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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:15 am    Post subject: SRI LANKA - Buddhist Monks attack Christian churches Reply with quote

Buddhist Mobs Attack Five Churches in Sri Lanka
Aggression Designed to Force Passage of Anti-Conversion Laws
by Sarah Page

DUBLIN, August 5 (Compass) -- Mobs attacked five churches in the southern district of Galle, Sri Lanka, on August 2. Initial information from the Evangelical Alliance of Sri Lanka (EASL) suggests the organized attack on the churches is part of the government’s plan to introduce anti-conversion legislation.

A Methodist church in Rathgama suffered an initial attack on July 27. Christians who saw the crowd of 50 Buddhist monks and a number of young people moving toward the church that morning alerted the police, who arrived on the scene in time to prevent the monks from entering the building. The monks shouted abuse at the Christians and threw stones at the church in retaliation.

The monks then issued an ultimatum to the Christians to tear down their church by Saturday, August 2. If this was not done, they would return with a force of 400 monks and burn down the church themselves. One of the monks also threatened that of a total of 18 churches in the district would be destroyed.

Police warned the monks not to resort to violence and to present themselves for an inquiry at the police station on August 2. Officers stood guard at the church over the following two days, but protection was withdrawn due to a lack of manpower.

Ten of the Buddhist monks arrived at the police station for the appointed inquiry and were warned not to resort to violence. However after leaving the police station, they headed directly to the Rathgama Methodist church and launched an attack, throwing stones and destroying pews and benches in the church. Monks beat two church workers, Mr. Mahesh and Mr. Richard Silva. The men required hospital treatment for their injuries.

A Buddhist monk armed with a shovel chased another church member, Mr. Ariyadasa, threatening to beat him to death. Ariyadasa managed to escape, but the monks later attacked his home and destroyed furniture and other possessions.

A police report was filed on the incidents, but at press time no arrests had been made.

Local Buddhist villagers expressed anger at the attacks and have shown solid support for the church. Since the attack, villagers have posted a nightly guard to watch over the property.

Several other churches in the Galle district suffered attacks on August 2, including the Assemblies of God in Thanamalwila and Lumugamvehera.

A mob led by 10 Buddhist monks attacked and beat Pastor Ranjith of Lumugamvehera on the afternoon of August 2. His sister tried to protect him and also suffered a beating. The monks threatened to attack again and kill the pastor if the Christians failed to close down the church.

In Ganemulla, Christians’ homes were attacked. Another mob led by Buddhist monks attacked the Calvary church in Hikkaduwa.

According to the EASL, the spate of attacks marks the beginning of an attempt to incite Buddhists against the Christian community. This would create an environment of religious disharmony which, in turn, would provide an excuse to introduce new anti-conversion laws in the country.

Buddhist and Hindu groups in Sri Lanka have called for the introduction of these laws for several years in an attempt to stop the growth of evangelical churches. Until recently, governments have chosen not to enact such laws.

However in November 2002, Mr. Maheshwaran, the Hindu Cultural Affairs Minister, made a visit to Tamil Nadu, one of five states in India with anti-conversion laws. On his return to Sri Lanka, Maheshwaran made a public statement vowing to introduce a bill in parliament to curb religious conversions.

In subsequent months, Maheshwaran repeated his intentions to introduce the bill to parliament. A draft bill closely modeled on the Tamil Nadu anti-conversion law has now been prepared, according to the EASL, leading to increased attacks on Christian churches in recent months.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:34 am    Post subject: more of the same.... Reply with quote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3113839.stm

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Some Christian groups now accuse the government of orchestrating a campaign to prevent them gaining new converts.

It is a charge which Mongolia's devoutly Buddhist Prime Minister Enkbayar strongly denies.

But he did acknowledge concern about the arrival of these new foreign religious groups in his once Buddhist country.


in western countries one can convert to buddhism, christianity, islam, judaism, hinduism, etc.. and no one in the government would even bat an eyelash.

it seems that other countries are slowly evolving into the fanatic middle east. where you can't preach a "foriengn" religion and conversions from the faith of the state are rewarded with death.
in some states in india there are now "anti-conversion" laws, and it seems some buddhist majority countries are now following suit. only the most insecure faiths resort to such tactics (ie islam), can you imagine if a christian politician even suggested something like this in the US (which is a majority christian country, just check out the latest poll results from CNN that showed 77% of the people were against the removal of the ten commandments in alabama)? he would be branded a racist and expelled from office.

if these "foreign" religious groups were up to no good (ie subversion or terrorism) fine, but otherwise it's just bigotted.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:01 am    Post subject: IGIVEUP Reply with quote

IGIVEUP - thank you for this article and information, and you are correct, and I have often tried to inform people that mainly Buddhist nations, and other faiths, desire to persecute Christians.

