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abdullahnoor
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Attention all readers!
Look at the extent of the hypocrisy hate has driven Muslim-haters to!
adnan wrote
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Ok Abdullah, I have to make it obvious for you:
I CONDEMN ANY SEX SLAVERY WHEREVER IT EXISTS.
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Such blatant hypocrisy! You say you condemn sex slavery wherever it exists. Well, it exists in your very own backyard now!
Yet 99.99% of your posts concentrate on the bastardisation of Islam and/or the bastardisation a perfectly legal marriage in another land 1400 years ago?
So you expect us to believe you that you have included the condemnation of sex slavery in your very own backyard today, with just a one-liner “I condemn any sex slavery wherever it exists?”
How is it you are more interested in bastardising a legal marriage 1400 years ago, thousands of miles away, by putting up tons of slimes against the Holy Prophet (p), yet when it comes your very own backyard today, you just put up a one-liner?
Come on! Your actions and words don’t match!
Drop your hate in you. It is eating you from the inside. Come and experience love that you have lost. Come to Islam with me.
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adnan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Abdullah | Quote: | | Well, it exists in your very own backyard now! |
What can I do about it? Child Prostitution exists everywhere, does it mean I cannot call Mohammed the pedophile he rightfully deserves to be called?
Child prostitution is wrong, whereever it exists. Prostitution exists in your own backyard too  . What about that, non-Muslim hater ? Come to me, leave Islam. Come to love and peace.
Prostitution exists in all Muslim countries. Thus you cannot call Mohammed a Prophet. Right? (by your own logic).
How can you say that Islam gives women a high place, when prostitution exists in all Muslim countries? lol
Having fun now?
| Quote: | | Yet 99.99% of your posts concentrate on the bastardisation of Islam and/or the bastardisation a perfectly legal marriage in another land 1400 years ago? |
You're saying that having sex with a 9 year old little girl is LEGAL ? 
So you admit that Quran allows sex with pre-puberty kids?
Drop the hate, Drop the Islam. Drop the crap and hold my Palm. Come, jump out of the dirty Islamic Pit. Here, take my hand. Come to peace, leave Islam. |
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abdullahnoor
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Attention once again readers!
Note the hypocrisy again!
| adnan wrote: | Abdullah | Quote: | | Well, it exists in your very own backyard now! |
What can I do about it? Child Prostitution exists everywhere, does it mean I cannot call Mohammed the pedophile he rightfully deserves to be called?
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Adnan,
With every post you make, you reinforce your hypocrisy. 
So now you admit that you believe you have the right to bastardise Islam, through the bastardisation of a perfectly legal marriage, between Muhammad (p) and Aisha?
And that your intention is not to condemn sex slavery per se, but just to bastardise Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha (p)?
That you have chosen sex slavery as a pretence, to fulfil your desire to bastardise the marriage?
Are these not all hypocrisy? Is this not the result of your hate?
Come to Islam with me. Drop your hate and experience love instead.
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Egyptian Kafir
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....and Guess WHO are the slave-trade lords and primary slave customers that slaveofallah is complaing about?
thats right, the rich Oil-guzzling muslims!
Saudi Arabia and contemporary slavery
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31541
articles on the slave trade , girl-kidnapping and the Saudis:
http://www.sauduction.com
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/trafficking020515.html
the african slave trade and muslim gulf countries:
http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Features/0,,2-11-37_1271858,00.html
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Middle-East countries
"There is a great deal of trafficking going on in Ethiopia," Rakeb Messele, from the UN's International Organisation for Migration (IOM) anti-trafficking unit, told IRIN.
"Specifically the girls are sent to the Middle East, Lebanon, Dubai and Saudi Arabia. These are the main countries of destination. In Lebanon alone there are about 25 000 Ethiopians working there. In Beirut it is estimated a 1 000 Ethiopian girls are recruited monthly."
"We are talking about thousands of girls a year being trafficked," Rakeb said. The youngest girl was just 14.
