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Peoria



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:14 pm    Post subject: To Trekker Reply with quote

I see you have the dhimmi attitude over at clearguidance.com being submissive and not daring to retaliate against some of the monstrous things some of those members have said.


They and thier ilk seem to have the same common atttitude against non muslims that I have seen on mnay other islamic message boards.

This from the "Turkey Rocked" thread:

http://forums.clearguidance.com/showthread.php?t=20828&page=1

(You need to be even registered to read the current affairs section, hmm I wonder why that is?)



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Explosions at two Jewish sites in Istanbul have reportedly left about 23 people dead and about two hundred injured as car bombs rocked the heart of the Turkish city.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...909AA5F0601.htm


A radical Turkish Islamist group, known as the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front, said it was responsible

"We were here today to celebrate ... an anniversary. But we all got this very upsetting news,"

The car bombs exploded outside the synagogues at about 1000 (0700 GMT) as worshippers were holding Sabbath morning prayers.

"The blast went off in the middle of the prayer," Turkish Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Haleva said of the explosion at Neve Shalom.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3272815.stm


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The Stranger
boy do i enjoy waking up, and flicking through the news these days!



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abu_ubaydah
Actually you know bro if you had lived in 50's you would have been very happy. Mossad used to go around bombing Jewish targets in Arab countries all the time!



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SlaveOfAllah
Allahu Akbar wa Lillahil Hamd wa Shukr



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www.jewstoislam.com
We @ www.jewstoislam.com would like to take this time to say how shocked we are about this operation. why did it take so long to do alhumdulilah!!!! and mubarek to our mujihadeen




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Abdraheim
sounds like the celerations went off with a blast:)

corny i know, but...hehe



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Trekker
Wait a sec, guys, if these were Jews that had no connection to Israel at all and were just worshipping in a Turkish synagogue, why should they be killed? After all, its not like they were settlers in Palestine, or supporters of Israel or America. The only "crime" of these people that I can see is that they were Jewish, and aren't the people of the book supposed to be left alone so long as they leave Muslims alone? Weren't they even given the right to practice their own religion within previous Islamic empires? I mean, heck, I've been to a bar mitzvah here in America (and I'm not Muslim, so calling me a kaffir for doing so will cause no offence)- do I deserve to die just for being there? What about you, Jewstoislam, do you really think all Jews should be killed even if they have committed no crime against Muslims? All those people who converted to Islam would not have had the chance if every Muslim in the world believed it was their duty to kill off all the Jews.




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Jews were never given a blanket gurantee of the safety of their persons or property, including places of worship...

there are conditions for any treaty whether between Muslims and mushrikeen or Muslims and mushrikeen min Ahlil Kitaabi- and any and all treaties are between every single Muslim and a particular group...

in other words, if a Jew bombs, murders, kills, or harms in any way a Muslim, whether that Muslim be in Indonesia, Filistine, or the U.S., then the Muslims have a right to revoke any treaties and get to it...

in the same sense that Israeli Jews are occupying Muslim lands, those groups of Jews that do not want to be associated with them should state so, and vehemently, but rather jews around the world are benefitting from the Israeli terrorist state and from the oppression through riba of the worlds people, ignorant mushrikeen and muslimeen alike...

in fact, regardless of treaties, or promises to protect places of worship in the Quran, this does not stop the fact that the Quran also says that those who do not give up their demand for riba should take notice of war from Allah AWJ and Rasulullah, SAWS- and today from the mujahideen....

Trekker, who comes to Islam and who stays far away from it are all within the hands of Allah AWJ, and if you should die before becoming a Muslims in your own circumstances, Allah AWJ has knowledge of what you would have done, should you had lived on for a thousand years....

Wallahu 'Alam...



This guy should be castrated to ensure he produces no offspring, he says"Jews were never given a blanket gurantee of the safety of their persons or property, including places of worship..." how nice of Islam to protect the jews from themselves because it would be thier own fellow muslims attacking them.




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Allahu Akbar! The mujahideen have sure been active these past few weeks. We have seen the mujahideen carryout operations in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and now Turkey that have put fear into the hearts of the kufar. May Allah continue to grant the mujahideen victory over the enemies of Islam.



