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amarendra
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jihadjay, the muslim population in India hasnt remained stable but has actually multiplied. Also, Muslims in other parts of India dont need to become overt jihadis - thousands r in the pay of Pakistan's ISI serving Pakistan's cause(Mumbra and Kurla suburbs of Mumbai r veritable havens for all kinds of Islamic anti-national elements). Just look at the rhetoric of Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, his mass following and his pro-Osma speeches at his Friday meetings, to understand the danger India is in.
This is the reason why we r forced to look at every Muslim with suspicion and as a potential traitor - whether such a person who is standing before yu has pro-Pakistan/pan-Islamist tendencies/sympathies isnt ufortunately stamped on his forehead - and where national security is concerned yu must take recourse to worst-case scenarios rather than utopian ideals of pacifism, equality of religion, humanism and what not !!
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Post 9/11 arrest turned Sikh American's life
(Vasantha Arora (Indo-Asian News Service) Washington, February 26)
| Quote: | Seventeen months ago, a day after 9/11, Indian American Sher Singh was dragged out of a train, labelled suspicious because of his appearance, handcuffed and interrogated. Today the New Delhi-born Sikh has been entrusted with one of the most sensitive jobs in the United States -- to work with top-secret defence projects....
"If you think you have been chosen, for whatever reason, to do god's work then that's the way god wanted it," he says. "If I had my doubts about the importance of community service before, god instilled in me that importance.
That is how I look at it today," he says, according to media reports here. His arrest "was a wake-up call" to North America's 500,000 Sikhs "that we hadn't been doing enough to portray to the world what our contributions have been. We had not done enough outside of our own community to make others feel comfortable with us. |
read the rest at http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_197086,00050001.htm
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:41 am Post subject: |
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A Human Soul and A Cow Soul
| Quote: | This is not the first time that beef has been an election issue. The reasons are obvious. Hindu sentiment is by and large against cow slaughter, because of the reverence accorded to the cow in Hindu scriptures. Most sensible Muslim rulers of India accepted the need to respect such sentiment; and only fools considered an indulgence in beef worth the price of stability. (Aurangzeb, incidentally, for those who might consider this interesting, was a vegetarian, but this did not make him a sensible ruler.)
a man called Prabhudutt Brahmachari. He was a candidate in the first general elections held in free India, in 1951-52, from a constituency called Phulpur in eastern Uttar Pradesh. He had the support of all the non-Congress parties, from the socialists to the Jana Sangh (the original name of the BJP). The Congress candidate from Phulpur was a gentleman called Jawaharlal Nehru. No one in his senses expected the unknown Brahmachari to win, but at some point in the campaign he began to pick up steam. He had only one charge to make against India's first prime minister: that Jawaharlal ate beef.
It was hardly a secret that Nehru had some very English tastes. While Jawaharlal never touched alcohol, his breakfast was more kidney and toast than samosa and puri. (Motilal, his father, incidentally, did drink for most of his life, and, on his deathbed, teasingly accused Mahatma Gandhi of denying him the pleasures of Scotch in the last decade of his life after converting him to the Gandhian ethos during the non-cooperation movement.) |
read the rest of Akbar at http://www.dawn.com/2003/02/27/op.htm
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:40 am Post subject: |
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I wrote somewhere at FFI It is High time For the Bully To Retire:
so let us read the "Age of the bully" by Khushwant Singh.
| Quote: | All of us have encountered bullies at different times in our lives: in our years in school and college and even in later life. Bullies have two things in common: they have no respect for rules or laws and they are cowards. You call their bluff and they crack up.
Raja Bhaiyya is by no means the only or the biggest bully. Bal Thackeray, himself a frail man, not known for acts of bravery, became a bully by raising an army of sainiks.
He has shown contempt for the law many times and got away with it. Many utterances of Narendra Modi, Ashok Singhal, Giriraj Kishore and, most of all, Praveen Togadia are in clear violation of the law against spreading communal hatred, but no action is taken against them. Nor is it likely to be taken despite their announcements in public that they will go ahead with their plans to build a temple in Ayodhya regardless of what the Supreme Court or the Central government has to say. How long will we have to give in to these bullies?
