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roshan
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Who killed Buddhists in the past, for at one point Buddhism was very powerfull, wasn't it? Then Hindu nobles slaughtered Buddhists and re-Hinduised India.
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no one ever killed buddhists in india except for the muslims.
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And many Christians have been killed in recent times in India - and thousands of Christians in Bodoland and Nagaland have been killed and they want to be free of Indian slavery and Hindu migration. |
FIRST of all, nagaland is majority naga. SECOND of all, bodos are a MINORITY tribe in assam, and assam is majority hindu. there is no hindu migration in these parts.
THIRD, no ones killing christians, its the christians who are attacking and terrorizing the hindu minority groups in these areas.
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ROSHAN - I also often read about the Dalits being killed, and what a great religion which persecutes from birth; and you wonder why Christianity and Islam is growing in India? |
because of terrorism and bribery.
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AND ROSHAN and PAGAN PROPHET - remember that at some point in history Europeans were colonized by Arabs, Turks, Huns, and Mongol Empires - stop being so ignorant about reality! |
what does that have to do with anything?
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Now neither of you can answer my simple question; so name me Christian nations which persecute Buddhists now in 2002?
I have told you about Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Laos, Vietnam, and the worst nation of them all Myanmar. So is it that your stupid statements are mere empty words, so just stick to this point! |
korea was already named by varanasi.
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ROSHAN - Many Chinese turned to Christianity due to the corrupt elite in this nation, and you are dumb also, you see in all major civil wars people get killed on both sides. |
this was not a civil war it was a RELIGIOUS war created to make everyone christian.
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2002 2:14 pm Post subject: ROSHAN - come on, your generalizations are strange! |
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The Bodo's want to be independent of India and so do the Naga people, they have no desire to live in the nation called India.
Dalits are human beings, and the backward caste system is great for Islam and Christianity; for even in 2002 some lower castes were killed by Hindus due to being deemed "unpure."
SOUTH KOREA - is a lie - religious freedom applies in South Korea and no one will be put in prison for being a Buddhist - so this is pure lies.
With regards to colonialism, people don't mind talking about European colonialism; but you get a little uptight when I mention that the Mongols, Turks, Huns, Arabs, and other Asian groups in the past colonized Europe.
Many Christian churches and mosques have been destroyed in recent Indian history; and even in mainly Hindu Nepal the minority Christian community suffers persecution.
The Dalits also convert for multiple factors; the first being obvious, for any religion which believes in this system is clearly backward. And why should humans be de-humanized by high caste Hindus?
WHILE BUDDHISTS AND HINDUS CAN WORSHIP FREELY AND PEOPLE IN THE WEST ARE FREE TO CONVERT TO EITHER FAITH - IT IS CLEAR THAT IN MANY BUDDHIST SOCIETIES THAT CHRISTIANS SUFFER MASSIVE PERSECUTION AND THIS ALSO APPLIES TO HINDU NEPAL.
I NOTICE HOW YOU REMAIN QUIET ABOUT WHO JUDGED THE BUDDHA WITH REGARDS TO ENLIGHTENMENT? And who judges other people when they die?
THE SAME APPLIES TO REINCARNATION?
Strange because you didn't mind to rebuke my religion first; but you are shy to answer questions back.
The Taiping Rebellion was a civil war - it is not important if it was a religious conflict, for it takes two sides to have a civil war - and your knowledge on this sad event appears to be based on hatred, but then that is a natural concept for Hindus who support the caste system (NOT ALL HINDUS SUPPORT THE CASTE SYSTEM)
ALSO - Hindus killed Buddhists in the past; and when mass recent Dalit conversion to Buddhism was announced, the Buddhists had death threats made against them.
I WELCOME THE DAY WHEN CHRISTIANS CAN WORSHIP FREELY IN MAINLY BUDDHIST NATIONS.
JUST LIKE I WELCOME BUDDHISTS AND ALL FAITHS TO WORSHIP FREELY IN WESTERN NATIONS. |
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roshan
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| Quote: | | The Bodo's want to be independent of India and so do the Naga people, they have no desire to live in the nation called India. |
if the christians dont want to live in india then they should get the hell out. the hindu nagas and bodos are perfectly fine with india.
i notice that you havent commented about how your filthy missionaries are destroying the native culture of the nagas and bodos.
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Dalits are human beings, and the backward caste system is great for Islam and Christianity; for even in 2002 some lower castes were killed by Hindus due to being deemed "unpure." |
first, tell your fellow christians in kerala to stop kicking dalits out of schools and hospitals because of their caste. look at yourselves before you point fingers at others.
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SOUTH KOREA - is a lie - religious freedom applies in South Korea and no one will be put in prison for being a Buddhist - so this is pure lies. |
in south korea, christians are vandalising buddhist temples.
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With regards to colonialism, people don't mind talking about European colonialism; but you get a little uptight when I mention that the Mongols, Turks, Huns, Arabs, and other Asian groups in the past colonized Europe. |
none of these grups were buddhist when they invaded europe. get your facts straight.
