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Ampbreia
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| Quote: | | I believe that Nihang is really a Muslim, posing as a hindu/sikh....From what he has written, sounds a lot like Islam. |
Perhaps. He does sound VERY Muslim. But then again, perhaps not. FundaMENTALists in any religion can be self-righteous prigs that feel insecurity and angst whenever they encounter others who refuse to share their narrow world view. In a way, they are to be pitied at living in such black and white static worlds where no adventure ever happens and joy or FUN is strictly taboo. Not to mention the spiritual mire such prigs inevitably live in. They cannot think outside the box. They are slaves to the unknown who rarely come to know what real freedom is.
Personally, I think that a mother does better by her children to raise them outside of any influence from fundaMENTAList of any kind, even if she does have to go it alone. A Muslim father for your children would be a VERY bad influence to bring them up around, just as someone like Nihang would be.
I left my children's father when he started to treating us abusively and have mostly raised them alone. They are happy, free-spirited, loving, intelligent, and kind to others and its the best I could have wished for them. The lack of their abusive father has not hurt them (or society) one bit. Now that they are teenagers, I finally found and married a good man who respects my thoughts and activities as much as I do his.
My previous two marriages (the first to a Muslim), on the contrary, involved my respecting him, but his rejecting everything about me - insisting I had to change to suit his particular dogmatic whims, especially the Muslim. Trust me, submerging self to please the whims of some dominating egotistical male IS NOT WORTH IT! You end up hating the one you once loved and then hating yourself for ever falling for him in the first place. If you are too young yet to know what I mean, then I hope you never have to go through that.
Be yourself. Don't let the prigs in this world ever oppress you.
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Nihang
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Ampbreia wrote: | In a way, they are to be pitied at living in such black and white static worlds where no adventure ever happens and joy or FUN is strictly taboo. Not to mention the spiritual mire such prigs inevitably live in. They cannot think outside the box. They are slaves to the unknown who rarely come to know what real freedom is.
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What is your idea of "adventure" , "fun" and "joy"? Does everything start and end with uncontrolled sexual gratification with no concern for consequences for oneself, family and society?
Is "real freedom" laying with multiple men? Does "out of box" thinking means "getting into the pants" only?
What spirituality are we talking here? The woman could not control her heat and laid with the first guy to prove a point to her parents. This is the begining and end of it. There is no spirituality inolved here - just an implacable arrogance and a raw sensation of the crotch that did not listen to any other reason.
If left unquestioned the likes of this libertine woman will glorify their lusts and licentiousness into "divine inspirations" and would also expect kudos for that . "Cosmic reason" should have been called "libidinal reason".
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adnan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Nihang | Quote: | | The woman could not control her heat and laid with the first guy to prove a point to her parents. |
well you are wrong here, assuming things that you dont know.
| Quote: | | Is "real freedom" laying with multiple men? |
if it was, whats wrong with it if one is careful about STD's ?
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Nihang
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Ami wrote: | | Nihang wrote: |
Family is the most fundamental building block of the society. It is the first school that a child attends. |
I agree with the above statement. ........Nihang, why can u only see it from one persepective, the Muslim male persepective? |
I gave you a Hindu perspective. Being a Hindu, I have more respect for the boyfriend who has some sense of family values left in him and offering a marriage and giving her an honorable place in his family.
She should have thought of the dangers of Islam before she lay with him and let him impregnate her.
The moot questions are:
1) She had no regard for the feeling of her parents when she chose to sleep with a Muslim man out of wedlock
2) She had no regard for the child she was going to bring into the world who would grow up in a deprived and dysfunctional environment.
All that mattered was "cosmicreason" and her libidinal gratification. Let rest of the world, including her own unborn child, go to the dogs. They do not matter! All that matters is me and my gratification ! It is precisely this attitude that is destroying the institution of family in the West and creating ultra-high crime rates.
If she has any sense left in her, she would marry the man and save her child from growing up in a confused dysfunctional environment. No Hindu family would let their son marry her daughter. She will grow up as a total wreck and "cosmicreason" will be responsible for it.
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Nihang
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Nihang the Hinduism you believe in was invented by men, just like all other religions.. |
Let us have your version of Hinduism that was invented by women only recently to glorify their fornications and orgies.
I quoted Bhagvad Gita which is the most authoritative Hindu text. It was authored by Veda Vyasa and if you do not accept him as an authority, you are not a Hindu. These are the people who invented Yoga and meditation and they also wrote our moral codes after applying deepest wisdom and thought. And their moral code does not sanction a life of uncontrolled passion and wanton promiscuity such as yours.
