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scepsis
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| "This thread has been on for weeks and there have been many points discussed." ...and many points you have evaded or ignored. |
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rand
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Abdullahnoor wrote:
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I do not like to repeat what I have addressed to a newcomer to a thread, especially if the thread has been on for weeks. This thread has been on for weeks and there have been many points discussed.
It is not nice to come and butt in towards the tail end, only to ask the same question that was looming and addressed over that period of time. Your question has already been taken care of before you even made your appearance here.
You can’t find it? Or you did not bother to look for it? Well that actually tells your intention here, doesn’t it? That you came to flood and slime, instead of taking the trouble to understand the issue at hand. |
Dear Abdullahnoor,
I think you are the most guilty of flooding and sliming others in your threads. If you are here to educate others about Islam, you should be able to defend it against various questions. Instead you need to rely on games such as insulting, flooding, accusing, etc.
I would hope that most people (whether muslim or non-muslim) on this site want to seek the truth. If the truth leads to following Islam, then we should follow Islam, if the truth leads to not following Islam but to follow Zeus, atheism, hinduism, etc. then we should follow that.
Many non-muslims do not follow Islam because we have many questions that we cannot answer. Some are bothered by slavery, amputations, treatment of women, grammar, child-marriage, etc. By asking questions we are giving muslims an opportunity to explain the brilliance of their religion. A true-religion should welcome that opportunity. However, Islam is not a true religion. Therefore, it cannot be rationally defended. So some muslims want to defend it anyways and try to rely on games. Why? Why live a lie? Why defend a religion that promotes jihad, amputations, childmarriage, slavery, wifebeating, etc. if it is not true? If Islam is true, then why must you rely on games, instead of just being polite and starightforward in answering questions?
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Egyptian Kafir
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ahahah...oh my goodness is this crap still actually going ؟؟؟
and look ! slave looks like he is desperately trying to gain points here:
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As with the harisa case
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rofl, listen kid, if you are refusing the Fact that you got bettered in that one then its up to you as i dont give a damn about seeing you admitting this for a simple reason: I dont debate with you to convince you because This is something you'll never Do , I debate For the Readers of the topics, The FAct is that Mo Saw Her In a state That she shouldnt Be Seen in , either the first meaning of the word:fully naked wich is the more likely one regarding his reaction to the scene, or uncovered Arms and Head, and She was in her chamber, and He Loved her at that point, as I said before , I dont Care About you admitting that you were bettered in that case or not because i dont debate for the purpose of convincing you Because as I pointed out before, you Debate not because you are convinced of your cause but because of your ego and thats By your own words as I will point out later.
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as with Hafsa al Sharmut case
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lol...No matter How Many times you will try to Say this, it will not Change the Fact that You Have sticken up the "true event" story to avoid your shameful failure of answering the simple question that i asked you regarding it  .
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as with buying of slaves off the market case
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lol...I still have no idea of what was your point of that, you denied that Muslims couldnt buy slaves off markets, and I replied by saying that they could, then you continued that crap all the Way seemingly Just To flood and gain something.
now lets see our Case:
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That is correct, but I got you to commit to apply uniformly the principle of explicit verses. I have said it over and over again, that you cannot use one principle if it suits you now, but discard that very same principle when it works against you!
Yet you did it again!
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haha, I find it soo amusing how you ignored what i wrote earlier in my previous post:
and By rejecting your example I do not back off , why? See What did i Wrote in my "yes" response To you, Note the bold text :
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yes, Just as it did with the other things It banned (haram) on stages through abrogation, or on one stage
That is What I gave you In my Yes Response to you, in that response I did NOT accept to use the Same principle with things OTHER than BANNINGS AND SETTING RULES
thats Why I did not back off what I agreed on in my yes response to you by denying your examlpes 
| Quote: | Hahahahaha! So once again, the hypocrite kafir twists! You expected me to give you something that got banned without explicit verses. But instead, you forgot you have committed yourself to the principle of explicit verses, vis-à-vis those without explicit verses!
YOU now REFUSE to apply this same principle, which you fought SO HARD for the last week, because IT NOW WORKS AGAINST YOU! HYPOCRITE!