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Many Christian churches and mosques have been destroyed in recent Indian history; and even in mainly Hindu Nepal the minority Christian community suffers persecution. |
prove it.
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The Dalits also convert for multiple factors; the first being obvious, for any religion which believes in this system is clearly backward. And why should humans be de-humanized by high caste Hindus?
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so what? christians in india are equally casteist. are you going to admit christianities backwardness now?
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WHILE BUDDHISTS AND HINDUS CAN WORSHIP FREELY AND PEOPLE IN THE WEST ARE FREE TO CONVERT TO EITHER FAITH - IT IS CLEAR THAT IN MANY BUDDHIST SOCIETIES THAT CHRISTIANS SUFFER MASSIVE PERSECUTION AND THIS ALSO APPLIES TO HINDU NEPAL. |
where is the proof?
you are naming countries like tibet, china, burma which are all military/communist dictatorships and these countries are also oppresssing the buddhists.
when you are given proof of buddhists oppressing others.
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I NOTICE HOW YOU REMAIN QUIET ABOUT WHO JUDGED THE BUDDHA WITH REGARDS TO ENLIGHTENMENT? And who judges other people when they die?
THE SAME APPLIES TO REINCARNATION?
Strange because you didn't mind to rebuke my religion first; but you are shy to answer questions back. |
it was varanasi who criticized christianity, and you also asked varanasi those questions. go look back at the other page.
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The Taiping Rebellion was a civil war - it is not important if it was a religious conflict, for it takes two sides to have a civil war - and your knowledge on this sad event appears to be based on hatred, but then that is a natural concept for Hindus who support the caste system (NOT ALL HINDUS SUPPORT THE CASTE SYSTEM) |
it was not a civil war it was a fascist religious rebellion. get that right. you are attempting to whitewash the churches slaughter of 20 million people in china.
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ALSO - Hindus killed Buddhists in the past; and when mass recent Dalit conversion to Buddhism was announced, the Buddhists had death threats made against them. |
nonsense. give me proof. where is the textrecords this?
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Pagan Prophet
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| Quote: | I NOTICE HOW YOU REMAIN QUIET ABOUT WHO JUDGED THE BUDDHA WITH REGARDS TO ENLIGHTENMENT? And who judges other people when they die?
THE SAME APPLIES TO REINCARNATION?
Strange because you didn't mind to rebuke my religion first; but you are shy to answer questions back. |
Buddha needed no judgement. People who followed him let their intellect judge and guide them. Judaic mind is obsessed with 'sin' and 'judgement'. Why should Buddha need to be judged? And there is no God to judge.
Why should dead people need 'judgement' too?
Reincarnation is based on the notion of 'Karma', or the notion of cause and effect. It is the most complete idea or theory that explains the inequities of human existence. Hindus and Buddhists are not the only one who believed in reincarnation. Socrates and Plato, the greatest philosophers of the Western world , also believed in it...so did the Gnostic Chrisitans. It was an accepted Christian belief too before it was declared a 'heresy' for very silly reasons 400 years after death of Christ through a papal fiat just as the earth was declared to be flat through papal fiat.
Science works with a set of plausible hypothesis. And reincarnation is intellectually more plausible and sophisticated viewpoint than the rising of dead from their graves on 'judgement day' for a fictional anthropomorphic God to dole out his 'judgements'. The former has an element of intellectual enquiry and scientific speculation about it .... the latter is a childish fable invented to govern the savages of Judea.
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2002 10:05 pm Post subject: ROSHAN and PAGAN PROPHET |
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St. Peter 1.24
"ALL MANKIND ARE LIKE GRASS, AND ALL THEIR GLORY IS LIKE WILD FLOWERS. THE GRASS WITHERS, AND THE FLOWERS FALL."
ROSHAN - I never stated that the Huns, Turks, Slavic, Germanic, and other tribes were Buddhist, I was merely pointing out that Pagans also slaughtered millions of people; and to make out that Paganism is so nice is a little strange, ok!
Note how ROSHAN and PAGAN PROPHET state my words, but I never paste yours, for I think freely unlike you two.
Now, ROSHAN, millions of Christians were killed in the Taiping Rebellion, and the Taiping Rebellion was crushed and millions of Christians were slaughtered - just like Japan which killed hundreds of thousands of Christians in Japan in the past.
Also, note that in the past the Chinese also annihalated Christianity in parts of Asia before the Taiping Rebellion. But I am not going to get into an historical debate all the time; for your ignorance is great.
PAGAN PROPHET - you are funny, you make me laugh, cool, so "karma" and "reincarnation" is not based on "judgement" and "isn't this being raised from the dead a thousand times?" Ha-ha, you are funny, and people believe in reincarnation because they fear death.
While in some Hindu and Buddhist cultures they still think that if a child plays with something or whatever, that they are another reincarnation, it is too funny to take serious, and if this is scientific then hey, science is like comedy!