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http://holocaust.fiu.edu/~fcf/slavery.sudan.html
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Saudi Arabia and Kuwait still have BLACK CHATTEL SLAVES according to UN report
"...Here it was, late in the 20th Century, I told the crowd, that Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, according to undisputed details of the U.N. unit, each had huge numbers of BLACK CHATTEL SLAVES. Saudi, according to the findings, had about one hundred thousand such slaves and Kuwait about fifty thousand of the same. I emphasized that this was done by the Saudi Royal Family and by the Emir of Kuwait, both unelected dictators.
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http://www.rense.com/general35/skolov30.htm
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Saudi arabia and slave trade :
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U.S. Criticizes Major Allies for Inaction in Slave Trade
By JOEL BRINKLEY
WASHINGTON, July 12 — The State Department today criticized
several of the United States' closest allies, including Saudi
Arabia, Israel, Greece and South Korea, saying they had not made
sufficient efforts to stop the trafficking of slaves within their
borders.
The assessments came in the department's first annual Trafficking in
Persons Report, mandated under a law enacted last fall. It is
similar to the reports on human rights and drug trafficking. Like
those, it offers the option to apply sanctions, in this case to
countries that are not, in the government's view, making adequate
efforts to fight the slave trade.
But because the law is new, the sanctions provision does not take
effect until 2003. In theory, at least, that gave State Department
officials the option to be more frank than is customary, and some
government officials said they had been.
"It was important that the report be a strong one, and that is what
the State Department has given us," said a statement issued by
Senators Paul Wellstone, a Minnesota Democrat, and Sam Brownback, a
Kansas Republican, the authors of the bill that called for the
annual report.
Victims of trafficking, primarily women and children, are tricked or
coerced into traveling to another country on the promise of jobs
like waitressing, baby-sitting or modeling. But once they arrive,
their identity papers are seized, and they are enslaved in
sweatshops, brothels, farm-labor camps or private homes.
"It is incomprehensible that trafficking in human beings is taking
place in the 21st century — incomprehensible but true, very
true," Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said as he made the report
public.
The Central Intelligence Agency estimates that at least 700,000
people are trafficked each year, including 45,000 to 50,000 who are
trafficked to the United States.
State Department officials said the report would be used to open
discussions with the problem countries before the sanctions
provision takes effect.
"This is an issue that has not been addressed vigorously in the
past," said Paula J. Dobriansky, under secretary of state for global
affairs. "We would hope that this report would provide the basis and
the foundation from which to actually improve the situation and the
circumstances here and abroad."
The report says 23 countries are making little effort to stop the
slave trade. Saudi Arabia, Israel and Greece are destination
countries for slave traffickers and their victims, the report says.
Hundreds of women from Russia and its former republics are smuggled
to Israel, for example, and then forced into prostitution. But State
Department officials say the Israeli police generally ignore the
problem.
South Korea is another source country; hundreds of "young female
Koreans are trafficked for sexual exploitation, mainly to the United
States," the report says. It makes no mention of the United States'
effort to halt trafficking; the State Department has no jurisdiction
in domestic affairs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/13/international/13SLAV.html?ex=996033654&ei=
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Fact : the latest countries to be FORCED on denouncing slavery are islamic countries.
you know whats the difference there slave of allah? in those western countries like the US slave-buisness is outlawed and punished, while in the holy islamic sharia it is fully allowed and these muslims cannot ever be told that they are contracting islam by what they are doing!
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adnan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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LOL AbdullahNoor has been crushed now that EK, the former muslim from Egypt brings proof of Sex Slavery in Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries.
Attention to everyone! AbdullahNoor thinks its not wrong of the 54 old Arabic Freak to marry 9 year old little Aisha.
Abdullah | Quote: | | And that your intention is not to condemn sex slavery per se, but just to bastardise Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha (p)? |
My intent is to condemn Child Prostitution everywhere and my intent is also to slime Mohammed because he was wrong in marrying and having sex with a little 9 year old girl when he was 54.
You have STILL NOT answered the basic question of this thread:
QURAN allows pre-puberty sex with little girls.
Why dont you condemn the sex slavery in Saudi Arabia? Why dont you condemn Islam and Mohammed's pedophilic marraige?
