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Ari
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 Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:35 am Post subject: To Menj, Buddhism doesn't have God creator to worship period |
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Menjy boy,
Rather than looking for answers with your equally ignorant Muslim friends on what Buddhists believe or not believe you'd better read this:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8045_1.html
| Quote: | • Belief in Deity
Mahayana Buddhism (like Theravada Buddhism) posits no Creator or ruler God. However, deity belief is present in the Mahayana doctrine of The Three Bodies (forms) of Buddha: (1) Body of Essence--the indescribable, impersonal Absolute Reality, or Ultimate Truth that is Nirvana (Infinite Bliss); (2) Body of Bliss or Enjoyment--Buddha as divine, deity, formless, celestial spirit with saving power of grace, omnipotence, omniscience; and (3) Body of Transformation or Emanation--an illusion or emanation in human form provided by the divine Buddha to guide humans to Enlightenment. Any person can potentially achieve Buddhahood, transcending personality and becoming one with the impersonal Ultimate Reality, which is Infinite Bliss (Nirvana). There are countless Buddhas presiding over countless universes. Bodhisattvas--humans and celestial spirits who sacrifice their imminent liberation (Buddhahood) to help all others to become liberated--are revered or worshipped as gods or saints by some. |
Ultimately at the center of Buddhism, salvation doesn't depend on worship or belief in any deity. It takes thorough understanding and practice. Zen is clear in this, it is devoid of doctrines and deity. If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!
Buddha is NEVER worshipped as God the creator by any Buddhist (not those Buddhists with some knowledge of Buddhism anyway, East or West, Theravada or Mahayana). He is revered as a saint or a deva/deity, yes but not as God in a monotehistic concept, AND THIS IS NOT A MUST but mostly a tradition or cultural thing. Tell this to your Chinese Muslim friend. 
Ari
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adnan
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Menj, Islam is a true religion! Mohammed was the last prophet of Allah.
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| wasn't buddha a lunatic who was once imprisoned and became insane, cause of this he started hallucinating with mythical ideas. later he was retarted and kept in a mental hospital where he died. many of his well wishers follow him today and can be seen here. |
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Ari
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| Personal Touch wrote: | | wasn't buddha a lunatic who was once imprisoned and became insane, cause of this he started hallucinating with mythical ideas. later he was retarted and kept in a mental hospital where he died. many of his well wishers follow him today and can be seen here. |
Mmmm...you got it confused pal. It was Muhammad of Arabia you were talking about. 
Ari
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:29 am Post subject: Re: To Menj, Buddhism doesn't have God creator to worship pe |
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| Ari wrote: |
Buddha is NEVER worshipped as God the creator by any Buddhist (not those Buddhists with some knowledge of Buddhism anyway, East or West, Theravada or Mahayana). |
Believe me, I made special mention of this in the chapter dealing with Buddhist ethics and social order. If the material I have pasted thus far is making you nervous, you really haven't seen everything yet.
Have a nice day.
- MENJ
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Mullah Mo
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| Personal Touch wrote: | | wasn't buddha a lunatic who was once imprisoned and became insane, cause of this he started hallucinating with mythical ideas. later he was retarted and kept in a mental hospital where he died. many of his well wishers follow him today and can be seen here. |
Now, we all know that Mohammed suffered from epileptic seizures, right??? Okay then, here’s an excerpt from the interview with the doctor.
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: Now, why do these patients have intense religious experiences when they have these seizures? And why do they become preoccupied with theological and religious matters even in between seizures?
One possibility is that the seizure activity in the temporal lobes somehow creates all kinds of odd, strange emotions in the person's mind...in the person's brain. And this welling up of bizarre emotions may be interpreted by the patient as visits from another world, or as, "God is visiting me." Maybe that's the only way he can make sense of this welter of strange emotions going on in his brain. Another possibility is that this is something to do with the way in which the temporal lobes are wired up to deal with the world emotionally. As we walk around and interact with the world, you need some way of determining what's important, what's emotionally salient and what's relevant to you versus something trivial and unimportant.
You can read more from him at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2812mind.html
If Mohammed were alive today he’ll be one of Dr. Ramanchandran’s patients. He will just straiten out Mo’s problem of angels visiting him and hearing of Allah’s voice.