Also, you go on about science, guess what, the science of the 14th century rebuked the science of the 15th century - and so on, and so on, and so on, this happens, it is called evolution and concepts which are believed to be scientific "truths" constantly change.
So still you can not answer why BUDDHIST and HINDU societies persecute Christians in NEPAL, MYANMAR, VIETNAM, LAOS, CAMBODIA, SRI LANKA, and so on.
YET ALL RELIGIONS AND NON-FAITHS HAVE FREEDOM IN THE WEST WHICH IS BASED ON CHRISTIAN CIVILIZATION. |
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Pagan Prophet
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| Quote: | | PAGAN PROPHET - you are funny, you make me laugh, cool, so "karma" and "reincarnation" is not based on "judgement"... |
You probably think that sarcasm and ad hominems are valid arguments. Let me clarify this point for the sake of others.
The notion of "Karma" does NOT involve any divine "judgement". If some one puts his hand in fire, he simply burns it. No 'fire god' comes out and says,"Putting hand in fire is a 'sin'..therefore I will burn you". There is no 'sin' or 'judgement' involved here. The simple law of cause and effect is working. The notion of reincarnation works within this framework. There is no 'sin'...no 'judgement'....there is only ignorance which can be overcome by true knowledge.
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:41 am Post subject: ROSHAN and PAGAN PROPHET - still in denial! |
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ROSHAN and PAGAN PROPHET - keep it up, you are mocking yourselves!
TAIPING REBELLION - HONG XIUQUAN
BANNED opium, sale of slaves, gambling, polygamy, prostitution, wine, foot binding, judicial torture AND BELIEVED IN EQUALITY OF THE SEXES and REDISTRIBUTION OF LAND.
ROSHAN WHO REBUKES BRITISH COLONIAL INDIA - NOW SUPPORTS BRITISH AND FRENCH COLONIAL AMBITIONS, for French and British forces helped to defeat the Christian Taiping Rebellion - and MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS WERE SLAUGHTERED
FUTURE COMMUNISTS AND NATIONALISTS ALIKE WOULD GLORIFY THIS REBELLION BECAUSE THEY FOUGHT AGAINST WESTERN COLONIAL POWERS
So ROSHAN, you hate the BRITISH colonial elite in INDIA but support it in CHINA - you are funny, thanks!
PAGAN PROPHET - more ridiculous comments - so you get reincarnated time and again and then one day you reach enlightenment and are freed from the cycle of re-birth.
AND NO JUDEGEMENT TAKES PLACE - that is funny, so how do you escape the cycle of re-birth if not judged, ha-ha, cool, you are funny!
PAGAN PROPHET - you think JESUS is strange for coming back to life once - yet how many times have you been reincarnated, ha-ha, funny!
AND THIS YOU STATE IS MORE SCIENTIFIC
Y-Suon Mlo, Y-Het Nei Kdam, and Y. Wan Ayum have recently been killed in Vietnam for Christian preaching.
Sri Lanka - Christians attacked in Hingurangoda district by Buddhist extremists (NOT BY THE STATE)
ROSHAN - BUDDHISM AND HINDUISM IS WELCOMED IN THE WEST
SO NO CHRISTIAN NATIONS PERSECUTE BUDDHISTS
BUT BUDDHIST SOCIETIES PERSECUTE CHRISTIANS
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| Quote: | | ha-ha, you are funny! |
This is the best 'argument' this guy has got. People like MENJ are found in equal measure among Chrisitans...it is not exclusively Muslim phenomenon...
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jihadjay:
Buddhism is dead cause it creates lethargy, ignorance and anarchy in its followers. It would have been extinct today if the Vedics dont provide refuge to the pathetic Dalai Lama. |
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roshan
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jihadjay, the taiping rebellion may have had some noble beliefs but the fact is that they killed 20 million people in order to spread christianity! there is absolutely no way to justify this massacre.
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:13 am Post subject: ROSHAN - look at what you said before? |
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ROSHAN - look at what you said before?
NOW 20 MILLION DIED ON BOTH SIDES
TAIPING REBELLION IMPLEMENTED LAWS TO ABOLISH SELLING SLAVES, FOOT BINDING, JUDICIAL TORTURE.
MORE IMPORTANT, explain to me how you can REBUKE THE BRITISH COLONIAL POLICY IN INDIA - yet at the same time SUPPORT BRITISH AND FRENCH COLONIAL POLICY IN CHINA?
Hypocritical comes to my mind, and maybe yours also?
YOU JUST WANTED TO REBUKE ME, YET DUE TO THIS YOU HAPPEN TO SUPPORT THE BRITISH COLONIAL SYSTEM IN CHINA but NOT IN INDIA in order to prove a point against me!
IT DID NOT WORK, did it?
AND DO YOU AND PAGAN PROPHET STILL DISPUTE THAT BUDDHISTS DO NOT PERSECUTE CHRISTIANS IN BHUTAN, LAOS, VIETNAM, CAMBODIA, and other nations?