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again, read what I wrote in my "yes" response to you above ...I did not just say "yes" generally, I accepted your term to be used in the Case of Bannings and setting rules because this is the only Topic it HAVE TO be used in....I was expecting that were Going to refute my point By Giving me a verse and say "see : here is a verse that Banned "something" without saying it explictly! " but sadly, you FAILED to do so, and instead , you brought something that Have Nothing to do with Banning and applied the same principle to it , forgetting that I wrote to you in my "agreement" reply the following :
yes,[b] Just as it did with the other things It banned (haram) on stages through abrogation, or on one stage
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Just a sidenote. Notice it takes a dozen Muslim-haters to attack just one jihadi?
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yeah! ever wondered why? EVER WONDERED WHY YOU ARE GAINING ZERO SUPPORT FROM FELLOW MUSLIMS IN THIS THREAD AND THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT BOTH TALKS ABOUT THE SAME TOPIC; SEX SLAVERY? because no other muslims that you Are willing to humile themselves and waste their time on denying something that is impossible to be denied, and Claiming something that is impossible to be proven...only you amounge them Waste his time on Doing this not Because you truly believe in it, but , and by your own words, just to play your little "games" with other people.
And Again : thanks for admitting that you are just arguing with me out of your ego and stubborness in the following quote:
| Quote: | | I am willing to pay the price that Islam has a system to treat slaves in a humanely manner and not end slavery, as what you said, if it means you pay the price |
heh, thats about it in this stupid thread, I'm not going to Bother wasting my time any further with topics I already refuted, and will not Waste my time anylonger with a muslim kid with no life who Wastes Huge amount of his time to Debate on topics NOT BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE IS RIGHT ON IT, BUT BECAUSE , FROM HIS OWN WORDS, HE ONLY WISHES THE OTHER SIDE TO LOSE WITH HIM WHEN HE LOSES....THATS HIS MAIN PURPOSE, BY HIS OWN WORDS.
Face it slave, you completely failed in our argument to Prove the main point of this thread: that islam banned sex slavery, and denying that islam allows it, And i dont give a damn of seeing you admitting that you lost the Case here as i said before, my purpose Here is not convincing you ,but To refute your cheap claims infront of the readers of this topic...and I managed to do this.
thats about it here, slave...see you around !
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abdullahnoor
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Egyptian Kafir
I see that your ego is more important to you than the contents of your discussion.
Well, since you want to continue, I can. On harisa, you FORCED a meaning “nakedness”. It turned out that it only meant uncovering of head and arms. About the only nakedness that is exposed, is your blatant naked attempt to vilify Muhammad (p).
I see you completely left out that you goofed on the word “riba”. 
On Hafsa Al Sharmut. You LIED, then you PRETEND it to be a joke when caught with your pants down. This was what YOU WROTE. On page 2 of this thread, Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:45 pm
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And Now ABD, To make this thing short , read the following:
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this is a story of a Muslim dude:
His name: Mohammad Bin Khawal
Age: 50 years old
place of living: Arabia
Time of this story happened : 1100 AD
Mo Went To the Market To Buy a hot Slave, Hafsa Bint Al sharmut
Mo Took Hafsa Home!
Once a Day, Mo Had Sex with Hafsa !
DIDNT ISLAM END SEX SLAVERY? PROVE FROM THE QURAN THAT MOHAMMAD BIN KHAWAL HAS COMMITED A SIN BY HAVING SEX WITH HAFSA BINT AL SHARMUT !
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You even coloured the above in RED then posed a CHALLENGE in CAPS. You were hoping that if I did not reply to you, people would think you have made a point!
That is nothing short of a dirty low-down trick. A joke? Or is it a miscalculation like what you did for the “harisa” and “riba” cases?
Face it EK, like I said, I am not defending egos here. You have shown many times you BACK OUT whenever the very argument you have been using, is used against you. The last case was YOUR VERY OWN PRINCIPLE of using explicit verses.
I thought you were an intellectual when you first discussed with me, bringing in Ibn Katheer and so forth. Too bad I exposed that you just want to impress people with your Arabic, which turned out to be nothing more than you using an on-line Arabic Dictionary. Another sick joke of yours? Which intellectual, Muslim or non-Muslim, would depend so much on an on-line word for word dictionary when he studies the Quran? Don’t you know on-line dictionaries are hopeless in understanding classical Arabic?
Coupled your lack of understanding of the Arabic language with the fact you engage in flip-flopping, you should really call yourself “Egyptian Clown” instead.