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.........The story centres round a timid, self-effacing Prof. Shiv Murthy who teaches medieval Indian history at the Kasturba Gandhi Central University. He has written a booklet on the poet and social reformer, Basavanna (1106-1168), in which he emphasises Basavanna’s role in breaking the shackles of the caste system and the stranglehold of Brahmins.
....For some years, no one noticed it till a fundoo organisation, Itihas Suraksha Munch, demanded Murthy’s booklet be withdrawn from the curriculum. The munch hire goondas to storm the university and wreck Murthy’s office. University authorities succumb to blackmail.......
“In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I did not speak up because I was not a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak up because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the homosexuals, and I did not speak up because I was not a homo-sexual.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I did not speak up because I was Protestant.
Then they came for me but by that time there was no one left to speak up.”
Hariharan writes with anguish, pain and anger about what is happening to our country. I put In Times of Siege on top of my list of books that must be read. |
Read it all at http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_186069,00300003.htm
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yeezevee
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Clinton urges India against Hindu-Muslim polarization
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
| Quote: | NEW DELHI: Former US president Bill Clinton urged India not to polarize itself along religious lines if it wanted to be the "right kind" of world power.
Clinton, in a speech broadcast to a New Delhi conference late Saturday, said the Hindu-Muslim riots that left 2,000 dead last year in India's state of Gujarat were one of the saddest events since he left office in 2001.
He urged India to sort out its communal problems as it headed to becoming a "giant" on the world stage. "To identify and categorize people based on faith will keep India from becoming the right kind of giant in the 21st century," Clinton said in remarks released by the conference's host, India Today magazine. |
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yeezevee
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India And Imran Khan
Mr. Khan and Mr. Narendra Modi
| Quote: | Sachin can win World Cup for India: Imran Khan
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/6080_202054,00160007.htm
Impressed by the merciless attack by Sachin Tendulkar on Pakistan's bowlers, former Pakistani skipper Imran Khan on Sunday said the batting maestro can win the World Cup for his team if he kept up his current form... |
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thinklogic
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| Quote: | | He urged India to sort out its communal problems as it headed to becoming a "giant" on the world stage. "To identify and categorize people based on faith will keep India from becoming the right kind of giant in the 21st century," Clinton said in remarks released by the conference's host, India Today magazine. |
We cannot achieve this unless we have inter-religious and intra-religious equality in the Indian Law. By the former, I mean having a uniform civil code and by the latter, I mean removal of caste based reservations.
If the so called "secular" law itself judges differently on basis of religions and caste, how can you expect the common people to forget these differences?
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yeezevee
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My man Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid is a sort of unquestionable leader of all Muslims around Delhi Masjid and north India Masjids. He says secularism is not good, so from a new Muslim Party
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Imam asks Muslims to form a party SUNDAY, MARCH 09, 2003 03:06:03 PM
NEW DELHI: Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid on Sunday appealed to the Muslims to stop supporting the "so-called" secular parties, including the Congress and form a separate national party to protect the interests of the community.
.... Imam Maulana Syed Ahmed Bukhari said "Secularism is dead in this country after the Gujarat riots in which hundreds of Muslims were killed. Now it is high time we chart our own course....
Pointing to Congress leader Arjun Singh, he said "it was his party which triggered the Ayodhya controversy. They opened the locks, performed shilanyas and the masjid was brought down during their regime. 1984 anti-sikh riots were instigated by his partymen".
"What secularism are you and your President (Sonia Gandhi) talking about?" he asked a visibly embarrassed Singh.
Directing his ire this time at other leaders Ram Vilas Paswan, Arif Mohammed Khan and Udit Raj who were also present, he said "Paswans and Mulayam Singhs rule after we vote and it is we who are the ultimate sufferers."
Alleging that the Muslim community has been "under constant attack ever since independence", the Imam said "we were under a false impression that the so called secular parties would be our saviours. We can no longer lean on them. This over-dependence had weakened the community". |
read it all at http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?artid=39763628
So how would we save the Innocent Muslims of India? My man Shahi Imam thinks, he and his children and children's children should be the Imams of All Muslim in India and all the time. That is how he will save them from the GOONDAS that come from Hindu community who think that they are protecting "HINDUISM" from Innocent Muslims women and children.
