S. - that have nothing to do with relgion, but everything to do with spiritual and intellectual freedom. The Farsight Institute is one of them: http://www.farsight.org, though not among the most advanced. Sorry, I can't think of the names of some of the more advanced schools.

Hope this helps you in whatever it is you are searching for.
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