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Face it slave, you completely failed in our argument to Prove the main point of this thread: that islam banned sex slavery, and denying that islam allows it…
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Nope, you missed it by a mile. Check again. The main topic is to show that the REAL propagator of sex slavery is the Bible and that Muslim-haters leave it unscathed, preferring to vilify the Quran!
Isn’t the title, “Egyptian Clown” befitting?
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scepsis
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| abdullahnoor wrote: | The main topic is to show that the REAL propagator of sex slavery is the Bible and that Muslim-haters leave it unscathed, preferring to vilify the Quran!
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I didn't bother with this site for some time, quite simply because I assumed that everyone knew that sex slavery existed long before the Moses and Mahomet. Read Herodotus, or translations of ancient Egyptian inscriptions. You can't claim Moses invented sex slavery: it was already there. On the other hand, abdullahnoor, your claim that: yes, there was slavery, yes, it involved sex, but no, it wasn't sex slavery, is an absurdity. As I and others have said, this claim raises a great many questions, none of which you have attempted to answer. |
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Egyptian Kafir
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Well, since you want to continue, I can. On harisa, you FORCED a meaning “nakedness”. |
hmm lieing again I see, I Said From the Begining in that discussion that it can be Given To Fully or partially Declothed Not only fully Declothed.
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It turned out that it only meant uncovering of head and arms. About the only nakedness that is exposed, is your blatant naked attempt to vilify Muhammad (p).
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more lieing? only meant uncovering of Head and arms? did you forget the other fully naked meaning the word Have?
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On Hafsa Al Sharmut. You LIED, then you PRETEND it to be a joke when caught with your pants down. This was what YOU WROTE. On page 2 of this thread, Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:45 pm
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Listen, Not a million posts by you will change the Fact that You stuck this "true event" Crap To my post to Avoid answering the Question I Gave Regarding it, I Gave that Story as an example event for someone and Gave a place and Time to it to Make it clear that He lived after the Time of muhammad, and I gave them Extreme arabic Disses as Names To assure that they are only fictional because they Can Never Exist, this tiny story Was only Meant as a preamble to the later Question That You completely Failed to Answer and Seemingly thats Why you Decided To flood with this 'True Event' And 'Lieing' Crap To Avoid it. 
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You have shown many times you BACK OUT whenever the very argument you have been using, is used against you. The last case was YOUR VERY OWN PRINCIPLE of using explicit verses.
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I did Make a mistake In that old link that I Regected and i admitted that I Rushed it, But, I did Not Back out From My what you Call a "principle" And I Still insist on it, But I explained why I Refused To use it in YOUR Case in my previous post :
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That is What I gave you In my Yes Response to you, in that response I did NOT accept to use the Same principle with things OTHER than BANNINGS AND SETTING RULES
thats Why I did not back off what I agreed on in my yes response to you by denying your examlpes.
again, read what I wrote in my "yes" response to you above ...I did not just say "yes" generally, I accepted your term to be used in the Case of Bannings and setting rules because this is the only Topic it HAVE TO be used in....I was expecting that were Going to refute my point By Giving me a verse and say "see : here is a verse that Banned "something" without saying it explictly! " but sadly, you FAILED to do so, and instead , you brought something that Have Nothing to do with Banning and applied the same principle to it , forgetting that I wrote to you in my "agreement" reply the following :
yes, Just as it did with the other things It banned (haram) on stages through abrogation, or on one stage
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See, thats Why I did not only Say a single "yes" in my Agreement with you because I sensed That you are about to play that little Game, so I restricted my Agreement it To only the Case Of Banning and Allowing , Thus, I did Not Back out By refusing your Examples.
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like I said, I am not defending egos here.
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oh Yes sure :
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And Again : thanks for admitting that you are just arguing with me out of your ego and stubborness in the following quote:
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I am willing to pay the price that Islam has a system to treat slaves in a humanely manner and not end slavery, as what you said, if it means you pay the price
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To Make things Short, this is What Happened In this discussion About sex slavery:
1- you yourself Mentioned that muslims merely inherited sex slavery so it Did not Ban it right Away But on steps To Make it easier, So I Gave you other things that Muslims ALSO inherited And Did not Ban it right Away But on steps and Compared them, All were Actually Banned on these Stages And Ended up By a Total Prohibition , Except sex Slavery Was Not Prohibited although it shares the Same element: It Was inhirited By Muslims like the other things, and thats By your own words.....You totally Ignored My comment on this.
