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M
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 Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:15 pm Post subject: Come on people now.. |
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Join with your Brother and sister. This war will only end in Armeggedion.
And then whos right and whos wrong wont really matter.
Give others the right to be who they are.And we can all live free.
Before you go choosing sides on who this message was ment for..It was ment for all of you on bouth sides. Bouth sides are guilty in this..
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Brigitte
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:28 am Post subject: |
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I guess this message is addressed to the muslims here.
Indeed, we should all work together to make the hatred and war-making of islam dissappear.
Brigitte |
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eruss
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Come on people now.. |
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| Quote: | | Give others the right to be who they are.And we can all live free. |
Hitler would have loved you. If we would have only given Hitler the right to be who he was. 
I hope I am missing something here.  |
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scepsis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Come on people now.. |
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| wanderingbear wrote: |
Give others the right to be who they are.And we can all live free. |
Francis of Assissi suggested the same principle to the sheep and the wolves. |
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M
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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NO!!! ITS ADDRESSED TO BOUTH SIDES>>
Were not Sheep and wolves..Were children of God and we should act accordingly.. Gods not really happy with eather side right now.Matter of fact Id saw hes down right pissed.
Dont go thinking that becaues your on one side or another that you not to blaim in this..It take two to tango.. |
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Brigitte
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Man, you're a real nutcase!
Trying to explain to muslims that we are all brothers and sisters ...
Don't you know that islam divides the world into 2 worlds : Dar el islam ( muslim world) and Dar el Harb (kafir, non-muslim world), with this understanding that the muslims have to make the world totally Dar el islam, so to exterminate all non-muslims. Kind of a masochist aren't you?
Would you ever dream about islam accepting your naïve point of view?
You're soooooo unreal! Read the quran man!
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everybee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Wanderingbear, the Muslims' concept of God is different from everyone elses'. You need to read more here. I've never seen proof of God myself. Can you prove He exists? |
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scepsis
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| wanderingbear wrote: |
Were not Sheep and wolves..Were children of God and we should act accordingly.. Gods not really happy with eather side right now.Matter of fact Id saw hes down right pissed.
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"Man a wolf to man"? I'm not too happy with god. If it exists it's malevolent, incompetent or both. |
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M
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:20 am Post subject: |
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My consept of God is vastly differnt to..Im a Pagan Witch.
If the fact that their beleif in God is a differnt one thabn your is a problem I would sugjest that you wake up to the fact that their are many ways to beleve in God. And if you cant that you fault.Not their.. Hateing people for their religous beleifs is called Biggotry. |
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M
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:25 am Post subject: |
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I belaeve in Peace love and undersatnding for all liveing beings..If thats crazy..Then Im a Freaking loon. And Damm proud of it..
I myself know the Creator..We talk all the time. No not that prayer stuff eather. We hold long conversations at times. |
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M
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:31 am Post subject: |
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"Man a wolf to man"? I'm not too happy with god. If it exists it's malevolent, incompetent or both.[/quote]
What Mankind does to its own isnt Gods fault. When God gave man Free will.He reliquished that control. |
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M
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Brigitte wrote: | Man, you're a real nutcase!
Trying to explain to muslims that we are all brothers and sisters ...
Don't you know that islam divides the world into 2 worlds : Dar el islam ( muslim world) and Dar el Harb (kafir, non-muslim world), with this understanding that the muslims have to make the world totally Dar el islam, so to exterminate all non-muslims. Kind of a masochist aren't you?
Would you ever dream about islam accepting your naïve point of view?
You're soooooo unreal! Read the quran man!
Brigitte |
Theres alot of people who would like to kill me and alot of people whove tryed. But the CReators power is far stronger then theirs.
