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human
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| but without logic, how can we communicate? What's the yard stick, the standard, to use instead? |
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SherKhan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| It will be easier to communicate with an alien form Mars than an Islamist. First step of logic kicks out Allah but would they agree? No. |
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human
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| quite sad indeed |
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Susan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Susan, what do you know? Do you think you are some Muslim scholar now? PBUH is also for people related to prophets |
No, it ain't. You say "ra" for Aisha, etc. Pbuh is just for prophets. Go ask your imam, Mr. Death. |
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Dawood Al-Suwiid
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Susan wrote: |
Also, the hadith says that Mo "consummated" his marriage with Aisha when she was nine. "Consummated" means "slept with."
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The hadith may not be true. 
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perfanalyst
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 7:32 pm Post subject: And your proof is? |
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| I don't believe you have posted your evidence that she was 19. |
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wongjowo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 8:41 pm Post subject: Korea must be Islam cuz they have DAEWOO. |
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DAEWOO sounds similar to Dawood isn't it? 
| Dawood Al-Suwiid wrote: |
The hadith may not be true.
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Dear typical arabian muslim:
- So, the hadith may be wrong? how about koran?
- How about muhammad? Is he the truth after having sex with 9 yrs old female, riding bouraq (bouraq is true?) to heaven. Where is heaven? Is it arabian heaven? a kind of harlem with 72 virgins?
- What make you think hadith may not be true? and what make you think it is wrong? Who wrote hadith? must be arabian, right?
- If the hadith is wrong, would you tell the world hadith is wrong and ask all muslims to burn all hadith? If you won't, I will.
- If hadith is wrong, what left to islam? koran? if then again koran is wrong what left to islam? arabian culture and barbaric living behaviour?
I think islam is just like my friend's old car, when he brought it to garage, and after thorough inspection the technician told him all parts needed replacements except the license plate.
Hadith is wrong, koran is wrong, arabian culture is wrong, muslim is wrong, all need some changes and replacements except the name itself i*s*l*a*m, sad ay?
and you are a muslim hehehehe the slave of islam, and certainly you need replacement as well or else you are obsolete. As I said, what is left in the sooner future is the name only. |
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Dawood Al-Suwiid
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:30 pm Post subject: And your proof is? |
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| perfanalyst wrote: |
I don't believe you have posted your evidence that she was 19.
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I do not know the evidence, it is something I have heard. I will do some research in the matter.
wongjowo: What do you have agains arabic culture? Against Islam?
To answer your question.
-The hadiths may be wrong, the Qua'ran is not.
-Read the Qua'ran if you want a description of heaven, beside, heaven is christian... Muslims belive in paradise.
-Different people wrote the hadith, why they are not always true. Some are probably, I do not know, and will probably never know either.
-I wont' so go ahead, there is some wisdom to be found in certain hadith.
-The Qua'ran is correct. Arabic culture is a rich and living culture, that will live on for many years, insha Allah.
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CroMagnon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 12:02 am Post subject: |
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If hadiths may be wrong or are less reliable than the Quran, why base partially your Sharia on them?
'Sahih' (sound/reliable) Hadiths are classified as 'sahih' by muslims, yet muslims also seem to agree that some of those 'sahih' hadiths may not be so 'sahih' after all and yet they base their Sharia partially on them.
How then can muslims claim the Sharia is the One and Only Eternal Justice? 
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human
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I do not know the evidence |
This is the crux of the matter, isn't it? Truth requires it be proven. Faith negates any proof. |
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thinker
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:51 am Post subject: And your proof is? |
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| Dawood Al-Suwiid wrote: |
-The Qua'ran is correct. Arabic culture is a rich and living culture, that will live on for many years, insha Allah.
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Arabic culture? Islam culture or Arab culture? I don't know if Quran permits Muslim to preserve their own culture. Does anyone know? |
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Susan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Islam destroys the local culture and replaces it with the culture of Arabia. Otherwise why do you have converts changing their names to Arab ones, eating dates as Sunnah (even if you live in Alaska where date palms don't grow), eating on the floor (even if they don't live in the desert where wood to make tables is scarce) -- a whole list of things. For two excellent books on how Islam destroys local cultures, see "Beyond Belief" and "Among the Believers" by V.S. Naipaul. Or any of the works of Anwar Sheikh. |
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moonie
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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I was once told by a Muslim, on another board, that while my ancestors were living in caves, the Arabs were inventing things, mathematicians, leading scientists and great physicians.