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amarendra
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Here r some of the views of Shahi Imam on the Taliban and Osama.:
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives2001/kashmir20011018b.html
The Imam said he spoke for the world''s Muslims when he said Osama bin Laden was not guilty. ''Does Osama become guilty just because US says so? If Osama did it (attacks on US) then the US should allow his trial by Islamic law in an OIC (Organisation of Islamic Countries) member country.''Osama, said Bukhari, had become a hero to Muslims the world over. Osama, according to the Imam, had been elevated to that status by America, which had condemned him without fair trial or ''even a shred of evidence.''OIC members, he said, were being forced to support the US due to political considerations, but their people were not with them. ''Till Osama bin Laden is proved guilty all Muslims are with him'', he said.The Imam also painted the Taliban in heroic hue. ''The Taliban''s courage in the face of an enormous enemy had to be admired.... I salute their courage'', he said.Directly in his line of attack was also Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, whom he accused of betraying Afghanistan by supporting the US.The Imam predicted a quick demise for Musharraf''s regime. The military leader, he said, had become intensely unpopular with his country''s people and the 50 lakh Afghan refugees who lived in Pakistan. ''Even half of the Pakistan Army was against him'', the Imam claimed.''Musharraf thinks he''s beaten India in garnering US favour, but he is trapped. His regime will not last long after supporting the US action in Afghanistan,'' Bukhari contended.
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amarendra
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Its clear that Bukhari considers India to be a "Dar-ul-Harb" or a Kafir land on the way to becoming a "Dar-ul-Islam" thru the "sacrifices" and "heroism" of such agencies of Islamic brotherhood as the Al Qaida, the "Students' Islamic Movement of India" and Indian Taliban(i.e. students of Islamic theology)
Talib=student (of Islamic theology).
Thus the Imam's sons are Talibs too, as are all the other students studying and memorizing the lessons of Islamic fanaticism in sundry mosques and seminaries across India.
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yeezevee
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So Indian Govt and Present rulers of Pakisthan seem to go back to the table, Forget about solving the problem, will they succeed even talking to each other? Let us see what Vir Sanghvi is writing in his column
| Quote: | Negotiating from strength
.......while I recognise that India made the wrong economic choices, I believe that this country has held together because of the values propounded by our founding fathers: secularism rather than religious chauvinism, a scientific approach to the world, freedom of speech, tolerance, equality of opportunity and the like.
But there is one issue where I do not fit into the liberal mould. Most Indian liberals incline to the view that because Indians and Pakistanis are basically the same people, it is only natural for them to be friends. They argue that those who see Pakistan as the enemy are being — at least subliminally — anti-Muslim because they are suggesting that Muslims and Hindus are different people. And they believe — in the classic formulation that we hear again and again — that a strong and stable Pakistan is in India’s best interests.....I disagree with nearly all of this...
They believed in a secular India, built on a foundation of ideology and patriotism and chose it over a nation founded on religious chauvinism. To attack Pakistan and what it stands for is not to insult Indian Muslims. Rather, it is to applaud their choice in choosing a modern secular state over an Islamic one.
As for the view that Indians and Pakistanis are basically the same people, this is true. A Punjabi on our side of the border will have far stronger ethnic ties (language, culture, food, music, literature etc) with a Punjabi on the Pakistani side than he will with say, a Malayali or a Manipuri.
You expect people with different languages and ethnicities to want separate nations. But contrast the idea of India — 18 official languages, dozens of distinct cultures and more Muslims than Pakistan, held together by a faith in a common nationhood — with the idea of Pakistan: same ethnicity and culture as large parts of India but created out of a sense of separateness and hatred.
As for those who say that a strong and stable Pakistan is in India’s best interests, I always ask: does Pakistan believe that a strong and stable India is in Pakistan’s best interests?... |
read it all at http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_241572,00300001.htm
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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So, Khasmir was ruled by a single family almost all the time after India's independence, but now it has new adminstartion, let us see what the present chief minister is saying here
| Quote: | India can't wait for Pak to give peace a chance in J&K:
Jalandhar, April 27 Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister, Mufti Mohammad Sayeed on Sunday said India cannot wait for Pakistan to give peace a chance in the state.