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Trekker
Wait, though- is there no free will at all when it comes to believing or disbelieving? I thought there was- if there's not, then why would Allah punish the kuffar, since if they have no free will in the matter they have no choice but to be kafirs?



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Trekker
Brother_Mujahid, not every kafir is an enemy of Islam. Why do you like seeing all kufar hurt, then?



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Ibnu Abee Shaybah

Islam means submission to the will of God. Every kaafir is an enemy against submitting to the will of God, hence every kaafir is an enemy of Islam.




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Abdraheim
of course people have free will to choice their outcomes. by their actions they choose their paths in life and ultimately their destinations. Allah merely gives people enough rope...either to pull themselves to safety...or hang themselves with it




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Sinaan
Allaah Ta3aalaa Says (~ translation), {Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.} (Soorah an-Nisaa', #4 verse 101)




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Brother_Mujahid

Well the Zionists are certainly the enemies of Islam. This so-called synagogue was used as a base for Mossad and thus became a legitamite target. And who said I like seeing all kufar hurt? Just those who have made war upon Islam, and those who support the Crusaders and Zionists.
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Karin



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes indeed, Trekker, spend some more time with Clearguidance to enlighten yourself. They can even show you their favorite beheading videos. The fact of the matter is, that despite all your apologia, they still consider you their enemy, no matter what. Maybe you'll see that FFI is not so far off the mark as you might think.

Vermont is not likely to be a terrorist target. All you have is pristine nature and Howard Dean. However, in my backyard is NYC. Al Queda would like to take out 100,000 people or more next time. How will they do this if not by a nuclear device? You and your hippie friends will not like the aftermath effects on the environment, methinks.
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Piggy



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Trekker,

Are you associated in any way with MSA?
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Unknown 409



Joined: 31 Dec 1969
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piggy wrote:
Hey Trekker,

Are you associated in any way with MSA?


No, what does MSA stand for?
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SMHA



Joined: 30 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have opinions of the people who may or may not know much about the religion they say they are form.

Islam does not allow indescriminate killings of civilians. Even in war non-combatants (women, childern , disabled old, weak...) are not harmed. To blow up a house of worship of any religion is not preached by Islam. Same is the case for the settlers , granted the adults are occupying the land with the knowledge of the consequences but what about the childerns. Same is true for the civilians of Isreal. Yes i know the army is made of the same civilian and their famlies. But your job is to fight with the aggressors not civilians. My brother could be in the army but i may not share his view. So, if some one kills me , its injustice. So, what you have is the political struggle and is war not jihad. No one stops any one from fighting the invading army but not the civilians. Never was allowed in the times of the Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h.a.h.p) or his Ahlul Bait(a.s). But it was allowed by the rullers of muslim nations , and forget about out -siders , they even killed the daughter of the Prophet, his cousion, buthchered his grandson at Karbala. And even today muslims are killed at the hands of other so-called muslims and mosques are desicrated , bombed and civilians killed. So, the islam at workl is not the one preached by the Prophet.
(Read history).


. I can relate stories of what others say of muslims and what is and was said about Afghan and Iraqi wars...But what's the point . What did the AG of US said about Islam? what did the high priest to the 1st family said about Islam. let me include Pat and Jerry here .......So, save the pethatic propaganda for the inbreads. You people need to get a life, do you realize what you are contributing towards?

What is the differance b/w you and OBL?
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Piggy



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMHA wrote:
So, save the pethatic propaganda for the inbreads. You people need to get a life, do you realize what you are contributing towards?
What is the differance b/w you and OBL?


SMHA,

I'm holding up the mirror, look!

So, save the pethatic propaganda for the inbreads. You people need to get a life, do you realize what you are contributing towards?
What is the differance b/w you and OBL?
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Unknown 458



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Trekker what made you want to be a Muslim?
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Mullah Mo



Joined: 31 Dec 1969
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trekker wrote:
Piggy wrote:
Hey Trekker,

Are you associated in any way with MSA?


No, what does MSA stand for?


The information you requested will be given to you on a "need-to-know basis".