2- You Failed To explain How Was slavery Banned While no single Verse in the Quran that Banns it , prohibits it, or Say that its 'Haram' .
3- I Gave You That simple Question With the fictional story To See How exactly Slavery Was Banned while the Guy or and other Who Have sex with his Slave Is Not commiting Haram By doing this, You Twisted, Flipped and Brought up this Redicilouse "True story" Argument To Flood And cover your Failure To Answer that little Question that I Made that Fictional story as an introduction or an explainatory for it.
4- You were the one Who Compared the Claimed ""sex slavery Banning on stages"" with other things that were Banned on Stages like Riba, like drinking like gambling, So I Gave you That Big Detailed Comparison , Explaining How Sex slavery is not amounge the Things that Was "Banned on stages", I explained why that Verse You used Is Not Valid as a banning Verse, And you Twisted Flipped again and Did not answer that , I made it Easier and Gave that challenge, Again you flipped, twisted and escaped Taking it and Tried To Force Another complete Category , Tales, To The Case we are Talking about and used the Same Principle on it, and then I Refused this and Explained Why, and Assured that my refusing does not Mean that Im Backing out By showing you What I said in my agreement response To you that I in it, restricted the use of that principle To our Case, Bannings, Allowings, and setting rules , And Again , look at the childish Crap you are are Doing.
So as I said before, I accomplished What I Wanted in this thread regardless if you are going to admit it or not, I showed that No such thing as a sex slavery Ban in Islam And muslims Who Have sex with their slaves are Not Confracting islamic Rules, and That its allowed in Islam, and thats While I did not deny that islam argued that slaves are To Be treated in a good manner...but Never Banned the Sex slavery, or the whole slavery in general.
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Isn’t the title, “Egyptian Clown” befitting?
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well, if this makes you Happy, kid, you Can Use it, and I can use "ClownOfAllah" for your title aswell .. 
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abdullahnoor
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Egyptian Kafir
Sometimes it is refreshing to see a Muslim-hater making a fool out of himself. Irony is that Muslim-haters come here to bash Muslims and Islam, but when the tables are turned on them, look at how they react! Heh heh.
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hmm lieing again I see
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Not only your Arabic sucks, so does your English. It is spelt as “lying”.
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I Said From the Begining in that discussion that it can be Given To Fully or partially Declothed Not only fully Declothed.
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Blah, blah, blah. Say what you like. It has been shown that you tried to force the word “naked” and only “naked”, so as to vilify Muhammad (p).
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more lieing? only meant uncovering of Head and arms? did you forget the other fully naked meaning the word Have?
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Lookie here twister. You said that it meant “naked”. I asked if it could mean things “other than naked”. You said “no”. Then by your OWN ACCORD, you later admitted it could also mean “uncovering arms and head”.
Now you try to make it sound that I don’t admit it also means “naked”? The point is that IT HAS MEANING OTHER THAN NAKED!
Keep twisting EK, your credibility drops with every post you make.
Hafsa Al Sharmut again? Hahaha. Your persistent defence shows a deep seated guilt in you, doesn’t it?
About “no banning of sex slavery”. Why are you repeating yourself? That is no longer an issue, since I accept YOUR PRINCIPLE of explicit verses.
The question is WHY ARE YOU NOT accepting YOUR OWN PRINICIPLE of explicit verses, when it comes to allegations that Muhammad (p) lusted for Zaynab or was a paedophilic man?
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SherKhan
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Mr.abdullahnoor invited me to say a few words while we were having discussion in another thread.
| Quote: | However, Islam did not propagate this barbaric act, instead, it put a stop to it. This was discussed in the “Mary of Copt” thread, under the section “Muhammad”.
So where did these teachings originate? The answer is, The Bible! Yes, that is correct. So Muslim haters, if you condemn Islam because you thought that Islam propagated this act, what is your opinion now about Judaism and Christianity? |
Oh! I am learning everyday. I did not know, Quran and ahadith are also called Bible!!!!
A few gems for you.
(Sahih Muslim-Book of Marriage).
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists.Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
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YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
PICKTHAL: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Dr.Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali and Dr.Muhammad Muhsin Khan : Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (slaves) whom your right hand possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you are mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-knowing, All-Wise.