In 1997 Vilayanur Ramachandran and his colleagues from the University of California at San Diego headed a research study. The team studied patients of temporal lobe epilepsy measuring galvanic skin response on the left hands of the patients (11). This measurement allowed the research team to monitor arousal (specific autonomic nervous system response) and indirectly surmise the communication between the inferior temporal lobe and the amygdala, both important in response related to fear and arousal.
In addition to two control groups a religious control group and a non-religious control group, each group was shown forty words, including violent words, sexual words, and simple words (like "wheel"), and finally, religious-related words. The results of the study showed a greater arousal in the temporal lobe epilepsy sufferers to religious words in comparison to the non-religious, whom were aroused by sexual words, and religious control groups, whom were aroused by religious and sexual words.
Now you can see why Mohammed was such a “horny old man who was also very religious”.
The most astonishing part of Dr. Ramachandran's research has to do with seizures. There is a remarkable connection between seizures and religious behaviors. Humans tend to behave like prophets after seizures. They speak of visions of the future. Their visions are apocalyptic. They speak of encounters with supernatural powers. Strong activities in the temporal lobes are evident. The temporal lobes control memory and behavior.
http://www.saliu.com/bbs/messages/615.html
Mohammed was also a schizophrenic by medical definition. And yes, Islam is a lie invented by a schizophrenic. The physical symptoms of schizophrenia preceding visions and voices:
While the Wahy (inspiration) lasted, according to his wife Aisha, there were the sounds of bells ringing as he sweated profusely. He would become greatly perturbed and his face would change (Sahih Muslim). Muslim Tradition tells us that sometimes he would shiver and swoon, his mouth would foam, and he would roar like a camel (Mishkat IV p.359). LOL..……….. Are you for real??
At other times when the inspiration descended there was the sound near his face like the buzzing of bees (from 'Umar ibnu'l Khattab), while at other times he felt a tremendous headache (from Abu Hurairah). Many times it seemed to his friends that he swooned and looked like someone intoxicated (Pfander 1910:346).
I would like for who are reading this to imagine what would it be like if Mohammed were alive today. Would people consider him a prophet of Allah or would we send him to a psychiatric hospital?? Would people take him seriously after knowing what they know now about the inner workings of human mind??
If Buddha were alive today, he’d be doing tours and giving speeches in the Universities in the West and the U.S. He will have stressed issues such as world peace and disarming of the entire globe. I can say this by judging the way his devout follower Dali Lama is being treated by the world academia. The Universities’ professors and the students alike have listened to his speeches with total amazement of the wisdom this man possesses.
How many Mullahs and Immams do you know holds this kind of clout in the intellectuals’ circles??Mohammed on the other hand, would be locked up in the mental hospital with straitjacketed and sedated for preaching about killing people and taking over the world………….lol
So, tell us where you got this crazy idea that Buddha was insane. Not just tell us he was because that’s not good enough in the year 2003. You see, in today’s world we need proofs, like what I’ve done above to your Mohammed. I’m asking you if you can do the same about the Buddha??
BTW, I think all the religions are going to die out. Starting with Islam.
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Mullah Mo
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The only thing we feel nervous about Islam and Muslims are the senseless and crazy things this psychotic cult will do before it finally dies out.
"They can do no harm, but a trifling annoyance; And if they engage you, they will turn and flee. Then afterwards nothing will avail them." [The Holy Qur'ân 3:111]
Also, I’ve never turned and flee from a confrontation with a Muslim; nether did the U.S. military during the war with Taliban and Iraq.
Quran indeed has been proven wrong, once again………. |
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Mullah Mo
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| adnan wrote: | | Menj, Islam is a true religion! Mohammed was the last prophet of Allah. |
Adnan,
I think Menj was right after all. Islam is a true religion and Mohammed was the latest prophet of Allah and not Anti-Christ.
JERUSALEM—In a surprise announcement with far-reaching theological implications, Jesus Christ The Nazarene, founder of Christianity and spiritual leader of nearly two billion people, revealed Monday that He has converted to "the one true religion" of Islam.
You can read the whole story at :
http://www.theonion.com/onion3513/christ_islam.html
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Mullah Mo
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Ari
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| Quote: | If Buddha were alive today, he’d be doing tours and giving speeches in the Universities in the West and the U.S. He will have stressed issues such as world peace and disarming of the entire globe. I can say this by judging the way his devout follower Dali Lama is being treated by the world academia. The Universities’ professors and the students alike have listened to his speeches with total amazement of the wisdom this man possesses.
