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CroMagnon
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 Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:16 am Post subject: Muslim M.D. declares Harun Yahya's work unscientific |
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CHANCE: Not Anti-God, But Road To God
T. O. Shanavas, M. D.
Vice President
Islamic Research Foundation International, Inc.
http://www.irfi.org/Islamic%20Articles%20Folder/CHANCE%20Not%20Anti-God,%20But%20Road%20To%20God.htm
| Quote: | Muslims believe that assigning a role for chance in the creation of the universe and its subunits--animate and inanimate--is anti-Islamic and a denial of God’s absolute control of the universe. Many Muslims, particularly Adnan Oktar, known as Harun Yahya, with the help of Christian creationists lavishly promote this belief through Muslim newspapers and magazines and create skepticism, especially among young Muslims living in the West.
These young men and women studying in Western universities get little guidance from Imams at their mosques. Many Imams (in the West and the East) have little knowledge of science and its workings. When asked about the human evolution, they say it is a theory but they cannot render a scientific definition of the word. Imams, in general, are incapable of giving believable answers to our budding anatomists, embryologists, paleontologists, molecular biologists, physicists or chemists in our prestigious universities.
Many Muslim parents living in the West have scientific training, which they use in their daily lives. Unfortunately, they too are poor guides for inquisitive young Muslim minds. They tell their children that scientific theories could be proved wrong at a later time. They ask these intelligent young men and women to listen to their Imams and believe what they say. On the other hand they, not only encourage but also sometimes pressure their children to major in scientific fields. What an amazing contradiction! Encouraging the study of science but rejecting its discoveries!! People like Harun Yahya, using out-of-context quotes from scientific journals mislead Muslims, who are scientifically unschooled, into believing the fundamentalist Christian doctrine of the so-called "scientific"creationism.
Furthermore, these Muslim cohorts of fundamentalist Christians lead young Muslims, studying science in American universities, into disbelief because they discover the flaws and half-truths in an imported "scientific"creationism.
Yahya and other anti-evolutionist Muslims reject chance events happening in nature. For them, the universe, with its animate and inanimate matter, is a clock and God is the clockmaker. The clockmaker set the clock in motion and it continues to tick away towards the Day of Judgment. This miraculous clock never slows down, never run fast and never stops. A perfect clock!! If the universe does run like a clock, then future events should be precisely predictable. Our whole lives and futures are predetermined and we have no freedom to actualize any possibility or affect any change in the universe. The universe is a mechanical clock whose function is predetermined in the past and all God does is watch it tick away. What we have is an unemployed god!! .....
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Islamic Book review
The Islamic Center
of Greater Toledo
http://www.icgt.org/BookReviews/BREvolutionDeceit.htm
| Quote: | The Evolution Deceit
Author: Harun Yehia
A Fundamentalist Christian Doctrine With The Islamic Veil
by T.O.Shanavas.M.D.
Many Muslims and Islamic Centers use the book "The Evolution Deceit"by Harun Yahya to discredit the Theory of Evolution. I happened to see this book displayed in at least one Islamic Center in Toledo, Ohio. A book review with the heading "The Evolution Deceit Reveals Holes in Theory"by an anonymous author in Minaret states: the book "gives necessary answers to the evolutionist propaganda."The author adds: the book "displays the fraudulence and distortions [by] evolutionist scientists."[Minaret Vol 22:8].
NO!!! In fact in his book Yahya distorts the honest mainstream scientists by fraudulently manipulating their statements. This book is a classic carbon copy of fundamentalist Christian arguments of Institute for Creation Research (ICR), San Diego, CA.
Yahya cunningly launches the ICR arguments in a Muslim mold with frequent references to Allah and the Qur'an. Behaving like a good student of the ICR, he transcribed into his book all ICR arguments such as lack of transitional fossils, the impossibility of functioning intermediate forms, the fraud of human evolutions, the unreliability of the dating methods, and the statistical improbability of evolution at the molecular levels.
Even though the Qur'an commands, "Conceal not evidence"[Qur’an 2: 283], Yahya conveniently ignores the fact that the rest of the article or other articles in the same issue of the journal that defend and support evolution, .....