I told her yes, but my ancestors can see the advancements of future generations, whereas her ancestors can see the dumbing down of their future generations all thanks to Islam. |
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CroMagnon
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Susan
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| Good response, Moonie. It's also true that most of the "Islamic" scientific advancements were actually stolen from the Persians, the ancient Greeks, and the Hindus (who invented the "Arabic" numeral system we still use today) and/or discovered by "Muslim" scientists who were actually apostates. |
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roshan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Susan wrote: |
Good response, Moonie. It's also true that most of the "Islamic" scientific advancements were actually stolen from the Persians, the ancient Greeks, and the Hindus (who invented the "Arabic" numeral system we still use today) and/or discovered by "Muslim" scientists who were actually apostates.
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yes, i always get really angry when i see islamic propaganda websites claiming that geometry, algebra and our current number system were inveted by muslims when in fact they were just plagiarized from the hindus after the arabs invaded sind.
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Dawood Al-Suwiid
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| Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Susan wrote: |
Islam destroys the local culture and replaces it with the culture of Arabia. Otherwise why do you have converts changing their names to Arab ones, eating dates as Sunnah (even if you live in Alaska where date palms don't grow), eating on the floor (even if they don't live in the desert where wood to make tables is scarce) -- a whole list of things. For two excellent books on how Islam destroys local cultures, see "Beyond Belief" and "Among the Believers" by V.S. Naipaul. Or any of the works of Anwar Sheikh.
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That is their choice, the Qua'ran says nothing on the matter.
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wongjowo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 10:07 pm Post subject: Another arabian muslim joker |
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| Dawood Al-Suwiid wrote: |
Muhammed (Peace be with him), was born rich, he lived with his rich uncle, who was a mercahnt. He never slept with any six year olds gilrs, some say he slpt with Aisha when she was 9, but that is just lies, she was 19.
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Oh, is she 6 or 9? or 16, mmmmmmmmm 19? ohhhh could be 61 or maybe 91. Well 96, alas it is 69 (nice pose ay?)
ANOTHER TYPICAL arabian muslim TWISTING TONGUE
oh no again? 9 is a lie, 19 is a truth? what if 19 is a lie and 9 is a truth?
I just wonder how this typical arabian muslim knew she was 19?
Speak Sweden to me!... |
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perfanalyst
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| Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 10:41 pm Post subject: Not quite nothing. |
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| Quote: | | That is their choice, the Qua'ran says nothing on the matter. |
Note quite true. There is Sunnah to follow after all, since the prophet is the final guide to god. |
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Dawood Al-Suwiid
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| Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:54 pm Post subject: Another arabian muslim joker |
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| wongjowo wrote: |
| Dawood Al-Suwiid wrote: |
Muhammed (Peace be with him), was born rich, he lived with his rich uncle, who was a mercahnt. He never slept with any six year olds gilrs, some say he slpt with Aisha when she was 9, but that is just lies, she was 19.
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Oh, is she 6 or 9? or 16, mmmmmmmmm 19? ohhhh could be 61 or maybe 91. Well 96, alas it is 69 (nice pose ay?)
ANOTHER TYPICAL arabian muslim TWISTING TONGUE
oh no again? 9 is a lie, 19 is a truth? what if 19 is a lie and 9 is a truth?
I just wonder how this typical arabian muslim knew she was 19?
Speak Sweden to me!...
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I am not arabian...I thought I made that clear...
And as I have said, the Sunnah is often corrupted, I do not trust it as the word of God, much of it is probably true, but I am not going to gamble my soul on a "probably"...
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sharmini
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The hadith may not be true. |
Dawood, exactly what is it that you believe in ? What is the basis of your islamic faith ? |
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Robert
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2002 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Susan wrote: |
Islam destroys the local culture and replaces it with the culture of Arabia. Otherwise why do you have converts changing their names to Arab ones, eating dates as Sunnah (even if you live in Alaska where date palms don't grow), eating on the floor (even if they don't live in the desert where wood to make tables is scarce) -- a whole list of things. For two excellent books on how Islam destroys local cultures, see "Beyond Belief" and "Among the Believers" by V.S. Naipaul. Or any of the works of Anwar Sheikh.
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Islam is like the Borg in "Star Trek - next generation": "Resitance is futile. You will be assimilated into the collective."  |
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