How many Mullahs and Immams do you know holds this kind of clout in the intellectuals’ circles??Mohammed on the other hand, would be locked up in the mental hospital with straitjacketed and sedated for preaching about killing people and taking over the world………….lol |
I've been asking the same questions to Menj with no answer. He keeps talking about "Islamic science" though 
Great post, however Mullah, as usual.
Ari
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ultraman agul
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| Ari wrote: |
I've been asking the same questions to Menj with no answer. He keeps talking about "Islamic science" though |
That's probably because I don't bother answering polemical travesties which has no basis on historical fact. Besides, the claim of "epilepsy" towards the Prophet (P) has been succinctly dealt with here.
So instead of wasting your time hiding here and patting each other on the back, why don't you try answering the problems found in Buddhist ethics and social order, huh? It is strange that you are so quick to take advantage at every chance to smear Islam, but fail to defend your belief system when opportunity presents itself. How shameful!
- MENJ
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Mullah Mo
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| ultraman agul wrote: | the problems found in Buddhist ethics and social order
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Menj,
Firs of all, I would like to tell you that it is an honor to share this website with you.
In July a brand new website was launched about Murtads from Malaysia
This is a site about, and especially for, Malaysian apostates of Islam. But it is highly interesting, and very informative, for all of us, about life conditions for apostates in an Islamic country.
The situation for Malaysian ex-Muslims is very hard:
Two states in Malysia have death penalty for apostasy.
An Imam, the police or the state can take a child into custody if the parent converts from Islam to another faith.
Are you suffering in Malaysia? Are you afraid to return to Malaysia? Had enough with Malaysia and thinking of emigrating? This site gives you advice about how to emigrate from Malaysia.
http://www.geocities.com/murtad_malaysia/index.html
Isn’t this your country Menj?? The beacon of the Islamic world. Geez, if this is happening in Malaysia, what the chances does the Saudi Arabia have.
Is this one of the problem you found in the Buddhist ethics?? They do not kill a person or take away their kids for leaving Buddhism??
An unnamed 15-year-old girl is assaulted by 18 boys, most of them not much older than she is. Sonia, also 15, is raped by seven of her supposed friends in the basement of her apartment building. Sheherezade, 11, is beaten and raped repeatedly over the course of a year by 12 different boys.
Built by socially progressive governments in the 1960s, they’ve since been taken over by a generation of mostly Arab immigrants—impoverished, cut off from their native lands and culture, ghettoized. Here, young men try to rule their families and neighbors under a macho code drawn partly from Muslim tradition, partly from the violence and porn in the media.
They reflect a core issue of Muslim integration in Europe. Can the young men and women of the cites break out, or will they become ever more isolated, turning inward against themselves?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/950453.asp
The problems with Buddhist ethics and morality have caused the Asian immigrants “Buddhists” to integrate with the host countries, i.e. Western countries. It also prevented the young men from raping their fellow Buddhist girls in a basement of a housing projects.
The Buddhists of S.E Asia are commonly made fun of by “Menj and Jihadjay” because their countries are poor. They say they’re poor because of Buddhism and it’s teachings and never point their fingers at the Governments.
If Buddhism and its ethics are a problem, how come these same Buddhists who came from Vietnam, Laos, Burma, etc, have prospered in the Western countries?? Especially in the U.S., Some S.E. Asians (Buddhists) are better off then their American host.
While Muslims from Islamic countries are getting slapped with “terror” charges, they’re integrating with the society as a whole. Prospering, raising families and opening new business.
A baby girl who lost an eye and parts of an ear and forehead in an acid attack is the youngest victim of a brutal crime wave sweeping Bangladesh.
Throwing Acid on babies?? Yeah, Bangladesh is a Buddhist country and because of Buddhist ethics and morality they’re throwing acid on a baby.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/19/1047749823010.html
Dhaka - A 24-year-old man was sentenced to death in Bangladesh for throwing acid on his nine-year-old bride, disfiguring and blinding her for life, prosecution lawyers said on Tuesday.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/955179/posts
Here’s the demonstration of the superior Islamic ethics and moral code. Didn’t Mohammed had a 9 year old wife??
In countries like Burma, if you marry a 9 year old child, you will be lynched. These Buddhists lynch child molesters because of “problems’” found in Buddhist ethics and morality.