ROSHAN - HINDUS AND BUDDHISTS ARE FREE TO WORSHIP IN THE WEST, AND IN MY HOME CITY IN MANCHESTER YOU HAVE A BUDDHIST CENTRE AND NEARLY ALL ARE WESTERN CONVERTS.
THEY PROVIDE FOOD FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE AND TRY TO RAISE THE PROFILE OF BUDDHISTS BEING KILLED IN THE CHITTAGONG HILL TRACTS IN BANGLADESH.
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| Quote: | | ROSHAN - HINDUS AND BUDDHISTS ARE FREE TO WORSHIP IN THE WEST, AND IN MY HOME CITY IN MANCHESTER YOU HAVE A BUDDHIST CENTRE AND NEARLY ALL ARE WESTERN CONVERTS. |
As already pointed out , this is not product of any 'Chrisitan' benevolence on the part of Church. It is simply possible because modern west is based on secular humanism which supports dissent and multiculturalism. Christian lobby is still trying its best to presecute other faiths. Recently, a crazed Chrisitian minister in UK had Yoga classes banned in a church owned building. Pat Robertson in USA wants all Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims to go out of USA.
This is fraud Church is busy with in third world. It tries to sell the liberalism , tolerance and multiculturalism of of the West as "Chrisitan" values when the truth is that the West acheived these values by forcing Chrisitan values in a topsyturvy through secular rebellion. If Church could still have its way in West, it will not only ban all other religions but also churches of other denominations. The reason one sees a 'well behaved' Church is because it is a defanged Church...it is a Church which has been cut to a size...it is a Church which is held in tight leash of secular legislation....let go of that leash and we would have witch-burnings and inquisitions retruning all over West.
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2002 3:46 am Post subject: PAGAN PROPHET |
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PAGAN PROPHET
I CAN TURN THIS AROUND ON YOU, like always!
Why is it that in India the caste system remains and suti was maintained for so long?
Why is it that nearly every Buddhist society is poor and mainly despotic?
Why is it that Islamic nations are mainly despotic?
COULD IT JUST BE THAT industrialization, democracy, liberalism, homosexual rights, female rights in law, and so on; happened in the West because of CHRISTIANITY?
YOU SEE, WHATEVER THE CHURCH DID IS NOT MY CONCERN - THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS ARE CLEAR.
JESUS DID NOT KILL
JESUS DID NOT HAVE AN ARMY
JESUS DID NOT PERSECUTE ANYONE
JESUS DID NOT BAN ANYTHING
JESUS DID NOT HAVE MATERIAL WEALTH
JESUS DIED A MARTYR
JESUS FORGAVE THE CRIMINAL WHEN IN MASSIVE PAIN AND DYING
JESUS HELPED THE POOR
JESUS WAS BORN A REFUGEE
JESUS WENT TO THE LEPERS
JESUS SAVED THE PROSTITUTE FROM BEING KILLED
JESUS LOVED HUMANITY
PAGAN PROPHET - the NEW TESTAMENT sets people free if you desire
AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM TO REJECT IT
AND OF COURSE, ANY RELIGION WITH 2 BILLION FOLLOWERS WILL HAVE FUNDAMENTALIST - JUST LIKE IN ISLAM, BUDDHISM, HINDUISM, and so on.
PAGAN PROPHET KEEP UP YOUR CHILDISH REMARKS - they suit you!
THE JAPANESE FOLLOWED SHINTOISM AND BUDDHISM, THEY KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS DUE TO HIDEYOSHI - yet I clearly undertand that SHINTOISM AND BUDDHISM does not state this; YET EVIL PEOPLE AND NATIONS HAVE COME FROM ALL SOCIETIES.
THE SAME JAPANES WHO BELIEVED IN BUDDHISM AND SHINTOISM KILLED 30 MILLION IN CHINA ALONE between 1937-1945; yet once more this was not due to the teachings of the BUDDHA or SHINTO; but due to corrupt elites - and you have had these in all religions.
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roshan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2002 4:00 am Post subject: ROSHAN - look at what you said before? |
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jj, i have never condoned colonial policy.
it does not matter what the taiping rebellion wanted to abolish in china. the cold, hard fact is that the taiping rebellion attempted to spread christianity at the sword, and killed 20 million people in the process. how can you not realize the value of 20 million lives? stop dancing around the issue and stop attempting to justify this christian massacre.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2002 4:59 am Post subject: ROSHAN |
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ROSHAN
Firstly you are a hypocrite, for you can not rebuke the British in India; when at the same time the British were killing Christians in the TAIPING REBELLION
YOUR RECORD IS STUCK
NOTE - 20 million died and many of these were Christians who were killed.
NOTE - you now support British and French colonial policy
NOTE - you now support the reintroduction of slavery, foot binding, and so on
YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS EVENT IS CLEARLY ZERO, for at first you didn't even know that the BRITISH and FRENCH sents troops to kill the Christians.
