Faith Freedom International

[Devon]

I really enjoyed this article and I have seen these stats posted elsewhere on FFI by other peoples........in particular the Stat about Islam losing thousands daily to Christianity alone caught my eye.....being that I am a Christian I of course applaud this but I am doubtful as so high a figure!

Do some of you also find this hard to believe? I say this because Muslims are absolutely notorious for inflating figures.....ie Fastest growing religion rubbish..........Now I know this is a negative figure for Islam for the Sheik to be quoting but it does seem somewhat excessive!??

Now I am aware of places like Indonesia since the mid 60's , millions of muslims, nominal or otherwise have left Islam for Christianity and I am aware in Persia, that indeed Millions have left Islam for Secularism or other faiths.

And also, I do know that in Sub Sahara Africa, many african muslims have left the fold wonderfully also...........

But is there any other corraboration to testify to these rather stunning amounts of Muslims leaving African Islam at the rate of 600 per hour?

Is there any Africans out there that can verify this for us or someone in the know? Is this chap who spoke these numbers to Al Jeezra reputable??

Just wondering....

Thanks Folks!!!

Devonator

[Unknown 80]

I severely doubt the figures and consider them gross exaggerations, meant to scare and help mobilize the islamists in these countries to a greater militancy towards any who might leave islam.

[Mullah Mo]

[TruthSpeaker]

The issue is for all religions these days. Very few people go around carrying a card claiming their tithe paying status to any religious insititution. Muslims who stop being muslims are not going to advertise. Statistics of people leaving or joining a faith these days are going to be unreliable.
Is Irshad Manji a muslim? She says she is. She is a canadian self proclaimed lesbian. Lesbian and Islam?
Is Alibhai Brown a muslim? She says she is. Alibhai proclaims Sharia to be barbaric.
The boundary between a true believer and an apostate is not sharp but very very fuzzy. It is the moderate muslims that live in that fuzzy region. (See Robert Spencers article in frontpage.com on 'where are the moderate muslims').
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[DoctorNO]

I would also like to know how reliable are FFI's figure reports about those LEAVING ISLAM. againts those JOINING ISLAM.

[bread]

Well, according to Muslim sources, we know that 6 million African Muslims convert to Christianity each year. (millions more leave but do not openly convert to other faiths all across the Muslim world--they just drop our of Islam quietly so we cannot know their true numbers).

According to the same Muslim sources, do we have any accurate number of people converting to Islam world wide each year?

Then we can compare how much non-birth related growth there is in Islam.

[TruthSpeaker]

I know muslim sites that inflate the numbers like crazy. I think it was in one of Daniel pipes articles that some guy in cair was justifying that there are 1.7 billion muslims because the number 1.3 billion had been used before and muslims had had to have increased in the meantime .
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[bread]

that`s nothing Truth,

check this out: http://islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm

here they say there were 1.9 billion Muslims in 2000. Using their ``data`` there should be abour 2.3 billion by now.

I guess fantesising about huge increases makes the real numbers of those leaving look more palatable.

[arifqurashi]

[Spinoza]

Afghanistan 28700000
Algeria 31700000
Bahrain 700000
Bangladesh 146700000
Brunei
Burkina Faso 13200000
Chad 9300000
Comoros 600000
Djibouti 700000
Egypt 72100000
Eritrea 4400000
Gambia 1500000
GuineaBissau 1300000
Indonesia 220500000
Iran 66600000
Iraq 24200000
Jordan 5500000
Kazakhstan 14800000
Kuwait 2400000
Kyrgyzstan 5000000
Lebanon 4200000
Libya 5500000
Malawi 11700000
Malaysia 25100000
Maldives 300000
Mali 11600000
Mauritania 2900000
Morocco 30400000
Niger 12100000
Oman 2600000
Pakistan 149100000
Palestinian Territory 3600000
Qatar 600000
Saudi Arabia 24100000
Senegal 10600000
Somalia 8000000
Sudan 38100000
Syria
Tajikistan 6600000
Tunisia 9900000
Turkey 71200000
Turkmenistan 5700000
United Arab Emirates 3900000
Uzbekistan 25700000
Western Sahara 300000
Yemen 19400000
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TOTAL 1133100000

(I assumed (for simplicity's sake) they all had 100% muslims off course some Indians etc are also muslim) so the figure will be something like 1.1 to 1.2 billion.

[Unknown 203]

As truthspeaker says, the estimation of religious affiliation is extremely difficult. Since all methods of counting have potential inaccuracies, to get a trend you have to wait until two estimations, using essentially the same methodology are used several years apart. Of course those will only tell you an trend, not an absolute number and furthermore, it will only be a trend for a sample of the population and maybe not a representative sample at that.

What might work better are proxy estimates. In some countries there is a registry of all mosques, all churches. One could assume that the mosque/church ratio was a proxy for the muslim/christian population so if the former decreased 5%, one could estimate that the latter decreased 5% also.

There are a number of demographic journals but frankly, I doubt any of them want to risk their life by putting out a scholarly piece that offiends an islamic assasin.

The third best way to get information (after the census which is the best way and the proxy which is the second best way) is to find an honest and informed person in a neighborhood and ask them for an opinion.

[CroMagnon]

If you wade through various population statistics on the web, you'll see that some 35 - 45 % of 'muslim-countries' populations are in the ages of 0 - 15 years. All these children are often fully counted as muslims; the same sometimes goes for immigrant populations from 'muslim background' in 'the western world' (depending on the sources). Also non-muslim groups in these countries/communities are often counted as muslims in the statistics, just because they are in/come from a 'muslim country'.

And when in the immigrant societies young people from 'muslim background' officially take their islamic declaration of faith they are sometimes also included in the 'new muslims' statistics used by islamists. So they are counted twice, first as muslim when they're still a child, then the second time as 'new muslim' when they do their official declaration of faith.

And of course muslims that leave islam are totally ignored in the statistics...

In a poll I saw sometime ago somewhere it was found that about 75% of the Turks in Holland fast during Ramadan, yet in some/many(?) other statistics ALL Turks here are counted as practising muslims...

It's very easy to inflate figures this way....
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[Spinoza]

[Unknown 203]

To Spinoza and ll

My recollection is that there is just one Nobel prize winner in the sciences who was Islamic. He worked with two other people (at least one was Jewish) on the problem of a unification theory of two of the fundamental forces (electomagnetism and the weak atomic).

His biog is at: http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1979/salam-bio.html

I recollect that he was a Sufi and there was an assasination attempt on his life by a Sunni.

Does anyone know if my recollection is true?

[Susan]

Abdus Salam is not a "Real" muslim. He is an Amadi, a believer iin the "prophecy" of Mirza Galum, and a "non-Muslim" according to the Law of Pakistan, his home region, the Land of the Pure.
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The Sudanese Civil war has killed 2 million people and pushed 4 million tribespeople off their ancestral lands.

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