"Whenever there is a peace move in the state or an overwhelming desire shown by the people for the peace, our enemies across the border start getting jittery and make attempts to sabotage it," he said at a function organised by Hind Samachar group.
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Coming down heavily on separatist groups who spurned the recent offer of talks with Centre's interlocutor NN Vohra, Sayeed said: "only those who neither have support of the people nor strength in their stand or argument shy away from dialogue.......Probably they are aware of their weaknesses."
Asserting that the situation in Jammu and Kashmir was fast returning to normalcy, he said isolated incidents should not be projected as a threat to peace..... |
read it all at http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_241695,0008.htm
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Cherie Blair in a sari charms Asians, irks some pucca English
| Quote: | Speaking at he Women's Achievement awards ceremony on Thursday night, Cherie Blair said: "The reason why people are here tonight is because they, like I am, are so proud of what we do in Britain to celebrate a multi-cultural community.
"The fact we can all get together here and celebrate the achievements of so many different Asian women from all sectors of society, celebrating their differences and achievements, is absolutely fantastic," she added.
Cherie Blair, not surprisingly, has been smirked at by a daily for wearing the sari, specially the bindi. The Daily Mail wrote under the heading "Cherie's extra Eye", the premier's wife looks East for inspiration by wearing the orb that brings Hindus good fortune. It is just the sort of thing a busy QC (Ms Blair is one), judge, Prime Minister's wife and mother of four could do. An extra eye." |
Hope that someday, sometime in future The world will see the fusion of cultures. In the past there were very few families where Hindu-Muslim; Hindu-Sikh; and Hindu-Christian and Hindu-Parsee backgrounds. Let the people pickup the best from every culture for their future family..
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yeezevee
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Mothers, Memsahibs, Goddesses and Whores: debates over women’s education in late nineteenth-century India
David Moles
24 February 2000
ttp://www.chrononaut.org/~dm/papers/education.pdf
A very interesting article about the better halfs of Indian subcontinent.
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yeezevee
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My Mother India
Documentaries 2001; Safina Uberoi, Sydney 2001
| Quote: | ‘My Mother India’ is a daughter’s reflection on her mother’s journey from Australia to India as well as her own journey, as the daughter of a fair skinned ‘foreigner’ in India. The story travels between India and Australia, between the past and present as it explores the heritage of a multicultural marriage, and the personal and political forces that shape a family over the past 50 years.
Background Notes
1984 was a watershed in India’s political and social history. It was a year in which many Indians were forced to redefine what it meant to be Indian. It was a time that was to prove particularly confronting for Patricia, an Australian woman who had chosen to live in India with her Indian husband Jit.
But in 1984 the ironies of my childhood were shattered by the violence of the anti Sikh riots of 1984.
1984 was a year of escalating political tension in the state of Punjab. Although my father had abandoned his Sikh identity as a teenager, the coincidence of political events in the Punjab and the death of my grandfather forced a profound change in him. My grandfather Papaji was a self styled Guru and died predicting much of the turmoil of 1984. My parents were with him when he died and as the political situation confirmed my grandfather’s most nightmarish fears, my father Jit became a Sikh again. ....
My mother Patricia still lives in India with my father Jit. Perhaps for her, living in India was like marriage- it was forever, for better or for worse. When I visit my parents now, my mother Patricia seems very Indian to me. With her freckles and her red hair, she is still ‘My Mother India’. |
readt it all at
http://www.chilifilms.com.au/html/india.html
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2003 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Let us see the India's president views about the future of India. As one of the intelligent FFI forum member writes in every alternate post about UGLY, BLACK, "KALLU", South Indians, The present president of India fits in to that category of typical South Indian with an inferiority complex, the president of India comes out of that hole called South India with the Dravidian 'KALLU' background and Kallu genetics. Offcourse on top all this if you are Muslim basher (NOT ISLAM), he is also Muslim by birth.
So let us hear from him his 2020 vision of India
| Quote: | Technology key to Vision 2020
A P J ABDUL KALAM
Technology is the most non-linear tool that can effect the fundamental changes in the ground rules of economic competitiveness. Technology is linked to Economy and Environment through Manufacture. Economy and environment bring Technology to society. Enthusiasm and vision of the youth of our country are infectious and I am assured that the future of India is in the safe hands supported by technology.