NOW JUST FOCUS ON SOMETHING YOU UNDERSTAND
SO ROSHAN SUPPORTS COLONIAL BRITS IN CHINA but NOT IN INDIA AT THE SAME TIME - YOU ARE PURE STUPID |
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roshan
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listen here.
taiping rebellion was started by a christian fanatic who wanted to kill all the non christians and make china a christian nation. the reason for this violence is christianities teaching that it is the only truth and path there is. due to christian intolerance, 20 million had to die.
nothing you can say can justify this killing.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2002 12:58 am Post subject: Re: HMMM - why don't you state more lies, keep it up! |
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| jihadjay wrote: | HMMM
Having been to South Korea, you are clearly a major liar, so what if some Christians and Budhist individuals clash, are you really trying to tell me that the SOUTH KOREAN STATE puts Buddhists in prison for converting from CHRIISTIANITY?
I know this is not true. So you are a liar!
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No. I have not been to Korea, but I have Korean fiends. One of them told me that when Christians first enetered into the region those missionaries decapitated many Buddhists if they did not convert. Nobody said that Korean government puts Buddhists in jail. It is your halucinattion. But do not deny the fact that there are Christian elements in Korea that is bent on destroying Buddhism. My point was you Christians do not show respect to other faiths and so you are attacked. Learn to respect other faiths and the problem will disappear.
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In the meantime more than 100,000 Christians and Muslims have been killed in Myanmar alone and the Karen, Shan, and other Christian groups are not just persecuted, they are killed.
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This is the action of the miltary in Burma. You cannot blame the Buddhists for this. Even Buddhists are killed by this government.
http://www.rider.edu/sites/cathmin/CathRdgs/ReligPersec/myanpers.htm
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HMMM - Since you are fascinated with South Korea why not state that thousands of Christians were killed by Japanese Imperial Forces and the Buddhists sided with Japan against their own people; AND THIS IS WHY CHRISTIANITY GREW!
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Where did you get this crap from! From your idiotic Church ?
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To state that Jesus and the New Testament is based on hatred is rubbish, just like if I stated that Buddhist scripture is based on hatred, this also would be rubbish and a lie. SO IT IS CLEAR THAT THE HATRED IN THIS PLACE OCCURS TO THE NICE BUDDHISTS WHO FAIL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND JUST COME UP WITH RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS.
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Exclusivistic claims of your religion is based on HATRED. It is clear because you Christians cannot tolerate anything non-Christian. So your new testament is rooted on HATRED because the actions of Christians from history and also by what happens these days(as in Korea, Tripura, HATE speech made by missionaries against other religion) proves the same. What Jesus taught or how he acted is irrelevant to non-Christians. The real problem is you overzealous missionary Christians.
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So why are mainly Buddhist nations poor?
Why are Buddhist nations mainly backward?
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There was a time when Christian nations were poor. The so called Christian nations of today are prosperous because of Renaissance that appeared in Europe back in 1500s. Infact many Christian priests tortured those great rational thinking scientists(Galileo, NICOLAUS COPERNICUS
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What about Ethiopia ? Christianity came to that country long before Europe. What is the contribution of Christianity to that nation. NILL, ZERO. If you are trying to imply that Buddhist nations are poor because of their religion then you are a bloody STUPID.
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Why are mainly Buddhist nations like Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Vietnam, Laos, and others, killing non-Buddhists or putting converts to Christianity in prison?
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Myanmar has no Buddhist government. In Vietnam even Buddhists are harrased. Laos has a communist government and even persecutes Buddhists.
http://www.bangla2000.com/News/Archive/International/2001-02-11/news_detail4.shtm
http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjub/200107/0079.html
You are denying the basic problem with Christianity and Christians. You people have to STOP CONVERSION and PROSELYTIZATION which without doubt involves ABUSE of other religions and their GODS. Stop conversion by IMMORAL means. It is you Christians that are responsible for your fate and not Buddhists.
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Notice how I do not have a problem when Buddhists come to the West and also state nice lies about how Buddhism is great, the Buddha did this, and did that.
SO WHO JUDGED THE BUDDHA WHEN HE OBTAINED ENLIGHTENMENT?
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Christianity is based on FALSEHOOD even accoring to your own scripture(Old Testament).
I do not know what lies tyou have found about Buddhism ? Why don't you state what it is?
Your question makes no sense to me ?
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AND IF NO GOD OR GODS - HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? OR DID BUDDHA TELL PEOPLE AFTER HE DIED?????
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Irrelevant to Buddhism.
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REINCARNATION - interesting, you just keep on coming back, and back, and back, and back, and back, YET IF YOU ARE BAD YOU COME BACK LOWLY - and you may be born poor or not even be a human, SO HOW DO YOU WORK YOURSELF BACK UP THIS CHAIN LADDER?
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4 Noble Truth & Noble 8-Fold Path is the solution.