Stop calling yourself Hindu. Hinduism , that changes according to your sexual need, does not exist. Go write your own scripture in which sexual promiscuity and irresponsible parenting are glorified as artistic inspirations but don't call it Hinduism. Hinduism is not like this.
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soy yo
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Nihang, You are ll the way at one side of this issue, and I feel that the rest of us here are somewhere in the middle. I strongly disagree whenever people intentionally plan to be single parents, or continue to have kids and dont teach them anything, that's at the other end of the issue. I agree that self control is an important virtue.
However, people make mistakes, and it is only right that they are allowed to move on. That's one big thing we are so against about Islam, the way a mistake can cost your life, literally or figuatively.
I'm not sensing compassion out of you for the baby girl, either. I did say that a mother in this position has to commit to doing what's best for the child, and that will involve sacrifice.
Society needs to raise children not to have kids out of marriage and dicourage that, but at the same time, when it does happen, no one has to have their life ruined.
One more thing, sometimes we learn from out parent's mistakes. If we learn properly from the experience, we can use it to teach our kids not to do what we did. My mother smoked until I was 14. Seeing all the times she tried unsuccessfully to quit, and how difficult it was when she finally did, and hearing her tell me how addictive cigarrettes were made me not ever smoke. If not for that, I might have thought all the stuff about how tough it is to quit were exaggerated, or that "it won't happen to me."
I actually WAS raised, taught and expected to wait until marriage for sex, but I didn't listen. I'm going to teach the same to my son, and when he questions what I have done, I will simply tell him I was wrong and I suffered consequences. While I love him very much, if I had it to do over I would have had him within a good marriage.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
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soy yo
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | All that mattered was "cosmicreason" and her libidinal gratification. Let rest of the world, including her own unborn child, go to the dogs. They do not matter! All that matters is me and my gratification ! It is precisely this attitude that is destroying the institution of family in the West and creating ultra-high crime rates. |
I don't know where you are, but yes, we have problems in the west, and they have adverse affects, but it's not everyone, all the time. I guess we'd better emulate your perfect society.
Your description of Cosmicreason's attitude is presumptuous. When you make a mistake, would you want your motives described in the worst light possible?
| Quote: | If she has any sense left in her, she would marry the man and save her child from growing up in a confused dysfunctional environment. No Hindu family would let their son marry her daughter. She will grow up as a total wreck and "cosmicreason" will be responsible for it.
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You don't think that marriage would have any confusion or dysfunction? A mother forced to convert or stand by and let the father raise the child in a way that she feels is wrong, while living and sleeping with this man? Note that he only wanted to marry her if it was HIS way. HE could demostrate some flexibility and marry her in a civil ceremony. HE moved into her home. HE knew that she was not Muslim, and dated her, even though that's against his religion. She did not lay down and get herself pregnant. Why now must she make all the concessions?
As far as what you said about Hindu families not wanting her or her daughter to marry their sons, and wrecking the daughter's life, I consider that a problem in that society. They could see if they wanted to that it's not the little girl's fault and recognize her worth as a human being. Thankfully Cosmic is in Canada, and doesn't have to be part of that if she does'nt want to.
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Ali Sina
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Nihang wrote:
| Quote: | | You are not a Hindu even though you think you are one. You gave up Sanatana Dharma the moment you fornicated with a Muslim man and mothered his illegitimate child |
Get lost! 
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| Quote: | | I don't need to convert to anything. I can see what your sanatan dharm has thought you...You are not fit to be accepted as a human being |
Well said Cosmicreation. The world needs HUMANS not religious bigots.
| Quote: | | I am giving her a touch of reality and preparing her for the worst. Her ties with Hindu society are all but snapped. She will not find a place in Hindu society unless she lies and cheats people . She will create unnecessary trouble for her kid by bringing her up as a Hindu. |
In other words you are telling us that Hindu society is another name of the same filth called Islam?
| Quote: | | When the sanctity of family and marriage breaks down , chaos ensues in that society and it self-destructs. |
I am the one who always advocates for the sanctity of marriage. However far worse than marrage beeakdown is the bigotry and sheer hate evinced by religionists such as your self.
Marriage is when a man and a woman love each other and promise to commit their lives to one another. The ceremony is merely symbolic and not essential.
| Quote: | | It is because of people like you that family values are dying out and there is so much crime and misery in society. I am sure your parents are in great pain despite whatever facade they might put up for others. |
And it is because of people like you that humaity has suffered for thousans of years and commited so much crime in the name of god. And I am sure the entier world is in great pain for having sub humans such as you still roaming around spewing so much hate.
