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Intepretation of Quranic teachings and ethics

 
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Student



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:23 am    Post subject: Intepretation of Quranic teachings and ethics Reply with quote

Just some of my thoughts here;

I have read many posts (topics) here. Much wrangling over how certain verses of the Quran are interpreted, or about behavioural standards set by the Quran.

This is how I interpret the Quran and apply it in real life. When I am in doubt, I always ask, "Given what I know about the character of Muhammad, the way he lived his life, his past deeds, the words he uttered, his reaction in similar circumstances, what would Muhammad had done if he was in my position?"

And with that, it becomes crystal-clear what Islam teaches.
Muhammad is the living example of what Islam or "true Islam" or the "correct interpretation of the Quran" really is.

When in doubt, hold up the particular verse in the light of Muhammad's character. Imagine Muhammad to be facing the same dilemma to the problem you have. The correct Islamic answer would be based on what Muhammad would had done, given his character, past deeds and speeches.

Is the Quran a book on violence or peace? Hold it up to the Muhammad's character for the answer. Does Islam allow sex with minors? Check out Muhammad's life history. Does Islam allow slavery? Does Islam permit the slaying of its critics? Is it permissible for a Muslim to lie, in order to further the cause of Islam? Are Muslims allowed to have only four wives (can they have more?) Look up Muhammad's past records. That is the best answer.

Why waste time wrangling over the interpretation of how the verse should read? Why do Muslims need to argue that "this is out of context" or "your arabic is not good enough to intepret its true meaning or "What are your Islamic credentials"? I hear these so often.

Just study the behaviour and deeds and speech of Muhammad for your answer on Islam and its teachings.

What do you guys think?
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Ampbreia



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:12 pm    Post subject: Excellent points Reply with quote

I agree with you 100%... which is why I became an ex-Muslim when I got to know Islam better. It's a common sense kind of thing, but I'll bet the hardliner Muslims here won't face it, won't even reply to it unless to accuse you of hating Islam. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing It's what they ALWAYS say when they can't come up with a good counter argument!

Very sad, but understandable defensiveness in the face of their world-view being threatened by reality.

Oh well, one can only hope they will experience the epiphany so many of the rest of us have and come to their senses... sensibly.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


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This is how I interpret the Quran and apply it in real life. When I am in doubt, I always ask, "Given what I know about the character of Muhammad, the way he lived his life, his past deeds, the words he uttered, his reaction in similar circumstances, what would Muhammad had done if he was in my position?"

And with that, it becomes crystal-clear what Islam teaches.
Muhammad is the living example of what Islam or "true Islam" or the "correct interpretation of the Quran" really is.


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It's a common sense kind of thing, but I'll bet the hardliner Muslims here won't face it, won't even reply to it unless to accuse you of hating Islam. It's what they ALWAYS say when they can't come up with a good counter argument!

Very sad, but understandable defensiveness in the face of their world-view being threatened by reality.

Oh well, one can only hope they will experience the epiphany so many of the rest of us have and come to their senses... sensibly.




yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Need I reply.

Yes I'll reply.

You two are Islam haters, you two are racist, you take it out of context, you two are lying, you two don't know arabic good enough.


The hadiths, the Quran.

Student digs a hole for himself by saying
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When in doubt, hold up the particular verse in the light of Muhammad's character. Imagine Muhammad to be facing the same dilemma to the problem you have. The correct Islamic answer would be based on what Muhammad would had done, given his character, past deeds and speeches.
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Is the Quran a book on violence or peace? Hold it up to the Muhammad's character for the answer. Does Islam allow sex with minors? Check out Muhammad's life history. Does Islam allow slavery? Does Islam permit the slaying of its critics? Is it permissible for a Muslim to lie, in order to further the cause of Islam? Are Muslims allowed to have only four wives (can they have more?) Look up Muhammad's past records. That is the best answer.


Islam is the Quran, and guess what. The Quran holds historical records of Mohammed's actions. The Quran was collected while Mohammed was alive.

Oh wait, that doesn't serve your purpose. You want to use the hadiths, books written 200 years after he died. You want to fool yourself with unreliable books, go ahead.
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Crow



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2003 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh were taking it out of context are we? As if we haven't heard that hundreds of times! And just how do you know we are taking the quran out of context? How do you know that YOUR interpretation of the quran is right? Is that not a little self-righteous? Tell me, how one figures out what is the ONE TRUE MEANING of the quran and it's verses? How do you know this? How do you figure it out? I leave it up to you.

And please back up your accusations with proof. I have seen no racist comments by either Student or Ampreia.
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esimsek100



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2003 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh were taking it out of context are we? As if we haven't heard that hundreds of times! And just how do you know we are taking the quran out of context? How do you know that YOUR interpretation of the quran is right? Is that not a little self-righteous? Tell me, how one figures out what is the ONE TRUE MEANING of the quran and it's verses? How do you know this? How do you figure it out? I leave it up to you.

And please back up your accusations with proof. I have seen no racist comments by either Student or Ampreia.


And this is why only people of learning and understanding, will understand the Quran. You did not understand my message, you did not think about it, you took the face value, and the face value (when looked at closely) is clearly not what I meant.

So I tell you to re-read my post, I didn't make it easy to read, I made it so that people who gave a shit would understand the message.
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