They pobably wouldnt accept it any more than you will. But it is still what the Creator says.I dont live my life according to what other people do and say..Only what the Creator has to say. |
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scepsis
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| wanderingbear wrote: | | scepsis wrote: | | "Man a wolf to man"? I'm not too happy with god. If it exists it's malevolent, incompetent or both. |
What Mankind does to its own isnt Gods fault. When God gave man Free will.He reliquished that control. |
What god does is another matter. Presumably, if you believe in god, you believe in acts of god. |
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eruss
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with the poster. It would be nice if everyone would just quit making war. |
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scepsis
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| eruss wrote: | | I agree with the poster. It would be nice if everyone would just quit making war. |
Pale Ebenezer thought it wrong to fight,
But Roaring Bill (who killed him) thought it right. |
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Unknown 338
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:38 pm Post subject: YOU BE THE FIRST TO LEAVE! |
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wanderingbear,
Since you imply such dissatisfaction for the human race, you be the FIRST to go.
POLITICIANS SUCK |
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eruss
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| scepsis wrote: | | eruss wrote: | | I agree with the poster. It would be nice if everyone would just quit making war. |
Pale Ebenezer thought it wrong to fight,
But Roaring Bill (who killed him) thought it right. |
Wouldn't it be nice though if all war ceased? |
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scepsis
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| eruss wrote: |
Wouldn't it be nice though if all war ceased? |
Certainly. But, how do we deal with the "Roaring Bills", who enjoy it? Some moslems- and other people- think that what they believe is so wonderful and true that they have a duty and a right to spread it by force. How do we deal with that? What if all war ceases because obsessive believers kill everyone who will not accept their right to rule? Would that be nice? |
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eruss
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Thank you.
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But, how do we deal with the "Roaring Bills", who enjoy it? Some moslems- and other people- think that what they believe is so wonderful and true that they have a duty and a right to spread it by force. How do we deal with that? |
First by burring the terrorist in Pig skin body bags in unmarked graves. No hero’s burial.
Second, threatening and carrying out, if needed, the destruction of the Kabah, both mosques at Mecca and Medina.
The pig skin idea worked for the Philippines. The religious blow worked in WW2 with Japan. It can and will work for us today.
If we don’t at least try it we may not have time. The Muslims have the will, the means and the money to cause a greater destruction than 911. I personally don’t want to wait for that to happen before getting serious.
Bush says over and over that this war will take time. How does he know we have that much time? I am not willing to take that bet. |
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scepsis
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| eruss wrote: |
... threatening and carrying out, if needed, the destruction of the Kabah, both mosques at Mecca and Medina.
If we don’t at least try it we may not have time. The Muslims have the will, the means and the money to cause a greater destruction than 911. I personally don’t want to wait for that to happen before getting serious.
Bush says over and over that this war will take time. How does he know we have that much time? I am not willing to take that bet. |
Well, I'll leave aside the morality, but on practical grounds I think you're mistaken.
First of all, the "war against terrorism"is a low-intensity war, as far as war is the right word, psychological rather than physical in its effects. The number of Americans killed by al-Qaida is far smaller than the number of americans killed by other Americans in motor-cars, or shot by mistake by other Americans. As much as anything, the aim of al-Qaeda is to persuade moslems and non-moslems that they are soldiers in a war, rather than a bunch of dangerous lunatics.
Secondly, what would be the effect of bombing or threatening to bomb the targets you mention? A few moslems might decide that they had been lied to all their lives, but many more would decide that the "real" kabah, the essential mosque were not really destroyed, and that this was a war on islam and moslems and come out fighting. The same would happen with the unthinking moslems who are moslem because they're moslem because...: they wouldn't see any of the supposed proofs of islam's falsehood, but would see an unprovoked attack on all they believe. Even the moslems who recognised the significance probably would not be grateful, but would seek revenge for the destruction of their illusions. if you want a real war- a war of extermination, or something close, that's the way to go about it.
As far as time goes, i think we do have time: I think that islam will become far more of a cultural influence, and meld with other cultural influences, so that most ordinary moslems will pull farther from the militant and military fanaticism of the lunatics and will act far more to suppress it. |
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