Are the above links not proof that it was wrong of Mohammed to marry little 9 year old girls?
I WILLFULLY CALL MOHAMMED A BASTARD, WHO SAID I WILL BURN IN HELL IF I DONT FOLLOW ISLAM. MOHAMMED WAS A BASTARD.
Hear that AbdullahNoor? Mohammed was a bastard. Got any problems with that?
Why did the BASTARD Mohammed say that I will burn in Hell? Your failure to answer this question shows that Islam is a lie.
Does this not prove that you're a non-Muslim hater ?
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soy yo
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| Quote: | | you know whats the difference there slave of allah? in those western countries like the US slave-buisness is outlawed and punished, while in the holy islamic sharia it is fully allowed and these muslims cannot ever be told that they are contracting islam by what they are doing! |
As I read this thread, my thoughts on the topic echo this quote from EK. Here in the US, there are task forces dedicated to the sole task of stopping and prosecuting human trafficking and the sex trade. There are people who speak out and educate others about it. Is this so in Islamic countries? Or are they too busy speaking out about the iniquities of the west?
And about Muhammed and his 9 year old bride, maybe it's true that it was a normal practice back then. The thing is, 1 billion people beleive that he was the prophet of God. They strive to follow his example. There are nations that have taken the fact that he married Aisha at age 9, and used it as the basis to make legal marriage age 9! For one, not every girl reaches pubery by age 9, and there is a several year gap between the start of puberty and the finish. I was not fully done with puberty until I was 16 or so. Even then, Having a child would have been more stressful to my body than at age 20 or 25.
A God so merciful and wise would have chosen a prophet who married only a grown woman, knowing that future generations would look to him for and example.
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abdullahnoor
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Hahaha! Did not I say that this is a hate site? Look at Egyptian Kafir’s post. So now he justifies the non-condemnation of sex slavery in the west, by saying that the Saudis do it! How much more hypocritical can Muslim-haters get?
And look at how blind adnan is! So not only Crow is blind, so is adnan! Are not all Muslim-haters blind? This is what he posted
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You have STILL NOT answered the basic question of this thread:
QURAN allows pre-puberty sex with little girls.
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Not answered? NOT ANSWERED??????
ARE YOU BLIND???????
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93322&highlight=&sid=2612c153f744f3adae44bbf38706f43b#93322
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93370&highlight=&sid=2612c153f744f3adae44bbf38706f43b#93370
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93387&highlight=&sid=2612c153f744f3adae44bbf38706f43b#93387
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93422&highlight=&sid=2612c153f744f3adae44bbf38706f43b#93422
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93528&highlight=&sid=2612c153f744f3adae44bbf38706f43b#93528
I did not answer????
And lookie here! You even responded to my answer!!!!!!
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93648&highlight=&sid=2612c153f744f3adae44bbf38706f43b#93648
Has not your hate blinded you Muslim-hater?
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Hear that AbdullahNoor? Mohammed was a bastard. Got any problems with that?
Why did the BASTARD Mohammed say that I will burn in Hell? Your failure to answer this question shows that Islam is a lie.
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I don’t have a problem with that at all. You do.
Is that not hate you are harbouring inside you, that causes you so much bile and frustration? You say that Islam is nonsense. Muhammad (p) is no longer alive. But in spite of your opinion that Islam is nonsense and that Muhammad (p) cannot affect you, you are bent on feeling frustrated against someone who has passed away and who according to you, is nonsensical! Why? Why is your hatred so deep that you are affected by someone who is not alive?
See what harbouring hate has done to you? See how your own hate is destroying your emotional and mental state?
Come now Muslim-haters. Hate is bad. It eats you from inside. Drop your hate. Learn to love instead. Come to Islam with me.
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Crow
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Drop your hate in you. It is eating you from the inside. Come and experience love that you have lost. Come to Islam with me. |
*shudder shudder* Yeah, you might as well ask him to join you in deflowering a new 9 year old wife while youre at it. 
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Crow
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You allow sex slavery that is happening this very instant in your backyard, yet you condemn Islam for looking after slaves 1400 years ago????
Hypocrisy at work?????