However, in Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia, and other areas where Christianity is strong, like many nations in Africa, you have the freedom to follow any faith you like.

Respect! Laughing
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I have often tried to inform people that mainly Buddhist nations, and other faiths, desire to persecute Christians.


persecution happens to people of all creeds: jewish, christian, muslim, hindu, buddhist, athiest, etc.. it's wrong period, it doesn't matter if the object of persecution is a christian or athiest or etc... they're all human beings.

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However, in Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia, and other areas where Christianity is strong, like many nations in Africa, you have the freedom to follow any faith you like.

the "strength" of christianity in canada or australia is questionable but yes in the US and a lot of african nations you can convert to whatever you damn well please and no one cares. the government should NEVER tell someone who or what they can worship or wether they can "convert" to another faith, what we are seeing is the rise of mini saudi arabia's popping up in other countries.
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That's very nice of Buddhist monks. They should have done this long time ago like the Japanese emperors who executed hundereds of marauding "saviors of souls" and "promisers of heaven" couple of centuries ago and that kept the menace of "soul saving" business away from their country for so long. That is the only way to deal with Christianity and Islam. Both are predators and there is a way to deal with predators . I think Sri Lankans have finally figured out that way after putting up so long with "love" and "forgiveness" of a cunning adversary.
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That's very nice of Buddhist monks. They should have done this long time ago like the Japanese emperors who executed hundereds of marauding "saviors of souls" and "promisers of heaven" couple of centuries ago and that kept the menace of "soul saving" business away from their country for so long. ...... I think Sri Lankans have finally figured out that way after putting up so long with "love" and "forgiveness" of a cunning adversary.


thank you nihang for showing yourself for the two faced fanatic that you are Smile
this is the mentality of those who place the lives of dead cows above their own brethern. praise ram, krishna, and shiva!

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That is the only way to deal with Christianity and Islam. Both are predators and there is a way to deal with predators .


you talk a lot of shit for someone who's homeland is surrounded by enemies. communist china hates hindu india with every fiber of it's being, and it has a more powerful and advanced army plus a more vibrant economy (get ready for the next super power). then you have the muslims: pakistan, afghanistan, iran, and indonesia PLUS the teaming fifth column of muslims in your own country that have a higher birth rate than either hindus or buddhists, they hate india even more than china (if that was even possible). let's see the "brave" hindu's take care of them first. you can't even deal with pakistan, who has india trapped in a corner by brillantly aligning itself with america (because of the war on terror) and china(long time ally).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:01 pm    Post subject: NIHANG Reply with quote

NIHANG - is this the enlightenment of your faith or are you just a little bit unstable today? Wink

IGIVEUP - I agree, all persecution is wrong, it doesn't matter if it is Christian, Hindu, Muslim, or whatever.

Of course during civil wars evil things will happen, but this is the dark side of human nature, however, nations should not stop people from converting to any religion they like.

I welcome Hindu temples in England and visited the Neasden Hindu Temple, and saw the beauty of Hindu art - I have also been to the Jewsih Museum in Manchester - and I have been to countless Buddhist and Shinto shrines in Japan.

Bigots are everywhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: NIHANG Reply with quote

jihadjay wrote:
NIHANG - is this the enlightenment of your faith or are you just a little bit unstable today? Wink

IGIVEUP - I agree, all persecution is wrong, it doesn't matter if it is Christian, Hindu, Muslim, or whatever.

Of course during civil wars evil things will happen, but this is the dark side of human nature, however, nations should not stop people from converting to any religion they like.

I welcome Hindu temples in England and visited the Neaden Hindu Temple, and saw the beauty of Hindu art - I have also been to the Jewsih Museum in Manchester - and I have been to countless Buddhist and Shinto shrines in Japan.

Bigots are everywhere.
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JihadJay, one quick question, if you don't mind me asking: you seem incredibly well informed about a lot of stuff and very sensitive towards other religions but why are you so afraid of those that decide not be religious at all, those that chose to reject the notion of God, those that think believing in God is the worst idea since Abe Lincoln said: "I'm bored, let's go to the theatre".?

You astound me, my friend.

Anyway: I couldn't help but notice: "Local Buddhist villagers expressed anger at the attacks and have shown solid support for the church. Since the attack, villagers have posted a nightly guard to watch over the property."

And that doesn't surprise me one bit, the local population in that Area (Hikkadua, Galle) is very friendly in general towards other religions and if anything they dislike the northern Tamils a lot (the ones that fight) and some of their local muslim neighbours (which they call apt names like Osama Bin ladens, Talibans or "why don't they go to bloody Pakistan").