I had to put the whole verse, otherwise you will cry again. Anyway, a contemporary example of above quotation is the conflict between Pakistan and Bangladesh. Pakistan army happily raped thousands of Bengali women in accordance to those verses.
I will repeat your comment again,
| Quote: | However, Islam did not propagate this barbaric act, instead, it put a stop to it. This was discussed in the “Mary of Copt” thread, under the section “Muhammad”.
So where did these teachings originate? The answer is, The Bible! |
I understand you have no other option but lie to defend Islam. Still there should be some limit of lying. At least you can use some filter. I think you deserve a doctorate degree in this subject. You babbled about going stage by stage to put a stop on it, but is there any clear command? Is it not pathetic that Quran dictates to kill and rape very clearly but fails to explain how it should be stopped. We need some dishonest intellectuals with obscure mind to explain the hidden meanings. You are challenging your own holy book that you hold so dearly!!!!!
Are you really a Muslim????????????????
I have to ask brother Haseem.
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abdullahnoor
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Sherkan
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Oh! I am learning everyday. I did not know, Quran and ahadith are also called Bible!!!!
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Lies again Muslim-hater? Tell me when did anybody in this thread said that?
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I asked what comments you have, upon acquiring the knowledge that it is Christianity that propagates sex slaves. Instead you leave the real propagator unscathed and launch an attack on Islam?
I know you did not go through all the nine pages. You did a hasty one. If you bothered to go through it, you will see that I have argued that according to Yusuf Ali in his notes, v 4:24 is designed to eradicate the practice. Muslim-haters here disagreed, using the principle of “explicit verses”. But when I threw the challenge to them to do the same for Aisha’s and Zaynab’s cases, they backed out.
Now you rehashing everything that has been discussed, in the nine pages. You are supposed to comment on the REAL PROPAGATORS of the practice. Yet you slimed Islam and let the real culprits go?
Tells us volumes about your hidden agenda – ie to slime Islam huh? So all your concerns about human and women rights are just convenient excuses huh?
Are not Muslim-haters hypocrites?
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SherKhan
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| Quote: | SherKhan :Oh! I am learning everyday. I did not know, Quran and ahadith are also called Bible!!!!
Abdullahnoor:Lies again Muslim-hater? Tell me when did anybody in this thread said that?
Abdullahnoo’s previous comment: So where did these teachings originate? The answer is, The Bible! |
Both Bible and Quran have same inhuman stories, being a neutral person I don’t see any difference between those two. One person killed his friend and another raped his aunt, I would consider both of them as criminals.
| Quote: | I asked what comments you have, upon acquiring the knowledge that it is Christianity that propagates sex slaves. Instead you leave the real propagator unscathed and launch an attack on Islam?
I know you did not go through all the nine pages. You did a hasty one. If you bothered to go through it, you will see that I have argued that according to Yusuf Ali in his notes, v 4:24 is designed to eradicate the practice. Muslim-haters here disagreed, using the principle of “explicit verses”. But when I threw the challenge to them to do the same for Aisha’s and Zaynab’s cases, they backed out. |
Good, So you are admitting the fact that Quran used biblical story. Is it not plagiarism?
Designed? What kind of logic is this? Allah allowed to kill and rape then he wanted to slowly eradicate this process. It’s like, my son goes out everyday and rape neighbors’ daughters. When they complain, I would tell them, Please don’t mind. Let him rape a few times. He will eventually stop it. Whether you commit crime one time or several times you are a criminal because of your first offense. Likewise, Allah allowed to rape at the beginning and that should be enough to decide the morality of this religion. Why Allah is so eager to allow killing and raping. Is he a pervert? Actually it’s Mohammad who is pervert. He had to invent this character to justify his wrongdoings.
| Quote: | | You are supposed to comment on the REAL PROPAGATORS of the practice. |
I don’t care who is real and who is unreal. If Bible teaches slavery and raping women is good, I will condemn these acts. Same principle applies to Quran. Actually you asked me to make comments on a different issue. It was about Iraqi soldiers raping USA women if they were able to invade USA. I brought this issue as an analogy in “Aysha revisited” thread. I gave plenty of quotes from Quran and ahadith. Also, I mentioned about Pakistani army who raped thousands of Bengali women. They did in accordance to Islamic law. It was supported by Islamic clerics and whole Arab world. Now you are trying to find hidden meanings of Quran to disapprove this action.