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..... To conclude, Yahya's mentors are fundamentalist Christians. Yahya's tactics and strategies are those practiced by the fundamentalist Christians. Yahya even fraudulently venerate Duane Gish, Morris, etc., as "World-renowned"scientists and evolution experts. Therefore, Yahya's book, The Evolution Deceit, is a fundamentalist Christian fraud, under the cover of Islamic veil, that misrepresents Islam and the Qur'an. Those Muslims that promote Yahya's book as savior of Muslims from the "secular ideology" of evolution must look for some other source than Yahya's book. |
  
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Ze Frog
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Great, I'm getting sick reading all those praises to Mr Yahya in French islamic fora.
Those articles will be really helpfull.. |
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CroMagnon
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Susan
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Haruun Yayah is reportedly a pervert arrested by the Turkish gov't for "right-hand possessing" under-age Turkish girls.
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Gauge
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| Quote: | | Haruun Yayah is reportedly a pervert arrested by the Turkish gov't for "right-hand possessing" under-age Turkish girls. |
There is a good possibility that he will come up with a scientific explanation for that as well...inspired by...you've guessed it...
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Unknown 125
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| Gauge wrote: | | Quote: | | Haruun Yayah is reportedly a pervert arrested by the Turkish gov't for "right-hand possessing" under-age Turkish girls. |
There is a good possibility that he will come up with a scientific explanation for that as well...inspired by...you've guessed it...
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He might also follow the example of a Swiss chap that had played his role as religious leader of a small sect untill the police arrested him for screwing the 12 year old daughters of his followers.
In front of the judge he told that it had not been his own will: it was the evil spirit XYZ (or whatever name he gave it) that had taken possesion of him and made him commit these crimes. Pity for him the judge didn't believe him and felt a bit repulsed by the idea of a 55 year old man screwing children. Hey, where have we heard this one before?
Pity also for the 12 year old girls that were convinced that by screwing them he had purified their bodies. Oh yeah! Such a good man!
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CroMagnon
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Unknown 125
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Behold! The finishing part of the response of Harun Yahya to a supporter of evolution theory:
Despite his loyalty towards Darwinism, Primanda says that he is a believing Muslim. We respect that. But we would be remiss not to point out the contradiction between his faith in Islam and Darwinism. He should ask himself: If he is a believing Muslim, why is he defending a theory which is championed by outright and militant atheists? If he is a believing Muslim, why is he working to defend this theory, which is the basis for Marxism, Leninism, Maoism, Freudianism, and, most importantly, all materialist philosophy? He shouldn't try to answer these questions by saying that he's doing this for the sake of science, because today the entire world knows that Darwinism is not a scientific theory, but rather a philosophy. It is a philosophy whose very reason for existence is to deny creation and the Creator.
What is so striking about Yahya is that he, as no other, seems to be able to penetrate the mind and motives of people who happen to support other views than he and manage to display the brutality of separating science and religion.
Furthermore I am convinced that Harun Yahya is silently hoping for his own special Column in Nature or Science, named "The Clowns Corner".
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Adnan Oktar is suppesedly Harun Yahya. But this is false. this ``Harun Yahya`` wrote so many books, booklets, articles and pamphlets, that it would be quite impossible to be just one person.
Rather all his disciples, and Islamists supporters are chipping in and sesearching and writing under this pen name (Harun Yahya) to make this writer look more prolific.
I read that he is supported financially by some shadowy Wahaabi outfit throught diverse ``charities`` and foundations. The purpose is to turn Turkey from an aspiring European state into a barbaric, Arab and Islamist oriented satellite state.
For this purpose a broad attack on Darwinism, Materialism, and Science in general is financed through this Harun Yahya platform as well as a few others.
They do sue some of the same arguments against Evolution Theory that Christian Scientists use. They add to it an Islamic spin for theological purposes, but they do not put forward any new theories. They just refurbish some of the arguments of Christian creationists and Young Earth advocates.
This multiple author (all writing under the same pen name) never acknowledge any of the Christian sources they use. Plagiarism in the name of Islam. How can you trust a bunch of thieves?
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Reynolds
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This is a bit unfair:
| Quote: | | Haruun Yayah is reportedly a pervert arrested by the Turkish gov't for "right-hand possessing" under-age Turkish girls. |
Please provide evidence for such denigrating statements.
I agree with Bread that 'Harun Yahya' is a name of a body of people ( iahve heard a Muslim once saying this), and that they are obviously funded by someone (though I doubt it is Wahhabis, who only just tolerate him). The amount of work put out in such a short amount of time, and produced so lavishly is simply not normal. Anyway, it's good to see 'him' getting knocked down by other Muslims. Thanks for that. |
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