....Hence the duty of scientists and technologists is to ask themselves what they are going to do, that will enrich and remove the poverty of rural citizens and make India developed leading to reinforcement and enlightenment.....
Let this vision be the motivating factor to fire the imagination of our scientists, technologists, academicians, students, bureaucrats, politicians and the media so as to enable them to acquire a forward looking and dynamic urge to bring about a future that promises a still better future - vibrant, ever-growing and one that is productively more efficient. When that happens all petty squabbles, be they in the name of religion or any other, and all sectarian considerations will be forgotten and the country will move forward on its relentless onward path to become a developed nation by 2020. The vision 2020 will stand fulfilled then, and so will the aspirations of a billion people today.
My best wishes to all of you.
My greetings,
The President of India |
read it all at http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=46004338
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hinduwoman
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In one India Today issue I read that most Indians, even the poor, feel positive about their life-prospects. Even in Bimaru states there is a feeling that India has a future.
Unforutnately, this survey did not say whether muslims were included in it.
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rohitas
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MI:
You better behave. I won't let anyone be used as your scapegoat ...whatever I migh think of them...
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2003 6:34 pm Post subject: Loser Jack! |
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| rohitas wrote: | | Rotten Hinduwomen. |
Jack, why are you speaking to her like that? She's not your mother lol 
| Quote: | | Call yourself the Bimaru because you rate people on basis of materialsm. Luxury items, free sex and more money is basis of your for rating people. |
More rudeness against women, are you sure you're not a queer! lol
I think most people would rather you leave!
| Quote: | | I rather be poor than be rated on basis of Stress level, Industrialization, Coat-tie and English speaking abilities. |
That's because you can't speak English, you are only fluent in Gibberish!
| Quote: | | I rather be ugly and unsophisticated. |
Well you already are!
| Quote: | | It is you who have become Bimaru under influence of material pleasures and material standards. You should not call yourself a Hindu. |
She's a damn sight better Hindu than you'll ever be, at least she has a brain, unlike you, who ate his brains for lunch, followed by a nice fresh glass of cow urine lol
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Dear Zee TV (Yeezevee),
lol, I am just kidding with you 
I am not racist, the word "KALLU" is used by Punjabi Hindus against "Indians", I merely use it to humiliate idiots who try to mess with me, I am only retaliating against the crap thrown at me first. Although I hate "India" and want to see it dismantled, see all the people free and happy, I do not really hate "Indians"! I hope you can tell the difference. By the way, what does "Yeezevee" mean?
Kind Regards,
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2003 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Pakistani, You can now scapegoat anyone now, you got one more for yourself:
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She's a damn sight better Hindu than you'll ever be, at least she has a brain, unlike you, who ate his brains for lunch, followed by a nice fresh glass of cow urine lol
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Cow Urine is good. It is organic just like Milk coming from animal body. |
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| Quote: | | Cow Urine is good. It is organic just like Milk coming from animal body |
So extend that principal and you get... Mother's Milk = Mother's Urine. So now we know what mothers can do if they have lactation problem. Give up your quest doctors and dairy scientists and all others involved with milk (babies included)... we have found the subsitute for the much in demnd white liquid... a clear to yellow one. And the solution comes from the bosom of ancient scientific thought...
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!!!
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Think science if can think. Milk is also transormed from blood. Urine is extracted out of blood too. Actually blood always has always the ingradients of Urine.
Even if they do kosher/Halal meat. Some blood still remain in the meat. Within the blood resides small fraction of urine. SO you guys, if you don't like cow urine or animal urine. Don't eat meat!!!
Anyother study states that another reason people like beef is that it subconciously reminds them the taste that they felt as suckling --while sucking.
Camel Urine is also used in desert for medicinal purpose. WHy don't you guys shout about it.
Happy mother Day. For Hindus, cow provides us milk that is something that we owe to our mother. How can we kill anyone who provides us milk.... ... and certainly not for the beefy taste felt by suckling ... afterall, some grow up and don't need nipples
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