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trueskeptic
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 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 2:07 pm Post subject: Michael Ruse, evolutionist: Yes, evolution's a religion |
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‘Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion — a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint — and Mr [sic] Gish is but one of many to make it — the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.
‘… Evolution therefore came into being as a kind of secular ideology, an explicit substitute for Christianity.’
Michael Ruse, professor of philosophy and zoology at the University of Guelph, Canada (recently moved to Florida), How evolution became a religion: creationists correct? National Post, pp. B1,B3,B7 May 13, 2000. |
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just_me
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 9:32 pm Post subject: Michael Ruse, evolutionist: Yes, evolution's a religion |
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| trueskeptic wrote: |
‘Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion — a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint — and Mr [sic] Gish is but one of many to make it — the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.
‘… Evolution therefore came into being as a kind of secular ideology, an explicit substitute for Christianity.’
Michael Ruse, professor of philosophy and zoology at the University of Guelph, Canada (recently moved to Florida), How evolution became a religion: creationists correct? National Post, pp. B1,B3,B7 May 13, 2000.
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So, evolution is a religion because Michael Ruse says it is?
What the doctrines, the dogma, et?
Darwin never said, "Survival of the fittest". Besides the fittest today can die tomorrow, look at dinosaurs. So that cannot be evolutionary dogma or doctrine.
Somehow, "gradual change over time" just doesn't have a very religious ring to it. |
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Salina
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2002 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| My Islamic flatmate told me evolution is a religion...the countless hours every week that I spent trying to educate him on this stream of science was unbelievable frustrating. I gave up after a few months. |
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perfanalyst
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2002 12:46 pm Post subject: Which definition? |
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From dictionary.com
re·li·gion Pronunciation Key (r-ljn) n.
1.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
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So by which definition are you claiming that evolution theory is a religion?
1. a or b: What creator is being worshipped?
2. Back to chosing either 1, 3, or 4.
3. Okay same issue as 1, where is belief in a spirit world promoted?
4. OK, this one I'll agree to, but by this definition farming is also a religion. |
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MarkT
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2002 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Salina wrote: |
My Islamic flatmate told me evolution is a religion...the countless hours every week that I spent trying to educate him on this stream of science was unbelievable frustrating. I gave up after a few months.
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Shhhhh....
You guys will wake up my friend trueskeptic. Considering the comments of some recent posters I even miss TrueIslam.
"Evolution is a religion" is the last ditch effort of cult thought-reform. It's like a Moonie whispering "Satan, Satan, Satan," to squelch the "bad thoughts." Look at Jent's last post, they only learn to parrot back the buzzwords of debate. Her last sentence "wishful thinking doesn't make it so," simply approaches the unreal in regard to all she wrote. It's not about discovering the truth for them, it's about winning and keeping the sheep in the flock.
The majority of US Christians understands the facts of evolution. Even my bible reading father-in-law living in a former communist country once told me when I noticed and I asked him why he always watches the Discovery channels on satellite, "because they don't lie to me." Interestingly, the Muslims whom I've talked about it with accept it too. Of course, they were mostly engineers, so perhaps that's a reason why. 
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cynicwithhope
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2002 5:32 pm Post subject: Trueskeptic |
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| Mark T, did Trueskeptic ever post anything again after you "exposed" him ? What was he trying to say with that serial killer thread anyway, you can't have morals without religion ? |
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MarkT
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2002 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Dear cynicwithhope,
I thought Ham, human, mauad80, just_me etc. debated with TS better than I did. I especially liked [url=http://host22.hrwebservices.net/~faithfr/FFI/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=437&highlight=#437]
Ali’s response[/url] to one of his posts. Incredibly, I didn’t even know what adhominem arguments (and all the others like non sequiturs) were until I read Ali’s post and started reading up on it. I guess I kind of sensed that something was wrong with those kind of statements when I re-read my post above Ali’s in that thread.
So I’ve learned much from TS. Thanks TS!
Hey I like your moniker cynicwithhope, I hope TS was only being sarcastic with the name change in his [url=http://host22.hrwebservices.net/~faithfr/FFI/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=936&highlight=#936]
last post …[/url]
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cynicwithhope
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| Dear Mark T, sorry for not responding sooner, the post of yours I was thinking of was the one where you spoke of people who enter forums "in disguise" and think of themselves as "secret agents". I think you used Trueskeptic as an example and called him a cretin ( jokingly I assume ). After that I don't remember ever seeing another post of his again. I avoided his serial killer challenge thread myself, it struck me as a moral dilemma where the author is trying to steer you into giving the answer he or she wants to hear, I thought the subject was unrealistic anyway. As bad as serial killers are, I think religious serial mass murder is worse. As for my moniker, it was almost "hopelesscynic" but I thought that might sound a bit too negative. Regards, CWH. |
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Robert
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Theory of relativity is a religion, believing that earth is shaped rather like a sphere than like a flat slice is a religion, believing that reality exists is a religion - everything is just a religion.  |
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perfanalyst
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The Divine Prophet
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Everything is a paradigm of our understanding, there is no absolute truth to anything. That is why people will always have different opinions on any given subject.
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2002 10:40 am Post subject: DP is turning around.. |
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| Quote: | | "Divine Prophet: Everything is a paradigm of our understanding; there is no absolute truth to anything. That is why people will always have different opinions on any given subject." |
Hello DP, what is going on ""Everything is a paradigm of our understanding, there is no absolute truth to anything.
Do you think, "there is there is no absolute truth" in Mohammed's preaching? YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THE 1500 YEAR OLD CHIT-CHAT that took place between Allaha and Mohammed??
with best regards
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The Divine Prophet
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| Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2002 10:49 pm Post subject: DP is turning around.. |
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| yeezevee wrote: |
| Quote: | | "Divine Prophet: Everything is a paradigm of our understanding; there is no absolute truth to anything. That is why people will always have different opinions on any given subject." |
Hello DP, what is going on ""Everything is a paradigm of our understanding, there is no absolute truth to anything.
Do you think, "there is there is no absolute truth" in Mohammed's preaching? YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THE 1500 YEAR OLD CHIT-CHAT that took place between Allaha and Mohammed??
with best regards
yeezevee
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To your comprehension it may just be an old chit-chat in the deep recesses of Muhammed's mind, to us believers, it is a dialogue of divine proportions that prepared the world for the greatest proto-socialist uprising. As such, both may be true and false at the same time!
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just_me
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2002 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The Divine Prophet wrote: |
Everything is a paradigm of our understanding, there is no absolute truth to anything. That is why people will always have different opinions on any given subject.
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Go to the top of a very tall building and jump off. The absolute truth is that you will go splat at the bottom. No understanding needed. |
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just_me
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2002 9:37 pm Post subject: DP is turning around.. |
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| The Divine Prophet wrote: |
| yeezevee wrote: |
| Quote: | | "Divine Prophet: Everything is a paradigm of our understanding; there is no absolute truth to anything. That is why people will always have different opinions on any given subject." |
Hello DP, what is going on ""Everything is a paradigm of our understanding, there is no absolute truth to anything.
Do you think, "there is there is no absolute truth" in Mohammed's preaching? YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THE 1500 YEAR OLD CHIT-CHAT that took place between Allaha and Mohammed??
with best regards
yeezevee
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To your comprehension it may just be an old chit-chat in the deep recesses of Muhammed's mind, to us believers, it is a dialogue of divine proportions that prepared the world for the greatest proto-socialist uprising. As such, both may be true and false at the same time!
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So you consider the ramblings of a baby raper and his invisible friend divine? |
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