The acid attack occurred five years ago after Gazi tried to establish sexual relations with his nine-year-old wife Monira Begum, who refused to go to her husband's home.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=126&art_id=qw1059477484331B215&set_id=1
Of course she’s didn’t want to go home with him, she’s still a child.
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - A Pakistani woman made a public appeal Saturday for her husband to be arrested for scarring her face with acid, a plea for justice that is becoming more common as a growing number of South Asians speak out against the rarely punished practice of violence against women.
India has stepped up police patrols in Indian-administered Kashmir to prevent acid attacks on women who do not follow the Islamic dress code.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1487395.stm
Buddhist ethics and morality is a problem because the followers do not get punished with acid when they fail to follow the teachings of the Buddha.
There were 46 cases of acid attacks on women reported in Pakistan's largest province, Punjab, in 2002. "It was like burning in hell," says Zarina Ramzan, recalling how acid burned through her upper body, melting away the skin and flesh on her face, neck and chest.
Her neighbour, Nazar Hussain, is now on trial for attempted murder. Prosecutors say he wanted revenge because Zarina had rejected his advances. Wasn’t it written in the Quran that a woman can’t reject the advances of a man?? What happened here is not his fault. He was just following the teachings of Mohammed.
Here is a list of other crimes committed in Islamic countries but never nothing to do with Islam.
Honor Killingsin Palestine http://www.merip.org/mer/mer206/ruggi.htm Most of the victims were under the age of 18 and some had been sexually abused or raped by male relatives, according to statistics released by Palestinian police Thursday.
http://www.mered.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3&FORUM_ID=1&CAT_ID=1&Forum_Title=News&Topic_Title=31%2B+Palestinian+women+murdered+in+%27honor%27+killings
Muslim women, primarily, are being oppressed, and in miltant societies are abused by radical Islam and culture just because they are women. In some Islamic cultures women are ridiculously considered to be the devil. Thank God I am not a Muslim living in a Muslim nation today because I'd have even less of a chance of surviving now. These Muslim women and men need more than illusions and fanatasies; they need real help, and one way that begins is by changing education and removing the lies that have been taught. Here is the Profile of A Martyr".
http://www.vibrani.com/honorkillings.htm
Women in the Arab world face government-sponsored discrimination that renders them unequal before the law - including discriminatory family codes that take away women's legal authority and place it in the hands of male family members - and restricts women's participation in public life.Abuses against women are relentless, systematic, and widely
tolerated, if not explicitly condoned.
http://www.saudihr.org/en/WOMEN%20RIGHTS.htm
This is happening in the birth place of Islam.
http://www.saudihr.org/en/women%20in%20saudi%20arabia.htm
'Honor' Killings in Turkey Last month a woman named Cemse Allak was buried in a corner of a municipal cemetery here. Ms. Allak, unmarried and pregnant, had died from a stoning.
http://www.bianet.org/2003/07/25_eng/news21434.htm
http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/dilberk.htm
Eight years ago a young Jordanian Muslim woman, Dalia, was stabbed to death by her father in a Jordanian "honour killing". Dalia had fallen in love with a man, Michael, from a different religion - a Roman Catholic in the Jordanian army.
"Ninety percent of the cases that occur are based on just rumour and suspicion," Miss Khouri told the BBC World Service's Everywoman programme.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2802305.stm
I can go on and on. It’s so easy to dig up problems about Islam. Here’s the deal Menj, I want you to provide us with the just as much, if not more, information then I’ve provide above concerning Buddhism.
Maybe you’re not able to understand the teaching of the Buddha and Buddhism. A Buddhist would not do evil not because of he/she is afraid of the wrath of the Almighty Allah. They refrain from evil because they know it in their hearts that it is wrong.
The problem with Muslims is that they want to change or control the world. In reality they can’t. No one can control the world or change the universe. Buddhists on the other hand adapt to the surroundings. Meditation is self-change.
When you conquer self, you have conquered the world – The Buddha. |
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Mullah Mo wrote: | In July a brand new website was launched about Murtads from Malaysia
This is a site about, and especially for, Malaysian apostates of Islam. But it is highly interesting, and very informative, for all of us, about life conditions for apostates in an Islamic country. |
I have visited the site before. Basically it campaigns for ICs to be rid of "Islam" and that Islam should be removed as the official religion of Malaysia in the Constitution. Two things that would never be done, not even in a thousand lifetimes. Why?