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~cswoon/noble.html
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NOTICE THAT MY FIRST MESSAGE WAS MERELY ABOUT BUDDHIST PERSECUTION - BUT YOU REBUKED MY RELIGION - SO I WILL ASK YOU ABOUT YOURS - but all I hear is silence!
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What did you ask and when ? This is the first time I am having any discussion with you. Did you read my post last time.
It is you Christians that rebuke anything NON-CHRISTIAN. Go to the following link and see how your STUPID missionaries are attacking other religions.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0016/0016_01.asp
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ANYONE interested in Buddhist societies then openly check these nations and with regards to Buddhist persecution just focus on the KAREN, SHAN who are mainly Christian and the ARAKANESE MUSLIMS in MYANMAR.
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Myamnar military government persecutes even Buddhists. Finally it comes to one point.
1. Christians have to stop proselytizing and taking advantage of the poverty of those nations you have mentioned.
2. Christians have to stop teaching crap like "You will go to hell if you do not accept Jesus". If Christianity teaches such CRAP, then non-Christians have the right to say that CHRISTIANITY is based on FALSEHOOD.
3. Stop abusing non-Christian religions. http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0016/0016_01.asp
As long as there are Christians with the attitude displayed in the above site there will be non-Christians like us to ABUSE your religion. |
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Having been to South Korea...
So why are mainly Buddhist nations poor?
Why are Buddhist nations mainly backward?
Why are mainly Buddhist nations like Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Vietnam, Laos, and others, killing non-Buddhists or putting converts to Christianity in prison?
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South Korea is not a terribly good example of a Buddhist country, or Christian country, or even a "religious" country. Only about half the population really follows any organized religion, and almost all people, whatever their "religion" might be, practice mainly shamanistic ancestor worship rites on certain holidays. Only the Christians are fanatical and obscurantist in the way that we are familiar with in the West, and that is largely because they experienced proselytization almost entirely through "evangelical" (i.e. Fundamentalist) Christian denominations from the West, especially from the American South. Any realistic assessment of Christianity in South Korea would have to conclude that its early success came mostly from superstitious association with modern conveniences, missionary schools, and superior health care for formerly widespread diseases like dysentery and malaria. Recent awareness of Buddhism's popularity among Western movie stars and the simultaneous unpopularity of Christianity has likewise helped to revive the appeal of Buddhism. In general, however, despite the superstitiously fervent belief of a minority of Christian converts, South Koreans are a basically secular society, and unwilling to allow religion to interfere with the more pressing business of becoming rich, having a nice apartment, and putting the kids through good schools. Any religious fanaticism is an import from less secular societies, like some in the Christian West.
Japan is a nominally Buddhist nation, or at least somewhat more Buddhist than its neighbors, and it is neither backwards nor poor. It certainly counts. There is no relationship between Buddhism and social backwardness in the same way as there is between Islam and backwardness. Countries like Thailand are actually even ahead of much of the West in many aspects as far as social tolerance goes. |
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| Quote: | | There is no relationship between Buddhism and social backwardness in the same way as there is between Islam and backwardness. |
There is certainly a positive correlation between Christianity (read Chuchianity) and backwardness. Till the time Europe was ruled by Chrisitan framework, it lived in dark ages. When the 'Chrisitan' framework was destroyed by secular rebellion and resurgent paganism, Europe went on to become the leader of the world in all aspects.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 2:32 am Post subject: PAGAN PROPHET - SHARQI - HMM - ROSHAN |
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SHARQI - JAPAN is not a Buddhist county, I know, I live in this land. The main religion in Japan is Shintoism and this is often fused with Buddhism; you do have certain Buddhist areas like Kyoto, Kayosan, Kamakura; however, Japan is secular and Shintoism is the binding fabric of society.
Also, the Americans enforced democracy on Japan after WW2 and the United States gave enormous aid to Japan due to her geopolitical position with regards to Communism in the former Soviet Union, North Korea and China.
HMM-PAGAN PROPHET-SHARQI
Lets look at mainly Buddhist nations, - Bhutan, Cambodia, Laos, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Myanmar, Vietnam - now come on, are we talking about economic powers, OF COURSE NOT - so BUDDHISM DID NOTHING FOR ECONOMIC ADVANCEMENT, indeed many Islamic societies are more modern than LAOS, BHUTAN, CAMBODIA, and MYANMAR.
WITH REGARDS THE NEW TESTAMENT - it is not based on hate, and if you are not Christian then hell means nothing to you; and JESUS never killed, never had material wealth, never hurt anyone, never had an army, and the NEW TESTAMENT IS BASED ON LOVE
EVEN WHEN JESUS WAS DYING HE FORGAVE THE CRIMINAL ALONGSIDE HIM - so you are talking stupid, which is a common theme of your statements.
Also, most people in Europe are Christian, many are not strict, big deal, and all religions are welcomed in the West. So what if you get a few idiots, you get these everywhere.