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I dont condone any of that. I wasnt even aware of that shit. But you, you are saying it was ok for Muhammad to marry a CHILD. This sleazy activity you give links to is totally ILLEGAL! Hell, I dont even know if I can trust the sources. The people peretrating it are compleate sleazebags and should be thrown away! Just like your pedophilic prophet's ideals!
The point is, no accepted ideal is giving these sick people the nerve to do what they do. Well money perhaps. But there is no doctrine that makes it acceptable for these men to do such horrible things. Most people are outraged at such sick, hurtful exploits in the west. But in islam? It is ALLOWED to marry a child and have sex with her! Have you any idea how harmful it is for a girl that young to be subjugated to sexual acts? It is ACCEPTED by the people of islam because their prophet did it.
Now do you see where I am coming from?
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abdullahnoor
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Like adnan, your hypocrisy is sickening, right down to the very core! Such blatant display of hypocrisy in broad daylight, speaks volumes of exactly what hate has done to you.
So you say you condemn sex slavery. But look what have you done?
You post a one-liner or just one paragraph like “I condemn such actions”, inferring the dastardly acts that happen right in your backyard NOW, yet proceed to post 99.99% of your messages, bastardising a religion and/or bastardising a perfectly legal marriage, that occurred in a far away land, 1400 years ago?
Can you not see the blatant display of hypocrisy here? Can you not notice your blindness?
Come down from your high horse. Your hate has blinded you. Look at what it has done to your judgement.
Drop your hate. It is eating you from the inside. Realise it before it is too late. Hate is bad. Learn to love. Come to Islam with me.
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adnan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Abdullahnoor | Quote: | | Quote: | Hear that AbdullahNoor? Mohammed was a bastard. Got any problems with that?
Why did the BASTARD Mohammed say that I will burn in Hell? Your failure to answer this question shows that Islam is a lie.
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I don’t have a problem with that at all. You do. |
Then why do you call me a muslim hater? If I call mohammed a bastard, why do you call me a muslim hater?
whats worse? sentencing someone to Hellfire, or calling them bastard?
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Those posts have been answered by the former muslim, EK and others.
Cant you give me one post for me? What do you have to say regarding Quran allowing marriage to little girls who havent reached puberty?
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abdullahnoor
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adnan
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Then why do you call me a muslim hater? If I call mohammed a bastard, why do you call me a muslim hater?
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Because your hatred for Muslims is clear as crystal. Muhammad (p) is the leader of the Muslim Ummah. You hate our leader, you hate us. Period.
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whats worse? sentencing someone to Hellfire, or calling them bastard?
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I repeat – I have NO PROBLEM with you calling anyone a bastard.
It is YOU who have a problem with me calling you a Muslim-hater, after you call my leader a bastard.
It is YOU who have a problem, after saying that Islam is nonsense, you are still affected by what it says.
It is YOU who have a problem, after rejecting Islam’s teachings, you still accept that you will sent to hellfire!
Hello, Muslim-hater, do you see the irony? If you disbelieve Islam, you would not care two hoots about that hellfire sentence, would you? So why are you so upset? Have you seen what hate has done to your emotional and mental state?
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Cant you give me one post for me? What do you have to say regarding Quran allowing marriage to little girls who havent reached puberty?
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Why must I address you? Did not I specifically address YOUR POINT of marriage to girls before puberty?
Come now. Look at what hate has done to you. Look at your mental and emotional state. Is it not pathetic? Look what hate, bile and vengeance has done to your life! It is eating you from the inside. Drop that hate in you. Come to Islam with me. Learn to love instead.
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adnan
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Abdullahnoor | Quote: | It is YOU who have a problem, after rejecting Islam’s teachings, you still accept that you will sent to hellfire!
Hello, Muslim-hater, do you see the irony? If you disbelieve Islam, you would not care two hoots about that hellfire sentence, would you? So why are you so upset? Have you seen what hate has done to your emotional and mental state? |
Yes Abdullah.. Hello too.
I told you about my God Pikachoo, remember? he told me Islam is a lie and that Mohammed will burn in Hellfire. He told to me that Mohammed was a pedophile and for that he will be fed boiling water and molten brass in Hellfire.