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soy yo
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ali, you said exactly what I for some reason couldn't figure out how to convey. 
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Unknown 281
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Nihang,
Bhv.Gita: written by sage Vyasa, whose interpretation are you quoting from?..
You really want to learn what hinduism is all about, stop reading from the net..and get yourself out of the currupted society you live in and seek..you will learn.
YOu can continue writing all your nasty posts, its all meaningless. You are trying very hard to get some sort of message accross to me. However, I am sorry to disappoint you. Its not working.
Everyone, I think it would be wise to ignore Nihang, its so obvious that he is a mulsim seeking attention..Considering the society he was brought up in... |
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Unknown 281
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Sikh and Islam: No difference
Hinduism- compared to sikh and Islam: BIG difference |
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Nihang
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Ali Sina wrote: | Nihang wrote:
| Quote: | | You are not a Hindu even though you think you are one. You gave up Sanatana Dharma the moment you fornicated with a Muslim man and mothered his illegitimate child |
Get lost!
Cosmicreation wrote:
| Quote: | | I don't need to convert to anything. I can see what your sanatan dharm has thought you...You are not fit to be accepted as a human being |
Well said Cosmicreation. The world needs HUMANS not religious bigots.
| Quote: | | I am giving her a touch of reality and preparing her for the worst. Her ties with Hindu society are all but snapped. She will not find a place in Hindu society unless she lies and cheats people . She will create unnecessary trouble for her kid by bringing her up as a Hindu. |
In other words you are telling us that Hindu society is another name of the same filth called Islam?
| Quote: | | When the sanctity of family and marriage breaks down , chaos ensues in that society and it self-destructs. |
I am the one who always advocates for the sanctity of marriage. However far worse than marrage beeakdown is the bigotry and sheer hate evinced by religionists such as your self.
Marriage is when a man and a woman love each other and promise to commit their lives to one another. The ceremony is merely symbolic and not essential.
| Quote: | | It is because of people like you that family values are dying out and there is so much crime and misery in society. I am sure your parents are in great pain despite whatever facade they might put up for others. |
And it is because of people like you that humaity has suffered for thousans of years and commited so much crime in the name of god. And I am sure the entier world is in great pain for having sub humans such as you still roaming around spewing so much hate. |
Mr Ali Sina,
You have allowed yourself to be carried away by flood of emotion. If this is the view of the world that you are propagating in which sexual promiscuity and unwed motherhood are accepted norms, then your fight against Islam is lost before it is begun. What keeps Muslims strontly entrenched in Islam is strong family values of Islamic society which are weak in West. It is precisely because of this reason so many Westerners convert to Islam.
This is not only true of Islam but also true of Hinduism, Christianity and Judaism. All have strong views against sexual promiscuity and irrepsonsible parenting.
A man does not become super human or sub human just because you or somebody else thinks so. It is your view and you are entitled to it. Your view is not so important. You are another fallible being after all and you are no authority outside your limited area of expertise. If religion is "filth" to you, so be it. Then all religions are "filth" becuase all of them have identical views on this issue.
You see in this woman a wronged party but you cannot see that she is party to the wrong done. She had no right to bring another soul in the world before making sure that she would get proper home and both parents. The wrong that has been done is not to this self-willed woman but to the child she brought into the world due to lack of control over her sexuality. It is so unfortunate that you cannot see this wrong done. It is also unfortunate that you fail to hold her accuntable for this wrong done to an innocent soul who will miss something all her life without even being aware of it.
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Nihang
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| cosmicreason wrote: | Nihang,
Bhv.Gita: written by sage Vyasa, whose interpretation are you quoting from?..
You really want to learn what hinduism is all about, stop reading from the net..and get yourself out of the currupted society you live in and seek..you will learn.
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I did not quote any "interpretation". I quoted the exact verses of Veda Vyasa from Bhagvad Gita. They are verses 41 to 46 from chapter 1 of the scripture. They can be found in all standard edition of Bhagvad Gita.
If you have trouble with Veda Vyasa and Bhagvad Gita now, stop regarding yourself as a Hindu which you obviously are not.
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Piggy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Nihang wrote: | | If you have trouble with Veda Vyasa and Bhagvad Gita now, stop regarding yourself as a Hindu which you obviously are not. |
Dear Nihang,
People are FREE  to regard themselves in whatever way they choose no matter what OTHERS may THINK, SAY or DO!