Visit any Western nation and you will see mosques, Buddhist temples, Hindu temples, Bahai, and others, no one cares; and people are free to worship religion or reject it.
CHRISTIANITY is not based on church and state - in ISLAM you have SHARIA LAW - in Christianity Jesus made it clear that you keep both apart.
MASSACRES have happened by everyone, and isn't it strange when a Christian nominal country does something, it is Christian barbarians. So lets just look at enlightened Asia in the 20th century.
PARTION OF INDIA and PAKISTAN - millions killed
PAKISTAN and BANGLADESH WAR - millions killed
CAMBODIA - POL POT - at least 1 million people killed
MYANMAR - Hundreds of thousands of mainly Christians and Buddhists have been killed during the last 40 years
JAPAN - killed 40 million Asians
INDONESIA - 200,000 killed in East Timor and millions killed in the power struggle between Sukarno and Suharto
SO IT IS CLEAR THAT TERRIBLE THINGS HAVE ALSO HAPPENED IN ASIA, just like in EUROPE.
MYANMAR - many Christians and Muslims have been killed due to not being Buddhist and the Karen split on religous lines, and Karen Buddhist were often left alone while Christians were killed in the same village.
I HAVE GIVEN A FULL LIST OF KAREN SOCIETIES BEFORE AND SHAN, check them if you want.
HMMM - you state respect other faiths, well most Western people do and this also applies in other parts of the world. For example in parts of Latin America they have fused paganism with Catholicism; while in Africa both Animists and Christians pray side by side - IN TRUTH CHRISTIANITY IS DIFFERENT IN EVERY NATION AND SOMETIMES IN REGIONS ALSO - SO YOU ARE JUST MAKING GENERAL STATEMENTS
MORE IMPORTANT - 65% to 70% of all CHRISTIANS COME FROM THE SOUTHERN PART OF THIS WORLD - so Christianity is not a Western relgion.
HMMM - NOTICE YOUR STUPID STATEMENT ABOUT ETHIOPIA - well since Islam came into being and with Ehiopia being very close to Arabia then Islamic wars have been a constant theme throughot Ethiopian history
- and the ETHIOPIAN CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN FIGHTING AGAINST ISLAM FOR 1,000 years - then FASCIST ITALY TOOK CONTROL and THEN COMMUNIST MENGISTU - so this nation had little hope given its geopolitical reality.
PAGAN PROPHET - SHARQI - HMM - ROSHAN - NOTE THAT CHRISTIANS ARE PERSECUTED IN BUDDHIST SOCIETIES, yet you can not tell me one single Christian naiton where Buddhists are persecuted.
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we already named korea. so stop pretending that we havent named anything.
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| jihadjay wrote: |
HMM-PAGAN PROPHET-SHARQI
Lets look at mainly Buddhist nations, - Bhutan, Cambodia, Laos, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Myanmar, Vietnam - now come on, are we talking about economic powers, OF COURSE NOT - so BUDDHISM DID NOTHING FOR ECONOMIC ADVANCEMENT, indeed many Islamic societies are more modern than LAOS, BHUTAN, CAMBODIA, and MYANMAR.
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Neither is Christianity responsible for any prosperity that West has. It is science and technology that is responsible for prosperity of west. There was a time when all Christian Europe was as bad as Islamic countries. Your pope was responsible for launching crusades and killing great scientists like Copernicus etc.
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WITH REGARDS THE NEW TESTAMENT - it is not based on hate, and if you are not Christian then hell means nothing to you; and JESUS never killed, never had material wealth, never hurt anyone, never had an army, and the NEW TESTAMENT IS BASED ON LOVE
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New testament is based on HATRED of anything non-Christian. It claims everybody will go to hell if one does not accept Jesus. This is the logic missionaries use to abuse other religions and also abuse people of other religions.
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EVEN WHEN JESUS WAS DYING HE FORGAVE THE CRIMINAL ALONGSIDE HIM - so you are talking stupid, which is a common theme of your statements.
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What Jesus did or did not do is irrelevant here. It is the act of fundamental missionaries that counts here. Their acts are based on new testament.
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Also, most people in Europe are Christian, many are not strict, big deal, and all religions are welcomed in the West. So what if you get a few idiots, you get these everywhere.
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I do not get your point.
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Visit any Western nation and you will see mosques, Buddhist temples, Hindu temples, Bahai, and others, no one cares; and people are free to worship religion or reject it.
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Agreed. You will find the same in India too.
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CHRISTIANITY is not based on church and state - in ISLAM you have SHARIA LAW - in Christianity Jesus made it clear that you keep both apart.
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Where ? History does not prove that ? (from Goa to Korea)
By the way what happened to pre-Christian religions in Europe ?
What happened to all American Indians in America ?
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MASSACRES have happened by everyone, and isn't it strange when a Christian nominal country does something, it is Christian barbarians. So lets just look at enlightened Asia in the 20th century.