1) To change the Constitution, you must have 2/3rds majority in Parliament. More than 2/3rds of the people sitting in the parliament are Muslims.
2) Before the Constitution can be changed, it must go through the 2/3rds majority stage at the State Assembly level. Again, these states are controlled by Muslims.
3) The removal of "Islam" from the Malaysian Constitution would mean the stripping of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (Paramount Ruler) and the Sultans in the State-level as the leader for Islamic affairs and knowledge. To acknowledge the removal, THEY must approve it through their Majlis Raja-Raja (The Royal Council).
4) Finally, the so-called "movement for apostacy" in Malaysia must appeal to the hearts and minds of the majority of Muslims here, who have always acknowledged Islam as their raison d'etre, and have owed their culture, language and traditions to Islam.
You may convey these reasons to Murtad Mama as to why she and her movement is doomed to fail from the start, with my heartiest greetings.
The rest of your commentary on cultural, non-Islamic traditions, I snip for brevity.
Best regards.
- MENJ
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Mullah Mo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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I can go on and on. It’s so easy to dig up the dirt about Islam. Here’s the deal Menj, I want you to provide us with the just as much, if not more, information then I’ve provide above concerning Buddhism.
Menj,
I want you to do what I asked you to above since you found many problems with Buddhism and Buddhist ethics. Then I will reply to your little comment you made on my next post. COMPRENDE?? |
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Mullah Mo
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| ultraman agul wrote: |
The rest of your commentary on cultural, non-Islamic traditions, I snip for brevity.
Best regards.
- MENJ |
Almost everything I said above on my post is being perpetrated by Muslims in Islamic countries. It’s up to you, me, and the readers to think what we like. We can all play this game called “ignoring the obvious”.
When the day comes (WW3) you will only see me in the battle field with the gun and we will see who’s telling the truth. It seems like we have no choice. Only the later generations will read about us in the history books and see what this religion of “Islam” did to create the global war called WW3.
I’m going to stick to my point. I don’t see Buddhists throwing grenades in to churches and shooting at Hindu pilgrims. I also have not seen Christians blowing up 2000 years old Buddha’s statues with RPGs. The rest of the humanity is stepping into the age of awareness and Islam is still hitting the snooze button on the alarm clock trying to go back to sleep.
BTW, most of them are happening in the birth place of Islam. Maybe you should tell these Arabs how to live an Islamic way. |
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Ari
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| Quote: | | The rest of your commentary on cultural, non-Islamic traditions, I snip for brevity. |
Yeah right, Menj...brevity ain't it?? Or is it too painful to read?
| Quote: | | I can go on and on. It’s so easy to dig up problems about Islam. Here’s the deal Menj, I want you to provide us with the just as much, if not more, information then I’ve provide above concerning Buddhism. |
Clap...clap...clap...hat off Mullah. Please rest assured Menj has been challenged with a similar fatwa in the past, and he had to paste the same pictures of Srilankan Buddhist monks demonstrating to demand that the Taliban "be punished" for destroying the Buddha statue and burning their effigies THREE TIMES, at least.
Internet isn't very cooperative with Menj when it comes to support his wish that Buddhism is backward.
Ari
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Ari wrote: |
Yeah right, Menj...brevity ain't it?? Or is it too painful to read? |
Yes, brevity, as its definition to be found here.
| Quote: | | Internet isn't very cooperative with Menj when it comes to support his wish that Buddhism is backward. |
Ah...but you'll be surprised if you read the footnotes supplied in the Primer. The majority of references came from Buddhist sources. However, I would have to disappoint you as I would be delaying the publishing of the Primer due to quality control measures.
Now, if there is no further business, I am going off for lunch.
Have a nice day.
- MENJ
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ultraman agul
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| Mullah Mo wrote: | | I can go on and on. It’s so easy to dig up the dirt about Islam. Here’s the deal Menj, I want you to provide us with the just as much, if not more, information then I’ve provide above concerning Buddhism. |
I have a whole chapter dedicated to the problems of Buddhism and Buddhists in the world today. Its not such a big deal.
But as I have told Ari here, you'll just have to wait for it, just like everybody else.
Now, please...I really have to go off for lunch now, okay?
- MENJ
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Mullah Mo
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It's not a big deal. Not right now. Not over the internet. But when the time comes the truth matters. Lets not confuse others.
