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But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary; and they shall walk and not faint. Isa. 40:31
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But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary; and they shall walk and not faint. Isa. 40:31
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But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary; and they shall walk and not faint. Isa. 40:31
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But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary; and they shall walk and not faint. Isa. 40:31
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| mr911sc wrote: | Recenty a sixth grade student threatened to bomb the headquarters of a prominent corporation, the Gillette Company. Gillette’s “crime”? The use of animals to test the safety of their products. This student’s role models have not been so hesitant.
In the name of so-called “animal rights,” terrorists have committed hundreds of violent crimes. They have vandalized or fire bombed meat companies, fur stores, fast-food restaurants, leather shops and medical research laboratories across North America. The animal “rights” movement, however, is not about the humane treatment of animals. Its goal is the animalistic treatment of human beings.
According to these terrorists, it is immoral to eat meat, to wear fur coats or leather shoes, and to use animals in research — even if it would lead to cures for deadly diseases.
The terrorists are unmoved by the indisputable fact that animal research saves human lives. PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) makes this frighteningly clear: “Even if animal tests produced a cure for AIDS, we’d be against it.”
How do the animal “rights” advocates try to justify their position? As someone who has debated them for years on college campuses and in the media, I know firsthand that the whole movement is based on a single — invalid — syllogism, namely: men feel pain and have rights; animals feel pain; therefore, animals have rights. This argument is entirely specious, because man’s rights do not depend on his ability to feel pain; they depend on his ability to think.
Rights are ethical principles applicable only to beings capable of reason and choice. There is only one fundamental right: a man’s right to his own life. To live successfully, man must use his rational faculty — which is exercised by choice.
The choice to think can be negated only by the use of physical force. To survive and prosper, men must be free from the initiation of force by other men — free to use their own minds to guide their choices and actions. Rights protect men against the use of force by other men.
None of this is relevant to animals. Animals do not survive by rational thought (nor by sign languages allegedly taught to them by psychologists). They survive through inborn reflexes and sensory-perceptual association. They cannot reason. They cannot learn a code of ethics. A lion is not immoral for eating a zebra (or even for attacking a man). Predation is their natural and only means of survival; they do not have the capacity to learn any other.
Only man has the power to deal with other members of his own species by voluntary means: rational persuasion and a code of morality rather than physical force. To claim that man’s use of animals is immoral is to claim that we have no right to our own lives and that we must sacrifice our welfare for the sake of creatures who cannot think or grasp the concept of morality. It is to elevate amoral animals to a moral level higher than ourselves — a flagrant contradiction. Of course, it is proper not to cause animals gratuitous suffering. But this is not the same as inventing a bill of rights for them — at our expense.
The granting of fictional rights to animals is not an innocent error. We do not have to speculate about the motive, because the animal “rights” advocates have revealed it quite openly. Again from PETA: “Mankind is the biggest blight on the face of the earth”; “I do not believe that a human being has a right to life”; “I would rather have medical experiments done on our children than on animals.” These self-styled lovers of life do not love animals; rather, they hate men.
The animal “rights” terrorists are like the Unabomber and Oklahoma City bombers. They are not idealists seeking justice, but nihilists seeking destruction for the sake of destruction. They do not want to uplift mankind, to help him progress from the swamp to the stars. They want mankind’s destruction; they want him not just to stay in the swamp but to disappear into its muck.
There is only one proper answer to such people: to declare proudly and defiantly, in the name of morality, a man’s right to his life, his liberty, and the pursuit of his own happiness.
--Edwin Locke |
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| Quote: | | ......we must sacrifice our welfare for the sake of creatures who cannot think or grasp the concept of morality. |
The best description of Muslims I have ever heard.
WE MUST NOT SACRIFICE OUR WELFARE FOR THE SAKE OF PEOPLE WHO CANNOT THINK OR GRASP MORALITY.
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militantms
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I'm getting really weary of "black-ass." She/he/it is determined to be a pest. A can of Raid or a fly swatter should do the trick.
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Twin-bro's gotta go. Whatever is appropriate.
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I count only two men rational: the man who loves God with all his heart because he has found Him, and the man who seeks God with all his heart because he has, as yet, found Him not.
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I count only two men rational: the man who loves God with all his heart because he has found Him, and the man who seeks God with all his heart because he has, as yet, found Him not.
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I count only two men rational: the man who loves God with all his heart because he has found Him, and the man who seeks God with all his heart because he has, as yet, found Him not.
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Chuckie, the party is over. Of course, you were never invited in the first place. Well, at any rate, you are now going to go in the worst possible way.
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missionms
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And, can we get on with it?
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Antonia
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| MarkT wrote: | | Gauge wrote: | | Such kindness towards animals...and such vitriolic hatred towards animals of the human variety. |
I AM NOT AN ANIMAL! :wink:
Yet the headlines today are of hawks, doves, foxes, hens, baboons, peacocks and chickens. Ya'll be kind to those animals now! I demand some moralEQ, like what is good for the goose is good for the giraffe.
Wait, that sounds stupid, doesn't it? Yet it's a perfectly straightforward example of a kind of faulty reasoning that all too many of us seem all too ready to perpetrate--or accept.
I've even heard, for example, of strictly principled vegetarians feeding their dogs vegetarian diets, in the apparently sincere belief that it would be better for their health, too.
Humans, evolved as omnivores, can live on a carefully planned vegetarian diet. Some believe such a diet is better for us, and they may even turn out to be right (though all the returns aren't in). Dogs and cats as carnivores, though, just aren't built that way. They need meat as a major component of their diet, and feeding them on anybody's idea of an ideal human diet simply makes no sense. They aren't human, and there's no reason to expect their requirements to be the same. |
Neither are you.
| Quote: | | Well missionms, I do have a problem with militants--no matter the front they are following. |
Then, you have a problem with me; so ,therefore, I have a problem with you. |
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Antonia
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Gary,
Your goose was cooked the day my tippy-toes touched down, in this neck of the woods. Now, I want the rest of you cooked, as well. |
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| .....and then there were none. |
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Antonia
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| Antonia wrote: | Gary,
Your goose was cooked the day my tippy-toes touched down, in this neck of the woods. Now, I want the rest of you cooked, as well. |
Please, very soon. |
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MarkT
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Location: On the globe that gave me birth-the cool green hills of Earth
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| I choose compassion for all liveing beings. The problem is that I still need to eat and the way God made me was to consume life in order to live..If thats wrong then I guess god made a mistake. Nothing I can do about it though. Have to let genetic science deal with that problem. |
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eruss
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I too believe in animal rights.
They have the right to be fried, boiled, roasted and baked. I prefer fried myself.  |
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M
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As you may have guessed Im a Native American. My spiritual practice is Ogala Rainbow.
In out beleif we beleive that all beings are of equal value.. That all things of the Creator are sacrid. To us it would not matter if we were eating a carrot or Bambi it would still be consumtion of a life.
But to us that is how the Creator made things.It is his wish. It is also his wish that when we must take a life we must give it respect and honnor for the sacrifice it made so we can continue liveing..To us to live any other way is corupt. |
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