Now ofcourse you dont beleive the "boiling water" sentence that my God Pikachoo told me, so why are you so upset when I say that Mohammed will burn in Hellfire?
| Quote: | | Come now. Look at what hate has done to you. Look at your mental and emotional state. Is it not pathetic? Look what hate, bile and vengeance has done to your life! It is eating you from the inside. Drop that hate in you. Come to Islam with me. Learn to love instead. |
Stop repeating.
| Quote: | | Did not I specifically address YOUR POINT of marriage to girls before puberty? |
Where? Please give me the link.
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abdullahnoor
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Yes Abdullah.. Hello too.
I told you about my God Pikachoo, remember? he told me Islam is a lie and that Mohammed will burn in Hellfire. He told to me that Mohammed was a pedophile and for that he will be fed boiling water and molten brass in Hellfire.
Now ofcourse you dont beleive the "boiling water" sentence that my God Pikachoo told me, so why are you so upset when I say that Mohammed will burn in Hellfire?
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You see Muslim-hater, your hate, bile and vengeance is so deeply ingrained in you, you don’t even know what is happening. Yes, I remember your god pickachoo. But do you remember what I said about it? You don’t, do you? Have not I said that your hate has blinded you? Here it is again. So what about your god pikachoo? Do I care? Do I worry myself till I do not get to sleep?
On the other hand, you appear very frustrated, angry, sleepless, full of bile, for something you don’t believe in! You say Islam is nonsense. Yet proceed to feel angry and be tormented for something you don’t believe in!
Look at what your own hate has done to your emotional and mental state!!!!!!
And who says that I am upset that Mohammad (p) said so and so will burn in hellfire? It is YOU who have been talking about that ceaselessly! Yet you say I am upset? Again notice your blindness?
Stop that hate. Look what it has done to you. Come to Islam and learn to love.
Another blindness on your part! So you want me to stop repeating about love, yet you repeat about hate?
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Did not I specifically address YOUR POINT of marriage to girls before puberty?
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Where? Please give me the link.
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You are indeed BLIND! I posted this earlier.
And this is what YOU posted
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Those posts have been answered by the former muslim, EK and others.
Cant you give me one post for me?
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So you noted that I have posted to them. But what was it I posted? Was it not to address the point of marriage and sex for pre-pubescent girls????
Why are you so blind? Are you not going to open up your eyes that your hate is blinding you? Are you not going to open up your eyes that hate has been eating your from the inside? Are you not going to open up your eyes that hate, bile, contempt and vengeance is bad for your emotional and mental state?
Come now. Drop that hate. Learn to love. Come to Islam with me.
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Piggy
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| abdullahnoor wrote: | | Learn to love. Come to Islam with me. |
Dear Abdullahnoor,
One does not need to embrace Mohammed's Islam to love or learn to love.
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One does not need Mohammed's Islam to love or worship the maker.
One does not even need to give the maker a man-made name.
It is a pity that so many people claim that the maker hates this or that person, people, race or religion as Mohammed has led people to believe without knowing.
Love is initially passed on through one's parents, whether they be religious or not.
As you advise Adnan to love and let go of hate, do you also advise Allah to let go of the hate that Mohammed's Quran suggests Allah has for those unbelievers that Allah has allegedly pre-ordained to be incapable of believing and thus allegedly hates?
Why would our maker create people deliberately to not believe in him and thus be hated by him?
Regards.
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abdullahnoor
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Piggy
As you can see, Muslim-haters’ hate is eating them from the inside. That hate is residing in you too. And it is also eating your from the inside. Look at the irony you post!
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As you advise Adnan to love and let go of hate, do you also advise Allah to let go of the hate that Mohammed's Quran suggests Allah has for those unbelievers that Allah has allegedly pre-ordained to be incapable of believing and thus allegedly hates?
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Now I am sure you reject Islam, no? Then why do are you concerned if Allah says this or that?
Hellooooo????
Why are you so concerned about what someone or what some being says, if you do not believe in that someone or being?
So instead of propagating love and peace, you indulge in hate and self-torment!