I'm also concern about what's on the news. Show me some Buddhists on the news today. You know Islam is on the Headlines. |
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ultraman agul
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| Mullah Mo wrote: |
I'm also concern about what's on the news. Show me some Buddhists on the news today. |
Try here, here or here. And I do not have to educate you what is the majority religion of these nations are.
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Mullah Mo
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| ultraman agul wrote: |
Try here, here or here. And I do not have to educate you what is the majority religion of these nations are.
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Just “3” links?? Is that all you can find?? Fine 3 will do. I can work with 3.
The authorities detained, arrested or harassed many religious leaders and political dissidents, including members of the banned Unified Buddhist Church of Vietnam, the Hoa Hao Buddhist sect, Roman Catholics, retired Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) members and military veterans known for their criticism of the party, and ethnic minority Protestants in the northern and central highlands.
Vietnam is a communist nation. They’re arresting Buddhists and Christians who disagree with the atheist communist government. So what?? What does that have to do with Buddhism?? Nice try…..
In the run-up to Cambodia's July 27, 2003 parliamentary elections, Human Rights Watch has documented a troubling list of rights violations.1 These include the government's continuing failure to investigate cases of political violence, arbitrary restrictions on public rallies and party meetings, unfair and unequal access to the broadcast media, and numerous violations of the election law.
Again, a few people got hurt because they disagree with the ruling totalitarian government. Is that the dirt you can dig up about Buddhism?? It seems more like a political issue to me.
The OIC secretary general Abdelouahed Belkziz (Morocco) said in a statement he is following with great concern the aggressions against Muslims, nurtured by ethnic rifts, as well as the persecution, deportation and slaughter of Muslim women and children. It's more like slaughter of muslim men, deportation of women and children. At lease they're not taking them as slaves and concubines, you know, like Mo did.
The statement, deploring the serious escalation of aggressions against Muslims these past days, said Buddhist extremists burnt down and destroyed eight historical mosques in the region of Tongo and sixteen others in Mandino and governmental authorities made no move to stop the barbarous aggressions.
Let me let you in on some information. The Burmese government (Juntas) is evil. They control the absolute power. They have the largest standing army in S.E. Asia and they have the backing of China. They don’t want Islam in Burma. Who can blame them…..
They sent Special Forces (commandos) from frontlines, shave their heads, dress them in monk robes and lead a mob of soldiers. From the outside world it looks like a riot by the Burmese people but in reality, it is a carefully coordinated effort by the MI (Military Intelligence) and the Burmese Military.
Again, it’s more like a political issue then a religious one. The Buddha never advised his follower to “kill the un-believers (kafirs)”.
Judging from the information you gave me, I have come to the conclusion. The Buddhists are not doing acid attacks, honor killings, throwing grenades into a church full of worshipers, shooting at Hindus, killing of the apostates, hijacking planes and running it into buildings full of people, raiding Hindu villages and cutting the nose and ears of the villagers (even children’s), strapping C4 on their bodies and blowing up bus full of commuters, blowing up Pizza shops, blowing up night clubs and killing 202 innocent kids, marrying a 9yr old child and throwing acid on her because she wont go home with the husband, bombing planes loaded with passengers, blowing up Hotels and killing a bunch of people eating lunch.……Ok, I have to stop no my hands are getting tired.
Oh, one more thing.
These aggressions and acts of destruction threaten the very identity and existence of the Muslim community, the statement said, calling the international community and human rights organizations to endeavor with the Myanmar government to put an end to the destruction of historical mosques and places of worship, stop the aggressions against the Muslims, ensure the protection of the Muslim community and guarantee Muslims' political, social and cultural rights.
Good, now you know how it feels on the other side. |
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Ari
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Location: New York
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Menj, here is what Richard Gere, a Buddhist, said about prostrating in front of the Dalai Lama:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tibet/interviews/gere2.html
| Quote: | | And that moment from his hotel with his Holiness up there weeping at all the love around him had very clear vision of him in the Potala in Lhasa and all of us around him looking up at him and feeling the wondrous light of who he is, who he represents, which is really connected to the we are. And you do prostration to someone like the Dalai Lama, you're not prostrating to a man, you're prostrating to the god inside of you, to the divine special thing that's inside of you. And that -- and that's beyond ego beyond all that stuff. |
Got it now?
Ari
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