Please read the statement of Zitlal Onok which I listed below. My question to you is why you did not call him a Nazi?? You didn't even TRY to confront him about his statement. Why do you not thinkg that that statement was not offensive towards the Jews??

Zitlal Onok wrote:

Jews were never given a blanket gurantee of the safety of their persons or property, including places of worship...


Oh, I get it. You only get upset when people criticize Islam or questions the actions of Muslims.

You see, the difference between people on this forum and “Zitlal Onok” is that we “FFI” forum members do not go every Friday to the "FFIism" temple where our Clerics, Mullahs, and, Imams preach hate towards Muslims. It is also not our divinely inspired duty to “Kill all the Muslims where we find them”.

You grew up in a middleclass suburbia neighborhood in the United States where the closest you get to any violence and injustice is on the screen of the television set in your room. You go to a College, which was paid for by your parents. You live in the comfort of the Western World with running water and electricity.

Mr. Trekker, let me ask you this. Have you ever lived in an Islamic country as a non-Muslim?? Any idea what the religious minorities are going through in the Islamic world??

Who made you authority that all of a sudden you “KNOW” what’s going on in the rest of the world??

I’m sorry to tell you, you don’t know JACK (Note: not the “Jack” on this forum). The instructions for the persecution of the religious minorities can be found in the Quran and the Hadiths itself. (and SMHA, don't even think about spammimg the post with 100 verses of cut and paste to confuse us with sheer number of your posts).

Most of the people on this forum are either from the Islamic countries or Muslim majority countries. We didn’t learn about Islam from “CNN” or “PBS” or “Oprah” or other talk radio shows. Most of us have had either a first hand account of what Islam is or we at lease had a taste of it. Believe me, the bitter taste of Islam still lingers in our mouths.

So, Mr. Trekker, you’re not implying that you know about Islam more then these ex-Muslims who lived and grew up in the Islamic nations, are you?? Islam is inherently evil and doctrinally false. Any ideology that divides the humanity is a false one. FFI is calling a duck, "DUCK!!”. What’s wrong with that??

What do you know about millions, if not billions of people being oppressed by this ideology called Islam?? Non-Muslims and Muslims alike, the oppressed and the oppressors, all are victims of Islam. Just because one is taught to hate doesn’t mean that he/she is not a victim. They are victims of the ideology or people that taught them how to hate but now how to love.
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SMHA



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. M

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You see, the difference between people on this forum and “Zitlal Onok” is that we “FFI” forum members do not go every Friday to the "FFIism" temple where our Clerics, Mullahs, and, Imams preach hate towards Muslims. It is also not our divinely inspired duty to “Kill all the Muslims where we find them”.


No you preach love and compassion.


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The instructions for the persecution of the religious minorities can be found in the Quran and the Hadiths itself. (and SMHA, don't even think about spammimg the post with 100 verses of cut and paste to confuse us with sheer number of your posts).


I want to know the clear instructions that can be found in Qur’an?

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So, Mr. Trekker, you’re not implying that you know about Islam more then these ex-Muslims who lived and grew up in the Islamic nations, are you??


This ex- game is pretty pathetic, Even you master Dr. Sina is a fake , he has no clue what he is talking about. He was not a Muslim, I can tell you for a fact by reading his posts. They are filled with misinformation, cunning deception but lack original knowledge. Show me an “ex “as you claim , who has some basic knowledge of Islam?
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Piggy



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMHA wrote:
This ex- game is pretty pathetic, Even you master Dr. Sina is a fake , he has no clue what he is talking about. He was not a Muslim, I can tell you for a fact by reading his posts. They are filled with misinformation, cunning deception but lack original knowledge. Show me an “ex “as you claim , who has some basic knowledge of Islam?


SMHA,

Here" that mirror again.

This Islam-game is pretty pathetic, Even your master Mohammed is a fake , he has no clue what he is talking about. He was not a prophet, I can tell you for a fact by reading his "revelations". They are filled with misinformation, cunning deception but lack original knowledge. Show me an Islamist as you claim , who has some basic knowledge of intelligent reasoning and truth?
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