Do you not agree? |
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rand
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Dear CR,
Let's assume CR's daughter grows up to be a kafira. I wonder if your bf believes she will go to hell and whether he agrees with Allah's decision.
Best wishes,
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | ....Nihang: I did not quote any "interpretation". I quoted the exact verses of Veda Vyasa from Bhagvad Gita. They are verses 41 to 46 from chapter 1 of the scripture. They can be found in all standard edition of Bhagvad Gita.
If you have trouble with Veda Vyasa and Bhagvad Gita now, stop regarding yourself as a Hindu which you obviously are not. |
Curious to know from you Mr. Nihang.,,.. Is there any solution in Hinduism and Gita...vedas...Mahabaratha, Ramayana ...that you understand and interpret to the problems such as this
1). What does your Hinduism prescribe for women who have children before marriage?
2). In your view, what should be done to those women who have/had children out of wedlock and what should Hindu society should do to the child?
3). What does YOUR HINDUISM prescribe for an young women whose husband left her or whose husband died of a natural cause?
4). What is your opinion on widow marriages? and what does YOUR HINDUISM prescribe for that problem?
5). Do you think what is there in books(In Any Book) is final and unquestionable?
Don't get me wrong.. I understand, family, family values and the importance of Family etc.., But clear me a bit here, what would Brahmins, the authorities of rituals of Hinduism in India prescribe for such a women in India.
| Quote: | | Nihang: ....They are verses 41 to 46 from chapter 1 of the scripture. They can be found in all standard edition of Bhagvad Gita. |
I wonder whether you could quote those verses and explain what you understand the meaning of those verses..., here is the 1st chapter on the net..
http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/chapter-02.html
there are more doubts.. but let us start with this..
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satyasevi
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Family values are highly esteemed in India. But in this case there are no family values any more. The (former) husband of Cosmic creation put religion above family values. So there is no family any more. What we have to do now is to find a solution which is the best for Cosmiccreation and her daughter.
There are no prescriptions in the Gita. The Gita is about spirituality.
There are no instant solutions in Hinduism.
According the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram there are three ways to find a solution for a certain problem.
1. "antaHkaraNa-anveshaNam" to think for youself.
2. "vijna-mantraNaa" to ask for advice among wiser people.
3. "shaastrupadesha" to look in scriptures and literature for advice.
I think if the husband of Cosmiccreation is stubborn and not ready to give up Islam, she has to settle a new life somewhere else.
She has to ask him to choose: "me or Islam, you cannot have both" |
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | satyasevi: Family values are highly esteemed in India. But in this case there are no family values any more. The (former) husband of Cosmic creation put religion above family values. So there is no family any more. What we have to do now is to find a solution which is the best for Cosmiccreation and her daughter. |
Family values are esteemed every place and every religion as Mr. Nihang pointed out and if you extend a bit you see that pattern in nature in every living species. I am not sure you really understand the complexity of intercaste and inter-religion marriages from Indian subcontinent dear Satysevi., And Why would you say that little girl doesn't have a family dear Satysevi? She has proud, intelligent and educated mother and a timid father who could not take stand against his family wishes. If these two guys would like to stick to their religions and still get married that should be O. K. in my view. Provided they still LOVE each other. If their bond is strong the religion has NO PLACE IN THEIR LIVES.
| Quote: | ......There are no prescriptions in the Gita. The Gita is about spirituality.
There are no instant solutions in Hinduism.
According the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram there are three ways to find a solution for a certain problem.
1. "antaHkaraNa-anveshaNam" to think for youself.
2. "vijna-mantraNaa" to ask for advice among wiser people.
3. "shaastrupadesha" to look in scriptures and literature for advice....... |
Let me ask you a question here.. Do you think that there is a room in HINDUISM, where one can question all the above solutions that you have prescribed and come up with a new one?
| Quote: | I think if the husband of Cosmiccreation is stubborn and not ready to give up Islam, she has to settle a new life somewhere else.
She has to ask him to choose: "me or Islam, you cannot have both"
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I would disagree with you here., they should get marry, if they still like each other. They can argue and understand each other religious views with in the family. As much as we know about this story.. It seems to me the guy is timid.
The other point I would like to know is... If we put all these religious books together and read and understand., and tear of some pages from each of them (that is clearly garbage)....To me they all fall in to the same line, With HINDUISM still giving a way to accommodate the lives of individuals and the other living species of the planet.
