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SkewitontheBarbie
Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 225
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The thing is, roshan, this asshole succeeded in bringing down the british empire with all its might using the so-called idiotic approaches that you despise. Don't you think he might have had a point? I am not sure but I believe that this man believed that love can conquer hate. I think that Muslims get terrified from a man like that more than they fear fundamentalist Hindus. Is it true that he inspired Hindus to resist the british using the non-violence "let-them-beat-you" approach. What do you think? Am I mistaken? |
Netaji Bose played a far more important role than Gandhi. Gandhi was a dhimmi. He had that type of attitude towards muslims. |
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roshan
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 1717
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| roshan wrote: | | only a person who is destitute of any moral values would take advantage of the sufferring of others in such a way!!!!! |
That goes without question.
| then what are we arguing about?  _________________
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arifqurashi
Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Posts: 322
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2002 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Pagan Prophet wrote: |
Have you heard of Goan Inquisition imposed by Catholic Church on Hindus?
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Pagan Prophet, Ganesh
Happy Monday!!
I learn something new everyday.
Thanks for the links, I haven't read them all because of time constraints, but so far I'm with you. I also feel sorry for the Hindus and what has happened to them over the centauries. We Abraham followers have so little understanding of people of other faiths that it is shameful.
However, you must know that though I take sides, I'm still an idol worshipper and won't change, I love my motorcycles, and old vintage cars. I pray before them daily, not to brake down and take me to places swiftly.
Roshan, I used to like Gandhi
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Ganesh
Joined: 23 Jul 2002 Posts: 466
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2002 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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arif,
I know there are people who despise Gandhi because he urged Hindus to be tolerant, when they are being murdered in millions, and taken advantage of in their own country, but I am still not sure, we can brand him as anti-hindu or anti-national, evidence against him doesn't exist as much as we like, but I feel there is no use of abusing him, you should know he comes from a bania(traders) family, and they are famous for being non-violent, more than brahmins, probably that played a major part in molding his belief system. He always said, for spiritual salvation Hindus do not need any other religion to their rescue. _________________ They can see but are blind in following like sheep, who are they? |
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zamieer
Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 11
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Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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To say that NO Hindu converts to Christinity because of belief is nothing but stupid. Trust me.
I have no doubt some dalits are leaving Hinduism for Buddhism and Christianity and Islam for reasons other then belief but it is because they are treated like garbage.
I think you'll find alot of this anger in the north is due to tribal tensions being shown clearer in a statement of defining faith as different.
It happens everywhere with many religions, people hold or defect faith to shwo their distaste of their former faith and then use that faith (even if they contradict it) ot fight against their old or against another ethnic or demographic group. |
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cyd602

Joined: 09 Apr 2002 Posts: 150 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Anahita wrote: | | That is why I believe the "major" religion in any land should also be the "local" religion. And this is exactly why I believe Zoroasterism is the best alternative to Islam for Iran. Zoroastrians will not want to separate from the rest of Iran because Zoroasterism is considered an "Iranian Religion" and I think that we already celebrate most of the Zoroastrian holidays, as well as most of their cumstoms so it should not be too difficult to revive Zoroasterism. But you are right christianity is a little like Islam in that sense and we should be careful about that. |
Why not just let people choose freely? No religion would be a threat as long as there are laws that rise above all that religious stuff that would be fair to all people regardless. _________________ "Faith makes all things possible, Love makes it easy." |
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Anahita
Joined: 29 Sep 2002 Posts: 1008
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2002 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Why not just let people choose freely? |
People are free to choose whatever they want. But I think they should choose the local religion. Why? Because if a significant number of a population convert to one religion and the rest choose something else, the threat exists that one group will turn into religious seperatists and civil war will break out. Much like India did with Pakistani separatist and they still have problems with Cashmere; and much like the Russians do with Chechenians seperatists who have now resorted to terrorism to further their cause. There are many other examples of civil wars that have occured because some people decided to convert to another religion and then decided to revolt against the majority demanding an autonomous state often using violent means. |
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cyd602

Joined: 09 Apr 2002 Posts: 150 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2002 4:53 am Post subject: |
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As long as there are laws that everyone must abide by, regardless of religion, those religious nuts would be prosecuted just like any other violent criminal.
I wouldn't suggest people join any particular religion. Let people join in with whatever they are comfortable with, or not join religion at all if that makes them happy. _________________ "Faith makes all things possible, Love makes it easy." |
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syamal
Joined: 08 Nov 2002 Posts: 388
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2002 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Anhita wrote,
" Much like India did with Pakistani separatist and they still have problems with Cashmere; and much like the Russians do with Chechenians seperatists who have now resorted to terrorism to further their cause. There are many other examples of civil wars that have occured because some people decided to convert to another religion and then decided to revolt against the majority demanding an autonomous state often using violent means."
I donot think all people have to adopt local indigenous religeon to maintain
peace & harmony. It is fact that there are war,violence, hatred & separatist movenent all over the world by the name of religeon. If you
look at those flash point, you will see muslims are on one side of the divide. Islam is the demon to divide people on religeous line.
The cause of rebel insurgency in northeast part of India is geo-political.
It is far from the truth to think that church is spearheading a separetist
rebellion by divine inspiration. Church has no such agenda anywhere in
India. Christianity is in the mainstream of Indian social & political life.
Sameway it is true about Budhist & Sikhs. Anyone can ask how it is
Possible. Only answer is no major religeon teaches hatred, violence,
animosity & mistrust to others except Islam. Whatever we hear about
Hindu fundamentalism in India is a counter product to combat islamic
terror & expansionist motive. Even in America, there are so many
people from so many faith and they live in harmony & peace. Everyone
is happy with religeous tolerance of Amerian society. Include muslims in
American society, here is the begining of religeous hostility, animosity &
divide. And one mad man from Arabia & his garbage text Kuran imposed
hatred, violence & disaster on mankind for last fifteen hundred years.
People can live in peace with their faith without islam. |
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