PARTION OF INDIA and PAKISTAN - millions killed
PAKISTAN and BANGLADESH WAR - millions killed
CAMBODIA - POL POT - at least 1 million people killed
MYANMAR - Hundreds of thousands of mainly Christians and Buddhists have been killed during the last 40 years
JAPAN - killed 40 million Asians
INDONESIA - 200,000 killed in East Timor and millions killed in the power struggle between Sukarno and Suharto
SO IT IS CLEAR THAT TERRIBLE THINGS HAVE ALSO HAPPENED IN ASIA, just like in EUROPE.
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In India, the problem is and was because of Islam and partly because of Christianity as well. Agreed terrible things happened in Asia. This does not VOID what fundamentalist Christian missionaries and Christianity has done to the world. Infact Christians have killed lot more people than Muslims.
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MYANMAR - many Christians and Muslims have been killed due to not being Buddhist and the Karen split on religous lines, and Karen Buddhist were often left alone while Christians were killed in the same village.
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Myanmar has militrary rule. It has nothing to do with Buddhism. Even Buddhists are killed by this government.
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MYANMAR - Hundreds of thousands of mainly Christians and Buddhists have been killed during the last 40 years
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Read your own quote.
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I HAVE GIVEN A FULL LIST OF KAREN SOCIETIES BEFORE AND SHAN, check them if you want.
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Buddhists are also killed by the same government.
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HMMM - you state respect other faiths, well most Western people do and this also applies in other parts of the world. For example in parts of Latin America they have fused paganism with Catholicism; while in Africa both Animists and Christians pray side by side - IN TRUTH CHRISTIANITY IS DIFFERENT IN EVERY NATION AND SOMETIMES IN REGIONS ALSO - SO YOU ARE JUST MAKING GENERAL STATEMENTS
MORE IMPORTANT - 65% to 70% of all CHRISTIANS COME FROM THE SOUTHERN PART OF THIS WORLD - so Christianity is not a Western relgion.
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So what is your point. Do you say these societies are poor because of being non-Christian. If that is your point then every Christian who practises pure Christianity should be free from poverty. Is that so ? Obviously no. Why was Jesus poor ? So stop blaming poverty on religious beliefs(may be except Islam) ? West is rich because of scientific progress and not because of Christianity. Infact you Christians have killed many rational thinkers during renaissance period. For your information, India was quite rich before barbaric Islam and barbaric western Christians came into India. Also know that it was from Hinduism and Hindus that British learnt to build better ships, they learnt plastic surgery from Hindu medicine men(back in 18th century). Diamond was unknown to European community and infact unknown to people outside mainland India. I can state so many other things India had contributed to western society. India and other nations are poor because of having been under colonial rule for many years. Once Bengal(a province in India) was very prosperous before the arrival of British in India. After their arrival they systematically destroyed all textile industries in that province in order to make British Industries prosper. Infact America and other nations were poor according to todays standards 200 years before. It takes time for development.
Besides if you see who controls world economy and market you will find it is all white western people who create political conditions for the properity of western nations. There are many reasons for the poverty in non-western nations. Understand one thing that western nations are rich because of POWER and influence they have internationally which the Asian nations lack. This is the reason for their poverty.
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HMMM - NOTICE YOUR STUPID STATEMENT ABOUT ETHIOPIA - well since Islam came into being and with Ehiopia being very close to Arabia then Islamic wars have been a constant theme throughot Ethiopian history
- and the ETHIOPIAN CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN FIGHTING AGAINST ISLAM FOR 1,000 years - then FASCIST ITALY TOOK CONTROL and THEN COMMUNIST MENGISTU - so this nation had little hope given its geopolitical reality.
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Not more STUPID than your statement. You did not get my point perhaps. What is Christianity's part in the prosperty of any country. There was a time when Christians in America used to burn witches. Prosperity of any nation is because of technology and not Christianity.
Similarly as you stated, Buddhist countries(meaning where Buddhists are a majority) are under communist rule or military dictatorship. Given its political conditions it takes time for development in Asian countries. Poverty is not due to Buddhism.
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PAGAN PROPHET - SHARQI - HMM - ROSHAN - NOTE THAT CHRISTIANS ARE PERSECUTED IN BUDDHIST SOCIETIES, yet you can not tell me one single Christian naiton where Buddhists are persecuted.
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What about Korea which is about 50% Christian. Does it not qualify as Christian society.
Anyway it does not VOID the fact that there are Christians who hate Buddhism and harm Buddhists.
Finally the main point is Christians should respect other Faiths and people following other religions. Missionaries are the cause of trouble who preach and teach new converts HATRED to their original religion. This lands many Christians into trouble with other religious faiths. Christians are persecuted by people of other religions because they abuse non-Christian religions, their GODS and people of other religions. Why are U not addressing this issue Jayjihad ? Are you afraid of the TRUTH or is it that you tacitly approve of such actions of HATE FILLED CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES ?
In some cases these missionaries encourage the new converts to desecrate IDOLS and temples of the "Original Faith".
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