See what hate has done to you?
Drop your hate before it eats you completely. Come to Islam and learn to love.
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muslim4ever
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adnan
| Quote: | You're saying that having sex with a 9 year old little girl is LEGAL ?
So you admit that Quran allows sex with pre-puberty kids? |
One of the most famous accusations repeatedly used by Adnan and islam-haters here against our prophet Mohammad Peace be upon him, is the matter regarding his marriage to Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) at her young age.
I would like to mention some facts that gives lawfulness to prophet Mohammad and Aisha`s marriage.
A- It is interesting to note that Aisha was already engaged to a man named Jubair Ibn al Mut’am inb ‘Adi before she become engaged to Muhammad (pbuh). Back then, society did not object to Aisha's engagement to Jubair.
B- Muhammad(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and Aisha(may Allah be pleased with her) lived in a society and culture that existed 1400 years ago, and we must not judge what he or others did based on the standards we have set today.
C- The appropriate time for the woman to marry is related to her physiological changes. And in some hot areas in this world, girls have their periods in a young age and that exactly what happen to Aisha(may Allah be pleased with her ). And we have to remember the fact that prophet Mohammed waited two more years until he practically marry her.
if this marriage was unusual ,Muhammad's adversaries would not have ignored the matter and remained silent. They would undoubtedly have seized the opportunity to accuse him to that effect .
The Young Marriage of `Âishah
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DoctorNO
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A- It is interesting to note that Aisha was already engaged to a man named Jubair Ibn al Mut’am inb ‘Adi before she become engaged to Muhammad (pbuh). Back then, society did not object to Aisha's engagement to Jubair.
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Many fixed marriages involve engagements of young children. But that doesnt mean the fucking of young girls. It only means that both are destined to be married at their MATURITY.
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B- Muhammad(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and Aisha(may Allah be pleased with her) lived in a society and culture that existed 1400 years ago, and we must not judge what he or others did based on the standards we have set today.
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Living with murderers doesnt mean you have to be a murderer.
Living with robbers doesnt mean you have to be a robber.
Living with barbarians doesnt meant you have to be a barbarian.
Living with pedophiles doesnt mean you have to be a pedophile.
But Mohammed lived by the despicable standards of the barbarians. becoming a robber, murderer and a pedophile. Another proof that he was a PHONEY. Prophets are supposed to be prime examples of ADVANCED MORAL STANDARDS.
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C- The appropriate time for the woman to marry is related to her physiological changes. And in some hot areas in this world, girls have their periods in a young age and that exactly what happen to Aisha(may Allah be pleased with her ). And we have to remember the fact that prophet Mohammed waited two more years until he practically marry her.
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Scientific findings proves that at most a female can reach full physical maturity 3 years AFTER they reach their menses. Mental maturity occurs much later than that.
In plain words the earliest possible age a girl could reach physical maturity is age 12. In colder countries that age would be higher.
You have no excuse.
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if this marriage was unusual ,Muhammad's adversaries would not have ignored the matter and remained silent. They would undoubtedly have seized the opportunity to accuse him to that effect .
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Not if thousands of people worships him as a prophet.
muslim4ever, you cannot defend the false religion of Islam. try as you might there is no Allah to hear your prayers....just look at the islamic nations...all miserable. There is no Allah. Mohammed is a false prophet. |
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adnan
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AbdullahNoor | Quote: | | And who says that I am upset that Mohammad (p) said so and so will burn in hellfire? |
Then why do you call us muslim haters?
| Quote: | | Now I am sure you reject Islam, no? Then why do are you concerned if Allah says this or that? |
My God Pikachoo told us all we say here on FFI. Pikachoo is my God and he tells me all these things about Islam, how bad it is, and what a liar Mohammed was.