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satyasevi
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:47 am Post subject: |
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What I meant is that there is no good scope for a happy and harmonious family with that muslim boy. So it is useless to talk about family values if there is none.
| Quote: | | Let me ask you a question here.. Do you think that there is a room in HINDUISM, where one can question all the above solutions that you have prescribed and come up with a new one? |
Hinduism is too complex. There are no ready to hand answers for everything. It is not a religion of the book like Islam (ahl-e-kitaab).
More important is to understand the human mind and nature and how to grow spiritually
I will not trust if a religion pretends to have a solution for everything.
Then it is like a law and a law is changable. That is why hindus distinguishes between "shruthi" and "smrithi".
| Quote: | If these two guys would like to stick to their religions and still get married that should be O. K. in my view. Provided they still LOVE each other. If their bond is strong the religion has NO PLACE IN THEIR LIVES.
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I don't know if they love each other that much. Is it just being in love or real deep love? If he loves her really and deeply he will be ready to leave islam for her. Only in that case they will be happy together. Otherwise it would be better to live separately. |
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| Quote: | When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krishna, the women of the family become polluted, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrsni, comes unwanted progeny.
An increase of unwanted population certainly causes hellish life both for the family and for those who destroy the family tradition. The ancestors of such corrupt families fall down, because the performances for offering them food and water are entirely stopped.
By the evil deeds of those who destroy the family tradition and thus give rise to unwanted children, all kinds of community projects and family welfare activities are devastated.
O Krishna, maintainer of the people, I have heard by disciplic succession that those who destroy family traditions dwell always in hell. Bhagvad Gita , (1: 41-46) |
First of all -Sanskrit and English are two different languages. To find an equivalent english translation of a sanskrit word is difficult.
Dharma is often translated as religion or duty. It is a comprehensive term for the natural laws governing the universe and man(human beings)..Man's dharma is to adhere to that natural righteousness(inherent -within) ..no book can tell you that..
| Quote: | | When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krishna, the women of the family become polluted, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrsni, comes unwanted progeny. |
irreligion-the natural laws inherent-within.
So when the family doesn't follow the natural laws inherent already within themselves...then the women become polluted..??..
You just don't sit and read the bhv.gita..you have to go further, dig deeper into the actual meaning ..what is meant by women? that represents the feminine energy/force-feeling within all of us.
family: doesn't mean a physical family, you cannot take one sanskrit word and find an appropriate or equivanlent english word.
Family: refers to the inner and outer forces of cognition and expression through which the ego or soul in the enlgihtened being is provided with a means of experienceing and interacting with its environment. The members of this family are, power of speech, sight, smell, taste, touch, hearing etc.. The head of the family, buddhi/intelligence. All are expressions of the one cosmic consciousness of spirit through its individualized self, the soul.
Unwanted progeny/descendants: when members of the family(as mentioned above) are neglected or destroyed.
With the reduction or destruction of these rites of the family members(senses)-sin(sorrow and curruption) will over take all members of the family of human consciousness.
Vrsni means: masterfully strong, powerful.
Now re-read everything and try to see the real meaning of the above verse..which was poorly translated by the author..
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Ampbreia
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I hate to say this, but what exactly is so wrong with leaving him with his religious delusions if that is where he chooses to be? Why can't they just make an amical agreement of "To you your way and to me mine?" She could agree to tolerate his religious choices if he agrees to tolerate hers and to leave her to her own religious choices likewise. As for their children why not instruct them in both religions, expose them to other religions and non religious philosophy too so that they can make their own educated choices. Every spiritual being should be free to choose such a personal thing as that! There must be some oath a Muslim can take to be sworn to this course.
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| Quote: | When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krishna, the women of the family become polluted, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrsni, comes unwanted progeny.
An increase of unwanted population certainly causes hellish life both for the family and for those who destroy the family tradition. The ancestors of such corrupt families fall down, because the performances for offering them food and water are entirely stopped.
By the evil deeds of those who destroy the family tradition and thus give rise to unwanted children, all kinds of community projects and family welfare activities are devastated.
O Krishna, maintainer of the people, I have heard by disciplic succession that those who destroy family traditions dwell always in hell. Bhagvad Gita , (1: 41-46) |
Dharma is not religion. In the time of the Gita there was not such thing as religion. Dharma is the cosmic order.
The above falsy translated passage from the Gita is not spoken by Krishna (the preceptor) but by Arjuna (the disciple) and before he got taught by Krishna. These words are the cause of Arjuna's distress. Krishna listened to Arjuna and the first sentence he said after this was " kutastvaa kashmalamidam viShame samupasthitam" which means: "whence comes to thee, in the very hour of peril, this stain, this dejection, cherished not by a noble man" |
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