Did not you say somewhere, clean your own backyard. How about cleaning your own stinky backyard first then call us Muslim-haters or anything you like. If you can stop your brothers from killing and raping, there will be no need of this web site anyway.
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abdullahnoor
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I invited you to comment on the original propagators of sex slavery. And you came here to slime Islam again? Are you not confirming my claim this is a hate site?
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Good, So you are admitting the fact that Quran used biblical story. Is it not plagiarism?
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More lies?
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I don’t care who is real and who is unreal. If Bible teaches slavery and raping women is good, I will condemn these acts.
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Good. You have posted more than 300 messages condemning Islam. Now let us see you do the same for Christianity. Let us see how sincere you are. Whether you are out to condemn sex slavery, or just use it as an excuse to slime Islam.
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According to abdullahnoor, Allah has an extremely poor plan to phase out slavery on Earth, but why then does Allah permit slavery in Jannah?
Benefits for Reciting Certain Surahs of the Holy Quran
http://www.duas.org/suraben.doc
| Quote: | Surah ash-Shura (The Council) It is narrated from Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) that whoever recites this surah will be raised on the Day of Reckoning with a face as bright as the full moon and he will be told : ‘You are from those who used to recite ash-Shura. If you knew the reward for this, you would never have felt tired of reciting it.’The angels will then be ordered to take him to Jannah where he will find a palace made of red rubies. There will be two houries and a thousand slaves in that palace . |
| Quote: | Surah ad-Dahr (The Period) If a person recites this surah, especially on Thursday mornings, he will be rewarded with a hundred houries and four thousand slaves in Jannah  and he will be given a place close to that of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.). |
Conclusion: Allah loves having slaves in Jannah. 
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abdullahnoor
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Ah Farside, you are here!
Don’t Muslim-haters always go into a frenzy when they cannot counter arguments?
So far all Muslim-haters here condemn Islam for what another religion propagated. These Muslim-haters say they condemn Christianity too. But all we see is a one sentence condemnation. Compare this to pages and pages of Islam sliming.
So are these Muslim-haters really against sex slavery? Or are they using this as an excuse to slime Islam? So they are not fighting for the sex slaves huh? They are only USING sex slaves – hey won’t that make them whore visitors? – as a tool to slander Islam.
Well this thread truly shows the hypocritical nature of Muslim-haters huh? But then again, are not Muslim-haters hypocrites in the first place?
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Oh give me a bloody break! He was using hadiths to support his statement, smart guy!
And yet you go on to make more mindless accusations against us Kafirs. Shows your true intentions like a clear sunlit pool, my friend.
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| Quote: | | Good. You have posted more than 300 messages condemning Islam. Now let us see you do the same for Christianity. Let us see how sincere you are. Whether you are out to condemn sex slavery, or just use it as an excuse to slime Islam. |
Where did you get this brilliant idea that we are here to discuss slavery only? Who told you that we need excuses to challenge Islam? Is it not our main objective? I am glad that you finally understood our mission. We are here to cure Muslims from Islamic disease. We are doing as much we can. Hopefully, psychiatrists will include Islam in their list and give some professional help to cure these devious Muslim intellectuals.
Why should I be wasting time to condemn Christianity? Actually they do a better job without any outside help. They have the honesty and decency to criticize their own religion. When Hitler and Milsovec went out of line, who took care of the problem? In contrary, Palestinians celebrate WTC tragedy. Fugitive Osama is still at large because he is getting protection from your brothers. Do you see the difference? I guess you cannot. Your mind is polluted with Islamic venom and you don’t have the guts to face the reality!!!!
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abdullahnoor
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Sherkhan
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Where did you get this brilliant idea that we are here to discuss slavery only?
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The same brilliant idea from your Chief Muslim-hater, Ali Sina, to categorise topics. If you feel you don’t want to discuss slavery here, then why are you in this thread? Go to the relevant threads to throw your dung, wherever that relevant dung throwing thread is.
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Is it not our main objective? I am glad that you finally understood our mission.
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“Finally” is a misnomer. I knew your mission all along. It is a hate mission. Do YOU KNOW THE MISSION?
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Why should I be wasting time to condemn Christianity?