Now, you dont beleive in Pikachoo so why are you concerned?
| Quote: | | But do you remember what I said about it? You don’t, do you? |
What did you say?
| Quote: | | So what about your god pikachoo? Do I care? |
Then why are you on this website?
| Quote: | | On the other hand, you appear very frustrated, angry, sleepless, full of bile, for something you don’t believe in! You say Islam is nonsense. Yet proceed to feel angry and be tormented for something you don’t believe in! |
i had good sleep last night, so please shut up. thanks
| Quote: | | Look at what your own hate has done to your emotional and mental state!!!!!! |
ohh ohh  
| Quote: | | And who says that I am upset that Mohammad (p) said so and so will burn in hellfire? |
so whats your problem on this site? why do you call us muslim haters if you were not upset with it?
| Quote: | | Again notice your blindness? |
Again? Again? Again eating candy, Abdullah? Again beleiving in Islam the false religion? Again noticing how great Mohammed was a liar? Again Again, Abdullah?
| Quote: | | Another blindness on your part! So you want me to stop repeating about love, yet you repeat about hate? |
oh oh oh
| Quote: | | But what was it I posted? Was it not to address the point of marriage and sex for pre-pubescent girls???? |
So who's the one getting angry now, Abdullah? Again Angry ?Again following the false religion of Islam? Again calling Mohammed a pedophile ?
| Quote: | | Come now. Drop that hate. Learn to love. Come to Islam with me. |
Come to Anti-Islam. Come now. Drop that hate. Learn to live. Come out of Islam with me. There are no houris in the end. Come out of Islam. There are no houris in the end. Allah is not a God. Come out of Islam. Mohammed was a liar. Come out of Islam.
| Quote: | I go by what Quran says.
Why dont you ask the question to scholars and ask them their interpretation of the verse? |
yes, this was the last answer I gave to you. Why did you not answer it?
Have you asked your scholars to interpret the Quranic verse in question?
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adnan
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muslim4ever
your post has been answered by DoctorNo, thanks to DoctorNO | Quote: | | It is interesting to note that Aisha was already engaged to a man named Jubair Ibn al Mut’am inb ‘Adi before she become engaged to Muhammad (pbuh). |
I will need to see the hadith. What have you said about the topic of this thread?
| Quote: | | And we have to remember the fact that prophet Mohammed waited two more years until he practically marry her. |
So what makes you think he was checking her out everyday to see if she had reached puberty? in our country, girls get engaged and marry after months or even years. Were the guys waiting to reach puberty? In this case infact, the girl is engaged when she has REACHED PUBERTY.
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Mullah Mo
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You allow sex slavery that is happening this very instant in your backyard, yet you condemn Islam for looking after slaves 1400 years ago????
Hypocrisy at work?????
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Hello abdullahnoor,
I don't think we've met. I'm Mullah Mo. So you're saying 1400 years ago?? Sex slavery is not part of Islamic tradition NOW?
Below is an excerpt from a news article I was reading earlier today.
| Quote: | Afghan authorities say they have rescued 85 boys - some as young as four - who had been abducted, possibly for trafficking abroad.
Boys were then smuggled across the border to religious schools in tribal regions of Pakistan, where they were "brainwashed, mentally, physically and sexually abused... thus becoming a weapon of Pakistan's intelligence and religious parties,"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3139740.stm |
How's that for starters?? |
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| abdullahnoor wrote: |
Can you not see the blatant display of hypocrisy here? Can you not notice your blindness?
Come down from your high horse. Your hate has blinded you. Look at what it has done to your judgement.
Drop your hate. It is eating you from the inside. Realise it before it is too late. Hate is bad. Learn to love. Come to Islam with me. |
Hate is bad. Yes. And the quran teaches hate. So, rationally, I stay away from it. ^_^
See, a religion that teaches it's followers that those who do not choose to follow it will burn in hellfire can never be considered a peaceful religion. While many of it's adherents will not do anyone any harm, some will choose to take arms against the unbeleivers and do horrible things.
Now, back to the sex slavery issue. I wasnt even aware of the allegations you were spewing forth, so how can you possibly blame me there? Now that you have brought this issue forth, I shall definately look into it. For now, I suggest you sit down, have some nice tea, and relax your obviously disturbed mind. Sex slavery is NEVER condonable, no matter who is doing it. But a religious faith thatb sucks people in and makes them attatched to it that also condones such slavery? VERY dangerous.
Understand now?
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