You can see 'shrines' of pretty much the main staple of Hundism (even in Buddhist temples) next to shrines sporting Maria and Jesus. Most of the christians are Dutch reformed (the Burgheres), Catholics or Anglicans, it's probably those evangelicals that triggered these monks.

It's also noteworthy to see the population rise up (if you like) to protect these churches from monks, since monks are *Very* much repsected in sri-lanka. These guys are like walking gods.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:31 am    Post subject: SPINOZA Reply with quote

SPINOZA - Please see my last response on the subject of atheism, and I hope I made myself much more clearer, and sorry if I offended you in anyway.

I also could have put an article on about these attacks in Sri Lanka which didn't mention Buddhists going to help Christians, and some Christian websites did omit this, you see, fundamentalists in all faiths.

I wish you well, bye! Laughing
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in some states in india there are now "anti-conversion" laws, and it seems some buddhist majority countries are now following suit.


Tamil Nadu has only recently passed this bill, but my understanding ( could be wrong) that other states have had this law for a while. The law is not supposed to stop an individual converting, it is supposed to stop forced or cohersed conversion. That is not the same as in islamic states where a muslim is not permitted to convert.

However I do not know the minute details and i can see that these laws can be abused either way by the proselytising faiths or fanatics who are against any kind of conversion legitimate or not.


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Tamil Nadu has only recently passed this bill, but my understanding ( could be wrong) that other states have had this law for a while. The law is not supposed to stop an individual converting, it is supposed to stop forced or cohersed conversion. That is not the same as in islamic states where a muslim is not permitted to convert.

However I do not know the minute details and i can see that these laws can be abused either way by the proselytising faiths or fanatics how are against any kind of conversion legitimate or not.


Vaishnav, you are by far the most intelligent and non-abusive (hindu?) member of this fourm. this post is just one of a long line of thoughtful, fleshed out posts. please don't leave, some of us actually enjoy discussions with you!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:03 am    Post subject: VAISHNAV Reply with quote

VAISHNAV - I am an Orthodox Christian, and believe me, we face similar problems in Romania, Bulgaria, Russia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Albania (20% Orthodox minority), Ukraine, Armenia, Georgia, Greece, and even Orthodox Christian Arabs have problems, with regards to Protestant fundamentalists, and to a lesser extent Roman Catholic fundamentalists.

Some even claim that Orthodox Christians are not Christian, I have been told this myself, I was astonished. Yet some fanatic (a minority, I must stress) Protestant groups will provide education for your children if you convert, and in parts of Romania and the above named nations, this is a serious problem.

We are not against people converting out of freedom of will, but many Orthodox Christian nations are poor because of the trauma of past history and events.

So while I am against anti-conversion laws for the individual or family - I do understand it when fundamentalists go to regions and try and bribe people to convert, I would never support this, however, it is hard to regulate, for the dominant community can then abuse the minority and keep this faith out for selfish reasons and denying freedom.

Did you know that in Russia, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan that only Islam and Orthodox Christianity are protected because of this problem - Russia also gives protection to Buddhists and Jews.

It is a complex issue which needs a great deal of thinking.

I would like to point out that most Christian missionaries are not like this, and some work all their lives by just helping the poor or respective communities, and they are not interested in forcing anyone to convert.

The real problem is fundamentalism, and you gets these in all faiths.
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jihadjay wrote:


I welcome Hindu temples in England and visited the Neasden Hindu Temple, and saw the beauty of Hindu art - I have also been to the Jewsih Museum in Manchester - and I have been to countless Buddhist and Shinto shrines in Japan.


If Buddhists and Hindus in West use the same techniques , lies and strategems to get converts as Christians do in Buddhist and Hindu countries , feel free to attack Hindu and Buddhist temples in West. I will be in crowd with you that goes to destroys those temples.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jihadjay, I don't condone violence but at the same time you must also admit that Christian evangelism sucks beyond belief. Sometimes it's just hard for some people to keep tolerating parasites and pests like them centuries after centuries!

Here is something to learn for you Christian fundies, you could make use of a little bit of ethics and respect to your hosts' culture and religious traditions. Please spare them the preach of how satanic and evil their ways/religions are without evedn knowing what they actually teach. If you do that, surely no one will be interested in burning your churches.


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Did you know that in Russia, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan that only Islam and Orthodox Christianity are protected because of this problem - Russia also gives protection to Buddhists and Jews.


Yes i was aware that some of these states had restrictive laws. I did point out to Yevezee who asked 'what predominantly christian country did not allow other relgions (or hindus) to practise their faith' that Russia, Poland and Belarus were doing just that.