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To show your sincerity that you are out to stop evil deeds, and not a people or a philosophy. So you have trouble condemning Christianity when it propagates sex slavery? Why then did you oppose sex slavery in the first place? Using it as an excuse to slime Islam? Would it not be more honest for you to say you want to slime Islam, because you want to slime Islam?
Why bring in the “evil deeds” to support your claim, only to finally refrain from condemning the real propagator of “evil deeds”? Hypocrisy, Muslim-hater?
Does not your post show hate in you? Are you not confirming this is a hate site, meant for haters like you?
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SherKhan
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abdullahnoor
If you are itching to slay Christianity, feel free to do so under Christianity thread. Sorry, I don’t have time to dance with you despite your provocation. This is not a question of sincerity but it’s a matter of focusing on right topic. I am sincere in condemning slavery, rape and killing, whether it’s coming from Islam, Christianity, Hinduism or Judaism. I also denounce all religions because of the limitations they have.
If Christianity originated slavery then Islam has practiced it. Being a sincere and honest person I condemn both religions but you are defending Islam. Do you see your deceitfulness?
However, poor conditions of Muslims and Islamic countries bother me consistently. I try to find the root of their misery and a solution. Like any reasonable and logical person I don’t see other alternatives but eradicate Islam. It’s imperative to stay focused on this subject and save Muslims as well as mankind from this evil cult.
By the way, you forgot to explain why Pakistani army raped Bengali captive women. They did it in accordance with Islamic laws.
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abdullahnoor
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Sherkhan
Like other Muslim-haters here, the more posts you make, the more you show that you have hate in you.
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If you are itching to slay Christianity, feel free to do so under Christianity thread.
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I am itching for you to show sincerity. But then again, that would be a silly thing to ask from a Muslim-hater, huh?
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Sorry, I don’t have time to dance with you despite your provocation.
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But you seem to have lots of time propagating hate.
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This is not a question of sincerity but it’s a matter of focusing on right topic. I am sincere in condemning slavery, rape and killing, whether it’s coming from Islam, Christianity, Hinduism or Judaism. I also denounce all religions because of the limitations they have.
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Then why only concentrate on the condemnation of Islam? Let’s see you condemn with three hundred posts in the Christianity thread too.
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If Christianity originated slavery then Islam has practiced it. Being a sincere and honest person I condemn both religions but you are defending Islam. Do you see your deceitfulness?
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I see your deceitfulness. But you dedicate 300+ to Islam and one sentence to Christianity.
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However, poor conditions of Muslims and Islamic countries bother me consistently. I try to find the root of their misery and a solution. Like any reasonable and logical person I don’t see other alternatives but eradicate Islam. It’s imperative to stay focused on this subject and save Muslims as well as mankind from this evil cult.
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Then let us address the poor conditions. Condemning Islam does not help. Unless of course, you want to condemn Islam and just use poor conditions as an excuse, like you did for sex slavery. Yet another hypocritical act in guise of compassion?
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By the way, you forgot to explain why Pakistani army raped Bengali captive women. They did it in accordance with Islamic laws.
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You forgot to show that the army raped the captives after invoking the laws of Islam.
You just shoot your mouth off. Isn’t that hate you just displayed again?
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Farside
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Abdullahnoor, when you enter Jannah someday, how many slaves to you wish to be waiting for you at your golden palace?
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SherKhan
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abdullahnoor | Quote: | | I see your deceitfulness. But you dedicate 300+ to Islam and one sentence to Christianity. |
Is not one sentence enough to show my sincerity? Did not I say earlier, we are dedicated to eradicate Islam and that’s our mission. It’s another sincere statement that cannot be grasped by a two-faced Muslim intellectual.
| Quote: | | You forgot to show that the army raped the captives after invoking the laws of Islam. |
Did you read those quotes from hadith and Quran that I posted earlier?
Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists.Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
What does it mean? A bunch of bandits grab some helpless women and wanted to have sex with them. These poor women had their husbands and their own family. Do you think these women were looking forward to have sex with these mercenaries? However, they were reluctant to take these women to bed because it was prohibited to have sex with a married woman. Now, Allah, the most idiot sent down another verse to clarify the previous verse and approved this heinous act as long as they are captive. So, what’s his role? Did not Allah act like a pimp to supply women for those Mafia members?
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abdullahnoor
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Sherkhan
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Is not one sentence enough to show my sincerity?