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I would like to point out that most Christian missionaries are not like this, and some work all their lives by just helping the poor or respective communities, and they are not interested in forcing anyone to convert.


I realise there are those(above), but there are those who are quite damaging and doing it for the wrong reasons (I beleive), particiulalry the American baptists operating in the North East.

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Some even claim that Orthodox Christians are not Christian


Not unlike Wahabi funded islam in pakistan declaring shias as not being muslim. The Syrian or Thomas christians of Kerala were at one time (if not now also) considered heretics by the Roman catholic church and they were persecuted by the poruguese.
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If Buddhists and Hindus in West use the same techniques , lies and strategems to get converts as Christians do in Buddhist and Hindu countries , feel free to attack Hindu and Buddhist temples in West. I will be in crowd with you that goes to destroys those temples.


Nihang is a terrorist.
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everybee wrote:
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If Buddhists and Hindus in West use the same techniques , lies and strategems to get converts as Christians do in Buddhist and Hindu countries , feel free to attack Hindu and Buddhist temples in West. I will be in crowd with you that goes to destroys those temples.


Nihang is a terrorist.


People like Nihang are not terrorists. They are counter-terrorists. Christian fanatics are real terrorists who want to destroy every other culture of the world.
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Last month in India a Hindu was sentenced to death for killing a christian missionary a few years back.

The Hindu did so because the missionary insulted Hindu culture and advocate Hindus to eat beef.

The law has dealt with the Hindu. Is there a law against the christian missionary. If not why should the chrisitian missionary get away insulting other cultures and traditions.

Should we not have laws against christian missionaries who insult other religions traditions and cultures? Should we not act against these bastards who molest children or as in history incite the Boxer Revolution.Should these liers not be tried under civil law?

Why should the christian bullshitter with his despotic god get away with crime against my race religion and culture?

Stop making wild accusations that Buddhist monks attack christian churches. The report is based in Dublin. Why not from Colombo?

Has anybody read it in Time magazine?
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Varanasi wrote:
Last month in India a Hindu was sentenced to death for killing a christian missionary a few years back.

The Hindu did so because the missionary insulted Hindu culture and advocate Hindus to eat beef.

The law has dealt with the Hindu. Is there a law against the christian missionary. If not why should the chrisitian missionary get away insulting other cultures and traditions.

Should we not have laws against christian missionaries who insult other religions traditions and cultures? Should we not act against these bastards who molest children or as in history incite the Boxer Revolution.Should these liers not be tried under civil law?

Why should the christian bullshitter with his despotic god get away with crime against my race religion and culture?

Stop making wild accusations that Buddhist monks attack christian churches. The report is based in Dublin. Why not from Colombo?

Has anybody read it in Time magazine?


Precisely, Varanashi. Hindus and Buddhists have been tolerating Evangelist scumbags for centuries. And when one little incident happened because they had been persecuted in their own homeland for ages, Christians like Jihadjay blow it out of proportion unable to engage themselves in introspection why that happened in the first place. If fucking evangelists had acted like the Dalai Lama who tells people to stick to their own religious traditions without having to convert to Buddhism, things like church burning by Buddhists would never have happened. Buddhism is almost like the only hope to humanity and it is now being taken away from Buddhists themselves to be replaced by a primitive, irrational, decidedly inferior sky-God religion like Christianity. So tragic.


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Ari,

I've always found it deviously clever when religions build in "spreading the word" as part of their primary objective. This is especially true and effective in western "fear-based" religions, because there is the implicit eternal damnation awaiting those that don't share the faith... Talk about incentive to spread one's faith by force...

Decidedly inferior. Couldn't have said it better myself...
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Perro Grande wrote:
Ari,

I've always found it deviously clever when religions build in "spreading the word" as part of their primary objective. This is especially true and effective in western "fear-based" religions, because there is the implicit eternal damnation awaiting those that don't share the faith... Talk about incentive to spread one's faith by force...

Decidedly inferior. Couldn't have said it better myself...


Very well put, Perro. And welcome to the forum. Actually Buddha also told his followers to "spread the word." Only he didn't mean it to be conversion (by any means). Buddhist proselytising is highly ethical. It's waiting for people to come to them, not going "door-to-door" and demean other people's belief and tradition to hardsell its religion.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ari,

Good point.

To me, there is a HUGE difference between the proselytising that is done by Christians and the approach of Buddhists. The hardsell approach has always turned me off, personally. I have always found it intrusive and arrogant. I prefer the open door approach -- "when you want information, come to us and we'll gladly share with you."

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