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If one sentence shows sincerity condemning Christianity, (because Christianity teaches sex slavery), then would not your 300+ condemning Islam show your contempt, hate, and vile for Muslims, in spite of the laws to treat the slaves humanely?
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Did not I say earlier, we are dedicated to eradicate Islam and that’s our mission.
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And did not I say that is exactly what this site hate is designed for? So is not sex slavery JUST AN EXCUSE to achieve your desired goal, that is to eradicate Islam?
That you are only USING sex slavery as a tool, and you are NOT INTERESTED in the welfare of these slaves?
HYPOCRISY AT WORK, MUSLIM-HATER?
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It’s another sincere statement that cannot be grasped by a two-faced Muslim intellectual.
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On the contrary, it shows exposes this site’s and your hypocrisy. That you would use ANYTHING to slander Islam. Never mind what is right or wrong. Just eradicate Islam – because of your contempt, hate and vile in you.
Earlier you wrote
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By the way, you forgot to explain why Pakistani army raped Bengali captive women. They did it in accordance with Islamic laws.
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To which I replied
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You forgot to show that the army raped the captives after invoking the laws of Islam.
You just shoot your mouth off. Isn’t that hate you just displayed again?
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Did you read those quotes from hadith and Quran that I posted earlier?
Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists.Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
What does it mean? A bunch of bandits grab some helpless women and wanted to have sex with them. These poor women had their husbands and their own family. Do you think these women were looking forward to have sex with these mercenaries? However, they were reluctant to take these women to bed because it was prohibited to have sex with a married woman. Now, Allah, the most idiot sent down another verse to clarify the previous verse and approved this heinous act as long as they are captive. So, what’s his role? Did not Allah act like a pimp to supply women for those Mafia members?
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Now either you show that the Pakistanis raped Bengali women by invoking those verses, or you shut up. As usual, Muslim-haters pluck one verse, then pluck one situation and put them together.
Don’t Muslim-haters always like to twist and lie?
Oh yes, notice the tone in your note? The tone of hate, contempt and vile? And you deny that this is a hate site, filled with Muslim-haters?
Think about that, Muslim-hater!
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SherKhan
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Dear abdullah noor
| Quote: | | Now either you show that the Pakistanis raped Bengali women by invoking those verses, or you shut up. As usual, Muslim-haters pluck one verse, then pluck one situation and put them together. |
Islam allows having sex with captive. Quoted hadith and verses from Quran clearly indicates what Muslims should do and examples of Pakistani army have strengthened the fact. Pakistan army happily followed this Islamic guidance. In 1971, it was approved by then Islamic clerics. If you are interested you may visit Karachi and check the archive of JANG newspaper. You may have to dig through a lot of newspaper but sermons of Muslim clerics will sure satisfy your enthusiasm.
SHUT UP? Sure!!!!!!! You have just demonstrated how Islamic freedom of speech works!!!!!!!!!
Curios Muslim: Is it possible that Allah’s postman whispered in Mo’s ear and asked to kill kafirs? (Quran,4:89)
Islam: Out of context. SHUT UP and BELIEVE.
Curios Muslim: Is it true Mo killed 600-800 innocent Jews in Medina? ( Sirat Rasul Allah, ISBN 0196360331, page 464)
Islam: Out of context. SHUT UP and BELIEVE.
Curios Muslim: Is it true Mo was a sex maniac and he used to have sex with all of his wives in the same night? (Sahih Bukhari, Book of Nikaah)
Islam: Out of context. SHUT UP and BELIEVE.
We don’t twist or change the meanings of Quran. Actually, you have monopolized those words i.e. twisting, deceiving, lying etc. We will never be able to beat your expertise. As a rule of thumb, you must think like a criminal to catch a criminal. We think in the same line of your terrorist brothers. The difference is we disapprove these actions and they practice these heinous acts. Somehow dishonest Muslim intellectuals have taken a different approach. They are in a mission to white wash the brutal truth until Islam controls everything. Once Islam becomes powerful, these deceitful intellectuals will immediately join the real ones.
I have a suggestion for you. If you think Islam is beautiful and a bunch of misguided folks are killing innocent people all over the world because they don’t know what real Islam is,
GET A FLASHLIGHT AND A LOTA (Also called Aftabeh, a water container used in toilet), START HUNTING THOSE REAL MUSLIMS AND EXPLAIN YOUR BIZARRE EXCUSES.
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